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- Hello and welcome
to 3ABN Today. My name
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is John Lomacang.
Thank you for taking the time
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to tune in. If you are
part of our 3ABN family,
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you already know
my name. But if you're
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just tuning in for the
first time, remember this
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network- one we
believe is ordained by God to
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carry three angels'
messages-an undiluted
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message to the
world to get the world and
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God's people ready for
His soon return. Today,
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we have a very interesting
program. Now, we live in
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a day and age where
health is a tremendous
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issue, and some
individuals are slaves
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to the practices and
habits of their lives
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that sometimes seem
irreversible. Well today,
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our program and
our guests are going to
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talk about how
nature, how natural remedies,
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how things that we have
sometimes often forgotten
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about can make a
difference in enhancing
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our health and
maybe sometimes reversing
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things that we
thought were not reversible.
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And so, stay tuned
for a very informative and
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exciting program about
health and how our lives
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can be enhanced. We
also want to thank you for
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your prayers and your
financial support of this
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network as we believe
we're going and growing,
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getting ready for
the coming of our Lord.
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We're going to go
right into our program today.
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We're talking
about Black Hills Health
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and Education Center,
located in the beautiful
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hills of South
Dakota. Our guests today-
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we're going to have a
total of six guests on
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our program, but we're
going to meet the first
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three right now.
First of all, good to have
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you here, Sylvia.
For our audience, those
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watching and listening
to the program, tell us
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who you are,
where you're from, and
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briefly, what you
do right now. - My name
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is Sylvia Malott Small.
I'm from the Black Hills
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of South Dakota, and
currently, I'm president
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of the Black Hills Health
and Education Center. It's
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a place where God
put me, and a wonderful
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place to be. -
Wonderful; good to have you here
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today. And our guest
in the middle, I know
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you very well. Al,
good to see you again. - You
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too, John. - Yeah,
I remember when you
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were at Broadview
Academy. So good to
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have you here
today. Al Trace- I'll just
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say that because we
go back a ways; but tell
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us what you do at
Black Hills and what
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capacity you serve
there right now. - I'm
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the director of
the School of Massage
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Therapy at Black
Hills. We are actually the
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only Christian
massage school in the country.
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We're excited about
that. - Okay! Well, I'll be
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coming to see you.
- Good. - Good to have
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you here today. And
Dr. John Kelly, so good
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to have you here
today. You've been to 3ABN
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before; but for
those who have not met you
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before, tell us
what you do right now and
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what capacity you are
at Black Hills. - Thank
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you. Yes, I'm John
Kelly; I work at the Black Hills
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in doing lifestyle
medicine training and
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also researching some
of the outcomes of the
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patients. So, my
work has grown to where I
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work with other
centers, as well, just recently
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at Weimar. So, I'm doing
lifestyle medicine training.
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- Good. Good to
have you all here today.
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You know, when we
think about health, right now
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one of the crises in America
(and I think in many parts
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of the world) is
health. Healthcare costs are
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continuing to skyrocket.
Pharmaceutical drugs...
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That's an industry
that's just multiple
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billion dollar industry-
maybe trillions if you think
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on a worldwide
scale. But Black Hills has
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taken a spot in the
work that God has ordained
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them to do. So, I want
to begin with you, Sylvia,
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president of the Black
Hills Health and Education
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Center. Give us
some background on Black
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Hills. Tell us a little
bit about the center and how
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long it's been
there and what capacities
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and what functions it
has. - Well, it's interesting
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you said "a spot." God
has given us a beautiful
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spot in Black
Hills. More than 40 years
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ago, some of our
founders found out firsthand how
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lifestyle medicine
could change through a family
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member of theirs who
had very severe health
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problems. She's
still alive today, but she
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went to, then,
existing healthcare lifestyle
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center. They felt
a burden that they
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wanted to open and
make such a center available
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in Mid-America
and South Dakota area.
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They found this 260
acres- beautiful-it's in the
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canyon, and so the
road dead-ends where
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the center is in this
canyon. It starts wide
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and it goes narrower.
We have a year-round creek
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called Battle Creek,
of all things, that runs
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through it. It's just
an absolutely gorgeous,
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peaceful place with
the birds and animals. It's
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a wonderful location
to come and recover in
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God's nature. And
for 40 years, the center
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has been doing lifestyle
medicine, live-in programs
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where people come and
they spend approximately
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3 weeks there for the
full program where they're
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changing their habits
and learning how to live
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according to the
eight natural laws that's
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found in the Bible:
proper diet and exercise
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and air and water and
all of that. So, we're
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just privileged to have
this most beautiful location
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and have been there
all these years, and we're
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just looking forward
to, as we're expanding our
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programs and we've
got these great plans of
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things, how we're
going to continue by God's
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grace and with His
blessings, continue
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to grow and be able
to minister to people to
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help them improve
their lives, and in doing so,
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also learn about
the God who created them
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and loves them a lot
so they can have eternal
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life. - I went to
Black Hills- my wife and I
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went there. I was invited,
actually, not to be a part
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of the program, but
I was invited to do a
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Week of Prayer, some
spiritual talks, every
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day. But while being
there, I benefited from
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really, really good
food. I didn't think
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food could taste so
good when you take away all
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the paraphernalia that
we add to it. You know,
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a lot of the time, we
eat salad, but there's
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so many things on top
of the salad. I was asking
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so many questions.
"Well, where is this?" You said,
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"Oh, no-we don't have
that, but use this instead."
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And I thought,
"Salad? Where are all my extra
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external dressings that
I pour on it?" And after
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about one day, I
thought, "Wow, that cucumber
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tastes like a cucumber!
That carrot tastes like a
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carrot!" And a lot of
times, people live their
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lives and they don't
actually focus on healthy
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eating. A lot of
things that we are suffering
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with can be remedied
and well on our way to
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maybe lowering our
blood pressure or dealing with
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cholesterol...some
of the things that are
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lifestyle-related.
And Dr. Kelly, we'll talk
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about that a little
bit more. But I appreciate
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Black Hills. Every
morning we woke up, one thing we
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were assured of:
nice, crisp air, clean, blue
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skies, and instead of
driving from our lodge
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to the center, we
walked. And every day, we felt
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good. After about
four days, my wife and I
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said, "You know, maybe
we ought to come up here
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and do this
program. We could- doing the
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wades, and they took
us on the long afternoon
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walks. Beautiful,
beautiful center. Those of you
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watching, listening
to the program, we'll
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give you information
at the end on how you
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can participate and
maybe find out how to
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get to be a part of the
Black Hills Center. Thank
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you for laying
that foundation. So, you
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have people- Al,
you've been there now for not
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too long, but tell us
about this. You introduced
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a moment ago Christian
Massage Center. Tell us
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more about that. - Well,
the massage school actually
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started back in the 1990s
before licensure was required.
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Then in 2007, the state
of South Dakota required
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state licensure if
you were going to teach
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an accredited
program- certificated program.
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So, in 2007, the
program started as a licensed
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program. And since
then, we've had a number of
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students. It's really
challenging today; there
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are a lot of Christians-
and in our case, we have
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a lot of Adventist
Christians coming through
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the program-that can
find a place to study without
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getting into the all
of the Eastern modalities.
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Most schools
today teach energy work,
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which we don't. We try
to be more evidence-based.
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We've just been
really blessed. Every class
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becomes a blessing to
us. Yeah. We've got a special
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program starting in
the next few months, and
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we normally
average anywhere from 6 to
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10 students, which
is a good number for us.
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- So, you're
teaching them to do... - We're
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teaching them. And then
they are eligible to get
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state licensure in
whatever state they're
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living in by taking the
national exam. - Wonderful.
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- And at this point
in time, we have over a
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99% pass-rate on the
national exam since the
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school started, which
is exciting. - You know,
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I remember years ago-
my wife and I, what we
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do is when we travel,
sometimes we take long
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flights. 14 hours- I
remember going to Australia
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once, and we were
in the very back of the
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in United Airlines,
and we vowed never to sit
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all the way in the back
where the tail is continually
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bumping. And the
first question they asked us
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when we landed, they
said, "What would you
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like to do first?"
We said, "Could you take
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us to the mall? We
need a massage." Many
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people don't realize
the therapeutic nature
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of a massage. But to
learn it the way that you talked
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about-I like the
fact that you talked
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about you don't get
into the Eastern modalities-
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you're not getting into
all the discussions that
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sometimes intend to
lean on New Age ideology
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but just to healing
of the body. - There
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are a lot of challenges
besides therapists today.
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It's becoming just
heavily involved-the Eastern
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modalities are becoming
heavily involved in massage
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therapy. And so, we
speak to the students
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a lot about that.
You've really got to be firm,
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you've got to understand
what you believe, understand
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what is the
appropriate modalities to use...
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There are a number
of modalities that are
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very heavily involved
in mysticism and Eastern
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techniques. - Wow. -
And so, yeah. It's great.
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The first week of
the program, we have a
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week-long biblical response
therapy training for our
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students, which they
all love. It sets the
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tone for the
program. We get a number of
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students every year
and at every session that
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found us on the web.
- Okay. - And I said,
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"How did you find us?"
"We just googled Christian
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massage school." - Okay,
wonderful. - And it's pretty
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exciting that we've
got some coming this next
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year from Ohio, Maryland,
California-from all over
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the country,
basically. - Wow, wonderful. You
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know, just before I get
to Dr. John Kelly, I want
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to show a couple of
pictures, because we've
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bragged about how
beautiful it is in
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Black Hills that I
think people should be able
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to see-those who
are watching-should be
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get at least a
glimpse of what it looks like
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in the Black Hills.
We'll walk through a couple
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of pictures, then tell
us what we're watching.
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- Well, this is just
the natural beauty around
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us, and then
we're going to see. The
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next one will be the
lifestyle center. This
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is our lifestyle
center building...another view
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from it during summertime.
- Wow. - That's what it's
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like most of the time;
although, we do occasionally
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get some white stuff.
This is employee housing
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and then student
housing and guest housing-
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non-lifestyle guest
housing. But it's to
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say, it does sometimes
be winter. This is- that's
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the Battle Creek I was
talking about. It's a year-round
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creek. This is just our
beautiful valley and our
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beautiful Battle
Creek. The hikes you can take
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and everything are
superb. I do believe that is one
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of God's ways of healing
is getting out in the fresh
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air and experiencing
the calm peacefulness
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of nature. At
night, you can open your
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window and you can hear
the creek 'cause there's
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no other sounds. I mean,
it just really is an escape
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from the world to
come and rest and recover
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your spirit as well as
your body. - As a young
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man raised in New York
City, I understand exactly
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what you mean. When
we open the window in New
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York, we hear cars
and tires screeching and
00:12:44.49\00:12:47.43
any number of
sounds- music and all. But my
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wife and I now live
out here where we open the
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door of- if we hear sounds
at night, we know it's got
00:12:52.57\00:12:54.30
to be the raccoon going
for the bird food. - Right.
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- There's always
some kind of- maybe the
00:12:57.21\00:12:58.64
possum eating out of
the pan, or the groundhog
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comes up during the
day and looks in the
00:13:01.31\00:13:02.64
window while we're
there and say, "Did you forget
00:13:02.68\00:13:04.15
to put my food out
today?" And so, nature
00:13:04.25\00:13:06.35
is a beautiful
healing method, and God has
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really wrapped
Black Hills in a wonderful
00:13:08.65\00:13:10.92
setting, which really
is good for people that
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need medical help...which
is a good segue to Dr.
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Kelly. Dr. Kelly, good
to have you here. - Good
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to be with you. -
Remind us- actually, walk us
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down some of the
things that you participate in
00:13:22.93\00:13:25.30
at the Black Hills
Health and Education Center.
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- Sure. But before
I- let me just say one
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thing. Having been
the medical director there
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for a couple of
years, it's so good to have
00:13:32.34\00:13:35.18
the massage
students there. They're there
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for about six months,
and they are good Christian
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young people,
although we have some mature
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students now, and it's
such a wonderful influence
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on the campus. It
really does add an element
00:13:46.52\00:13:50.89
that makes it fun to
be there. But anyway,
00:13:50.96\00:13:52.89
to your question-
so, when the Lord brought
00:13:52.96\00:13:58.53
me and my wife
there to Black Hills about
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three-and-a-half
years ago, there was a need
00:14:01.47\00:14:03.81
for a physician, and
there had been a really
00:14:03.91\00:14:08.48
robust program; but
through some change in
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personnel, we had to
sort of rebuild. It was
00:14:12.58\00:14:16.58
a real blessing to
me and to my wife. She
00:14:16.65\00:14:19.85
actually does the
accounting on campus.
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We began by establishing
a program that was built
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around an accredited
curriculum so that we
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were able to offer
training for physicians.
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So, I was involved
in starting the American
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College of
Lifestyle Medicine years ago,
00:14:40.31\00:14:42.14
and that has
really grown tremendously;
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there's about 2,500 or
so members now. The thing
00:14:44.91\00:14:48.95
that the physicians
who want to practice these
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lifestyle change approaches
to treatment, the problem
00:14:51.89\00:14:56.02
is that there's no training;
they don't know. You have
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to figure this out
on your own, and many
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doctors have done that-
and nurses. But the demand
00:15:03.37\00:15:06.63
has been growing, and
now we have practically
00:15:06.70\00:15:10.21
every- well, actually, every
program that I work with now at
00:15:10.31\00:15:13.01
Black Hills, we have physicians
or physician assistants or
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some medical professional
involved there to get training.
00:15:17.18\00:15:20.72
So, the focus that
has grown- when I first
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came, it was building
the program using credible
00:15:25.85\00:15:28.92
curriculum. Now, it's
actually training physicians
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and other professionals.
There at Black Hills, already,
00:15:31.99\00:15:36.00
I believe, we've
trained somewhere above a dozen;
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I don't know the exact
number - 12-15 physicians.
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The thing that I
see happening- you know,
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Sylvia mentioned that
we started 40 years or
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so ago. You know, I'm considered
privileged. I knew Dr. Beltz,
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who was one of the
founders; he was the
00:15:53.21\00:15:55.12
main physician in
the program back then. A
00:15:55.18\00:15:58.05
real- talk about high
energy. You know, bless
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your heart. You
have high energy, but Dr.
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Beltz makes us all
look kind of feeble. He was
00:16:02.69\00:16:05.13
very high-energy. But
in that 40 years, things
00:16:05.19\00:16:09.26
have changed, and now...
Actually, it's a good thing
00:16:09.33\00:16:12.80
that physicians in
their practices are wanting
00:16:12.87\00:16:15.60
to help their patients
make lifestyle changes:
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to change their diet,
to leave off the foods
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that are harmful, and
so on. I mean, we know,
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for example, that
the way we eat has more
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effect on our gene
switches turning on
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the healthy genes,
if you will, and turning
00:16:28.78\00:16:30.82
off the unhealthy ones,
than anything that science
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has discovered. I
mean, there's a whole field
00:16:33.39\00:16:35.56
called nutrigenomics
built around the idea
00:16:35.62\00:16:38.19
that a specific
nutrient can be discovered that
00:16:38.26\00:16:42.00
switches on or off a
certain type of disease
00:16:42.10\00:16:44.93
genes. This is a
very complex science, but
00:16:45.03\00:16:49.50
the point I'm making is
simply that how we live,
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we now know,
affects our gene switches.
00:16:52.47\00:16:54.91
It adds a depth
of significance. It's
00:16:54.98\00:17:00.02
way more than just
trying to lose some
00:17:00.08\00:17:01.58
weight or trying
to clear up our blood
00:17:01.65\00:17:05.25
vessels. Actually,
we can change the gene
00:17:05.35\00:17:08.46
switches and dramatically
change ourselves and our
00:17:08.56\00:17:12.43
body. So, that
science has convinced and is
00:17:12.49\00:17:16.06
convincing regular physicians
that, "Yes, this is science-
00:17:16.16\00:17:21.24
based. I need to
learn it." But where? Where
00:17:21.30\00:17:24.41
do they learn it?
So I'm excited that I
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also had the privilege
of being the lead author
00:17:27.14\00:17:29.71
of the board review
course for physicians
00:17:29.81\00:17:32.78
who can take
their boards; just like
00:17:32.85\00:17:35.78
taking the massage
school board, you take a board
00:17:35.85\00:17:38.12
in lifestyle
medicine. So, that's really the
00:17:38.25\00:17:40.86
main thing that I work
on, and the Lord opened
00:17:40.96\00:17:43.36
that door since
I've been there at Black
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Hills. - You know, the
amazing thing about that-
00:17:46.59\00:17:48.26
I'm listening to the
switches point. That's
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why, a lot of times,
we program our bodies
00:17:50.87\00:17:53.20
to expect certain
things. I know the first time-
00:17:53.23\00:17:56.47
and I've seen
somebody do this once. A little
00:17:56.57\00:17:58.97
baby... A parent put
a little olive, like, a
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little green olive
on their tongue, and the
00:18:04.15\00:18:05.78
baby's head
almost shrunk to half the
00:18:05.81\00:18:07.15
size. 'Cause it was
so sour, they went...
00:18:07.18\00:18:09.62
But I would say
that introduction was so
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sour, the baby
hadn't had any database of
00:18:14.62\00:18:17.76
that taste before, and
it just really shocked the
00:18:17.83\00:18:20.53
child. And sugar
could do the same thing, and
00:18:20.60\00:18:24.20
the body starts to
chronicle all these
00:18:24.27\00:18:26.03
tastes, and you're
turning certain switches
00:18:26.10\00:18:28.77
on and certain
switches off. And then all of a
00:18:28.87\00:18:31.01
sudden, you build
this taste expectation that
00:18:31.07\00:18:33.24
your body's now
longing for and expecting and
00:18:33.38\00:18:35.84
craving. So then what I'm
hearing you say is, we could
00:18:35.94\00:18:40.02
retrain our bodies by
resetting those switches
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and turning on the
right switches. Am I kind of
00:18:43.49\00:18:45.79
going along the same
path? - No, no-exactly.
00:18:45.89\00:18:47.69
Actually, there are
two dimensions to it. There
00:18:47.72\00:18:50.43
is that taste that
we develop for certain
00:18:50.46\00:18:53.03
things; but then
there's another aspect, and that
00:18:53.13\00:18:55.90
is depending on
what our regular diet is
00:18:55.96\00:18:59.03
affects the switches.
So, it's not the one-time
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taste, but it's the
habitual... - Retraining.
00:19:03.24\00:19:06.24
- Yes. But it's a
very similar kind of thing.
00:19:06.31\00:19:08.48
Well, actually, you
know, we do have the ability
00:19:08.58\00:19:11.91
to- our taste buds've been
shown with biochemistry, with
00:19:11.95\00:19:16.18
science, that they change
in response to the choices
00:19:16.25\00:19:19.82
I make in my food.
So, if I decide I want to
00:19:19.89\00:19:21.99
go ahead and eat that
sour olive, I will develop
00:19:22.06\00:19:25.33
a taste for these green
olives. If I decide I want
00:19:25.39\00:19:29.83
to eat candy bars, I
will develop a taste,
00:19:29.86\00:19:32.40
and that's what
you're driving- you get this
00:19:32.47\00:19:34.04
habitual desire. I tell
people, "You do not just
00:19:34.10\00:19:39.21
inherit genes from
your parents; you inherit
00:19:39.27\00:19:42.41
recipes."
[laughter] - That's a good one.
00:19:42.48\00:19:45.85
Yeah. Your body is,
in some sense... What's
00:19:46.58\00:19:50.45
the phrase that's
used? Hereditary? - Yes.
00:19:50.52\00:19:52.55
- Hereditary things
are often communicated that
00:19:52.65\00:19:55.52
if you practice,
it becomes cultivated.
00:19:55.62\00:19:57.69
- Correct. We think
that we inherit, for
00:19:57.76\00:20:00.06
example, a taste for
meat; but in reality,
00:20:00.10\00:20:03.97
there's a lot of
cultivation to that,
00:20:04.03\00:20:06.43
and we can change that
choice. - Mm. And even-
00:20:06.50\00:20:09.77
I'm learning that even
certain smells, like if
00:20:09.84\00:20:12.91
somebody is cooking
certain things, it'll
00:20:13.01\00:20:14.61
bring out an expectation,
because you smell something
00:20:14.71\00:20:17.88
that you could associate
taste with, and it just-
00:20:17.95\00:20:21.35
you know, the
taste buds- and it starts
00:20:21.42\00:20:22.85
watering, you say,
"It's almost lunchtime,"
00:20:22.92\00:20:25.22
or, "I hope it's
almost lunchtime." But I was
00:20:25.29\00:20:27.52
there at the Black
Hills, and I really appreciated-
00:20:27.59\00:20:29.76
we're going to talk about
this in the second half of
00:20:29.82\00:20:31.63
the program-the diet,
the food; all those things
00:20:31.69\00:20:34.13
that really are significantly
part of the program, of all
00:20:34.20\00:20:37.10
the curriculum that
you offer, the massage,
00:20:37.20\00:20:40.30
retuning the body-
and I tell you, Al-
00:20:40.37\00:20:43.51
very few people understand
the importance of a body in
00:20:43.57\00:20:47.84
tune. My wife and I,
we can tell. When we've
00:20:47.91\00:20:50.45
driven too long, we can
tell we gotta get ourselves
00:20:50.51\00:20:54.22
adjusted, go to a good
chiropractor...and then,
00:20:54.32\00:20:57.09
food! When we went to
the Black Hills, one thing
00:20:57.19\00:20:59.92
we noticed after
about three days-and I think
00:20:59.99\00:21:02.39
it's the food-we were
less tired. We went to
00:21:02.46\00:21:05.99
bed earlier, we walked
in the morning, we breathed
00:21:06.09\00:21:10.60
clean air, and we
were less tired. I thought,
00:21:10.67\00:21:14.44
"Why am I so tired
when I go back home?" And I
00:21:14.47\00:21:17.34
realized, it's not activity;
sometimes, it's environment
00:21:17.41\00:21:19.87
and the things we put
in our bodies. What else
00:21:19.94\00:21:22.48
do you want to add to
that? - I just want to
00:21:22.54\00:21:23.98
add to it- Dr.
Kelly said- 'cause it's
00:21:24.08\00:21:25.71
such an incredible
point. We're told, "You should
00:21:25.78\00:21:28.05
know the truth and the
truth shall set you free."
00:21:28.12\00:21:29.88
We are not slaves
to our genetics! People
00:21:29.98\00:21:33.22
say, "I was born
this way. I was born with
00:21:33.32\00:21:36.36
propensity towards
heart disease," or obesity or
00:21:36.42\00:21:39.59
anything else. And
what Dr. Kelly expresses in
00:21:39.69\00:21:41.96
his lectures-I
loved his lecture-was that
00:21:42.06\00:21:44.53
we can change
those switches. We might
00:21:44.63\00:21:47.27
have that DNA, but
how- and it's not just food.
00:21:47.34\00:21:50.41
It is your whole lifestyle.
I mean, the way that you
00:21:50.47\00:21:53.17
stress or don't
stress- all components of it.
00:21:53.24\00:21:55.54
That's why you can't
just dwell on the food,
00:21:55.61\00:21:57.45
but all components of
it. And what Dr. Kelly
00:21:57.51\00:21:59.51
did when we started
off our session-one of the
00:21:59.58\00:22:01.75
last sessions-and the
guests were amazed, because they
00:22:01.82\00:22:05.49
thought they were condemned
to be like their parents and
00:22:05.59\00:22:08.06
grandparents and to
be told that you have the
00:22:08.16\00:22:10.36
freedom through your
lifestyle choices. Our
00:22:10.46\00:22:13.09
God is a god of
freedom. You have the freedom
00:22:13.19\00:22:15.20
through your
lifestyle choices that you can
00:22:15.26\00:22:17.37
change not your genetics,
maybe, but the switches
00:22:17.43\00:22:20.40
on your genetics
that you do not have to be
00:22:20.47\00:22:22.80
condemned to live
the life of your parents
00:22:22.87\00:22:24.64
and your grandparents
if there's health issues.
00:22:24.74\00:22:26.41
- Anything else you want
to add to that, Dr. Kelly?
00:22:26.51\00:22:28.38
- No, I- well, I will
say this: that we bring
00:22:28.48\00:22:32.11
that point out in the
beginning of the program,
00:22:32.21\00:22:34.58
because as Sylvia
was just saying, it's
00:22:34.68\00:22:36.99
transformational information
the guest realize the potential,
00:22:37.05\00:22:42.69
and we want them to
grasp the potential as
00:22:42.76\00:22:45.23
early in the program
as possible so they get
00:22:45.33\00:22:47.70
as much benefit as
possible. But it is
00:22:47.76\00:22:51.10
amazing. I mean, I give
that talk literally around
00:22:51.17\00:22:54.57
the world on the epigenetics
and lifestyle medicine. It is
00:22:54.64\00:22:59.84
transformational. People
have a completely different
00:22:59.94\00:23:02.34
understanding of making
healthy lifestyle change
00:23:02.44\00:23:05.81
when you realize
it's changing my genes,
00:23:05.91\00:23:08.92
which is I'm
turning genes on and off by
00:23:09.05\00:23:11.12
my choice. You
know, Dr. Randy Jirtle was
00:23:11.19\00:23:15.49
the one that
first published research
00:23:15.59\00:23:18.13
on this from
Duke University, and I
00:23:18.19\00:23:20.26
love one of the statements
he made about this. He
00:23:20.36\00:23:22.70
says, "Epigenetics
is proving that we have
00:23:22.76\00:23:25.43
some responsibility
for our genome and
00:23:25.50\00:23:28.57
it introduces the
understanding of free
00:23:28.67\00:23:31.37
will into
genetics, which for 20 or 30
00:23:31.44\00:23:35.71
years, the dogma
was, "Well, you can't pick
00:23:35.81\00:23:38.15
your parents."
Well, you can't pick your
00:23:38.28\00:23:40.42
parents, but you can
choose your lifestyle.
00:23:40.52\00:23:43.25
You don't have to
eat the same recipes that
00:23:43.32\00:23:45.19
Mom... If they're not
healthy, we can change
00:23:45.25\00:23:48.86
them. - So, it's not
necessarily- we're not
00:23:48.92\00:23:50.99
predisposed and preprogrammed
to fail, to be out of shape,
00:23:51.06\00:23:56.30
to be overweight...
In many cases, some
00:23:56.36\00:23:59.43
of those things
may be hereditary,
00:23:59.50\00:24:01.44
but it doesn't say
you have no choice...and
00:24:01.54\00:24:03.84
that's what I'm hearing.
- That's right. - You DO
00:24:03.91\00:24:05.24
have a choice. -
John, I don't want to be
00:24:05.27\00:24:06.81
personal here, but my
own experience was about
00:24:06.88\00:24:09.84
15 years ago; I had a
quadruple bypass surgery,
00:24:09.94\00:24:13.11
and I had to make major
changes. I was 80 pounds
00:24:13.21\00:24:16.52
heavier. And what John
is saying, I had to make
00:24:16.58\00:24:19.59
some serious decisions;
and by God's grace, I'm
00:24:19.65\00:24:22.62
still kicking...you
know? And that's, to me, what's
00:24:22.72\00:24:25.56
the blessing about
the kind of program that
00:24:25.66\00:24:27.40
we offer. - That's
right. - Changes can be made.
00:24:27.46\00:24:29.56
Not easy... - But
it can be made. - And
00:24:30.47\00:24:33.60
the results are
pretty amazing. - Wonderful,
00:24:33.67\00:24:35.30
wonderful. You
know, when we talk about
00:24:35.37\00:24:37.87
Black Hills Health and
Education Center, there
00:24:37.97\00:24:40.91
are a number of
other components to it that
00:24:41.01\00:24:43.48
we're going to
talk about in the second
00:24:43.55\00:24:44.88
half of our program. I
think a wonderful time-
00:24:44.91\00:24:47.78
we're thinking about
what you contribute...
00:24:47.92\00:24:50.15
But as we talk
about this health center,
00:24:50.25\00:24:53.62
this educational lifestyle
center, it's Christian-based,
00:24:53.72\00:24:57.19
and it's able to be
Christian-based because
00:24:57.26\00:24:59.66
of the tribute that
the Lord has made in each
00:24:59.76\00:25:02.30
one of our lives. Christianity
is not something that's just
00:25:02.40\00:25:05.23
theological, but
it's also practical; it's
00:25:05.30\00:25:07.84
educational; it's
based on your health. It's a
00:25:07.90\00:25:10.51
total lifestyle, and
so many people today-
00:25:10.57\00:25:13.58
there's science to
Christianity; and when
00:25:13.64\00:25:16.24
you think about that,
I can't think of a better
00:25:16.34\00:25:18.51
song to segue to the
second half. This song,
00:25:18.61\00:25:21.32
"My Tribute." How can
I say thanks? And right
00:25:21.38\00:25:24.75
after this song, we're
going to transition into
00:25:24.82\00:25:26.45
some other components of
the Black Hills lifestyle- well,
00:25:26.55\00:25:31.29
Health and Education Center.
00:25:31.36\00:25:33.70
- Thank you for
that wonderful song, "My
00:29:28.70\00:29:30.70
Tribute"-Sam Ocampo.
He really has a connection
00:29:30.77\00:29:34.30
to that piano. And
as I segued into that
00:29:34.40\00:29:36.81
particular song, the
tribute that the Lord
00:29:36.87\00:29:39.74
has made in our
lives has enabled each of
00:29:39.77\00:29:43.04
you to participate in,
now, your contributions
00:29:43.14\00:29:46.41
to those who come to
the Black Hills Health
00:29:46.51\00:29:48.72
and Education
Center. If you glance at all,
00:29:48.82\00:29:51.45
you might notice that
there are some different
00:29:51.52\00:29:52.85
people that are here,
and I'd like to introduce
00:29:52.89\00:29:54.92
them at this time. By
the way, Sylvia is the
00:29:54.99\00:29:58.79
president of the Black
Hills Health and Education
00:29:58.89\00:30:00.86
Center. Good to have
you back on the second
00:30:00.96\00:30:02.36
half of the
program. - Thank you. - But
00:30:02.43\00:30:04.20
the lady to your right,
I'll allow you to introduce
00:30:04.27\00:30:06.00
yourself. Tell us
who you are, where you're
00:30:06.03\00:30:07.57
from, and, in a
nutshell, what you do right now.
00:30:07.60\00:30:09.70
- Okay. I am Janice
Grote, and I live in Missouri,
00:30:09.77\00:30:13.51
but I've had the opportunity
and privilege to come and
00:30:13.58\00:30:17.31
work as a nurse several
times up at the Black Hills.
00:30:17.35\00:30:20.48
I feel blessed and
privileged each time
00:30:20.55\00:30:23.79
I come, so I hope to
come up there and work
00:30:23.85\00:30:26.72
for several months in
a row, now, instead of
00:30:26.79\00:30:29.09
one-month segments.
- She will be. - Okay.
00:30:29.12\00:30:31.29
The weather and the
beautiful atmosphere
00:30:31.36\00:30:33.50
and setting is
getting to you; it's kind of
00:30:33.53\00:30:34.96
drawing you. - It really
does, yes, and the people
00:30:35.06\00:30:38.13
and the guests- watching
them make their improvements,
00:30:38.20\00:30:40.64
it's wonderful. -
And your name? - Jan. Jan
00:30:40.74\00:30:44.37
Grote. - Janice
Grote. Good to have you here.
00:30:44.44\00:30:46.14
- Thank you. - And I
may comment about the
00:30:46.17\00:30:48.44
young lady sitting next
to you, but I'll allow you
00:30:48.51\00:30:50.98
to introduce yourself
and tell us what capacity
00:30:51.05\00:30:52.78
you are at the Black
Hills Health and Education
00:30:52.88\00:30:55.08
Center. - Okay. I'm
Kezzia, and I live in
00:30:55.15\00:30:59.75
South Dakota. I
actually work in the kitchen. I
00:30:59.82\00:31:03.66
pretty much am running
it at this point. - Wow.
00:31:03.73\00:31:06.03
- So, all the cooking
and everything involved.
00:31:06.09\00:31:09.16
- And I heard that as
quickly as you summarized
00:31:09.26\00:31:13.44
that, there's a whole
lot more involved. We're
00:31:13.54\00:31:15.44
going to get that out
of you in just a moment,
00:31:15.54\00:31:17.01
because I've been to
Black Hills before, and
00:31:17.11\00:31:18.97
I know that one of
the staples of that health
00:31:19.04\00:31:21.71
and education center
is food. It's not just
00:31:21.81\00:31:25.31
salads-and Sylvia
reminded me. - No.
00:31:25.45\00:31:28.08
[laughter] - It's
not just salads. It's a
00:31:28.18\00:31:29.98
beautiful
culinary- we're going to find
00:31:30.05\00:31:32.59
out what you do to
make the guests keep wanting
00:31:32.65\00:31:34.62
to come back. To my far
right is Barbara Savage.
00:31:34.69\00:31:39.23
I was trying to fix
it up and make it French
00:31:39.29\00:31:40.93
like, "Suh-VAUJ," but
it's 'savage.' Good to
00:31:41.00\00:31:43.03
have you here,
Barbara. - Thank you; good to be
00:31:43.10\00:31:44.43
here. - And tell us
your capacity at Black
00:31:44.47\00:31:46.13
Hills. - I do the
massage and hydrotherapy for the
00:31:46.20\00:31:49.24
women, and wherever else
I need to fill in. - Okay!
00:31:49.30\00:31:55.54
Wonderful, wonderful.
I'm glad to have you all
00:31:55.61\00:31:57.91
in the second half of
the program. Black Hills
00:31:58.01\00:32:00.02
is really gaining ascendency?
in the minds of those who
00:32:00.12\00:32:04.09
attend there,
because we have a number of
00:32:04.12\00:32:05.59
educational and
health centers around the
00:32:05.65\00:32:07.89
nation...but there's
something about Black
00:32:07.96\00:32:10.09
Hills, not leaving
the others out, because
00:32:10.16\00:32:11.83
each one has his
own staple and its own
00:32:11.89\00:32:13.50
specialty. But somehow,
people like the mountains,
00:32:13.60\00:32:16.56
they like the clean
air, they like the history,
00:32:16.63\00:32:19.20
they like the
valley... And what do you think
00:32:19.27\00:32:22.50
about all those aesthetics
that surrounds you? Just
00:32:22.57\00:32:25.81
a gorgeous garden
out there. - Well, nature
00:32:25.91\00:32:28.51
is God's second book,
and we are a ministry.
00:32:28.58\00:32:31.91
We're a self-supporting
ministry, and the people
00:32:31.98\00:32:33.72
who work here, I
consider them missionaries-our
00:32:33.82\00:32:36.99
missionary pay.
But we're there because
00:32:37.05\00:32:39.99
we have a burden
for people and we want
00:32:40.06\00:32:43.12
them to live a full,
rich life here in this
00:32:43.19\00:32:46.90
life; but more importantly,
we want them to have
00:32:46.96\00:32:48.76
eternal life where
they're going to pick
00:32:48.83\00:32:50.53
from the tree, and
it's going to be very plant-
00:32:50.60\00:32:52.50
based there! So,
having the beautiful natural
00:32:52.57\00:32:57.67
surroundings just
helps us. We have people who
00:32:57.77\00:33:00.51
may not walk closely
with the Lord and may
00:33:00.58\00:33:02.78
have never walked
with the Lord; it helps us.
00:33:02.84\00:33:05.51
The Spirit is there and
the Holy Spirit helps us
00:33:05.61\00:33:08.88
with this
beautiful natural surrounding
00:33:08.95\00:33:10.79
to separate them
from the world and to make
00:33:10.82\00:33:13.46
them reduce their stress
and think on the spiritual
00:33:13.52\00:33:16.22
things. And that's
just, I think, a very, very
00:33:16.29\00:33:18.79
important aspect of
our program is its natural
00:33:18.86\00:33:22.36
beauty and where it
is. We have, as Dr. Kelly
00:33:22.43\00:33:24.80
was saying, we have
all the evidence-based
00:33:24.87\00:33:26.74
scientific stuff.
Kezzia and her menus are
00:33:26.84\00:33:30.44
fantastic; but being in
these natural, beautiful
00:33:30.51\00:33:33.34
surroundings where you
can get out and walk...
00:33:33.38\00:33:35.64
- That's right. - ...I
think really contributes
00:33:35.71\00:33:38.05
to the ministry of
the program. - Just being
00:33:38.15\00:33:40.22
there for one day, my
stress went from like,
00:33:40.28\00:33:42.08
here to like...just
sloped down, because
00:33:42.18\00:33:44.65
I woke up in the morning
to the sound of nothing...
00:33:44.72\00:33:46.29
and that's important.
Not the sound of a car
00:33:46.35\00:33:48.56
door slamming, not
the sound of neighbors
00:33:48.62\00:33:50.23
walking above our heads,
but it's just to the sound
00:33:50.29\00:33:53.36
of nothing-or maybe the
trees rustling or a bird
00:33:53.43\00:33:56.77
in the distance, chirping...
It's just so beautiful,
00:33:56.83\00:33:59.33
the way that God intended
it to be. - And then we do
00:33:59.43\00:34:01.97
have our spiritual- we
do not have anyone here
00:34:02.00\00:34:04.64
right now representing
our biblical response
00:34:04.71\00:34:06.51
therapy, but we have
morning devotions that-
00:34:06.57\00:34:10.05
morning stretches and
morning devotions with
00:34:10.15\00:34:12.41
the guests, and we have
spiritual and mental coaches
00:34:12.48\00:34:16.95
that help them go through,
and for those who are open
00:34:17.02\00:34:20.36
to learn biblical
applications of how to
00:34:20.46\00:34:23.16
reduce your stress
and various things. And if
00:34:23.29\00:34:25.43
they have problems,
something going on in
00:34:25.49\00:34:27.06
their life, there
are people that they can
00:34:27.13\00:34:28.76
talk to. For those who
don't come in and don't
00:34:28.83\00:34:30.97
want to be as spiritually
inclined, it is optional
00:34:31.03\00:34:33.50
for them that most people,
guests, will listen in and
00:34:33.57\00:34:38.24
they still benefit
from these concepts that
00:34:38.31\00:34:41.84
come from the
Bible. Even if they aren't
00:34:41.91\00:34:43.61
yet ready to embrace
the Bible, they still
00:34:43.68\00:34:45.88
benefit from the concepts.
So, that is a very important
00:34:45.91\00:34:48.45
element of our program,
and, again, I'm sorry that
00:34:48.48\00:34:50.69
none of our
spiritual and mental coaches
00:34:50.72\00:34:52.95
were able to be here
today to talk about this.
00:34:52.99\00:34:54.92
But that's how we
start the day-that prayer is
00:34:54.99\00:34:59.66
a very important aspect
if we pray with the guests
00:34:59.73\00:35:02.06
and we don't push
anything on them, but
00:35:02.13\00:35:04.57
we certainly let them
know that we're trying
00:35:04.63\00:35:06.53
to demonstrate not
only a good lifestyle
00:35:06.60\00:35:08.57
for them, but we
want to demonstrate God's
00:35:08.64\00:35:10.47
love through
everything that we do. - Right.
00:35:10.54\00:35:12.41
Social, mental,
spiritual, and physical, all the
00:35:12.47\00:35:14.54
aspects of life
that balance us out-which
00:35:14.61\00:35:17.18
is really
interesting to me, because as
00:35:17.25\00:35:18.58
I ask the RN and the
nurse here, Janice Grote-
00:35:18.61\00:35:21.78
because when people
come to the program...
00:35:21.85\00:35:23.42
Let's talk about-
so, I'm coming in for the
00:35:23.49\00:35:25.15
first time. What
actually happens in preparation
00:35:25.22\00:35:27.29
for me to become
a participant in the
00:35:27.39\00:35:29.49
program? What
actually- what kind of protocol
00:35:29.56\00:35:31.73
does a person go through
when they just say, "Okay,
00:35:31.83\00:35:33.76
I'm here; I want to
enter the program"? What do
00:35:33.86\00:35:36.53
you actually do? -
Well, they come in kind of
00:35:36.60\00:35:40.40
scared and not sure
what we're going do to them.
00:35:40.47\00:35:42.67
They get scared
about what they're going to
00:35:42.74\00:35:44.34
be fed, and they're
relieved real quickly
00:35:44.37\00:35:47.31
that first morning.
But then, as the nurse, we
00:35:47.38\00:35:50.65
make sure that they
know not to eat anything
00:35:50.71\00:35:52.75
during the night and
that they will have a
00:35:52.85\00:35:54.78
blood draw, a pre-blood
draw, before the program
00:35:54.88\00:35:58.82
the first morning. Then,
at the end of the program,
00:35:58.89\00:36:02.59
the post-draw, they will
get to see these wonderful
00:36:02.66\00:36:05.13
results, and that's a
very exciting time for
00:36:05.23\00:36:08.40
the guest and for
me to watch them, Ryan,
00:36:08.50\00:36:13.44
so animated and
so motivated. He was
00:36:13.54\00:36:16.74
ideal to see his
CRP go from 14 to 4.
00:36:16.84\00:36:22.61
- What's a CRP, particularly?
- It's the C-reactive protein,
00:36:22.68\00:36:25.45
and that has to do with
the inflammation in your
00:36:25.51\00:36:29.22
body. So, anything over
a three is too high. So,
00:36:29.28\00:36:33.56
his going from a 14 to
a 4 was so exciting for
00:36:33.66\00:36:38.96
him. - And that's
Ryan Day, one of our guys
00:36:39.06\00:36:41.10
here. - Yes, exactly.
- Singer in Israel and
00:36:41.16\00:36:43.26
preacher. - Oh, he
was such a great guest. We
00:36:43.33\00:36:46.47
enjoyed him so much.
Like I said, he was so
00:36:46.53\00:36:48.80
animated, and
every meal got a picture.
00:36:48.87\00:36:53.04
He'd be talking about,
"Now, that's my favorite,"
00:36:54.64\00:36:57.51
and then the next day,
THAT might be his favorite.
00:36:57.61\00:36:59.81
So, he was so much fun.
So, yeah. And his cholesterol,
00:36:59.88\00:37:04.45
also, went from... It
was a really good drop,
00:37:04.52\00:37:08.22
as well, so he was
very happy about that. I was
00:37:08.32\00:37:10.76
the first one to get
to see his weight. We
00:37:10.83\00:37:14.36
weighed him, and
then him coming back and
00:37:14.43\00:37:16.90
getting that second
weight, he was hoping
00:37:16.97\00:37:19.57
that he would maybe
lose 10 pounds, and was so
00:37:19.67\00:37:23.47
thrilled when he'd
lost 21 pounds... 21.4. And
00:37:23.54\00:37:27.94
you know, losing
9 inches from the
00:37:28.04\00:37:31.95
measurements. - So the
program is very effective!
00:37:32.01\00:37:36.28
But you assess a
person when they go in to kind
00:37:36.38\00:37:38.45
of see, "Well, you're
at the starting line here.
00:37:38.52\00:37:40.76
Now, we're going
to gage you as you,
00:37:40.82\00:37:42.29
so to speak, run around
this track, a rehabilitation
00:37:42.36\00:37:44.66
and change and reform
in a lot of areas of your
00:37:44.76\00:37:48.40
life. - Exactly. - Wow.
- And at first, you know,
00:37:48.46\00:37:52.73
maybe the exercise was
a little difficult and he
00:37:52.83\00:37:55.24
was getting kind of
sore. The second day, both our
00:37:55.30\00:37:58.21
guests said-or maybe
it was the third day-
00:37:58.27\00:38:00.48
"You know, I've been
doing really well," and
00:38:00.54\00:38:02.74
they were really
wanting to, again, do the whole
00:38:02.81\00:38:04.35
program. But then,
it's like, they both came
00:38:04.45\00:38:07.92
down and said, "You
know, I feel like I got
00:38:07.98\00:38:09.32
ran over by a
truck. Now, I'm not so good
00:38:09.35\00:38:11.52
this morning." But you
know, that's what happens
00:38:11.59\00:38:14.92
with our bodies when you
start making those changes;
00:38:15.02\00:38:17.43
then, our bodies react
and they start detoxing
00:38:17.53\00:38:21.06
and such, and it's not
a real good feeling. But
00:38:21.16\00:38:24.27
they came out of that
shortly and we're back
00:38:25.30\00:38:27.50
on going forward, and
quickly... - That's right;
00:38:27.57\00:38:32.64
they're back on the
track of life. - Exactly.
00:38:32.71\00:38:34.44
- Since you talked
about Ryan, I want to show
00:38:34.51\00:38:36.71
some more pictures here,
because it's a very interesting-
00:38:36.78\00:38:38.51
apart of the program
here- we saw some of the first
00:38:38.58\00:38:40.88
half of the
program. I want to talk about
00:38:40.95\00:38:42.58
some of these,
and maybe you can walk
00:38:42.68\00:38:44.02
us through... Any
one of you could comment
00:38:44.05\00:38:45.39
on the pictures
that we're going to see
00:38:45.42\00:38:46.76
right now, because
this right here... Look
00:38:46.79\00:38:49.52
at that setting. I
think that speaks for itself.
00:38:49.62\00:38:52.19
That's what you see on
a daily basis. - That's
00:38:53.43\00:38:55.56
where you go
walking. Dan would lead the
00:38:55.63\00:38:57.50
walks after lunch. -
Okay. And that's what time
00:38:57.57\00:39:02.00
of year? - Spring... -
It's like, June. - Summer?
00:39:02.10\00:39:05.04
Spring, summer.
Wow. I mean, skies- all
00:39:05.11\00:39:07.08
these pictures-
now, that's some canyon
00:39:07.14\00:39:08.94
wall? - Yeah,
that's Battle Creek running
00:39:09.04\00:39:10.88
there, and that's- heading
back with the canyon gets
00:39:10.95\00:39:12.95
more narrow. -
Okay. - Behind the center.
00:39:13.01\00:39:15.25
- And that's...you can't
tell about Inspiration Point.
00:39:15.38\00:39:18.05
- Okay. Like I said,
Ryan was very motivated;
00:39:18.15\00:39:21.46
but, you know, it was
cold when he was there
00:39:23.66\00:39:25.59
in the wintertime.
We'd been walking most every
00:39:25.69\00:39:31.17
day. And
sometimes, that wind is really
00:39:31.23\00:39:32.97
crazy out there and
such, but I said, "You
00:39:33.03\00:39:36.14
know, maybe today
is the day. Maybe you
00:39:36.20\00:39:38.57
should do Red Canyon
Road." Well, Red Canyon Road
00:39:38.64\00:39:42.24
is a very sharp,
steep hill, and it's a good
00:39:42.31\00:39:47.58
quarter of a mile.
So, yep-today was the
00:39:47.68\00:39:51.22
day. And so, we had
to make a few stops, but
00:39:51.29\00:39:56.96
he made it all the way
up to a stop sign, which
00:39:57.09\00:39:59.93
was...by the time
we got back home-back
00:40:00.00\00:40:02.70
to the lodge, I
should say-it was a mile and
00:40:02.76\00:40:05.73
a half. He was so
excited that he had been able to
00:40:05.83\00:40:11.44
do that, knowing a
week ago, he couldn't have
00:40:11.51\00:40:14.38
done that. And
then, the next week, a day
00:40:14.44\00:40:17.31
before he left, he
wanted to go up Red Canyon Road
00:40:17.38\00:40:21.38
again. So, we went
all the way to the stop
00:40:21.48\00:40:24.29
sign and back-and
I think that was two
00:40:24.35\00:40:26.32
miles-but he wanted,
really, to be the one
00:40:26.39\00:40:29.56
guest who'd walked the
most of any guest that'd
00:40:30.53\00:40:33.56
ever been there. So,
the next day, they were
00:40:33.63\00:40:38.40
leaving, so it's
like, "The next time I come,
00:40:38.47\00:40:41.04
I'll do that." But
I didn't tell about
00:40:41.10\00:40:43.14
Inspiration Point;
we haven't shown that
00:40:43.24\00:40:44.84
though, so I
just... - Yeah. Let's just
00:40:44.91\00:40:46.27
go back to that picture,
the down-looking picture
00:40:46.34\00:40:48.38
from the mountaintop
of the center. That one,
00:40:48.44\00:40:49.98
that right there. -
Yeah. And then, another day,
00:40:50.01\00:40:51.68
"Okay, Ryan, maybe
today, you should go
00:40:51.78\00:40:54.18
up Inspiration
Point." So, again, he walked
00:40:54.32\00:41:00.49
to the top, and
there's a high five. Maybe
00:41:00.59\00:41:03.09
they'll show that
later, where he and the BRT
00:41:03.16\00:41:05.39
counselor were giving
a high five after he'd
00:41:05.49\00:41:09.33
made it to the top of
Inspiration Point. It's not
00:41:09.40\00:41:15.47
just smooth walking up
to the top... - No, I can
00:41:15.57\00:41:17.94
see, because the
altitude does really... It takes
00:41:17.97\00:41:20.54
a sharp... - Yeah, there's
a lot of rocks and such, so
00:41:20.64\00:41:24.58
it was an undertaking...
but I was so proud of him.
00:41:24.68\00:41:27.78
He was so much fun to
have as a guest. - And
00:41:27.85\00:41:30.65
you know, part of
that, Janice, that made the
00:41:30.72\00:41:33.52
difference is not
only the medical side, but
00:41:33.59\00:41:36.69
Kezzia was making
sure he had the fuel. - Oh,
00:41:36.76\00:41:39.66
absolutely. She's
a favorite there-let
00:41:39.76\00:41:42.53
me tell you. - She's
quite quiet, but we're
00:41:42.60\00:41:45.63
going to get some-
tell us, Kezzia, give us a
00:41:45.73\00:41:47.37
peak into the mind
of a culinary artist at
00:41:47.44\00:41:51.31
Black Hills Health and
Education Center. - Well...
00:41:51.37\00:41:55.64
[laughter] I guess
when I start my days
00:41:55.74\00:42:01.88
in the kitchen or
when I'm planning a menu,
00:42:01.95\00:42:03.92
I want to be sure
to give the food to the
00:42:03.99\00:42:08.66
guest that will
the most quickly and
00:42:08.72\00:42:13.13
effective results they
want. So, I start there,
00:42:13.19\00:42:18.17
and I look for plant
foods, for whole foods,
00:42:18.23\00:42:22.54
for as much
nutrition as I can possibly fit
00:42:22.60\00:42:26.17
into the meals. And
then from there, I take
00:42:26.27\00:42:28.64
it and put it into
different dishes and
00:42:28.74\00:42:32.28
try to make it
look nice. - Okay. - Not
00:42:32.35\00:42:35.78
just salads, but
all sorts of different
00:42:35.88\00:42:37.95
things. And even the
salads we do have, not
00:42:38.02\00:42:40.12
just your regular lettuce
and salads with dressing,
00:42:40.22\00:42:43.99
but a variety. -
Okay. So there's not only
00:42:44.06\00:42:47.16
just the nutritional
food, but also, there's
00:42:47.23\00:42:49.26
some artistry to
it, too. It doesn't just
00:42:49.36\00:42:51.73
taste good; it also looks
good. - Yes. - Wow. - Every
00:42:51.83\00:42:55.10
meal is beautiful.
- That's right. - It's
00:42:55.17\00:42:57.34
picture-perfect. -
That gives a different bend
00:42:57.44\00:43:00.21
to that song. "Every
meal is beautiful..."
00:43:00.28\00:43:02.94
[laughter] "...in
its own way." But you're
00:43:03.04\00:43:05.11
the quiet storm in
the kitchen! Because you
00:43:05.21\00:43:08.28
don't strike me as
that person that's going to
00:43:08.35\00:43:10.25
be shouting, "Dinner's
ready!" - No! I actually
00:43:10.32\00:43:13.46
don't. People come
at mealtimes, and I have
00:43:13.52\00:43:16.36
the food ready to go.
- Okay. - But sometimes,
00:43:16.46\00:43:18.99
they do come and stand
in the hallway and talk,
00:43:19.09\00:43:20.80
and then I have to go
chorale them. But mostly,
00:43:20.90\00:43:24.53
I don't have to do
that. - Because they're ready.
00:43:24.60\00:43:27.20
- They're ready to
eat. - They go for one meal-
00:43:27.27\00:43:29.50
and then let me just ask
this question. One of the
00:43:29.60\00:43:31.61
practices at Black
Hills is you try to
00:43:31.71\00:43:33.84
prevent them or try
to encourage them not to
00:43:33.94\00:43:36.14
eat between meals,
'cause there's a science
00:43:36.24\00:43:38.98
to that. I should
have asked Dr. Kelly. Tell
00:43:39.05\00:43:41.52
us about that. -?
00:43:41.62\00:43:43.89
Dr. Kelly would've
been a good person to ask.
00:43:43.95\00:43:46.19
Basically, it is a
way for your body to reset
00:43:46.29\00:43:49.79
between meals and to
help your system handle
00:43:49.86\00:43:54.36
your day, your
food, better and to enable
00:43:54.46\00:43:59.00
you to find more satisfaction
in the food that you do eat
00:43:59.10\00:44:03.94
so that you're not as
tempted to eat between
00:44:04.01\00:44:06.27
meals. - That's good.
So, you get the nutrition
00:44:06.37\00:44:09.04
you need. And think
of it this way. You know,
00:44:09.14\00:44:11.35
between filling up
your vehicle- you fill it up
00:44:11.41\00:44:14.68
and you park it. You
don't just keep filling
00:44:14.75\00:44:17.42
it up. You wait
till that fuel burns off,
00:44:17.49\00:44:20.49
then you put the
fuel back in; and the body
00:44:20.56\00:44:22.19
is similar, is the
same way, and some of us
00:44:22.26\00:44:24.09
live, like one
person once said they eat
00:44:24.16\00:44:25.79
one meal a day, all
day. That's not what is a
00:44:25.89\00:44:29.06
healthy practice.
Well, for some people, that
00:44:29.16\00:44:31.90
may be-I'll talk about
this at a different time-
00:44:32.00\00:44:35.20
if you're trying to gain
weight, there's a healthy
00:44:35.30\00:44:37.51
way of doing that.
But when you don't eat
00:44:37.61\00:44:40.41
between meals, you
look forward to the
00:44:40.48\00:44:42.28
next one, which I learned
when I went to Black Hills.
00:44:42.34\00:44:44.45
So, I was in that kitchen
for breakfast, for lunch,
00:44:44.55\00:44:47.92
and I surely didn't
miss dinner, because after
00:44:48.02\00:44:50.39
dinner was the next
meal that is...breakfast.
00:44:50.45\00:44:52.89
Wow. - Can I just say...
- Sure. - All that fiber-
00:44:52.99\00:44:56.89
I mean, these are
high-fiber meals, and
00:44:56.99\00:44:59.23
that helps to hold the
food so it's not emptying
00:44:59.29\00:45:01.90
out in a hurry and then
you're starving. - That's
00:45:01.96\00:45:04.50
right. - One of our
guests said the whole
00:45:04.57\00:45:06.30
time she was there,
she was never hungry.
00:45:06.37\00:45:09.14
Well, she went from
eating three meals a
00:45:09.24\00:45:11.17
day like most people
do, and yeah. So, she
00:45:11.21\00:45:16.21
was so happy about
that; but I hope we
00:45:16.28\00:45:18.08
get a picture of a
plate or several plates of the
00:45:18.15\00:45:21.42
food, because
they're going to be amazed at
00:45:21.52\00:45:24.99
how much they get to
intake. - Oh, I remember
00:45:25.09\00:45:27.29
that. I don't want
to miss Barbara, because
00:45:27.36\00:45:30.69
Barbara's very much
a part of it, not only-
00:45:30.76\00:45:32.66
tell us- remind us of
your capacity at Black
00:45:32.73\00:45:34.96
Hills. - I do the
massage and hydrotherapy for the
00:45:35.06\00:45:38.20
guests-women guests.
- Now, hydrotherapy...
00:45:38.27\00:45:41.10
Talk about that,
because Al Trace talked about
00:45:41.17\00:45:43.30
some of the massage-
hydrotherapy. Somebody
00:45:43.37\00:45:45.77
might think, "A hydro
water..." Tell us about
00:45:45.81\00:45:48.14
that. Kind of open
up that and explain that
00:45:48.21\00:45:50.68
to us. - We have several
ways of giving it. There's
00:45:50.81\00:45:53.75
Russian steam bath
and contrast showers and
00:45:53.85\00:45:57.35
contrast foot
baths and hot-and-cold
00:45:57.49\00:46:00.76
fomentations and infrared
sauna... Ryan especially
00:46:00.86\00:46:05.59
liked the infrared sauna. -
Now, the contrast showers...
00:46:05.69\00:46:09.46
Somebody once
talked about a funny event
00:46:09.60\00:46:12.77
at Black Hills. We
had a guy that was living
00:46:12.87\00:46:14.90
here. He had a
contrast shower. Would contrast
00:46:14.97\00:46:17.77
be hot and cold? - Mhm.
- Which one do you start
00:46:17.84\00:46:20.41
with? - Hot. [laughter]
- I cannot... It's in my
00:46:20.51\00:46:24.48
mind still. He said
he was in this contrast
00:46:24.58\00:46:26.38
shower, and they
didn't inform him when they
00:46:26.45\00:46:28.85
were going to go completely
cold, and they heard this
00:46:28.92\00:46:31.39
blood-curdling scream
and they realized it was
00:46:31.45\00:46:34.16
him. But the contrast...
Tell us, what does that
00:46:34.22\00:46:36.46
do? What does that
do for you? - Well, it's
00:46:36.52\00:46:38.69
very stimulating.
It'll stimulate your immune
00:46:38.76\00:46:40.56
system, it's good
for people that have
00:46:40.60\00:46:42.63
depression... It
perks them up, gets a lot of
00:46:42.70\00:46:46.23
the endorphins going,
and it's good for people
00:46:46.30\00:46:52.14
that are trying to quit
smoking. There are eight
00:46:52.21\00:46:56.41
showerheads in the contrast
shower, so they're getting
00:46:56.44\00:46:59.25
it from all directions.
The temperature controls
00:46:59.31\00:47:01.32
are on the outside,
and we usually warn them
00:47:01.38\00:47:03.92
ahead of time. [laughter]
And it's going to be 3
00:47:04.05\00:47:07.49
minutes of hot, and
then 10 seconds of cold, 3
00:47:07.56\00:47:11.16
more minutes of hot,
15 seconds of cold, 3
00:47:11.26\00:47:15.20
more minutes of
hot, and then it could be
00:47:15.26\00:47:16.77
20 seconds, but it
could be longer. I just tell
00:47:16.83\00:47:19.93
them, "Just tell me
when you've had enough."
00:47:20.00\00:47:21.67
There were people
that were competing at one
00:47:21.74\00:47:24.11
point. Some were going
2 and a half minutes in
00:47:24.21\00:47:26.78
the cold, and it gets
cold, like...down to like,
00:47:26.88\00:47:31.71
58 degrees it can get to
if you run it long enough.
00:47:31.81\00:47:36.85
- But that's good,
though! So, the benefit to the
00:47:36.95\00:47:39.25
body is stimulation,
sending the blood to
00:47:39.32\00:47:42.32
and from to the different
organs, because when you
00:47:42.39\00:47:45.46
said-how many
shower heads? Eight shower
00:47:45.53\00:47:46.96
heads? - Mhm. - So,
you're not- you can't
00:47:47.03\00:47:49.66
run from one
shower head, because it's
00:47:49.73\00:47:51.07
getting it all over
the place. Is it a circular
00:47:51.10\00:47:53.50
shower, or is it...?
- No, it's just a square
00:47:53.57\00:47:56.17
shower, but they're on
three sides; the shower
00:47:56.24\00:47:58.87
heads are on three
sides. - Okay. So, you
00:47:58.94\00:48:00.71
do have one way to
escape if you want to
00:48:00.78\00:48:02.11
run out. - Yeah, you
can crash out the door
00:48:02.14\00:48:04.01
if you want to. [laughter]
- But I don't think that
00:48:04.08\00:48:07.05
people have gone there
for that. I mean, it could
00:48:07.15\00:48:08.85
be hilarious, 'cause
this guy, when he was
00:48:08.95\00:48:10.42
telling me the story,
he said, "I don't remember
00:48:10.49\00:48:12.55
if they told me
they were going to shift
00:48:12.62\00:48:15.32
or not; but when
it hit me," he said he
00:48:15.39\00:48:17.26
screamed. But he came
back very, very healthy!
00:48:17.33\00:48:20.26
That's the one thing
that was nice about it.
00:48:20.33\00:48:22.20
He came back with a
different lifestyle. He
00:48:22.26\00:48:26.60
learned health, and
he surely did get an
00:48:26.67\00:48:28.87
education...and anything
else that you participate
00:48:28.94\00:48:31.44
in there when you're
there. Don't you also-
00:48:31.54\00:48:33.78
what about the
exercise center? Are you...?
00:48:33.84\00:48:36.91
- Well, I'm not a
fitness trainer, but
00:48:36.98\00:48:38.65
we have a very good
fitness center. That's
00:48:38.71\00:48:43.08
one of the
outstanding things about it, and
00:48:43.15\00:48:45.29
people get personal
fitness training. We
00:48:45.39\00:48:47.72
have very nice
Nautilus equipment. - I remember
00:48:47.82\00:48:51.86
that! - Mhm, as
well as free weights and
00:48:51.93\00:48:54.16
everything, so it's a
real nice fitness center.
00:48:54.23\00:48:56.60
So, it's really
quite the package. You get
00:48:57.43\00:48:59.33
the personal
fitness training, and Kezzia
00:48:59.40\00:49:02.17
didn't mention
her vegetarian cooking
00:49:02.27\00:49:03.91
classes, and the
doctors' lectures and even tours
00:49:04.01\00:49:08.58
on the weekends of the
beautiful Black Hills. - Wow.
00:49:08.64\00:49:13.25
And going on group
walking. Do you- did
00:49:13.31\00:49:17.82
I just hear you say
you teach them some of the
00:49:17.92\00:49:20.06
cooking? - Yes. We had
about five cooking classes
00:49:20.16\00:49:23.86
during the 3-week
time. - Wow. - And the guests
00:49:23.93\00:49:26.96
come in the kitchen
with me, and we go over the
00:49:27.03\00:49:29.86
recipes that we use.
And if they don't know
00:49:29.90\00:49:33.64
how to cook, I show
them how to cook from
00:49:33.70\00:49:35.24
knowing how to
chop vegetables to the
00:49:35.34\00:49:38.54
people that know more
cooking to more advanced
00:49:38.67\00:49:42.18
things. It's really
fun having them, and they
00:49:42.24\00:49:44.81
really enjoy it. -
Wow. - And then we also talk
00:49:44.85\00:49:48.72
about things they
can do when they go home.
00:49:48.78\00:49:50.52
- Okay. That's
good. So, what they get
00:49:50.55\00:49:52.65
used to... - Right.
- ...they are trained
00:49:52.72\00:49:54.16
on how they can continue
this at home. That's very
00:49:54.19\00:49:56.46
interesting, because
a lot of times, we go
00:49:56.52\00:49:58.43
home and we
think, "Oh, they gave me
00:49:58.53\00:50:01.36
good food, but what
do I do next?" - Right.
00:50:01.43\00:50:03.53
- Sylvia, I want
to come back to you,
00:50:03.67\00:50:05.53
because I think
there's another picture that we
00:50:05.57\00:50:08.10
didn't see yet.
Wasn't there a bell?
00:50:08.14\00:50:10.51
- Oh-there are two
pictures, yes. - Yeah,
00:50:10.61\00:50:12.77
I want to see that. -
It's Kezzia' s kitchen.
00:50:12.87\00:50:14.58
- Okay. - The main
lodge. So, that's her
00:50:14.64\00:50:18.78
kitchen. That's
the conference room in
00:50:18.88\00:50:20.68
the front...and then
the bell. And everyone-
00:50:20.75\00:50:22.45
the bell's out in
the front yard. So, this
00:50:22.48\00:50:24.25
is the last picture
we have. The dining room
00:50:24.32\00:50:26.15
has windows on three
sides. This is one of
00:50:26.25\00:50:28.72
the views out of the
dining room that she would be
00:50:28.79\00:50:30.36
looking out that
way. We always take group
00:50:30.43\00:50:32.36
photos, and so this
is where people often
00:50:32.43\00:50:34.10
congregate, and they
will-around the bell-
00:50:34.16\00:50:36.67
we will take a
group photo. - You also
00:50:36.73\00:50:38.67
mentioned that you
have- you're working
00:50:38.73\00:50:40.60
on making the program...
Because it's a self-supporting,
00:50:40.67\00:50:43.10
you want to try to
make the program accessible
00:50:43.17\00:50:44.94
to people that are
denominational workers
00:50:45.01\00:50:46.64
that could have access
to that kind of program.
00:50:46.71\00:50:49.18
Talk about that. - What we're
00:50:49.24\00:50:50.58
really excited about
this is that... So, we are
00:50:50.61\00:50:52.18
self-supporting
and we understand the
00:50:52.28\00:50:54.52
challenges that
there are in working for a
00:50:54.62\00:50:56.38
self-supporting, for
working for the church
00:50:56.42\00:50:58.09
or working for a self-
supporting support ministry
00:50:58.19\00:51:00.49
of the Adventist church.
So, we guess we're talking
00:51:00.59\00:51:04.33
about Ryan Day of 3ABN
being there as a guest,
00:51:04.39\00:51:07.10
but we want to make it
available to denominational
00:51:07.16\00:51:09.70
employees and
employees of church-supporting
00:51:09.76\00:51:12.53
institutions such
as 3ABN. - Wonderful.
00:51:12.60\00:51:15.10
- So, I am working-
several ideas, we've
00:51:15.17\00:51:19.17
got, but one of them
is I'm working on some
00:51:19.24\00:51:20.81
donors who would underride
a program for a month so
00:51:20.88\00:51:23.48
that we can invite
all these people who will
00:51:23.55\00:51:26.25
be able to come in and
it will not be an economic
00:51:26.31\00:51:27.98
hardship for them to
do so. We also, sometimes,
00:51:28.05\00:51:31.85
have- we have scholarship
funds, and so individuals
00:51:31.89\00:51:34.76
also want to come.
Sometimes, we can get
00:51:34.82\00:51:37.03
individual sponsoring or
use our scholarship fund.
00:51:37.09\00:51:39.59
So, one of our missions...
I've not been president
00:51:39.66\00:51:43.00
for that long, but one
of our goals and missions is
00:51:43.06\00:51:46.00
that we so believe in
our ministry and what we do
00:51:46.07\00:51:48.54
that we want to open
that up to other people
00:51:48.60\00:51:50.61
within the church as
their ministry, and to
00:51:50.71\00:51:53.11
others, we want to
be able to minister to
00:51:53.17\00:51:54.81
them to help them in
their ministry. - Wow.
00:51:54.91\00:51:56.88
- So, be looking
for great things coming.
00:51:56.95\00:51:58.71
We're pulling this
all together to be able
00:51:58.78\00:52:00.85
to have special rates
and even special programs
00:52:00.92\00:52:03.89
for denominational and
other church-affiliated...
00:52:03.99\00:52:07.12
- Well, I appreciate
that, because my wife
00:52:07.19\00:52:08.99
and I are thinking about
taking advantage of that.
00:52:09.09\00:52:11.16
And I know if you're
watching or listening
00:52:11.19\00:52:12.89
to the program, you want to
find out how to get in touch
00:52:12.96\00:52:14.66
with Black Hills
Health and Education Center.
00:52:14.73\00:52:16.70
Here is the
information that you need.
00:52:16.77\00:52:18.93
- If you're
interested in improving your
00:52:21.10\00:52:22.94
lifestyle and want
to learn more about this
00:52:23.00\00:52:25.01
self-supporting ministry
of Black Hills Health and
00:52:25.07\00:52:27.58
Education Center,
you can contact them at:
00:52:27.64\00:52:30.05