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- Hello friends, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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I'm John
Lomacang, and thank you for
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Jesus Christ along with a
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plethora of
different types of programming.
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Today is one great
example of the diversity
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of this network as
we have a program today
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about hypertension,
diabetes, and heart
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disease - that's
a concern worldwide.
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Our guest today is
going to walk us through
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some of the natural
remedies that we can
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participate in,
because everyone wants to
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reduce health costs
and have that kind of
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abundant life
that Jesus has come to
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offer. So, thank
you for taking the time.
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Also, if you're a
part of our 3ABN family,
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thank you for
your prayers and your
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financial support
of this network as we
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continue going
and growing, getting
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ready for the
coming of Jesus. Right now,
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let us meet our
guest today, Dr. Enoch
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Sundaram. So good to
have you here. - Nice
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to be here, sir. -
Yes. I have seen studies,
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medical studies... I'm
obviously not a physician;
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I'm more of a
pastor, but I know that these
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issues-diabetes, heart
disease, and hypertension
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are a great concern
in the world. But before
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we get into that, tell
our listening and viewing
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audience a little
about your background, who
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you are, where
you're from, and what you
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do right now. -
Okay. I'm from a southern
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part of India. Me and
my wife, we are running
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a small hospital &
lifestyle center in
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a place called Nagercoil,
which is in the southern
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tip of India. We do
have a lifestyle program
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for various
diseases. The most common kind
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of disease that
we treat is diabetes,
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hypertension, and
heart disease. - Okay.
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- Yes. - And so,
you are married? 'Cause
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you mentioned your
wife. - Yeah. - Any
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children? - I have
two children - two sons.
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My eldest son is
about 15 years and the
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youngest son is 11
years old. - Wonderful.
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Now, I've been to
India before. It's
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a beautiful country,
a lot of people, a lot
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of motorcycles, and I've
enjoyed being in different
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parts of India. Now,
let's kind of dive right
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into the program and
just talk about these
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concerns, because
people watching the
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program, or maybe
they're listening in
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their car or from maybe
on their radio or whatever
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means they're
using, people today, for
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the most part in lifestyle
practices like diabetes,
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heart disease, and
hypertension are very
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much a real issue
in society today. What
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are some of the causes
of these...? Let's start
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with diabetes,
for example. - Now, as
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you know, India is
the diabetic capital
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of the world. We have a
lot of diabetes patients
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in India. One of
the major reasons for
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diabetes is
refined food. When I say
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'refined food,' it's
basically... Like the
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southern part of
India, we eat a lot of fries.
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And the northern
side of India, generally,
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they eat more wheat.
Now, what has happened
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is, in earlier
days, we used to have
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hand-pound rice.
So, we don't refine
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other grains. I
mean, that's what you call
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brown rice here, and
we call it hand-pound
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rice in India. -
Oh, okay. Hand-pound.
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- Yeah, hand-pound
rice. So, now, in hand-pound
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rice, you have all the
nutrients you need, and
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all of the very
important nutrients
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you need for metabolism
is chromium. Chromium is an
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important raw material
to produce insulin. You
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have your chromium
only in the brown rice; but
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when you refine
it, then you don't have
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your chromium. And
so... - So, in other words,
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if you eat white
rice or rice that had been
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bleached, or when you
say refined... - That's
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right, yeah. Nowadays,
the fiber on top of the
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rice is taken away and
it is refined, and so you
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just have the white
rice. The white rice
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doesn't have all the
nutrients, which means
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your pancreas misses
out on certain nutrients
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for it to produce
insulin. So, that's one of the
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major reasons why
people get diabetes. The same
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goes with wheat,
and when you refine the
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wheat and you remove
the husk and then you
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don't have these micronutrients
that your body needs. So,
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this is one of the
major reasons why people get
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diabetes. And number
2 is, in India, we used
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to have more of a
vegetarian kind of
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diet; but
recently, people are changing
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their diet and
lifestyle and they're opting
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more to meat-eating.
Now, traditionally, we
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were not like that.
Usually, our people,
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we used to have meat
once in a while - like
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when there is a festival
or some special occasion.
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But nowadays, it's not
like that. People started
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to eat more meat. Now,
there are a lot of studies
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that say that meat
is a very important
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cause for diabetes,
because it blocks the
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receptors where the
insulin does its function.
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- So when you eat
meat, the receptors
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where- you know, that
will draw in the insulin,
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it's pretty much cut off,
shut down? Blocked? - Yeah.
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And that's what we call
as insulin resistance. So,
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this is another
very important reason why
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people get diabetes. So,
the refined food and then
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the animal food (which
is very high in saturated
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fat), and the third
thing is lack of exercise.
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Generally, our
people, they don't exercise
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much. They don't
have that health-seeking
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behavior. So, these
are the major reasons for
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diabetes. Also,
there are studies that have
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come up, telling that
coffee and tea increases
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the insulin resistance,
because caffeine is in
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it. So, how
people... - How does caffeine
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do that? 'Cause I know
there are some people...
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Caffeine is such
a common drink. It's
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in Coke and Pepsi
and Mountain Dew and a
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lot of things that
people- coffee. And for
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some people, that's
just a part of their diet.
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They'll eat a
sandwich and drink Dr Pepper.
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How does caffeine affect
the body's ability to draw
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in what it needs? -
Yeah. 1) It increases
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the insulin resistance;
it becomes very difficult
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for the insulin to
do its function. Maybe
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let me explain like
this. In a normal person, he
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may need just one drop
of insulin; but when people
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have high insulin
resistance, they may
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need 5 drops of insulin.
So, this condition comes
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because of drinking
coffee and tea, also.
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It increases the
insulin resistance-the insulin
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receptor on the
cell wall. So, when you
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take more tea and coffee,
the resistance increases,
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which means one side-
your body has to produce
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more insulin to
handle the situation. So, a
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time comes where
your body says, "I cannot
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produce anymore insulin."
- Then you have to take
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the insulin shots
or... - Or oral hypoglycemic
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drugs to handle the
situation. - So then,
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it's not, in many
cases, the diabetes that you're
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talking of,
because I know there are
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different types
of diabetes. - That's
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right. - I'm not a
doctor. - Type 1 and type 2.
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- Which one is the
more hereditary one? - The
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hereditary one is
a type 2, and that's
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what we see
commonly found in any kind of
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population. Type
1 incidents are much
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less. - Yeah, a more
caused type of diabetes.
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- True. - By lifestyle
practice, refined foods,
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meat, and lack of
exercise. - That's
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right. And tea,
coffee... - And tea and coffee.
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- And of course, smoking
and alcohol also has an impact.
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- So, when you eat a
good meal: for example,
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people sit down;
they have a good meal. We
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shouldn't just base
our meals on the way
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it tastes. - True. - We
should base it on what's
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on the plate. -
That's right. - For example,
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if we go- we have
a very expensive car;
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we take it to the
gas station, and we put
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fuel into it. It's amazing
how we're very particular
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about what kind of fuel
we put in our car. - That's
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right. - And the manufacturer
says, "Premium only" or
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"Unleaded only" or-
well, everything is unleaded
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nowadays, but they
might say high octane.
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and we stick closely
to that because we want
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our cars to work well.
- True. - But why is it
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that people don't pay
attention to their bodies?
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- That is true, sir.
This is one side of the
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story, but I like to
tell you the other side of the
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story. - Yes. -
Now, generally, we as a
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people, we have no knowledge
and information what happens
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to the food before
it reaches our plate.
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Yeah. So, that awareness
and that knowledge, people
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have to know. Now, let
me explain. For example:
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now, generally, I
know in the States, people
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like bread. And if
I say 90% of the bread
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is made of white flour,
will I be right? - Pretty
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much. - Yeah. So,
most of the bread is made
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with white flour,
but people don't know how
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you get white flour.
White flour comes from
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wheat. And how do
they make white flour? They
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have to use a
chemical alloxan Now,
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this alloxan chemical
is so dangerous that it's
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one of the causes
for diabetes, and also it
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is nephrotoxic in
nature. So, when you
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keep taking food that
is made with white flour,
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you have to face
the consequences because
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of the chemicals
that are added in it. So,
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there are so many
things that happen to food
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before it reaches the
table. Now, I just told
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you about how food
is being processed. Now,
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let's go a little further.
Now, the method of farming,
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agriculture
practices... Today, there are so
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many chemicals that
are spread on our food.
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These chemicals
also have a great impact
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on our body. So,
we have not learned to
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give much attention
to all these things. But
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that itself, if you
see today, why we have
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such high incidence
of this disease, because
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agriculture
practices changed, the way we
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process our food
has changed because we
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add a lot of
chemicals, we refine it, and so
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many things, and listen-
until we understand these
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things and make changes
in these things, we cannot
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enjoy good health.
- Okay. So you have
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to look at the
entire chain of, "Where's my
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food coming from?
How is it processed? How
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is it made?" What
about... You know, there are
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sometimes you'll buy
bread in the store and
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it'll say,
"Enriched- wheat enriched." I've
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looked at that before,
and what, actually, that
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means is, some cases,
the wheat was bleached
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and they put some
wheat back into it. - Okay.
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- But still, if you
look at the whole process,
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it's far from the
way that it began. Am I
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saying it correctly?
- That's right. Yeah.
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What I believe is,
God has put a design, and
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as much as
possible, we should go by that
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design. We may
not understand all the
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information or the
knowledge in it, but
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the best would be
to go by the design God
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has put in nature.
But when you try to remove
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certain things
for certain reasons,
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maybe taste or for
the softness, and then you
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want to add
certain nutrients...I mean,
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that's not the
right way to move forward.
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- Right. You're offsetting
the balance and you're
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trying to reset it.
- Yeah. - For example,
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what about refined
foods like cakes and
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pies? Does that
have any part to play on?
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- Certainly, certainly. Now, I
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mean, that should've
been first in my list;
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thank you for
reminding me about that. Yeah,
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sugar is a big
problem today. Now, generally,
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when I go to restaurants,
I like to watch certain
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things. In India,
if you see people, they
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order a soft drink,
and then they like to order
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different kinds of
meats, then they like to have
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another juice or
dessert (which has a lot of
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sugar), and then,
again, sweets... - Fermented.
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- I mean, imagine
how much sugar they're
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loading in their
bodies. Now, when you take a
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lot of sugar, now,
you're demanding your pancreas
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to work more than
it has to and can work
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in a day - which
means, over a period of time,
00:14:29.10\00:14:32.77
you're exhausting the
resources of your body.
00:14:32.83\00:14:36.81
So, your pancreas
says, "See, I have overworked
00:14:36.87\00:14:40.28
for you for the
past 34 years, and now,
00:14:40.34\00:14:44.18
I cannot do as I
have been working for you
00:14:44.28\00:14:47.22
in the past." -
Hmm, never thought about
00:14:47.32\00:14:48.92
that. - And so, it
says, "Okay. I'm giving
00:14:48.98\00:14:52.25
you diabetes now. At
least now, you realize
00:14:52.35\00:14:54.79
that you have made
me work more; and now,
00:14:54.86\00:14:57.66
try to give me a
little break." It's basically
00:14:57.76\00:15:01.03
a reminder from the
body telling that- you
00:15:01.06\00:15:02.80
know? - So when the
pancreas stops working,
00:15:02.86\00:15:05.17
it's because you've
overtaxed it? You've
00:15:05.23\00:15:07.80
demanded it to put
out more than it naturally
00:15:07.87\00:15:10.74
should, and all of a
sudden, it gets to the
00:15:10.81\00:15:12.94
place of exhaustion
and it's worn out. - That's
00:15:13.01\00:15:15.64
right. - And then now,
you have to start trying
00:15:15.71\00:15:17.21
to use supplemental
drugs to take the place
00:15:17.28\00:15:20.02
of the natural function
of the pancreas. - Yeah.
00:15:20.08\00:15:22.12
Now, drugs
actually, they don't work like
00:15:22.18\00:15:26.02
supplements,
basically. What they do is, when
00:15:26.09\00:15:29.99
a person is
diagnosed as a diabetic, he has
00:15:30.03\00:15:33.80
only 50% of the pancreas
functioning. - Wow. - So,
00:15:33.86\00:15:39.63
what we do is,
when we give medications
00:15:40.70\00:15:43.94
of hypoglycemic drugs,
we are basically telling
00:15:44.01\00:15:47.64
the pancreas, "You
better work as how you were
00:15:47.71\00:15:50.25
working before." So,
we are kind of pushing the
00:15:50.31\00:15:53.01
pancreas to work
more. So, the pancreas says,
00:15:53.11\00:15:57.55
"Okay, I will do
it." And as we give these
00:15:57.59\00:16:00.96
drugs, the 50%
function comes to 40%, and 30%.
00:16:00.99\00:16:06.23
So basically,
because we are making the
00:16:06.29\00:16:08.40
pancreas do double the
work, it does; but a point
00:16:08.46\00:16:14.14
comes where we
consider it beta cell apoptosis.
00:16:14.20\00:16:17.71
Beta cell is a cell
that produces insulin in the
00:16:17.77\00:16:19.84
pancreas. And so,
since we made this beta cell
00:16:19.87\00:16:24.15
to work more, they,
again, get exhausted
00:16:24.21\00:16:27.22
and the percentage
of beta cell comes down.
00:16:27.32\00:16:30.09
- Okay. - And then
we say, "Okay, now, go
00:16:30.15\00:16:31.89
find insulin." -
Okay, so I'm going to put it
00:16:31.95\00:16:33.76
in layman's term for
those who are listening
00:16:33.86\00:16:35.29
to the program. You
know, if you think of
00:16:35.39\00:16:37.36
an athlete who's
in excellent shape and
00:16:37.43\00:16:40.73
you work him and
work him and work him, and
00:16:40.80\00:16:42.80
he says, "I'm getting
tired. I only have 50%
00:16:42.86\00:16:45.73
of my energy
left." And you say, "Well,
00:16:45.80\00:16:48.04
we're going to
give you drugs to make
00:16:48.10\00:16:49.44
you work even
harder." Well, he doesn't get
00:16:49.47\00:16:51.54
60 or 70 or 80%;
you're taking that 50% and
00:16:51.57\00:16:54.98
reducing it to 40, to
30, to 20 until he drops from
00:16:55.04\00:16:58.05
exhaustion. -
That's right. - And then he
00:16:58.11\00:17:00.22
can't- nothing
could stimulate him to get
00:17:00.28\00:17:02.35
back up. - That is
right. - So, that's
00:17:02.42\00:17:04.12
what happens to our
pancreas when we overtax
00:17:04.15\00:17:06.92
it with refined
flours, meats, alcohol, sugar,
00:17:07.02\00:17:11.69
caffeine- all
these things that demand
00:17:11.79\00:17:13.96
the production of
insulin. - That's right, sir.
00:17:14.00\00:17:17.43
- Wow. You don't
think about that very much.
00:17:17.50\00:17:19.63
You know, when you go
to a restaurant, especially
00:17:19.70\00:17:21.50
in America or places
in the world, we usually
00:17:21.60\00:17:24.07
tend to eat based on
what we like to taste.
00:17:24.14\00:17:26.44
- That's right. -
And they always say, "Do
00:17:26.51\00:17:28.84
you have room for
dessert?" So then,
00:17:28.88\00:17:33.68
that leads, now, from
diabetes, then does it
00:17:33.75\00:17:36.28
now lead to...
Let's bring hypertension
00:17:36.38\00:17:38.82
into the picture now. -
Okay. See, hypertension,
00:17:38.89\00:17:43.12
again, is becoming
a very serious problem
00:17:43.19\00:17:45.59
these days. There
are various reasons for
00:17:45.66\00:17:49.30
hypertension. Now, one
of the major causes for
00:17:49.36\00:17:51.83
hypertension also
is the exaggerated fat,
00:17:51.93\00:17:56.07
animal food, and tea
and coffee, the refined
00:17:56.17\00:17:59.87
food... They all have
it all; definitely, they
00:17:59.97\00:18:01.71
have it all. -
Right. - Now, if you take
00:18:01.78\00:18:04.88
hypertension- now,
why does blood pressure
00:18:04.95\00:18:08.22
increase? We have the
arteries; and the arteries,
00:18:08.28\00:18:12.72
they constrict. You
know? Arteries have an ability
00:18:12.79\00:18:17.69
to dilate and constrict.
- Okay, so they're flexible.
00:18:17.76\00:18:20.96
- Yeah, flexible. We say
vasodilation, vasoconstriction.
00:18:21.06\00:18:24.97
Now, there are certain
nutrients that allow the
00:18:25.03\00:18:30.14
arteries to
constrict; there are certain
00:18:30.21\00:18:31.91
nutrients that allow
arteries to dilate. So,
00:18:31.97\00:18:35.08
when you take most
sodium, it generally
00:18:35.14\00:18:38.51
constricts. When
you take more sodium, it
00:18:38.58\00:18:42.45
constricts. -
Like people that eat a
00:18:42.52\00:18:45.02
lot of salt: potato
chips, all this refined
00:18:45.09\00:18:48.36
stuff that tastes
good, but it's just pouring
00:18:48.42\00:18:51.79
sodium into your
body. - That's right. - And
00:18:51.86\00:18:54.30
it keeps the vessels
from expanding. - Correct,
00:18:54.36\00:18:57.50
sir. - Okay, I'm
following you; trying to learn
00:18:57.53\00:19:00.20
something, because
potato chips... Sometimes,
00:19:00.27\00:19:03.27
I like potato chips,
and I'm also an athlete.
00:19:03.34\00:19:05.77
I don't want to restrict
my arteries from working
00:19:05.84\00:19:09.01
the way that it should
work. - True. So that's
00:19:09.11\00:19:12.08
one. But when you
take food that is high in
00:19:12.15\00:19:16.35
magnesium and potassium,
it dilates the arteries. So,
00:19:16.42\00:19:20.52
I had an experience
with a software engineer who
00:19:20.59\00:19:25.89
was CEO of a
company. He was a young man,
00:19:25.96\00:19:29.80
and he was taking four
drugs for hypertension.
00:19:29.93\00:19:34.67
Then he came to me,
and I was giving him a diet
00:19:34.74\00:19:38.51
which was high in magnesium
and potassium, which is
00:19:38.61\00:19:41.11
more green, leafy
vegetables and bananas.
00:19:41.18\00:19:43.41
Then he was wondering,
"I've come for treatment.
00:19:43.48\00:19:47.78
What is this doctor
doing with me, giving
00:19:47.88\00:19:49.78
me just green,
leafy vegetables?" And I
00:19:49.85\00:19:51.85
said, "Just take it."
After a couple of days,
00:19:51.95\00:19:56.29
he saw his blood
pressure was dropping,
00:19:56.36\00:19:59.06
and then I had to
take away some of the drugs
00:19:59.09\00:20:00.80
from him, and then he
was feeling better. He
00:20:00.86\00:20:05.03
was surprised!
People become so surprised
00:20:05.10\00:20:07.37
how simple changes in
their diet and lifestyle
00:20:07.44\00:20:10.51
can make such a
big impact. So, just by
00:20:10.57\00:20:17.05
changing your diet, by
eating more food that's
00:20:17.15\00:20:20.08
high in magnesium, and
you find this in green,
00:20:20.15\00:20:23.39
leafy vegetables.
And when you take more
00:20:23.45\00:20:26.42
green, leafy vegetables
in your diet, more salads,
00:20:26.52\00:20:28.69
more greens, and more
fruits that have potassium,
00:20:28.79\00:20:32.99
and your blood pressure's
going to drop. But there's
00:20:33.09\00:20:36.10
a caution here.
Now, this advice doesn't
00:20:36.16\00:20:39.13
apply to
everybody. For example, people
00:20:39.23\00:20:42.67
who have hypertension
and also their kidneys
00:20:42.74\00:20:45.17
are affected, they
should not take this advice.
00:20:45.27\00:20:48.24
- Oh, okay. -
Because if the kidneys are
00:20:48.34\00:20:51.01
affected, then they
cannot handle potassium.
00:20:51.08\00:20:54.32
So if they take more
potassium, then they'll
00:20:54.38\00:20:56.72
be in trouble. -
Oh, okay. So people, for
00:20:56.79\00:20:59.35
example, that are on
dialysis... Okay. The
00:20:59.42\00:21:03.16
kidneys are
challenged. They should not- and
00:21:03.22\00:21:05.76
the reason that came
to my mind is because
00:21:05.86\00:21:07.20
my sister, she's a
survivor of the World
00:21:07.23\00:21:09.96
Trade Center in New
York. She's a firefighter,
00:21:10.07\00:21:12.50
retired now. But
she lost the function of
00:21:12.60\00:21:15.64
one of her kidneys,
and they said, "Well, now
00:21:15.70\00:21:17.71
that you have a new
kidney, be very light
00:21:17.77\00:21:20.48
on potassium." -
That's right. - Okay. So, what
00:21:20.54\00:21:23.24
does it do? How does it
affect...? - Now, that's
00:21:23.28\00:21:26.25
the reason-
whatever advice we give here,
00:21:26.31\00:21:28.52
people should not
get very emotional and
00:21:30.25\00:21:35.42
say, "Okay, I'm going
to do this right away,"
00:21:35.52\00:21:37.29
and stop all
medicines. That is the greatest
00:21:37.36\00:21:40.40
blunder they will do in
their life. - Dangerous.
00:21:40.46\00:21:43.13
Very dangerous! You
00:21:43.26\00:21:44.60
cannot stop your
medicines; you cannot
00:21:44.63\00:21:47.00
abruptly stop
what you're doing - no.
00:21:47.07\00:21:49.07
You have to work
with your doctor. Now,
00:21:49.14\00:21:51.44
whatever
information they get from this
00:21:51.51\00:21:53.68
program, they have
to start thinking on it,
00:21:53.74\00:21:56.61
making a plan, they
need to discuss with
00:21:56.71\00:21:59.51
their physician
and say, "Doctor, I'm
00:21:59.58\00:22:01.55
very serious about
bringing some lifestyle
00:22:01.62\00:22:03.32
change. Would you
help me with tapering
00:22:03.42\00:22:06.39
the drugs off?" so it
is a physician who has
00:22:06.45\00:22:08.72
to do that. -
Right. Guiding them through
00:22:08.82\00:22:11.83
the safe way. -
Exactly. They have to discuss
00:22:11.89\00:22:13.66
with the physician.
So, as I said, if you
00:22:13.76\00:22:17.53
are just suffering from
hypertension, a diet with
00:22:17.60\00:22:21.44
potassium and magnesium
will help; but if you have
00:22:21.50\00:22:24.57
a kidney problem,
then no- you cannot go for
00:22:24.67\00:22:28.14
that. - Right. - There
are the ways of handling
00:22:28.21\00:22:31.11
that. So, one reason
for hypertension is this,
00:22:31.18\00:22:36.02
and the second one is
clogged arteries. When
00:22:36.12\00:22:39.09
the arteries are
clogged and then more pressure
00:22:39.19\00:22:42.49
is required for the blood
to flow through the arteries.
00:22:42.59\00:22:45.49
So, generally, for
those patients who- what we
00:22:45.56\00:22:48.70
do is, we give them
ginger and garlic. It's
00:22:48.76\00:22:52.50
an excellent artery
cleanser with a little
00:22:52.57\00:22:54.47
bit of cayenne. In
fact, we make a tea...
00:22:54.54\00:22:58.37
- You mean with a
cayenne? - Yeah, that's
00:22:58.47\00:23:00.08
right. - Ginger, garlic,
and a little bit of cayenne.
00:23:00.14\00:23:02.14
- And lime. - And
lime. You know, my wife makes
00:23:02.21\00:23:05.08
a ginger- she gets
the natural ginger, boils
00:23:05.15\00:23:08.72
it, and she puts a
little lemon in it,
00:23:08.78\00:23:11.49
lime... And as a
singer and a person who uses
00:23:11.55\00:23:15.99
his voice a lot as I
do, that's my favorite
00:23:16.06\00:23:18.86
drink. But also, it
helps as you're saying
00:23:18.93\00:23:22.90
that it helps with
blood pressure. - True. How it
00:23:22.96\00:23:27.17
helps is by
clearing the arteries. So,
00:23:27.24\00:23:29.50
generally, we tell
people to take it three
00:23:29.60\00:23:32.91
months and then leave
it, not to continue it,
00:23:32.97\00:23:36.44
because if you
just take three months
00:23:36.51\00:23:38.35
on the arteries,
they get cleared. For some
00:23:38.41\00:23:41.38
people, we have to add
a few of the herbs that
00:23:41.48\00:23:44.49
help to clear the
arteries; but ginger,
00:23:44.55\00:23:46.45
garlic, cayenne, and
lime take care of it.
00:23:46.55\00:23:49.26
- Okay. Ginger,
garlic, cayenne, and lime.
00:23:49.32\00:23:52.13
- We don't heat
it- just raw. It has to
00:23:52.19\00:23:55.33
be made fresh every
morning, and we tell
00:23:55.40\00:23:58.50
them to drink. We
have seen excellent results
00:23:58.60\00:24:01.20
with that-
arteries being cleared and
00:24:01.27\00:24:03.14
blood pressure coming
down. So, first, I told
00:24:03.20\00:24:07.24
you about the changes
in diet, more in magnesium
00:24:07.31\00:24:10.51
and potassium, the
second is clearing the arteries,
00:24:10.58\00:24:12.98
and the third part
is, what happens is some
00:24:13.05\00:24:17.02
people, because of a
high sodium diet, the
00:24:17.09\00:24:20.86
blood volume
increases. Let me explain. Now,
00:24:20.96\00:24:25.56
generally, the
capacity of blood our heart and
00:24:25.63\00:24:30.13
blood vessels can hold
is about 5 liters of blood.
00:24:30.23\00:24:33.57
- About 5 liters. -
Yeah. But when you take a lot
00:24:33.64\00:24:36.77
of salt, the blood
draws the water and
00:24:36.94\00:24:41.34
keeps it, so the
volume increases. The blood
00:24:41.41\00:24:43.85
volume increases. - Oh,
so you start having more
00:24:43.95\00:24:46.82
blood. - Not more blood...
- More water in it? - Yeah,
00:24:46.85\00:24:50.15
more water in the blood.
- Oh, okay. - Which means
00:24:50.22\00:24:53.42
this leads to high
blood pressure. - Oh, okay.
00:24:54.39\00:25:00.20
- So now, you have
to get rid of the water
00:25:00.26\00:25:01.73
to release the
blood pressure. So that's
00:25:02.46\00:25:05.43
why, generally, physicians,
they give diuretics. So,
00:25:05.50\00:25:10.34
what we do is, we give
natural diuretics: like
00:25:10.41\00:25:13.91
for example, corn silk. -
Corn silk. - That's right.
00:25:13.98\00:25:18.11
So, we just take some
corn silk, make tea out
00:25:18.21\00:25:20.92
of it, and give it
to our patients. Then,
00:25:20.98\00:25:24.05
you see the fluids
coming out. - Okay.
00:25:24.12\00:25:26.35
So before you go any
further, I'm going to
00:25:26.42\00:25:29.06
put this together in
my head. Usually, when you
00:25:29.12\00:25:31.03
start getting more
water in your blood, you have
00:25:31.09\00:25:33.19
to find a way to
dispense of the water to get the
00:25:33.26\00:25:35.80
water out of
your system, because I
00:25:35.86\00:25:37.37
think- I'm putting a
mental picture together
00:25:37.43\00:25:39.73
here. It's like
taking a balloon and you keep
00:25:39.83\00:25:43.74
filling it up, filling
it up, filling it up...
00:25:43.81\00:25:46.57
You create a lot more
pressure. You naturally
00:25:46.61\00:25:49.61
create a lot more
pressure, so that's
00:25:49.71\00:25:51.71
synonymous with the
blood pressure increasing;
00:25:51.78\00:25:54.92
it becomes very
sensitive. - Yeah. - That's why
00:25:55.02\00:25:57.62
people could be on
the border of having a
00:25:57.69\00:25:59.25
stroke. That's
because if your blood pressure
00:25:59.35\00:26:01.59
gets too high... And
so what you're saying,
00:26:01.66\00:26:04.29
because I want to go
back to the lifestyle
00:26:04.33\00:26:05.66
center here and
we're going to come back to
00:26:05.73\00:26:07.90
the remedy for diabetes,
then we're going to talk
00:26:07.93\00:26:10.57
about heart disease. -
Sure. - One of the reasons-
00:26:10.63\00:26:12.90
and I've been
listening carefully-is that you
00:26:12.97\00:26:15.80
include, as a
physician, you tend to go more
00:26:15.90\00:26:19.71
natural unless
medicine is imperative. - True.
00:26:19.77\00:26:24.01
- So, a lot of people
rather would just say,
00:26:24.08\00:26:26.72
"Doctor, give me
a prescription," and
00:26:26.78\00:26:29.02
they don't want to
change their lifestyle.
00:26:29.08\00:26:31.12
But what you're
saying is the greater benefit
00:26:31.15\00:26:32.49
is if you learn how
to change the way you
00:26:32.55\00:26:34.99
eat, the way you
live, what you put in your
00:26:35.06\00:26:36.89
body, and you tend
to do it more naturally,
00:26:36.93\00:26:39.49
the results are more
long-lasting than taking
00:26:39.59\00:26:42.56
a drug, unless, obviously,
it's necessary. - Now,
00:26:42.63\00:26:47.64
if you see... Generally,
as a physician, we are
00:26:47.70\00:26:52.14
trained more to
take care of the patient
00:26:52.24\00:26:55.24
from- okay. You make a
diagnosis of hypertension,
00:26:55.28\00:27:00.35
and then you say, "Okay,
you're hypertensive. These
00:27:00.45\00:27:03.85
are the drugs you
take." You know? We are trained
00:27:03.92\00:27:07.82
that way, which is
very good. We need that
00:27:07.89\00:27:10.09
training; it's
very important training
00:27:10.16\00:27:11.76
that we need. But the
other side, we are not
00:27:11.79\00:27:18.07
trained to look at
it. Like, "What has caused
00:27:18.13\00:27:21.54
this?" And in more
detail. Of course, we
00:27:21.64\00:27:26.37
do study a little
bit on that, but we don't
00:27:26.44\00:27:29.61
go into the depth of
it. But thank God for
00:27:29.68\00:27:32.91
the Bible. If you see
in the Bible, whenever
00:27:32.98\00:27:38.02
God has chosen a group
of people, He has chosen
00:27:38.12\00:27:42.89
them to educate them
as to how He has designed
00:27:42.96\00:27:46.49
us and what kind of
lifestyle He wants us
00:27:46.56\00:27:50.73
to adopt. Now, the
reason why He wants
00:27:50.80\00:27:54.54
us to adopt a
particular kind of lifestyle is
00:27:54.60\00:27:57.71
because He's the Creator.
He's a Designer. And so,
00:27:57.77\00:28:02.08
He knows from the
beginning to the end.
00:28:02.14\00:28:05.31
So, if you eat
this, He knows what will
00:28:05.41\00:28:07.72
happen. If you have
this lifestyle- what
00:28:07.75\00:28:10.49
would happen. He knows
everything. So, through
00:28:10.52\00:28:14.16
the Bible, He's
educating us. Now, that's what
00:28:14.26\00:28:17.09
He did to the Israelites.
He said, "Okay." When
00:28:17.16\00:28:20.10
He was bringing the
Israelites out of Egypt,
00:28:20.16\00:28:22.30
the first education He
gives is, "Let me change
00:28:23.13\00:28:25.93
your diet." Now, He
had to change their taste
00:28:26.03\00:28:28.90
buds, so He gave them
manna. Then after that,
00:28:28.94\00:28:32.47
if you see they
wanted the meat. - Right, the
00:28:32.54\00:28:35.64
quail. - And God
said, "No, that's not the
00:28:35.71\00:28:39.65
best for you. It's good
for you to get into this
00:28:39.71\00:28:42.45
kind of lifestyle."
But they wouldn't listen,
00:28:42.52\00:28:45.72
so they had to pay the
consequences. Now, Paul
00:28:46.49\00:28:49.52
talks about the
same incident and he says
00:28:49.62\00:28:53.43
that these things
happened for our examples. - Ah,
00:28:53.50\00:28:58.13
1 Corinthians 10. -
Yes, 1 Corinthians 10! So,
00:28:58.20\00:29:01.20
it applies to us
all. And I thank God for
00:29:01.30\00:29:04.27
this information, because
if you look, the quality of
00:29:04.34\00:29:08.94
meat has gone very bad
these days. - That's right.
00:29:09.01\00:29:13.25
- And the quality of
milk, the quality of egg...
00:29:13.35\00:29:16.42
Everything has gone
bad. I'm amazed how God has
00:29:16.48\00:29:20.62
put this information
in the Bible. And when
00:29:20.69\00:29:23.73
we apply this kind of
lifestyle, we reap the
00:29:23.79\00:29:27.60
benefits. So, I started
to explore the other side,
00:29:27.66\00:29:33.97
like, "Okay, why is
the Bible saying this? Does
00:29:34.77\00:29:38.54
it really work?" -
Cause and effect. - Cause and
00:29:38.64\00:29:41.08
effect. "Is it scientifically
right?" Now, I'm amazed
00:29:41.14\00:29:44.48
to see the research that
is coming out these days.
00:29:44.58\00:29:49.62
Lifestyle,
lifestyle, and lifestyle - I see
00:29:50.25\00:29:55.59
the same kind of lifestyle
God is telling us to adopt!
00:29:55.66\00:29:58.49
- That's right. -
Yeah. Also, I had a lot of
00:29:58.56\00:30:03.16
questions when I came
into medical practice as
00:30:03.23\00:30:06.33
to, if God is
really loving, why should
00:30:06.40\00:30:10.81
people suffer from so
many kinds of diseases?
00:30:10.91\00:30:14.21
You know, when
you're with patients all the
00:30:14.28\00:30:16.71
time, seeing
patients, you also get sick and
00:30:16.78\00:30:19.61
feel bad how
people are suffering from
00:30:19.68\00:30:22.08
various kinds of diseases.
So, I had these questions,
00:30:22.15\00:30:24.32
then I started my
search. Then I saw in the Bible,
00:30:25.05\00:30:28.32
it says in John... I
think it's 3 John 1:2.
00:30:28.39\00:30:34.66
It says, "Beloved, I
wish above all things
00:30:34.76\00:30:36.63
that you be in
good health." So then I
00:30:36.67\00:30:38.70
learned what's in
the mind of Christ. Then
00:30:38.77\00:30:41.64
even if you see
in Ezekiel 18:32, it
00:30:41.70\00:30:46.27
says God says, "I have
no pleasure in him that
00:30:46.34\00:30:50.38
dieth." So, I know
God will not say lies,
00:30:50.48\00:30:54.48
and I came to know
that this is God's mindset
00:30:54.55\00:30:57.72
that He wants us to be
in good health. - And in
00:30:57.75\00:31:00.36
John 10:10. - Yeah. -
Have life more abundantly.
00:31:00.42\00:31:02.59
- That's right. So
that's very clear! Then the
00:31:02.69\00:31:07.26
next point...then why
diseases? Then we have
00:31:07.33\00:31:11.27
that information also
in the Bible, in Psalms
00:31:11.37\00:31:13.50
103:3. It says, "He
forgiveth thy sins and
00:31:15.30\00:31:20.61
healeth thy disease."
So, there is a connection
00:31:20.71\00:31:23.55
between sin and
disease. So, sin and disease are
00:31:23.65\00:31:29.45
closely connected.
Now, we have to explore in
00:31:29.52\00:31:33.69
this area. What
kind of sin causes what
00:31:33.76\00:31:38.03
kind of disease?
And we have to explore.
00:31:38.09\00:31:40.93
And as Christians, we
have this responsibility
00:31:41.53\00:31:45.70
to explore into it and
to help people. - That's
00:31:45.80\00:31:48.64
true, and that makes
sense, because everything
00:31:48.70\00:31:50.61
has an effect. Every
cause is followed by an
00:31:50.67\00:31:54.84
effect. Everything you
do... I think the phrase
00:31:54.88\00:31:57.01
I learned in school,
which we all learned,
00:31:57.11\00:31:59.31
"For every action,
there is an equal and
00:31:59.35\00:32:01.72
opposite reaction."
So, we can't treat the body
00:32:01.78\00:32:05.05
hap-hazardly and
callously and think
00:32:05.95\00:32:09.42
that it's going to
work perfectly fine, and it
00:32:09.49\00:32:12.13
makes a difference in
our lifestyle. So, if you
00:32:12.19\00:32:16.33
think of the society
we live in today, society
00:32:16.36\00:32:19.23
around us doesn't really
live by those principles,
00:32:19.30\00:32:22.10
because they pretty much
force on us the capitalistic
00:32:22.20\00:32:25.74
approach. They want
to just make money, so
00:32:25.84\00:32:28.88
they don't really
think about, in many cases,
00:32:28.91\00:32:30.85
how we're supposed to
eat. - The other thing,
00:32:30.88\00:32:32.45
why people generally
don't believe in these
00:32:32.51\00:32:35.68
things is they
say, "Oh, it's genetic."
00:32:35.75\00:32:38.42
My father, my
mother had diabetes, and my
00:32:38.49\00:32:42.66
parents had heart
disease. So, I will
00:32:42.76\00:32:45.49
also have it, so I
have to deal with it... No.
00:32:45.59\00:32:49.23
That's not the way. Now,
of course, yes; the Bible
00:32:49.26\00:32:53.77
says if you see in
Numbers chapter 14 verse 18,
00:32:53.84\00:33:00.31
it says that the
children suffer the consequences
00:33:00.38\00:33:04.35
of the mistakes the
father and the mother have done.
00:33:04.48\00:33:07.62
- Right. - So, that's
why there is a genetic
00:33:07.68\00:33:11.09
predisposition. If
the parents have diabetes,
00:33:11.15\00:33:13.36
children definitely
have a high chance of getting
00:33:13.42\00:33:15.32
diabetes, because the
choices they have made
00:33:15.42\00:33:18.83
are not only going to
affect them; it's going
00:33:18.93\00:33:21.16
to affect the next generation.
So, that puts a tremendous
00:33:21.23\00:33:24.43
amount of responsibility
on us. - I'm glad you
00:33:24.53\00:33:26.90
said that. -
Because what our lifestyle
00:33:26.97\00:33:30.97
practices that we
have, it is recorded in our
00:33:31.04\00:33:33.88
genes and we transmit
to the next generation.
00:33:33.94\00:33:36.91
So, it's a lot of
responsibility on us,
00:33:36.95\00:33:38.95
so that is true.
The Bible says so. But
00:33:38.98\00:33:43.22
also, if you see in
Exodus chapter 18 verse 9,
00:33:43.28\00:33:47.19
it's a wonderful
promise for all of us. It says,
00:33:48.82\00:33:51.59
"Though you may
have your bond with this
00:33:52.26\00:33:54.83
genetic weakness,
don't worry; if you obey Me
00:33:54.90\00:33:57.73
and keep My law, you
can live." - Okay, so
00:33:57.77\00:34:01.04
He's offering a remedy.
- Exactly. So now, what's
00:34:01.10\00:34:04.51
the remedy? Okay, say,
"Thank You, Lord. There
00:34:04.61\00:34:08.21
is a plan for me,
there is an escape. So
00:34:08.31\00:34:10.11
what's the remedy? And
even that, we have it in
00:34:10.18\00:34:12.45
the Bible. So see
Ezekiel 47:12, it says, "And the
00:34:12.55\00:34:17.45
leaves of the tree
offer healing of nations." So,
00:34:17.49\00:34:20.59
there is a clue
there. There is a principle
00:34:20.66\00:34:22.79
God has again- so, the
leaves are for healing.
00:34:22.86\00:34:25.46
Let's go back to
Genesis chapter 3:18 where,
00:34:27.06\00:34:31.73
right after sin, God
is introducing another
00:34:31.77\00:34:36.64
diet in man's life.
He's saying, "Eat the herb."
00:34:36.71\00:34:40.14
Now, generally in our
mindset, when you say,
00:34:40.78\00:34:44.65
"herb," that means
it's a medicinal plant. No!
00:34:44.71\00:34:48.52
So, 'herb' is
basically a non-woody plant.
00:34:49.28\00:34:52.29
- Hmm, say that again?
- Non-woody plant. - Okay.
00:34:52.39\00:34:55.46
- Which means it can
be the root of the herb,
00:34:56.73\00:34:59.33
it can be the product
of the herb, it can be
00:34:59.39\00:35:02.23
the herb itself, or it
can be the flower of the
00:35:02.30\00:35:04.57
herb. So basically,
God introduced a vegetable
00:35:04.63\00:35:08.87
diet. He told us to eat
the vegetables after sin.
00:35:08.94\00:35:12.61
Now, the reason why He's
saying that is because we
00:35:14.18\00:35:16.04
know that vegetables
have healing properties.
00:35:16.14\00:35:20.78
There are different
kinds of leaves, green, leafy
00:35:20.88\00:35:23.55
vegetables, greens that
have healing properties.
00:35:23.62\00:35:27.32
Once I started to explore
in these things how these
00:35:28.52\00:35:33.13
leaves have healing
properties, I was amazed.
00:35:33.19\00:35:35.60
For example, as I
told you, Indians are more
00:35:35.66\00:35:41.60
prone to diabetes.
Now, in London, in a medical
00:35:41.67\00:35:46.81
college, they did
a research and they
00:35:46.88\00:35:48.94
found out that one of
the common leaves that
00:35:49.01\00:35:51.85
we use in our country
is called curry leaves.
00:35:51.91\00:35:54.15
- Yes. - And if you
just take a handful of curry
00:35:54.22\00:35:57.65
leaves, your
chances of becoming diabetic
00:35:57.72\00:36:01.52
drastically comes
down. There's been a study.
00:36:01.62\00:36:04.46
Now we see the reason
why God has introduced
00:36:06.56\00:36:09.63
all these things in our
lifestyle. - Now, I like
00:36:09.73\00:36:12.90
curry, and it's
amazing that you mention that,
00:36:12.97\00:36:15.74
because it's a
very common thing in the
00:36:15.80\00:36:18.51
Indian society. So now,
let me ask this question.
00:36:18.57\00:36:21.91
I'm going to kind
of... try to combine it
00:36:22.01\00:36:24.08
together. It doesn't
mean that because you
00:36:24.15\00:36:26.35
use curry, you could
still ignore the impact
00:36:26.41\00:36:30.29
of a heavy meat
diet; that means you should
00:36:30.39\00:36:33.36
still try to avoid
those other aspects that we
00:36:33.39\00:36:37.93
talked about
earlier. - Yeah. Now, curry is
00:36:37.99\00:36:41.13
different; curry leaves
are different. - Oh, okay.
00:36:41.26\00:36:45.37
Thank you. - Curry is
basically where we add
00:36:45.43\00:36:48.10
a lot of spices and
make it, but what I'm saying
00:36:48.17\00:36:51.37
is about curry
leaves. - Curry leaves. Okay.
00:36:51.44\00:36:54.34
- It's a leaf off a
small tree, and that is very
00:36:55.61\00:37:00.08
beneficial for
diabetes. - How do you eat curry
00:37:00.15\00:37:02.72
leaves? How do you
include it? - What I
00:37:02.82\00:37:05.05
recommend is, to my patients,
to take a handful of curry
00:37:05.12\00:37:07.96
leaves and just chew it.
- Hmm! - In Indian society,
00:37:08.02\00:37:12.26
we make a kind of
sauce with that which we
00:37:12.33\00:37:17.20
generally like to
take with rice. - Like?
00:37:17.27\00:37:20.67
- Yeah,? that's
right! - I'm an Indian
00:37:20.74\00:37:24.01
connoisseur; I love
Indian food. But that's
00:37:24.07\00:37:26.74
interesting,
because we have- so now-
00:37:26.78\00:37:28.61
going back to the diabetes.
We talked about some of
00:37:28.68\00:37:31.08
the ways of dealing with
hypertension. We're going
00:37:31.11\00:37:33.05
to go over to heart
disease in a moment.
00:37:33.11\00:37:34.45
But if a person wants
to start handling their
00:37:34.48\00:37:37.02
diabetes, or some of
the things that help some
00:37:37.09\00:37:39.92
hypertension also
true in helping diabetes?
00:37:39.99\00:37:42.42
- Yeah. Definitely.
Now, coming back to diabetes,
00:37:42.52\00:37:45.59
one of the most important
things that they have to
00:37:45.69\00:37:48.50
do is they have to make a
good meal plan. - Oh, okay.
00:37:48.56\00:37:52.43
- Now, I can give two
or three good tips that
00:37:52.50\00:37:57.61
can help in the
diabetic control. Number 1 is
00:37:57.67\00:38:02.98
you have to make a good
meal plan. That is, your
00:38:04.45\00:38:07.78
breakfast has to
be heavy, lunch has to
00:38:07.88\00:38:10.49
be lighter than the
breakfast, and dinner
00:38:10.55\00:38:12.69
has to be very
light. So, generally, people
00:38:12.75\00:38:17.76
come to me and say, "Doctor,
once I become a diabetic, I
00:38:17.83\00:38:20.76
will stop from
taking fruits." Then I said,
00:38:20.83\00:38:23.93
"Don't worry. You can
have fruits, but fruits
00:38:23.97\00:38:27.74
have to be a
separate meal." So, I tell my
00:38:27.90\00:38:32.71
patients to take the
fruit for dinner, and
00:38:32.77\00:38:35.74
they say, "No, Doctor!
If I take fruits, my sugar
00:38:35.81\00:38:37.91
will go high!" I
said, "Okay, no problem. You
00:38:37.98\00:38:41.08
just take your fruits
and see their fasting sugar."
00:38:41.18\00:38:44.22
So they take the
fruits and then they see the
00:38:44.32\00:38:46.12
fasting sugar.
"Doctor, my sugar has not gone
00:38:46.19\00:38:48.32
high!" I say, "Yeah."
But if you eat something
00:38:48.36\00:38:53.03
else with your
fruits, your sugar is going
00:38:53.13\00:38:55.20
to go high. Now,
fruit is easy to digest, and
00:38:55.26\00:38:59.60
fruit has
fructose, so you don't need
00:38:59.67\00:39:03.34
insulin to metabolize
that. So, it's good to
00:39:03.47\00:39:05.84
have fruits for dinner
because it's much lighter
00:39:05.94\00:39:08.34
and it gets easily
digested. So, the meal
00:39:08.38\00:39:12.21
plan has to be
in place. Breakfast,
00:39:12.25\00:39:14.45
heavy; lunch,
light; and dinner, very
00:39:14.52\00:39:16.95
light. Or if they can
go on two meals, that's
00:39:16.99\00:39:20.12
the best; but I
don't advise two meals for
00:39:20.16\00:39:22.59
people who are hard-working,
like who does agriculture
00:39:22.62\00:39:26.06
or labor, physical
labor. So, I advise
00:39:26.13\00:39:30.57
them to go on a three-meal
[a day] diet. But otherwise, if
00:39:30.60\00:39:33.44
it's office work
and sedentary lifestyle,
00:39:33.50\00:39:36.14
two meals would be
the best. - Okay, because
00:39:36.20\00:39:38.01
you're burning less
fuel. - That's right, sir. So,
00:39:38.07\00:39:41.88
that is the first
point. The second point is,
00:39:41.94\00:39:45.01
don't take refined
food. When I say refined food,
00:39:46.38\00:39:49.18
I mean any food
that's made with white rice
00:39:49.25\00:39:53.19
or white flour. So
what are the foods that are
00:39:53.25\00:39:56.42
made with white
flour? The bread, the pastas,
00:39:56.52\00:39:59.49
the noodles... All these
things are made with white
00:39:59.56\00:40:03.43
flour. - What if
you get spinach noodles?
00:40:03.50\00:40:05.57
- Spinach- but have
they made it with whole
00:40:06.23\00:40:09.10
wheat? - Okay, whole
wheat. - Yeah, so the
00:40:09.17\00:40:10.97
whole wheat should
be- that's very important.
00:40:11.04\00:40:12.91
So, be careful
about refined food and all
00:40:12.97\00:40:18.51
those things. The
third thing is, it would be a
00:40:18.61\00:40:22.85
good decision if somebody
can leave the animal food
00:40:22.88\00:40:28.56
out of this-yeah,
animal products-out of the
00:40:28.62\00:40:30.49
body. Now, if
you're leaving the animal
00:40:30.56\00:40:33.06
products, it's
very, very important that
00:40:33.13\00:40:37.07
you substitute by adequate
nuts and protein. That is,
00:40:37.87\00:40:43.41
protein from legumes.
- Okay. Beans... - Yeah,
00:40:44.77\00:40:49.94
beans. Yeah. That's
very, very important.
00:40:50.05\00:40:52.38
You have to
substitute that; otherwise, you
00:40:52.48\00:40:54.62
can go weaker. So, if
you can- they can talk
00:40:54.68\00:40:59.09
with their doctor
or a nutritionist where
00:40:59.15\00:41:02.16
they will advise
what would be the best for
00:41:02.19\00:41:04.96
them. - You know, it's
interesting you mention
00:41:05.03\00:41:06.49
that, because
sometimes, people say, "Well, I
00:41:06.53\00:41:08.13
can't go without
meat! I have to have meat!"
00:41:08.20\00:41:11.20
Well, then you think
of the cows who are huge
00:41:11.23\00:41:13.87
animals, but they eat
pretty much vegetation.
00:41:14.00\00:41:18.71
- True. - And you
look at some of the larger
00:41:18.81\00:41:20.54
animals- the gorilla.
Even some of the larger
00:41:20.61\00:41:24.15
creatures in the seas
are primarily vegetarians.
00:41:24.18\00:41:27.65
They don't eat meat;
they don't include that
00:41:27.68\00:41:30.15
as a staple in their
diet. So, it's possible
00:41:30.22\00:41:33.39
to get your proteins,
your... And you mentioned
00:41:33.46\00:41:37.29
something a moment
ago I want to talk about.
00:41:37.36\00:41:38.89
You said, "If
you're going to eat fruits,
00:41:38.93\00:41:40.76
don't combine it."
With ...what? Don't combine
00:41:40.80\00:41:44.27
it with what? - Generally,
people like to have bread
00:41:44.33\00:41:47.00
then fruit or some rice
and fruit... No. Fruit has
00:41:47.07\00:41:51.67
to be separate. -
So separate digestion
00:41:51.71\00:41:53.58
process? - Yep. - Because
one of them lengthens the
00:41:53.68\00:41:56.95
process of digestion;
the other one slows it
00:41:57.01\00:41:58.91
down. - Yeah, that
is true. Also, you don't
00:41:59.01\00:42:02.85
load your body with
a lot of carbohydrates
00:42:02.95\00:42:05.45
at the same time. - Oh,
carbs and fruits. - Yeah.
00:42:05.52\00:42:08.19
So, it's good to have
fruits separately. Then,
00:42:08.26\00:42:12.23
the other thing
is, diabetes patients-
00:42:12.29\00:42:15.93
it would be nice if
they could get most of their
00:42:16.00\00:42:19.80
nutrients from legumes,
from fruits, from vegetables,
00:42:19.87\00:42:26.17
and from nuts and
seeds and less from grains,
00:42:27.08\00:42:31.18
like wheats or rice
or oats. You know? Take
00:42:31.35\00:42:36.69
that less, and more
of vegetables, more of
00:42:36.75\00:42:39.39
legumes. - I get you.
Now, I want to capitalize
00:42:39.45\00:42:43.22
on, before we get
to heart disease, we're
00:42:43.32\00:42:46.66
going to talk about
some of your medical center.
00:42:46.70\00:42:49.60
It's called the AG Hospital
& Lifestyle Center. What
00:42:49.73\00:42:56.20
does AG stand for? -
For us, it's Almighty God
00:42:56.30\00:43:00.18
Hospital. [laughter]
- I like that. Almighty
00:43:00.21\00:43:03.28
God. And why did you
choose that name? - Actually,
00:43:03.35\00:43:06.11
my father-in-law was
running the hospital.
00:43:06.15\00:43:09.95
Of course, it has
family name meaning attached
00:43:10.02\00:43:13.89
to it; it means
Amaliana Sundaram. That's
00:43:13.92\00:43:16.52
the family name.
Yeah. It has dual meaning,
00:43:16.59\00:43:21.80
because it's a family
hospital, so it has that
00:43:22.43\00:43:25.07
name. And it also
means to us, "Almighty God
00:43:25.13\00:43:28.00
Hospital." - Okay.
Ordained and directed
00:43:28.07\00:43:30.14
and kept alive,
kept going, by God. You
00:43:30.17\00:43:33.31
have... Let's talk about
some of the other treatments.
00:43:33.34\00:43:35.18
You have medical
missionary training
00:43:35.21\00:43:40.12
included. Talk
about some of the other
00:43:40.22\00:43:41.58
components, because
not only do you focus
00:43:41.65\00:43:43.95
on diabetes, hypertension,
and heart disease cures
00:43:44.02\00:43:47.49
in a natural way,
but some of the other
00:43:47.59\00:43:49.89
things that you
include and are part of the AG
00:43:49.92\00:43:54.10
Hospital & Lifestyle Center.
- As I just mentioned to you,
00:43:54.16\00:44:00.40
we have a treatment
program for patients.
00:44:00.50\00:44:02.70
And when people come
to us, we take the history
00:44:02.84\00:44:05.71
and we work up the
case, and we write treatment
00:44:05.81\00:44:09.51
programs specifically
that works for them.
00:44:09.61\00:44:11.78
We have grown into
this knowledge and we
00:44:12.58\00:44:15.92
still have so much to
grow in this knowledge.
00:44:15.95\00:44:17.69
We have a research
team that works and
00:44:17.75\00:44:20.79
researches this
material. And now, we want to
00:44:20.89\00:44:25.36
disseminate this information
so many can benefit. So,
00:44:25.43\00:44:29.06
that's why we have a
training program where
00:44:30.20\00:44:32.63
we train young
people as to how we handle
00:44:32.73\00:44:35.60
these patients and how
they can help, they can
00:44:35.67\00:44:38.77
advise people to
follow this kind of diet and
00:44:38.84\00:44:42.08
lifestyle. One of
the other reasons why we
00:44:42.14\00:44:46.58
opt for this is
because the treatments that
00:44:46.61\00:44:49.68
we suggest to people
are economical, easily
00:44:49.75\00:44:54.19
available, and it
works very well. - You also
00:44:54.29\00:44:56.96
include helping them
think differently, so
00:44:57.03\00:44:58.83
you include
counseling, because you can make
00:44:58.89\00:45:01.56
a person healthy,
but then if they go back
00:45:01.63\00:45:03.06
and continue the
way they lived before...
00:45:03.13\00:45:04.70
So you include counseling
also in your lifestyle
00:45:04.77\00:45:07.10
center. - Very
true. Now, that's a very
00:45:07.17\00:45:09.64
important part of
the treatment, because we
00:45:09.74\00:45:13.58
all have certain
habits that are formed over
00:45:13.74\00:45:16.38
years, it's very
difficult to break, and we have
00:45:16.51\00:45:19.21
our likes that we
cannot change. So, we tell them
00:45:19.31\00:45:23.72
how important it is
to go to God to help
00:45:23.79\00:45:27.99
them to change what they
like. That's what the gospel
00:45:28.02\00:45:30.56
is all about! The
gospel is the power of God that
00:45:30.63\00:45:33.53
can change what we
like. - Or a be transformed
00:45:33.60\00:45:36.63
by the renewing of
your mind. That's good. And
00:45:36.73\00:45:40.04
also, you include treatments
for things like arthritis,
00:45:40.10\00:45:44.07
cirrhosis,
ulcers, hepatitis... These
00:45:44.11\00:45:49.44
are all- because
there are so many prevalent
00:45:49.51\00:45:51.21
diseases that are included
in the medical practice-
00:45:51.28\00:45:57.39
or the remedies, I
should say. - Yeah. We
00:45:57.49\00:46:00.86
kind of treat
different kinds of cases, as you
00:46:00.92\00:46:04.43
just mentioned: hepatitis,
cancers, and arthritis.
00:46:04.49\00:46:09.03
It's interesting how
God has helped His people to
00:46:10.40\00:46:14.17
come out of the condition.
Now, yes- we have seen
00:46:14.30\00:46:18.51
a lot of miracles
happening. Just because somebody
00:46:18.64\00:46:21.88
was cured of
cancer... We have had patients,
00:46:21.98\00:46:24.88
4th stage cancer getting
all right. Now, that doesn't
00:46:25.01\00:46:28.02
mean we have the treatment
for cancer. - Right. - Now,
00:46:28.12\00:46:33.69
what I believe is...
What is the role of a
00:46:33.79\00:46:36.06
physician? The role
of a physician is to
00:46:36.12\00:46:39.93
take people to the
source of healing. Now, God is
00:46:40.06\00:46:44.07
a source of healing.
I like to apply this to
00:46:44.17\00:46:46.67
myself. The person
with palsy. He was not able
00:46:46.77\00:46:50.74
to walk, so there were
four people who carried
00:46:50.84\00:46:55.88
him to Jesus, brought
him through the roof...
00:46:55.94\00:47:01.95
Now, we as physicians
are the people who carry
00:47:02.05\00:47:06.02
the patient to Jesus.
So, there was a certain rule
00:47:06.09\00:47:10.63
those people had to
follow. They had to get ready
00:47:10.73\00:47:12.86
with a cloth, a
stick, food preparation for
00:47:12.99\00:47:16.13
the journey, and plan
how to get him to Jesus,
00:47:16.26\00:47:19.97
because this is
the Source of healing.
00:47:20.04\00:47:22.50
So, that's our work.
God has given certain
00:47:22.64\00:47:26.21
things in our hands. He
said, "Natural remedies,
00:47:26.31\00:47:28.28
hydrotherapy..." He said
all these things, so these
00:47:28.41\00:47:31.35
are the things that we
have to do and say, "God,
00:47:31.45\00:47:33.72
now You heal." -
That's right. So that's why,
00:47:33.75\00:47:35.88
in your practice,
you have a three-pronged
00:47:36.02\00:47:38.25
approach. Physical...
- Mental, and spiritual.
00:47:38.35\00:47:42.29
- Okay. Physical,
mental, and spiritual. Dealing
00:47:42.39\00:47:45.19
with the things that
happened to the body,
00:47:45.26\00:47:46.73
dealing with the
attitude of the mind, and also
00:47:46.83\00:47:49.50
bringing them to Jesus. -
Yeah. It is very important
00:47:49.56\00:47:52.97
to understand this,
because unless you are
00:47:53.10\00:47:56.67
physically strong,
you cannot be mentally
00:47:56.74\00:47:59.61
strong. - That's right.
- Unless you are mentally
00:47:59.71\00:48:01.04
strong, you cannot
be spiritually strong.
00:48:01.08\00:48:04.51
- Very good. - Now,
which develops first
00:48:04.58\00:48:07.38
in a newborn baby?
First is the physical
00:48:07.45\00:48:11.12
to develop, and then the
mental develops, and then
00:48:11.22\00:48:14.39
the spiritual
develops. So, if a person is
00:48:14.46\00:48:18.73
physically
affected, he has maybe a high
00:48:18.79\00:48:22.66
fever or some
physical condition... You can't
00:48:22.73\00:48:27.50
say, "Come, let me
teach you something about
00:48:27.60\00:48:29.30
health." "Just leave
me alone. You know I'm
00:48:29.37\00:48:31.87
not doing well." So the
physical has to be strong
00:48:31.94\00:48:34.18
for the mental to be
strong. When the mental
00:48:34.24\00:48:36.75
is strong, then the
spiritual also gets...
00:48:36.81\00:48:41.15
So, this is very
important and what
00:48:41.18\00:48:43.25
we emphasize in our
program. - It's good
00:48:43.32\00:48:46.22
that we didn't get a
lot of time on heart disease
00:48:46.29\00:48:48.69
today, but that's
something we're going
00:48:48.72\00:48:50.76
to make sure that
those who are watching
00:48:50.83\00:48:52.16
and listening to
the program will get the
00:48:52.19\00:48:54.00
information they
need to contact Dr. Enoch
00:48:54.03\00:48:56.46
Sundaram to find out
more about it. But you
00:48:56.56\00:48:59.03
also have hydrotherapy.
You include that also.
00:48:59.10\00:49:04.11
So it's a very well-rounded
medical hospital & lifestyle
00:49:04.21\00:49:09.48
center. And I like
the word 'hospital' and
00:49:09.54\00:49:11.91
'lifestyle.' You deal
with the medicine when
00:49:11.95\00:49:14.35
it's needed, but most
of your approach is natural
00:49:14.45\00:49:18.75
remedies. - Because
medicines are scientific.
00:49:18.85\00:49:21.76
Based on science,
it's given; but what God
00:49:21.82\00:49:25.99
is saying... "I have
a better method." So,
00:49:26.06\00:49:28.43
it is basically, we
have to help people to walk
00:49:28.46\00:49:31.07
to the better
method step-by-step. - It's
00:49:31.13\00:49:34.24
amazing, this
information that we talked about
00:49:34.30\00:49:36.57
today; it's very
good news, and I want to
00:49:36.60\00:49:39.17
let our viewers and
our listeners know that the
00:49:39.27\00:49:41.48
news is very good.
What I want to do is I want
00:49:41.54\00:49:43.68
to give you the information
that you need, the address
00:49:43.75\00:49:45.91
that you need, to get
in touch with Dr. Enoch
00:49:45.98\00:49:48.48
Sundaram. And then
right after that, you're going
00:49:48.55\00:49:51.19
to listen to a song by
Kendol Bacchus which kind
00:49:51.25\00:49:54.89
of summarizes the
program today. After that song,
00:49:54.92\00:49:57.66
we'll come back on
the other side of our news
00:49:57.73\00:50:00.60
break for some closing
thoughts. But the song's
00:50:00.70\00:50:02.60
entitled,
"Ain't That Good News."
00:50:02.66\00:50:05.67
- For more information
on Dr. Enoch, you may
00:50:07.60\00:50:10.61
contact him in
India. His email address is:
00:50:10.71\00:50:13.88