I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, I'm Shelley
Quinn, and welcome once again
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to 3ABN Today
program! This is the Mending
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Broken People
Network. You make it possible.
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Thank you for your
love, your prayers, and
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your financial support.
We have an inspirational
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interview today to
share with you- actually,
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we'll be looking at
two different ministries:
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one is the Congo
Frontline Mission, and then the
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other is the
Desert Tree Ministry. It's
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interesting, because
there's a strong family
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connection between
these two. Let me just read
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this scripture-something
that is not anything
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new to you, but it
is very special in the
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relation to
today's program. It is the
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Great Commission! Not a
suggestion; it's actually
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a command. Jesus
said in Matthew 28:19-20,
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"Go therefore and
make disciples of all the
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nations." Not just
your next-door neighbor.
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"Baptizing them in the
name of the Father, Son,
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and the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to observe
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all things that I
have commanded you." Then
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He says, "Lo, I am
with you always, even to the
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ends of the earth."
We have wonderful guests
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with us today! Let me
introduce them. All of
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their last names
are Mosier, so we'll
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just start with
Keith. Keith, you are the
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president of Congo
Frontline Mission, right?
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- That's correct. -
And then you married the
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beautiful Tammy who
is a nurse. Tammy is with
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Congo Frontline Mission.
Then, Papa Mosier, Barry,
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you are the treasurer of
the Frontline Congo Mission.
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- Correct. - Let me
just get a little backstory.
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Tell us how you grew
up. I know your father was
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a missionary. How
did you get the call to
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mission work? - As
a teenager, moving to
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Tanzania with my
family, learning the language,
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starting to preach, I
felt very clearly within
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the first couple of
years that we were working
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there, that God was
calling me to be a full-time
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missionary. Because of
the interaction we had,
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leaders in the Congo,
church leaders, found out
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about what we were
doing, and they met us at a
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meeting there at the
division and said, "Why
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don't you come to
Congo?" I said, "Well, let me
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pray about that." I
went to college and realized
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that's where God
wanted me to go. So, after I
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got out of college
with my theology degree, I
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could've taken a
pastoral position in Central
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California with Pastor
Jerry Page, or I could've
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stayed, but I felt
that God was very clear with
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me. He wanted me to go
to Congo, so that's where
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I've been for over
10 years. - When did all
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the civil unrest begin
in Congo? - There's been
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civil unrest for
decades. When we got there,
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it was at the tail
end of a decade of war.
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That claimed the
lives of around 5 and a half
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million people. A lot
of people from bullets,
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then a lot of people
from diseases and starvation.
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Just the people in
Congo have gone through such
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terrible trauma,
and they really need the
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hope and the healing
that comes from the Word
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of God. - Amen. But
Tammy, you graduated as a
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nurse; you and your
sister graduated together.
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We'll meet her sister
in the second half of the
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program. You were
not married to Keith when
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you first went over,
were you? - No. I was 17 when
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I went to
Tanzania, not to Congo. But I
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loved missionary work
there. I helped Keith's
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mom deliver babies, I
did some bush clinics,
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and I really
enjoyed that, so I went back
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to the States and I got
my nursing. I was really
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praying about where
God would want me to go as
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as a missionary. I
read different books about
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different African
countries. I wanted to go to the
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worst country, because
I wanted to help people
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who were really
hurting; the place where nobody
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else wanted to go. I
really wanted to go there,
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and I saw that that
was Congo, so that's where
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I wanted to go. I
didn't know that Keith wanted
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to go there. I
thought I would end up going
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there by myself,
but then I found out he
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wanted to go there.
We both got married and
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went there together.
- So you married before
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you went? I remember
you were here on your
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honeymoon. - That's
correct. - You came to
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3ABN the first
time; just been married a
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couple of weeks.
Aren't you impressed when
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someone- well, you know,
when the Lord says, "Be of
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good courage," and He
calls you, you have to
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trust in God. I know
you've had some rough
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times; we'll be
talking about that. God has
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protected you. So, Barry,
you have been a missionary
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for how many years? -
Well, I was in Tanzania
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for 8 years as a volunteer
missionary. Originally,
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I was a CPA living
in America, but the Lord
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said, "I have some
other work for you to do."
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So, we moved to
Tanzania in 2000. Then it was
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after Keith finished
his college, he called us
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to come help him get
Congo Frontline Mission
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started. I'll tell
you. At first, we weren't
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very excited. That
country's got a poor reputation
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for all the trouble
it's had, but we thought
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about how much need
there was. So, Marybeth
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and I decided to
move there. We lived there
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for three years,
helping to get Congo Frontline
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Missions going. -
And it's been now, what?
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11 years? - Yes. - Okay.
Tell us a little bit about
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what you're doing in
the Congo. - Well, we have
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65 church planters
working in dark villages,
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opening churches. -
And explain what you mean
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by "dark villages." - I
consider a "dark village"
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a place where they
don't know the truths of the
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Word of God. - Where the
light of the Lord has yet
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to shine. - So, they
need to hear the beautiful
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promises that God has
given us. They need to
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hear the messages-the
three angels' messages.
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They need to hear
the beautiful promises of
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the Ten Commandments.
They need to hear these
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things that are going
to point them to Jesus
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and help them
understand He's coming soon. He
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wants to take us
home. I just cannot wait to
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be there with all
the people. I thank our
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viewers for the help
that they've given to us
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to spread the
message these last 11 years,
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now, in Congo. We're
excited! - Tell us a little
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bit about the people
and their beliefs. If
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they're living in a dark
village, are they animist?
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Are they... What is
their spiritual background?
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Are the people
friendly? I mean, they've been
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going through so much
war and strife. - They've
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gone through a lot
of challenges. It seems
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that as the years go
by, we realize that the
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smallest incident
can ignite quite a large
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disturbance or an
event. At the heart of things,
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people are people
around the world, and they all
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have the same needs.
They need Jesus, they
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need hope for the
future. We have a lot of variety
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of people who claim
Christianity. Oftentimes,
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yet, they don't know
what the Bible says. At the
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root of a lot of people's
culture is this animistic
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background and spirit
and demon worship that
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pervades their fears
and their lives in general.
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I think about the way
we've been able to start.
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We knew we were too
small of a team to really get
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very far by ourselves,
but we knew that if we
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train the local
church members and we train
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people to go out and
share, then we can get
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a small army
together. That's been what our
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experience has been
in the last 11 years. I
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remember we started
off with the first year
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doing our training and
sending people out into
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this harvest, and we had
a small number of baptisms
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comparatively. That year,
we had 270 people baptized
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the first year. -
That's wonderful. - And yet,
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that's amazing,
because every soul brings joy
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in heaven. There are
songs up there from that.
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A couple of years ago,
we baptized over 1,200.
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Last year, it was
over 1,300. This year, we
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project we'll
probably baptize close to 1,800
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people from the work
that's happening there.
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God has just been so
good to us. - Amen and amen!
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So, you're part of the
Outpost Centers International,
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which makes them a 501(c)(3)
ministry. It's the people
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who support you. The
Bible workers- are they paid
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a stipend? - Yeah.
We raise about $105 each
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month for all of the
people planting churches
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in dark areas. We've
had some exciting stories
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from those. I think
about my friend Ramazani Atindi
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when he first heard
about the message. It
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was through one of
our evangelists. Within a
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week, he said, "I
never heard the truths of the
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Bible before." He
was unhappy when we first
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came to his village,
but when he heard the
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truths of the Bible,
he wanted to be baptized
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together with his wife
and their children, then
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he came to our school
and has headed out as a
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church planter
himself and has had two very
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successful church
plants that he's organized and
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managed, so we're just
excited. As we look back
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at 11 years, we see
8,000 baptisms, we see
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the radio station
that we've partnered with-
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Adventist World
Radio, to start, which has a
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listener base at over
3 million. We look at the
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dental and medical
work that we've been able
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to do, the training; we
look at all the churches
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that we've built.
We've built over 80 churches,
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and a number of
those are one-day churches.
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We just have so many
positive things that we
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can look back and
praise God about, but probably
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what touches my heart
more than anything else
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is the training. We
hold the training each year
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on our campus. We also
go to more remote areas
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where people can't come
to us; we'll go to them.
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We've trained 1,100
people-a little bit more
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than that number-in the
last 11 years. It's these
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people that we can
go out and visit and see
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the work that they've done.
Like with Ramazani, I remember
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going there not too long
ago with my family, and we
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got to see him and
his family serving there.
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My dad was actually with
us at that time. - I think
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we got a picture of the
day I was there visiting
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you in Congo this last year-late
last year. I came, and we have
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our meetings to kind of
make plans for the future,
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and there they are!
I never miss the chance
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to show my grandkids. -
I know; they're beautiful!
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4 little blonde-headed
babies. - So we were
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making plans for the
upcoming year, and it
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was on the last day of
our meetings there that
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a tragedy happened
right on our campus. We were
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in our meeting. I
saw people running around
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outside, and I didn't
know what had happened.
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We have a flatbed
truck that does our road
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maintenance on our road
(we're out about 5 miles
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from the city of Kisangani
which is a million people).
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That truck was headed
out. It has some folding
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up sides on each side
of the bed of the truck.
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Although our workers
are all instructed, "Don't
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ever sit on the
sides," we had a new driver,
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a Congolese driver,
driving the truck out
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the driveway that day,
and one of the young men
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disobeyed the instructions,
sat on the edge of that,
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lost his balance,
fell over, and was killed
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instantly when he made
contact with the truck.
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We had a doctor on
campus. He raced out there and
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said, "There's
really nothing we can do for
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this young man. He's
gone." It was just so
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tragic, but the
local people came and said,
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"Please." The
people from his village are
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only a mile away, and
when they come, they're going
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to start- we don't
know what they'll do, but
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it could be a mob here.
"Get out of here as fast
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as you can; all you
white people. Please, leave.
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Go to the city immediately.
Leave this campus right
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now. Your lives
are in danger." So one
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vehicle left quite
quickly. I ran over to get Tammy
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and the children.
Well, Keith finished up a
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couple things,
locking up some things...
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- Well, when he came
to the house, he told me
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what happened and I
knew right away that our
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lives were in
danger. To get four children
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out the door is a
task, but one of my girls
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had just taken a
bath. She didn't have any
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clothes on. My
mom helped me get her
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dressed quickly,
I grabbed all of our
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passports, a change of
clothes for all the kids,
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and I was out the
door carrying the youngest
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and the others were
following me within 3
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minutes. We were running
to the car. We got in the
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car and we left. - I
remember coming up and
00:14:01.30\00:14:05.57
locking our house and
getting out of there as
00:14:05.61\00:14:07.54
quickly as we could,
throwing the things in
00:14:07.61\00:14:09.04
the back of our land
cruiser pickup. Pastor
00:14:09.14\00:14:11.81
Entenzi? said, "Just
leave as quickly as you
00:14:11.88\00:14:13.78
possibly can." So
driving out, we had to skirt
00:14:13.82\00:14:16.22
around the body of
the man who was laying
00:14:16.28\00:14:18.22
right there at the edge
of our property. I remember
00:14:18.29\00:14:20.09
covering my kids'
eyes so they wouldn't see
00:14:20.16\00:14:22.92
that, and already,
there were people pointing
00:14:22.99\00:14:25.06
their finger at me.
They were very angry. We
00:14:25.16\00:14:27.53
took off for town as
quickly as we could. I
00:14:27.60\00:14:31.67
got to a place where
the road was blocked with
00:14:31.73\00:14:33.77
somebody stuck in the
road. I had to put it down in
00:14:33.87\00:14:35.90
four-wheel drive
(low). We went around and went
00:14:35.97\00:14:38.24
through a big rut
that was draining the hole
00:14:38.31\00:14:40.84
from that road, then
we came up to another
00:14:40.91\00:14:43.51
spot where it was just a
total impasse: just a big
00:14:43.58\00:14:45.38
mud hole on one side,
and this man was pushing
00:14:45.45\00:14:47.75
his bicycle up the
hill with a large load of
00:14:47.82\00:14:49.75
charcoal. I remember
thinking, "How are we
00:14:49.82\00:14:52.75
going to get
through?" So I stopped, and my
00:14:52.85\00:14:54.42
dad jumped out to help
him. - I helped him push
00:14:54.52\00:14:57.39
his bicycle, Shelley,
to the side of the road,
00:14:57.46\00:15:00.96
and Keith drove by.
Just before I could run back
00:15:01.00\00:15:05.97
to the vehicle... You
have to understand. One
00:15:06.07\00:15:09.44
of the common taxi
of that whole area is a
00:15:09.50\00:15:12.64
motorcycle, so two of
the brothers of the man
00:15:12.71\00:15:16.34
who had died came on
these motorcycle taxis
00:15:16.41\00:15:21.95
and had caught up
to us by that time. So,
00:15:22.02\00:15:25.42
I jumped in the
vehicle; we continued on into
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the outskirts of the
city. The road is always filled
00:15:27.59\00:15:30.83
with people. Most
people are just walking, so
00:15:30.89\00:15:33.46
you couldn't go
super fast. Unfortunately,
00:15:33.53\00:15:37.63
these young taxi drivers,
not related to the young
00:15:37.70\00:15:43.81
man who died,
started yelling as they went,
00:15:43.94\00:15:47.38
"These people
killed somebody! Don't let
00:15:47.44\00:15:49.81
them get away!" - Oh,
my goodness. - Well, you
00:15:49.88\00:15:52.61
can imagine what that
did. It was like striking a
00:15:52.65\00:15:55.48
match to dynamite. As
we went, the mob just grew
00:15:55.58\00:15:59.39
behind us, chasing
us, and there was no
00:15:59.45\00:16:03.29
reasoning with anybody to
stop and explain anything.
00:16:03.39\00:16:06.36
As we started in toward
the city, the motorcycles
00:16:06.43\00:16:11.63
started to overtake
us and pass us. We came
00:16:11.70\00:16:17.31
to- of course, people
were even grabbing gasoline
00:16:17.37\00:16:20.68
so they could catch us
to burn us. It developed
00:16:20.84\00:16:25.55
into a horrible
situation right away. - The Lord
00:16:25.65\00:16:29.48
certainly put His hedge
of protection around you
00:16:29.55\00:16:32.95
to get you out of
there. That's a miracle! - We
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were just all praying.
My little girl in the back
00:16:35.32\00:16:37.83
was telling Grandma,
"I'm scared but I'm praying."
00:16:37.96\00:16:40.80
I've never been so
scared in my life! With my
00:16:40.90\00:16:43.87
mother-in-law, my
father, my wife and four kids
00:16:43.97\00:16:47.24
right there with me in the
car... As these motorcycles-
00:16:47.34\00:16:50.07
some of them got past
us. I couldn't drive very
00:16:50.14\00:16:53.68
fast, because there's
all sorts of people in the
00:16:53.74\00:16:55.44
road and I don't want to
bump into anybody, 'cause
00:16:55.54\00:16:58.91
that's the exact problem
that they're thinking of.
00:16:58.98\00:17:02.05
I didn't know what to
do. They got in front of us,
00:17:03.75\00:17:05.85
then there was another
road, so I took that other
00:17:07.16\00:17:08.52
road and we're going
to go into the main police
00:17:08.56\00:17:10.29
station. Pretty
soon, they're right behind
00:17:10.36\00:17:12.19
me again. I slow down as
there's a couple of police
00:17:12.29\00:17:14.86
officers on the side
of the road, but as I look
00:17:14.93\00:17:17.23
back, I see there's
just this huge mass-probably
00:17:17.30\00:17:19.60
100 motorcycles are
following us by this
00:17:19.63\00:17:21.50
time, and I don't
know what to do. I take off
00:17:21.60\00:17:25.74
to go to the main
station. Just down the road,
00:17:25.81\00:17:28.91
they totally blocked
off the road for road work,
00:17:28.98\00:17:32.71
so we are stuck. Literally,
within seconds, our car
00:17:32.81\00:17:36.32
is surrounded by all
these people just banging
00:17:36.38\00:17:39.02
on our windows and
trying to get into our
00:17:39.12\00:17:41.59
car, trying to
steal things and burn the
00:17:41.69\00:17:43.83
vehicle, and everything
else. - In that moment,
00:17:43.93\00:17:48.50
I knew that there was
absolutely no hope unless
00:17:48.63\00:17:51.87
God saved us, so I
just prayed, "Lord, we're
00:17:51.97\00:17:54.94
in Your hands." My
little girl in the back
00:17:55.00\00:17:57.74
seat told my mom who
was with us- she said
00:17:57.81\00:18:00.48
that she was
thinking about John Huss. The
00:18:00.58\00:18:03.28
kids just sat there
quietly. - Explain who
00:18:03.38\00:18:08.22
John Huss is the
martyr. Some people may not
00:18:08.28\00:18:12.22
know. - Back in the
Dark Ages, John Huss
00:18:12.35\00:18:14.26
was a martyr for
his faith. He burned at
00:18:14.32\00:18:16.36
the stake, and that
was a very special story
00:18:16.42\00:18:20.73
to my daughter. -
Yes. A special story to me,
00:18:20.80\00:18:25.77
too, because I always
remember, in the story,
00:18:25.83\00:18:28.57
I've read where the
night before he knew he
00:18:28.64\00:18:31.74
was to be burned that
he tried to put his hand
00:18:31.81\00:18:34.44
over a candle flame
and he couldn't- you know,
00:18:34.54\00:18:37.48
tried to see if he
could endure. He just
00:18:37.55\00:18:40.12
prayed and said,
"Lord, give me the strength."
00:18:40.22\00:18:42.72
He sang while he
was being burned at the
00:18:42.78\00:18:46.55
stake. That tells
me that God had to have
00:18:46.62\00:18:51.86
taken the pain from
him, because no one could
00:18:51.93\00:18:54.20
be burning alive
and sing. I mean, that's
00:18:54.30\00:18:57.90
impossible. So, what
happened? Here you are
00:18:57.97\00:19:00.20
surrounded, people
are banging on the...
00:19:00.27\00:19:02.47
What happened? -
Well, I praise the Lord for
00:19:02.57\00:19:04.94
my mother-in-law.
Even the stories that our
00:19:05.01\00:19:07.28
kids know is
because my mother-in-law
00:19:07.38\00:19:09.21
reads the Great Controversy
to them regularly, so
00:19:09.31\00:19:11.91
they've been reading
out of these stories. They
00:19:12.01\00:19:13.98
knew what happens and
they knew that we have
00:19:14.08\00:19:16.45
to put Jesus first
always. My mother-in-law was
00:19:16.48\00:19:20.76
right there in the
back seat. She's looking out
00:19:20.86\00:19:22.32
the windows-these
angry people that are banging
00:19:22.39\00:19:25.79
on the window-and
she just smiles at them.
00:19:25.89\00:19:28.70
As she smiles, the
person who is standing there
00:19:28.76\00:19:31.23
at the window, they
couldn't handle it, so
00:19:31.33\00:19:32.67
they turned away and
left. Then that happened
00:19:32.70\00:19:35.87
three times! - Then
the policeman came up to
00:19:35.97\00:19:41.08
our car and they
were trying to get in, so
00:19:41.18\00:19:43.88
we opened the door,
let him in, and they
00:19:44.01\00:19:47.28
grabbed Barry's
phone but they didn't take
00:19:47.35\00:19:49.52
any of us out. I
tried to help shut the door
00:19:49.62\00:19:53.36
with him, not that I
can do anything. There's
00:19:53.46\00:19:55.59
6 guys on the
outside pulling, but somehow,
00:19:55.66\00:19:58.46
the Lord helped us
to shut that door. The
00:19:58.56\00:20:01.16
policeman got in the
driver's seat and drove
00:20:01.23\00:20:04.27
us to the police station.
- That's amazing. So, it
00:20:04.33\00:20:07.84
is really a tinderbox
situation. All it takes
00:20:07.94\00:20:11.91
is an accusation, and
obviously, you had nothing
00:20:12.01\00:20:15.14
to do with the death
of that young man. It just
00:20:15.21\00:20:17.25
takes an accusation, and
your lives were in danger,
00:20:17.35\00:20:20.75
but God certainly,
CERTAINLY delivered you.
00:20:20.82\00:20:25.45
- He is faithful. -
Amen. - He has answered our
00:20:25.52\00:20:27.76
prayers so many
times. Just like it says in
00:20:27.82\00:20:30.03
Psalm 91, He tells of
His protection, and we
00:20:30.09\00:20:34.00
can trust that He
is there with us. When
00:20:34.06\00:20:36.46
that policeman got into
the driver's seat, I put
00:20:36.50\00:20:38.50
it in super low
because I was afraid he was
00:20:38.57\00:20:40.14
going to kill the
car. He just fearlessly
00:20:40.20\00:20:43.20
backed up into this
crowd, and people just
00:20:43.30\00:20:45.31
parted right in
front of him. They tried to
00:20:45.37\00:20:48.04
stop the vehicle, but
he just revved the engine
00:20:48.14\00:20:49.48
again and showed that
he was going to keep going,
00:20:49.54\00:20:51.11
so they got out of
the way and he drove us
00:20:51.21\00:20:52.55
to the police
station with all these guys
00:20:52.58\00:20:54.28
following us. When we
finally got there, they
00:20:54.35\00:20:57.19
took us in and there's
this big mob outside. They
00:20:57.25\00:20:59.79
finally let the
family members of the man who
00:20:59.89\00:21:02.69
died in there. When I
went out to meet them, I just
00:21:02.72\00:21:06.43
started crying
because I knew one of the men.
00:21:06.53\00:21:08.96
He was a friend of
mine from the village.
00:21:09.03\00:21:10.37
I just was so sad.
Actually, the family
00:21:10.40\00:21:12.93
members were quite
understanding of the
00:21:12.97\00:21:15.40
painful situation.
They came and said, "We're
00:21:15.47\00:21:17.91
so sorry that
people were angry with you
00:21:17.97\00:21:20.48
and broke into
your homes and created a
00:21:20.58\00:21:22.51
riot on campus. We're
so sorry about the way
00:21:22.58\00:21:24.38
this happened." And
we were really sorry for
00:21:24.45\00:21:26.55
them, too. We were
grieving together through
00:21:26.61\00:21:29.32
the pain. - Wow,
that's just amazing. - Yeah,
00:21:29.38\00:21:34.49
we actually built a
house for them. It's kind
00:21:34.52\00:21:36.19
of a little help for
their loss. It was just
00:21:36.26\00:21:41.56
heartbreaking. - Did
you return to the village
00:21:41.63\00:21:43.77
after this or did
you come on home? - From
00:21:43.87\00:21:46.74
the police station, we
ended up going to a hotel
00:21:46.80\00:21:48.47
where we waited for
a few days. Tammy and I
00:21:48.54\00:21:51.14
did go back to our property,
but the situation was very
00:21:51.21\00:21:54.24
tense for a little
while. Our family needed
00:21:54.31\00:21:57.48
a break, so we went to
get our things, then we
00:21:57.55\00:21:59.78
exited the country
after that. - That was very
00:21:59.81\00:22:03.65
wise. Tell us a
little bit about the current
00:22:03.72\00:22:06.49
status of the Republic
of the Congo. - When we were
00:22:06.52\00:22:10.59
planning to go back into
the country, the political
00:22:10.63\00:22:13.86
situation had gotten
more tense and worse.
00:22:13.93\00:22:16.43
There's been plans for
an election and how the
00:22:16.50\00:22:19.47
leadership change
will happen is very tense,
00:22:19.53\00:22:23.87
so we've realized
that we don't have an open
00:22:23.94\00:22:26.98
door to go back
into the country at this
00:22:27.04\00:22:28.91
time. We're staying
on the outside. Continue
00:22:28.98\00:22:30.98
to send the resources
into the Congo for Pastor
00:22:31.05\00:22:34.95
Entenzi? my chief assistant.
He's been my right-hand
00:22:35.02\00:22:37.65
man, really, since
the beginning. When we
00:22:37.72\00:22:39.12
started this project
back in 2008, he's helped me.
00:22:39.19\00:22:41.86
And now, he's able to-
- So the work continues.
00:22:41.92\00:22:43.63
- Be there and keep it
going. That's why they're
00:22:43.69\00:22:46.03
able to be
baptizing more this year than
00:22:46.09\00:22:48.13
we ever have-because
he and his evangelistic
00:22:48.20\00:22:50.13
team are focusing on
the task. When the going
00:22:50.20\00:22:53.77
gets tough in the country,
people also find that as
00:22:53.84\00:22:57.14
a call to look for Jesus.
- Amen. Amen. How beautiful
00:22:57.21\00:23:02.14
it is. Sometimes, I
think people forget. We
00:23:02.21\00:23:05.51
feel like it's up to
us if God makes a call.
00:23:05.58\00:23:07.85
Anytime that God puts
a call on your heart, He
00:23:07.95\00:23:12.12
wants you to share and
to train others. That's
00:23:12.15\00:23:14.46
why Jesus said, "Teaching
them to observe all things
00:23:14.49\00:23:18.16
that I've commanded,"
because if God needs to
00:23:18.19\00:23:21.26
move you out of the
situation, the work can
00:23:21.30\00:23:23.87
continue. That's
really exciting to think-that
00:23:23.90\00:23:27.90
the training you've
done with this gentleman
00:23:27.97\00:23:31.14
who served as your
chief assistant-that he is
00:23:31.21\00:23:34.51
able, after 11 years
of you mentoring him,
00:23:34.61\00:23:38.51
he's able to then
watch over the rest of these
00:23:38.58\00:23:41.75
Bible workers. You brought
some pictures, didn't you?
00:23:41.82\00:23:44.85
- Yeah. I'd like to
actually show one of
00:23:44.92\00:23:46.89
the things that
happened this year. You'll see
00:23:46.96\00:23:48.66
a training of some ladies.
We've done two evangelism
00:23:48.72\00:23:51.53
trainings this
year. Mama Mwangachuchu is
00:23:51.59\00:23:55.10
right in the center.
She's our union president there.
00:23:55.16\00:23:57.73
We also have a lot
of our ladies that are
00:23:57.83\00:24:01.30
helping their
husbands plant churches out in
00:24:01.37\00:24:03.47
these remote areas.
Tammy'll tell a little
00:24:03.54\00:24:05.84
bit more about that. -
I'm really excited that
00:24:05.91\00:24:08.44
they had training for
ladies, because Congo is
00:24:08.48\00:24:12.15
the worst place in
the worst to be a mother.
00:24:12.21\00:24:15.45
These ladies are
just hungry to be able to
00:24:16.32\00:24:20.22
learn and to have
hope. At this training, they
00:24:20.26\00:24:24.36
also gave the
materials for Sabbath schools.
00:24:24.43\00:24:28.06
- Are they schooled?
Excuse me, but what is
00:24:28.13\00:24:29.46
the literacy rate? -
Very low, especially with the
00:24:29.50\00:24:32.50
ladies. They read
one word at a time, very
00:24:32.60\00:24:35.07
slowly, but they still
want to learn. We created,
00:24:35.14\00:24:39.91
with the Lord's help,
a Sabbath school program,
00:24:40.01\00:24:42.98
too, that's simple in
their own language. We
00:24:43.04\00:24:48.52
gave that to them so
that they can go back and
00:24:48.58\00:24:50.35
help the churches have
children Sabbath schools.
00:24:51.52\00:24:55.16
- Glory to God. - I
just wanted to tell about the
00:24:55.22\00:24:57.53
youngest girl who
went through. When she was
00:24:57.59\00:25:01.00
12 years old, her
father was drinking with a
00:25:01.06\00:25:04.43
couple of his
buddies under a mango tree.
00:25:04.50\00:25:07.00
One of our
evangelists went to her village
00:25:07.07\00:25:10.81
Zabilama? and told
him that he had a message
00:25:10.91\00:25:15.44
from the King of Kings
for them for that village
00:25:15.51\00:25:18.95
and that he wanted to
talk to the chief about
00:25:19.05\00:25:21.88
this message. Her
father said, "Well, I am the
00:25:21.98\00:25:26.19
chief's son, so you
can tell me the message."
00:25:26.25\00:25:29.42
He opened his Bible
right then and started
00:25:29.52\00:25:32.23
sharing the gospel
message with them. He also asked
00:25:32.33\00:25:39.37
if he would be able
to share with the whole
00:25:39.47\00:25:41.50
village this message,
and he said that that was
00:25:41.60\00:25:44.44
okay. He came and
he stayed there for two
00:25:44.47\00:25:48.08
weeks, doing an evangelistic
series. Her father and his
00:25:48.14\00:25:52.41
two friends were
baptized, then they went to
00:25:52.51\00:25:55.98
our evangelism training
school and became evangelists
00:25:56.05\00:25:59.15
themselves. As he was
an evangelist, she would go
00:25:59.22\00:26:03.26
out-her father-she
would go with him and do
00:26:03.36\00:26:06.39
witnessing. When she
was 12 years old, her little
00:26:06.46\00:26:11.93
sister got bit by a
poisonous snake, so she
00:26:12.03\00:26:16.17
started crying and her
brother said, "Why don't
00:26:16.24\00:26:19.77
we pray instead of
cry?" So they prayed, and
00:26:19.87\00:26:24.25
miraculously, her
sister did not die! - Woo!
00:26:24.28\00:26:28.55
That's a miracle
story, isn't it? - Yeah! Now,
00:26:28.62\00:26:32.22
she's 16. She was this
young lady. She was able
00:26:32.29\00:26:36.73
to go to the school
herself. - How precious. - She's
00:26:36.83\00:26:40.26
excited about continuing
sharing her faith. - Now,
00:26:40.33\00:26:43.70
you said that the Congo
is the worst place in the
00:26:43.80\00:26:46.53
world to be a mother.
Why? - If you can imagine,
00:26:46.63\00:26:50.91
you want all your children
to be able to go to school.
00:26:50.97\00:26:53.51
The culture is to
have as many as you can.
00:26:54.88\00:26:57.78
Everybody has large,
large families. They're
00:26:57.88\00:27:00.48
poor; they can
hardly feed their kids. They
00:27:00.55\00:27:02.58
don't even have
enough money. They're all
00:27:02.68\00:27:04.82
malnourished. They
have different diseases like
00:27:04.89\00:27:08.76
dysentery, malaria...
- Can you imagine being
00:27:08.82\00:27:12.29
a mother and not being
able to take your child
00:27:12.39\00:27:14.16
to the doctor when
they get sick? - Often, your
00:27:14.26\00:27:16.30
husband is drinking;
not all the time. Sometimes,
00:27:16.36\00:27:19.00
he's a hard-working man;
but often, he's drinking,
00:27:19.03\00:27:22.90
and as a mother,
you're the one working in the
00:27:22.97\00:27:26.27
garden. You're the
one working all day long,
00:27:26.34\00:27:29.91
trying to have enough
money just to feed your
00:27:29.98\00:27:32.45
kids and enough money
for their school tuition.
00:27:32.51\00:27:35.25
The abuse against women
there is terrible, as well.
00:27:37.15\00:27:39.52
- That's so sad.
Tell us about the church
00:27:39.55\00:27:43.02
planters, 'cause
we're going to have to-
00:27:43.06\00:27:44.39
- There's a picture
of a boat that can be
00:27:46.16\00:27:47.96
shown on the screen.
Two of our church planters
00:27:48.03\00:27:51.03
were coming to our
quarterly meeting where
00:27:51.10\00:27:53.84
they tell stories,
give reports, and things.
00:27:53.90\00:27:55.87
This boat capsized
with them and 300-400 people
00:27:58.47\00:28:03.38
on that boat. 90% of
them drowned, but our two
00:28:03.45\00:28:07.75
church planters and
their wives and one baby all
00:28:07.85\00:28:10.72
survived that by God's
grace. The baby was thrown
00:28:10.82\00:28:15.29
into the river and
came up and surfaced right
00:28:15.39\00:28:17.89
in the arms of the
mother in the middle of
00:28:17.99\00:28:20.83
the night; couldn't
see. God takes care of our
00:28:20.93\00:28:24.83
church planters.
They're in remote areas under
00:28:24.93\00:28:27.64
the most difficult
circumstances, winning
00:28:27.74\00:28:31.37
souls for Christ. I
think that I had a friend who
00:28:31.47\00:28:34.94
said, "All I ever hear
is bad news when I hear
00:28:35.04\00:28:37.81
the news from Congo,"
and I'm sorry to say that
00:28:37.88\00:28:39.91
people are accustomed
to bad news. I think that's
00:28:39.98\00:28:42.38
why the message of
hope is so precious to them.
00:28:42.45\00:28:46.45
- Amen. Amen. I have
to just say one thing:
00:28:46.52\00:28:49.82
it is so amazing,
'cause we're hearing miracle
00:28:49.89\00:28:53.29
after miracle after miracle.
Some people in the States
00:28:53.36\00:28:56.56
say, "Well, where
are the miracles of God?
00:28:56.67\00:28:59.07
Does He still work
miracles?" Because these people
00:28:59.13\00:29:01.94
there are absolutely,
totally dependent upon
00:29:02.04\00:29:06.98
God and they trust in
Him, He performs miracles.
00:29:07.04\00:29:10.81
Here, we're busy
trying to work our own way
00:29:10.91\00:29:13.75
out. I know we've got
the others to bring on.
00:29:13.82\00:29:18.45
Keith, if you could,
just summarize for us
00:29:18.52\00:29:21.86
what you believe the
future is for the work
00:29:21.92\00:29:27.50
in the Congo. - I've
seen the Lord work miracles
00:29:27.60\00:29:30.90
in the past. The
biggest miracle is that He's
00:29:30.97\00:29:33.44
saving lives for the
kingdom, and we expect to see
00:29:33.54\00:29:36.30
that continue. He's
opened the doors for the work
00:29:36.40\00:29:39.77
to go forward even
in our absence. We've
00:29:39.84\00:29:42.34
chosen, as a family,
to continue supporting the
00:29:42.41\00:29:46.85
work in Congo with
our donations and sending
00:29:46.92\00:29:52.09
those donations
over even if we can't be
00:29:52.12\00:29:53.92
there. We can't sit
here in America forever. We
00:29:54.02\00:29:57.03
want to go back to
Africa as missionaries, so we're
00:29:57.06\00:29:58.59
going to be doing
some work in Chad (where my
00:29:58.66\00:30:02.63
wife's sister and
her husband are). - We
00:30:02.70\00:30:06.27
will meet in a
moment. - We're excited about
00:30:06.33\00:30:07.97
that. We want to
say thank you to all the
00:30:08.04\00:30:09.77
people who've been
helpful throughout these
00:30:09.84\00:30:12.04
amazing years. As
we thank them for their
00:30:12.14\00:30:15.51
prayers, I want to
close with a story about a
00:30:15.58\00:30:18.55
man named Amboyo. This
section-we'll close off
00:30:18.58\00:30:21.78
this part of the
thing. Amboyo was very angry
00:30:21.85\00:30:27.56
with God because of
things that had happened.
00:30:27.62\00:30:30.13
People in his church
said, "It's God's will
00:30:30.23\00:30:32.93
that all these
things are happening," even
00:30:32.99\00:30:34.80
very negative things,
sometimes like family,
00:30:34.86\00:30:38.20
where the parents
died and the children were
00:30:38.27\00:30:40.94
orphaned years ago at
a similar boat accident-
00:30:41.00\00:30:43.51
the one my dad
described. He was very negative
00:30:43.61\00:30:46.78
about God because of
these experiences, but when
00:30:46.88\00:30:49.28
our evangelistic team
came to the village, he
00:30:49.34\00:30:51.28
came just kind of to
heckle them and to give
00:30:51.35\00:30:53.85
them a hard time. But
after Amboyo heard the
00:30:53.92\00:30:56.69
message of the origin
of evil and realized the
00:30:56.75\00:30:59.22
devil is responsible
for all these evil things
00:30:59.29\00:31:02.62
in the world and he
realizes that God is
00:31:02.69\00:31:05.09
working to help us
make the right choices, to
00:31:05.16\00:31:07.60
help us have a
better life, and to save us
00:31:07.66\00:31:10.03
eternally, he found
joy. He said, "This makes
00:31:10.10\00:31:15.17
me excited." He
became a Christian right then
00:31:15.24\00:31:16.97
and there. - Praise the
Lord. - After he'd given
00:31:17.04\00:31:20.68
his life to Jesus
and shared that with his
00:31:20.71\00:31:22.61
family, he started
going to the villages around
00:31:22.64\00:31:24.88
him. He's started
two churches since that
00:31:24.98\00:31:26.95
time, and he hasn't
even come to our training
00:31:27.02\00:31:28.92
program yet! He
plans to come next year to
00:31:28.98\00:31:31.35
our training program.
When I see that happening,
00:31:31.42\00:31:35.32
I see the joy that
people have as they find
00:31:35.42\00:31:37.26
salvation, I just want
to say thank you to our
00:31:37.29\00:31:40.06
donors-to the
people who've been praying
00:31:40.13\00:31:42.26
for us and helped
us through the years to
00:31:42.33\00:31:44.03
take this message
to the jungle of Congo-
00:31:44.13\00:31:49.00
the Congo River Basin.
We continue to appreciate
00:31:49.04\00:31:52.21
the prayers and
support that is helping this
00:31:52.24\00:31:55.61
work go forward. - I
think that that's what
00:31:55.71\00:31:58.21
we'd like to do
right now, because I just
00:31:58.31\00:31:59.95
believe that as
you're hearing what the Lord
00:32:00.02\00:32:02.22
is doing through the
Congo Frontline Missions, which
00:32:02.28\00:32:05.72
is- this is a 501(c)(3)
organization, which means
00:32:05.75\00:32:10.89
it's a non-profit
organization. It's
00:32:10.93\00:32:13.09
under the
umbrella of Outpost Centers
00:32:13.16\00:32:15.53
International. I
just believe that God is
00:32:15.63\00:32:18.53
stirring hearts to help
support this mission. If
00:32:18.60\00:32:22.27
you would like to get
in touch with Mosier, so
00:32:22.34\00:32:25.14
if you'd like to
support this mission, here's
00:32:25.17\00:32:27.44
how you may do so.
00:32:27.54\00:32:28.98
- Congo Frontline Missions
00:32:30.61\00:32:32.35
is dedicated to
bringing a message of hope and
00:32:32.38\00:32:35.32
salvation to the worn,
torn, Democratic Republic
00:32:35.42\00:32:38.12
of Congo. If you
would like to support this
00:32:38.19\00:32:40.49
important work in
the heart of the African
00:32:40.56\00:32:42.56
continent, please
visit their website.
00:32:42.59\00:32:45.09
CongoFrontlineMissions.org.
00:32:45.19\00:32:50.93
You may call them at
area code (507) 884-7246.
00:32:51.03\00:32:57.37
That's (507)
884-7246. Or, write to Outpost
00:32:57.47\00:33:03.88
Centers International
Congo Frontline Missions
00:33:03.95\00:33:07.22
5132 Layton Lane in
Apison, Tennessee 37302.
00:33:07.28\00:33:14.82
Well, it is so exciting
to see what God is doing
00:33:16.12\00:33:18.83
in the Congo-but we're
not through yet, because
00:33:18.89\00:33:21.40
we're just going
to... We've actually swapped
00:33:21.46\00:33:23.83
out some family
members. Keith is still with us,
00:33:23.90\00:33:26.53
but let me introduce-
this is Tammy's sister,
00:33:26.60\00:33:30.71
Melody. You're also a
nurse, and your husband,
00:33:30.77\00:33:34.68
Jonathan. I started to
say John, but it's Jonathan
00:33:34.74\00:33:39.01
Dietrich. Before we
jump into the Desert Tree
00:33:39.05\00:33:44.39
Ministry, tell us...
Tammy, I know that you
00:33:44.45\00:33:48.62
went to nursing
school- excuse me. Melody, you
00:33:48.69\00:33:51.69
went to nursing
school with your sister Tammy
00:33:51.76\00:33:54.20
and you both
graduated. Who got the idea to
00:33:54.26\00:33:59.27
get into mission
work first? Her or you, or
00:33:59.30\00:34:01.57
was it simultaneous?
What happened? - Well, we
00:34:01.64\00:34:04.54
both grew up
listening to a lot of mission
00:34:04.61\00:34:07.31
stories, so at a
young age, I wanted to be a
00:34:07.38\00:34:11.18
missionary. I was
getting my nursing for
00:34:11.25\00:34:16.25
that purpose-to go over
to a third world country
00:34:16.32\00:34:19.09
to be a
missionary. - Praise God. Now,
00:34:19.15\00:34:21.09
Jonathan, what
about you? - I grew up in
00:34:21.12\00:34:24.23
a family... My dad was
a colporteur. That means
00:34:24.29\00:34:26.59
he went
door-to-door selling Bibles and
00:34:26.63\00:34:28.53
literature for 20
years. My grandfather also was
00:34:28.63\00:34:31.83
an administrator for
the church in Angola.
00:34:31.90\00:34:34.17
My dad grew up in
Angola, Africa, so I
00:34:34.20\00:34:37.17
grew up kind of in a
missions mindset. - Amen.
00:34:37.24\00:34:40.48
And you got the call...
Melody, were you married
00:34:41.48\00:34:46.25
to Jonathan before you
went to Chad, or...how did
00:34:47.42\00:34:51.55
this happen? - Well,
actually, I was planning
00:34:51.62\00:34:54.92
ongoing to Congo, but
then Keith told me, "You
00:34:54.99\00:34:57.39
should go to Chad
first for at least a month or
00:34:57.43\00:35:02.23
so to get some
experience, because there's an
00:35:02.30\00:35:04.67
Adventist hospital
there." So, I went there to get
00:35:04.73\00:35:08.17
some experience there.
- And...you met the love
00:35:08.27\00:35:11.74
of your life? - Yes, I
did. - I took credit for
00:35:11.77\00:35:15.18
that, because I told
her to go to Chad. She
00:35:15.28\00:35:18.31
and my wife Tammy both
wanted to come to Congo
00:35:18.38\00:35:21.78
to help us with our
medical work we were
00:35:21.88\00:35:23.72
getting started, but
it worked out. As soon
00:35:23.79\00:35:26.69
as Tammy and I
were going over after we
00:35:26.76\00:35:28.56
got married, she headed
to Chad then got married
00:35:28.69\00:35:31.59
the following week.
- Jonathan, please...
00:35:31.66\00:35:34.33
I just will confess my
ignorance. Tell me about
00:35:34.43\00:35:38.53
Chad, because I
don't know much about Chad.
00:35:38.63\00:35:40.87
- All right. Chad is
right in the middle of the
00:35:40.94\00:35:44.21
continent of Africa,
or right in the center
00:35:44.27\00:35:46.74
there. - North of
the Congo? - North of the
00:35:46.78\00:35:49.18
Congo. The upper part
of Chad is in the Sahara
00:35:49.24\00:35:51.88
Desert. The part where
we are is southern, and
00:35:51.95\00:35:56.28
it's called, "Sub-Saharan,"
so we get some rain.
00:35:56.38\00:35:58.95
For about 6 months
of the year, there's no
00:35:59.05\00:36:01.26
rain. - Wow. - It's
one of the least developed
00:36:01.32\00:36:04.16
countries in the world.
A lot of similarities with
00:36:04.23\00:36:06.03
the Congo. There's one
of the pictures I have.
00:36:06.09\00:36:10.00
It shows a house. It has a lot
of mud brick, thatched roof...
00:36:10.07\00:36:17.67
Very primitive. No
electricity, no running
00:36:17.77\00:36:20.28
water... People are
living much like they did a
00:36:20.38\00:36:22.94
thousand years ago.
They're still farming
00:36:23.04\00:36:26.48
with animals. It's
very primitive. It gets very
00:36:26.55\00:36:30.59
hot there, as well,
during the hot season. In the
00:36:30.69\00:36:33.89
house sometimes,
it's hot as 110 degrees in
00:36:33.96\00:36:36.02
the shade. The rest
of the year, it gets up
00:36:36.09\00:36:38.76
into the upper 90s a
lot. - Sign me up. No!
00:36:38.83\00:36:41.50
[laughter] Just
kidding. - There's a lot of
00:36:41.56\00:36:44.27
challenges to
living there. - What is the
00:36:44.30\00:36:47.77
work- what year did
you go over and start
00:36:47.84\00:36:50.87
the Desert Tree
Ministry? - I went over in 2009
00:36:50.97\00:36:55.74
and worked with another
organization for a while
00:36:55.81\00:36:58.81
as a pilot mechanic,
then we started Desert
00:36:58.88\00:37:01.82
Tree Ministry toward
the end of 2013. - Okay.
00:37:01.88\00:37:05.35
Tell us what you're
doing with Desert Tree
00:37:05.42\00:37:08.29
Ministry. - All
right. We have several areas
00:37:08.36\00:37:12.93
of focus. One is
similar to Congo; we're doing
00:37:13.03\00:37:17.83
layman training. Let
me explain to you a little
00:37:17.93\00:37:21.90
bit why we're doing
that (just in brief). The
00:37:21.97\00:37:25.21
population of Chad
is 13 million, and the
00:37:25.31\00:37:28.44
Adventist church
membership is about 3,000. For
00:37:28.51\00:37:35.98
that, there's about
12 pastors. 12 pastors is
00:37:36.02\00:37:40.42
simply not enough
to reach that number of
00:37:40.56\00:37:43.63
people, so we believe
that the layman training
00:37:43.73\00:37:46.49
is very important to
train the members how to
00:37:46.56\00:37:49.16
be active, to help-
- You're training them
00:37:49.20\00:37:51.57
how to share the
gospel, how to evangelize. - And
00:37:51.60\00:37:54.94
often, teaching
them how to even have
00:37:55.00\00:37:57.17
a personal relationship.
A lot of them, it may be
00:37:57.24\00:37:59.87
a member of the
church, but they don't know
00:37:59.94\00:38:01.28
what that means,
even. So that's one of our
00:38:01.31\00:38:04.68
areas of focus. - Absolutely.
Now, you're also doing
00:38:04.75\00:38:08.22
a publishing work
where you're publishing in
00:38:08.28\00:38:09.88
their own language. -
Yes. We have publishing
00:38:09.98\00:38:13.72
work. We're
publishing tracks and books, and
00:38:13.79\00:38:18.06
mostly in the
language of French. We're
00:38:18.19\00:38:21.00
operating out of a
20-foot container. We've
00:38:21.10\00:38:24.17
put mattresses in
there because of the heat; we
00:38:24.23\00:38:26.53
have to have some sort
of insulation. We installed
00:38:26.60\00:38:28.20
an air conditioner and
we have laser printers.
00:38:28.24\00:38:33.38
One of the biggest
print jobs that we do is
00:38:33.48\00:38:37.45
the Sabbath school
quarterlies for the
00:38:37.55\00:38:39.21
Union. The Union is
five countries kind of
00:38:39.31\00:38:42.42
grouped together for
organizational purposes
00:38:42.55\00:38:44.79
for the church. We're
publishing the Sabbath
00:38:44.85\00:38:48.62
school quarterlies
for the Union out of this
00:38:48.69\00:38:50.63
container. - Okay.
You said there was no
00:38:50.69\00:38:52.59
electricity, so this is
all run off a generator,
00:38:52.69\00:38:55.26
or...? - Generators.
We have a big one and
00:38:55.33\00:38:57.47
several small ones
that we work with. - Okay.
00:38:57.53\00:38:59.10
Then you've got
these boxed up and they're
00:38:59.20\00:39:03.37
shipping it out. Do
they take it out to village
00:39:03.44\00:39:06.11
to village? How do
you do this? - Well, the
00:39:06.17\00:39:09.08
Sabbath school
quarterlies are shipped with our
00:39:09.14\00:39:10.58
land cruiser. For the
other tracks and books
00:39:10.65\00:39:14.72
and smaller things,
we package those up into
00:39:14.82\00:39:16.65
boxes. When people come
to our trainings, we send
00:39:16.72\00:39:20.46
boxes and literature
out with them. - Wonderful.
00:39:20.49\00:39:23.32
Chad isn't... I
mean, I know it's poor,
00:39:23.43\00:39:28.66
underdeveloped...
But is it as dangerous as
00:39:28.76\00:39:34.47
the Congo? - Chad is
seen as a more politically
00:39:34.54\00:39:38.71
stable country in the
region. There are still
00:39:38.77\00:39:42.04
issues-especially in
the cities. I mean, any big
00:39:42.11\00:39:44.71
city in the world
has issues. We praise the
00:39:44.81\00:39:48.92
Lord for relative peace
right now in the country,
00:39:49.02\00:39:51.99
so we want to do as
much as we can while we can.
00:39:52.05\00:39:54.09
- Amen. So Melody,
you're involved with the medical
00:39:54.16\00:39:57.66
work there, or...? What
are you doing with Desert
00:39:57.79\00:40:01.86
Tree Ministries? -
Well, at first, when I came
00:40:01.96\00:40:05.40
over there, I worked at
the hospital and I really
00:40:05.47\00:40:08.34
enjoyed that. Then,
at the same time, I was
00:40:08.40\00:40:11.87
getting to know Jonathan.
The next year, in 2010,
00:40:11.97\00:40:16.75
we got married. After
that, I was home a lot,
00:40:16.85\00:40:21.55
trying to help with lots
of projects around there.
00:40:21.62\00:40:25.25
We were doing
construction and various
00:40:25.29\00:40:27.52
things. Now, we have
two children. We have
00:40:27.56\00:40:32.36
a 5-year-old, Gideon,
and a 3-year-old, Liliana.
00:40:32.43\00:40:35.83
- Do you live in a
home with no electricity?
00:40:35.93\00:40:38.33
- At first, we lived
in what we called a hut,
00:40:40.84\00:40:43.74
but it was pretty nice.
Now, we live in a bigger
00:40:43.84\00:40:48.78
house, and we have
solar panels, batteries,
00:40:48.84\00:40:51.08
a fridge, and
freezer, so we're very blessed.
00:40:51.15\00:40:55.22
- Amen. What is it
like for women in Chad?
00:40:55.28\00:40:59.52
- It's very
difficult there, too; not quite
00:40:59.59\00:41:04.03
as bad as Congo,
probably, but they're extremely
00:41:04.09\00:41:07.43
poor people. The
women are bought for... When
00:41:07.50\00:41:13.44
you want a wife, you
buy a wife. They're often
00:41:13.54\00:41:16.81
seen as a possession
to take care of the kids,
00:41:16.91\00:41:20.98
to cook... There's
isn't a good relationship
00:41:21.04\00:41:24.01
almost all the time
between the husband and wife.
00:41:24.05\00:41:27.32
It's more like a servant,
so I feel very sorry for
00:41:27.42\00:41:31.15
them. - Oh, amen.
Well, at least you can model
00:41:31.22\00:41:33.69
hopefully what God
intended marriage to be
00:41:33.76\00:41:37.89
like. - Oftentimes,
you'll actually see Congo
00:41:37.93\00:41:40.13
and Chad on the same
bottom 5 of the worst
00:41:40.20\00:41:43.77
places to be a mother
or the worst places for
00:41:43.83\00:41:46.90
a woman to live,
bottom 5 as far as poverty.
00:41:46.94\00:41:50.47
There's a lot of
times I'll see Chad in
00:41:50.54\00:41:53.71
the news when I'm
looking at Congo news
00:41:53.78\00:41:55.44
because we fit them
into the same category
00:41:55.51\00:41:56.98
with some of the
challenges. - So,
00:41:57.05\00:41:58.65
Jonathan, when you-
we showed a couple of
00:41:58.75\00:42:01.28
pictures of your
training and it was men. Are you
00:42:01.38\00:42:03.52
planning on training
the women as well, or
00:42:03.59\00:42:05.59
would that be
accepted in Chad? - Yes. We
00:42:05.65\00:42:09.62
would like to do
some of the training for
00:42:09.69\00:42:11.29
women. In fact, we've
had several women come
00:42:11.39\00:42:15.30
through various
trainings; but most of them are
00:42:15.36\00:42:18.17
men. There's a
practical reason for that. Women
00:42:18.23\00:42:21.47
are busy at home with
all the kids. They simply
00:42:21.54\00:42:24.14
can't leave home for
a month or two to come.
00:42:24.21\00:42:27.58
So if we did a women's
training, we would have
00:42:27.68\00:42:29.18
to do one shorter.
Another way that we
00:42:29.24\00:42:31.48
do include the women
is we actually travel out
00:42:31.58\00:42:33.92
to the villages and
do shorter trainings-
00:42:34.05\00:42:36.75
anywhere from two days
to two weeks. Then, the
00:42:36.82\00:42:39.89
men and women can
come, 'cause the women, they
00:42:39.92\00:42:41.72
just come for the
day, then they can go back
00:42:41.79\00:42:43.12
to their homes to cook
and wash laundry and all
00:42:43.16\00:42:44.93
that. - Give us a
little of the makeup of Chad.
00:42:45.03\00:42:49.33
I mean, are we
looking at- are they a nomadic
00:42:49.40\00:42:52.13
people? What do they do
for a living? And what is
00:42:52.23\00:42:56.24
their religious backgrounds?
- The main religion is
00:42:56.30\00:43:01.38
Muslim... Islam, and the
lower part is Christianity-
00:43:01.44\00:43:08.22
is what they claim.
- The southern part of
00:43:08.32\00:43:11.49
the country. - Yep.
Then, of course, it's not very
00:43:11.55\00:43:15.62
pure. There's a lot
of animist beliefs mixed
00:43:15.72\00:43:17.53
in all of that. - And
explain for our audience,
00:43:17.59\00:43:22.30
in case someone-we
mentioned this in the
00:43:22.36\00:43:24.47
first part-if they don't
understand what animistic
00:43:24.57\00:43:26.57
is. - Okay. Animistic...
Basically, you don't have
00:43:26.67\00:43:29.94
a view of God as the
Creator. It's spirits.
00:43:30.01\00:43:36.14
"I have to appease the
spirits." There's the rain
00:43:36.24\00:43:38.91
god, the fire god...
There's these different-
00:43:39.01\00:43:42.32
you have to make sacrifices
and you're always trying
00:43:42.42\00:43:44.99
to do something to
make them happy or to please
00:43:45.09\00:43:48.36
them, so it's kind
of a discouraging life-
00:43:48.42\00:43:51.09
discouraging way to
live life. - How do you
00:43:51.16\00:43:53.73
reach Muslims who- I
mean, reaching Christians
00:43:53.80\00:43:59.83
may be (or people who
are calling themselves
00:43:59.90\00:44:01.87
"Christians")
teaching them greater truths.
00:44:01.94\00:44:04.31
That seems a lot
easier. But how are you reaching
00:44:04.37\00:44:07.38
the Muslims? - We're
learning how to do that,
00:44:07.48\00:44:10.95
because in the past,
we've been working more
00:44:11.01\00:44:12.78
with the Christian
population. We've been
00:44:12.85\00:44:14.78
praying to the Lord,
and He sent us a man.
00:44:14.85\00:44:17.92
We'll share more of
his story really soon. His
00:44:17.99\00:44:19.65
name is JJ. He was
from a Muslim background,
00:44:19.75\00:44:25.36
and now he's working
with us. We'd like to
00:44:25.43\00:44:28.36
share some of his
story. - Go ahead! - All right.
00:44:28.43\00:44:31.43
Maybe Melody can
share. - Yeah. He grew up in
00:44:31.50\00:44:35.40
a nomadic Muslim
home. As a child, he knew
00:44:35.50\00:44:40.31
how to walk hundreds
and hundreds of miles,
00:44:40.41\00:44:42.84
following the cows,
searching for grass.
00:44:42.94\00:44:45.61
This was his life.
He didn't know anything
00:44:45.68\00:44:48.85
about Christianity until he
was- - We brought a picture.
00:44:48.92\00:44:52.65
Don't we have a
picture of him with the cows?
00:44:52.75\00:44:54.49
- Yes. There's a
picture of the cows. - This
00:44:54.56\00:45:00.93
was how they traveled.
They have lots of cattle;
00:45:01.00\00:45:05.07
that's what they do for
a living. When he became
00:45:05.13\00:45:08.90
a young adult, he
decided he wanted to
00:45:09.00\00:45:13.68
find out a little bit
about Christianity. So
00:45:13.74\00:45:16.54
he went to a church
and he listened from the
00:45:16.64\00:45:19.11
outside of the church
to the service. After a
00:45:19.21\00:45:22.32
few weeks, he
talked with the pastor. He
00:45:22.38\00:45:25.15
learned about how
Jesus had died for his sins.
00:45:25.25\00:45:27.86
He was just so touched,
and he decided he wanted
00:45:27.92\00:45:32.13
to be a follower
of Jesus. - Amen! - So
00:45:32.19\00:45:35.80
after this, he went
back to his home. He had a
00:45:35.86\00:45:38.57
wife and two kids.
His father-in-law was so
00:45:38.63\00:45:42.27
angry with him for
becoming a Christian
00:45:42.34\00:45:44.97
that he took his
wife away from him and
00:45:45.04\00:45:50.15
gave her to another
Muslim man and said,
00:45:50.21\00:45:53.48
"I will not let my
daughter be married
00:45:53.55\00:45:56.72
to a pagan!" That was
his view. He also tried
00:45:56.82\00:46:00.09
to kill JJ a number
of times. One time, he
00:46:00.16\00:46:04.23
had a wooden club
that he lifted above his
00:46:04.26\00:46:07.40
head, and he was
going to bring it right down
00:46:07.50\00:46:10.57
on JJ's head. It
just got stuck in the air.
00:46:10.67\00:46:14.57
He could not bring
it down. He tried and
00:46:14.64\00:46:18.44
tried with all
his might, and he just
00:46:18.54\00:46:21.34
started trembling.
JJ, he was fearless.
00:46:21.41\00:46:23.95
He just stood there
and he said, "You cannot
00:46:24.05\00:46:25.48
hurt me 'cause God
is protecting me." And
00:46:25.58\00:46:29.22
finally, the father-in-law
just had to give up.
00:46:29.28\00:46:31.55
On another
occasion, they were out in the
00:46:31.62\00:46:33.96
bush. Actually, JJ
was probably following the
00:46:34.06\00:46:37.06
cows, and all of a
sudden, his father-in-law shows
00:46:37.13\00:46:39.59
up with a bow and
arrow. He pulls it and he's
00:46:39.66\00:46:44.10
going to shoot JJ, but
he pulls it back and he
00:46:44.17\00:46:47.37
cannot let go. With
all his strength, he cannot
00:46:47.44\00:46:50.24
let go of that
arrow. Literally, for 30
00:46:50.31\00:46:53.21
minutes, he tried
and tried to shoot JJ. JJ
00:46:53.27\00:46:57.35
just stood there. He
said, "You cannot hurt
00:46:57.45\00:46:59.08
me 'cause God is
protecting me." Finally,
00:46:59.18\00:47:01.68
the father-in-law
fell to the ground in
00:47:01.75\00:47:03.42
exhaustion after
trembling. JJ just
00:47:03.49\00:47:07.06
kindly walked up
to him, picked him up,
00:47:07.12\00:47:09.59
and said, "God
forgive you." It was really
00:47:09.66\00:47:14.26
hard for him. Very
sadly, the father-in-law did
00:47:14.33\00:47:17.97
poison the 6-year-old
son of JJ and he died.
00:47:18.07\00:47:22.34
JJ was away on a
trip and he came back and
00:47:22.44\00:47:25.74
found out about this.
The father-in-law took
00:47:25.84\00:47:28.51
his baby and threw it
in the thorn bushes. JJ
00:47:28.58\00:47:32.81
rescued his baby and
he fled. He could not
00:47:32.88\00:47:35.72
stay there any
longer. He had stayed, trying
00:47:35.82\00:47:38.05
to get his wife, but he
realized he had to leave.
00:47:38.15\00:47:40.86
He walked for three
days, carrying his baby
00:47:40.92\00:47:43.86
that had no clothes
on, and finally, he found
00:47:43.99\00:47:47.93
a missionary
family in N'Djamena. This
00:47:48.03\00:47:50.67
family kindly
watched over his son while he
00:47:50.73\00:47:54.54
went to Nigeria and
became an evangelical
00:47:54.60\00:47:57.87
pastor. After that,
he came back and got
00:47:57.94\00:48:02.08
his baby again. -
Praise God. So, he is now a
00:48:02.14\00:48:06.45
pastor? Is it his
heart's mission to reach
00:48:06.51\00:48:14.42
the Muslims? - Mhm.
- Yeah. So now, years
00:48:14.52\00:48:18.36
later, he came to
our village (which was
00:48:18.46\00:48:20.30
where we came into
contact with him). He
00:48:20.40\00:48:22.06
went through our
training course, he
00:48:22.16\00:48:23.70
learned about all
the truths that he had
00:48:23.80\00:48:25.70
questions about but
nobody had been able
00:48:25.80\00:48:27.14
to explain to
him. Recently, he was
00:48:27.17\00:48:30.24
baptized with his
wife and his nephew and
00:48:30.34\00:48:33.81
his nephew's wife.
Their ministry now is reaching
00:48:33.88\00:48:36.81
out to their
people. He has a medical
00:48:36.88\00:48:39.31
mystery with the people
who come to the hospital.
00:48:39.41\00:48:41.95
He translates for
them and kind of helps them
00:48:42.08\00:48:44.79
out. He's also going
once or twice a month
00:48:44.89\00:48:46.86
on the motorbike,
over 200 kilometers, out-
00:48:46.92\00:48:50.19
they're nomadic
people, so he has to go out
00:48:50.29\00:48:52.56
and find where they
are. Beginning to work
00:48:52.63\00:48:55.20
with them. We have a
picture, also, of the
00:48:55.30\00:49:00.07
little church
that's been built. It's a
00:49:00.14\00:49:02.77
little grass
structure; nothing much yet, but
00:49:02.87\00:49:06.17
it's a start. The Adventists
work among this tribe.
00:49:06.24\00:49:09.44
It's very exciting
to us to see he has this
00:49:09.54\00:49:14.05
passion to reach his
people for... - And I
00:49:14.12\00:49:16.45
think- is he in this
picture? We'll put that
00:49:16.52\00:49:18.22
up now. - Yeah.
There's a picture of the huts
00:49:18.32\00:49:21.49
with a group of
people there. We can see our
00:49:21.59\00:49:24.93
family. - Is this
him? - Yes. That's JJ and
00:49:24.99\00:49:28.23
his wife and some
of their kids, then our
00:49:28.30\00:49:30.63
family, of course.
We were just there a few
00:49:30.70\00:49:32.20
months ago and got
to see this and actually
00:49:32.30\00:49:34.94
worship with them
together on Sabbath
00:49:35.00\00:49:36.50
morning. - Praise the
Lord. Okay. Well, we're
00:49:36.57\00:49:38.81
getting close to the
end of the program. We
00:49:38.84\00:49:40.41
want to put your
address up. Barry,
00:49:40.48\00:49:43.58
now, you and Tammy
are... - Oh... Keith. - I mean
00:49:43.65\00:49:46.95
Keith. Excuse me.
Barry's your daddy. I'll get
00:49:47.05\00:49:49.45
confused here.
Keith, you and Tammy will
00:49:49.52\00:49:52.19
be going to Chad to
join Melody and Jonathan
00:49:52.29\00:49:56.02
in a number of months
just because you can't
00:49:56.09\00:49:59.83
stand not to be
working and reaching the people
00:49:59.89\00:50:02.70
in Africa, right?
Well, we just want to thank
00:50:02.76\00:50:05.33
you so much for what
you're doing. But what
00:50:05.37\00:50:07.97
we'd like to do is, if
you would like to support
00:50:08.07\00:50:11.21
the work in Chad for
the Desert... What is it?
00:50:11.27\00:50:16.41
Desert...Tree! I keep
wanting to say "Desert
00:50:16.44\00:50:19.18
Rain." Desert Tree
Ministry, here's how
00:50:19.21\00:50:22.05
you may do so. -
If the Holy Spirit
00:50:22.08\00:50:26.02
impresses you to
help Desert Tree Ministry,
00:50:26.12\00:50:29.06
bring Jesus Christ to
the people of Chad, you
00:50:29.12\00:50:32.53
may wish to donate online
to help spread the gospel.
00:50:32.59\00:50:35.50
For more
information, please visit their
00:50:35.56\00:50:38.03
website, DesertTreeMinistry.org.
00:50:38.07\00:50:41.20
That's DesertTreeMinistry.org.
You may call them at
00:50:41.30\00:50:45.37
area code (507)
236-5600. Or, write to Outpost
00:50:45.44\00:50:52.65
Centers International
Desert Tree Ministry
00:50:52.75\00:50:55.58
5132 Layton Lane,
Apison Tennessee 37302.
00:50:55.68\00:51:03.73