I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends.
Welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang,
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but if you are
part of our family,
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you already know that.
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If this is your
first time tuning in,
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lock this network in.
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We believe with all of our heart
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that the Lord has
chosen this network
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to come into your
heart and your homes,
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and to get people ready
for the coming of our Lord
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which we do believe
is not very far away.
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And we believe
and commit ourselves
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to preaching an
undiluted three angels' messages
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as Danny Shelton says,
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one that would
counteract that counterfeit,
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and now we're celebrating
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another year of God's blessings,
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and we have a dynamic
program for you today.
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Now there's a
single word, Evangelism.
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Now you may say,
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"I've heard about
evangelism before."
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But not like this.
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And today we
want you to stay tuned
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because you might be wondering
how the Lord can use your life
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to get the gospel
out in your community
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or even if you are
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in different parts of the world,
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not the United States.
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Everyone has a mission,
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the commission go
is given to everyone
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who accepts the
invitation to come to Christ.
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Before we go any further,
thank you for your prayers
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and your financial
support of this network
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as we continue
going and growing,
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getting ready for
the coming of our Lord.
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Now we also
have some music today
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before you meet our guests.
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And right now, wonderful guest
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by the name of Mary Grace
is going to bless your heart
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and prepare the
stage for this program
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as she sings the
song, "Lord Be Glorified."
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Thank you, Mary.
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I say this
tenderly but truthfully.
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Whenever I hear Mary
Grace play the piano,
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I always say,
"I have no excuse."
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She glorifies God in spite
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and her ministry
is a blessing always.
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Thank you so much for that.
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Today, the program
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is going to be
a blessing to you.
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We're gonna sit
back and hear how God
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continues to use a method
He established through Christ.
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When Jesus says,
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"Go ye therefore
and teach all nations,"
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that commission has not ceased
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and it will not
until Jesus comes.
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So good to have, first
of all, Pastor Jason Morgan,
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good to have you here today.
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Glad to be here.
Thank you for having me.
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And to your right, I
can't reach over there,
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Pastor Harry Sharley,
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good to have
you here today also.
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First time here? First time.
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Okay, so I'll start with Jason.
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Is it okay if I call
you Jason? Absolutely.
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But to our viewing
and listening audience,
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kind of give us a
background of who you are,
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kind of how your
trek got started.
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We'll go into more detail,
but right now, who are you,
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where you come from,
and what you do right now?
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Yeah, born into
a Christian family,
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been a Seventh-day
Adventist all my life.
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And I was converted in 1997,
a little over 20 years ago.
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And just went
straight into evangelism,
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public evangelism,
been doing it ever since.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Married, single?
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I do have my wife,
Misty, I have two children.
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I have a girl, she's 18,
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and we have a son
that's 11, Stephen.
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Okay, wonderful.
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And where is home for you?
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Kalispell,
Montana. Kalispell, Montana.
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Pacific Northwest.
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Yeah, where the deer
and the antelope play.
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And the grizzly
bears. And the grizzly bears.
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Wow, that's God's country still.
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Some of the
most untouched places
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still in the United States.
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Absolutely.
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It's lot of beautiful
wilderness there for sure.
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Well, good to
have you here today.
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Good to have you
back, I should say.
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Thank you. Glad to be back.
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And, Pastor
Sharley, tell us about you,
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kind of give us an
overview of who you are
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and what you do right now?
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Well, I've been
pastoring for over 30 years.
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Before that, I
was in healthcare,
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I'm a registered nurse.
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And then directed
a small hospital's
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community health
promotion program.
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And so, grew up
in Washington State,
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pastored 20 years in Virginia,
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and now back in
Yakima, Washington.
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Okay. And you,
married, children?
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Yeah, my wife
Lorie, my three children,
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two boys, girl,
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all of them still in
school, graduate school,
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college, high school.
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Okay. Well, good.
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Good to have you both today.
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And our audience will
find out how you are associated
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in just a moment.
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But this program
is about something
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that is precious
to all of our hearts.
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You know, here at 3ABN,
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this is an evangelistic network.
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Everything we do is
with the goal in mind.
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And that's how the Lord...
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Tell us, Pastor Morgan...
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You said Jason is
comfortable. That's right, yeah.
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But you are...
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Tell us what ministry
you're connected with?
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Just started the
ministry, Prophetic Facts.
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It's an outreach ministry
that we do public evangelism,
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we do training
seminars for local churches,
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and we do revival
meetings for churches as well.
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Okay.
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And about how
old is your ministry?
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We just started this year, yeah.
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I started ministry
with Amazing Facts,
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I worked for the
ministry for 12 years,
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then I worked for
the North Specific Union
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for the last 6 years,
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and now just
starting my own ministry.
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Yeah, I want to take
the gospel to the world.
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That's good. And you know what?
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When you think
about the great challenge
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of getting the gospel out there,
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that was his
favorite, was the phrase,
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"The harvest is ripe
but the laborers are few.
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Pray that the
Lord of the harvest
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send forth laborers."
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Amen. Welcome to the field.
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Thank you.
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You've been out
there for 12 years,
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but welcome to the field.
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And when you take it personally,
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it takes on a
more in-depth meaning.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, so praise
the Lord for that.
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Prophetic
Facts, Amazing Facts...
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Prophetic Facts, yeah. Good.
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And so, does that mean
you focus more on prophecy
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or an overall broad
approach to ministry?
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I do.
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My passion is prophecy,
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it's what got
me into the church.
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Okay. Yeah.
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I found a book, I
worked in the prison.
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Found the book,
taking inmates to the library
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back to their cell.
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And on prophecy,
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one of our publications
that really enlightened me
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on the importance
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of the soon
coming of Jesus Christ,
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so I've always had
a passion for that,
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but always in the
context of the gospel.
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You know, we want
people to know that
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Jesus should be center
and foremost in everything.
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And so, that's
what brought me in,
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and I just had a
passion for traveling,
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sharing the everlasting
gospel in the context
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of the three angels' message.
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Okay, wonderful.
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You said you worked in a prison?
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I did, yeah, several years.
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Tell us about that?
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Ah, I was a
competitive bodybuilder
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and worked a rotating shift,
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worked in a
private prison system
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down south of
Dallas, Texas, worked in
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Johnson County
Sheriff's department as well.
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And it's about that
time when I was converted
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and decided to keep the Sabbath,
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and you know, soon after that,
I was called into the ministry.
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Look at that.
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So you've seen the
law enforcement side,
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you've seen the
correctional side,
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now you're looking
at the salvation side.
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Absolutely.
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It's like
justification, sanctification,
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and glorification,
almost the three part ministry.
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How different is that?
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'Cause I mean, I haven't...
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I mean, I know people
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that are involved
in prison ministries,
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we have a number of people
that are connected with 3ABN,
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and we also have one here.
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But to come from
the law enforcement side
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to the
correctional side and then,
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how did that transition happen?
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You talked about finding a book?
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Yeah, well, I was taking inmates
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to check out a
book late at night,
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and they're able to do that.
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And I found Desire of Ages.
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I started reading it.
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The first time
I've read the book,
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and just my life was
changing every single chapter.
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Wow. Day by day.
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It just transformed
my life as I would learn
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more about the life of
Jesus, His selfless life.
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I was attracted to that.
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You know, at the time,
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I was a competitive bodybuilder.
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I was eating, living, and
sleeping vanity, you know.
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And here's a man that
lived a selfless life,
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His every word,
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His every action was for others.
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And that convicted me.
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I mean, that, I
was attracted to that.
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I wanted that.
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And, you know, a battle
began to take place in my life.
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And by God's grace, you know,
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I surrendered myself to the Lord
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and, you know, the
local church had donated
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these books to the prison,
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and there is a local elder
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that would give Bible
studies to the prisoners,
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and he discovered that
I was reading the books,
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invited me to
church and nurtured me
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and that brought me
in, and I was baptized.
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That's an amazing story. Yeah.
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Isn't that
amazing story, Pastor?
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Fantastic what God does.
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You know, a lot of
times, we go and do prison work.
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Matter of fact,
when I was younger,
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I loved prison ministry,
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and we still
have a very active one
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here in our church.
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But a lot of times,
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you meet those who
work in these institutions,
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and you think,
"Well, he's just a guard."
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But God got you started there
and then moved you through.
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Right. Yeah.
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You learn a lot, you know,
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the motto is fair,
firm, and consistent
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when you're
working with the inmates.
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And, you know, it
kind of carries over
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because when
you're out on the field,
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you have to
incorporate those principles,
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you know, when
you're working with people.
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Wow, it does happen.
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Pastor Harry, that's
an amazing principle.
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What about your
trek in ministry?
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You know, I
started out in healthcare,
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and I never thought that
I was going to be a pastor,
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but I did have a passion
for leading people to Jesus.
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I wanted to be
a health educator,
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Bible worker.
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And God
transferred me into pastoring,
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and I've been very thankful
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to be in God's
great harvest field.
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Wow.
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And you're still in
God's great harvest field.
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Absolutely. Both
of you are, you know.
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But your ministry,
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Prophetic Facts,
you've been involved,
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as you said with
Amazing Facts about 12 years,
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but Prophetic
Facts has taken you
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to some unique
places around the world,
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and we want to talk
about some of those.
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One of those that we
mentioned prior to the program,
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we like to get together
and talk about it, the Congo.
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I want you kind of walk us,
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you have some
pictures with you today.
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Walk us through
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because people
listening may hear the Congo.
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I know that's
somewhere in Africa,
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but when we think of
ministry in a simplistic way
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here sometimes in America
but talk about that first?
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Well, little
background testimony
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to our experience in Congo is
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I was doing a series of meetings
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in Ardmore, Oklahoma.
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One of the
leaders has a ministry
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called Precious
Present Truth, and they have...
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Most of their ministry
is focused in Africa, Congo,
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Rwanda, Uganda,
and Nigeria as well.
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So we were filming the series,
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and she was putting on
the makeup for the filming,
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and we were talking
about Congo and her ministry.
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And she says, "We need
a speaker to go to Congo.
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We're looking for someone
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to do a series
of meetings there."
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Well, they were gonna
do a series of meetings
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in the local
University of Kinshasa
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which is the capital of Congo.
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And she said,
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"But we're gonna do another
series in the local prison."
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I said, "What prison?"
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She says, "I
don't know yet exactly."
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But she gave me
the contact information
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of the local ministers there.
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So I reached out to them,
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and they told me it
was the Makala prison.
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I did some
research on Makala prison.
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It's the
largest prison in Congo.
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Wow.
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And just a little
background to Congo,
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it's a war-torn country.
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It's a mineral
rich country, they have,
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you know, the blood
diamond business in the past,
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they have...
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The richest
country in uranium, coltan
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which is a very
rare metal that they use
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in the
manufacturing of cell phones.
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So you have a very
rich, mineral rich country,
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there's a lot of
corruption there.
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But the prison,
the New York Times
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had an article a
year before I arrived
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that they had a
prison break there.
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Now this is incredible.
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Eight thousand
inmates, 4,200 people broke out,
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80 people got killed, 20
vehicles got burned down.
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So this is the
prison they want us to go
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and do meetings.
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But you know, Jesus
says that gospel is to go
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to all the world.
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And it's a challenge, of course,
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but still, there's people
who need to hear the gospel.
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So I accepted it and...
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Yeah, this picture here,
is that outside the prison?
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This is outside
the prison, yeah.
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When you think
about that kind of...
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And I'm looking at that
tower that they have out there,
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and I'm comparing
that security tower
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to the ones in
the United States,
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that doesn't look that secure.
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No.
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You know, it
doesn't look that secure.
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And this is what?
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This is a checkpoint actually.
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There's four
different checkpoints
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that we had to go
through to get into the prison.
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But this is actual corridor
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that takes you
out to a courtyard
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where they have
different activities
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for the prisoners
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and then where we set up
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our tents to
have our series there.
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So while you're
walking through this corridor,
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you're at the mercy of
the Lord and the prisoners?
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Absolutely. The Lord is...
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And this is a picture of...
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This is a picture
of our group of people
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that came out to
hear the messages
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each and every morning.
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So the preaching was in the...
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Well, obviously,
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you don't want to do it
at night, not in a prison.
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Right, there's not much...
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I mean, they have
electricity in the offices
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but not where the prisoners are.
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So they would
actually set up panels,
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solar panels to give
power to our speakers
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and to our
computer and projector.
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We had a sheet that
would hang down from a wall
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that we would project the images
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as they would learn
each and everything.
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During the day?
Absolutely, yeah.
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Wow, that's a challenge. Yeah.
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So a lot of what you're saying
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has to carry
through the conviction
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of your
preaching of proclaiming.
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People are examining
you every word you say.
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You preach the Word,
the Word does the work.
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Wow, that's amazing. Yeah.
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That's a kind of evangelism.
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So what kind of results
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did you get there in the prison?
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Well, we actually
had a series of miracles.
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They wouldn't let
us into the prison
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when we got there.
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There is a verbal
agreement that we would come in,
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but the relationship
between Congo and United States
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is a little shaky based
upon their inhuman treatment
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of their prisoners.
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So they thought I was a spy,
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so they refused
to let me come in.
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So we didn't know...
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The kind of document
that's in secret, so to speak.
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You know, we didn't
know what we're gonna do
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and I remember...
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I wrote a series
of bridge sermons
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for Your Best
Pathways to Health with Lela,
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you know, Lela?
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Yeah, Doctor Lela. Lewis.
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And she had mentioned to
me prior to me going to Congo
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that she had a friend
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that worked in the
government of Congo, the DRC.
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So I called her, she
gave me his phone number,
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and I called
him, and he answered.
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He's actually the minister
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for social
justice in the government.
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So I told him our
dilemma, we can't get in.
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So he said, "Just
stay tight, I'll be there."
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So it took him
about three hours,
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but he arrived and
got us into the prison.
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Wow.
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So you know, the
devil does not want these
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men and women
to hear the gospel.
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It was the very
first time that anyone
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from the outside
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would do a series of
meetings in that prison.
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Wow. Yeah.
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Well, the mission of
Christ is to set at liberty
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those who are bound,
set the captive free.
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Absolutely.
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Proclaiming the
acceptable year of the Lord.
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And a lot of times
when you go into inmates,
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when you sit down
before inmates, a lot of times,
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this is what the Lord
allowed to happen to them
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to get the gospel
proclaimed to them
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because many of them
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wouldn't hear it on the streets.
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No way.
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They wouldn't hear it
outside of the prison walls.
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This, for many of them,
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is probably the only opportunity
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that they will ever
hear the gospel perhaps.
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But the Lord
wanted to send there.
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You know, we
started with an incentive,
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we couldn't speak
to all the prisoners
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but we would hand
our bread for them
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because they have
their own gardens,
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they don't have a cafeteria
like we do here in the States
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where they can go through
a line and get their food.
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They don't have anything to eat.
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So they have to grow their food.
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They have to grow their own food
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in the prison, yeah.
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They're all
working in the gardens.
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If they don't
work, they don't eat.
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So American prisons are
like hotels in comparison.
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Absolutely, yeah. Wow.
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It's amazing.
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I'm looking at your
background now, police, prisons,
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and then you go to
set the captive free.
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Yeah, liberation.
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Isn't that amazing?
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Liberation, I don't want
to call it liberation theology
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but they are
being set at liberty.
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And what kind of team
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did you have that went with you?
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You and who else?
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We had a team of local pastors
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and elders of the local churches
00:19:39.14\00:19:40.98
that would go
in with us to help.
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We also had a guy that
work for the government
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that would be our protection,
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if you will, that
would let us in and out.
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Yeah, you had a
picture of an escort group,
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kind of your security detail.
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I like to bring that
up because it was amazing.
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It was not a safe
place to be all the time
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but you had a group of
people committed to your safety.
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And I call that
your escort group,
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maybe they could
bring that picture up
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to show this group of
guys that helped you get in
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or kind of kept you
secure when you were there.
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They're great group of guys,
very faithful, hard working.
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Yeah, there
they are right there.
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Yeah, the escorts. The escorts.
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That's good, people committed.
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Now were they workers there,
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or where they part
of the pastoral team
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outside of the ministry.
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Well, the guy on my
right with the red shirt
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and the striped ties, Meshak,
he's actually a prisoner.
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He's my translator.
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Yeah. So he's in there?
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He is in there, he's
been there for 17 years.
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Yeah.
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But he's dressed like a pastor.
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You know what's
interesting about this prison
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is they wouldn't
let me bring my phone in
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or any type of equipment.
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They gave us a hard time.
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I couldn't bring any camera in.
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But once you
get into the prison,
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the prisoners have cell phones,
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so they're taking
these pictures for us.
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So these are the pictures
you got from the inmates.
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That's right. Wow, wow, wow.
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What do you think
about that, Pastor Harry?
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Have you had a
chance to go to the Congo?
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I've not been into Congo,
I've been in 28 other countries
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but that's not
one that I've been in.
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So you have seen evangelism
00:21:05.83\00:21:07.50
outside of the walls
of the United States also?
00:21:07.53\00:21:09.40
You know, I've had
the privilege of assisting
00:21:09.43\00:21:11.70
with evangelism in Kiev area
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in Simferopol and
also in the Philippines,
00:21:16.71\00:21:20.98
and in some
other places overseas.
00:21:21.01\00:21:23.01
How about that!
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So by the time
we're gonna get to you,
00:21:24.51\00:21:26.35
your story in just a moment
how the Lord linked you up to,
00:21:26.38\00:21:29.08
but not only
were you in the Congo,
00:21:29.12\00:21:32.09
but as Pastor
Harry just mentioned,
00:21:32.12\00:21:36.29
Pastor Sharley just mentioned,
00:21:36.32\00:21:37.99
you also had a chance
to go to the Philippines.
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I did.
00:21:40.30\00:21:41.63
Yeah, I partnered with It
Is Written this past summer.
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Is that John Bradshaw?
00:21:44.33\00:21:46.47
It is, yeah, John.
00:21:46.50\00:21:47.84
So I think I saw when
he was preaching out...
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You were with that
team then? That's right.
00:21:49.74\00:21:52.74
We had a team of 47
people from around the world
00:21:52.77\00:21:56.28
that would come and contribute.
00:21:56.31\00:21:58.48
We had 57 sites
around Manila, Philippines.
00:21:58.51\00:22:04.09
So when you guys
arrive, that was the reaping?
00:22:04.12\00:22:06.59
It was, yeah. Okay.
00:22:06.62\00:22:07.96
It's a large crowd too,
00:22:07.99\00:22:09.32
I think you have a
picture showing that,
00:22:09.36\00:22:10.73
that large auditorium.
00:22:10.76\00:22:12.09
Yeah, astrodome, yeah,
00:22:12.13\00:22:13.46
where John
Bradshaw was preaching.
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Let's look at that
one there. There it is.
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You know, that's the...
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That's at the
University of Kinshasa in Congo.
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That's the Congo.
00:22:21.10\00:22:22.44
Speaking of that,
you did some meetings,
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now let's just go with that.
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You did some meetings
not only during the day...
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But also in the evening. Okay.
00:22:28.28\00:22:29.61
So that's a
picture of the evening?
00:22:29.64\00:22:30.98
At the university.
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So that's the university
meetings in the Congo.
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Yeah.
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We ended up with 536 baptisms,
God blessed us with that.
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We have a really
good series and meetings.
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Amen. Praise God.
Praise the Lord for that.
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So you were busy day and
night preaching twice a day?
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You know, I would speak
00:22:44.76\00:22:46.16
at 9 o'clock in the
morning at the prison.
00:22:46.19\00:22:48.10
Okay.
00:22:48.13\00:22:49.46
But I would have to
get there two hours,
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prepare two hours before
00:22:51.63\00:22:52.97
'cause the traffic was horrible,
00:22:53.00\00:22:54.34
12 million people in Kinshasa.
00:22:54.37\00:22:56.44
Wow.
00:22:56.47\00:22:57.81
Yeah, it's a very
largest city in Africa.
00:22:57.84\00:22:59.51
Yeah.
00:22:59.54\00:23:00.88
I mean, the traffic is so bad.
00:23:00.91\00:23:02.28
I mean, it's...
00:23:02.31\00:23:04.25
Anything goes.
00:23:04.28\00:23:05.61
There's no right,
left side of the road.
00:23:05.65\00:23:07.12
It's just...
00:23:07.15\00:23:08.48
There's people,
there's motorcycles,
00:23:08.52\00:23:09.85
there's cars, yeah.
00:23:09.88\00:23:11.22
Speed limits?
00:23:11.25\00:23:12.59
No speed limits, you can even...
00:23:12.62\00:23:13.96
I mean, it's packed
with so many people,
00:23:13.99\00:23:15.59
you can't even hardly move.
00:23:15.62\00:23:17.33
It's kind of like
oxymoron, organized chaos.
00:23:17.36\00:23:20.10
But here you are. Yeah.
00:23:20.13\00:23:22.50
And the results,
00:23:22.53\00:23:23.87
the devil didn't want
you to get into the prison.
00:23:23.90\00:23:26.37
Right.
00:23:26.40\00:23:27.74
You pretty much had more reasons
00:23:27.77\00:23:29.10
not to do it
than reasons to do it.
00:23:29.14\00:23:31.27
But then, when you
think about the souls...
00:23:31.31\00:23:34.34
Jesus is coming
soon. That's right.
00:23:34.38\00:23:35.91
I mean, these people
have to hear the gospel,
00:23:35.94\00:23:37.85
and there's such a need.
00:23:37.88\00:23:39.21
You know,
whenever you go overseas,
00:23:39.25\00:23:40.82
it's such a
blessing and privilege
00:23:40.85\00:23:42.18
and honor to be able
to share with people,
00:23:42.22\00:23:43.59
different cultures.
00:23:43.62\00:23:45.22
But you know, after time
you're ready to come back,
00:23:45.25\00:23:47.16
right, come back
home, no place like home.
00:23:47.19\00:23:49.46
But in Congo,
the need is so great.
00:23:49.49\00:23:52.96
I just didn't have that feeling,
00:23:52.99\00:23:54.53
I just wanted to stay
00:23:54.56\00:23:55.90
and then minister to the people.
00:23:55.93\00:23:57.27
I mean, the need was
so great that people,
00:23:57.30\00:23:59.83
they eat it up, they
love to hear the gospel,
00:23:59.87\00:24:01.87
and lives are changing,
00:24:01.90\00:24:03.30
and it was just a
privilege to be there.
00:24:03.34\00:24:05.21
Now in the evening meetings,
00:24:05.24\00:24:06.57
you had an opportunity
00:24:06.61\00:24:07.94
to have more of
your conveniences
00:24:07.98\00:24:09.31
like your screens,
everything else that you have.
00:24:09.34\00:24:12.98
And how long were
these meetings in there?
00:24:13.01\00:24:15.22
Two weeks.
00:24:15.25\00:24:16.58
Yeah, every night for two weeks.
00:24:16.62\00:24:17.95
Wow. That's wonderful. Yeah.
00:24:17.99\00:24:19.32
That's good.
00:24:19.35\00:24:20.69
And so this
passion for evangelism.
00:24:20.76\00:24:23.12
And I say passion,
00:24:23.16\00:24:24.49
you know, if you're
listening to the program,
00:24:24.53\00:24:25.86
what God calls you to
do, if it's not a passion,
00:24:25.89\00:24:28.26
it's an occupation.
00:24:28.30\00:24:29.63
But for you,
00:24:29.66\00:24:31.00
it's more than an
occupation, it's a passion.
00:24:31.03\00:24:32.37
Absolutely.
00:24:32.40\00:24:33.74
When you think about
that, Pastor, is that correct?
00:24:33.77\00:24:35.34
Absolutely.
00:24:35.37\00:24:36.71
If you're not passionate
about what you're doing,
00:24:36.74\00:24:39.14
it's just an occupation.
00:24:39.17\00:24:40.68
But you're looking
forward to the greater,
00:24:40.71\00:24:42.88
you know, to the greater reward,
00:24:42.91\00:24:44.58
which is, "Well done, thou,
good and faithful servant."
00:24:44.61\00:24:46.61
That's right, yeah.
00:24:46.65\00:24:48.05
And anything you want to
input on that, Pastor Harry?
00:24:48.08\00:24:51.29
You know, I counted a
privilege to be able to be paid
00:24:51.32\00:24:55.19
to do what I love to do.
00:24:55.22\00:24:57.23
We are blessed to be a
part of a church that does that.
00:24:57.26\00:25:01.13
And I've often said
to people, we don't...
00:25:01.16\00:25:03.97
What's the phrase here?
00:25:04.00\00:25:05.40
We are not in
this for the salary.
00:25:05.43\00:25:07.87
That's one, if
you're an Adventist pastor,
00:25:07.90\00:25:09.60
you're not in
this for the salary.
00:25:09.64\00:25:10.97
I can't say that,
00:25:11.01\00:25:12.34
that's not the case for other
pastor of other denominations.
00:25:12.37\00:25:14.51
But we are definitely
not here for the money.
00:25:14.54\00:25:16.95
Laying up your
treasure in heaven.
00:25:16.98\00:25:18.31
No Adventist pastors
can get rich doing it.
00:25:18.35\00:25:20.12
Exactly.
00:25:20.15\00:25:21.58
But the word Adventist,
00:25:21.62\00:25:22.95
we are looking
forward to that great Advent.
00:25:22.98\00:25:25.22
That's right, as you
just alluded to there.
00:25:25.25\00:25:27.16
But now let's get
back to the Philippines.
00:25:27.19\00:25:28.62
Sure.
00:25:28.66\00:25:30.03
When you went with
Pastor John Bradshaw,
00:25:30.06\00:25:31.59
that was a reaping meeting,
and the crowd was large crowd
00:25:31.63\00:25:36.46
that you
gathered there in the...
00:25:36.50\00:25:38.60
What did you call
it again? Astrodome.
00:25:38.63\00:25:40.17
In the astrodome. In Manila.
00:25:40.24\00:25:42.17
Okay. Yeah.
00:25:42.20\00:25:43.54
And we have a picture, I think,
00:25:43.61\00:25:44.94
that shows us
that astrodome there.
00:25:44.97\00:25:46.31
Wow.
00:25:46.34\00:25:47.68
This is group of people
00:25:47.71\00:25:49.04
where John Bradshaw
made an appeal for baptism,
00:25:49.08\00:25:50.65
they came up to the front.
00:25:50.68\00:25:52.01
These are the
respondents? That's right.
00:25:52.05\00:25:53.82
Oh, okay.
00:25:53.85\00:25:55.35
These are the
people that responded.
00:25:55.38\00:25:57.85
I tell you, and how many
sites did you have again?
00:25:57.89\00:25:59.69
Fifty seven
sites. Fifty seven sites.
00:25:59.72\00:26:02.19
They called them barangay.
00:26:02.22\00:26:03.83
So they had several
churches around Manila,
00:26:03.86\00:26:06.56
but they would all branch out,
00:26:06.59\00:26:07.93
use their members
to go to back alleys,
00:26:07.96\00:26:10.67
basketball courts,
00:26:10.70\00:26:12.03
anywhere they could set
up a series of meetings.
00:26:12.07\00:26:15.44
And so people can come
out and not have to travel.
00:26:15.47\00:26:19.54
This place here in Manila,
this is during the rainy season.
00:26:19.57\00:26:22.04
So we had a big challenge.
00:26:22.08\00:26:24.65
It was flooding, parts
of Manila were shut down
00:26:24.68\00:26:27.05
because of it.
00:26:27.12\00:26:28.45
But one thing about the
people in the Philippines
00:26:28.48\00:26:29.85
is that they were so excited.
00:26:29.88\00:26:31.32
You didn't hear
one person complain.
00:26:31.35\00:26:33.12
You know, when
we had to shut down
00:26:33.15\00:26:34.49
a site because of the flooding,
00:26:34.52\00:26:35.86
they were ready
for the next night,
00:26:35.89\00:26:37.23
and they would come out
00:26:37.26\00:26:38.59
and just respond
in a powerful way.
00:26:38.63\00:26:41.93
Amen. Yeah.
00:26:41.96\00:26:43.47
When you go through it,
as we bring up the pictures,
00:26:43.50\00:26:46.60
we'll have you
comment on them again.
00:26:46.63\00:26:49.14
You know, the
amazing things about...
00:26:49.17\00:26:51.37
One of the amazing
things about being in a place
00:26:51.41\00:26:53.41
where people are
passionate about the gospel,
00:26:53.48\00:26:56.01
we always pray for
that to happen in America,
00:26:56.04\00:26:58.21
you know, one of
the roadblocks here,
00:26:58.25\00:27:00.25
we get results
outside of America
00:27:00.32\00:27:01.92
but it's difficult
00:27:01.95\00:27:03.28
because there's
such distractions.
00:27:03.32\00:27:05.15
What are some
of the distractions
00:27:05.19\00:27:06.52
that you experience in
places like the Philippines?
00:27:06.55\00:27:09.56
What would you say
was a distraction if any?
00:27:09.59\00:27:11.76
For the people?
00:27:14.30\00:27:15.63
Yeah, just to evangelism
00:27:15.66\00:27:17.97
because there's a distraction
in each culture but...
00:27:18.00\00:27:21.47
Because there's so much poverty,
00:27:21.50\00:27:23.51
everyone is hustling to survive.
00:27:23.54\00:27:25.61
Okay.
00:27:25.64\00:27:26.98
And that can be a challenge
in that it's competition,
00:27:27.01\00:27:31.38
you want to get them
to the meetings, you know.
00:27:31.41\00:27:33.55
And there's a great need there.
00:27:33.62\00:27:36.89
And so I would say
that that would be...
00:27:36.92\00:27:39.92
That was probably one
of our greatest challenges
00:27:39.95\00:27:41.69
because they have
to work, you know.
00:27:41.72\00:27:43.53
Trying to make those ends meet.
00:27:43.56\00:27:44.89
Absolutely, yeah. That's true.
00:27:44.93\00:27:46.26
That makes...
00:27:46.29\00:27:47.63
Well, while you were there,
00:27:47.66\00:27:49.50
you had the
privilege of meeting...
00:27:49.53\00:27:52.20
There was a person
that you met that...
00:27:52.23\00:27:55.50
I don't want to
steal your thunder,
00:27:55.54\00:27:57.01
talk about one of the
most unique people you met
00:27:57.04\00:27:58.61
when you were
in the Philippines?
00:27:58.64\00:28:00.91
Francisca Susano,
00:28:00.98\00:28:03.01
she is the oldest living
person in the world today.
00:28:03.04\00:28:05.35
She's Seventh-day Adventist.
00:28:05.38\00:28:06.72
She's 121 years old.
00:28:06.75\00:28:08.55
Hundred and twenty
one. Hundred and twenty one.
00:28:08.58\00:28:11.12
And what does she
have in her hand here?
00:28:11.15\00:28:13.36
That's her to the right.
00:28:13.39\00:28:14.72
I have her birth certificate,
and she's holding a certificate
00:28:14.76\00:28:20.70
from the Philippines on her age.
00:28:20.73\00:28:22.86
Basically, acknowledging
that she's lived so long.
00:28:22.90\00:28:28.07
Do you realize what
happened in the last 121 years?
00:28:28.10\00:28:32.91
I mean, there has been
the technological explosion.
00:28:32.94\00:28:35.61
We went through...
00:28:35.64\00:28:36.98
Wow.
00:28:37.05\00:28:38.55
Well, give me
chance to think about it.
00:28:38.58\00:28:40.45
So much has
happened in 121 years.
00:28:40.52\00:28:42.88
The invention of flight.
00:28:42.92\00:28:44.29
Right. Exactly.
00:28:44.32\00:28:45.65
And everything else since.
00:28:45.69\00:28:47.06
World War I, World War II,
00:28:47.09\00:28:48.86
we're talking
about American history.
00:28:48.89\00:28:50.36
Korean war, Vietnam war, I mean,
00:28:50.43\00:28:53.60
we had countries we
bombed that are now our allies,
00:28:53.63\00:28:58.13
the depression in America.
00:28:58.17\00:29:00.44
Man!
00:29:00.47\00:29:02.10
The industrial revolution,
just so much that happened.
00:29:02.14\00:29:05.41
And now in the
last 20 something years,
00:29:05.44\00:29:08.24
the digital
explosion, maybe even...
00:29:08.28\00:29:11.55
I say last 25, 30 years.
00:29:11.58\00:29:14.32
And can you imagine
to come from a generation
00:29:14.35\00:29:16.32
where there are
no televisions...
00:29:16.35\00:29:19.02
I don't know if
there were any radios
00:29:19.05\00:29:20.39
in the year she was born, 1897.
00:29:20.46\00:29:24.63
I don't know. How
did you communicate?
00:29:24.66\00:29:27.76
Hello, neighbor!
00:29:27.80\00:29:29.13
So what was it
like to meet this lady?
00:29:29.16\00:29:31.60
That was a blessing.
00:29:31.63\00:29:32.97
Yeah, I was honored to meet her.
00:29:33.00\00:29:34.34
You know, she said three things
00:29:34.37\00:29:35.77
that contributed
to her longevity.
00:29:35.80\00:29:37.64
Number one,
always stay positive,
00:29:37.67\00:29:39.01
always trust in the Lord.
00:29:39.04\00:29:40.38
Number two, she ate
a lot of vegetables.
00:29:40.41\00:29:43.01
Oh, there she is. Yeah.
00:29:43.04\00:29:44.68
She said she loved greens.
00:29:44.71\00:29:46.95
And number three, she says
she never ate past 6 o'clock.
00:29:47.02\00:29:49.38
She'd never eat late meals.
00:29:49.42\00:29:50.89
Really?
00:29:50.92\00:29:52.25
That's what she said
when I asked her, you know.
00:29:52.29\00:29:53.66
Past 6 o'clock.
00:29:53.69\00:29:55.02
So are we on target for 121?
00:29:55.06\00:29:58.29
Wow, that's amazing.
The Lord blessed her.
00:29:58.33\00:30:00.53
And CNN, I understand,
talked about this lady.
00:30:00.60\00:30:04.43
They did, they came
out to interview her
00:30:04.47\00:30:06.37
to talk to her.
00:30:06.40\00:30:07.74
Yeah, about her age.
00:30:07.77\00:30:09.10
So she's beyond a centenarian,
00:30:09.14\00:30:10.54
and that what they call somebody
00:30:10.61\00:30:11.94
that's at that age.
00:30:11.97\00:30:14.34
And then you had baptisms in...
00:30:14.38\00:30:19.05
You talked about the
baptisms you had in the Congo,
00:30:19.08\00:30:20.52
but talk about...
00:30:20.55\00:30:21.88
The baptisms in the
Philippines, we did.
00:30:21.92\00:30:24.35
We baptized 3,147 souls,
00:30:24.39\00:30:28.69
yeah, as a result of
all of our efforts there.
00:30:28.72\00:30:32.26
And that was one of the...
00:30:32.29\00:30:34.10
That's one of the
baptismal sites there.
00:30:34.13\00:30:36.77
Three thousand, one
hundred and forty seven,
00:30:36.80\00:30:39.70
sounds like the day of Pentecost
00:30:39.73\00:30:41.20
in the Book of Acts.
00:30:41.24\00:30:42.57
And the Lord
added to the church.
00:30:42.60\00:30:43.94
It was exciting to
see for sure, yeah.
00:30:44.01\00:30:46.04
And how many pastors...
00:30:46.07\00:30:47.84
I mean, to do
that kind of baptism,
00:30:47.88\00:30:50.38
you had the
local pastors helping.
00:30:50.45\00:30:52.05
They're very organized, yeah.
00:30:52.08\00:30:53.72
From the moment we got
there, they were very organized.
00:30:53.75\00:30:55.62
And what they do is
they organize their members,
00:30:55.65\00:30:58.25
total member involvement to,
00:30:58.29\00:31:01.36
you know, to be
spiritual friends
00:31:01.39\00:31:02.92
for those that
are being baptized.
00:31:02.96\00:31:04.46
And not just
there to encourage them
00:31:04.49\00:31:06.26
but they bring
them in like family.
00:31:06.29\00:31:08.63
But the pastors at
local different churches
00:31:08.66\00:31:10.87
were ready for the baptisms.
00:31:10.90\00:31:12.50
They had it all
organized for that.
00:31:12.53\00:31:14.67
Wow. Yeah.
00:31:14.70\00:31:16.44
And that lasted...
00:31:16.47\00:31:19.11
That was a reaping meeting,
so you were there for how long?
00:31:19.14\00:31:21.41
Two weeks. Two weeks also.
00:31:21.44\00:31:23.24
I actually had a chance
to peek in on those meetings
00:31:23.28\00:31:26.61
when John Bradshaw,
00:31:26.65\00:31:27.98
I think he was
preaching in a barangay,
00:31:28.02\00:31:29.35
I just saw him with white top.
00:31:29.38\00:31:32.42
And I was saying,
"I wonder who that is."
00:31:32.45\00:31:34.59
But then I listen to,
you know, that accent,
00:31:34.62\00:31:38.63
that's John Bradshaw.
00:31:38.66\00:31:40.00
My wife and I watched it
on, I think, it was on YouTube,
00:31:40.03\00:31:42.26
there was a
streaming coming through.
00:31:42.30\00:31:44.07
That was an amazing thing
in evangelisms still today.
00:31:44.10\00:31:46.94
In America, it's a
challenge in some places but...
00:31:46.97\00:31:50.51
because back in the day,
00:31:50.54\00:31:53.38
I could use that term
with Pastor Sharley there.
00:31:53.41\00:31:55.74
Back in the day, evangelism
used to last for six weeks.
00:31:55.78\00:31:59.45
And then we go a little
further back than that...
00:31:59.48\00:32:01.98
Six months. Six months, yeah.
00:32:02.02\00:32:04.09
But that was before my time.
00:32:04.12\00:32:07.06
You opted out of that one.
00:32:07.09\00:32:08.69
But you know,
people like C.D. Brooks
00:32:08.72\00:32:11.86
and many of our
pioneer evangelists,
00:32:11.89\00:32:13.90
E. E. Cleveland,
Harry Feierabend,
00:32:13.93\00:32:19.30
all these guys,
when they go to town,
00:32:19.33\00:32:20.94
they're gonna be
there four to six months.
00:32:20.97\00:32:22.70
I mean, that's
serious commitment.
00:32:22.74\00:32:24.24
Nowadays, we have
to take evangelism
00:32:24.31\00:32:27.21
into different direction.
00:32:27.28\00:32:28.61
Talk about some of
your methods of evangelism?
00:32:28.64\00:32:30.15
Well, typically, my
series are four weeks.
00:32:30.18\00:32:32.58
We do five nights a
week for four weeks.
00:32:32.61\00:32:34.15
We have 24 presentations.
00:32:34.22\00:32:36.15
I feel like it gives
us enough time to get,
00:32:36.18\00:32:38.52
you know, the full
gospel message to the people
00:32:38.55\00:32:40.76
that are coming.
00:32:40.79\00:32:42.12
You had to make
intelligent decisions, yeah.
00:32:42.16\00:32:44.69
And that is good too.
00:32:44.73\00:32:46.19
But then you had a chance...
00:32:46.23\00:32:47.60
Now, I'm gonna bring
Pastor Sharley anyhow.
00:32:47.63\00:32:49.53
You had an
opportunity not to do evangelism
00:32:49.56\00:32:51.70
not only in the
Congo and the Philippines
00:32:51.73\00:32:53.94
but a number of
other places here too...
00:32:53.97\00:32:56.30
We talked about some
of the miracle stories.
00:32:56.34\00:33:00.58
Did you talk about Meshak?
00:33:00.61\00:33:03.04
Oh, yeah, the Congo translator,
he also was an inmate.
00:33:03.08\00:33:07.62
But let me go to Pastor
Sharley now because in Yak...
00:33:07.65\00:33:13.66
Good things are not only
happening overseas, correct?
00:33:13.69\00:33:16.26
Absolutely.
00:33:16.29\00:33:17.63
Right here in the
USA and around the world,
00:33:17.66\00:33:21.83
the Holy Spirit is
working. That's right.
00:33:21.86\00:33:24.67
So let's talk
about how did you plan
00:33:24.70\00:33:26.10
to get Pastor Morgan
00:33:26.13\00:33:28.60
to your church to do evangelism?
00:33:28.64\00:33:30.14
Well, we tried
about three times,
00:33:30.21\00:33:32.17
didn't we, Pastor Jason,
00:33:32.21\00:33:34.01
to have you come to Yakima
and something seem to interrupt
00:33:34.08\00:33:37.55
the schedule each time,
00:33:37.58\00:33:38.91
and so we
delayed it another year
00:33:38.95\00:33:40.62
and then another year.
00:33:40.65\00:33:41.98
And then finally, we
started in September,
00:33:42.02\00:33:45.25
and we had a tremendous
response from our community.
00:33:45.29\00:33:50.43
We're in a city of
about 94,000 people
00:33:50.46\00:33:55.46
and we tried to invite everyone
00:33:55.50\00:33:58.30
by mailing a personal
invitation to each home.
00:33:58.33\00:34:02.44
And mailed out
over 40,000 invitations,
00:34:02.47\00:34:07.38
and we had, on the
opening weekend over 110 guests
00:34:07.41\00:34:14.12
besides those who are
attending and supporting
00:34:14.15\00:34:17.42
from our local churches.
00:34:17.49\00:34:18.82
Okay.
00:34:18.85\00:34:20.89
And was that a
four-week series also?
00:34:20.96\00:34:23.53
It was, yeah. Okay.
00:34:23.56\00:34:24.89
You know, they say it's never
a good time to hold a series
00:34:24.93\00:34:26.56
because the devil is gonna
repeat with every single time.
00:34:26.59\00:34:29.03
But this, even though
we were trying to schedule
00:34:29.06\00:34:31.47
the right time,
it was the right time
00:34:31.50\00:34:33.44
when we find no
better time for the series
00:34:33.47\00:34:35.37
because the people
that came for the community
00:34:35.40\00:34:36.81
which is so
ripe, really excited,
00:34:36.84\00:34:39.64
and they stayed with us
through the four-week series.
00:34:39.67\00:34:41.81
You know, the beautiful
thing about evangelism is
00:34:41.84\00:34:43.58
you might come to
be, you never know,
00:34:43.65\00:34:45.68
there are three
methods to evangelism.
00:34:45.71\00:34:47.32
What are they?
00:34:47.35\00:34:48.68
Planting, watering, and...
00:34:48.72\00:34:50.79
Harvesting. And harvesting.
00:34:50.82\00:34:52.49
And you might be, your series
for some, might be a planting,
00:34:52.52\00:34:55.59
for others, harvesting,
for others, watering.
00:34:55.62\00:34:59.86
You never know,
in that audience,
00:34:59.89\00:35:01.76
there are at least
those three categories
00:35:01.80\00:35:05.20
are represented by
everybody sitting there.
00:35:05.23\00:35:07.77
It's a process.
It's a cycle, for sure.
00:35:07.80\00:35:10.34
Now, the reason I mentioned that
00:35:10.41\00:35:11.74
is because a lot of times,
you know, we're so excited
00:35:11.77\00:35:13.58
about the harvesting that comes.
00:35:13.61\00:35:16.04
We never go to an
evangelistic series and say,
00:35:16.08\00:35:18.91
"You know, I'm not looking
forward to baptizing anybody."
00:35:18.95\00:35:21.95
I mean, that's the most...
00:35:21.98\00:35:23.59
Was the pessimistic
evangelist outreach.
00:35:23.62\00:35:26.39
But we know that God
has a timing to evangelism.
00:35:26.42\00:35:29.02
So I'm glad you say that
because Pastor Sharley said,
00:35:29.06\00:35:32.46
"We tried many
times to get you there."
00:35:32.49\00:35:34.80
But then the Lord
knows when the time is right.
00:35:34.83\00:35:36.97
Absolutely. That's right.
00:35:37.00\00:35:38.37
And we are
praying all along the way
00:35:38.40\00:35:40.47
that God would lead.
00:35:40.54\00:35:41.90
And you know, when you talk
about an evangelistic cycle,
00:35:41.94\00:35:46.27
that's really important.
00:35:46.31\00:35:47.94
It isn't just a reaping
series that's evangelism.
00:35:47.98\00:35:51.41
It's how we live our lives.
00:35:51.45\00:35:52.78
It's how we share
Jesus in the workplace.
00:35:52.81\00:35:55.05
And in Yakima where I live,
00:35:55.08\00:35:57.39
I live surrounded on
three sides by orchards,
00:35:57.42\00:36:01.12
apple orchards, pear orchards,
00:36:01.16\00:36:03.06
apricot orchards,
00:36:03.09\00:36:04.43
and that's the main
backbone of the economy
00:36:04.46\00:36:07.80
in the Yakima Valley is
fruit, Washington apples.
00:36:07.83\00:36:10.97
Most loads come
from Yakima County.
00:36:11.00\00:36:14.34
And we see them
planting new orchards.
00:36:14.37\00:36:18.51
We see them weeding
them, and pruning them,
00:36:18.54\00:36:22.41
and nurturing them.
00:36:22.44\00:36:24.05
And then we see them
harvesting the fruit.
00:36:24.08\00:36:26.48
And that's what God wants us
00:36:26.51\00:36:28.02
to do in our outreach for Jesus.
00:36:28.05\00:36:30.29
That's right. And
that happens all year long.
00:36:30.32\00:36:32.59
All year long. That's right.
00:36:32.62\00:36:33.96
It's a round...
00:36:33.99\00:36:35.32
There's always something
going on in the orchards.
00:36:35.36\00:36:37.33
And sometimes, an
evangelist like Pastor Jason
00:36:37.36\00:36:40.80
will come to town
and somebody will say,
00:36:40.83\00:36:42.73
"We've been waiting
for 15 years for that guy
00:36:42.76\00:36:45.00
to join the church
and finally happened."
00:36:45.03\00:36:47.64
You know, what
kind of exciting stories
00:36:47.67\00:36:50.71
did you have out of the
series you did in Yakima?
00:36:50.74\00:36:53.27
We have several.
00:36:53.31\00:36:54.64
We had a family that was
coming out each night, Suzanne,
00:36:54.68\00:36:58.25
and she brought
her children with her.
00:36:58.28\00:37:00.35
She's married to a judge
in Yakima, the highest court,
00:37:00.42\00:37:04.75
District Court in
Yakima, coming each night.
00:37:04.79\00:37:08.82
She was having
some trials in her life.
00:37:08.86\00:37:11.29
And a handbill
came at the right time,
00:37:11.33\00:37:13.13
the invitation came,
and so to see her grow
00:37:13.16\00:37:16.13
each and every night,
00:37:16.16\00:37:17.50
just excited that
Jesus was coming soon,
00:37:17.57\00:37:19.63
how the prophecies are valid,
how she can trust the Bible.
00:37:19.67\00:37:22.77
And her son, her teenage son,
00:37:22.80\00:37:26.91
a very bright young man,
00:37:26.98\00:37:28.61
in high school,
he came every night
00:37:28.64\00:37:32.91
so fascinated by the fact
that history was verifying
00:37:32.95\00:37:37.39
what the Bible was predicting
and what the Bible had stated
00:37:37.42\00:37:41.29
about the lives of
those in the Bible.
00:37:41.32\00:37:43.73
To see someone that's
14 years old, he's 14,
00:37:43.76\00:37:46.39
have such an
interest in Bible prophecy
00:37:46.43\00:37:49.16
and testing
everything that's being said
00:37:49.20\00:37:53.10
from the Bible
was amazing, you know.
00:37:53.13\00:37:55.77
I like that because the
way you balance that together,
00:37:55.80\00:38:00.91
how does it...
00:38:00.98\00:38:02.31
History is prophecy revealed
00:38:02.34\00:38:06.28
and prophecy is
history concealed.
00:38:06.31\00:38:09.45
So prophecy conceals
and prognosticates history.
00:38:09.48\00:38:14.69
History affirms
and reveals prophecy.
00:38:14.72\00:38:18.33
So you have that
two working together
00:38:18.36\00:38:21.06
as we say about
the Old Testament,
00:38:21.10\00:38:22.56
you know, the whole
same, the Old Testament.
00:38:22.60\00:38:24.37
New Testament concealed...
00:38:24.40\00:38:25.80
New Testament is
Old Testament revealed.
00:38:25.83\00:38:27.64
So you have that
same cycle in evangelism.
00:38:27.67\00:38:29.80
Yeah.
00:38:29.84\00:38:31.24
And it's exciting
to see somebody...
00:38:31.27\00:38:33.21
I mean, you're young
man, don't disagree with me.
00:38:33.24\00:38:38.21
And God has always
keeping every generation,
00:38:38.25\00:38:41.15
evangelism has to
continue to go and grow.
00:38:41.18\00:38:43.39
That's right.
00:38:43.42\00:38:44.75
And your evangelism,
talking about Yakima,
00:38:44.79\00:38:47.66
do we have some
pictures that show
00:38:47.69\00:38:49.19
maybe some of the people
00:38:49.22\00:38:50.56
that attended your meeting there
00:38:50.63\00:38:51.96
and how things
turned out in Yakima?
00:38:51.99\00:38:54.00
There's a particular family
that you have a story about
00:38:54.03\00:38:56.40
and maybe as we
bring their picture up,
00:38:56.43\00:38:58.33
tell us about this family here?
00:38:58.37\00:39:00.94
Yeah, this is the family
00:39:00.97\00:39:02.30
that Pastor
Jason just mentioned.
00:39:02.34\00:39:04.37
And it was a beautiful thing
00:39:04.41\00:39:05.74
to see this
family baptized together,
00:39:05.77\00:39:09.14
and this is myself
and our associate pastor,
00:39:09.18\00:39:12.35
Pastor Austin.
00:39:12.38\00:39:13.72
Okay, Pastor
Austin, to my right there.
00:39:13.75\00:39:16.18
Okay.
00:39:16.22\00:39:17.62
What was unique
about this baptism,
00:39:17.65\00:39:20.96
them just making the
decision as a family together?
00:39:20.99\00:39:23.43
Well, and like
Pastor Jason said,
00:39:23.46\00:39:25.39
it was the right timing.
00:39:25.43\00:39:26.80
There are some challenges there,
00:39:26.83\00:39:28.83
and it was just at the
time when this family needed
00:39:28.86\00:39:33.20
what God was offering
as far as peace of mind.
00:39:33.23\00:39:39.01
And their children had
previously attended our school.
00:39:39.04\00:39:45.81
And someone had
invited them to these meetings.
00:39:45.85\00:39:50.89
But what really
caught her attention
00:39:50.92\00:39:53.99
was the color flyer invitation
that came in the mail.
00:39:54.06\00:39:58.16
And so God works all
these things together.
00:39:58.19\00:40:00.70
And they came. Wow.
00:40:00.73\00:40:03.77
A lot of times people
don't see the timing of a series
00:40:03.80\00:40:08.74
in terms of how people
respond to the invitation.
00:40:08.77\00:40:11.24
I mean, there's a lot of people
00:40:11.27\00:40:12.74
that are in the middle
of a crisis in their life.
00:40:12.77\00:40:15.08
And they've been praying
for God to liberate them,
00:40:15.11\00:40:17.65
to show them
the right way to go.
00:40:17.68\00:40:19.28
And they get the
invitation, and they come.
00:40:19.31\00:40:21.95
And just to see them
break down in tears that,
00:40:21.98\00:40:26.96
you know, looking for something
that will give them relief,
00:40:26.99\00:40:29.76
looking for something
00:40:29.79\00:40:31.13
that will be the
answer to that dilemma,
00:40:31.16\00:40:32.49
and they find it in a
three angels' message.
00:40:32.53\00:40:34.36
They find it in the
soon coming of Jesus Christ.
00:40:34.40\00:40:37.00
This is what people need to see.
00:40:37.07\00:40:38.40
They need to see how
the gospel impacts people,
00:40:38.43\00:40:41.17
you know, in their lives.
00:40:41.20\00:40:42.64
And meetings are like,
00:40:42.67\00:40:44.01
we call them like
the pressure cooker.
00:40:44.04\00:40:46.04
You know, it prepares
people, it ripens them,
00:40:46.07\00:40:48.18
you know, for the harvest.
00:40:48.21\00:40:50.15
And that's what's up.
00:40:50.18\00:40:51.55
So now when you
look at evangelism...
00:40:51.58\00:40:53.65
I think there's
also a baptismal group.
00:40:53.72\00:40:55.65
You had a wonderful
harvest there in Yakima.
00:40:55.68\00:40:57.09
We did.
00:40:57.12\00:40:58.45
We had 25 baptisms about month
00:40:58.49\00:41:00.46
after we started our meetings,
and people were so happy.
00:41:00.49\00:41:05.36
So there were so many smiles
00:41:05.39\00:41:07.50
and tears of joy
on that baptismal day.
00:41:07.53\00:41:11.77
You know, the word
baptism is an amazing word.
00:41:11.80\00:41:14.37
It's been used
century after century,
00:41:14.40\00:41:17.81
after century, after
century, after century.
00:41:17.84\00:41:19.71
But it is that public expression
00:41:19.74\00:41:22.11
of that private
inward commitment to Christ.
00:41:22.14\00:41:24.81
Yes.
00:41:24.85\00:41:26.18
And so when people say baptism,
00:41:26.21\00:41:28.35
how does that thrill your
soul when you see a person
00:41:28.38\00:41:31.15
going down in the watery grave?
00:41:31.19\00:41:32.59
We know the
Bible says Jesus saves,
00:41:32.62\00:41:34.29
but the Bible also says baptism
does save, 1 Peter Chapter 3.
00:41:34.32\00:41:38.83
It brings power, you know,
in Pentecost, Acts Chapter 2.
00:41:38.86\00:41:41.83
What do we do with
these things that we've heard?
00:41:41.86\00:41:44.50
Peter said,
"Repent and be baptized."
00:41:44.53\00:41:46.47
So when you take the initiative
and you do what God requires,
00:41:46.50\00:41:49.77
showing in a public way,
"I'm giving my life to Him."
00:41:49.80\00:41:52.94
He meets us where we are
but doesn't leave us there.
00:41:52.97\00:41:55.01
He's not just our Savior,
He's the Lord of our life.
00:41:55.04\00:41:57.15
And so we're following Him.
00:41:57.18\00:41:59.15
You go down to the water,
00:41:59.18\00:42:00.65
it does something in your heart.
00:42:00.72\00:42:02.82
It does. It changes.
00:42:02.85\00:42:04.79
It's the washing
away or burying the past
00:42:04.82\00:42:08.12
is the phrase we like to use.
00:42:08.16\00:42:10.13
But you mentioned something
about a cycle of evangelism,
00:42:10.16\00:42:13.26
and I think both of you alluded
to that a little bit at a time.
00:42:13.29\00:42:16.67
You mentioned
that about the apples,
00:42:16.70\00:42:18.30
the orchard that you
saw around your house.
00:42:18.33\00:42:19.93
It's amazing how God
gave you that daily example.
00:42:19.97\00:42:22.60
You can see all they planted,
all just leave it alone.
00:42:22.64\00:42:25.24
No.
00:42:25.27\00:42:26.61
You got to what...
00:42:26.68\00:42:28.01
What are some of the things
that prevents the harvest?
00:42:28.04\00:42:29.44
Let's talk about that.
00:42:29.48\00:42:30.85
You know, I've heard
people say, you know,
00:42:30.88\00:42:33.82
"Evangelism
doesn't work anymore."
00:42:33.85\00:42:35.85
Well, if a farmer didn't
do the work during the year,
00:42:35.88\00:42:41.79
there wouldn't
be a harvest either.
00:42:41.82\00:42:43.83
So God has a plan,
and it's like farming.
00:42:43.86\00:42:47.10
It's caring for,
caring for people, caring,
00:42:47.13\00:42:50.87
loving people,
meeting their needs.
00:42:50.90\00:42:53.54
And so we try to have a
very active cycle of outreach
00:42:53.57\00:42:57.74
through our congregation.
00:42:57.77\00:42:59.11
We have a
congregation with about
00:42:59.14\00:43:00.51
an average
attendance of about 200.
00:43:00.58\00:43:02.41
So it's not a huge congregation,
00:43:02.44\00:43:03.78
but it's a medium sized church
00:43:03.85\00:43:05.81
and very active core of
volunteers in that church.
00:43:05.85\00:43:11.25
And so we do three major
health and spirituality seminars
00:43:11.29\00:43:16.83
during the year, 27
Tuesday nights of the year.
00:43:16.86\00:43:23.13
Physicians and
other health professionals
00:43:23.16\00:43:25.60
donate their time to
speak along with the pastors,
00:43:25.63\00:43:30.11
and we get to know people.
00:43:30.14\00:43:31.74
We even deliver pears
00:43:31.77\00:43:35.08
from one of our
member's orchards
00:43:35.11\00:43:38.51
to those who have
graduated from our seminar
00:43:38.55\00:43:41.75
and get to meet
them in their home
00:43:41.78\00:43:43.42
and be on a
friendly basis with them.
00:43:43.49\00:43:45.69
Right.
00:43:45.72\00:43:47.06
And then we do other outreach.
00:43:47.09\00:43:49.32
We do children's outreach.
00:43:49.36\00:43:51.03
We have a monthly
children's church,
00:43:51.06\00:43:52.66
Vacation Bible
School on alternate years,
00:43:52.69\00:43:55.33
our church school.
00:43:55.36\00:43:57.37
And then we do
Easter time program
00:43:57.40\00:44:02.67
called Living Last Supper,
00:44:02.70\00:44:04.64
a drama that has
attracted a number of people
00:44:04.67\00:44:08.11
over the number of
years to our church.
00:44:08.14\00:44:11.95
At the end of each year
00:44:11.98\00:44:15.82
for the last 10 years,
00:44:15.85\00:44:18.99
we've done Journey to Bethlehem
which is a walking through,
00:44:19.02\00:44:23.22
an outdoor living
town of Bethlehem.
00:44:23.26\00:44:26.06
Last year, we had 5,000
people walk through our church
00:44:26.09\00:44:29.76
and through the
town of Bethlehem
00:44:29.80\00:44:32.07
and see 30 live animals,
00:44:32.10\00:44:34.87
150 costumed actors
and even a live camel.
00:44:34.90\00:44:37.84
His name is Izzy. Now
where does that come from?
00:44:37.87\00:44:40.38
Where's that whole walk
through Bethlehem come from?
00:44:40.41\00:44:42.81
Did they put that
up as a structure?
00:44:42.84\00:44:45.61
We build the town every year,
00:44:45.65\00:44:47.98
and then we store
it for the next year.
00:44:48.02\00:44:50.22
And then we build
it again the next year.
00:44:50.29\00:44:52.02
So it's your
church's project. It is.
00:44:52.05\00:44:53.79
Our local church's project.
00:44:53.86\00:44:55.59
We have almost all of our able
bodied members of our church
00:44:55.62\00:44:59.06
participating in some way.
00:44:59.09\00:45:00.80
And at the end of that
Journey through Bethlehem
00:45:00.83\00:45:04.83
takes about a 20 minute walk,
00:45:04.87\00:45:07.34
there they come to
the little ignored manger
00:45:07.37\00:45:12.57
and they see there in the quiet
00:45:12.61\00:45:15.68
where the Son of God came down
to this earth to be our Savior.
00:45:15.71\00:45:20.55
Wow, look at
that. Had you seen that?
00:45:20.62\00:45:23.15
I've never seen
it, never been through.
00:45:23.18\00:45:24.72
No, there's
something you missed in Yakima.
00:45:24.75\00:45:26.45
Well, I'm
looking forward to going.
00:45:26.49\00:45:27.82
Maybe incorporate
that in evangelism.
00:45:27.86\00:45:29.22
But evangelism in itself
is a challenge all the time,
00:45:29.26\00:45:32.39
because what happens is,
00:45:32.43\00:45:33.80
I know having been
involved in evangelism,
00:45:33.83\00:45:36.00
you know, Pastor Doug and I,
00:45:36.03\00:45:38.07
that's how my ministry began,
00:45:38.10\00:45:39.43
He and I in evangelism together.
00:45:39.47\00:45:41.40
So being out on the
road and being a family man,
00:45:41.44\00:45:44.84
it can be a challenge sometimes.
00:45:44.87\00:45:47.08
What are some of
the needs you have
00:45:47.11\00:45:49.14
that could even
lighten that challenge
00:45:49.18\00:45:51.55
to be a help to your ministry?
00:45:51.58\00:45:53.45
Well, we do a lot of traveling.
00:45:53.52\00:45:54.92
I do anywhere from five to seven
00:45:54.95\00:45:56.69
full evangelistic
meetings in a year.
00:45:56.72\00:46:01.59
And, you know,
looking to get a motorhome,
00:46:01.62\00:46:03.19
a motorhome would really
help get us place to place
00:46:03.22\00:46:06.63
and set up and utilize our
time better for these meetings.
00:46:06.70\00:46:10.87
And that will help you have all,
00:46:10.90\00:46:12.40
because to travel and to fly,
and I know as an evangelist,
00:46:12.43\00:46:15.77
you have certain...
00:46:15.80\00:46:17.14
It's tough.
00:46:17.21\00:46:18.54
Standard equipment you
have to carry with you,
00:46:18.57\00:46:19.91
your materials, all
that stuff that you carry.
00:46:19.94\00:46:21.28
We have to ship all that out,
00:46:21.31\00:46:22.64
and quite a few times in a year.
00:46:22.68\00:46:24.01
Yeah, if we had a motorhome,
00:46:24.05\00:46:25.38
that would really
lighten that burden.
00:46:25.41\00:46:26.92
And you know, we
wear the same suit
00:46:26.95\00:46:28.28
24 nights in a row.
00:46:28.32\00:46:29.65
That's right.
00:46:29.68\00:46:31.92
I'm being
realistic about evangelism
00:46:31.95\00:46:34.16
because it really is.
00:46:34.19\00:46:35.52
You don't know how much you need
00:46:35.56\00:46:36.93
until you're out
there on the road,
00:46:36.96\00:46:38.29
and you got there
by plane, you think,
00:46:38.33\00:46:39.66
"Okay, well, you know,
00:46:39.69\00:46:41.03
the suit needs
to be clean again."
00:46:41.06\00:46:42.60
And so you have in some
of those challenges now,
00:46:42.63\00:46:44.73
but it will also
lighten the burden for you
00:46:44.77\00:46:46.10
and your family.
00:46:46.13\00:46:47.47
That's right. Okay.
00:46:47.54\00:46:48.87
And so there may be
somebody watching this program
00:46:48.90\00:46:50.51
that might say,
"Hey, Prophetic Facts,
00:46:50.54\00:46:53.27
I would like to participate
in supporting Prophetic Facts."
00:46:53.31\00:46:56.54
And you may...
00:46:56.58\00:46:57.98
And we'll give you an address
at the end of this program,
00:46:58.01\00:47:00.75
where you can
find out more about
00:47:00.82\00:47:03.02
Pastor Jason Morgan's
ministry, Prophetic Facts,
00:47:03.05\00:47:06.22
which is a new
and growing ministry.
00:47:06.25\00:47:08.16
But every evangelist will do
00:47:08.19\00:47:12.33
what God has called him to do.
00:47:12.36\00:47:14.10
But the Bible says
that the man of God
00:47:14.13\00:47:16.20
may be thoroughly equipped.
00:47:16.23\00:47:18.03
And so we're talking about
ways that you can participate
00:47:18.07\00:47:20.57
in thoroughly equipping him
00:47:20.64\00:47:22.04
so that it could
be a lighter burden
00:47:22.07\00:47:23.41
on your family, your
wife, your two children.
00:47:23.44\00:47:26.17
When I first got
involved in evangelism,
00:47:26.21\00:47:28.08
just to show you how important
this is, Pastor Doug and I,
00:47:28.11\00:47:31.15
those were the days when
evangelism was six weeks.
00:47:31.18\00:47:33.92
My wife and I just returned home
00:47:33.95\00:47:36.58
from Heritage Singers.
00:47:36.62\00:47:38.12
We just, a year later,
00:47:38.15\00:47:39.75
came to Northern
California Conference,
00:47:39.79\00:47:41.36
got involved in evangelism.
00:47:41.39\00:47:44.16
And she's in
Vallejo, California.
00:47:44.23\00:47:47.20
And I'm somewhere way up north,
00:47:47.23\00:47:48.66
like in Redding, California
with six weeks evangelism.
00:47:48.70\00:47:55.14
And love is wonderful,
00:47:55.17\00:47:57.51
but six weeks without
your family is a long time.
00:47:57.54\00:48:00.61
But to have a motorhome
would make a difference.
00:48:00.68\00:48:02.94
And so motorhome
over a fifth wheel
00:48:02.98\00:48:06.72
or is it either or?
00:48:06.75\00:48:08.28
That could be either or. Yeah.
00:48:08.32\00:48:09.82
Usually the
motorhomes are larger.
00:48:09.85\00:48:11.45
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:11.49\00:48:12.82
But now they're
making the fifth wheels
00:48:12.85\00:48:14.19
where they're
accommodating for a family.
00:48:14.26\00:48:16.09
Yeah, so either way.
00:48:16.12\00:48:17.56
And so there
might be some people
00:48:17.63\00:48:19.33
'cause we have had people,
various intervals of time,
00:48:19.36\00:48:22.70
donate a motorhome to
the ministry here at 3ABN
00:48:22.73\00:48:25.37
and it makes it available
to somebody else in ministry.
00:48:25.40\00:48:28.37
And by the way,
00:48:28.40\00:48:29.90
if you've been a
part of the 3ABN family,
00:48:29.94\00:48:32.31
you know that
everything that happens here
00:48:32.34\00:48:33.98
at this ministry is
all about a miracle.
00:48:34.01\00:48:36.28
And God is in the miracle...
00:48:36.31\00:48:39.05
What we call a miracle
is what God does every day.
00:48:39.08\00:48:41.38
That's right. Amen.
00:48:41.42\00:48:42.98
Pastor Sharley,
00:48:43.02\00:48:45.19
before we
transition to our news break,
00:48:45.22\00:48:48.02
anything else you want to
share with us about your church
00:48:48.06\00:48:50.93
and about the
needs that you might have
00:48:50.96\00:48:52.69
in the future for evangelism?
00:48:52.73\00:48:54.63
You know, we have
a generous church,
00:48:54.66\00:48:57.67
and we have been blessed
00:48:57.70\00:49:00.44
by our local regional conference
00:49:00.47\00:49:03.14
that helps us fund evangelism.
00:49:03.17\00:49:06.54
And so we're thankful for that.
00:49:06.57\00:49:08.58
And we try to take
00:49:08.61\00:49:09.94
full advantage of
the resources available.
00:49:09.98\00:49:12.08
So we try to have a
public reaping effort,
00:49:12.11\00:49:16.15
a series of
teachings of the Bible
00:49:16.18\00:49:19.22
and prophecy every year.
00:49:19.25\00:49:21.69
And usually, it's
been every other year
00:49:21.72\00:49:24.06
that we have a
professional evangelist come in.
00:49:24.13\00:49:26.29
And then the alternate
years, the pastoral staff
00:49:26.33\00:49:30.87
and even lay
members do the speaking.
00:49:30.90\00:49:34.14
Okay, so you go through a cycle?
00:49:34.17\00:49:38.41
A cycle, that's good too.
00:49:38.44\00:49:40.28
And that's a blessing.
00:49:40.31\00:49:41.64
And the churches that we know of
00:49:41.68\00:49:43.58
and the churches that are
in not only our conference,
00:49:43.65\00:49:46.72
but around the world,
00:49:46.75\00:49:48.08
evangelism is the
lifeblood of the church
00:49:48.12\00:49:50.39
to keep the church breathing.
00:49:50.42\00:49:51.75
That's true.
00:49:51.79\00:49:53.12
Without evangelism,
the heart is slowing down.
00:49:53.15\00:49:55.06
Yeah. Now, you
mentioned motorhome.
00:49:55.09\00:49:56.83
But I know that
there are other needs
00:49:56.86\00:49:58.19
and we're not going to...
00:49:58.23\00:49:59.56
If there's something specific,
you can mention that now,
00:49:59.59\00:50:02.26
but if there's not, I
could just give the viewers
00:50:02.30\00:50:05.33
and listeners an
address where they can...
00:50:05.37\00:50:06.87
Well, what we're trying to
do is create training centers.
00:50:06.94\00:50:10.21
Okay.
00:50:10.24\00:50:11.57
We'll start here but
around the world as well.
00:50:11.61\00:50:13.17
Yes. We want to provide...
00:50:13.21\00:50:16.34
You know, they say
evangelism is a dying breed
00:50:16.38\00:50:18.25
where there's people are looking
00:50:18.28\00:50:19.61
for public evangelists to come
into a series in their church.
00:50:19.65\00:50:22.18
We'd like to create
a mentorship program
00:50:22.22\00:50:24.72
for local pastors
00:50:24.75\00:50:26.32
that are little intimidated
by doing their own meetings
00:50:26.35\00:50:29.12
or maybe don't have
the tools to get started
00:50:29.16\00:50:32.16
where we can train them
to do their own meetings
00:50:32.19\00:50:34.60
and be successful at it as well.
00:50:34.63\00:50:36.06
Okay. Yeah.
00:50:36.10\00:50:37.47
So training center?
Training centers, right.
00:50:37.50\00:50:38.93
Okay. Wonderful.
00:50:38.97\00:50:40.34
And with all that
space out there in Montana?
00:50:40.37\00:50:44.31
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:50:44.34\00:50:45.87
There will be enough space
to build the training center.
00:50:45.91\00:50:49.01
Well, we want to take it
also to different conferences.
00:50:49.04\00:50:51.01
I know, I'm being
lighthearted about that.
00:50:51.05\00:50:53.01
Of course, you could build
00:50:53.05\00:50:54.38
a 97, 000-square foot
building out in Montana.
00:50:54.42\00:50:56.69
It's just a dot.
But it's wonderful.
00:50:56.72\00:50:59.59
I had not been...
00:50:59.62\00:51:00.96
I'm very frank about it,
I've driven past Montana.
00:51:00.99\00:51:04.76
I haven't had any
reason to go out there.
00:51:04.79\00:51:06.46
Maybe I'll get a chance
to visit there in the summer.
00:51:06.49\00:51:09.00
Yeah, we'd love to have you.
00:51:09.03\00:51:10.50
Because I'm sure they
have their level of snow
00:51:10.57\00:51:12.30
during the winter time.
00:51:12.33\00:51:13.67
But thank you for,
you know, evangelism.
00:51:13.74\00:51:15.64
We're going to take a news break
00:51:15.67\00:51:17.01
in just a moment here.
00:51:17.04\00:51:18.37
But I want to recap.
00:51:18.41\00:51:19.74
Pastor Morgan, you
like to be called Jason,
00:51:19.77\00:51:22.14
and Pastor
Sharley from the Yakima
00:51:22.18\00:51:24.48
Central
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:51:24.51\00:51:25.95
the senior pastor has
been talking about evangelism.
00:51:25.98\00:51:29.25
As we take this news
break, we're going to,
00:51:29.28\00:51:31.02
first before we
go to the news break,
00:51:31.05\00:51:32.85
give you the address information
00:51:32.89\00:51:34.52
that you need to be
supportive of Prophetic Facts,
00:51:34.56\00:51:37.63
Speaker and Director,
00:51:37.66\00:51:38.99
a brand new
ministry with wonderful needs
00:51:39.03\00:51:41.06
and a vision for the future
00:51:41.10\00:51:43.06
and reaping
souls for the kingdom
00:51:43.10\00:51:45.30
that we believe is soon to come.
00:51:45.33\00:51:46.74
Here is the
address that you need.
00:51:46.77\00:51:49.64
If you would
like to find out more
00:51:49.67\00:51:51.27
about the
Prophetic Facts Ministry,
00:51:51.31\00:51:53.48
you may reach them
in a variety of ways.
00:51:53.51\00:51:56.38
Visit their
website propheticfacts.com.
00:51:56.41\00:51:59.75
To find their
prophecy seminar schedule,
00:51:59.78\00:52:02.48
contact information and more.
00:52:02.52\00:52:05.19
That's propheticfacts.com.
00:52:05.22\00:52:08.29
You may also call them at
00:52:08.32\00:52:10.03
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00:52:10.06\00:52:15.36
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00:52:15.40\00:52:17.07
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00:52:17.10\00:52:20.17
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00:52:20.24\00:52:24.11
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