I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and
welcome to another 3ABN
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Today program. Thank
you for joining us as
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you do each and
every day. Thank you for
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your love and
your prayers and your
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financial support
of 3ABN as we endeavor
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to take this great
gospel of the kingdom
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into all the
world. I may be getting
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old, but I'll tell
you what- I've never
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been more
excited about the gospel,
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about 3ABN, about
the work, the mission
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of the church, of
3ABN, than I am right now.
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- Amen. - So, I
praise God for the
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opportunity to be
living in the closing
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moments of
Earth's history. Today, if
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you're a
Christian, we want you to
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take this
seriously. We want you to go
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to God and say,
"Lord, what would
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you have me to do?"
If you're not, today
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is a day of
salvation, because I promise
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you, you won't
find peace and joy and
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happiness until
you accept Jesus Christ
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into your life as
Lord and Savior of
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your life. That
peace is an amazing thing,
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and you can get
it. So today, you can
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call us. We have
people who'd love
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to pray with you
if you need somebody
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to pray with
you. I'm here with my
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wife Yvonne.
Yvonne, we're going to have
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a great program today
in the Lord. - We are!
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I'm so excited. I
love our guest. He's
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family to us, and
this is such a blessing.
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- Pastor Wintley
Phipps, it's good to have
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you here today. -
Always a joy to be
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with you, and we
love you both and
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we've been praying
for you. I'm so glad
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to be on the program
today. - Thank you so
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much. Founder and
CEO of US Dream Academy.
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A lot of
people- they know you as
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a singer, and some
don't know about the
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Dream Academy. We
could speak about it
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for just a little
bit, 'cause it's a
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great cause- a
work that you're doing.
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But today, we're here-
we're actually debuting,
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if I can use that
word, a brand-new-
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I want to say
album, but that's way past.
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Albums dates its
way back. I used to
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say 'record.' "Play
the record," you know?
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Now, I see that-
I just saw recently,
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they're bringing
records back. Now,
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young people want
records so they can
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have records again,
'cause they think, "Wow,
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these antiques is
pretty neat." [laughter]
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Today, you have a
brand-new project.
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We're looking forward
to it. You're entitling
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it, "Glorious
Church." Before we get into
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this too much, we're
going to show some of
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the songs he's
going to be singing for us
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here a bit. Tell us
a little bit about the
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Dream Academy. We
want to talk a little
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bit about Wintley,
your past, and your
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mission for the
future. - Sure. Well, the
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Dream Academy is a
ministry that brings
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tutoring and mentoring
after school in the name
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of Christ to
children whose parents are
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incarcerated,
and children falling
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behind in school.
We've been doing it
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for 20 years now
(which is a miracle
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all by itself).
We're just praising God.
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We focus on
giving the kids a snack
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after school,
homework help; we give them
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an opportunity to
catch a vision of what
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they're dreaming
of inside. If a kid
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wants to be a
teacher, we want them to see
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what that's
like-or if she wants to be
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a doctor, we want
her to see what that's
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like. Then, we focus
on building character,
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because at the end
of the day, character
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is the most
important thing that we have.
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It's more important
than the money we make,
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it's more important
than the accomplishments
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we have. - That
is so true. There's a
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book that I read
about how children succeed.
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The name of the book
is How Children Succeed,
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and he was saying-
the author was saying-
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that it's not just
about reading, writing,
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and arithmetic. It's
about character-building.
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- Absolutely. - It's
about discipline. It's
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about stick-to-itiveness.
It's about integrity.
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It sounds like
that's what a focus is
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with the Dream
Academy. - Yes! And I've found
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God's divine plan-
what the servant of
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God calls-God's divine
plan for the development
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of Christian character.
It's in 2 Peter 1:5-7.
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God says, "There
are 8 dimensions of
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character. I want
you to have-want all of
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my children to
have- strong faith, values
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or virtue or moral
integrity, a love of
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knowledge and learning,
self-control, patience,
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a respect for what
is sacred or holiness-
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a respect for what
is holy-kindness, and
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love. Those 8
dimensions, what we focus on,
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because it's God's
divine plan-for the
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development of
character. For example,
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patience. The
children who learn patience are
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the ones who go on to
be the most successful.
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Why? I heard a man
say once, "I've seen
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impatience," he said,
"destroy more talented
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people than
anything else." That's why
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you get into things
that you shouldn't get
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into before you
should get into them. That's
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what teenage pregnancy's
all about; that's what
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trying things-
learn to be patient, and
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it helps. - Deferred
gratification. - That's
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correct. - Right?
They have research
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studies that show
that children who can
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defer gratification...
The question was
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asked, "Do you
want these apples now?"
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I don't remember
what the thing was. "Now?
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Or can you wait
for 20 more minutes and
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get 2 apples?" It
was something like that,
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and the children
who could wait are the
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children who
later became the most
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successful. - Absolutely.
Character's important.
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- Yeah. It is,
truly. - Absolutely. Well,
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we're so thankful
for the work that you're
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doing there. You are
known around the world
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as a singer, speaker,
you're still a pastor,
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so I don't know how
he does it all, but...
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- I know! He's
always on a plane! He and
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Linda-they're
always riding a plane. - I
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started to say I
thought I've traveled
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a lot over the
years, but he definitely
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travels more than I
have. Literally, you've
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been on a plane for,
sometimes, several times
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a week for 30+
years. - And you have to
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have a church that
loves you and a church
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that supports you.
I've been pastoring my
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church for 16
years. - Oh, wow. - So,
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just to be able to
say that is a testament
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of blessing. I pastored the Palm
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Bay Seventh-Day
Adventist church in
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Palm Bay, Florida,
and I've got members
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who, wherever I am
in the world, I know
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they're praying for
me. Do you know what
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that's like? To know
that you have members
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who see you not
just as the pastor of the
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Palm Bay church,
or of the church, but
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the pastor FROM
the church to the rest
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of the world.
It's a beautiful thing.
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I love them, and I
think they love me, too.
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- What I'd like to
do- he's going to be doing
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a few songs for
us, so we don't have a
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lot of time to
talk. Give us the short
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version of how a
little boy from Trinidad,
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growing up, ends up
singing before presidents-
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around the world-
kings and queens and
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presidents, and
many presidents here in
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the United States
of America. How do you
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get from that
point, playing in the sand,
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watching
airplanes take off, to being
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now literally
known for singing around
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the world the
gospel music? - Well, I had
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an aunt that came
by to visit me one day,
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and she was
looking at the pictures of
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me and the 6
presidents of the United States
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and different
magazine covers... She said,
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"I want to tell
you something," so we
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sat down. She
said, "When your father,
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my brother- we had
a sister named Pearl.
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A couple years
before you were born, 1953,
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Pearl died while
trying to deal with an
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unwanted
pregnancy situation. We were
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broken. The family
was just devastated.
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When your mother became pregnant
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with you, there
were some who were urging
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her that she
needed to do the same, but
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we gathered around
and said, 'Absolutely
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not.' We've been
through too much.
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Your mother's
mother paid a visit to your
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father's mother.
They closed the door,
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they came together,
and they made a pact
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that they were
going to pray for the life
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of this child.
The prayer that they
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covenanted-that
they would pray-was,
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"Lord, make this
child's life a blessing
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to the world." So,
I would like to think
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that the voice God gave
me, the opportunities...
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All of those
wonderful opportunities that
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I've had in
life... But I've got to
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understand and
remember that I am
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living the answer to
Grandmother's prayers.
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The thing that also
moved me was because
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my aunt Pearl
died, I was able to live.
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God saw my
situation and decided that He
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would place in
my throat something
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unique in the
world. I praise Him for it.
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I don't deserve it.
I look back now after
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40+ years of only
singing for the glory
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of God. That was my
way of saying, "Thank
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you, Lord. Thank
You for sparing my life,
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thank You for
giving me an opportunity
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to be a candidate
for the kingdom of
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heaven, thank You
for allowing me not just
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to live on Earth,
but because of the
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grace of Jesus, I
can live forever." I
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hope that answers your
question...in a different
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way, but... -
It does. One of the
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things that I
most appreciate about
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Wintley, and what
I appreciate about
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you- I don't just
throw out compliments
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all the time. One
of the things that
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I believe it's why
God has blessed Him
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so abundantly is
that I have noticed-
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and known you a
long time-and I've
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noticed over the
years when people
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get into the arenas
that you are, that you
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sing in before
congressmen, senators,
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presidents, and
again, kings and queens
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around the world,
it seems-and I don't
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want to say most,
but- many compromise
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the integrity of
their music, because when
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you're singing, and
some of the folk you
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sing for are very
well-known-in secular
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world, as well.
So, people get that-
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I saw it way back
in Elvis' day when
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a lot of the
gospel groups he had sing
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with him instead
of them helping him to
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be converted,
they all ended up-many
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of those, I
should say; not all-many
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of those went
the way of the world,
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but I've seen that you've stayed
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focused on your
music. You haven't lost
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sight of the words,
the styles of music,
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the communication,
and that's apparently-
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I wouldn't say
it's been an easy thing
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for you to do, but
I believe that's why
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God's blessed
you. We're going to be
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doing some of the
songs here from the new
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project, and it will
say exactly what I've
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been saying.
After all these years,
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you're still
holding fast to what you
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know to be truth
and integrity. - Well,
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thank you. It's
very simple, really. When
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I walk out or
whenever I sing, Jesus is on
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the front row.
What I'm doing-whatever
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I'm doing-is for
Him first. And so, you
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have to do it with
the greatest integrity
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that you can,
your heart has to be as
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right as it could
be, because you're
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standing before
your Savior, the King of
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the universe... So,
Jesus is on the front
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row. If other
people are blessed, praise
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God; but really,
as Ellen White says,
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the purpose of
music is to glorify God.
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That's the
purpose of it. This past
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week, I had the
opportunity to sing
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at the memorial
service for a great
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American by the
name of Rich DeVos, who's
00:14:14.38\00:14:18.32
the founder of
Amway and also owned the
00:14:18.42\00:14:23.56
Orlando Magic basketball
team. I was so humbled
00:14:23.63\00:14:31.47
that this man
wanted me to be the only
00:14:31.60\00:14:36.34
singer at his
memorial service and chose the
00:14:36.44\00:14:41.81
songs. He chose
"I'd Rather Have Jesus"
00:14:41.91\00:14:46.78
than silver or
gold... Here's a billionaire
00:14:46.88\00:14:51.09
saying, "I'd
rather have Jesus than
00:14:51.19\00:14:55.46
silver or gold;
I'd rather be His than
00:14:55.52\00:14:58.06
have riches
untold." He also chose "He
00:14:58.16\00:15:02.20
Touched Me," and
that's why this CD
00:15:02.26\00:15:06.74
that we've done
is so special for me,
00:15:06.77\00:15:09.64
because we're doing
a lot of the songs that
00:15:09.74\00:15:11.77
are the soundtrack
of people's faith. It's
00:15:11.84\00:15:16.28
the soundtrack of
growing in the Lord,
00:15:16.34\00:15:20.22
you know? "Shall We
Gather at the River,"
00:15:20.25\00:15:22.05
"At the Cross,"
"Jesus Is Coming Again..."
00:15:22.18\00:15:25.89
- "Softly and Tenderly."
- "Jesus Paid It All..."
00:15:26.02\00:15:31.03
All of those songs
that are really the
00:15:31.09\00:15:33.33
soundtrack of
our faith and growing
00:15:33.40\00:15:36.77
in the Lord. And
of course, the CD is
00:15:36.83\00:15:39.40
entitled, "Glorious
Church." It's titled
00:15:39.47\00:15:43.00
after a song that
you commissioned, and I
00:15:43.10\00:15:48.41
felt very honored
that you asked me to do
00:15:48.51\00:15:52.85
that song,
"Glorious Church." - It was
00:15:52.95\00:15:54.68
written for you by
Lanny Wolfe. - It was
00:15:54.75\00:15:56.08
literally written for
me... All right! Well.
00:15:56.12\00:15:58.69
It is an amazing
song that captures,
00:15:58.79\00:16:06.49
prophetically,
where we are, but also the
00:16:06.59\00:16:12.50
triumph of the
church of God in the end.
00:16:12.57\00:16:15.54
"Glorious Church"
is just one of those
00:16:18.07\00:16:19.57
very unique songs.
The lyrics, the message,
00:16:19.71\00:16:24.25
and the music and
the orchestration...but
00:16:24.35\00:16:27.15
it captures that
Babylon is spiritual
00:16:27.22\00:16:33.59
confusion, it is
the union of church and
00:16:33.66\00:16:38.19
state, it's the
church embracing state power
00:16:38.29\00:16:45.30
and thinking that
they're invincible,
00:16:45.43\00:16:47.64
when the truth of
the matter is, it's a
00:16:47.70\00:16:51.44
fallen church. When
you ally with Babylon...
00:16:51.51\00:16:54.41
You know, you and
I have always been
00:16:54.51\00:16:58.15
around people who
try to pull people out
00:16:58.25\00:17:02.05
of the church.
They can always find
00:17:02.15\00:17:07.09
something wrong
with the church. I told
00:17:07.19\00:17:09.72
a story the
other day of a man who
00:17:09.82\00:17:12.69
said to a pastor,
"I'm not coming to
00:17:12.76\00:17:14.10
your church
because you have a lady by
00:17:14.13\00:17:16.10
the name of
Sister Brunson, and she's
00:17:16.16\00:17:17.87
this, and you
have another man by the
00:17:18.00\00:17:20.07
name of Mr.
Johnson; he's that." I'm just
00:17:20.14\00:17:22.94
as good as they
are. So, the pastor, a
00:17:23.00\00:17:27.01
couple weeks
later, came to the farmer
00:17:27.08\00:17:29.81
and said, "I'd
like to buy a pig from
00:17:29.88\00:17:32.31
you." He said,
"Okay." He brought out his
00:17:32.38\00:17:36.22
best pig. He
said, "No, no, no, no. I
00:17:36.25\00:17:39.45
want that pig over
there." He said, "No!
00:17:39.55\00:17:41.76
You don't want to
buy THAT one! That's
00:17:41.82\00:17:43.36
the worst pig I
got!" He said, "Well, how
00:17:43.43\00:17:45.26
would you feel if I
buy that pig..." No,
00:17:45.33\00:17:48.50
he actually bought
the pig! He said, "Okay,
00:17:48.60\00:17:50.53
you know what I'm
going to do? I want
00:17:50.63\00:17:51.97
to go throughout the
county and tell people
00:17:52.07\00:17:54.14
this is kind of pigs
you produce." [laughter]
00:17:54.20\00:17:58.21
Sometimes, we
pick out a person- the
00:17:58.31\00:18:02.91
Bible says the wheat
and tares grow together.
00:18:02.98\00:18:04.38
We pick out the tares and go and
00:18:04.45\00:18:06.41
say, "This is what
the wheat over there
00:18:06.48\00:18:08.38
looks like." You
know what I mean? So, one
00:18:08.45\00:18:12.72
of the things
about the church that's
00:18:12.79\00:18:14.69
really, really
important is that Babylon is a
00:18:14.79\00:18:20.23
mixture of a
confusion and the church state
00:18:20.33\00:18:25.00
of power, but the
Lord reminds us in
00:18:25.10\00:18:28.54
this song,
"Glorious Church," that His
00:18:28.67\00:18:31.54
church will triumph
in the end. - You know,
00:18:31.64\00:18:34.61
Yvonne, this was
such a great set-up.
00:18:34.68\00:18:36.41
I was going to have
him do this one last,
00:18:36.51\00:18:38.68
but I think what
we'll do is- we actually-
00:18:38.81\00:18:41.62
you sang it at
camp meeting and it's on
00:18:41.72\00:18:45.05
a DVD. I think
we'd like to have you do
00:18:45.12\00:18:48.02
that. Now, didn't you
co-write that song with
00:18:48.09\00:18:50.26
Lanny Wolfe? -
Yes. - Aw! Awesome!
00:18:50.36\00:18:53.16
- She wrote out the
main points. Basically,
00:18:53.23\00:18:56.93
she co-writes with
him like I do, I think.
00:18:57.03\00:18:59.17
Like, "Lanny, could
you really write about
00:18:59.23\00:19:01.04
this subject or
talk about Babylon? Can
00:19:01.14\00:19:03.64
you do this?" Put
your names on there as
00:19:03.74\00:19:05.67
a co-writer, too.
We're going to go to
00:19:05.81\00:19:09.04
that, and then
we're going to come back.
00:19:09.11\00:19:10.48
Hopefully, we'll
have time for you to do
00:19:10.58\00:19:11.91
about two or three
more songs, at least;
00:19:11.95\00:19:13.95
we'll talk about
those. This is the song,
00:19:14.05\00:19:16.55
"Glorious Church."
00:19:16.62\00:19:18.95
[audience applauds]
00:26:26.92\00:26:35.49
- Amen. Praise the
Lord. - That song is
00:26:35.79\00:26:39.09
just... The
anointing is on that song. Your
00:26:39.19\00:26:46.70
delivery of the song
is just so- I remember
00:26:46.74\00:26:50.94
when we were in
the studio, and he was
00:26:51.04\00:26:53.11
singing it. I was
just feeling like, "Oh,
00:26:53.17\00:26:56.14
this is just amazing."
- I talked to Lanny Wolfe
00:26:56.21\00:27:00.25
yesterday, the
writer, and he said to me,
00:27:00.35\00:27:03.75
"I was just
listening again to the songs,"
00:27:03.82\00:27:06.89
and these are
Lanny's words. "No one could
00:27:06.92\00:27:10.26
deliver 'Glorious
Church' like Wintley
00:27:10.36\00:27:13.46
Phipps did." He said
this song was written
00:27:13.56\00:27:17.47
literally for him to
deliver it in the way
00:27:17.60\00:27:20.84
that you did. We
give God the credit, but
00:27:20.87\00:27:22.50
He blessed you with
that ability. I'm glad
00:27:22.57\00:27:25.81
that you're using
it for Him. Now, we
00:27:25.84\00:27:28.64
want to go to
the next song. We'll
00:27:28.71\00:27:30.15
have you get
ready in a moment to do
00:27:30.25\00:27:31.58
that. Yvonne,
this is one of your-
00:27:31.61\00:27:34.02
tell us what he's
getting ready to tell
00:27:34.05\00:27:35.38
us a little about
this song. - Listen.
00:27:35.45\00:27:37.92
I listen to this
song over and over
00:27:37.99\00:27:42.06
and over again. One
day, I just had to call
00:27:42.12\00:27:44.46
brother Pastor Wintley and say,
00:27:44.56\00:27:46.70
"This song is
just blessing me." I
00:27:46.73\00:27:49.00
made him promise
that if I go to sleep
00:27:49.06\00:27:54.54
before the Lord
comes that he will come and
00:27:54.60\00:27:56.81
sing this song for
my memorial. This song
00:27:56.87\00:27:59.71
is just so
beautiful. - And you know what
00:27:59.77\00:28:01.71
I told him; I
said, "You'll outlive all
00:28:01.78\00:28:03.14
of us." - Well, I
don't know about that.
00:28:03.21\00:28:06.18
Oh, this song
blesses me. When my daddy
00:28:06.28\00:28:09.12
was sick, I
played it for him in the
00:28:09.18\00:28:12.35
nursing home. This
song is just a beautiful,
00:28:12.42\00:28:16.22
beautiful song. It
ministers to my spirit.
00:28:16.26\00:28:19.26
- Great. Right now,
you'll be blessed as
00:28:19.33\00:28:21.70
he sings, "No Need to Fear."
00:28:21.76\00:28:24.43
No need to fear when
times of trouble come
00:28:50.16\00:28:58.23
Oppression storm
beats at your door
00:28:58.33\00:29:07.88
No need to fear
00:29:08.28\00:29:14.48
No need to fear
though evil seems so strong
00:29:17.15\00:29:26.03
Their pride and
power is not for long
00:29:26.19\00:29:34.80
Be still, my soul
00:29:34.90\00:29:40.58
And trust in God
00:29:40.88\00:29:44.71
And place your life
00:29:45.15\00:29:49.62
Into His hands
00:29:49.78\00:29:53.56
For He will
never, never fail you
00:29:53.99\00:30:03.03
And in the
morning, you'll see His face
00:30:03.47\00:30:11.84
No need to fear...
00:30:12.27\00:30:16.51
Don't fear
00:30:17.01\00:30:24.69
No need to fear
The envy and the scorn
00:30:30.69\00:30:39.30
Of those who
boast in what they own
00:30:39.40\00:30:48.21
No need to fear
00:30:48.88\00:30:54.58
For what remains when
life's brief day is done
00:30:55.18\00:31:03.63
Their glories are a setting sun
00:31:04.03\00:31:13.34
But as for me, of this, I'm sure
00:31:13.94\00:31:22.04
God will redeem
00:31:22.14\00:31:27.18
My soul from death
00:31:27.65\00:31:31.49
And He will never, never fail me
00:31:31.79\00:31:40.96
And in the
morning, I'll see His face
00:31:41.33\00:31:51.07
And He will never fail you
00:32:12.79\00:32:21.87
No one can tell
you from His love
00:32:22.00\00:32:31.05
And He will never forsake you
00:32:31.11\00:32:40.62
And in the morning
00:32:40.92\00:32:46.03
You'll see His face
00:32:46.13\00:32:51.83
No need to fear
00:32:52.97\00:32:58.64
Don't fear
00:33:00.68\00:33:10.29
- Amen. You happy
now? - You know what?
00:33:20.50\00:33:23.23
I'm telling you!
That song just ministers
00:33:23.33\00:33:26.47
so much to me. - Absolutely. Why
00:33:26.53\00:33:29.60
don't you give us,
while he's coming back
00:33:29.67\00:33:31.47
here, sitting
down, give us a list of
00:33:31.54\00:33:33.54
some of the songs.
- Sure, sure. Okay,
00:33:33.58\00:33:35.98
"Glorious Church,"
"At the Cross," "Shall
00:33:36.08\00:33:39.05
We Gather at the
River," "In Christ
00:33:39.11\00:33:41.08
Alone," "Crown
Him with Many Crowns,"
00:33:41.22\00:33:44.62
"Jesus Paid It All,"
"Softly and Tenderly,"
00:33:44.69\00:33:47.69
"Old Rugged Cross,"
"This Is My Father's
00:33:47.79\00:33:50.69
World," "Jesus Is
Coming Again," and
00:33:50.79\00:33:53.86
"No Need to Fear."
- All right. - What
00:33:53.96\00:33:56.60
beautiful songs!
- Aren't they? And
00:33:56.70\00:33:58.67
the orchestrations
and all that's beautiful,
00:33:58.77\00:34:01.70
also. Pastor Phipps,
when you do something,
00:34:01.77\00:34:06.57
you set your
mind to it. You do it
00:34:06.68\00:34:08.24
quickly. It
wasn't that long ago; it
00:34:08.31\00:34:10.75
seemed like a few
days, but I guess it's
00:34:10.85\00:34:12.51
been a month or
two- a couple months ago
00:34:12.58\00:34:14.62
that he called me
and said, "Hey, I'm
00:34:14.68\00:34:16.89
thinking about
doing this new project."
00:34:16.99\00:34:19.12
Invited him to do
it here, put his vocals
00:34:19.19\00:34:21.59
on here, and it was like
no time. Really cool. When
00:34:21.69\00:34:27.40
I do something like
that, it takes me forever
00:34:27.50\00:34:29.00
to go in. He's
like, "Well, we've got
00:34:29.10\00:34:30.53
it all done.
We're ready now. We're
00:34:30.63\00:34:32.00
ready to mix it," and
I'm like... "You didn't
00:34:32.10\00:34:34.00
even have time-
are you kidding me?"
00:34:34.10\00:34:36.04
That's what
happens when you don't have
00:34:36.14\00:34:38.14
to stop, make
fixes; you have that voice
00:34:38.24\00:34:40.04
and it keeps going.
Absolutely incredible.
00:34:40.14\00:34:44.28
Brand-new project
by Pastor Phipps. We'll
00:34:44.38\00:34:46.82
tell you in a
little bit how you may
00:34:46.92\00:34:48.25
get it; but right
now, we want to go to
00:34:48.35\00:34:50.25
the next song. Tell
us a little bit about
00:34:50.35\00:34:52.12
"Coming Again." -
Well, I wrote this song
00:34:52.22\00:34:55.39
and placed at the
end of it the great hymn,
00:34:55.49\00:34:58.59
"Jesus Is Coming
Again." The first part of it
00:34:58.66\00:35:01.73
tells- the lyric,
actually, is an angel
00:35:01.83\00:35:06.77
singing. The
angel is singing to the
00:35:06.87\00:35:10.21
disciples. - And
you wrote this. - Yes, I
00:35:10.31\00:35:12.94
wrote the first
part. And the angel says,
00:35:13.04\00:35:15.14
"Why stand ye
gazing there up into the
00:35:15.24\00:35:17.78
sky? Be not discouraged.
We have brought good
00:35:17.85\00:35:21.12
news. The same
Jesus that you see going
00:35:21.15\00:35:24.52
away, He will come
again, and like manna."
00:35:24.62\00:35:27.36
Then we put the
triumphant hymn at
00:35:27.46\00:35:30.16
the end of it,
"Lift up the trumpet and
00:35:30.23\00:35:31.56
loud let it sing.
Jesus is coming again."
00:35:31.63\00:35:33.60
It's been a blessing
to be able to put that
00:35:35.40\00:35:38.87
perspective. I
never see anybody talk
00:35:38.97\00:35:45.27
about the coming
of Christ from the
00:35:45.37\00:35:47.91
perspective of
the angels ministering
00:35:48.01\00:35:52.31
to the
disciples, giving them this
00:35:52.41\00:35:56.18
great, great news
that He's coming again.
00:35:56.25\00:35:58.82
- Absolutely.
Well, we're going to have
00:35:58.92\00:36:01.32
to put on his
list of accomplishments
00:36:01.36\00:36:03.56
now-songwriter, too. [laughter]
00:36:03.66\00:36:06.09
Have you written other songs?
00:36:06.19\00:36:07.50
- Oh, yes. I've written hundreds
00:36:07.66\00:36:09.80
of songs. Matter
of fact- this has been
00:36:09.86\00:36:11.93
an interesting experience. I got
00:36:12.00\00:36:14.04
a call one day from,
of all people, Aretha
00:36:14.14\00:36:17.01
Franklin. She said
if I would come and
00:36:17.11\00:36:21.04
spend the
afternoon with her. I said,
00:36:21.11\00:36:22.44
"Sure!" I love
ministering to people
00:36:22.48\00:36:25.15
no matter where,
you know? So I went,
00:36:25.21\00:36:26.85
and she sat
down at the piano and
00:36:26.92\00:36:30.19
started playing
songs that I had written
00:36:30.29\00:36:34.29
that she had heard.
She was singing them
00:36:34.39\00:36:37.86
back to me. My,
what an experience. She
00:36:37.93\00:36:41.80
said, "Remember
me when you come-"
00:36:41.90\00:36:45.67
that's another
song I wrote from the
00:36:45.73\00:36:48.04
perspective of
the thief on the cross
00:36:48.10\00:36:49.74
saying, "Lord,
remember me when You come into
00:36:49.84\00:36:52.87
Your kingdom," and
she was singing that
00:36:52.94\00:36:54.58
to me! So, yes;
I've written many songs
00:36:54.68\00:36:58.75
through the years.
This song, with "Coming
00:36:58.85\00:37:02.78
Again" on the end of
it, it's one of them.
00:37:02.85\00:37:04.75
- Well, what
happened is, I recognize some
00:37:04.82\00:37:06.65
of those, but I
didn't know you wrote them.
00:37:06.79\00:37:08.52
- Yeah! I didn't
know he wrote "Remember
00:37:08.59\00:37:10.46
Me!" - So, he's
not saying, "Hey, look
00:37:10.56\00:37:12.29
what I wrote!" or
"Look what I did!"
00:37:12.36\00:37:13.83
He sings them, and
I'm like, "Wow, those
00:37:13.93\00:37:15.33
are beautiful
songs." But I heard this one,
00:37:15.43\00:37:17.73
the "Coming Again."
It's a fabulous song.
00:37:17.80\00:37:20.94
Just was
surprised that you wrote it;
00:37:21.00\00:37:23.71
not that you
couldn't, but you didn't even
00:37:23.74\00:37:26.04
mention, "Well,
hey, I wrote this song."
00:37:26.11\00:37:28.38
Anyway, we want
you to do it in just a
00:37:28.48\00:37:31.51
moment, so,
again- it's a brand-new
00:37:31.61\00:37:33.31
project (if you're
just joining us), and
00:37:33.42\00:37:35.15
it's entitled
"Glorious Church." Right now,
00:37:35.25\00:37:38.89
Wintley' s going
to be singing-I think
00:37:38.99\00:37:40.89
it's a beautiful
song- "Coming Again."
00:37:40.96\00:37:43.83
Why stand ye gazing
there up into the sky?
00:38:20.13\00:38:29.90
Be not discouraged
00:38:31.21\00:38:36.44
For we have brought good news
00:38:37.05\00:38:42.35
This same Jesus
whom we do magnify
00:38:43.39\00:38:53.26
Soon, He will come
again for all to glorify
00:38:53.40\00:39:03.30
He is coming again
00:39:07.31\00:39:13.65
He is coming again
00:39:14.08\00:39:20.79
Son of the Father
00:39:21.22\00:39:26.59
He is coming again
00:39:26.96\00:39:32.60
On Calvary, He
claimed my destiny
00:39:32.90\00:39:38.27
Lord, I humble myself
00:39:38.61\00:39:46.55
To Thee
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Lord, I want to see Your face
00:39:58.69\00:40:03.83
Just help me be strong
00:40:04.30\00:40:10.07
I know You will return
00:40:11.27\00:40:16.61
I know it won't be long
00:40:16.95\00:40:22.88
He is coming again
00:40:23.65\00:40:29.86
He is coming again
00:40:29.99\00:40:36.40
Son of the Father
00:40:36.87\00:40:42.07
He is coming again
00:40:42.30\00:40:47.84
On calvary, He
claimed my destiny
00:40:48.21\00:40:53.85
Lord, I humble myself
00:40:54.15\00:41:02.92
To Thee
00:41:04.33\00:41:09.26
Lift up the trumpet
and loud let it ring
00:41:09.60\00:41:14.00
Jesus is coming again
00:41:14.34\00:41:18.57
Cheer up ye pilgrims
00:41:18.94\00:41:20.98
Be joyful and sing
00:41:21.08\00:41:23.31
Jesus is coming again
00:41:23.61\00:41:27.92
Coming again, coming again
00:41:28.18\00:41:32.29
Jesus is coming again
00:41:32.72\00:41:36.69
Coming again, coming again
00:41:36.83\00:41:41.40
Jesus is coming again
00:41:41.50\00:41:50.84
- Amen. - Wow.
Isn't it great, the way it
00:41:52.61\00:41:54.88
tied those two
songs together? I mean,
00:41:54.98\00:41:57.95
that's just... What a
blessing. - I'm still-
00:41:58.01\00:42:01.55
I hadn't realized
some of these songs
00:42:01.65\00:42:03.25
that, because
he's never really- I've
00:42:03.28\00:42:05.82
known him for
years, but he doesn't say,
00:42:05.89\00:42:07.56
"Hey, I wrote this
song; I wrote that." I know
00:42:07.59\00:42:09.56
those songs, I just
didn't really look to
00:42:09.62\00:42:11.53
see who wrote
them. My hats off again.
00:42:11.59\00:42:14.36
He's always doing
something, bringing
00:42:14.46\00:42:16.67
us something you
didn't know before
00:42:16.73\00:42:18.37
after all these
years. Wintley, it's great
00:42:18.47\00:42:21.34
having you here
today, and I know
00:42:21.44\00:42:23.97
that it's a
program; we could literally
00:42:24.07\00:42:27.04
talk to you for
hours-some of your
00:42:27.14\00:42:29.08
experiences. And
I know, because he
00:42:29.11\00:42:31.41
doesn't just
name-drop. He's able to minister
00:42:31.51\00:42:35.35
to so many of
these people that many of
00:42:35.48\00:42:37.82
us couldn't do,
and God's opened that
00:42:37.89\00:42:40.02
door. That's a door. You've gone
00:42:40.12\00:42:43.12
through it,
again, with integrity,
00:42:43.22\00:42:45.36
without compromising.
You go through, and
00:42:45.46\00:42:48.23
when God opens
that door, you minister
00:42:48.33\00:42:50.20
to these folk
because everybody is a soul.
00:42:50.30\00:42:53.80
No soul's more
important than the others, but
00:42:53.87\00:42:56.37
some of us can
reach people here and some
00:42:56.47\00:42:58.81
reach there. God
has opened up the door
00:42:58.87\00:43:01.41
for you to reach people that are
00:43:01.48\00:43:03.14
well-known. I
know that some of the
00:43:03.24\00:43:05.38
folks and movie
stars and secular music
00:43:05.45\00:43:09.45
and all of this-
again, we talked about, in the
00:43:09.52\00:43:12.09
political arena,
that God has opened those
00:43:12.15\00:43:14.49
doors. I'm
thankful that you go there.
00:43:14.62\00:43:17.79
You've not compromised,
but you lift up Jesus.
00:43:17.86\00:43:22.20
- Well, when I
was, I guess in my 20s,
00:43:22.26\00:43:25.67
God gave me a quote-
I believe it was from
00:43:25.70\00:43:30.07
Him-and I share it
and I have been sharing
00:43:30.11\00:43:33.58
it with people
all my ministry. You
00:43:33.68\00:43:37.75
don't have to
compromise to be recognized.
00:43:37.85\00:43:40.68
- OK. That's good.
- You don't have to
00:43:40.78\00:43:43.89
compromise to
be recognized. I've
00:43:43.95\00:43:47.32
lived that story.
I've tried my best to be
00:43:47.36\00:43:51.46
faithful. Music-
the servant of God calls
00:43:51.56\00:43:56.30
it an "entering wedge." It is
00:43:56.40\00:43:58.93
a tool that God
uses to get past people's
00:43:59.07\00:44:04.34
defenses, to
get past many of the
00:44:04.41\00:44:09.21
hurdles that they
put up. If you think
00:44:09.34\00:44:13.01
about it, just about
all of us have a song
00:44:13.08\00:44:17.49
that we connect very
closely to our conversion.
00:44:17.59\00:44:23.56
For everybody,
it's different. For me,
00:44:23.66\00:44:29.03
I was a student
of Kingsway College
00:44:29.10\00:44:32.17
back in 1971, '72.
The kids were singing
00:44:32.30\00:44:39.37
a song back
then, "It only takes a
00:44:39.47\00:44:43.71
spark to get a
fire going, and that's
00:44:43.75\00:44:51.55
how it is with
God's love once you've
00:44:51.62\00:44:55.16
experienced it.
You want to sing; it's
00:44:55.26\00:44:58.86
fresh like spring.
You want to pass it on."
00:44:58.93\00:45:03.87
Don't tell me you
don't know that song.
00:45:05.23\00:45:07.14
- I don't. -
Oh! Danny, you gotta
00:45:07.24\00:45:09.90
sing it to her. You
gotta teach her that.
00:45:10.01\00:45:11.94
Well, she's a lot
younger than we are.
00:45:13.98\00:45:16.31
- Oh, right. -
Not really, but she
00:45:16.44\00:45:18.75
appreciates it. -
Don't say that! [laughter]
00:45:18.88\00:45:21.92
- We gotta be
truthful here. - So, back in
00:45:21.98\00:45:24.65
1971, '72, that was
the song that touched
00:45:24.79\00:45:29.96
me. I associate
that song with God's
00:45:30.03\00:45:34.36
Spirit and His
power touching my life,
00:45:34.46\00:45:38.37
changing my
life. One of the great
00:45:38.43\00:45:41.00
joys I've had
is, the man who wrote
00:45:41.04\00:45:45.91
that song became a
friend, and he actually
00:45:46.01\00:45:50.11
played on one of
my early albums. His
00:45:50.21\00:45:53.08
name is Kurt
Kaiser. Kurt Kaiser wrote
00:45:53.15\00:45:55.92
that song, so the
joy of meeting the person
00:45:56.02\00:46:00.09
that wrote the song
that God used to bring
00:46:00.12\00:46:03.89
you to Him... So,
when people pick up
00:46:03.96\00:46:08.56
this CD and donate
to the ministry-and some
00:46:08.63\00:46:11.53
people will purchase
it, I'm sure-just think
00:46:11.60\00:46:15.57
that one of those songs may just
00:46:15.67\00:46:18.91
touch a person's
heart in a way that you'll
00:46:19.01\00:46:22.08
see them in the
kingdom of heaven
00:46:22.14\00:46:24.65
because of one of
those songs. - And
00:46:24.71\00:46:27.52
watch this, now.
Since our time is
00:46:27.62\00:46:29.45
about gone,
because we're going to be
00:46:29.52\00:46:31.75
talking about
God's amazing love- I'm
00:46:31.82\00:46:34.92
transitioning here to
this- yeah, we're segueing
00:46:34.99\00:46:38.16
into the
last... So why don't you
00:46:38.26\00:46:40.13
get ready. We do
have time for one
00:46:40.20\00:46:42.23
more song. This is
a beautiful song also.
00:46:42.30\00:46:44.63
And again, we'll
put up an address
00:46:44.73\00:46:46.90
in a little bit
so you can see how
00:46:46.94\00:46:48.40
you may purchase your
own copies of Glorious
00:46:48.47\00:46:51.61
Church. Right
now, "Amazing Love."
00:46:51.71\00:46:54.88
Amazing love How can it be
00:47:09.69\00:47:16.10
You broke the
chains And set me free
00:47:16.70\00:47:22.40
You fill my life With joy untold
00:47:23.41\00:47:29.98
You light my
spirit You feed my soul
00:47:30.35\00:47:36.69
Now, I want to let
the whole world know
00:47:37.09\00:47:43.73
Of all You've done for me
00:47:43.83\00:47:50.03
I want to praise Your name
00:47:50.37\00:48:00.41
Amazing love How can it be
00:48:00.94\00:48:07.15
You sent Your Son to die for me
00:48:07.65\00:48:14.12
He took the
blame, carried my shame
00:48:14.42\00:48:21.06
All the way to calvary
00:48:21.53\00:48:28.37
When I thought
I was forever lost
00:48:28.60\00:48:35.34
You caught my falling soul
00:48:35.61\00:48:41.68
I want to love You more
00:48:41.95\00:48:49.79
Amazing love
00:48:54.56\00:49:00.70
Amazing love
00:49:01.37\00:49:06.44
Amazing, amazing love
00:49:08.24\00:49:17.85
Amazing love How can it be
00:49:19.85\00:49:25.96
You would give Your life for me
00:49:26.93\00:49:32.30
You bring such
comfort to my soul
00:49:32.63\00:49:39.74
You raise me up
and make me whole
00:49:40.18\00:49:47.22
Now, I want to let
the whole world know
00:49:47.55\00:49:54.19
Of all You've done for me
00:49:54.56\00:50:01.06
I don't think I could ever,
00:50:01.40\00:50:07.54
ever love You more
00:50:07.60\00:50:14.44
Amazing love
00:50:14.78\00:50:20.32
Amazing love
00:50:20.78\00:50:27.96
Amazing love How can it be
00:50:29.06\00:50:35.33
Now, I'll live eternally
00:50:35.60\00:50:41.00
I once was lost
00:50:41.40\00:50:44.97
But now I'm found
00:50:45.37\00:50:48.74
I was blind, but now I see
00:50:49.08\00:50:55.32
And now, I am forever Yours
00:50:56.12\00:51:02.82
Soon, I'll see Your face
00:51:03.16\00:51:08.96
And I will love You more
00:51:09.23\00:51:18.77
Amazing love
00:51:19.14\00:51:26.35
Amazing love
00:51:26.72\00:51:33.62
Amazing love
00:51:33.99\00:51:41.90
Amazing love
00:51:42.26\00:51:51.77
- God's love is
amazing. AMAZING love. Again,
00:51:55.24\00:51:59.51
the tone that
Pastor Wintley has is just
00:51:59.58\00:52:02.82
so beautiful.
It's such a gift. - And
00:52:02.85\00:52:06.42
music is a gift. It
changes lives. - It does.
00:52:06.52\00:52:10.93
- It brings peace,
it brings joy... There
00:52:10.99\00:52:13.90
are so many
things I could say today,
00:52:14.00\00:52:15.36
but this project,
Glorious Church...
00:52:15.43\00:52:20.60
I promise you,
you'll be blessed. So,
00:52:20.70\00:52:23.47
what I'd like to do
is we're going to put
00:52:23.57\00:52:25.31
an address up on
the screen so you can
00:52:25.37\00:52:27.78
get your own
copy of this. We want
00:52:27.88\00:52:30.11
you to share it.
May want to get several
00:52:30.21\00:52:31.81
to share with
your friends and your
00:52:31.88\00:52:33.78
neighbors and
those around you, but
00:52:33.82\00:52:35.78
I know you'll be blessed. If you
00:52:35.85\00:52:37.49
get your own copy,
here's how you can do it.
00:52:37.59\00:52:40.72
- If you would
like more information on
00:52:42.16\00:52:43.99
today's guest,
please contact us here at
00:52:44.09\00:52:46.70
3ABN. Our phone number
is area code (618) 627-4651.
00:52:46.80\00:52:53.87
That's (618)
627-4651. You may also write
00:52:53.97\00:52:59.74
to us at 3ABN Post
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00:52:59.84\00:53:04.48
Frankfort, Illinois
62896. Please be sure to
00:53:04.61\00:53:09.28
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00:53:09.35\00:53:12.22
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00:53:12.35\00:53:14.26
information you
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00:53:14.36\00:53:17.23
is 3ABN Post Office
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00:53:17.33\00:53:21.66
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00:53:21.76\00:53:24.73