I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome
to another 3ABN Today
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program. Thank you
for joining us as you do
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each and every
day. Thank you for your
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love and your
prayers and financial
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support of 3ABN as
we endeavor to take
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this great gospel
of the kingdom into all
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the world. I have
my co-host today, Ms.
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Yvonne, my wife,
and- listen. We have an
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exciting program today. - We do!
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- And I can't wait
to introduce the guests
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and to talk, and for
our audience at home.
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They'll want to
be a part of this.
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- Absolutely. -
The one thing that
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you learn after 34
years, you know what
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3ABN viewers and
what really reaches those.
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Those are the
people that have the vision
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to take the three
angels' messages to the
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world. - Yes. It's
amazing what God is
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doing, isn't it?
- Isn't it? - Yes.
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- The timing, which
is... - God's timing.
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He's always on
time. - That's right. - To
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take the line
from your sermon the
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other day. He's
always on time; never late.
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- God is
faithful that He's ALWAYS
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on time, and he
never fails. We serve a God
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who never fails.
Let's introduce our guests
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today. Brother Dan
Houghton. Dan, president
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of Hart. We've known each
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other; I was
sitting right before since-
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when? -1985. -
1985. So, how long've you
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been with Hart
Research? - We've been with Hart
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Research since
1988, so it's been 30
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years for us out in
California with Hart
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Research. God has
been very good to us
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and we're
grateful, so we've enjoyed
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our ministry,
tracking along with 3ABN
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ministry. We've
always been very proud of
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what's
happening, and thank you for
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having us on
today. - Well, we're glad
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that you're here.
We actually met in
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1985 in Big Sky,
Montana. Any of you hearin'
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some of the miracle
stories of 3ABN, that's
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where it started was
back in- you and Karen
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were there. - Yes,
we were. - And you were,
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I think, doing a
recording of all the
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programs and we were
just there. Someone paid
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our way and said,
"You need to go out
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to ASI. There's a
lot of people; tell her
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your story." We did,
and the Lord blessed.
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- I had the privilege
of recording that first
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story you told
at Big Sky. - Yeah?
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That's right! And
I think, not too long
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ago, I hadn't heard
it in about 20 or 25
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years (or
longer), and Kay Kuzma sent
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me- she had one
of the cassettes. She
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sent it to me,
and when I listened to
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myself, I said, "I
wouldn't have given
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to me."
[laughter] Because when I
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listened to this big
story- the guy's going
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to build a TV
station to reach the world
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and you have
nothing; you don't have the
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education, the
money, or background, and
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you're asking
people to support you.
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I said, "I
don't think I would've
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given to him at
all." Anyway, we're glad
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that you're here.
Then we have brother
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Larry Blackmer and
from- he's vice president
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of the North American
Division. Brother Larry,
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it's so good to
have you here today.
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Is this your first
trip to 3ABN? - It is!
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- Okay. It's not
going to be your last,
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I hope. - That's
right. - So we want to get you
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here. We so
appreciate you coming. Today,
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we've got an
exciting topic, and it's on
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the three angels'
messages. But to be
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able to work with
Laymen and the church
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together is
great. We have another
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Larry today-Larry Hiday. Larry,
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tell us where you're
from. - I teach sciences
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at Columbia
Adventist Academy in Battle
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Ground, Washington
to help those who are
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geographically
challenged, right across
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the river from
Portland, Oregon. - Okay;
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that's a long way.
We're glad that you're
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here today. -
It's good to be here.
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- Brother Dan, we
want to talk about- I want
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you to take us
back. Something has been
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had- there's something
in the air, and I got a
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phone call a few
weeks ago. I think
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Garwin McNeilus
first called me; had
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talked to you,
had talked to a number
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of people. Mark Finley's
involved... So many people,
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and I love God's
timing; don't you?
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When God's in it,
there's no denying
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it. So, tell us what happened.
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Take us back. I
know you have a little
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video and some
pictures too, so whenever
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you're
comfortable, we want our folks
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to get us excited
as we are. - Thank
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you, Danny. You
know, it started back- I
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got a phone call
a little over a year
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ago. A couple of my
friends, including Rusty
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McKee, were sitting down there
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brainstorming, and
they were concerned over
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the fact that the three angels'
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messages didn't
seem to be very prominent
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among college students (it was
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specific
college students). These
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two guys said,
"We were trying to
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brainstorm how we
could actually change that,
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and we wanted
to see if you'd get
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involved with us."
So they called me and
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we spent about 30
minutes on the phone.
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Initially, from
that first phone call,
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I started
thinking, "Hey. We got to be
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a little more sophisticated."
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We actually created a
script for one of these
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whiteboard
animations. It didn't work;
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nothing was working it
just seemed like. Then,
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fast-forward to
June 15th of 2018. I was
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driving between
Sacramento Airport
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and Weimar, and
I'm on the phone with
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one of my
friends. We're talking and
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saying, "You know,
this is not working.
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Haven't got this right." Started
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talking, and this-
his name is Brad, and
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he said, "Listen. I watched this
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movie, Hacksaw
Ridge, and I saw a young
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Desmond Doss
crawl up on the piano in
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their home on the
set there when that
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movie was being
made-" and this was a
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real story that
happened. This was a real
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representation.
He was looking at a
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picture of the 10
Commandments, and on
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that 10 Commandments,
they were showing him
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going down each
one. One said, "Thou
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shalt not kill."
In the conversation I
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was having with my
friend, he said, "You
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know, a piece of art
on the wall- this can
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happen. Look at
the impact it had on
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Desmond Doss!" So
all of a sudden, things
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started to click
in my mind. Of course,
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you know I work
with Nathan Greene. We
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do all of Nathan
Greene's artwork, which you
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have some of in
your studios; and it's
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all over the
world, by the way. I go
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everyplace the
world and there's Nathan's
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artwork (which
is wonderful; we're
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grateful for that).
But all of a sudden,
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the idea
clicked. "Hey, we could do
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these posters," and
the idea was, how do
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you put the
message on a piece of art?
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We got the idea,
"Hey, let's ask our
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friend Mark
Finley. Let's say, I want
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you to think about
Mark just talking to
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your 10-year-old
granddaughter and
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explaining in a
few words what each one
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these messages are about. It had
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clicked in my
head. I said, "Okay. We
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can do this." Once
we made that decision,
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God opened every door
FAST. Called my friend
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Larry Blackmer at the
North American Division
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and said, "What do
you think if we can
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get these to every
classroom?" He said,
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"I'm in!" He
wrote a cover letter so
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it could go when
we mailed it. We chose
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not to go through
a process of asking
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the schools if
they wanted it, 'cause
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that was going to
take months to get
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that done. We
just sent them. We were
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trying to make
sure we got them done
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before the big
teachers convention. Every
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5 years, Larry,
you have a teachers
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convention for
every teacher in North
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America. We wanted
to showcase it there
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and we did. God
worked that out. Then, I
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get to ASI,
Danny. We were not on the
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program. You
know how hard it is-
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even some of us who have been in
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leadership to get
in the program. It's
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not easy. But
because somebody canceled,
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Steve Dickman came
and said, "Dan, somebody's
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canceled. Would
you come on and do an
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interview with
me Sabbath afternoon
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about this project?"
Again, God's working!
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So we did that, and
I think at that time,
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I had Rusty
McKee there, and he was
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sharing the
original concept. This might
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be a really
good time to roll the
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tape. - Rusty
McKee with McKee Foods.
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A lot of people
might know even better than
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that, Little
Debbie. - That's right. He's
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Little Debbie's brother. - There
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you go. - But I
want us to roll and
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see him describe
at our ASI interview
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how this really
started. - Well, so,
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on Sabbath
afternoon, I love taking hikes
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in the mountains
right there in Collegedale,
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right next to
Southern Adventist University
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on these
beautiful trails. When I see
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these young folks
that look like college
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kids, I'll ask
them. "Hey, do you guys
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go to that
college over there?" And
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they'll say,
"Yes." Then I say, "Oh!
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Are you Seventh-Day
Adventists?" They say,
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"Yes." And I go, "Oh, I got some
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more questions!"
I said, "Do you guys
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believe that you're
a Protestant?" There's
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a pause. Most say
yes. And then I say,
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"Oh, fantastic! So
what are you protesting
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against?" What I'm
hoping to hear, one
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of these days,
is, "We're protesting
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anything that is
not biblically true."
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Haven't heard that
yet. Well, then I say,
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"I got more
questions. Okay, so, Seventh-Day
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Adventists-1
John 4:8-you believe
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God is love, and
everything in His
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Word, what He's
done in the past,
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and today and forevermore! Is
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that right?"
"Yes." Solid answer, and
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I always love hearing
that. "Well, then here's
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my final question.
Now, don't Adventists
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have this first,
second, and third
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angels' message?
It's for the last days;
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it's right before
Christ comes. Could
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you share that with
me? More importantly,
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share it in a
way that I hear God's
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love so it draws
me to that message."
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And there's a
long pause. A dozen
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years, many of
us- and these students
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have Seventh-day
Adventist Christian
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education. Why doesn't
this flow just from our
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heart? - Hm. -
Wow. - So, Danny, that's
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where it started-
Rusty out talking in
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the hills around
Southern Adventist University,
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realizing that there
just was an unfamiliarity.
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We heard the
words. Even, they may have
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watched 3ABN; they
hear the words, but
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what does it mean?
Specifically, there's
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one more piece
of this that really
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has come home to
me, and that is, who is
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the God that is
sending these messages?
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Who is this God,
and why is He sending
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them? So, before I
jump to Larry and the
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North American
Division and how we got the
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project going, I
just want to make sure I
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get this point in,
Danny. That is that
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this God of love is
so anxious to not be
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separated from
His creation forever,
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and He knows that
corruption is destroying
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the planet and
Earth. The time is running
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out, and if people
don't make a decision
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for Him, they're
going to be separated
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from Him forever.
So sometimes, they
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may come across a
little stridency, a
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little urgency,
just like if your kid's
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running across
the street and a car's
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coming and you
don't say, "Johnny, please
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come back!" You
know? You give a good
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signal, but the
"love that is in these."
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We decided we
wanted to convey the love
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and we wanted to
reactivate an interest
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in the kids and
in their parents, and
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anybody else. If we
could accomplish through
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this project a
renaissance, in the
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Seventh-Day
Adventist church, of studying
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and examining and
making part of the
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heart search and
the heart cry the three
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angels' messages
that God has given to us,
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we'll consider
this to be a fantastic
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success. -
Amen. Praise the Lord.
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- So, anyway, I call
Larry and say, "Larry,
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how can we get these
into all the schools?
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If I have the
ability and we have funding
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available to
mail them and get them
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there, what do you
think?" - So, as we
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talked, we knew
the teachers convention
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was coming, and
I'd have 6,100 of my
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closest friends
joining me in Chicago. We
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knew that this was
an opportunity that
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we had. So, we
used that opportunity to
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share the posters
in the exhibit hall.
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Dan was there and
Karen was there. They
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put them up, and
teachers could come
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through and see
them, not knowing that when
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they got back to
their classroom, a set of
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posters will be
waiting for them. So
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we mailed them in
time, so when they
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came back from
teachers convention, in their
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classroom would
be a set of posters.
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Teachers were
excited. It's our opportunity
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to meld this
message back into our Bible
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curriculum. We have
a new Bible curriculum,
00:13:18.29\00:13:19.73
Encounter Bible,
in which it's a strong
00:13:19.83\00:13:22.53
core message of
the Adventist church
00:13:22.63\00:13:25.83
wrapped a
relationship with Jesus. So this
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is another
opportunity we have to push this
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message back into
our Bible curriculum.
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- Okay. So, all of
a sudden, it's going
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from just Rusty's
conversations to you
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and to Dr.
Blackmer and North American
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Division, and
you're now getting it into
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the schools, but
then we have the teachers,
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because the teachers
have to be supportive.
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- That's right. -
So, Larry- we have two,
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so we have Dr. Larry over here
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and Larry. So,
how are you involved?
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How are the
teachers- what do you see the
00:14:05.11\00:14:06.81
teachers' vision-
how are they to help
00:14:06.91\00:14:09.61
support this program?
- Well, I think you've
00:14:09.74\00:14:12.35
heard about the
Bible aspect, but one of
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the things I want my students as
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biology, as
chemistry, as anatomy and
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physiology students
to recognize is that
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this is relevant to
them, as well. I just
00:14:24.89\00:14:28.76
really see the
relevance in that first angel's
00:14:28.86\00:14:31.47
message when it
says, "Fear God and give
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glory to Him." I
asked my students,
00:14:36.17\00:14:38.37
"Why would we do
that?" Then we go
00:14:38.47\00:14:40.84
down to that
next part and it says,
00:14:40.91\00:14:43.04
"Because He's our
Creator. He created
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the heavens and the
earth and the seas."
00:14:45.01\00:14:47.52
To just say, "This
is the foundation of
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everything that
we're going to study this
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year." I think a
couple things that I
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try to really make
sure they understand is
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that it says, "Fear
God." Well, what does
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that really mean?
And when we think about
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it as having awe,
then that's what the
00:15:06.50\00:15:10.91
whole thing about
learning about biology
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is going to be
about is there's this awe!
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We've got all this
stuff. I think until
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you really
understand that stuff, you can't
00:15:20.45\00:15:23.85
be excited about
it. So, for them to take
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that and say, "Okay,
I'm starting to learn
00:15:27.56\00:15:30.79
about biology.
I'm excited about it."
00:15:30.89\00:15:32.96
Now let's take
that back. How can we
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learn about our
Creator through what
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we're learning
about in biology? - What's
00:15:37.97\00:15:40.77
been the
students' reaction to what
00:15:40.84\00:15:43.41
you've been
doing? - I think they're
00:15:43.47\00:15:45.07
always kind of a
little, "Why are we
00:15:45.14\00:15:48.88
going to
Revelation 14 to start biology
00:15:48.98\00:15:52.38
class this
year?" But then I think
00:15:52.45\00:15:55.68
that they get it,
and I hope that they
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really see that
it's relevant to their
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life. - You'll
know more at the end of
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the year than you did
at the beginning, but we
00:16:03.36\00:16:06.16
know that it's going
to make a difference in
00:16:06.26\00:16:08.23
their lives because
this is present truth
00:16:08.33\00:16:10.53
to give to the lost
and dying world. But
00:16:10.60\00:16:13.70
what I'm excited
about, Dan, is the way that
00:16:13.80\00:16:16.34
you've taken it
and you're running with
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it, and the church is
joining together because
00:16:17.84\00:16:22.64
this message- I'm
amazed. Places we go
00:16:22.71\00:16:26.21
and we travel,
they'll say, "Oh, Three Angels
00:16:26.35\00:16:29.65
used to be-" my
daughter and I, during the
00:16:29.72\00:16:32.85
early years of
3ABN, we'd be traveling
00:16:32.92\00:16:34.46
and they'd say,
"Oh, Three Angels- well,
00:16:34.52\00:16:37.86
there's you and
your daughter. Who's the
00:16:37.93\00:16:39.69
other angel?"
[laughter] And they think we've
00:16:39.76\00:16:42.36
named after
ourselves, you know? So we say,
00:16:42.40\00:16:44.63
they don't know
anything. We're not
00:16:44.70\00:16:46.53
doing our job
very well-but I have a
00:16:46.60\00:16:48.80
confession to
make. I was 33 years old,
00:16:48.90\00:16:51.07
was raised in
the Adventist church.
00:16:51.17\00:16:52.74
My mother was
baptized the year I was born,
00:16:52.81\00:16:55.18
and she knew her
Bible inside and out. But
00:16:55.28\00:16:58.05
in 1984, November,
when I was impressed
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to build a
television station to reach the
00:17:01.15\00:17:03.32
world-one that
would counteract the
00:17:03.39\00:17:06.15
counterfeit-giving
the undiluted three
00:17:06.25\00:17:09.86
angels' messages,
that's the thought that
00:17:09.96\00:17:12.29
came to me. Dr.
Larry, I had to say to myself
00:17:12.36\00:17:15.73
as a Seventh-Day
Adventist- now, I
00:17:15.83\00:17:17.80
could argue with
you about the Sabbath
00:17:17.90\00:17:19.53
or the state of the
dead, even the health
00:17:19.63\00:17:22.10
message- all of
these things. But I said,
00:17:22.17\00:17:24.81
"I'm going to have
to go study the three
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angels' messages,
because I've heard of
00:17:27.44\00:17:30.38
them, and I know,"
but I didn't really-
00:17:30.45\00:17:33.21
I'm 33 years old
at the time, so since
00:17:33.28\00:17:36.45
that impression came
to give the undiluted
00:17:36.55\00:17:38.82
three angels'
messages, I'm guilty as being an
00:17:38.89\00:17:42.49
Adventist
Christian for that many years
00:17:42.56\00:17:45.83
and not really
knowing that this is the
00:17:45.89\00:17:48.96
heart of our
message. We get sidetracked
00:17:49.00\00:17:52.73
on some of these
other things, and we think
00:17:52.77\00:17:55.10
that our message- but
our message is steeped
00:17:55.17\00:17:58.11
in the love of
Jesus. As you said, the love
00:17:58.21\00:18:00.64
of God is greater,
farther, than tongue
00:18:00.74\00:18:02.88
or pen can ever
tell, right? - I love that
00:18:02.94\00:18:04.81
song. - Isn't that
an incredible song?
00:18:04.91\00:18:06.78
So, what we're doing
and what you're doing,
00:18:06.85\00:18:09.62
and you're
allowing 3ABN to be a part
00:18:09.72\00:18:11.85
of this just by
having you on here, and of
00:18:11.92\00:18:14.16
course, our name,
Three Angels Broadcasting
00:18:14.22\00:18:16.06
Network... - How
could it not work well?
00:18:16.16\00:18:18.49
- It's really a core
of the church. Everywhere
00:18:19.69\00:18:22.66
you go, if you look
at the General Conference
00:18:22.76\00:18:25.97
logo, there are 3
swirls. If you look
00:18:26.00\00:18:28.67
at the NAD logo for
education, there are
00:18:28.74\00:18:32.11
3. If you look at
wristband- it doesn't
00:18:32.17\00:18:34.78
matter what logo.
We have built the three
00:18:34.84\00:18:37.85
angels' message
into the core of who we
00:18:37.95\00:18:40.32
are as a church, but
yet, our members don't
00:18:40.35\00:18:43.42
understand the
value that that has for
00:18:43.49\00:18:46.59
their life. So, I
think this project
00:18:46.65\00:18:48.82
and the emphasis
that we want to place
00:18:48.89\00:18:53.90
back on the
three angels' message,
00:18:54.00\00:18:55.96
it's the last
message to a dying world.
00:18:56.06\00:18:58.23
It's the last opportunity
that God has to speak
00:18:58.30\00:19:01.67
to His children and
to say, "I love you;
00:19:01.74\00:19:05.17
I want you to be
with me." I believe that
00:19:05.27\00:19:10.58
the theme of the
Bible- I ask this
00:19:10.71\00:19:12.48
in sermons all
the time. "What's the
00:19:12.51\00:19:13.92
theme of the
Bible?" People say, "Well,
00:19:13.98\00:19:17.35
it's love, it's
salvation-" all of
00:19:17.42\00:19:20.16
that's true, but
I believe the theme
00:19:20.26\00:19:22.62
of the Bible is that
Jesus wants to reunite
00:19:22.69\00:19:25.86
His family; He
wants to be our Father. He
00:19:25.93\00:19:30.27
wants us to be His
children, and this is
00:19:30.43\00:19:32.43
the last message
that He's sharing with a
00:19:32.53\00:19:35.10
dying world to say,
"Come home." I think
00:19:35.20\00:19:38.31
we have to find
a way to make sure
00:19:38.37\00:19:40.84
that our children
and our families reunite
00:19:40.91\00:19:43.78
with that message. -
Revelation starts out-
00:19:43.85\00:19:48.55
the revelation of
Jesus Christ-and yet, most
00:19:48.62\00:19:53.25
churches (and I can
say this publicly on
00:19:53.32\00:19:58.29
the air)-
Protestant churches, Catholic
00:19:58.39\00:20:01.93
Church- you name
the churches. Christian
00:20:01.96\00:20:04.27
churches tell you,
when in fact, people
00:20:04.37\00:20:10.21
that I know, they
actually tell their
00:20:10.27\00:20:11.61
members, "Stay
away from that," or,
00:20:11.71\00:20:13.51
"That's old stuff;
that's past. You don't
00:20:13.58\00:20:15.24
need to study Daniel
and Revelation." Now,
00:20:15.31\00:20:17.65
wouldn't that be a
plan of the devil if there's
00:20:17.75\00:20:19.98
a revealing of
Jesus Christ, that
00:20:20.08\00:20:22.62
he can talk you
out of it and say, "Oh,
00:20:22.72\00:20:25.45
don't go to
that. That's stuff and
00:20:25.52\00:20:27.12
that's wild
stories of beast and images
00:20:27.19\00:20:29.89
and all of these
things, and somebody
00:20:29.96\00:20:31.93
must have drank too
much in John who wrote
00:20:32.03\00:20:34.90
this." I mean,
that's the way people feel
00:20:34.96\00:20:37.87
about it, and yet,
we as a church and as
00:20:37.97\00:20:40.37
a people from the
foundation of our church
00:20:40.44\00:20:43.81
and the three
angels' messages through
00:20:43.87\00:20:45.97
Ellen White, and
literally, the people
00:20:46.04\00:20:48.44
that came together
to study from different
00:20:48.54\00:20:52.18
denominations to
say, "Wow, there's more
00:20:52.25\00:20:54.68
truths here." The
three angels' messages. So,
00:20:54.75\00:20:57.95
we, for years,
have said, the public
00:20:58.02\00:21:02.39
don't know and
they don't understand;
00:21:02.46\00:21:03.96
it's our job to get
it to them, but Dan,
00:21:04.06\00:21:05.79
you said something
to me. Maybe it's even
00:21:05.86\00:21:07.86
before we came on
set. You said-maybe
00:21:07.96\00:21:09.96
you could explain
it- that it's not just
00:21:10.07\00:21:11.97
the public who's lost or doesn't
00:21:12.03\00:21:13.67
know the message
that we have a couple
00:21:13.77\00:21:16.57
of generations
that we've been kind of
00:21:16.67\00:21:19.61
losing it within
(which would work great with
00:21:19.71\00:21:22.01
the devil's plan).
- It is. And Danny,
00:21:22.08\00:21:24.81
one of the things
that causes that is that
00:21:24.91\00:21:28.15
the prophecies,
especially in the third
00:21:28.25\00:21:30.29
angel's message,
there's some talking about the
00:21:30.39\00:21:34.19
mark of the beast,
and the- there's some
00:21:34.26\00:21:35.96
heavy stuff in
there. So, we've tended to
00:21:36.06\00:21:38.26
shy back from that
a little bit; but even
00:21:38.36\00:21:40.80
in that, the love
of God is there. So you
00:21:40.86\00:21:43.57
basically, just like
you heard Dr. Blackmer
00:21:43.67\00:21:45.93
talk about here, we
have a couple generations
00:21:46.00\00:21:49.40
of people that
know about, which means
00:21:49.50\00:21:52.57
they know the name.
They're familiar with
00:21:52.64\00:21:54.54
the terminology. But
as far as knowing what's
00:21:54.64\00:21:56.81
embodied in it-
especially that it's
00:21:56.91\00:21:58.45
based on love.
It's not there. So we're
00:21:58.51\00:22:00.72
wanting to change
that. Bottom line-we want
00:22:00.78\00:22:03.72
to change that. I'll
come back a little later
00:22:03.82\00:22:06.29
in the program and
talk about the rest
00:22:06.39\00:22:07.72
of how this
came together, 'cause
00:22:07.76\00:22:09.09
it's very
fascinating, but the idea of
00:22:09.12\00:22:10.46
wanting to change
this is what's driven
00:22:10.49\00:22:12.39
us in what we're
doing. I think the
00:22:12.53\00:22:14.63
Holy Spirit has been
pushing us. I wouldn't
00:22:14.70\00:22:16.33
have dreamed that
we were going to be
00:22:16.43\00:22:17.77
going down this
road and having all these
00:22:17.80\00:22:19.13
pieces come
together. But just as an
00:22:19.17\00:22:20.74
example to show
how this has worked...
00:22:20.84\00:22:23.71
We're talking about
kids, but, Larry, how
00:22:23.81\00:22:26.11
many of our kids
in the Adventist world
00:22:26.17\00:22:28.94
are actually in
Adventist schools? - About
00:22:29.01\00:22:31.41
30%. - Okay. So,
30% of the kids in the
00:22:31.51\00:22:34.28
Adventist church
are in our Adventist
00:22:34.32\00:22:36.28
schools. What about
the other 70%? There are
00:22:36.38\00:22:39.39
an estimated-
what? How many thousands
00:22:39.42\00:22:42.06
of
homeschoolers estimated? - Um,
00:22:42.12\00:22:44.13
somewhere around
100,000 homeschooled
00:22:44.23\00:22:46.49
homeschool kids out
00:22:46.59\00:22:49.46
there, and kids
going to other schools-
00:22:49.53\00:22:51.70
public schools.
Okay? How can those kids
00:22:51.77\00:22:55.04
also get a sense
of what is the nitty
00:22:55.14\00:22:58.37
gritty of the
three angels' messages?
00:22:58.51\00:22:59.84
Where is the love
of God in all of that?
00:22:59.87\00:23:01.91
That's our
objective. And here's how- to
00:23:02.04\00:23:05.05
show you how it
has happened... Just
00:23:05.15\00:23:07.22
several weeks ago,
we had someone call
00:23:07.32\00:23:10.05
and say, "Hey!
Have you thought about
00:23:10.15\00:23:12.42
making this into
a Pathfinder honor?
00:23:12.52\00:23:14.49
We got the big
Pathfinder camporee
00:23:14.59\00:23:16.12
coming up in just
a matter of less than
00:23:16.22\00:23:18.96
10 months." We
said, "No! But that's a
00:23:19.06\00:23:20.70
fantastic idea."
It turned out that the
00:23:20.80\00:23:22.93
board at the
North American Division
00:23:23.03\00:23:24.73
Pathfinder group met
three days later, and
00:23:24.83\00:23:28.07
we were able to
put together a package
00:23:28.14\00:23:29.47
with even a
little design for their
00:23:29.50\00:23:30.91
patch. - That is a
coincidence, wasn't
00:23:31.01\00:23:32.34
it? [laughter] -
It was no coincidence.
00:23:32.37\00:23:34.24
So, bottom line-
- Divine providence.
00:23:34.34\00:23:36.44
- We were approved-the
concept is approved-
00:23:36.54\00:23:38.91
and there will be a
new Pathfinder honor
00:23:39.01\00:23:41.18
in this, as well. In
addition to that, we're
00:23:41.25\00:23:44.49
putting together a
curriculum that'll go
00:23:44.55\00:23:46.92
with Encounter
and there will be a
00:23:46.99\00:23:49.09
10-day curriculum.
So a teacher like Larry
00:23:49.19\00:23:52.33
Hiday here, and another teacher
00:23:52.39\00:23:53.86
we'll have on in
a minute... They can
00:23:53.93\00:23:55.30
actually pull
this down off of the
00:23:55.36\00:23:57.30
websites and have
full- what would you
00:23:57.37\00:24:01.10
call it? It's a
teacher's plan...
00:24:01.17\00:24:03.91
What do you call
that, Larry? What's
00:24:03.97\00:24:05.31
the- - The curriculum?
00:24:05.34\00:24:06.68
- Well, it's the
materials so that
00:24:06.71\00:24:08.04
they have the
resources for everything that
00:24:08.08\00:24:10.38
needs to happen
for them to teach in
00:24:10.48\00:24:12.21
the regular rhythm
in how they're doing
00:24:12.35\00:24:14.38
that. So, they
don't get this and say,
00:24:14.48\00:24:16.18
"Well, I got to
write something." They've
00:24:16.28\00:24:17.69
got it all there for
them. We're in process
00:24:17.75\00:24:19.65
on that. That part's
taking a little longer
00:24:19.75\00:24:21.82
than what I thought
it would. We're going
00:24:21.99\00:24:23.32
through refining.
The first draft is done,
00:24:23.36\00:24:26.06
but the refining
is not. We're trying
00:24:26.16\00:24:28.40
to get that
reversed so that now, if you
00:24:28.60\00:24:32.30
have all these kids
in school that don't
00:24:32.40\00:24:34.90
know, a year from
now, how many will
00:24:34.97\00:24:38.41
know? That's
where I get excited. How
00:24:38.47\00:24:41.08
many of their
PARENTS will know? - That's
00:24:41.14\00:24:43.85
the point. -
Okay. - You know, it's
00:24:43.95\00:24:46.72
interesting that
we only have 30% in
00:24:46.78\00:24:48.82
Adventist education.
Some people say that's
00:24:48.88\00:24:51.59
a terrible
number. That's the highest
00:24:51.65\00:24:53.12
number of any
denomination in North America.
00:24:53.19\00:24:57.43
So, we have more
kids in our schools than
00:24:57.53\00:24:59.76
any other denomination
that has an educational
00:24:59.86\00:25:02.43
system. But that's
still an indictment
00:25:02.50\00:25:05.50
against who we are
as Christian parents
00:25:05.57\00:25:09.77
and a church. We
can share this with that
00:25:09.84\00:25:13.88
30%, and we capture
those children, but we
00:25:13.94\00:25:18.31
also capture
their parents and we
00:25:18.38\00:25:20.38
capture their grandparents.
I have a real burden
00:25:20.45\00:25:24.99
that the other 70%
of our children that
00:25:25.05\00:25:28.22
are not in
Adventist education must have
00:25:28.32\00:25:30.56
a way to learn the
distinctive messages
00:25:30.66\00:25:32.63
of the church, and
we don't have a really
00:25:32.73\00:25:34.90
good way to do that.
Our parents have lost
00:25:35.00\00:25:37.70
that. They don't
understand the sanctuary
00:25:37.77\00:25:40.07
message. They don't
understand the three
00:25:40.17\00:25:41.60
angels' message.
They don't understand the
00:25:41.70\00:25:43.54
remnant church and
Ellen White. How do
00:25:43.61\00:25:47.48
we help all of our
children and all of
00:25:47.58\00:25:49.94
our families to
capture the pertinent
00:25:50.01\00:25:55.18
points? We have the
Sabbath, and as we do
00:25:55.28\00:25:57.65
research and look
at how our families
00:25:57.75\00:26:00.06
are relating to the
pillars of the church,
00:26:00.19\00:26:03.29
the Sabbath is
holding pretty strong. But
00:26:03.39\00:26:05.69
those others,
the remnant church,
00:26:05.79\00:26:07.13
the sanctuary, the
three angels' message,
00:26:07.16\00:26:08.96
the state of the
dead, Ellen White...
00:26:09.06\00:26:11.80
They are declining
all the time. We have
00:26:11.90\00:26:14.37
to find a way to
help our families,
00:26:14.50\00:26:17.34
to help our
churches... What's the last time
00:26:17.44\00:26:20.28
you've heard, other
than an evangelistic
00:26:20.38\00:26:22.44
series, the pastor
talk about the relevance
00:26:22.51\00:26:26.15
of the sanctuary to
the Adventist church.
00:26:26.25\00:26:29.18
It's not being
taught in Sabbath school,
00:26:29.28\00:26:32.35
it's not being
taught on the pulpit, it's
00:26:32.45\00:26:35.36
not being taught in
the home; how are we
00:26:35.42\00:26:37.79
going to
re-engage our families and
00:26:37.86\00:26:40.33
our young people
into the distinctive
00:26:40.43\00:26:42.70
messages of the
Adventist church?
00:26:42.76\00:26:44.83
If we lose those
distinctives, then
00:26:44.93\00:26:47.40
we will become just
another denomination
00:26:47.47\00:26:49.27
that loves Jesus.
It's important to love
00:26:49.37\00:26:51.94
Jesus, but we also
have a very distinct
00:26:52.01\00:26:55.04
message: that
Christ expects us to share
00:26:55.14\00:26:58.68
with the whole world.
- Daniel and Revelation,
00:26:58.75\00:27:01.15
actually, is a
staple. It's the stabilizer
00:27:01.25\00:27:04.92
for me, because
what I found out years
00:27:04.99\00:27:07.06
ago-and what I always
tell people, and you've
00:27:07.16\00:27:09.32
heard me say it
many times-when you
00:27:09.39\00:27:12.49
understand prophecy,
most churches say, "Oh,
00:27:12.59\00:27:16.97
that's-" When you
understand it, I always say,
00:27:17.03\00:27:19.63
"We've read the
back of the book, and it
00:27:19.70\00:27:21.30
says we win." So,
we should never get
00:27:21.37\00:27:24.21
discouraged. John
and Mary go to the-
00:27:24.27\00:27:26.74
You go to the
bookstore and somebody buys a
00:27:26.81\00:27:29.41
novel. It says- you
read the back of it.
00:27:29.51\00:27:32.98
It says, "John
and Mary rode off into
00:27:33.05\00:27:34.52
the sunset happily
ever after." So, you
00:27:34.62\00:27:36.89
take the book home
and it's 200 pages.
00:27:36.99\00:27:38.82
Halfway through,
John and Mary fall
00:27:38.92\00:27:42.26
off of the cliff
and they're hanging on
00:27:42.36\00:27:44.26
a limb that's a
2,000 feet drop. You don't
00:27:44.36\00:27:46.96
get discouraged,
'cause you've read the back
00:27:47.03\00:27:49.46
of the book. So you
say, "Wow! How's the
00:27:49.53\00:27:51.73
author going to get
them out of this jam?"
00:27:51.80\00:27:53.74
Spiritually, I'm
traveling along in
00:27:53.80\00:27:56.34
my life, and I'm
in this terrible jam.
00:27:56.44\00:27:58.74
All of a sudden, I
say, "Wow, God, how
00:27:58.84\00:28:02.11
are you going to
get me out of this one?"
00:28:02.18\00:28:03.95
You don't get
discouraged, so that is the
00:28:03.98\00:28:06.21
stabilizer. That's
why the devil hates
00:28:06.31\00:28:09.88
the three angels'
messages. He hates
00:28:09.95\00:28:12.65
the books of Daniel
and Revelation because
00:28:12.72\00:28:15.12
he loses. So
now, with what you're
00:28:15.26\00:28:19.23
doing, and the
emphasis to get this to our
00:28:19.29\00:28:22.76
own members and
generations that's
00:28:22.83\00:28:24.60
lost, to see this
will bring a tremendous-
00:28:24.73\00:28:27.47
Dan, as you know-a
revival to this church.
00:28:27.57\00:28:30.71
When the people are
revived, guess what's
00:28:30.77\00:28:33.38
going to happen?
The dead bones come to
00:28:33.44\00:28:36.41
life. It's going to
affect our neighbors
00:28:36.51\00:28:38.68
and our friends,
and the whole world,
00:28:38.71\00:28:40.35
in fact. So, that's
why this is so timely.
00:28:40.45\00:28:43.05
- You keep saying
things that remind me
00:28:43.15\00:28:44.59
of songs, Danny.
Ezekiel, the valley
00:28:44.69\00:28:47.19
of the dry bones.
We want to see those
00:28:47.26\00:28:48.96
bones come back
together. I know that
00:28:49.02\00:28:50.49
in addition to what
we're doing-and this
00:28:50.63\00:28:52.13
is how I'm so fascinated that
00:28:52.23\00:28:53.76
different people are
doing different things.
00:28:53.86\00:28:55.46
Three Angels
Broadcasting Network
00:28:55.56\00:28:57.73
has been working
on a project, as well,
00:28:57.83\00:28:59.73
in this. I love the
music DVD, I love the
00:28:59.83\00:29:03.30
series of sermons
that you put together
00:29:03.41\00:29:05.57
with your camp
meeting, talking about this,
00:29:05.64\00:29:07.21
and we didn't know
you were doing that.
00:29:07.28\00:29:08.84
- Right. - You
didn't know we were doing
00:29:08.94\00:29:10.28
this. But God was
saying, "Okay, we're
00:29:10.31\00:29:12.31
bringing things together," and I
00:29:12.38\00:29:13.72
wonder what will
be next, because we're
00:29:13.75\00:29:15.25
still very much
a work-in-process.
00:29:15.32\00:29:18.65
Who knows what
will happen? But I love
00:29:18.72\00:29:20.06
the fact that you
can put music together
00:29:20.16\00:29:22.09
with these
concepts. - To give the three
00:29:22.16\00:29:25.29
angels' messages.
In just a moment, we're
00:29:25.39\00:29:27.33
going to switch
guests. I don't know- brother
00:29:27.40\00:29:29.36
Larry, before you
leave, do you have
00:29:29.46\00:29:32.20
something else
you want to share with
00:29:32.27\00:29:33.77
us? - I'm just
excited to be part of this
00:29:33.84\00:29:35.87
whole thing, to
share with my kids,
00:29:35.94\00:29:38.34
and start that regeneration of
00:29:38.41\00:29:40.28
sharing the
message. - Amen. Praise the
00:29:40.38\00:29:45.05
Lord. What we're going to do is,
00:29:45.11\00:29:46.55
part of this
project that Dan was talking
00:29:46.65\00:29:48.38
to you called, "Give
Him Glory," which, of
00:29:48.48\00:29:50.69
course, is first
angel's messages, today we're
00:29:50.75\00:29:54.12
going to be-
it's a song written by
00:29:54.19\00:29:55.52
Lanny Wolfe and Yvonne
Lewis-Shelton, and it's
00:29:55.59\00:29:59.46
called, "Glorious
Church." This song
00:29:59.53\00:30:01.86
is deep, but what
an incredible message
00:30:01.96\00:30:04.53
and music.
00:30:04.63\00:30:06.90
Amen. Praise the
Lord. It's amazing how
00:37:21.80\00:37:26.31
many ways you can
get the three angels'
00:37:26.37\00:37:28.18
messages to the
world. I just have never
00:37:28.24\00:37:30.31
really thought
about music delivering it
00:37:30.38\00:37:33.05
in such a way.
Thank you, Wintley Phipps,
00:37:33.11\00:37:35.02
for being able
to deliver it. Well,
00:37:35.08\00:37:37.82
we switched seats
over here. Why don't
00:37:37.89\00:37:40.06
you introduce us? - We have Kim
00:37:40.16\00:37:42.09
Shumaker. We want
to welcome you. Kim is
00:37:42.16\00:37:44.46
a teacher at
Takoma Adventist Academy.
00:37:44.56\00:37:47.86
- Greenville Adventist Academy.
00:37:47.96\00:37:49.63
- Greenville. - We
have Takoma Hospital near
00:37:49.70\00:37:51.93
us. So, there have been a lot of
00:37:52.00\00:37:53.67
merging-together of
the two over the years,
00:37:53.74\00:37:56.77
so the name gets easily confused
00:37:56.84\00:37:58.67
sometimes. - It's
in Tennessee. We were
00:37:58.74\00:38:01.08
just there
yesterday. - See, we're thinking
00:38:01.14\00:38:02.61
of Takoma and
Takoma Park, but this is
00:38:02.68\00:38:04.61
Tennessee. Great! Well, welcome!
00:38:04.68\00:38:07.32
- Thank you so
much for having me.
00:38:07.35\00:38:09.08
- You've heard- I'm
sure you were sitting
00:38:09.15\00:38:11.59
back and you've
heard of what we were
00:38:11.65\00:38:13.05
talking about
with Larry. We want to
00:38:13.15\00:38:15.89
hear a little bit
from your perspective
00:38:15.92\00:38:17.43
about this
project. - Well, I'm very
00:38:17.53\00:38:20.73
excited about it,
because we have the
00:38:20.83\00:38:23.23
new Encounter Bible
curriculum this year.
00:38:23.30\00:38:25.27
This, I think,
plays into that so well.
00:38:25.37\00:38:28.40
We started my
year- I teach 7th and
00:38:28.47\00:38:31.81
8th grade,
primarily, and we started our
00:38:31.87\00:38:34.21
year talking
about the war in heaven
00:38:34.28\00:38:35.94
and about why all this
deception and everything
00:38:36.01\00:38:38.75
is going to happen,
because of how Satan
00:38:38.85\00:38:42.18
fell. Now, we're
into Creation and the fall
00:38:42.28\00:38:46.45
of man. So now,
we're able to look at these
00:38:46.55\00:38:50.06
messages and say
this is why, this is the
00:38:50.13\00:38:55.76
how, this is what
is going to be, and you
00:38:55.86\00:38:59.00
have the
opportunity to be a part of it
00:38:59.10\00:39:01.20
and to benefit so
greatly from it. So,
00:39:01.27\00:39:04.81
we're excited about
this. It's fitting well in
00:39:04.91\00:39:08.34
with what some of
our other teachers are
00:39:08.44\00:39:11.08
doing. One of the
units in 5th grade is
00:39:11.15\00:39:14.98
talking about Elijah
and about God's call.
00:39:15.08\00:39:17.19
This is our call.
This is our call as a
00:39:17.32\00:39:19.52
church. Teaching
the students with these
00:39:19.59\00:39:23.59
posters- it's a
great visual reminder
00:39:23.66\00:39:26.53
to be there that
they can see in the hall
00:39:26.59\00:39:28.90
and see in the
classroom. - So they still
00:39:29.00\00:39:30.33
work. The pictures,
the posters- you know,
00:39:30.37\00:39:32.53
we're so used to
everything on our
00:39:32.63\00:39:34.04
phones and all of
this- yeah. iPads, everything
00:39:34.10\00:39:37.94
digital. So,
pictures still work?
00:39:38.07\00:39:39.91
- Absolutely. I
would hate to go in a
00:39:40.01\00:39:41.38
classroom that had
nothing on its walls.
00:39:41.48\00:39:43.24
You still do
the bulletin boards,
00:39:43.31\00:39:46.25
you do whatever,
because you want to
00:39:46.31\00:39:48.25
engage by any means
necessary, and this is
00:39:48.32\00:39:51.35
another great tool
of engagement. - Now,
00:39:51.42\00:39:54.02
that's great. - Kim-
oh, I'm sorry; go ahead.
00:39:54.09\00:39:56.32
- It's difficult
to find distinctly
00:39:56.42\00:39:58.59
Adventist posters
to put up on the walls.
00:39:58.66\00:40:01.63
So, we've done a
number of posters
00:40:01.73\00:40:04.73
of pioneer posters,
but this is distinctly
00:40:04.83\00:40:08.34
Adventist. Teachers
want that distinctly
00:40:08.44\00:40:11.27
Adventist
poster on the wall. So,
00:40:11.37\00:40:14.61
we're so thankful
that they're available.
00:40:14.68\00:40:16.68
- Kim, I know
that we have a picture.
00:40:16.75\00:40:18.91
We have a picture
of the posters up in
00:40:19.05\00:40:20.92
her school. You
were telling me the story
00:40:20.98\00:40:23.75
about a teacher
that brought the students
00:40:23.82\00:40:25.79
out to look at the
posters, where they
00:40:25.89\00:40:27.56
were, because it
illustrated a point.
00:40:27.62\00:40:29.16
Tell us about
that. - Yes. She had just
00:40:29.22\00:40:31.49
started her new
unit on Elijah and had
00:40:31.56\00:40:34.60
kind of- the
catch, the hook, at the
00:40:34.73\00:40:39.33
beginning of the
unit is to talk about
00:40:39.40\00:40:42.14
calling. What is
a calling? And so
00:40:42.20\00:40:46.07
she said, "What's
our calling? What's
00:40:46.17\00:40:47.98
our calling as a
church?" And the kids brought
00:40:48.08\00:40:50.08
up, "Well, we're
telling people about
00:40:50.11\00:40:52.25
the Sabbath. We're
doing this," and the
00:40:52.35\00:40:54.25
three angels'
message- it didn't come up.
00:40:54.35\00:40:56.82
With a little prodding,
eventually, one student
00:40:56.92\00:40:59.29
spit it out. So
she said, "Okay. Let's
00:40:59.39\00:41:01.79
take a walk down
the hall." We had the
00:41:01.92\00:41:04.93
posters mounted up
in our hall, so then
00:41:04.99\00:41:07.66
she's able to use
those as a tool to
00:41:07.73\00:41:09.96
enforce the calling,
so it's great. - Okay.
00:41:10.03\00:41:16.07
Wonderful. Great. -
Yeah, we're thrilled.
00:41:16.17\00:41:18.57
Those are the
kind- you look at the
00:41:18.67\00:41:20.01
picture of all
those kids. Those are the
00:41:20.04\00:41:21.58
7th and 8th grade
class from Greenville,
00:41:21.64\00:41:23.78
and they're being
exposed, and all of
00:41:23.88\00:41:26.05
a sudden, it's
cool again. That's a lot
00:41:26.11\00:41:29.55
of times in culture.
You want to make sure
00:41:29.62\00:41:32.89
that something is
being talked about.
00:41:32.95\00:41:34.29
All of a sudden,
people become aware
00:41:34.36\00:41:35.69
of it, they start
thinking about it...
00:41:35.72\00:41:37.53
To me, this is
simply a way to define how
00:41:37.59\00:41:42.06
I look at my
ministry- probably how you look
00:41:42.16\00:41:44.47
at your
ministry... Our job, Danny, is
00:41:44.57\00:41:47.97
simply to create a
moment for the Holy
00:41:48.07\00:41:50.71
Spirit to work.
That's our job. Any of us
00:41:50.81\00:41:53.68
as human beings, we
create a moment. Right
00:41:53.78\00:41:55.48
now, we're
creating a moment in this
00:41:55.54\00:41:56.95
production- this
television broadcast.
00:41:57.05\00:41:59.78
These posters are
creating a moment.
00:41:59.85\00:42:01.92
The curriculum
materials are creating a moment.
00:42:02.02\00:42:04.12
The Pathfinder
thing- the GLOW Tract
00:42:04.22\00:42:06.29
that's in process.
The GLOW Tract is putting
00:42:06.35\00:42:08.76
this together in a
package. That is all
00:42:08.86\00:42:11.29
designed to create
a moment. I gotta tell
00:42:11.36\00:42:13.46
you one more exciting
thing that's happening.
00:42:13.53\00:42:15.06
In addition to
getting these posters up in
00:42:15.16\00:42:19.13
every classroom,
Danny, we have had
00:42:19.23\00:42:21.97
donations made
available to us to
00:42:22.07\00:42:25.27
be able to offer
each classroom teacher
00:42:25.37\00:42:28.48
that applies for
it, Larry- they gotta
00:42:28.54\00:42:30.58
apply for this.
$100 for their classroom
00:42:30.65\00:42:33.88
to buy materials
to share this, because
00:42:33.95\00:42:36.89
it's one thing to
know about it, but
00:42:36.95\00:42:39.32
it's a whole other
thing to get the kids
00:42:39.42\00:42:41.02
to buy- maybe the
teacher will buy Steps
00:42:41.12\00:42:42.99
to Christ. Maybe
they'll buy GLOW Tracts.
00:42:43.09\00:42:44.43
Maybe they'll hand
out some 5x7 postcards.
00:42:44.46\00:42:47.36
What can we do-
Great Controversies!
00:42:47.43\00:42:49.96
We're going to be
able- for a teacher
00:42:50.03\00:42:52.90
that applies and
says, "We're going to spend
00:42:52.93\00:42:54.37
the money this way.
There's 2,850 classrooms
00:42:54.44\00:42:57.34
that if all of
them do that, that's a
00:42:57.44\00:42:59.57
significant chunk
of change, but we have
00:42:59.64\00:43:01.01
a donation
available. So, every classroom
00:43:01.08\00:43:03.95
teacher- I want to
remind you- it was in
00:43:04.08\00:43:05.45
the letter when
you got it. But I want
00:43:05.51\00:43:07.22
to remind you to
watch our website,
00:43:07.28\00:43:09.05
IntoAllTheWorld.com
for the details on that,
00:43:09.12\00:43:11.42
that you will be
able to apply to get $100
00:43:11.45\00:43:14.26
to buy materials
that your kids can
00:43:14.29\00:43:16.42
go out and share
this once they've got it
00:43:16.52\00:43:18.26
in their hearts. -
That's great. Let's
00:43:18.33\00:43:20.90
talk a little bit about
the pictures themselves.
00:43:21.00\00:43:24.23
- All right.
Whenever an idea comes...
00:43:24.30\00:43:28.30
Obviously because I
work with Nathan Greene,
00:43:28.40\00:43:31.47
a lot of times I get in on this
00:43:31.57\00:43:33.17
action. But it
just so happened that
00:43:33.27\00:43:35.14
we were already
involved in it, THEN
00:43:35.18\00:43:36.61
I said, "Well,
hey, what do we have
00:43:36.71\00:43:38.21
available?"
Nathan Greene is booked
00:43:38.31\00:43:39.75
out. Right now,
he's booked to 2024.
00:43:39.91\00:43:42.92
- Have mercy. -
We've got major projects.
00:43:43.02\00:43:45.09
He's finishing a
project right now
00:43:45.15\00:43:46.62
on the days of
Creation (which we'll
00:43:46.69\00:43:48.02
be talking about
again, I'm sure). That's an
00:43:48.06\00:43:49.42
awesome project.
Then, he goes to Loma
00:43:49.49\00:43:51.59
Linda University
project that we're
00:43:51.66\00:43:53.19
doing for the
brand new hospital; doing
00:43:53.29\00:43:54.76
a series of 12 healing miracles.
00:43:54.83\00:43:56.46
So, to be able
to say, "Nathan, can
00:43:56.53\00:43:57.87
you paint something
on the three angels'
00:43:57.90\00:43:59.30
messages for
this idea?" There's no
00:43:59.40\00:44:01.30
time. This is
too time-sensitive.
00:44:01.34\00:44:03.07
But it just so
happened that our good friend
00:44:03.17\00:44:05.67
Doug Batchelor in
1999 was holding a meeting
00:44:05.71\00:44:09.48
in New York City.
You remember that.
00:44:09.54\00:44:11.51
- Absolutely. We
showed it. - That's right.
00:44:11.61\00:44:13.62
You did. Well, at
that time, he called
00:44:13.72\00:44:15.78
me and said, "Can we create an
00:44:15.85\00:44:17.59
advertising
package? A handbill." So, the
00:44:17.65\00:44:20.66
art that you see
on these posters was
00:44:20.76\00:44:22.92
actually created originally for?
00:44:23.02\00:44:26.16
Doug Batchelor, and
I had it in the file.
00:44:26.23\00:44:28.76
We simply took it
and revised it. Nathan
00:44:28.90\00:44:32.97
didn't have a
time to touch it. So we
00:44:33.07\00:44:35.97
had- and again, I
call a digital artist
00:44:36.07\00:44:37.97
friend of mine-
top-notch guy. Lars
00:44:38.04\00:44:40.01
Justinen. I said,
"Lars, I need your
00:44:40.08\00:44:41.44
help." Well, Lars
just had a big project.
00:44:41.51\00:44:44.11
He said, "Why
didn't you call me last
00:44:44.21\00:44:45.55
week?" By the time
I finished talking to
00:44:45.58\00:44:47.72
him, I said, "Lars-
okay. If you're going
00:44:47.82\00:44:49.28
to give me to
somebody else, then I know you
00:44:49.35\00:44:51.45
know what needs to
be done, so you gotta
00:44:51.52\00:44:53.29
be sure
enticeable. I do know what
00:44:53.36\00:44:54.76
needs to be
done." - You're workin'
00:44:54.82\00:44:56.16
with some
top-notch people. Justin did
00:44:56.19\00:44:57.69
one of the- er,
Lars did one of my books,
00:44:57.76\00:45:00.76
The Forgotten Commandment.
He worked with those,
00:45:00.86\00:45:03.37
yeah. - Well, he
is excellent in that
00:45:03.43\00:45:05.73
arena. Nathan
is excellent in his
00:45:05.83\00:45:07.17
arena; Lars is excellent in his.
00:45:07.20\00:45:08.54
So Lars says,
"Okay. I'll do it. Send it
00:45:08.57\00:45:10.84
to me." So in three days, he's
00:45:10.91\00:45:13.14
taken one picture and revised it
00:45:13.27\00:45:16.68
digitally so I
could have a separate
00:45:16.75\00:45:18.25
first angel, a
separate second angel, a
00:45:18.31\00:45:20.02
separate third
angel... All of this came
00:45:20.08\00:45:22.12
together within three days. Now,
00:45:22.18\00:45:24.82
if anybody knows
anything about the
00:45:24.89\00:45:26.22
art world, that
doesn't happen. To
00:45:26.25\00:45:27.59
get into those schedules- but
00:45:27.62\00:45:28.96
Lars caught the vision, as well.
00:45:28.99\00:45:30.33
Then, my designer-
I call the designer
00:45:30.39\00:45:33.26
and say, "This is
what I want to make
00:45:33.36\00:45:34.70
a poster- it's
got to look this way
00:45:34.73\00:45:36.06
and it's going
to fit this." 24x36
00:45:36.10\00:45:38.63
was the size that
Larry and I talked
00:45:38.73\00:45:40.07
about that would
be standard frames-
00:45:40.10\00:45:41.50
cheap frames and
expensive frames.
00:45:41.54\00:45:42.87
All that came
together. Then, Mark Finley
00:45:42.90\00:45:45.71
was out of
country. He was in Greece,
00:45:45.77\00:45:50.31
actually, and he
got back on Wednesday
00:45:50.41\00:45:51.85
night. I knew he
was coming back on
00:45:51.95\00:45:53.42
Wednesday
night, and he calls me.
00:45:53.52\00:45:54.85
Mark and I have
been best friends
00:45:54.88\00:45:56.22
for years. He
called me as soon as he
00:45:56.25\00:45:57.59
got back and I said, "Mark, I've
00:45:57.62\00:45:58.95
got something I need
you to help me with."
00:45:58.99\00:46:00.32
Now, it's hard for
me to do that, because
00:46:00.42\00:46:02.12
he's my dear
friend, and he has so much
00:46:02.19\00:46:03.76
on his plate. But
I said, "We've talked
00:46:03.83\00:46:06.53
about this," and he
knew what we were kind
00:46:06.59\00:46:07.93
of doing. I said,
"Listen. We just want
00:46:07.96\00:46:09.90
you to sit down as
if you were telling
00:46:10.00\00:46:12.07
your 10-year-old
granddaughter, and
00:46:12.17\00:46:14.20
I want you to
write the copy that'll go
00:46:14.30\00:46:16.74
on each one of
these posters," and
00:46:16.81\00:46:18.14
I described what it
was. He said, "Okay,
00:46:18.24\00:46:19.87
I can do that." But
he said, "I won't be
00:46:19.94\00:46:22.11
able to do it
till Sunday." This was
00:46:22.21\00:46:23.68
Wednesday night.
I said, "Sunday'd
00:46:23.75\00:46:25.71
be great." Well,
I live on the West
00:46:25.81\00:46:28.08
Coast; he lives on
the East Coast. When I
00:46:28.18\00:46:30.22
get up on
Thursday morning, go to my
00:46:30.32\00:46:32.19
computer, and open
up my email, there it is
00:46:32.32\00:46:34.82
He's already written
it, and it's so good!
00:46:34.92\00:46:37.99
Now, a small
group of us went through
00:46:38.03\00:46:39.93
and edited with
Mark, and he did a couple
00:46:40.00\00:46:41.66
word changes to
get it just right. All
00:46:41.76\00:46:43.97
of this came
together within just a matter
00:46:44.07\00:46:46.37
of days. Then- I used to own a
00:46:46.47\00:46:49.97
printing company
(as you know)- Color
00:46:50.07\00:46:51.81
Press. We sold that,
it's gone. So, I don't
00:46:51.87\00:46:54.28
have the capability
to go, "I can do this
00:46:54.34\00:46:56.61
myself," like I
used to. So I called
00:46:56.71\00:46:58.91
Pacific Press, and
they said, "Yes. We'd love
00:46:58.98\00:47:01.35
to be a part of
this!" So, they happened
00:47:01.42\00:47:03.85
to have a
schedule on their big 40"
00:47:03.95\00:47:06.35
press, and we
were able to work that
00:47:06.42\00:47:08.82
out. They even
handled the production
00:47:08.89\00:47:10.96
process as well as
the mailing process.
00:47:10.99\00:47:13.60
So, all of this
just came- it was in
00:47:13.66\00:47:15.86
July, which is a
slow time for them
00:47:15.96\00:47:17.57
otherwise. All these
pieces happened, then
00:47:17.70\00:47:20.70
we go to the
ASI convention and I
00:47:20.77\00:47:22.14
have them with me.
We get on the broadcast
00:47:22.20\00:47:25.37
there which, immediately-
that's the first time
00:47:25.44\00:47:27.64
it ever happened
at ASI, Danny. You
00:47:27.71\00:47:29.38
didn't get to watch
this because when it
00:47:29.44\00:47:31.58
went off-air,
you didn't get to see
00:47:31.75\00:47:33.08
it. But after we
finished that program,
00:47:33.11\00:47:34.68
the first time ever
in the history of ASI,
00:47:34.75\00:47:37.15
we had almost 100
people rush the stage
00:47:37.22\00:47:39.69
to get up close
to see these pictures
00:47:39.79\00:47:42.66
and talk about
it. That's the first
00:47:42.76\00:47:44.09
time where the
homeschoolers came
00:47:44.13\00:47:45.56
up, Larry. I
hadn't even- this had
00:47:45.63\00:47:47.26
been moving so
fast that we hadn't had
00:47:47.33\00:47:49.23
time to think
about some of these
00:47:49.30\00:47:50.93
things, and
this lady says, "When
00:47:51.00\00:47:52.37
can we get them
for homeschools?"
00:47:52.43\00:47:53.77
I said, "Right now,
they're only available
00:47:53.80\00:47:55.14
for these
classrooms." I mean, we were
00:47:55.17\00:47:58.64
peddling hard to
get THAT done, but we
00:47:58.71\00:48:00.88
now started
thinking homeschools. Then,
00:48:00.94\00:48:02.64
when Larry tells me,
100,000 homeschoolers
00:48:02.71\00:48:05.68
in the Adventist church in North
00:48:05.78\00:48:07.12
America, "We've
got to help those guys
00:48:07.15\00:48:09.08
and give them
opportunity, as well."
00:48:09.15\00:48:11.82
So, all that
happened. Then the curriculum-
00:48:11.92\00:48:14.86
we start right
on the curriculum.
00:48:14.96\00:48:16.46
The first draft is
done; we're working on
00:48:16.52\00:48:18.03
refining that. The
GLOW Tract- I call Nelson
00:48:18.09\00:48:22.63
Ernst; say,
"Hey, would you guys be
00:48:22.66\00:48:24.53
interested?
Because we're going to want
00:48:24.63\00:48:26.07
people to hand
stuff out." They said,
00:48:26.17\00:48:27.97
"Yes! We'd love
do that." So, I have
00:48:28.04\00:48:29.37
made a deal where
they're going to be
00:48:29.40\00:48:30.91
able to put the
same art on a GLOW Tract
00:48:31.01\00:48:33.21
on the three angels'
messages, and that'll
00:48:33.27\00:48:35.84
be out by the end of
the year. A beautiful
00:48:35.94\00:48:38.01
little high- you
know, those people don't
00:48:38.11\00:48:39.75
realize it's
harder to write something
00:48:39.81\00:48:41.82
short than it is long,
and you're getting this
00:48:41.92\00:48:44.99
down to 1,200 words.
But, see, I'm thinking
00:48:45.09\00:48:47.22
of Kim and her classroom. I'm
00:48:47.32\00:48:49.59
thinking of Larry
and his classroom, and
00:48:49.69\00:48:51.46
thousands of others,
Larry, that these kids
00:48:51.53\00:48:54.76
can inexpensively-
and we're even going
00:48:54.86\00:48:57.63
to provide the
seed funds for them to
00:48:57.73\00:49:00.47
start to buy
these and hand them out
00:49:00.54\00:49:03.00
so that we're
actually doing like
00:49:03.07\00:49:04.47
what you're doing
with the music project;
00:49:04.54\00:49:06.07
like what
you're doing with other
00:49:06.17\00:49:07.51
projects that we're
helping to revitalize
00:49:07.54\00:49:09.71
this idea. I
think the best is yet to
00:49:09.81\00:49:12.95
come that people are
going to come forward
00:49:13.01\00:49:14.58
that God is going to
bring that'll say, "Hey!
00:49:14.65\00:49:18.09
Have you thought
about this?" And who knows?
00:49:18.19\00:49:21.29
This is not ours.
This is God's. We're
00:49:21.36\00:49:24.33
just humble instruments in his
00:49:24.43\00:49:25.99
hands. Who knows what
He'll make out of this?
00:49:26.09\00:49:28.13
- Amen. Our time
is really running low.
00:49:28.23\00:49:30.50
I think- did we
want to show a video of
00:49:30.60\00:49:32.13
Mark Finley? -
Yes, we do. Thank you.
00:49:32.20\00:49:33.94
- Let's hear from
Mark. - I've stood
00:49:34.00\00:49:37.77
on the great
platforms of the world in
00:49:37.87\00:49:40.18
over 100
countries, and I've seen the
00:49:40.24\00:49:43.45
power of the
three angels' messages
00:49:43.51\00:49:45.91
touch hearts and
change lives. Let me
00:49:46.01\00:49:50.15
tell you a story.
The Second World War
00:49:50.25\00:49:53.36
ended September
2, 1945. When the
00:49:53.46\00:49:58.99
Second World War
ended, there were
00:49:59.06\00:50:01.60
many Jewish
children whose parents had
00:50:01.70\00:50:06.10
been killed in
the Holocaust. These
00:50:06.17\00:50:09.57
children, during
the Second World War as
00:50:09.67\00:50:12.01
Jews, were taken
into Catholic orphanages.
00:50:12.07\00:50:14.71
So, with the end of
the Second World War,
00:50:14.81\00:50:17.91
many rabbis wanted
to recover the Jewish
00:50:18.01\00:50:22.18
children from the
Catholic orphanages.
00:50:22.28\00:50:24.25
When they went
there, the priest said, "We
00:50:24.32\00:50:27.02
have no Jewish children here."
00:50:27.12\00:50:28.52
The rabbis said,
"Well, what about
00:50:28.62\00:50:29.96
the names?" They
said, "Oh, those are
00:50:29.99\00:50:31.93
Polish names. We
can't tell the difference.
00:50:31.99\00:50:34.23
There's no
Jewish children here."
00:50:34.33\00:50:35.86
Rabbi Yosef
Kahaneman went to a Catholic
00:50:36.00\00:50:38.53
orphanage and was
turned away in the
00:50:38.63\00:50:40.64
morning. He went to
some of the American
00:50:40.74\00:50:43.71
soldiers who were
overseeing that area
00:50:43.81\00:50:46.91
and he said,
"Please, could you get me in
00:50:47.01\00:50:49.11
at least at
night?" So, they came back,
00:50:49.18\00:50:50.95
negotiated with
the priest, and Rabbi
00:50:51.01\00:50:53.45
Kahaneman was
allowed to walk through the
00:50:53.52\00:50:55.42
orphanage. As he
was walking through
00:50:55.48\00:50:57.75
the orphanage,
he began to sing in
00:50:57.82\00:51:00.52
Hebrew the Jewish
Shema. Deuteronomy
00:51:00.59\00:51:04.03
6:4, "The Lord
our God is one Lord."
00:51:04.09\00:51:07.50
As he began to
sing, a 5-year-old child
00:51:07.60\00:51:11.30
began to cry and
say, "Mama, Mama!"
00:51:11.37\00:51:14.60
A 9-year-old said, "Mama, Mama!"
00:51:14.70\00:51:17.21
You see, every
Jewish child knew the Shema.
00:51:17.34\00:51:21.88
They had been taught
it from their earliest
00:51:21.98\00:51:24.25
ages; it was part
of their DNA! And Rabbi
00:51:24.35\00:51:27.62
Kahaneman said,
"That's one of mine.
00:51:27.68\00:51:29.48
That's one of mine.
That's one of mine."
00:51:29.58\00:51:31.89
What's the
Adventist DNA? What's the
00:51:31.99\00:51:36.42
Adventist DNA? What
is it that should boil
00:51:36.52\00:51:40.33
the minds of our
children? That should
00:51:40.43\00:51:42.86
make us a unique people? It's a
00:51:42.93\00:51:46.10
message given. Revelation 14:6,
00:51:46.17\00:51:49.20
"I saw another
angel fly in the midst of
00:51:49.30\00:51:50.87
heaven, having
the everlasting gospel
00:51:50.94\00:51:53.17
to go to the
ends of the earth, to
00:51:53.27\00:51:55.24
every nation,
kindred, tongue, and people,
00:51:55.34\00:51:57.11
saying with a
loud voice, 'Fear God
00:51:57.21\00:51:59.55
and give glory
to Him, for the hour
00:51:59.65\00:52:01.88
of His judgment
is come.'" Imagine,
00:52:01.98\00:52:03.82
every
Seventh-Day Adventist young
00:52:03.89\00:52:06.25
person, graduating
from an Adventist school-
00:52:06.32\00:52:09.59
8th grade,
academy, college-coming out
00:52:09.69\00:52:12.69
with a passion
for mission; a passion
00:52:12.79\00:52:15.23
to share the three
angels' messages...
00:52:15.33\00:52:17.57
That's what this
project is all about.
00:52:17.63\00:52:20.74
- Amen. [audience applauds]
00:52:20.84\00:52:26.41
- Wow. That's
exciting. In the DNA.
00:52:26.64\00:52:29.44
What's in our
DNA? That's what it's
00:52:29.54\00:52:31.75
all about. What we
want to do- we want
00:52:31.81\00:52:33.28
to put an
address up on the screen
00:52:33.38\00:52:34.72
right now so
that you may contact
00:52:34.78\00:52:36.89
Dan and see how
you may get your own
00:52:36.99\00:52:39.05
material. - We hope you'll
00:52:39.15\00:52:43.09
want to participate
in the Three Angels'
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Messages project by
helping to make these
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posters, as well as
the two-week curriculum
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with lesson plans
and study materials
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available to every
Seventh-Day Adventist
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classroom. Visit their website,
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IntoAllTheWorld.com
to find out more.
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That website, again,
is IntoAllTheWorld.com
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You may also want to
call them toll-free at
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(800) 487-4278, or write to Hart
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Research Post
Office Box 2377, Fallbrook,
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California, 92088.
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