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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today 01:11 program. Thank you for joining us as you do 01:13 each and every day. Thank you for your 01:15 love and your prayers and financial 01:17 support of 3ABN as we endeavor to take 01:20 this great gospel of the kingdom into all 01:23 the world. I have my co-host today, Ms. 01:25 Yvonne, my wife, and- listen. We have an 01:29 exciting program today. - We do! 01:31 - And I can't wait to introduce the guests 01:34 and to talk, and for our audience at home. 01:36 They'll want to be a part of this. 01:38 - Absolutely. - The one thing that 01:39 you learn after 34 years, you know what 01:42 3ABN viewers and what really reaches those. 01:46 Those are the people that have the vision 01:48 to take the three angels' messages to the 01:50 world. - Yes. It's amazing what God is 01:53 doing, isn't it? - Isn't it? - Yes. 01:55 - The timing, which is... - God's timing. 01:58 He's always on time. - That's right. - To 02:01 take the line from your sermon the 02:03 other day. He's always on time; never late. 02:06 - God is faithful that He's ALWAYS 02:11 on time, and he never fails. We serve a God 02:16 who never fails. Let's introduce our guests 02:20 today. Brother Dan Houghton. Dan, president 02:23 of Hart. We've known each 02:26 other; I was sitting right before since- 02:27 when? -1985. - 1985. So, how long've you 02:32 been with Hart Research? - We've been with Hart 02:34 Research since 1988, so it's been 30 02:36 years for us out in California with Hart 02:38 Research. God has been very good to us 02:41 and we're grateful, so we've enjoyed 02:43 our ministry, tracking along with 3ABN 02:46 ministry. We've always been very proud of 02:47 what's happening, and thank you for 02:49 having us on today. - Well, we're glad 02:51 that you're here. We actually met in 02:53 1985 in Big Sky, Montana. Any of you hearin' 02:57 some of the miracle stories of 3ABN, that's 03:00 where it started was back in- you and Karen 03:03 were there. - Yes, we were. - And you were, 03:05 I think, doing a recording of all the 03:08 programs and we were just there. Someone paid 03:10 our way and said, "You need to go out 03:11 to ASI. There's a lot of people; tell her 03:14 your story." We did, and the Lord blessed. 03:16 - I had the privilege of recording that first 03:19 story you told at Big Sky. - Yeah? 03:21 That's right! And I think, not too long 03:23 ago, I hadn't heard it in about 20 or 25 03:27 years (or longer), and Kay Kuzma sent 03:29 me- she had one of the cassettes. She 03:31 sent it to me, and when I listened to 03:33 myself, I said, "I wouldn't have given 03:35 to me." [laughter] Because when I 03:37 listened to this big story- the guy's going 03:38 to build a TV station to reach the world 03:40 and you have nothing; you don't have the 03:44 education, the money, or background, and 03:46 you're asking people to support you. 03:49 I said, "I don't think I would've 03:50 given to him at all." Anyway, we're glad 03:52 that you're here. Then we have brother 03:55 Larry Blackmer and from- he's vice president 03:58 of the North American Division. Brother Larry, 04:00 it's so good to have you here today. 04:02 Is this your first trip to 3ABN? - It is! 04:05 - Okay. It's not going to be your last, 04:07 I hope. - That's right. - So we want to get you 04:09 here. We so appreciate you coming. Today, 04:12 we've got an exciting topic, and it's on 04:16 the three angels' messages. But to be 04:18 able to work with Laymen and the church 04:21 together is great. We have another 04:23 Larry today-Larry Hiday. Larry, 04:26 tell us where you're from. - I teach sciences 04:29 at Columbia Adventist Academy in Battle 04:32 Ground, Washington to help those who are 04:35 geographically challenged, right across 04:38 the river from Portland, Oregon. - Okay; 04:41 that's a long way. We're glad that you're 04:43 here today. - It's good to be here. 04:45 - Brother Dan, we want to talk about- I want 04:47 you to take us back. Something has been 04:50 had- there's something in the air, and I got a 04:54 phone call a few weeks ago. I think 04:56 Garwin McNeilus first called me; had 04:58 talked to you, had talked to a number 05:00 of people. Mark Finley's involved... So many people, 05:04 and I love God's timing; don't you? 05:06 When God's in it, there's no denying 05:08 it. So, tell us what happened. 05:11 Take us back. I know you have a little 05:12 video and some pictures too, so whenever 05:14 you're comfortable, we want our folks 05:16 to get us excited as we are. - Thank 05:19 you, Danny. You know, it started back- I 05:21 got a phone call a little over a year 05:24 ago. A couple of my friends, including Rusty 05:27 McKee, were sitting down there 05:29 brainstorming, and they were concerned over 05:31 the fact that the three angels' 05:32 messages didn't seem to be very prominent 05:37 among college students (it was 05:41 specific college students). These 05:42 two guys said, "We were trying to 05:43 brainstorm how we could actually change that, 05:46 and we wanted to see if you'd get 05:47 involved with us." So they called me and 05:48 we spent about 30 minutes on the phone. 05:50 Initially, from that first phone call, 05:53 I started thinking, "Hey. We got to be 05:55 a little more sophisticated." 05:57 We actually created a script for one of these 06:00 whiteboard animations. It didn't work; 06:02 nothing was working it just seemed like. Then, 06:06 fast-forward to June 15th of 2018. I was 06:10 driving between Sacramento Airport 06:13 and Weimar, and I'm on the phone with 06:16 one of my friends. We're talking and 06:18 saying, "You know, this is not working. 06:20 Haven't got this right." Started 06:22 talking, and this- his name is Brad, and 06:25 he said, "Listen. I watched this 06:27 movie, Hacksaw Ridge, and I saw a young 06:30 Desmond Doss crawl up on the piano in 06:33 their home on the set there when that 06:35 movie was being made-" and this was a 06:37 real story that happened. This was a real 06:38 representation. He was looking at a 06:41 picture of the 10 Commandments, and on 06:44 that 10 Commandments, they were showing him 06:47 going down each one. One said, "Thou 06:48 shalt not kill." In the conversation I 06:52 was having with my friend, he said, "You 06:53 know, a piece of art on the wall- this can 06:55 happen. Look at the impact it had on 06:57 Desmond Doss!" So all of a sudden, things 06:59 started to click in my mind. Of course, 07:01 you know I work with Nathan Greene. We 07:02 do all of Nathan Greene's artwork, which you 07:04 have some of in your studios; and it's 07:07 all over the world, by the way. I go 07:08 everyplace the world and there's Nathan's 07:10 artwork (which is wonderful; we're 07:11 grateful for that). But all of a sudden, 07:13 the idea clicked. "Hey, we could do 07:15 these posters," and the idea was, how do 07:18 you put the message on a piece of art? 07:20 We got the idea, "Hey, let's ask our 07:22 friend Mark Finley. Let's say, I want 07:25 you to think about Mark just talking to 07:28 your 10-year-old granddaughter and 07:31 explaining in a few words what each one 07:33 these messages are about. It had 07:35 clicked in my head. I said, "Okay. We 07:36 can do this." Once we made that decision, 07:38 God opened every door FAST. Called my friend 07:42 Larry Blackmer at the North American Division 07:44 and said, "What do you think if we can 07:45 get these to every classroom?" He said, 07:47 "I'm in!" He wrote a cover letter so 07:50 it could go when we mailed it. We chose 07:52 not to go through a process of asking 07:54 the schools if they wanted it, 'cause 07:55 that was going to take months to get 07:56 that done. We just sent them. We were 07:59 trying to make sure we got them done 08:02 before the big teachers convention. Every 08:04 5 years, Larry, you have a teachers 08:05 convention for every teacher in North 08:07 America. We wanted to showcase it there 08:08 and we did. God worked that out. Then, I 08:11 get to ASI, Danny. We were not on the 08:15 program. You know how hard it is- 08:16 even some of us who have been in 08:18 leadership to get in the program. It's 08:19 not easy. But because somebody canceled, 08:23 Steve Dickman came and said, "Dan, somebody's 08:26 canceled. Would you come on and do an 08:27 interview with me Sabbath afternoon 08:29 about this project?" Again, God's working! 08:31 So we did that, and I think at that time, 08:36 I had Rusty McKee there, and he was 08:37 sharing the original concept. This might 08:41 be a really good time to roll the 08:42 tape. - Rusty McKee with McKee Foods. 08:45 A lot of people might know even better than 08:47 that, Little Debbie. - That's right. He's 08:49 Little Debbie's brother. - There 08:52 you go. - But I want us to roll and 08:54 see him describe at our ASI interview 08:57 how this really started. - Well, so, 09:01 on Sabbath afternoon, I love taking hikes 09:03 in the mountains right there in Collegedale, 09:06 right next to Southern Adventist University 09:08 on these beautiful trails. When I see 09:11 these young folks that look like college 09:12 kids, I'll ask them. "Hey, do you guys 09:15 go to that college over there?" And 09:17 they'll say, "Yes." Then I say, "Oh! 09:19 Are you Seventh-Day Adventists?" They say, 09:22 "Yes." And I go, "Oh, I got some 09:24 more questions!" I said, "Do you guys 09:26 believe that you're a Protestant?" There's 09:31 a pause. Most say yes. And then I say, 09:35 "Oh, fantastic! So what are you protesting 09:36 against?" What I'm hoping to hear, one 09:41 of these days, is, "We're protesting 09:43 anything that is not biblically true." 09:45 Haven't heard that yet. Well, then I say, 09:49 "I got more questions. Okay, so, Seventh-Day 09:51 Adventists-1 John 4:8-you believe 09:54 God is love, and everything in His 09:57 Word, what He's done in the past, 09:59 and today and forevermore! Is 10:01 that right?" "Yes." Solid answer, and 10:03 I always love hearing that. "Well, then here's 10:04 my final question. Now, don't Adventists 10:07 have this first, second, and third 10:09 angels' message? It's for the last days; 10:12 it's right before Christ comes. Could 10:14 you share that with me? More importantly, 10:16 share it in a way that I hear God's 10:18 love so it draws me to that message." 10:22 And there's a long pause. A dozen 10:24 years, many of us- and these students 10:27 have Seventh-day Adventist Christian 10:29 education. Why doesn't this flow just from our 10:32 heart? - Hm. - Wow. - So, Danny, that's 10:36 where it started- Rusty out talking in 10:39 the hills around Southern Adventist University, 10:41 realizing that there just was an unfamiliarity. 10:45 We heard the words. Even, they may have 10:47 watched 3ABN; they hear the words, but 10:49 what does it mean? Specifically, there's 10:52 one more piece of this that really 10:55 has come home to me, and that is, who is 10:58 the God that is sending these messages? 11:01 Who is this God, and why is He sending 11:05 them? So, before I jump to Larry and the 11:08 North American Division and how we got the 11:09 project going, I just want to make sure I 11:10 get this point in, Danny. That is that 11:15 this God of love is so anxious to not be 11:20 separated from His creation forever, 11:23 and He knows that corruption is destroying 11:27 the planet and Earth. The time is running 11:31 out, and if people don't make a decision 11:33 for Him, they're going to be separated 11:35 from Him forever. So sometimes, they 11:38 may come across a little stridency, a 11:40 little urgency, just like if your kid's 11:41 running across the street and a car's 11:42 coming and you don't say, "Johnny, please 11:45 come back!" You know? You give a good 11:47 signal, but the "love that is in these." 11:50 We decided we wanted to convey the love 11:53 and we wanted to reactivate an interest 11:55 in the kids and in their parents, and 11:59 anybody else. If we could accomplish through 12:02 this project a renaissance, in the 12:05 Seventh-Day Adventist church, of studying 12:07 and examining and making part of the 12:09 heart search and the heart cry the three 12:12 angels' messages that God has given to us, 12:13 we'll consider this to be a fantastic 12:15 success. - Amen. Praise the Lord. 12:18 - So, anyway, I call Larry and say, "Larry, 12:20 how can we get these into all the schools? 12:22 If I have the ability and we have funding 12:24 available to mail them and get them 12:27 there, what do you think?" - So, as we 12:29 talked, we knew the teachers convention 12:32 was coming, and I'd have 6,100 of my 12:35 closest friends joining me in Chicago. We 12:39 knew that this was an opportunity that 12:41 we had. So, we used that opportunity to 12:44 share the posters in the exhibit hall. 12:47 Dan was there and Karen was there. They 12:50 put them up, and teachers could come 12:52 through and see them, not knowing that when 12:55 they got back to their classroom, a set of 12:57 posters will be waiting for them. So 13:00 we mailed them in time, so when they 13:02 came back from teachers convention, in their 13:05 classroom would be a set of posters. 13:07 Teachers were excited. It's our opportunity 13:11 to meld this message back into our Bible 13:18 curriculum. We have a new Bible curriculum, 13:19 Encounter Bible, in which it's a strong 13:22 core message of the Adventist church 13:25 wrapped a relationship with Jesus. So this 13:30 is another opportunity we have to push this 13:34 message back into our Bible curriculum. 13:36 - Okay. So, all of a sudden, it's going 13:39 from just Rusty's conversations to you 13:43 and to Dr. Blackmer and North American 13:47 Division, and you're now getting it into 13:50 the schools, but then we have the teachers, 13:53 because the teachers have to be supportive. 13:55 - That's right. - So, Larry- we have two, 13:59 so we have Dr. Larry over here 14:01 and Larry. So, how are you involved? 14:05 How are the teachers- what do you see the 14:06 teachers' vision- how are they to help 14:09 support this program? - Well, I think you've 14:12 heard about the Bible aspect, but one of 14:15 the things I want my students as 14:18 biology, as chemistry, as anatomy and 14:21 physiology students to recognize is that 14:24 this is relevant to them, as well. I just 14:28 really see the relevance in that first angel's 14:31 message when it says, "Fear God and give 14:36 glory to Him." I asked my students, 14:38 "Why would we do that?" Then we go 14:40 down to that next part and it says, 14:43 "Because He's our Creator. He created 14:45 the heavens and the earth and the seas." 14:47 To just say, "This is the foundation of 14:51 everything that we're going to study this 14:53 year." I think a couple things that I 14:57 try to really make sure they understand is 15:00 that it says, "Fear God." Well, what does 15:03 that really mean? And when we think about 15:06 it as having awe, then that's what the 15:11 whole thing about learning about biology 15:13 is going to be about is there's this awe! 15:17 We've got all this stuff. I think until 15:20 you really understand that stuff, you can't 15:23 be excited about it. So, for them to take 15:27 that and say, "Okay, I'm starting to learn 15:30 about biology. I'm excited about it." 15:33 Now let's take that back. How can we 15:36 learn about our Creator through what 15:37 we're learning about in biology? - What's 15:40 been the students' reaction to what 15:43 you've been doing? - I think they're 15:45 always kind of a little, "Why are we 15:48 going to Revelation 14 to start biology 15:52 class this year?" But then I think 15:55 that they get it, and I hope that they 15:58 really see that it's relevant to their 16:01 life. - You'll know more at the end of 16:03 the year than you did at the beginning, but we 16:06 know that it's going to make a difference in 16:08 their lives because this is present truth 16:10 to give to the lost and dying world. But 16:13 what I'm excited about, Dan, is the way that 16:16 you've taken it and you're running with 16:17 it, and the church is joining together because 16:22 this message- I'm amazed. Places we go 16:26 and we travel, they'll say, "Oh, Three Angels 16:29 used to be-" my daughter and I, during the 16:32 early years of 3ABN, we'd be traveling 16:34 and they'd say, "Oh, Three Angels- well, 16:37 there's you and your daughter. Who's the 16:39 other angel?" [laughter] And they think we've 16:42 named after ourselves, you know? So we say, 16:44 they don't know anything. We're not 16:46 doing our job very well-but I have a 16:48 confession to make. I was 33 years old, 16:51 was raised in the Adventist church. 16:52 My mother was baptized the year I was born, 16:55 and she knew her Bible inside and out. But 16:58 in 1984, November, when I was impressed 17:01 to build a television station to reach the 17:03 world-one that would counteract the 17:06 counterfeit-giving the undiluted three 17:09 angels' messages, that's the thought that 17:12 came to me. Dr. Larry, I had to say to myself 17:15 as a Seventh-Day Adventist- now, I 17:17 could argue with you about the Sabbath 17:19 or the state of the dead, even the health 17:22 message- all of these things. But I said, 17:24 "I'm going to have to go study the three 17:27 angels' messages, because I've heard of 17:30 them, and I know," but I didn't really- 17:33 I'm 33 years old at the time, so since 17:36 that impression came to give the undiluted 17:38 three angels' messages, I'm guilty as being an 17:42 Adventist Christian for that many years 17:45 and not really knowing that this is the 17:49 heart of our message. We get sidetracked 17:52 on some of these other things, and we think 17:55 that our message- but our message is steeped 17:58 in the love of Jesus. As you said, the love 18:00 of God is greater, farther, than tongue 18:02 or pen can ever tell, right? - I love that 18:04 song. - Isn't that an incredible song? 18:06 So, what we're doing and what you're doing, 18:09 and you're allowing 3ABN to be a part 18:11 of this just by having you on here, and of 18:14 course, our name, Three Angels Broadcasting 18:16 Network... - How could it not work well? 18:19 - It's really a core of the church. Everywhere 18:22 you go, if you look at the General Conference 18:26 logo, there are 3 swirls. If you look 18:28 at the NAD logo for education, there are 18:32 3. If you look at wristband- it doesn't 18:34 matter what logo. We have built the three 18:37 angels' message into the core of who we 18:40 are as a church, but yet, our members don't 18:43 understand the value that that has for 18:46 their life. So, I think this project 18:48 and the emphasis that we want to place 18:54 back on the three angels' message, 18:56 it's the last message to a dying world. 18:58 It's the last opportunity that God has to speak 19:01 to His children and to say, "I love you; 19:05 I want you to be with me." I believe that 19:10 the theme of the Bible- I ask this 19:12 in sermons all the time. "What's the 19:13 theme of the Bible?" People say, "Well, 19:17 it's love, it's salvation-" all of 19:20 that's true, but I believe the theme 19:22 of the Bible is that Jesus wants to reunite 19:25 His family; He wants to be our Father. He 19:30 wants us to be His children, and this is 19:32 the last message that He's sharing with a 19:35 dying world to say, "Come home." I think 19:38 we have to find a way to make sure 19:40 that our children and our families reunite 19:43 with that message. - Revelation starts out- 19:48 the revelation of Jesus Christ-and yet, most 19:53 churches (and I can say this publicly on 19:58 the air)- Protestant churches, Catholic 20:01 Church- you name the churches. Christian 20:04 churches tell you, when in fact, people 20:10 that I know, they actually tell their 20:11 members, "Stay away from that," or, 20:13 "That's old stuff; that's past. You don't 20:15 need to study Daniel and Revelation." Now, 20:17 wouldn't that be a plan of the devil if there's 20:20 a revealing of Jesus Christ, that 20:22 he can talk you out of it and say, "Oh, 20:25 don't go to that. That's stuff and 20:27 that's wild stories of beast and images 20:29 and all of these things, and somebody 20:32 must have drank too much in John who wrote 20:34 this." I mean, that's the way people feel 20:37 about it, and yet, we as a church and as 20:40 a people from the foundation of our church 20:43 and the three angels' messages through 20:46 Ellen White, and literally, the people 20:48 that came together to study from different 20:52 denominations to say, "Wow, there's more 20:54 truths here." The three angels' messages. So, 20:58 we, for years, have said, the public 21:02 don't know and they don't understand; 21:04 it's our job to get it to them, but Dan, 21:05 you said something to me. Maybe it's even 21:07 before we came on set. You said-maybe 21:10 you could explain it- that it's not just 21:12 the public who's lost or doesn't 21:13 know the message that we have a couple 21:16 of generations that we've been kind of 21:19 losing it within (which would work great with 21:22 the devil's plan). - It is. And Danny, 21:24 one of the things that causes that is that 21:28 the prophecies, especially in the third 21:30 angel's message, there's some talking about the 21:34 mark of the beast, and the- there's some 21:36 heavy stuff in there. So, we've tended to 21:38 shy back from that a little bit; but even 21:40 in that, the love of God is there. So you 21:43 basically, just like you heard Dr. Blackmer 21:46 talk about here, we have a couple generations 21:49 of people that know about, which means 21:52 they know the name. They're familiar with 21:54 the terminology. But as far as knowing what's 21:56 embodied in it- especially that it's 21:58 based on love. It's not there. So we're 22:00 wanting to change that. Bottom line-we want 22:03 to change that. I'll come back a little later 22:06 in the program and talk about the rest 22:07 of how this came together, 'cause 22:09 it's very fascinating, but the idea of 22:10 wanting to change this is what's driven 22:12 us in what we're doing. I think the 22:14 Holy Spirit has been pushing us. I wouldn't 22:16 have dreamed that we were going to be 22:17 going down this road and having all these 22:19 pieces come together. But just as an 22:20 example to show how this has worked... 22:23 We're talking about kids, but, Larry, how 22:26 many of our kids in the Adventist world 22:29 are actually in Adventist schools? - About 22:31 30%. - Okay. So, 30% of the kids in the 22:34 Adventist church are in our Adventist 22:36 schools. What about the other 70%? There are 22:39 an estimated- what? How many thousands 22:42 of homeschoolers estimated? - Um, 22:44 somewhere around 100,000 homeschooled 22:46 homeschool kids out 22:49 there, and kids going to other schools- 22:51 public schools. Okay? How can those kids 22:55 also get a sense of what is the nitty 22:58 gritty of the three angels' messages? 22:59 Where is the love of God in all of that? 23:02 That's our objective. And here's how- to 23:05 show you how it has happened... Just 23:07 several weeks ago, we had someone call 23:10 and say, "Hey! Have you thought about 23:12 making this into a Pathfinder honor? 23:14 We got the big Pathfinder camporee 23:16 coming up in just a matter of less than 23:19 10 months." We said, "No! But that's a 23:20 fantastic idea." It turned out that the 23:23 board at the North American Division 23:24 Pathfinder group met three days later, and 23:28 we were able to put together a package 23:29 with even a little design for their 23:31 patch. - That is a coincidence, wasn't 23:32 it? [laughter] - It was no coincidence. 23:34 So, bottom line- - Divine providence. 23:36 - We were approved-the concept is approved- 23:39 and there will be a new Pathfinder honor 23:41 in this, as well. In addition to that, we're 23:44 putting together a curriculum that'll go 23:46 with Encounter and there will be a 23:49 10-day curriculum. So a teacher like Larry 23:52 Hiday here, and another teacher 23:53 we'll have on in a minute... They can 23:55 actually pull this down off of the 23:57 websites and have full- what would you 24:01 call it? It's a teacher's plan... 24:03 What do you call that, Larry? What's 24:05 the- - The curriculum? 24:06 - Well, it's the materials so that 24:08 they have the resources for everything that 24:10 needs to happen for them to teach in 24:12 the regular rhythm in how they're doing 24:14 that. So, they don't get this and say, 24:16 "Well, I got to write something." They've 24:17 got it all there for them. We're in process 24:19 on that. That part's taking a little longer 24:21 than what I thought it would. We're going 24:23 through refining. The first draft is done, 24:26 but the refining is not. We're trying 24:28 to get that reversed so that now, if you 24:32 have all these kids in school that don't 24:34 know, a year from now, how many will 24:38 know? That's where I get excited. How 24:41 many of their PARENTS will know? - That's 24:43 the point. - Okay. - You know, it's 24:46 interesting that we only have 30% in 24:48 Adventist education. Some people say that's 24:51 a terrible number. That's the highest 24:53 number of any denomination in North America. 24:57 So, we have more kids in our schools than 24:59 any other denomination that has an educational 25:02 system. But that's still an indictment 25:05 against who we are as Christian parents 25:09 and a church. We can share this with that 25:13 30%, and we capture those children, but we 25:18 also capture their parents and we 25:20 capture their grandparents. I have a real burden 25:25 that the other 70% of our children that 25:28 are not in Adventist education must have 25:30 a way to learn the distinctive messages 25:32 of the church, and we don't have a really 25:35 good way to do that. Our parents have lost 25:37 that. They don't understand the sanctuary 25:40 message. They don't understand the three 25:41 angels' message. They don't understand the 25:43 remnant church and Ellen White. How do 25:47 we help all of our children and all of 25:50 our families to capture the pertinent 25:55 points? We have the Sabbath, and as we do 25:57 research and look at how our families 26:00 are relating to the pillars of the church, 26:03 the Sabbath is holding pretty strong. But 26:05 those others, the remnant church, 26:07 the sanctuary, the three angels' message, 26:09 the state of the dead, Ellen White... 26:11 They are declining all the time. We have 26:14 to find a way to help our families, 26:17 to help our churches... What's the last time 26:20 you've heard, other than an evangelistic 26:22 series, the pastor talk about the relevance 26:26 of the sanctuary to the Adventist church. 26:29 It's not being taught in Sabbath school, 26:32 it's not being taught on the pulpit, it's 26:35 not being taught in the home; how are we 26:37 going to re-engage our families and 26:40 our young people into the distinctive 26:42 messages of the Adventist church? 26:44 If we lose those distinctives, then 26:47 we will become just another denomination 26:49 that loves Jesus. It's important to love 26:52 Jesus, but we also have a very distinct 26:55 message: that Christ expects us to share 26:58 with the whole world. - Daniel and Revelation, 27:01 actually, is a staple. It's the stabilizer 27:04 for me, because what I found out years 27:07 ago-and what I always tell people, and you've 27:09 heard me say it many times-when you 27:12 understand prophecy, most churches say, "Oh, 27:17 that's-" When you understand it, I always say, 27:19 "We've read the back of the book, and it 27:21 says we win." So, we should never get 27:24 discouraged. John and Mary go to the- 27:26 You go to the bookstore and somebody buys a 27:29 novel. It says- you read the back of it. 27:33 It says, "John and Mary rode off into 27:34 the sunset happily ever after." So, you 27:36 take the book home and it's 200 pages. 27:38 Halfway through, John and Mary fall 27:42 off of the cliff and they're hanging on 27:44 a limb that's a 2,000 feet drop. You don't 27:47 get discouraged, 'cause you've read the back 27:49 of the book. So you say, "Wow! How's the 27:51 author going to get them out of this jam?" 27:53 Spiritually, I'm traveling along in 27:56 my life, and I'm in this terrible jam. 27:58 All of a sudden, I say, "Wow, God, how 28:02 are you going to get me out of this one?" 28:03 You don't get discouraged, so that is the 28:06 stabilizer. That's why the devil hates 28:09 the three angels' messages. He hates 28:12 the books of Daniel and Revelation because 28:15 he loses. So now, with what you're 28:19 doing, and the emphasis to get this to our 28:22 own members and generations that's 28:24 lost, to see this will bring a tremendous- 28:27 Dan, as you know-a revival to this church. 28:30 When the people are revived, guess what's 28:33 going to happen? The dead bones come to 28:36 life. It's going to affect our neighbors 28:38 and our friends, and the whole world, 28:40 in fact. So, that's why this is so timely. 28:43 - You keep saying things that remind me 28:44 of songs, Danny. Ezekiel, the valley 28:47 of the dry bones. We want to see those 28:49 bones come back together. I know that 28:50 in addition to what we're doing-and this 28:52 is how I'm so fascinated that 28:53 different people are doing different things. 28:55 Three Angels Broadcasting Network 28:57 has been working on a project, as well, 28:59 in this. I love the music DVD, I love the 29:03 series of sermons that you put together 29:05 with your camp meeting, talking about this, 29:07 and we didn't know you were doing that. 29:08 - Right. - You didn't know we were doing 29:10 this. But God was saying, "Okay, we're 29:12 bringing things together," and I 29:13 wonder what will be next, because we're 29:15 still very much a work-in-process. 29:18 Who knows what will happen? But I love 29:20 the fact that you can put music together 29:22 with these concepts. - To give the three 29:25 angels' messages. In just a moment, we're 29:27 going to switch guests. I don't know- brother 29:29 Larry, before you leave, do you have 29:32 something else you want to share with 29:33 us? - I'm just excited to be part of this 29:35 whole thing, to share with my kids, 29:38 and start that regeneration of 29:40 sharing the message. - Amen. Praise the 29:45 Lord. What we're going to do is, 29:46 part of this project that Dan was talking 29:48 to you called, "Give Him Glory," which, of 29:50 course, is first angel's messages, today we're 29:54 going to be- it's a song written by 29:55 Lanny Wolfe and Yvonne Lewis-Shelton, and it's 29:59 called, "Glorious Church." This song 30:01 is deep, but what an incredible message 30:04 and music. 37:21 Amen. Praise the Lord. It's amazing how 37:26 many ways you can get the three angels' 37:28 messages to the world. I just have never 37:30 really thought about music delivering it 37:33 in such a way. Thank you, Wintley Phipps, 37:35 for being able to deliver it. Well, 37:37 we switched seats over here. Why don't 37:40 you introduce us? - We have Kim 37:42 Shumaker. We want to welcome you. Kim is 37:44 a teacher at Takoma Adventist Academy. 37:47 - Greenville Adventist Academy. 37:49 - Greenville. - We have Takoma Hospital near 37:52 us. So, there have been a lot of 37:53 merging-together of the two over the years, 37:56 so the name gets easily confused 37:58 sometimes. - It's in Tennessee. We were 38:01 just there yesterday. - See, we're thinking 38:02 of Takoma and Takoma Park, but this is 38:04 Tennessee. Great! Well, welcome! 38:07 - Thank you so much for having me. 38:09 - You've heard- I'm sure you were sitting 38:11 back and you've heard of what we were 38:13 talking about with Larry. We want to 38:15 hear a little bit from your perspective 38:17 about this project. - Well, I'm very 38:20 excited about it, because we have the 38:23 new Encounter Bible curriculum this year. 38:25 This, I think, plays into that so well. 38:28 We started my year- I teach 7th and 38:31 8th grade, primarily, and we started our 38:34 year talking about the war in heaven 38:36 and about why all this deception and everything 38:38 is going to happen, because of how Satan 38:42 fell. Now, we're into Creation and the fall 38:46 of man. So now, we're able to look at these 38:50 messages and say this is why, this is the 38:55 how, this is what is going to be, and you 38:59 have the opportunity to be a part of it 39:01 and to benefit so greatly from it. So, 39:04 we're excited about this. It's fitting well in 39:08 with what some of our other teachers are 39:11 doing. One of the units in 5th grade is 39:15 talking about Elijah and about God's call. 39:17 This is our call. This is our call as a 39:19 church. Teaching the students with these 39:23 posters- it's a great visual reminder 39:26 to be there that they can see in the hall 39:29 and see in the classroom. - So they still 39:30 work. The pictures, the posters- you know, 39:32 we're so used to everything on our 39:34 phones and all of this- yeah. iPads, everything 39:38 digital. So, pictures still work? 39:40 - Absolutely. I would hate to go in a 39:41 classroom that had nothing on its walls. 39:43 You still do the bulletin boards, 39:46 you do whatever, because you want to 39:48 engage by any means necessary, and this is 39:51 another great tool of engagement. - Now, 39:54 that's great. - Kim- oh, I'm sorry; go ahead. 39:56 - It's difficult to find distinctly 39:58 Adventist posters to put up on the walls. 40:01 So, we've done a number of posters 40:04 of pioneer posters, but this is distinctly 40:08 Adventist. Teachers want that distinctly 40:11 Adventist poster on the wall. So, 40:14 we're so thankful that they're available. 40:16 - Kim, I know that we have a picture. 40:19 We have a picture of the posters up in 40:20 her school. You were telling me the story 40:23 about a teacher that brought the students 40:25 out to look at the posters, where they 40:27 were, because it illustrated a point. 40:29 Tell us about that. - Yes. She had just 40:31 started her new unit on Elijah and had 40:34 kind of- the catch, the hook, at the 40:39 beginning of the unit is to talk about 40:42 calling. What is a calling? And so 40:46 she said, "What's our calling? What's 40:48 our calling as a church?" And the kids brought 40:50 up, "Well, we're telling people about 40:52 the Sabbath. We're doing this," and the 40:54 three angels' message- it didn't come up. 40:56 With a little prodding, eventually, one student 40:59 spit it out. So she said, "Okay. Let's 41:01 take a walk down the hall." We had the 41:04 posters mounted up in our hall, so then 41:07 she's able to use those as a tool to 41:10 enforce the calling, so it's great. - Okay. 41:16 Wonderful. Great. - Yeah, we're thrilled. 41:18 Those are the kind- you look at the 41:20 picture of all those kids. Those are the 41:21 7th and 8th grade class from Greenville, 41:23 and they're being exposed, and all of 41:26 a sudden, it's cool again. That's a lot 41:29 of times in culture. You want to make sure 41:32 that something is being talked about. 41:34 All of a sudden, people become aware 41:35 of it, they start thinking about it... 41:37 To me, this is simply a way to define how 41:42 I look at my ministry- probably how you look 41:44 at your ministry... Our job, Danny, is 41:48 simply to create a moment for the Holy 41:50 Spirit to work. That's our job. Any of us 41:53 as human beings, we create a moment. Right 41:55 now, we're creating a moment in this 41:57 production- this television broadcast. 41:59 These posters are creating a moment. 42:02 The curriculum materials are creating a moment. 42:04 The Pathfinder thing- the GLOW Tract 42:06 that's in process. The GLOW Tract is putting 42:08 this together in a package. That is all 42:11 designed to create a moment. I gotta tell 42:13 you one more exciting thing that's happening. 42:15 In addition to getting these posters up in 42:19 every classroom, Danny, we have had 42:22 donations made available to us to 42:25 be able to offer each classroom teacher 42:28 that applies for it, Larry- they gotta 42:30 apply for this. $100 for their classroom 42:33 to buy materials to share this, because 42:36 it's one thing to know about it, but 42:39 it's a whole other thing to get the kids 42:41 to buy- maybe the teacher will buy Steps 42:43 to Christ. Maybe they'll buy GLOW Tracts. 42:44 Maybe they'll hand out some 5x7 postcards. 42:47 What can we do- Great Controversies! 42:50 We're going to be able- for a teacher 42:52 that applies and says, "We're going to spend 42:54 the money this way. There's 2,850 classrooms 42:57 that if all of them do that, that's a 42:59 significant chunk of change, but we have 43:01 a donation available. So, every classroom 43:04 teacher- I want to remind you- it was in 43:05 the letter when you got it. But I want 43:07 to remind you to watch our website, 43:09 IntoAllTheWorld.com for the details on that, 43:11 that you will be able to apply to get $100 43:14 to buy materials that your kids can 43:16 go out and share this once they've got it 43:18 in their hearts. - That's great. Let's 43:21 talk a little bit about the pictures themselves. 43:24 - All right. Whenever an idea comes... 43:28 Obviously because I work with Nathan Greene, 43:31 a lot of times I get in on this 43:33 action. But it just so happened that 43:35 we were already involved in it, THEN 43:36 I said, "Well, hey, what do we have 43:38 available?" Nathan Greene is booked 43:39 out. Right now, he's booked to 2024. 43:43 - Have mercy. - We've got major projects. 43:45 He's finishing a project right now 43:46 on the days of Creation (which we'll 43:48 be talking about again, I'm sure). That's an 43:49 awesome project. Then, he goes to Loma 43:51 Linda University project that we're 43:53 doing for the brand new hospital; doing 43:54 a series of 12 healing miracles. 43:56 So, to be able to say, "Nathan, can 43:57 you paint something on the three angels' 43:59 messages for this idea?" There's no 44:01 time. This is too time-sensitive. 44:03 But it just so happened that our good friend 44:05 Doug Batchelor in 1999 was holding a meeting 44:09 in New York City. You remember that. 44:11 - Absolutely. We showed it. - That's right. 44:13 You did. Well, at that time, he called 44:15 me and said, "Can we create an 44:17 advertising package? A handbill." So, the 44:20 art that you see on these posters was 44:23 actually created originally for? 44:26 Doug Batchelor, and I had it in the file. 44:28 We simply took it and revised it. Nathan 44:33 didn't have a time to touch it. So we 44:36 had- and again, I call a digital artist 44:38 friend of mine- top-notch guy. Lars 44:40 Justinen. I said, "Lars, I need your 44:41 help." Well, Lars just had a big project. 44:44 He said, "Why didn't you call me last 44:45 week?" By the time I finished talking to 44:47 him, I said, "Lars- okay. If you're going 44:49 to give me to somebody else, then I know you 44:51 know what needs to be done, so you gotta 44:53 be sure enticeable. I do know what 44:54 needs to be done." - You're workin' 44:56 with some top-notch people. Justin did 44:57 one of the- er, Lars did one of my books, 45:00 The Forgotten Commandment. He worked with those, 45:03 yeah. - Well, he is excellent in that 45:05 arena. Nathan is excellent in his 45:07 arena; Lars is excellent in his. 45:08 So Lars says, "Okay. I'll do it. Send it 45:10 to me." So in three days, he's 45:13 taken one picture and revised it 45:16 digitally so I could have a separate 45:18 first angel, a separate second angel, a 45:20 separate third angel... All of this came 45:22 together within three days. Now, 45:24 if anybody knows anything about the 45:26 art world, that doesn't happen. To 45:27 get into those schedules- but 45:28 Lars caught the vision, as well. 45:30 Then, my designer- I call the designer 45:33 and say, "This is what I want to make 45:34 a poster- it's got to look this way 45:36 and it's going to fit this." 24x36 45:38 was the size that Larry and I talked 45:40 about that would be standard frames- 45:41 cheap frames and expensive frames. 45:42 All that came together. Then, Mark Finley 45:45 was out of country. He was in Greece, 45:50 actually, and he got back on Wednesday 45:51 night. I knew he was coming back on 45:53 Wednesday night, and he calls me. 45:54 Mark and I have been best friends 45:56 for years. He called me as soon as he 45:57 got back and I said, "Mark, I've 45:58 got something I need you to help me with." 46:00 Now, it's hard for me to do that, because 46:02 he's my dear friend, and he has so much 46:03 on his plate. But I said, "We've talked 46:06 about this," and he knew what we were kind 46:07 of doing. I said, "Listen. We just want 46:10 you to sit down as if you were telling 46:12 your 10-year-old granddaughter, and 46:14 I want you to write the copy that'll go 46:16 on each one of these posters," and 46:18 I described what it was. He said, "Okay, 46:19 I can do that." But he said, "I won't be 46:22 able to do it till Sunday." This was 46:23 Wednesday night. I said, "Sunday'd 46:25 be great." Well, I live on the West 46:28 Coast; he lives on the East Coast. When I 46:30 get up on Thursday morning, go to my 46:32 computer, and open up my email, there it is 46:34 He's already written it, and it's so good! 46:38 Now, a small group of us went through 46:40 and edited with Mark, and he did a couple 46:41 word changes to get it just right. All 46:44 of this came together within just a matter 46:46 of days. Then- I used to own a 46:50 printing company (as you know)- Color 46:51 Press. We sold that, it's gone. So, I don't 46:54 have the capability to go, "I can do this 46:56 myself," like I used to. So I called 46:58 Pacific Press, and they said, "Yes. We'd love 47:01 to be a part of this!" So, they happened 47:03 to have a schedule on their big 40" 47:06 press, and we were able to work that 47:08 out. They even handled the production 47:10 process as well as the mailing process. 47:13 So, all of this just came- it was in 47:15 July, which is a slow time for them 47:17 otherwise. All these pieces happened, then 47:20 we go to the ASI convention and I 47:22 have them with me. We get on the broadcast 47:25 there which, immediately- that's the first time 47:27 it ever happened at ASI, Danny. You 47:29 didn't get to watch this because when it 47:31 went off-air, you didn't get to see 47:33 it. But after we finished that program, 47:34 the first time ever in the history of ASI, 47:37 we had almost 100 people rush the stage 47:39 to get up close to see these pictures 47:42 and talk about it. That's the first 47:44 time where the homeschoolers came 47:45 up, Larry. I hadn't even- this had 47:47 been moving so fast that we hadn't had 47:49 time to think about some of these 47:51 things, and this lady says, "When 47:52 can we get them for homeschools?" 47:53 I said, "Right now, they're only available 47:55 for these classrooms." I mean, we were 47:58 peddling hard to get THAT done, but we 48:00 now started thinking homeschools. Then, 48:02 when Larry tells me, 100,000 homeschoolers 48:05 in the Adventist church in North 48:07 America, "We've got to help those guys 48:09 and give them opportunity, as well." 48:11 So, all that happened. Then the curriculum- 48:14 we start right on the curriculum. 48:16 The first draft is done; we're working on 48:18 refining that. The GLOW Tract- I call Nelson 48:22 Ernst; say, "Hey, would you guys be 48:24 interested? Because we're going to want 48:26 people to hand stuff out." They said, 48:28 "Yes! We'd love do that." So, I have 48:29 made a deal where they're going to be 48:31 able to put the same art on a GLOW Tract 48:33 on the three angels' messages, and that'll 48:35 be out by the end of the year. A beautiful 48:38 little high- you know, those people don't 48:39 realize it's harder to write something 48:41 short than it is long, and you're getting this 48:45 down to 1,200 words. But, see, I'm thinking 48:47 of Kim and her classroom. I'm 48:49 thinking of Larry and his classroom, and 48:51 thousands of others, Larry, that these kids 48:54 can inexpensively- and we're even going 48:57 to provide the seed funds for them to 49:00 start to buy these and hand them out 49:03 so that we're actually doing like 49:04 what you're doing with the music project; 49:06 like what you're doing with other 49:07 projects that we're helping to revitalize 49:09 this idea. I think the best is yet to 49:13 come that people are going to come forward 49:14 that God is going to bring that'll say, "Hey! 49:18 Have you thought about this?" And who knows? 49:21 This is not ours. This is God's. We're 49:24 just humble instruments in his 49:26 hands. Who knows what He'll make out of this? 49:28 - Amen. Our time is really running low. 49:30 I think- did we want to show a video of 49:32 Mark Finley? - Yes, we do. Thank you. 49:34 - Let's hear from Mark. - I've stood 49:37 on the great platforms of the world in 49:40 over 100 countries, and I've seen the 49:43 power of the three angels' messages 49:46 touch hearts and change lives. Let me 49:50 tell you a story. The Second World War 49:53 ended September 2, 1945. When the 49:59 Second World War ended, there were 50:01 many Jewish children whose parents had 50:06 been killed in the Holocaust. These 50:09 children, during the Second World War as 50:12 Jews, were taken into Catholic orphanages. 50:14 So, with the end of the Second World War, 50:18 many rabbis wanted to recover the Jewish 50:22 children from the Catholic orphanages. 50:24 When they went there, the priest said, "We 50:27 have no Jewish children here." 50:28 The rabbis said, "Well, what about 50:29 the names?" They said, "Oh, those are 50:31 Polish names. We can't tell the difference. 50:34 There's no Jewish children here." 50:36 Rabbi Yosef Kahaneman went to a Catholic 50:38 orphanage and was turned away in the 50:40 morning. He went to some of the American 50:43 soldiers who were overseeing that area 50:47 and he said, "Please, could you get me in 50:49 at least at night?" So, they came back, 50:51 negotiated with the priest, and Rabbi 50:53 Kahaneman was allowed to walk through the 50:55 orphanage. As he was walking through 50:57 the orphanage, he began to sing in 51:00 Hebrew the Jewish Shema. Deuteronomy 51:04 6:4, "The Lord our God is one Lord." 51:07 As he began to sing, a 5-year-old child 51:11 began to cry and say, "Mama, Mama!" 51:14 A 9-year-old said, "Mama, Mama!" 51:17 You see, every Jewish child knew the Shema. 51:21 They had been taught it from their earliest 51:24 ages; it was part of their DNA! And Rabbi 51:27 Kahaneman said, "That's one of mine. 51:29 That's one of mine. That's one of mine." 51:31 What's the Adventist DNA? What's the 51:36 Adventist DNA? What is it that should boil 51:40 the minds of our children? That should 51:42 make us a unique people? It's a 51:46 message given. Revelation 14:6, 51:49 "I saw another angel fly in the midst of 51:50 heaven, having the everlasting gospel 51:53 to go to the ends of the earth, to 51:55 every nation, kindred, tongue, and people, 51:57 saying with a loud voice, 'Fear God 51:59 and give glory to Him, for the hour 52:01 of His judgment is come.'" Imagine, 52:03 every Seventh-Day Adventist young 52:06 person, graduating from an Adventist school- 52:09 8th grade, academy, college-coming out 52:12 with a passion for mission; a passion 52:15 to share the three angels' messages... 52:17 That's what this project is all about. 52:20 - Amen. [audience applauds] 52:26 - Wow. That's exciting. In the DNA. 52:29 What's in our DNA? That's what it's 52:31 all about. What we want to do- we want 52:33 to put an address up on the screen 52:34 right now so that you may contact 52:36 Dan and see how you may get your own 52:39 material. - We hope you'll 52:43 want to participate in the Three Angels' 52:45 Messages project by helping to make these 52:48 posters, as well as the two-week curriculum 52:51 with lesson plans and study materials 52:53 available to every Seventh-Day Adventist 52:56 classroom. Visit their website, 52:58 IntoAllTheWorld.com to find out more. 53:01 That website, again, is IntoAllTheWorld.com 53:06 You may also want to call them toll-free at 53:08 (800) 487-4278, or write to Hart 53:14 Research Post Office Box 2377, Fallbrook, 53:19 California, 92088. |
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