I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words Let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends,
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang
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and I have to my
left my co-pilot.
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Good to have you here, honey.
Yeah, I am so happy to be here.
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I am excited
about today's program.
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Wow. It's gonna be a...
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What will I say?
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Eye opener. Eye opener.
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Heart opener. Yeah.
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Doors will be opened to victory.
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Doors will be shut to defeat.
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And we are so excited.
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This is not a program
that you wanna turn away.
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You might like our outfits,
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that's not why we
want you to stay tuned
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because this topic
is very informative,
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but a very serious topic, honey.
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Yeah.
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Very timely for
our generation. Yes.
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And so you might wanna
gather your family together.
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If you're married
and your wife is home,
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your husband is home,
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hey, sit down together
and listen to the program
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because I am sure, right, honey?
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I am positive. That
what this topic is about.
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Whether you're pastor,
whether you're a lay member,
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whether you are not involved
in any kind of ministry,
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you may have
just become married,
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you may have been
married for a long time,
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everybody is
included in the program.
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You may be a college
student or high school student,
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this topic covers every avenue.
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I'm amazed.
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We're not gonna cover all of it,
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but we're gonna touch
some very key areas today.
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So, the program is
called "Uncompromised."
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We live in an
uncompromised world, don't we?
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In so many areas,
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and we're not talking
about financial compromising.
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But you'll find out in
just a moment so do stay tuned.
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If you can, you might
wanna hit the record button
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so that you can
share the program
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and before we get to our music,
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we wanna thank
you for your prayers
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and your financial
support of this network.
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3ABN is dedicated
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to an undiluted
three angels' messages
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and this topic is undiluted
because so many people are...
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We're living in a world
that's continually attacking us
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morally,
spiritually, socially, mentally
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and this
program talks about ways
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that we can be victorious,
obviously not on our own,
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but through the Word of Christ
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and through the power
He makes available to us
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uncompromised.
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So thank you for all
that you do for this network
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but, honey, we
have some music today.
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Yeah, Message of Mercy.
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So, what, is this a quintet?
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This is five women, yeah.
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Five women, they gonna
be singing a song called
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"Whispers to Your Heart."
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There is a still small voice
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That carries up
of the worldly noise
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He brings to you
the knowledge of truth
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Can you hear it?
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When the Spirit
whispers to your heart
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Holy Spirit rain on us
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Teach us to be holy
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Comfort and sustain us
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Fill us with grace and peace
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There is a gentle one
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A comforter sent from the Son
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A messenger of an undying love
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Can you hear it?
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When the Spirit
whispers to your heart
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Holy Spirit rain on us
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Teach us to be holy
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Comfort and sustain us
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Fill us with grace and peace
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Inside and with
all the blessings above
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From the heavenly
King From the heavenly King
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The source of shelter
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Holy Spirit rain on us
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Teach us to be holy
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Comfort and sustain us
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Fill us with grace and peace
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Holy Spirit rain on us
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Teach us to be holy
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Comfort and sustain us
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Fill us with grace and peace
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Thank you for
that wonderful song.
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Wasn't it nice, honey? Yes.
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And this is a
good transitional point
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because we're talking
about whispers to your heart.
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But they're also
whispers of the heart.
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And right now we want
to take an opportunity
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to go ahead and
introduce our guests today.
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Don and Lisa Sawvel,
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Sawvel, am I
saying that correct?
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Good to have you here. Yes.
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Thanks for having us.
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You know, this is not
our first time meeting,
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we met at,
there was something...
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At a church. At our church.
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Your church, yes.
That was the last year?
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Well, one year ago.
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One year ago.
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Donna Willey gave a program.
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Yeah. Yes.
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But we're glad
that you're here today
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to talk about a
very important topic.
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The topic your ministry
is called UNcompromised.
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Yes.
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And, but we want
to find out kind of...
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About you.
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Yeah, find about
you, tell us who you are,
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where you're from, and
kind of what you do right now?
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Okay, we're very,
we're very busy people.
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We both work full time.
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And we really have a ministry
that's full time as well.
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So... Wow.
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It keeps us quite busy.
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But I'm an actual truck driver,
it's what I do every day.
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Drive semi and do local work,
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so that we can do our
ministry in the evenings
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and on weekends,
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and Lisa, what do you do?
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I am a physical therapy tech.
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And what that
really means right now
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is that I work
at the front desk.
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So I love people.
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And as long as I
can be around people,
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I'm happy,
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and I wanna show them
Jesus as much as I can.
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So, yeah.
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And I'm also on the
women's ministry board
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to the Michigan Conference
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and that's where
UNcompromised comes from.
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I'm the purity
facilitator for that ministry.
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Okay.
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What were you saying, honey?
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And, Don, you
were a pastor's kid,
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weren't you?
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Yes, I was
raised a preacher's kid.
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And my mom and
dad are both gone now.
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But as I grew up
back in that era,
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they moved pastors
every one to two years.
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They felt it was
better to keep them
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going from church to church
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and that developed
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something tough in my life.
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I was an introvert
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and to move to a
new school each year
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and to start over
and all new friends
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was not a good thing for me.
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I went to eight
schools in 12 years.
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Wow.
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So it was a tough start for me.
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I was also a third child, so...
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Middle.
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Yeah, middle child
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and I was picked on
by my older siblings so.
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Oh my, so you lived all
over the US about basically?
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Yes, yes.
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Was raised in Michigan initially
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and then went to the East Coast,
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West Coast, back
to the East Coast.
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Definitely jumped around.
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So your dad was almost
like an itinerary preacher,
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where are we gonna be next dad?
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And the family
was moving in that.
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So that shock
that you talked about
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was something
everybody was experiencing?
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Yes.
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So what did that do to you?
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What did that
created in your life?
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Well, early on,
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it created a
lot of insecurities.
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And by the time I
was in my early teens,
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I had discovered pornography,
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and...
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Satan makes me angry many times
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when I see what he
has done to a woman,
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and my view of a woman as a man,
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and how he has
used that in this world.
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But you know,
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as much as God has a plan
for every single one of us,
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Satan does and
he start studying us
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from when we're first born.
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And he was on a
mission to destroy me
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with my quietness
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and being an introvert
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and when I was
introduced to pornography,
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this was a way
that I could go inside
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and feel good about me.
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Self-medicate.
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And self-medicate myself
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without having to
interact with people.
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And so he started this process
in my life at an early age,
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and which carried on
into my first marriage
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as well as my second marriage.
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And so, so growing up
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having this
instability in your own life,
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being the son of a pastor,
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talk about how that
affected your marriage
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'cause you said that went,
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that happened in
my first marriage,
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my second marriage?
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My first
marriage, it was all secret.
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Of course,
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this is not something
you share with anyone.
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And that's why people say,
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well, what are you
doing on a television program
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that'll reach around the world?
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It's because it's
not about me anymore.
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It's not about Lisa
anymore. It's all about Jesus.
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Amen. Amen.
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It's all about
His amazing grace.
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But as a child, I
wanted to make my dad happy,
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as a preacher.
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And yet, I had this
sin developing in my life.
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Rejection over and over, I felt,
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and it just created a
perfect atmosphere for Satan
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to just take hold of me
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and develop
this in me to a depth
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that was way too deep
for me to even deal with.
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And, you know,
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I wanna use a
scripture here in Proverbs.
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Because early on,
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if I had
followed this scripture,
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it's Proverbs 3:5-7
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and I wish I
had, as a young man,
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being a pastor's kid had
paid attention to these words.
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And this is what it says,
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starting with
verse 5 in Proverbs 3,
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"Trust in the Lord
with all thine heart,
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and lean not unto
thine own understanding
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in all thy ways acknowledge Him,
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and He shall direct thy paths."
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And then verse 7,
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"Be not wise in thine own eyes,
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fear the Lord and
depart from evil."
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You see,
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too many times,
we're wise in our own eyes.
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We think, we've
got it in control,
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we know what should be done,
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and how to take
care of this issue.
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And it's not true. Right.
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We need to trust
in the Lord fully.
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And, you know,
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women get into
pornography as well.
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I did get into a
little pornography,
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even as a teenager,
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went to triple x
movies with boyfriends.
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And it never
became an addiction to me.
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But it is something
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that even when Don and
I first started dating,
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I noticed that he
had Playboy channel.
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And I said, "Oh,
again, let's watch that."
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Yeah.
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So, you know,
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I was raised in
an Adventist Church,
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as an Adventist Christian,
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and that stuff just comes in
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and, you know,
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it's almost like we separate God
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as our spiritual Father,
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and separate Him,
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like from our
sexuality all together.
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And I really
think that's because
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when we're being
raised in our families,
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and this is
happening everywhere,
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we talk about God,
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and we talk about
His love and everything,
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but we don't talk
to our kids about sex.
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We don't talk to them
at all about, it's like,
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no, just don't do it
until you're married.
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And that's all you get.
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So we separate God
out of that completely.
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And
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we feel like we can do whatever,
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because God's not in that.
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And the world will
teach the kids if you don't,
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the schools will teach them.
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Yes. That's right.
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It will teach them
at a very young age now,
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as kids having
phones at four and five,
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they are already on sites
that they should not be on.
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I saw a poster the
other day that said,
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"The devil has a
plan for your children.
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Do you?" Wow.
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We have to have a
plan for our children.
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We have to teach
them and train them
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all about our
purity, our sexual purity.
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And, Don, you said it,
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they have it on
their phones today
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and many children or teenagers,
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whoever, they go to bed,
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they have their
phones with them.
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Right.
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Remember Dinzey s
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when the kids
would stay with us,
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Idalia says,
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"Make sure, take their
phones from them at night."
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Don't let them go to
sleep with their phones.
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Don't let it be in their
rooms when they're sleeping.
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Let them sleep. Yeah, right.
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The generation today
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has such a disadvantage
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of Satan's attack against them
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because of the
availability of these things
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in our society today.
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It used to be, you
had to go to a video store
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and go to the back room
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to find any kind of
that type of material.
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And now,
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you can be alone
there with your phone
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and have it all.
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I'm glad you brought that up
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because what's happened today...
00:17:15.60\00:17:16.97
Excuse me, there is a
speaker called Simon Sinek,
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excuse me.
00:17:21.10\00:17:23.91
He speaks to
young people primarily,
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but to the generation
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which we live,
that's a better context.
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And he says,
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"How many people would
give their 12 year old alcohol?"
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How many would say,
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"Here's the key, go
to the alcohol cabinet.
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Here's the key,
go get the marijuana,
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get the
cigarettes, get the drugs."
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The parents would, you know,
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recoil at that very thought.
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Right.
00:17:46.29\00:17:47.60
But he says, when you
give them a cell phone,
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you're saying to
them, medicate yourself.
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You're saying to them,
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you have drink as
much alcohol as you want,
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do anything that you
want to any limit you want.
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And it's completely up to you.
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And he said, that's the problem
with our generation today.
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So what you're talking about
that affected you at a time
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when these things
were not available?
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That's right.
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Remember now,
back in those days,
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we didn't have the cell phones,
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we didn't have all
these kinds of devices, iPads
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and things that are
continually pouring media.
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We were not raised with
a computer in our own room.
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Right.
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I believe the devil
knows that his time is short.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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And he needs to use media,
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you know, to speed up the...
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Right.
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And the
televisions are getting larger.
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Yeah.
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And in the
thousands of channels,
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I got to watch TV one hour a day
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if I did my homework...
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Back when we were
young. Growing up.
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So I wasn't
raised with that need
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to be always watching TV.
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But today,
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it's coming from everywhere.
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Right. And, but now...
00:18:48.12\00:18:50.33
Lisa, let's go to Lisa. Yeah.
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She had a
something very traumatic
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happen in your life?
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Yes.
00:18:57.77\00:19:00.87
Because I was dating Don
00:19:00.90\00:19:02.64
who was no longer following God,
00:19:02.67\00:19:04.94
he was doing everything
00:19:04.97\00:19:06.31
he could to drag me
out of God's Church,
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away from God
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because he didn't want
anything to do with God
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and he actually told me,
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like a second date.
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He's like, you know,
00:19:17.02\00:19:18.65
I've been there, I've done that.
00:19:18.69\00:19:20.39
And I won't ever do that again,
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meaning being a follower of God.
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Big red flag.
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So that was a red flag for me.
00:19:26.19\00:19:27.50
But I'm like, okay, you know...
00:19:27.60\00:19:29.16
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:29.20\00:19:30.87
Just taking
everything so lightheartedly
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instead of really
seeing, are we spiritually,
00:19:33.84\00:19:37.64
you know, in together...
00:19:37.67\00:19:39.47
Compatible. Yeah,
and we weren't at all.
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But yes,
00:19:42.18\00:19:45.28
because of him
pulling me and me allowing it
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and I got pregnant
before we were married.
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And
00:19:53.59\00:19:56.93
that was pretty traumatic.
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I wanted children,
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and I just wanted to get
married and have children.
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That was my whole goal in life.
00:20:03.20\00:20:05.43
And I wanted to keep this child.
00:20:05.47\00:20:07.70
But there were
prominent people in my life.
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My husband, mostly that...
00:20:16.48\00:20:20.08
Wasn't husband yet but I was...
00:20:20.12\00:20:21.45
Yeah, my boyfriend. Prominent.
00:20:21.48\00:20:23.95
We talked about
it, and he's like,
00:20:24.05\00:20:26.62
you know, it's
just not the right time.
00:20:26.72\00:20:29.72
And because of me
being a people pleaser,
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I'm like, okay,
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I'll have an abortion.
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And it was...
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Was he in agreement,
both of you at the time?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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He wanted to have the abortion.
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I actually was pushing her,
00:20:45.44\00:20:46.78
she really
wanted to keep the baby.
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And it was really me pushing her
00:20:48.48\00:20:50.88
that she agreed to it.
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You already had
children prior to this.
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I had three...
00:20:55.65\00:20:57.12
And I remember
telling him and crying,
00:20:57.22\00:20:59.09
it's like,
00:20:59.12\00:21:00.86
you gave your first
wife three children,
00:21:00.96\00:21:02.89
and you won't even give me one.
00:21:02.92\00:21:05.99
And so I was pleading,
00:21:06.03\00:21:07.66
I was pleading with him
to be able to keep my child.
00:21:07.73\00:21:13.50
So I promised her, I said,
00:21:13.60\00:21:15.67
we'll get married,
and we'll have one child
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in a couple of years.
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So I,
00:21:21.51\00:21:24.41
yep, had the abortion
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and I remember coming
out into the waiting room
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and like, I don't
want anyone to know
00:21:30.15\00:21:33.42
how deeply this hurt me.
00:21:33.46\00:21:34.89
And so I just talked to all
those feelings down and like,
00:21:34.92\00:21:39.59
I'm just, I just
have to forget it
00:21:39.63\00:21:42.20
and tried to move on
for many, many years.
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And it was very, very difficult.
00:21:46.40\00:21:49.47
I was,
00:21:49.50\00:21:53.11
I was even re-baptized
00:21:53.14\00:21:55.91
and thinking that,
00:21:55.94\00:21:58.21
you know, if they just
put me under the water,
00:21:58.25\00:22:01.28
then it's gonna stay there.
00:22:01.32\00:22:03.59
You know that pain,
that sin is gonna stay there.
00:22:03.62\00:22:06.86
But it didn't work either.
00:22:06.96\00:22:08.86
It didn't,
00:22:08.89\00:22:10.23
I didn't find freedom
from the pain of the abortion
00:22:10.33\00:22:13.80
and I'll never find complete.
00:22:13.90\00:22:18.00
There's always going
to be that longing that...
00:22:18.03\00:22:19.83
That loss.
00:22:19.87\00:22:21.20
That loss is
always gonna be there.
00:22:21.24\00:22:22.57
What could have happened
if that child was still alive?
00:22:22.60\00:22:24.07
Yeah.
00:22:24.17\00:22:25.51
Right, but there's freedom
in knowing that I am forgiven.
00:22:25.54\00:22:27.71
Amen.
00:22:27.74\00:22:29.08
And the pregnancy care center
00:22:29.11\00:22:30.51
actually had
someone come to our church,
00:22:30.55\00:22:32.91
and she wanted,
00:22:32.95\00:22:34.48
you know, to
have volunteers come
00:22:34.52\00:22:36.32
and so I went up to her
00:22:36.35\00:22:37.85
and I said, you
know, I've had an abortion.
00:22:37.89\00:22:40.32
And I would, I
think I could help,
00:22:40.42\00:22:43.02
you know, I would
like to counsel women.
00:22:43.06\00:22:45.79
And she said,
"Have you ever gone
00:22:45.83\00:22:47.23
through post abortion healing?"
00:22:47.30\00:22:49.66
And I said, "No, but I'm fine."
00:22:49.70\00:22:52.60
Yeah.
00:22:52.63\00:22:53.97
And so, I went through a
book that it wasn't Adventist,
00:22:54.07\00:22:59.44
but there is so
much scripture in there.
00:22:59.47\00:23:03.35
And it went
through all the phases
00:23:03.38\00:23:05.08
that someone that
has, has had an abortion,
00:23:05.11\00:23:07.42
or even a miscarriage,
00:23:07.45\00:23:09.35
goes through the
anger and all of it,
00:23:09.38\00:23:12.69
and just Bible scripture.
00:23:12.72\00:23:16.29
And I finally found God.
00:23:16.32\00:23:18.73
Amen.
00:23:18.76\00:23:20.10
I found God and I
saw God's character,
00:23:20.20\00:23:22.60
that He wasn't
standing above me judging me.
00:23:22.63\00:23:25.27
No.
00:23:25.30\00:23:26.70
And I learned that He was
actually in that room with me,
00:23:26.74\00:23:29.40
as I was aborting His child,
00:23:29.44\00:23:32.34
my child, He was there for me,
00:23:32.37\00:23:35.04
because He knew what
pain was gonna follow.
00:23:35.08\00:23:39.05
And then He also
was there for His child
00:23:39.08\00:23:41.35
that He had a purpose
00:23:41.38\00:23:42.72
for that I was
rejecting and giving up.
00:23:42.75\00:23:47.92
Wow.
00:23:47.96\00:23:49.29
So that, and so now taking that,
00:23:49.32\00:23:50.89
you guys putting
this whole thing together,
00:23:50.93\00:23:53.56
you don't want God, he just,
00:23:53.60\00:23:55.83
that works for you,
00:23:55.86\00:23:57.20
but just not a
road, I'm gonna go down.
00:23:57.30\00:23:58.83
You know,
00:23:58.87\00:24:00.64
I'm not gonna let
this impact my life.
00:24:00.67\00:24:04.37
If religion is for you, great.
00:24:04.41\00:24:07.18
Okay, the abortion's behind us.
00:24:07.28\00:24:10.35
Let's just go ahead
00:24:10.45\00:24:11.95
and, then but now
carrying that new burden,
00:24:11.98\00:24:17.09
you still,
00:24:17.12\00:24:18.45
there was another hit
to come in your marriage,
00:24:18.49\00:24:20.86
talk about that?
00:24:20.89\00:24:22.22
Well,
00:24:22.26\00:24:23.63
as we entered into marriage
00:24:23.66\00:24:26.90
and Lisa didn't
know that of my addiction
00:24:26.93\00:24:30.13
even though we had
watched things together,
00:24:30.23\00:24:33.03
she didn't know I was
addicted to pornography.
00:24:33.07\00:24:36.00
But as we entered
into this marriage,
00:24:36.04\00:24:38.47
she immediately felt rejection.
00:24:38.51\00:24:41.58
You see, pornography
teaches you to conquer
00:24:41.61\00:24:46.45
and once you've conquered this,
00:24:46.48\00:24:48.05
then you move on to the next.
00:24:48.08\00:24:50.25
Well, once I had
conquered her as a wife,
00:24:50.29\00:24:53.42
I no longer
desired her sexually.
00:24:53.46\00:24:56.46
I could take care of myself.
00:24:56.49\00:24:57.83
I was trained that
from when I was young,
00:24:57.86\00:24:59.86
to take care of myself.
00:24:59.96\00:25:01.43
And so I started
rejecting her over and over,
00:25:02.16\00:25:06.10
her mom had told her you
don't ever turn a man away.
00:25:06.13\00:25:08.70
Well, her man
was turning her away.
00:25:08.74\00:25:11.41
And so those first
years, she just felt so rejected
00:25:11.44\00:25:16.01
and the challenge is, me,
00:25:16.04\00:25:21.05
I'm feeling, I
hate myself, actually.
00:25:21.08\00:25:26.42
Someone that is
addicted to pornography
00:25:26.45\00:25:28.39
realizes how filthy they are,
00:25:28.42\00:25:31.46
how much
they're into themselves,
00:25:31.49\00:25:34.46
and you really
develop a hate for yourself.
00:25:34.50\00:25:38.43
And you plead as
I got back to God,
00:25:38.47\00:25:43.97
and after one year,
00:25:44.01\00:25:46.84
we were married, I
actually was re-baptized.
00:25:46.88\00:25:49.84
Amen.
00:25:49.88\00:25:51.21
And started "a walk with God."
00:25:51.25\00:25:54.72
But you cannot walk with God
00:25:54.75\00:25:57.65
and carry this
heavy suitcase of sin
00:25:57.69\00:26:02.66
that you don't
want to let go off.
00:26:02.69\00:26:04.26
That's right. Wow.
00:26:04.29\00:26:05.63
And you see, I didn't wanna,
00:26:05.66\00:26:07.03
I wasn't ready
to let go of that.
00:26:07.03\00:26:08.80
And so I'm
carrying this heavy suitcase
00:26:08.83\00:26:10.57
and trying to
start to walk with God
00:26:10.67\00:26:13.74
and still
treating my wife terribly.
00:26:13.77\00:26:17.84
We had our son at two
years as I had promised her.
00:26:17.87\00:26:20.88
You did have your son. Yes.
00:26:20.98\00:26:22.34
And that in itself
was a trauma to Lisa.
00:26:22.38\00:26:28.52
Tell them about when you had him
00:26:28.55\00:26:31.82
and what you were thinking
just before you had him?
00:26:31.85\00:26:34.92
Yeah, I had a lot of
nightmares when I was pregnant.
00:26:34.96\00:26:39.89
I dreamed that the
baby before him had
00:26:40.00\00:26:45.63
written on my womb
that I was here first
00:26:45.67\00:26:48.30
and just a lot
of guilt and so on.
00:26:48.34\00:26:52.81
In my dream, when
my child was born,
00:26:52.84\00:26:54.91
he came out with
like a look of disgust.
00:26:54.94\00:26:57.21
Like, you're my mother,
you know, after what you did,
00:26:57.31\00:27:01.32
but I'll tell you when they laid
00:27:01.35\00:27:02.68
that precious child on my chest.
00:27:02.72\00:27:05.55
Oh! What joy?
00:27:05.59\00:27:06.99
And he was looking up at me
with his squinty little eyes.
00:27:07.02\00:27:11.56
I heard about grace all my life,
00:27:11.59\00:27:13.43
but I never
understood it until that moment
00:27:13.46\00:27:16.26
when my child is
looking at his mama.
00:27:16.30\00:27:20.24
And he's just a
perfect, beautiful child
00:27:20.34\00:27:23.71
and he became
the love of my life
00:27:23.74\00:27:27.18
because the love of my
life wasn't there for me.
00:27:27.21\00:27:32.15
I was being rejected by him.
00:27:32.18\00:27:34.02
So my son became
the love of my life.
00:27:34.05\00:27:37.72
Wow.
00:27:37.75\00:27:39.35
So that's another
distortion in our marriage.
00:27:39.39\00:27:43.73
Did you know about
the pornography then?
00:27:43.76\00:27:45.66
No.
00:27:45.69\00:27:47.10
No, I knew there was
some masturbation going on
00:27:47.13\00:27:50.93
or something, you know, but
I, I didn't understand it all.
00:27:50.97\00:27:55.30
I didn't understand
why he was rejecting me.
00:27:55.34\00:27:58.91
And I actually
developed a hate towards him.
00:27:58.94\00:28:03.88
I already came into the marriage
00:28:03.91\00:28:05.25
with a chip on my shoulder
because of the abortion.
00:28:05.28\00:28:08.32
And then now,
00:28:08.35\00:28:10.52
I'm like, what's wrong with me?
00:28:10.55\00:28:12.39
You know, why?
00:28:12.42\00:28:13.79
Why are you turning me away?
00:28:13.82\00:28:15.52
And I couldn't
understand those things.
00:28:15.56\00:28:17.69
I felt so unloved and unwanted.
00:28:17.73\00:28:20.23
And that's not what
I saw with my parents.
00:28:20.33\00:28:22.96
My parents are the
most loving couple,
00:28:23.00\00:28:25.60
you know, always
kissing on each other
00:28:25.63\00:28:27.44
and everything.
00:28:27.54\00:28:28.87
And it's like,
that's what I want.
00:28:28.90\00:28:31.81
That's what I want. Yes.
00:28:31.84\00:28:33.48
You know?
00:28:33.51\00:28:34.84
And, but after 14
years of the rejection
00:28:34.88\00:28:40.72
and the demeaning attitude
because he hated himself.
00:28:40.82\00:28:44.19
So how he,
00:28:44.29\00:28:46.15
you know, how could
he betray that for me?
00:28:46.19\00:28:49.76
You know, you brought up
a very powerful point out.
00:28:49.79\00:28:52.06
As a pastor, I'm
thinking about this,
00:28:52.09\00:28:53.80
all these scriptures
going through my mind.
00:28:53.83\00:28:55.70
And this incapability
of loving your wife,
00:28:55.73\00:28:58.07
the Bible says, he that
loveth his wife loveth himself.
00:28:58.10\00:29:01.90
But you hated yourself. Yeah.
00:29:01.94\00:29:03.84
So you couldn't even
think, I don't love myself,
00:29:03.94\00:29:05.84
so why would I love her?
00:29:05.87\00:29:07.21
It's a reciprocal.
It's a reciprocal blessing.
00:29:07.31\00:29:10.28
If you extend that love,
00:29:10.38\00:29:11.71
it's an evidence
that you love yourself,
00:29:11.75\00:29:13.08
but you didn't love yourself
so you couldn't even extend it.
00:29:13.11\00:29:15.75
So you're locked in
this prison of guilt.
00:29:15.78\00:29:18.45
And you're carrying the suitcase
00:29:18.49\00:29:19.99
as you refer to it,
00:29:20.09\00:29:21.42
of the practices and habits
that you don't want to let go.
00:29:21.46\00:29:25.56
And you're sensing the rejection
00:29:25.59\00:29:27.40
and the only saving grace is,
00:29:27.46\00:29:29.36
I have a baby that I could love.
00:29:29.40\00:29:31.47
But still, there's an
emptiness in your life.
00:29:31.50\00:29:34.87
Let's fast forward now
and find out where the...
00:29:34.90\00:29:39.51
Wheels came off?
00:29:39.54\00:29:40.88
Where the balloon popped,
where the wheels came off.
00:29:40.98\00:29:43.01
Yeah, because now it had
to come to a head somewhere.
00:29:43.04\00:29:45.48
Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:45.51\00:29:47.12
It was tough.
00:29:47.15\00:29:49.62
You know, the
interesting thing is,
00:29:49.65\00:29:52.45
Lisa and I wore
such a good mask,
00:29:52.49\00:29:56.93
that everyone in our
church surroundings thought
00:29:57.03\00:30:00.50
we were the
happiest couple ever.
00:30:00.53\00:30:03.83
Wow.
00:30:03.93\00:30:05.27
And yet, we are so divided
and so dysfunctional and...
00:30:05.30\00:30:10.77
I came to a point where
I wanted to kill myself,
00:30:10.87\00:30:13.94
because if he wasn't gonna die,
00:30:13.98\00:30:18.71
where I would get freedom.
00:30:18.75\00:30:20.08
I mean, that's really
what I was thinking is like
00:30:20.18\00:30:22.32
if you would just
die then I could be free.
00:30:22.35\00:30:24.75
I don't, 'cause we're not
supposed to divorce, right?
00:30:24.79\00:30:27.66
Till death do you
apart type of thing
00:30:27.69\00:30:29.42
was going around on your head.
00:30:29.46\00:30:30.79
Yes, it was and when I came to
the point of thinking suicide,
00:30:30.89\00:30:36.20
the only thing that stopped
me was the love of my life,
00:30:36.23\00:30:39.20
my son, you know,
and my family, of course,
00:30:39.23\00:30:42.44
but I knew that I needed help.
00:30:42.47\00:30:46.07
So I talked with
a Christian lady.
00:30:46.11\00:30:48.71
And she said, "Honey,
00:30:48.74\00:30:50.78
your husband's
addicted to pornography."
00:30:50.81\00:30:52.98
And I'm like, "What?"
00:30:53.01\00:30:54.38
You know, and what a stronghold
that is in a man's life
00:30:54.42\00:31:00.76
that he probably
would choose pornography
00:31:00.79\00:31:03.63
rather than
staying with his wife
00:31:03.66\00:31:05.33
because of that
is such a stronghold.
00:31:05.36\00:31:08.56
And so she goes, you
probably should just separate,
00:31:08.60\00:31:11.50
you know, and let, you
know, healing take place.
00:31:11.53\00:31:15.50
Well, I took
that as that's my key.
00:31:15.54\00:31:17.77
I'm gonna go home
and I'm gonna tell him,
00:31:17.81\00:31:19.24
I'm gonna divorce him.
00:31:19.27\00:31:20.64
Oh.
00:31:20.68\00:31:22.01
So I went home
00:31:22.04\00:31:23.41
and drop the
news on him and said,
00:31:23.45\00:31:24.78
"I want a divorce."
00:31:24.81\00:31:26.41
And how did he feel when?
00:31:26.45\00:31:28.42
How did you feel,
Don, when you heard that?
00:31:28.45\00:31:30.25
What did you think?
00:31:30.35\00:31:31.69
Just before you
answer, I wanna just...
00:31:31.72\00:31:33.05
Yes, go ahead. Point something.
00:31:33.09\00:31:34.49
Lisa wasn't looking to fix it?
00:31:34.52\00:31:37.09
No. Right?
00:31:37.13\00:31:38.46
Lisa just wanted out.
00:31:38.49\00:31:39.83
She was done. She was done.
00:31:39.86\00:31:41.16
So the key that the
lady was sharing with you
00:31:41.20\00:31:42.53
about healing it
and making it work.
00:31:42.56\00:31:44.23
Just separate for a
while, work on the issues
00:31:44.27\00:31:45.87
and let the Lord
heal you guys to come,
00:31:45.90\00:31:47.94
but you had come to
the end of your rope.
00:31:47.97\00:31:49.80
You said, I just
want out of here.
00:31:49.84\00:31:51.17
I want him dead.
00:31:51.21\00:31:52.54
I'm either gonna
die or he's gonna die.
00:31:52.57\00:31:53.91
Yeah.
00:31:54.01\00:31:55.34
But if you could give me a
key to get out, I got the key,
00:31:55.38\00:31:56.71
so I'm gonna go
ahead and lower the boom.
00:31:56.75\00:31:58.31
And that's what you...
00:31:58.35\00:31:59.68
You didn't go home for healing,
00:31:59.71\00:32:01.12
you went home
for, I'm out of here.
00:32:01.15\00:32:02.48
Yeah.
00:32:02.52\00:32:03.89
Because I tried to be
his Holy Spirit for years
00:32:03.92\00:32:05.25
and that didn't work.
00:32:05.29\00:32:06.62
Okay. That's a
very important point.
00:32:06.65\00:32:07.99
Yeah.
00:32:08.02\00:32:09.36
The day that she
dropped that bomb on me,
00:32:09.39\00:32:13.70
having already
been through a divorce
00:32:13.73\00:32:15.96
after 12 years of marriage,
00:32:16.00\00:32:19.37
knowing that it
was a big part of me
00:32:19.40\00:32:21.10
because of the life I
was living in the dark.
00:32:21.14\00:32:26.24
I had pled with Lisa and
before we got married up,
00:32:26.27\00:32:30.11
I made her promise that
she would never leave me.
00:32:30.15\00:32:33.58
And that was always a
fear that I lived with,
00:32:33.62\00:32:36.65
especially because I knew myself
00:32:36.69\00:32:38.92
and what I was involved with
00:32:38.95\00:32:41.32
and in that constant fear
00:32:41.36\00:32:42.69
and when she told
me that it was over.
00:32:42.72\00:32:46.39
She was the love of my life.
00:32:46.43\00:32:48.90
Even though I
was mistreating her,
00:32:48.93\00:32:51.20
rejecting her, demeaning her,
00:32:51.23\00:32:55.54
and women have a real
hard time understanding this.
00:32:55.57\00:32:58.97
But this is a Satan's design
to mess you up so bad that
00:32:59.01\00:33:05.18
yet I loved her so much and yet,
00:33:05.21\00:33:07.75
I treated her so badly.
00:33:07.78\00:33:10.19
And so when she told me that
00:33:10.22\00:33:11.55
she might as well
have just taken a knife
00:33:11.59\00:33:13.36
and stuck it in my heart
00:33:13.39\00:33:15.72
because I could
not live without her.
00:33:15.76\00:33:18.46
We've been together 14 years
00:33:18.49\00:33:20.30
and as I walked away
from the home that night,
00:33:20.40\00:33:24.53
and I actually went,
00:33:24.57\00:33:26.07
walked out to a
bridge over the highway
00:33:26.10\00:33:28.20
and I was gonna end my life,
00:33:28.24\00:33:30.47
I did not see that
00:33:30.57\00:33:31.91
I could continue on without her.
00:33:31.94\00:33:34.64
She's the only
one that loved me.
00:33:34.68\00:33:37.31
And as I was there
00:33:37.35\00:33:40.78
contemplating
suicide on the bridge,
00:33:40.88\00:33:43.02
that's when I
heard a still small voice
00:33:46.49\00:33:48.49
and Jesus said,
"Don, I love you.
00:33:52.03\00:33:56.23
Don, I will take care of
you, I will walk with you,
00:33:56.26\00:33:59.77
I will help you through this."
00:33:59.80\00:34:01.40
Amen.
00:34:01.44\00:34:02.77
And I am like, I
can't go on without her.
00:34:02.80\00:34:08.78
He said, "Don, we
will get through this,
00:34:08.81\00:34:10.55
I'll carry you."
00:34:10.58\00:34:11.95
Yes.
00:34:11.98\00:34:14.38
And I listened to Him
00:34:14.42\00:34:17.92
and as I turned away
from that bridge that night,
00:34:17.95\00:34:21.99
my life changed.
00:34:22.02\00:34:24.73
I started a new walk with Him.
00:34:28.43\00:34:30.33
Amen.
00:34:30.37\00:34:31.77
And as we separated and
I moved out of the house,
00:34:31.80\00:34:35.40
and I would
spend time on my knees
00:34:35.44\00:34:37.37
at night talking with God
00:34:37.41\00:34:39.54
and I say,
00:34:39.57\00:34:40.94
God, show me who I am.
00:34:40.98\00:34:44.01
Show me who I really am.
00:34:44.11\00:34:45.48
And if you pray that prayer,
00:34:45.51\00:34:46.98
He will show you
who you really are.
00:34:47.02\00:34:49.75
And he showed me
00:34:49.78\00:34:52.62
how I had
mistreated her so much,
00:34:52.65\00:34:55.29
how I'd been so selfish
00:34:55.32\00:34:57.49
and so focused
on me all my life,
00:34:57.53\00:35:00.53
and how I'd hurt her so
deeply through the abortion
00:35:00.56\00:35:04.07
and through my
constant rejection of her.
00:35:04.10\00:35:07.64
And I would
just weep on my knees
00:35:07.67\00:35:11.01
and plead with Him to change me.
00:35:11.04\00:35:13.68
Make me a new person.
00:35:13.71\00:35:16.95
And so He started
that process that summer
00:35:16.98\00:35:20.52
of changing me
as I walked with Him
00:35:20.62\00:35:23.99
and as the summer progressed,
that suitcase got lighter.
00:35:24.02\00:35:27.72
Amen. Amen.
00:35:27.76\00:35:29.09
And lighter
00:35:29.12\00:35:32.13
because that is the only thing
00:35:32.16\00:35:35.73
that can replace
the sin in our lives
00:35:35.76\00:35:39.17
that Satan
wants us to bask in...
00:35:39.20\00:35:43.37
That's right. Is Christ.
00:35:43.41\00:35:44.74
That's right.
00:35:44.77\00:35:46.11
As Christ comes
in, sin has to go out.
00:35:46.14\00:35:48.78
That's right. That's right.
00:35:48.81\00:35:50.51
I'd like to share
a little bit about
00:35:50.55\00:35:51.98
what I did during the summer.
00:35:52.01\00:35:54.18
Because I changed
too at that point,
00:35:54.22\00:35:56.65
I became cold, cold hearted
00:35:56.75\00:36:00.49
and I went to another pastor
00:36:00.52\00:36:03.66
because I just didn't
feel like I had that key
00:36:03.76\00:36:06.73
that I could
divorce still in my heart,
00:36:06.76\00:36:09.90
and so I went and
talked to another pastor,
00:36:09.93\00:36:13.64
and I shared my story.
00:36:13.67\00:36:15.54
And he said,
"Lisa, I hear your story.
00:36:15.57\00:36:18.11
But I want you to go home
00:36:18.14\00:36:19.47
and I want you to pray that
God will change Don's heart.
00:36:19.51\00:36:22.58
And then I want you to pray
00:36:22.61\00:36:23.95
that God will
change your heart."
00:36:24.05\00:36:26.45
So I'm like,
"Okay, I can do that,
00:36:26.48\00:36:28.38
I can do these things
and then I can divorce him."
00:36:28.42\00:36:31.25
So I get down on my
knees that night and I prayed,
00:36:31.29\00:36:34.06
God, please change Don's heart,
00:36:34.16\00:36:38.53
but I couldn't pray
for God to change my heart.
00:36:38.56\00:36:41.23
Because I knew what God wanted.
00:36:41.26\00:36:43.53
I knew God wanted me
to stay with my husband
00:36:43.63\00:36:45.87
because he pleaded
for me to stay with him.
00:36:45.90\00:36:48.40
He wasn't like I
thought, he really wanted me.
00:36:48.44\00:36:51.07
Yes.
00:36:51.11\00:36:52.44
But I could not,
00:36:52.47\00:36:53.84
I did not want to
be his wife anymore.
00:36:53.88\00:36:55.28
He hurt me too much.
00:36:55.31\00:36:57.21
So all summer long,
00:36:57.25\00:36:58.81
I pray that God
would change Don's heart,
00:36:58.85\00:37:00.95
and I couldn't pray that
He would change my heart.
00:37:00.98\00:37:03.52
So my heart wasn't
being changed by God,
00:37:03.62\00:37:05.95
but it was by the devil,
00:37:05.99\00:37:07.89
because my heart was
getting colder and colder.
00:37:07.92\00:37:12.39
I thought that I would
just step off of God's path
00:37:12.43\00:37:16.97
and walk my own path
until I divorced Don.
00:37:17.00\00:37:20.34
And then when I'm divorced,
00:37:20.37\00:37:21.87
then I'll come
back to God's path
00:37:21.90\00:37:23.81
and say, Oh, God, I'm sorry,
00:37:23.84\00:37:25.17
maybe I shouldn't have
divorced him but too late.
00:37:25.21\00:37:27.88
That's really
what I had in my head
00:37:27.91\00:37:29.61
that I was gonna do.
00:37:29.64\00:37:31.75
And one day when Don was gone,
00:37:31.78\00:37:37.65
when he had our
son for the weekend,
00:37:37.69\00:37:40.46
he brought him back
00:37:40.49\00:37:41.82
and the words
came out of my mouth.
00:37:41.86\00:37:43.19
Do you want to take a walk?
00:37:43.22\00:37:44.93
And I'm thinking,
"Why did I just say that?"
00:37:44.96\00:37:47.10
Where did that come from?
00:37:47.13\00:37:48.43
But I know that there was
a lot of intercessory prayer
00:37:48.46\00:37:50.53
going on for us as well.
00:37:50.57\00:37:52.63
So God used this donkey
00:37:52.67\00:37:55.74
and made me speak and
Don had a lot to share.
00:37:55.77\00:38:00.41
So as we're out walking
around our neighborhood,
00:38:00.44\00:38:02.48
he's sharing all the things
00:38:02.51\00:38:04.18
that God has
been showing to him.
00:38:04.21\00:38:07.65
And he said, you know,
00:38:07.68\00:38:09.02
Lisa, I'm so sorry for putting
you through that abortion.
00:38:09.05\00:38:11.09
It was so selfish of me.
00:38:11.12\00:38:12.95
I should have
been there for you.
00:38:12.99\00:38:15.12
And he said, we should have a
memorial service for our child.
00:38:15.16\00:38:19.39
And I'm like, "No,"
00:38:19.43\00:38:21.20
you know, I took
care of that long ago.
00:38:21.23\00:38:23.47
I mean, I was cold, you
are not getting in, Don.
00:38:23.50\00:38:26.47
That's what I was telling him.
00:38:26.50\00:38:28.40
And he just kept
sharing his heart.
00:38:28.44\00:38:31.04
And the last
thing that he said to me
00:38:31.07\00:38:33.68
is what changed me.
00:38:33.71\00:38:36.51
He said, Lisa,
00:38:36.54\00:38:38.25
you brought me back to God.
00:38:38.28\00:38:41.08
And I see you
going away from God.
00:38:41.12\00:38:44.19
He said, even if we
don't get back together,
00:38:44.29\00:38:47.56
don't lose your walk with God.
00:38:47.59\00:38:51.03
And that took me
back, I'm like, Oh.
00:38:51.06\00:38:53.90
Yeah.
00:38:54.00\00:38:55.36
He really does care about me.
00:38:55.40\00:38:57.80
And in my head, I'm thinking,
00:38:57.83\00:39:00.17
what other man would I ever find
00:39:00.27\00:39:02.20
that would care about
my salvation like that?
00:39:02.24\00:39:07.11
So that night, I
got down on my knees.
00:39:07.14\00:39:09.81
And I prayed that God
would change Don's heart.
00:39:09.84\00:39:14.05
I could see that He
had been doing just that.
00:39:14.15\00:39:17.62
And then I asked God,
00:39:17.65\00:39:19.75
"Please change my heart too."
00:39:19.79\00:39:22.69
I could see how
cold I had gotten.
00:39:22.72\00:39:25.79
I wanted Jesus
back in my life again.
00:39:25.83\00:39:28.53
Amen.
00:39:28.56\00:39:30.07
And within 24 hours,
00:39:30.10\00:39:33.13
I went to Don's work,
00:39:33.17\00:39:35.50
had a pretty dress on,
00:39:35.54\00:39:38.21
and I said, "I really
want you to come back home,
00:39:38.24\00:39:40.78
I'm willing to make this work."
00:39:40.81\00:39:42.84
Wow.
00:39:42.88\00:39:44.38
And it wasn't
everything's perfect,
00:39:44.41\00:39:48.32
but you know, I praise
God that he's not a God
00:39:48.35\00:39:50.69
that just makes things
just happen just perfect.
00:39:50.72\00:39:53.56
Because it's that
journey of our growth
00:39:53.66\00:39:57.53
and it was our journey with,
00:39:57.56\00:39:58.89
our growth with God
00:39:58.93\00:40:00.80
that brought us
back together with us
00:40:00.83\00:40:02.73
spending time on our
knees and in God's Word.
00:40:02.76\00:40:06.60
We were getting
strength from Jesus.
00:40:06.70\00:40:08.80
And that is where it continued
to bring us closer together
00:40:08.84\00:40:12.91
as we get closer to God.
00:40:12.94\00:40:14.44
Wow.
00:40:14.48\00:40:16.14
And so now then
he's back home. Yes.
00:40:16.18\00:40:19.45
You're all in
committed to make it work.
00:40:19.48\00:40:22.18
Amen. Yes.
00:40:22.22\00:40:23.55
Well, now this is kind
of a rhetorical question.
00:40:23.65\00:40:26.92
Did it work? Yes, it did.
00:40:27.02\00:40:29.59
Your son must
have been so happy.
00:40:29.62\00:40:31.13
Oh, yes.
00:40:31.16\00:40:32.49
We've been married for 32 years.
00:40:32.53\00:40:33.86
Praise God.
00:40:33.96\00:40:35.26
Our son said that he
had plans to run away
00:40:35.30\00:40:39.87
if we were to divorce.
00:40:39.97\00:40:41.37
Wow.
00:40:41.40\00:40:42.74
And I as a mother thought
that I was protecting our son
00:40:42.77\00:40:46.31
from his father.
00:40:46.34\00:40:48.31
And I had no idea that
children do not want divorce.
00:40:48.34\00:40:53.05
No.
00:40:53.08\00:40:54.42
Even when you think that
you're doing them a favor,
00:40:54.45\00:40:56.62
you're not.
00:40:56.72\00:40:58.05
Wow.
00:40:58.09\00:40:59.42
I wanna pause 'cause you know,
00:40:59.45\00:41:00.86
I know you've
been watching this,
00:41:00.89\00:41:02.22
probably this
been very emotional.
00:41:02.26\00:41:03.59
I'm sitting here
trying to be the strong man,
00:41:03.63\00:41:05.06
everybody's weeping in tears,
00:41:05.09\00:41:06.70
have surely
come up to my throat.
00:41:06.73\00:41:09.40
But what is being talked about
00:41:09.43\00:41:10.83
what Don and
Lisa are talking about
00:41:10.87\00:41:12.73
are the real factors of life,
00:41:12.77\00:41:15.87
the real issues of life.
00:41:15.90\00:41:18.01
You know, we could have sugar
coated this thing and said,
00:41:18.04\00:41:20.64
"Well, you know,
everything happened,
00:41:20.68\00:41:22.41
just prayer is
gonna change overnight."
00:41:22.44\00:41:24.21
But as Lisa just pointed out,
and Don is in total agreement,
00:41:24.25\00:41:27.28
and we are too,
00:41:27.32\00:41:28.65
it's all about the journey.
00:41:28.68\00:41:30.02
It's not always the destination.
00:41:30.05\00:41:31.39
It's about the journey.
00:41:31.42\00:41:32.75
And they have a ministry
now called Uncompromised,
00:41:32.79\00:41:35.59
and right now I want to show you
00:41:35.62\00:41:37.49
a brief video clip
00:41:37.59\00:41:39.49
as to why this
ministry is important.
00:41:39.53\00:41:42.40
And then we're gonna
talk about the book briefly
00:41:42.43\00:41:44.00
with the time we have remaining.
00:41:44.10\00:41:45.43
And then we're
gonna also let you know
00:41:45.47\00:41:47.17
how you can get in
touch with Don and Lisa
00:41:47.27\00:41:48.84
because they do
travel to churches
00:41:48.87\00:41:50.91
and wherever they are
invited to help people,
00:41:50.94\00:41:54.01
schools to help people
00:41:54.04\00:41:55.64
that are maybe one to one
00:41:55.68\00:41:57.78
as a husband and
wife in this situation,
00:41:57.81\00:41:59.85
or churches, or wherever
they'd like to be invited.
00:41:59.95\00:42:03.25
So now look at this video
00:42:03.28\00:42:04.62
and we'll come back
on the other side of it
00:42:04.65\00:42:06.35
and share some
thoughts with you.
00:42:06.39\00:42:07.72
Over 16,000 young adults
00:42:17.03\00:42:19.73
find out that they have
a form of STI every day.
00:42:19.77\00:42:24.27
Christian teens think
that to remain a virgin,
00:42:24.31\00:42:27.68
they can do
everything except intercourse.
00:42:27.71\00:42:30.11
The two out of
three divorces in the US
00:42:30.15\00:42:32.45
including in Christian families
00:42:32.48\00:42:34.32
had something to do with
pornography or sexuality.
00:42:34.35\00:42:37.59
51% of Christian pastors
00:42:37.62\00:42:40.72
admit that cyber
porn has been a temptation
00:42:40.76\00:42:44.39
and 37% admit that
00:42:44.43\00:42:46.96
they have been
addicted in the past.
00:42:47.00\00:42:50.30
50% of Christian men
and 28% of Christian women
00:42:50.40\00:42:54.64
are addicted to pornography.
00:42:54.67\00:42:56.64
Teens that believe in virginity
00:42:56.74\00:42:58.21
until marriage are just
as likely to contract STI
00:42:58.24\00:43:01.98
as a fellow peers.
00:43:02.01\00:43:05.28
To be able to hear him say
00:43:05.31\00:43:08.12
that he was in
pornography and this and that.
00:43:08.15\00:43:11.49
And they were
able, with God's help
00:43:11.52\00:43:15.12
to save their marriage
00:43:15.16\00:43:17.33
and to get the evil out
00:43:17.43\00:43:19.53
and become one again...
00:43:19.56\00:43:20.96
made me believe in
now in my own heart
00:43:24.40\00:43:27.60
that there is a
chance in my own life
00:43:27.64\00:43:30.57
that I can and will have love
00:43:30.61\00:43:33.44
and know what love is by man.
00:43:33.48\00:43:36.81
UNcompromised is a program
00:43:36.85\00:43:38.51
that is sponsored by
the Michigan Conference
00:43:38.55\00:43:41.62
to address and train
men and women of all ages
00:43:41.65\00:43:45.79
and young people about purity.
00:43:45.82\00:43:48.56
So we as
Christians want to stand
00:43:48.59\00:43:51.03
and defend God's Church.
00:43:51.06\00:43:53.56
This is a revolving ministry
00:43:53.60\00:43:55.33
that we're just
discovering new ways
00:43:55.36\00:43:57.50
that we should
be changing this up,
00:43:57.53\00:43:59.63
They share in a very meaningful
00:43:59.67\00:44:01.64
and transparent
way their struggle,
00:44:01.67\00:44:04.21
their journey.
00:44:04.24\00:44:05.57
I've taken the mask
off, I'm not proud who I was,
00:44:05.61\00:44:09.08
but I am proud who I am.
00:44:09.11\00:44:10.95
Nobody's too
young to understand this
00:44:10.98\00:44:13.82
and to learn from scripture,
00:44:13.92\00:44:15.85
what God's plan is.
00:44:15.88\00:44:17.39
And He allows us to experience
the freshest experiences.
00:44:17.42\00:44:21.66
He allows us to
taste the freshest tastes,
00:44:21.69\00:44:24.76
the most pungent of aromas
00:44:24.79\00:44:27.30
in a combination that
only God intended for,
00:44:27.30\00:44:31.63
that God allows for
and has the best for us
00:44:31.67\00:44:34.54
because He created us.
00:44:34.57\00:44:36.87
Could it be why that
this is where God says,
00:44:36.91\00:44:39.31
"Taste and see
that the Lord is good."
00:44:39.34\00:44:41.58
I mean, this is a
existential encounter with God.
00:44:41.61\00:44:47.58
So maybe sometimes
00:44:47.62\00:44:48.95
we just have to
submit our judgment calls,
00:44:48.98\00:44:51.32
submit our intellect,
00:44:51.35\00:44:52.99
just submit our taste buds
00:44:53.02\00:44:56.16
to enjoy what the Lord,
00:44:56.19\00:44:58.26
our Creator
intended us to experience.
00:44:58.29\00:45:00.83
Teach purity to
all of our members
00:45:00.86\00:45:03.87
and for us to be prepared
for the Lord soon coming.
00:45:03.90\00:45:07.04
We've just watched
the Holy Spirit work
00:45:07.07\00:45:08.74
in an awesome way.
00:45:08.77\00:45:10.11
I've been with alcoholics.
00:45:10.21\00:45:11.54
I've been with sexual abusers.
00:45:11.57\00:45:16.48
And I'm compact.
00:45:16.51\00:45:17.85
UNcompromised
means it stops now.
00:45:17.88\00:45:20.52
Powerful video
clip. Yes, it was.
00:45:39.87\00:45:42.04
But it's just... It's reality.
00:45:42.07\00:45:44.27
It's a reality but it's
just a drop in the bucket
00:45:44.31\00:45:46.74
as to the various places
that Don and Lisa had been
00:45:46.84\00:45:50.31
in doing seminars
00:45:50.35\00:45:51.71
and night to night counseling.
00:45:51.75\00:45:53.08
You mentioned,
both of you mentioned
00:45:53.11\00:45:54.45
that you counsel pretty much
00:45:54.48\00:45:55.82
almost every night of the week.
00:45:55.85\00:45:57.65
Yes.
00:45:57.69\00:45:59.02
We get pretty busy sometimes.
00:45:59.05\00:46:00.49
Okay, sure. Now then book.
00:46:00.52\00:46:01.99
You have a book that is entitled
00:46:02.02\00:46:04.63
"God's Heart
Call to Inner Peace."
00:46:04.66\00:46:07.60
It's an amazing workbook
00:46:07.66\00:46:09.90
but tell us about this booklet.
00:46:09.93\00:46:11.73
Tell us about
this book, actually,
00:46:11.77\00:46:13.10
is the number of pages here,
00:46:13.13\00:46:14.74
about 200 pages almost.
00:46:14.77\00:46:16.50
And tell us what role
this plays in your ministry?
00:46:16.54\00:46:21.81
It was written by
Bruce and Dorothy Hayward,
00:46:21.84\00:46:23.55
wasn't written by
us, they compiled it,
00:46:23.58\00:46:26.18
and it's a very powerful book
00:46:26.21\00:46:28.62
because if you look at
the table of contents there.
00:46:28.65\00:46:32.15
One of the early pages,
00:46:32.19\00:46:33.96
you'll listen to these
chapters live in trust,
00:46:33.99\00:46:36.93
surrender fear,
live in humility,
00:46:36.96\00:46:38.86
surrender pride,
live in forgiveness,
00:46:38.89\00:46:41.36
surrender bitterness,
00:46:41.40\00:46:43.00
live in obedience,
surrender rebellion
00:46:43.03\00:46:45.57
and so all of these issues
00:46:45.60\00:46:47.60
every one of us deal
with every day in our lives
00:46:47.64\00:46:50.57
whether it's
pride, whether it's fears,
00:46:50.61\00:46:52.57
whether it's bitterness
00:46:52.61\00:46:54.44
and how do we deal with those?
00:46:54.48\00:46:57.11
And so, Lisa and I use this book
00:46:57.21\00:46:59.55
especially for couples,
00:46:59.58\00:47:00.98
as we're going through
their challenges in their life
00:47:01.02\00:47:05.45
as their marriage is
on the verge of splitting.
00:47:05.49\00:47:08.12
And, obviously,
00:47:08.16\00:47:09.96
God has brought us together
to help others to not split.
00:47:10.06\00:47:15.16
And so that is our mission.
00:47:15.20\00:47:17.17
But I wanna share
one tool that we share,
00:47:17.20\00:47:20.74
specifically with people,
00:47:20.77\00:47:22.84
and it's called a weapon card,
00:47:22.87\00:47:24.44
Scripture weapon card.
00:47:24.47\00:47:26.31
And, so how do we defeat Satan
00:47:26.34\00:47:29.78
when he's on the attack?
00:47:29.81\00:47:31.61
And I wanna use an
example of what I did.
00:47:31.65\00:47:36.12
I carry these
with me all the time.
00:47:36.15\00:47:40.06
My yellow card is
actually the stronghold is lust.
00:47:40.09\00:47:44.23
And it has a
prayer and a scripture.
00:47:44.33\00:47:47.30
When Jesus was here on earth,
00:47:47.30\00:47:49.20
and Satan was attacking Him,
00:47:49.23\00:47:51.93
the Son of God, Himself,
00:47:51.97\00:47:54.24
what did he
used to defeat Satan?
00:47:54.27\00:47:55.94
The Word of God.
00:47:55.97\00:47:57.37
It is written. It is written.
00:47:57.41\00:47:58.74
So who am to walk
out in the world today,
00:47:58.77\00:48:02.38
and Satan attacks
and I expect to just
00:48:02.41\00:48:05.25
kind of brush him off some way
00:48:05.28\00:48:07.55
unless I use the
Word of God to defeat him.
00:48:07.58\00:48:10.02
That's right.
00:48:10.12\00:48:11.45
That's what
these cards are about.
00:48:11.49\00:48:12.82
So we keep these with
us, he keeps it in his pants.
00:48:12.85\00:48:15.92
So I'll use a quick story.
00:48:15.96\00:48:17.36
I was going to Walmart,
00:48:17.46\00:48:18.79
needed to pick up some
printer ink for my printer.
00:48:18.83\00:48:21.46
And I parked and I'm
walking through the front doors.
00:48:21.50\00:48:24.67
And just as the doors
open, here comes a woman walking
00:48:24.70\00:48:28.27
across in front of
me scantily dressed,
00:48:28.30\00:48:30.61
didn't have enough
on even for Walmart
00:48:30.64\00:48:33.11
and walking through.
00:48:33.14\00:48:35.38
And so instantly, I
reached in my pocket.
00:48:35.41\00:48:39.35
And it's yellow.
00:48:39.38\00:48:40.72
I know which card it is.
00:48:40.82\00:48:42.18
And I pull out my card.
00:48:42.22\00:48:44.09
And I'm walking still through
Walmart looking over my card.
00:48:44.19\00:48:47.66
As I'm walking
through the aisle,
00:48:47.69\00:48:49.02
I know where the ink is at.
00:48:49.06\00:48:51.06
And I read my prayer.
00:48:51.09\00:48:52.43
Lord, I am your child and
I want all of my thoughts,
00:48:52.46\00:48:55.66
desires and
actions to please Christ,
00:48:55.70\00:48:58.77
I renounce Satan's
desire for me to focus on lust.
00:48:58.80\00:49:02.70
I choose to yield to Christ.
00:49:02.74\00:49:05.21
Amen.
00:49:05.24\00:49:06.57
And then my scripture Job 31:1,
00:49:06.61\00:49:08.94
"I have made a
covenant with my eyes
00:49:08.98\00:49:11.68
not to look on a woman to
lust after her in my heart."
00:49:11.71\00:49:15.08
Amen.
00:49:15.12\00:49:16.45
As I get done with my card. Yes.
00:49:16.48\00:49:18.49
I have arrived at my ink.
00:49:18.52\00:49:20.99
Where do you
think the temptation is?
00:49:21.02\00:49:22.69
It's gone. It's gone.
00:49:22.72\00:49:24.06
Behind you.
00:49:24.16\00:49:25.49
As soon as I have taken action
00:49:25.53\00:49:27.50
on God's Word,
00:49:27.56\00:49:29.40
Satan runs.
00:49:29.43\00:49:30.77
That's right. That's right.
00:49:30.87\00:49:32.27
And so we have
to have this ability
00:49:32.30\00:49:35.04
to defeat Satan with
the Word of God alone.
00:49:35.07\00:49:37.91
That's right.
00:49:37.94\00:49:39.27
And that's why we have
scripture weapon cards.
00:49:39.31\00:49:41.31
Another
stronghold is bitterness.
00:49:41.34\00:49:43.95
And one time I was at church
00:49:43.98\00:49:47.62
and people will
say different things.
00:49:47.65\00:49:51.39
That kind of, kind of, get you,
00:49:51.42\00:49:53.76
you know, get you
upset a little bit.
00:49:53.79\00:49:55.79
Well, I went into the sanctuary,
00:49:55.82\00:49:57.63
sat down and church
service was starting,
00:49:57.66\00:50:00.10
and I'm sitting
there going over my mind
00:50:00.13\00:50:02.20
what people have said to me,
00:50:02.23\00:50:03.63
and I'm getting
more and more bitter.
00:50:03.67\00:50:05.80
And I don't keep my bitterness
00:50:05.83\00:50:07.60
or my scripture weapon
cards with me very well.
00:50:07.64\00:50:09.87
I have to dig
through my purse too much.
00:50:09.97\00:50:12.67
But I knew my
husband was sitting there
00:50:12.71\00:50:14.24
and I knew he had
a bitterness card.
00:50:14.28\00:50:16.71
So I'm like, Honey, do
you have your bitterness card?
00:50:16.75\00:50:19.88
Now you make each
color a different thing?
00:50:19.98\00:50:21.72
Yeah, each
stronghold is a different color
00:50:21.75\00:50:23.75
so you know which one it is.
00:50:23.79\00:50:25.12
So you can
quickly... Let's hold this.
00:50:25.15\00:50:26.72
Hold these up.
Hold up the cards.
00:50:26.82\00:50:28.16
Hold that bitterness card
up, you're on the right hand.
00:50:28.19\00:50:29.52
Now what happened
when he gave that to you?
00:50:29.56\00:50:31.16
This is what. Now
the blue one means what?
00:50:31.19\00:50:33.66
Whatever you wanted to mean.
00:50:33.76\00:50:35.06
Okay, I got you.
00:50:35.10\00:50:36.43
So I read this,
Lord, I am your child,
00:50:36.46\00:50:38.50
and I choose for you
to remove all bitterness
00:50:38.53\00:50:41.07
and anger from me.
00:50:41.10\00:50:42.44
I renounce Satan's
desire to control me.
00:50:42.47\00:50:45.04
I want all my thoughts
to reflect Christ alone.
00:50:45.07\00:50:48.21
And then I read the scripture.
00:50:48.24\00:50:50.28
And that's Ephesians 4:30-32,
00:50:50.31\00:50:53.65
"Grieve not the
Holy Spirit of God,
00:50:53.75\00:50:55.92
whereby we are sealed
unto the day of redemption.
00:50:55.95\00:50:58.89
Let all bitterness, and
wrath, and anger, and clamor,
00:50:58.92\00:51:02.49
and evil speaking
be put away from you.
00:51:02.52\00:51:05.19
Forgive one another,
00:51:05.23\00:51:06.70
even as God has
forgiven you for Christ's sake."
00:51:06.80\00:51:10.03
And immediately my
heart, I mean, I was weeping,
00:51:10.13\00:51:13.60
I could feel the
tears welling up in my eyes.
00:51:13.64\00:51:16.37
My heart was being
melted by God's Word.
00:51:16.40\00:51:20.04
And all that
bitterness was gone.
00:51:20.08\00:51:22.38
So what I'm hearing you say,
00:51:22.41\00:51:23.81
and this is something
that's very important.
00:51:23.85\00:51:25.81
A lot of times people
think about the arsenal
00:51:25.85\00:51:28.35
that we can use,
00:51:28.38\00:51:30.15
but they don't use it
at the moment it's needed.
00:51:30.19\00:51:31.89
That's right. Okay.
00:51:31.92\00:51:33.32
Because when you go to church
00:51:33.36\00:51:34.69
and the sermon is being preached
00:51:34.72\00:51:36.06
and everything
good is being said
00:51:36.09\00:51:37.43
and you're singing
songs to the glory of God,
00:51:37.49\00:51:39.56
the devil is waiting outside
00:51:39.59\00:51:40.93
because he doesn't want to
be in that place of praise.
00:51:40.96\00:51:42.40
He doesn't wanna
hear that sermon.
00:51:42.43\00:51:43.80
He doesn't want to be in
that Sabbath School Bible Study.
00:51:43.83\00:51:45.53
He doesn't want to be there.
00:51:45.57\00:51:46.97
But he's waiting outside
for you on the battlefield,
00:51:47.00\00:51:49.44
which is really the mind
00:51:49.47\00:51:50.84
and every
situation that you encounter.
00:51:50.87\00:51:52.77
And so what
you're in essence saying
00:51:52.81\00:51:54.21
to those watching or
listen to the program
00:51:54.24\00:51:56.21
is call on the
Lord while He is near,
00:51:56.24\00:52:00.42
seek Him while He may be found,
00:52:00.45\00:52:01.78
call upon the
Lord while He is near.
00:52:01.82\00:52:03.69
So you think at that moment
00:52:03.72\00:52:06.15
is when the battle
is at his thickest.
00:52:06.19\00:52:08.79
Get the best weapon
and what's the best weapon?
00:52:08.82\00:52:10.73
You're at the
crossroads. God's Word.
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You have to choose
one way or the other.
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Say it again, Lisa.
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You're right at the crossroads,
and you have a choice.
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Am I gonna go this way
or I'm gonna go this way?
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Yes. Wow.
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And it's that
quick of a decision too,
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you know, you have
to make that decision.
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Otherwise, if
you go the other, if
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you don't make a decision,
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you're automatically gonna go
towards that stronghold and...
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Wow.
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If I had waited two seconds,
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and looked at
the temptation again,
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I would have failed.
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Instead, I instantly
knew what I choose, God.
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And so I reached for the card.
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That's right. And defeat Satan.
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And that's why I
trust my husband.
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Amen.
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Because I know
that he's a godly man,
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he's seeking after God.
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And if he wasn't spending
that time with God every day,
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then I would,
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I would not have the
trust that I have for him now.
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Amen, amen. So.
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These weapon cards are
available on our website.
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And we're gonna let our
viewers and listeners know
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where that's going to be.
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You know, we're about to go
00:53:09.82\00:53:11.49
to our news break
here in just a moment.
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But, honey, this
is, this material,
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we have to have
you come to our church.
00:53:15.72\00:53:17.63
Have to. We'd love to.
00:53:17.66\00:53:18.99
And do a seminar for
the men and for the women,
00:53:19.03\00:53:21.00
for the families.
00:53:21.03\00:53:22.36
And I know they're
those of you that are saying,
00:53:22.40\00:53:23.73
"Man, where are people
like this when we need them."
00:53:23.83\00:53:27.67
We're going to
take a short news break
00:53:27.70\00:53:29.37
and on the other
side of the news break,
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we're gonna let
you know by the way
00:53:32.17\00:53:33.54
before that news break,
how to get this information.
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The website is
where you can reach
00:53:36.31\00:53:38.88
Don and Lisa is
alifelikechrist.org.
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Alifelikechrist.org,
00:53:43.39\00:53:48.29
there is on the
bottom of your screen,
00:53:48.32\00:53:49.89
and on that
website, their phone number
00:53:49.99\00:53:51.53
and their email and
their contact information
00:53:51.56\00:53:53.96
on how you can
get in touch with them
00:53:54.03\00:53:55.46
to invite them is listed there.
00:53:55.50\00:53:57.30
But tight after the news break,
00:53:57.40\00:53:58.73
we'll come back with
a few closing thoughts.
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