I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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Thank you so much for taking
the time to tune in today.
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We always have good programs
and today is not an exception,
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wonderful guest
today, someone I know well,
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and I'm excited to be
able to interview him.
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But many of you watching
the program might be involved
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in some form of ministry
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whether it's
music or print ministry,
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you might be a speaker
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or a person of
diverse talents and abilities.
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Today, I pray that
you'll be encouraged
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by the life of my good
friend who will share with you
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how God has
developed him for ministry
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and what the Lord is
doing through his life.
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And, you know, when
we are giving gifts,
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we have also with that gift
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a great responsibility
to lead others to Christ,
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and to allow Christ to be
reflected through the gift,
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and ministry that we have.
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And so, stay tuned today
for very encouraging program,
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but also thank
you for your prayers,
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and your financial
support of this network
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as we continue
going and growing,
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getting ready for
the coming of Jesus.
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Right now I'd like to
just welcome my guest.
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Good to have you here,
Kendol. Good to be here.
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Kendol Bacchus, it's
always good to see you
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and to invite
you to come to 3ABN.
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This is your first
time however on our set
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that is as an interview.
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That's right.
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But you've been behind the
piano on several occasions,
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but before I go into
that part of your interview
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and how you are already
a part of this 3ABN family,
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give our viewers
just a little bit
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about your background,
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who you are, where you're
from, and what you do right now?
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Okay.
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Well, I'm from St.
Vincent and the Grenadines...
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Okay.
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Which is a chain of islands
in the southern Caribbean,
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down by Trinidad and Barbados.
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Yes.
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And I was born into
a SDA Christian family,
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the fifth child.
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Okay.
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A bit of musical family
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and my parents were
literature evangelists,
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so I was raised in an
atmosphere of missions
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and commitment to the church.
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Okay.
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And your ministry right now
is called Music and Missions.
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That's right.
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Describe that for us? Okay.
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So my journey has
taken me through music,
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towards missions.
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Okay. Okay.
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The thing that I always did
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when I serve the church
as a child was play music,
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but what I've
learned through my journey
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is that the Great
Commission is for everybody
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and the way to do the Great
Commission most successfully
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is to be involved in Christ
method of reaching people.
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That's right.
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So now I am combining
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the skill of
music with the vision
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of what Christ method of
reaching people can bring.
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That's right.
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Bringing people to
the kingdom of God.
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Okay, through the
gift of, that's music,
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but also has a
mission connected to it.
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That's right.
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And you from the West Indies
to be very frank about it...
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Yes.
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Right down a chain
of Caribbean islands...
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That's right.
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If you look at it, you know,
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my family some of
them from St. Thomas,
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and I was raised by
a lady from Trinidad,
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and husband from Barbados,
so it's all down in that chain.
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Yes.
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And the beautiful
Caribbean and the Grenadines...
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So you know about good food.
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Oh, yeah.
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I have the advantage
of the Caribbean flavors
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and my ancestry
goes back to India.
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Yes.
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And I'm fourth
generation Vincentian.
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Okay. What is that?
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From St. Vincent...
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Oh, from St. Vincent, okay.
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All right, of Indian descent,
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and so I come through
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an indentured sort of ancestry
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where my ancestors were
brought to the Caribbean
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after slavery was
abolished, you know,
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indentured labor was just
another fancy term for slavery.
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So they were
basically brought the slaves
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after the
African slave trade died.
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But through that God brought
Christianity to my family
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and this has really impacted
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a few of the
things that I'm doing now.
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So your generational
connections from India,
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and then you reach all
the way across the world
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down to the
Grenadines and St. Vincent?
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That's right.
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But tell us a little
about your background
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because when you think
about Missions and Music,
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somewhere along the way
there had to be a decision
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that this is what the
Lord was calling you to do,
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talk about that?
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Yes.
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Well, first of all,
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I realized from a young
age that I had a musical ear.
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I could harmonize
growing up from young age
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and I kind of thought
everybody could hear that,
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you know, but I realized that
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not everybody can
just harmonize naturally.
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So I had a natural
ability to do that,
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and then there was a
very old piano in my home,
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and I would hear my
sisters playing growing up,
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and I sort of taught
myself to navigate the keys...
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Okay.
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To chords, and so
from my early teens
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I started to be
a church pianist,
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and then I worked with
choirs, accompanying choirs,
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and started to do
some formal music theory,
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and play classical
music all on my own,
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and then in my late teens
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I was introduced
to a piano teacher.
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My oldest sister really
helped with music theory,
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and my early development,
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and I would steal
their scores and play them.
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You know, well, we
had a few people competing
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for the same piano in my home.
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Okay.
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And I got a chance
when they were not around
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to do that.
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And then I did some exams
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with the Royal Schools of Music.
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Yes.
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You know, and
went on to college,
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and there was definitely
a few hints along the way,
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for example being asked
by Pastor Wintley Phipps
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to accompany him
when I was about 19, 20
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during a concert
down in Trinidad,
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and then I moved on to Jamaica,
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and I was
leading a student group
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at the time,
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and I was asked if this group
would appear on the JMI Awards
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which is the Jamaica
Music Industry Awards show.
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Okay.
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I didn't even know
there was such an organization
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at the time,
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but our teacher, our
college music teacher asked
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if we would oblige and do that,
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so these were
hints along the way
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that the Lord was
sort of favoring me
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towards this sort of ministry.
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And so when I got
to Andrews University,
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I was with Andrews
University singers,
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and that helped me
to grow a bit more,
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you know, my
appreciation for choral work,
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and then after that surprisingly
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even though
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I achieved a
master's degree in biology,
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my heart was really with music,
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and I decided to
take an experimental year,
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and that will take me further
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into a journey of
Missions and Music.
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And where are some
of the places you lived
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because we talked
about this getting,
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becoming familiar
with your background,
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you lived in some places
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where it doesn't
really necessarily
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if you think about,
guy from St. Vincent
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and with Indian background,
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where were you living
for some lengthy time period
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that began as missions.
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That's right. That's right.
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Okay, so my
education was in St. Vincent,
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all church school,
primary and secondary,
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and then I went to
school in Trinidad,
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University of the
Southern Caribbean,
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it was called Caribbean...
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Union College
back in the day. Yes.
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And then in Jamaica,
at West Indies College,
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that's now called
Northern Caribbean University.
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You were island hopping.
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Yes, I was.
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And then I went
to Andrews University
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to do a master's degree
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and that was my
introduction to winter
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and Berrien Springs, Michigan
have the kinds of winters
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that really teach you
what winters are all about.
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If you repent...
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That's right.
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But after my studies in biology,
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I was still not
really totally fulfilled
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and so I decided
to do this search
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to try to do overseas missions.
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And I thought, you know,
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let me try to see
where the Lord would call me,
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so I was praying about this,
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and I applied, and
I said to the office,
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"I'd like to go to
Thailand or East Africa."
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Not that I knew a whole
lot about those countries,
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anyway a call came
specifically for me
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to go to South Korea.
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Wow.
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And I said, "Lord, if
You work out all the visas
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and everything I would go."
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And then I further
prayed to be in a clean place,
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a clean environment,
you know, I'm a bit OCD.
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Okay.
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And so the whole
idea of overseas missions,
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you know, I wasn't
sure I was getting into.
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You don't want to
rough it too much.
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Yeah. Rough it
to a certain degree.
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That's right. That's right.
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And so I was led to South Korea,
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and so I showed up there,
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and they placed me in
this city called Chungju.
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And Chungju is
known as the clean city.
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Oh, wonderful.
Lord heard your prayer.
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Yeah, and they were
praying for a pianist
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to come to their mission school.
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And so I felt the Lord
had put me in the right place.
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And that one year
however turned into 14 years.
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Fourteen years? Fourteen years.
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So you do have some
conversational Korean.
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Yes, yes.
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You can order what you
need at a Korean restaurant.
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Oh, yeah.
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And make your way
through the market.
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Yes, I could do my shopping,
and I can do my banking,
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and my postal stuff, you know,
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all the survival
things that you need to do
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on a mission field
in a foreign country.
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You started to talk
about something very deep
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and I'll be lost,
you know, but, you know,
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I know enough
Survival Korean to get by.
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But you're very much a musician.
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So what I want to do is kind
of introduce one of your songs.
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We have some beautiful
music that you've done,
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and I want to kind
of lay the foundation
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as I think about your
story, the Lord knew your heart.
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Yes.
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And this song,
"Shepherd of My Heart"
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is a beautiful piano rendition.
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Are you going to just be playing
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or singing all along with it?
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Oh, I'm just
going to be playing.
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Just going to be
playing, sit back
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as Kendol unfolds his story
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he discovered in a beautiful way
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that Jesus is the
shepherd of his heart.
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Thank you Kendol,
appreciate that, relaxing.
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Thank you.
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You know, I mentioned to you
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as we were
listening to that song
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and you may have come
to the same conclusion,
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it soothes the
nerves, calms the spirit,
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you know, if you're driving,
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and we have
various occasions too,
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sometimes you're
driving somewhere
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and you want to just
get in your car and relax,
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and you think, "I
don't want to hear the news.
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I don't want to
hear up-tempo music.
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I don't want
anybody singing to me,
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I just want to
listen to something relaxing
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and spiritual."
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And I appreciate that.
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Thank you so much
for that. Thank you, sir.
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Now you've had
opportunity to rub shoulders
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with some pretty famous people,
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give us a little dabble in that?
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I know that that's not
your focus of ministry,
00:17:29.24\00:17:31.45
but in your journey
the Lord has led you
00:17:31.48\00:17:34.12
in some ways to
touch the lives of people
00:17:34.15\00:17:36.69
that are very well known.
00:17:36.72\00:17:39.49
Yeah, that's right.
00:17:39.52\00:17:42.06
If people know
who Bill Gates is...
00:17:42.09\00:17:44.56
Wow. Mr. Microsoft himself.
00:17:44.59\00:17:47.76
Yeah, I was
commissioned by his family
00:17:47.76\00:17:51.47
to be their pianist
over Christmas holiday.
00:17:51.50\00:17:54.24
They came on to the Caribbean
00:17:54.27\00:17:56.77
in a very sort
of low profile way,
00:17:56.81\00:18:01.51
stayed there for a while.
00:18:01.54\00:18:04.91
So yeah, I was shuttled
out there to be with them
00:18:04.95\00:18:08.55
and to provide
Christmas music for them.
00:18:08.58\00:18:11.29
Wonderful. So that was cool.
00:18:11.32\00:18:13.29
And just to kind
of add a cap to that,
00:18:13.39\00:18:16.52
that's not your main focus
00:18:16.56\00:18:17.89
'cause you're
very ministry geared,
00:18:17.93\00:18:19.26
but that was
part of your journey.
00:18:19.29\00:18:21.00
That's right, but
the interesting thing
00:18:21.03\00:18:23.03
during that time is
that we had a little service,
00:18:23.06\00:18:25.33
little Christmas service,
and read a Christmas story,
00:18:25.37\00:18:29.07
you know, so...
00:18:29.10\00:18:31.24
Get a chance to share Christ,
not just the seasonal music.
00:18:31.27\00:18:34.18
That's right.
00:18:34.28\00:18:36.08
Now you, there's a
song, "O Divine Redeemer",
00:18:36.11\00:18:39.51
tell us about that
00:18:39.55\00:18:40.92
because in choosing
songs to play and to feature,
00:18:40.95\00:18:45.32
how do you pick your songs?
00:18:45.35\00:18:47.06
Okay.
00:18:47.16\00:18:48.49
I like classical music,
00:18:48.52\00:18:49.86
and I discovered this
song from an old cassette tape
00:18:49.89\00:18:54.56
that my sisters
brought from Jamaica.
00:18:54.60\00:18:57.33
They went to school there,
00:18:57.37\00:18:58.93
and so their choir
was singing this piece
00:18:58.97\00:19:00.87
and it's based on Psalm 51,
00:19:00.90\00:19:04.24
it's David at a
low point in his life
00:19:04.27\00:19:05.91
when he's messed up, and
he's feeling very guilty,
00:19:05.94\00:19:08.51
and disappointed in himself.
00:19:08.54\00:19:10.78
And so he cries out
to God and, you know,
00:19:10.81\00:19:14.35
he's basically
saying, "God, you know,
00:19:14.38\00:19:16.05
turn me not away,
receive me, I'm unworthy."
00:19:16.08\00:19:20.09
So this piece, I heard it first
00:19:20.19\00:19:23.16
as a choral work, a choir.
00:19:23.19\00:19:27.23
But, you know, as
a pianist I decided
00:19:27.30\00:19:30.17
I will turn it
into a piano solo,
00:19:30.20\00:19:32.00
and I will try to
express the same sentiments
00:19:32.03\00:19:34.84
through the piano of
David, you know, repenting,
00:19:34.87\00:19:39.01
crying out to
God, feeling desperate,
00:19:39.04\00:19:41.61
and the whole thing
come in to some sort of end
00:19:41.64\00:19:45.88
with a resolution after
he had expressed himself.
00:19:45.91\00:19:49.18
So this is "O Devine Redeemer".
00:19:49.22\00:19:51.35
Okay, sit back and
enjoy, "O Divine Redeemer".
00:19:51.39\00:19:55.42
I know you were
blessed by that song
00:24:26.39\00:24:28.66
that was speaking
about David's heart,
00:24:28.70\00:24:31.03
and that was, as we talked about
00:24:31.07\00:24:33.30
this whole place of desperation
and needing to be delivered
00:24:33.34\00:24:36.37
and reconciled with Christ,
each one of us could identify
00:24:36.40\00:24:39.27
to some degree with
that very sentiment.
00:24:39.31\00:24:41.68
That's right.
00:24:41.71\00:24:43.04
And I want to go
back into some other areas
00:24:43.08\00:24:44.81
that we didn't talk about.
00:24:44.85\00:24:46.18
First of all,
you're the youngest
00:24:46.21\00:24:47.58
in your family.
00:24:47.62\00:24:48.95
Yes.
00:24:48.98\00:24:50.35
And what was that like to
be raised with four sisters?
00:24:50.39\00:24:52.22
Oh, man, a lot of pressure.
00:24:52.25\00:24:54.99
I came six years
after them. Okay.
00:24:55.02\00:24:57.29
And so I didn't have a brother
00:24:57.33\00:25:00.93
and they didn't
know what to do with me,
00:25:00.96\00:25:02.76
you know, but I had a piano.
00:25:02.80\00:25:05.07
You had a piano. Yeah.
00:25:05.10\00:25:06.43
Found a...
00:25:06.47\00:25:07.80
And a dog.
00:25:07.84\00:25:09.17
Piano and a dog,
found a good friend.
00:25:09.20\00:25:10.61
Yeah.
00:25:10.64\00:25:11.97
Because that's a lot of pressure
00:25:12.01\00:25:13.34
being raised with four sisters,
00:25:13.38\00:25:14.71
you know, a lot of, not
a whole lot of place to run
00:25:14.74\00:25:17.71
when you need
somebody to play cricket with.
00:25:17.75\00:25:20.12
That's right.
00:25:20.22\00:25:21.55
I was going to say
baseball, but you...
00:25:21.58\00:25:23.05
My dad tried, but, you
know, we were a close family,
00:25:23.08\00:25:27.06
so it's a real blessing,
and they're all musical,
00:25:27.09\00:25:30.53
and they really
support what I do.
00:25:30.63\00:25:34.66
Okay. Yeah.
00:25:34.73\00:25:36.03
That's good, but you
have a diversity of avenues
00:25:36.06\00:25:39.03
of ministry though,
not just behind the piano,
00:25:39.07\00:25:41.57
talk about some of your seminars
00:25:41.60\00:25:43.10
because you are
also a presenter.
00:25:43.14\00:25:44.84
Yes.
00:25:44.87\00:25:46.21
So I try to inspire
young people to think
00:25:46.24\00:25:51.38
soberly about music, you know,
00:25:51.41\00:25:53.88
so I've done some
studies on in music and worship,
00:25:53.98\00:25:59.35
in particular
00:25:59.39\00:26:00.79
how we use the
musical language best,
00:26:00.89\00:26:03.22
you know, to
express praise to God
00:26:03.26\00:26:05.76
because there is a school
of thought that, you know,
00:26:05.79\00:26:09.63
there is a no
moral value in music,
00:26:09.66\00:26:11.77
you know, it's all neutral.
00:26:11.80\00:26:15.90
That might have
been fun, you know,
00:26:15.94\00:26:18.71
but we don't quite process music
00:26:18.74\00:26:21.64
the same from
individual to individual,
00:26:21.68\00:26:24.45
and at the same time
00:26:24.48\00:26:25.81
the way the
brain receives music,
00:26:25.85\00:26:28.32
we know some general trends
00:26:28.35\00:26:30.49
in terms of if we
are able to really
00:26:30.59\00:26:34.86
think about the lyrical content,
00:26:34.89\00:26:37.03
and the message there or not,
00:26:37.13\00:26:39.26
because sometimes you see
00:26:39.29\00:26:41.96
the musical language we
use can support the message,
00:26:42.00\00:26:45.23
and we want that to happen...
00:26:45.27\00:26:46.60
That's right.
00:26:46.70\00:26:48.04
we don't wanted to
betray the message,
00:26:48.07\00:26:49.54
so I do some seminars in
that, but my favorite seminar
00:26:49.57\00:26:53.44
right now came out really
from where I am in my journey,
00:26:53.48\00:26:57.65
and it's really
because I discovered
00:26:57.68\00:27:02.42
that in music if you sing
or if you're a techie person,
00:27:02.45\00:27:07.19
you do PA
systems and audio visual
00:27:07.22\00:27:10.36
that secular people
are fascinated by that,
00:27:10.39\00:27:14.93
and the very first
step in Christ method
00:27:14.93\00:27:17.17
is Christ mingled.
00:27:17.27\00:27:20.04
And so when I meet
people, and we have a chat,
00:27:20.07\00:27:24.01
and they're
trying to get to know me,
00:27:24.11\00:27:26.31
a lot of the time
00:27:26.34\00:27:27.68
they don't want to
really talk about the biology
00:27:27.71\00:27:30.25
or they don't
really want to talk about,
00:27:30.28\00:27:33.31
you know, other
stuff, they want to talk
00:27:33.42\00:27:35.92
about the fact
that I am pianist.
00:27:35.95\00:27:37.29
Okay.
00:27:37.39\00:27:38.72
So I used that
00:27:38.75\00:27:43.32
as a way to get a
number or an email address
00:27:43.43\00:27:46.26
to form a connection of trust.
00:27:46.29\00:27:48.60
That's the first step
in Christ method, you know,
00:27:48.63\00:27:50.97
ultimately we want to
win people's confidence.
00:27:51.00\00:27:53.00
Right.
00:27:53.03\00:27:54.37
You know, and we don't
want to do this hypocritically,
00:27:54.40\00:27:57.07
it's very important that
the steps in Christ method
00:27:57.11\00:27:59.57
are done authentically,
00:27:59.61\00:28:02.01
and as if there is no other step
00:28:02.04\00:28:04.71
because, you know,
00:28:04.75\00:28:06.08
we like to rush
on to the baptism,
00:28:06.11\00:28:07.85
step six, you know,
00:28:07.88\00:28:09.32
where we ask
them to follow Jesus,
00:28:09.35\00:28:10.82
but that can take two
weeks or it can take 15 years,
00:28:10.85\00:28:15.22
we don't know how
long it's going to take.
00:28:15.26\00:28:16.76
Right, 'cause one
plants, another waters,
00:28:16.86\00:28:18.46
but God gives the increase.
00:28:18.49\00:28:19.83
That's it.
00:28:19.86\00:28:21.16
He determines the
time where, you know,
00:28:21.20\00:28:23.20
you blossom to the
place where you are safe.
00:28:23.23\00:28:25.80
And that's
expressed in the scriptures,
00:28:25.83\00:28:27.70
you know, Peter
followed Jesus a year and a half
00:28:27.74\00:28:29.70
after his brother
Andrew had introduced him.
00:28:29.74\00:28:31.94
So we can't rush
that, but that's,
00:28:31.97\00:28:33.88
I like that avenue
of ministry, continue.
00:28:33.98\00:28:35.94
That's right.
00:28:35.98\00:28:37.35
So, you know,
00:28:37.38\00:28:40.42
my seminars are about
00:28:40.52\00:28:41.85
how with the
special skill of music,
00:28:41.88\00:28:46.39
being a technical person
00:28:46.42\00:28:47.76
how you contextualize
that within Christ's method,
00:28:47.79\00:28:51.99
because that's the only method
00:28:52.03\00:28:53.70
that's going to
give true success.
00:28:53.73\00:28:55.03
That's right.
00:28:55.06\00:28:56.40
Because we could get
really bogged down with numbers,
00:28:56.43\00:28:59.43
you know, and we don't want
00:28:59.47\00:29:01.10
to bring people to Christ,
00:29:01.14\00:29:06.51
we don't want to
bring people to music,
00:29:06.54\00:29:08.71
and they think
they've come to Christ.
00:29:08.74\00:29:10.98
Very good connection,
00:29:11.01\00:29:12.35
we don't want the
music to be a substitute
00:29:12.38\00:29:13.95
for Christ for the relationship.
00:29:14.05\00:29:15.38
Exactly, exactly.
00:29:15.42\00:29:16.75
And the heart of man is
quite deceitful, you know.
00:29:16.82\00:29:19.62
Our emotional response to music
is legitimate, it's important,
00:29:19.65\00:29:23.86
but it's not
really the primary thing
00:29:23.89\00:29:25.63
that we're after.
00:29:25.66\00:29:27.13
We're after authentic
worship to God through this,
00:29:27.23\00:29:31.43
He is the primary audience,
00:29:31.47\00:29:32.80
He's the one that's receiving
the praise, and artists,
00:29:32.83\00:29:37.51
because we work on our craft,
00:29:37.54\00:29:39.07
and we get
criticized by teachers and so on
00:29:39.11\00:29:42.74
to get better and better.
00:29:42.78\00:29:45.08
And let's face it,
00:29:45.11\00:29:46.55
there are very high
standards of music in the world.
00:29:46.58\00:29:49.55
And now if my measure of success
00:29:49.58\00:29:51.62
is being able to sell a
million copies of a record
00:29:51.65\00:29:56.19
or playing at certain venue,
00:29:56.22\00:29:58.69
I don't think that's
the ultimate success for me
00:29:58.73\00:30:01.20
as an artist in the church,
00:30:01.23\00:30:02.96
it's not really what
our mission is, you know.
00:30:03.00\00:30:05.30
That's right.
00:30:05.33\00:30:06.70
You know, it's how
best I'm able to use this
00:30:06.74\00:30:09.24
within the Great Commission.
00:30:09.27\00:30:10.77
That's right.
00:30:10.81\00:30:12.14
The Great Commission
is not a great suggestion,
00:30:12.17\00:30:16.11
it's a commission.
00:30:16.14\00:30:17.91
So every follower of Christ,
00:30:17.95\00:30:20.88
if you've
experienced Jesus in your life,
00:30:20.92\00:30:23.65
you would have the
hearts for missions
00:30:23.75\00:30:26.22
because that's
what He does for us.
00:30:26.25\00:30:28.29
So my seminars are
ones that encourage people
00:30:28.32\00:30:33.96
who are in music to use
it for the Great Commission
00:30:34.00\00:30:39.23
because this not
only helps people
00:30:39.27\00:30:41.74
to come to Christ, it
helps us to put aside self
00:30:41.77\00:30:45.94
because artistry is really,
you know, it's about self,
00:30:45.97\00:30:49.14
it's about
believing in yourself,
00:30:49.18\00:30:50.78
and confidence,
you got three yeses,
00:30:50.81\00:30:53.08
you know, that sort of language,
00:30:53.11\00:30:55.22
you know, and so that's
how the world measure success.
00:30:55.25\00:31:00.36
But for us, it's really a chance
00:31:00.39\00:31:04.99
for the Lord to bring
us into dependency on Him
00:31:05.03\00:31:09.86
'cause when we are
involved in missions,
00:31:09.90\00:31:12.33
we are dependent on Christ.
00:31:12.37\00:31:13.70
That's right.
00:31:13.80\00:31:15.14
When we're just
involved in music,
00:31:15.17\00:31:16.50
we're depended on self.
00:31:16.54\00:31:17.87
Yeah, because, you know, music,
00:31:17.91\00:31:19.24
I like what you
said a moment ago,
00:31:19.27\00:31:20.94
the emotional response
to music is important...
00:31:20.98\00:31:22.98
Yeah.
00:31:23.01\00:31:24.35
But that's not the goal...
00:31:24.38\00:31:25.71
That's right.
00:31:25.75\00:31:27.08
Because music can
make you feel good,
00:31:27.18\00:31:28.52
it can make you feel
sad, it can lift today,
00:31:28.55\00:31:29.88
it can make you feel melancholy,
00:31:29.92\00:31:32.02
it has all those
influences on us.
00:31:32.05\00:31:35.32
But emotional aspect of music
00:31:35.36\00:31:37.83
while it reaches a
certain place in your heart
00:31:37.86\00:31:40.66
and in your life,
00:31:40.76\00:31:42.06
that's not the
ultimate goal of it.
00:31:42.10\00:31:43.43
That's right.
00:31:43.47\00:31:44.80
And then you, the
other thing you pointed out,
00:31:44.83\00:31:46.17
musicians like affirmation...
00:31:46.20\00:31:47.67
They do. Did you like that?
00:31:47.70\00:31:49.04
Was that good? Yeah.
00:31:49.07\00:31:50.44
And that tends to
seek the three yeses
00:31:50.47\00:31:52.94
rather than saying,
00:31:52.97\00:31:54.31
"I must decrease
00:31:54.34\00:31:55.68
because I want Him to increase."
00:31:55.71\00:31:57.08
That's right. That's right.
00:31:57.11\00:31:58.45
I'm not saying that
everybody does that,
00:31:58.48\00:32:00.42
you know, don't feel
anything, but let's face it,
00:32:00.45\00:32:02.72
human nature, we
like the pats on the back.
00:32:02.75\00:32:04.49
Right. Right?
00:32:04.52\00:32:06.05
So I do these seminars
not just to encourage people
00:32:06.09\00:32:10.23
to bring people to the church
or bring people to Christ,
00:32:10.26\00:32:12.53
but you yourself,
00:32:12.56\00:32:13.90
you need this
involvement in missions,
00:32:14.00\00:32:17.33
you know, if you're
going to be good for yourself.
00:32:17.43\00:32:19.20
That's right, which
takes me to that place,
00:32:19.23\00:32:22.14
music is deeper than it
appears to be on the surface.
00:32:22.17\00:32:24.94
Absolutely.
00:32:24.97\00:32:26.31
And as a singer and
songwriter, I tell you,
00:32:26.34\00:32:29.91
very modest songwriter
'cause I don't read music,
00:32:30.01\00:32:32.68
and I'm not theoretical,
you have that background,
00:32:32.71\00:32:35.68
you have the ability
to, you are self-taught,
00:32:35.72\00:32:38.59
but you have the
theory, you have the experience,
00:32:38.62\00:32:40.22
you can read
music, and do scores.
00:32:40.32\00:32:42.39
And not only
that, I also found out
00:32:42.42\00:32:44.49
you have studio ability,
engineering, sound, artistry,
00:32:44.53\00:32:48.40
all that in your repertoire.
00:32:48.43\00:32:51.87
So you're
comfortable in a music studio?
00:32:51.90\00:32:53.97
Yeah, I like being in
that environment actually.
00:32:54.00\00:32:57.57
Okay. Yeah.
00:32:57.61\00:32:59.07
Now the song
that I was thinking of
00:32:59.11\00:33:00.98
and you set the stage
wonderfully for that was
00:33:01.01\00:33:03.75
"Deep River".
00:33:03.78\00:33:05.51
Talk about Deep River
00:33:05.55\00:33:06.92
because as I'm listening
to your approach to music
00:33:06.95\00:33:10.29
and once again, not
a blanket statement,
00:33:10.32\00:33:11.85
but, you know, our
world is very driven by music,
00:33:11.89\00:33:14.82
so many
different genres of music,
00:33:14.86\00:33:16.46
so many different aspects,
00:33:16.49\00:33:17.86
even sometimes
in Christian music,
00:33:17.89\00:33:19.79
it could be in a war driven,
a recognition driven thing.
00:33:19.83\00:33:23.00
But for you, music is
a lot deeper than that.
00:33:23.03\00:33:25.63
Yeah.
00:33:25.67\00:33:27.00
Deep River is a Negro spiritual.
00:33:27.10\00:33:29.40
I talked about my
ancestor journey early on,
00:33:29.44\00:33:33.44
okay,
00:33:33.48\00:33:34.94
what I discovered is that
00:33:34.98\00:33:36.31
we have the highest
incidence of displacement
00:33:36.34\00:33:39.15
on the planet ever recorded.
00:33:39.18\00:33:41.72
In fact, the statistic I
read said that 1 in 131 persons
00:33:41.75\00:33:46.15
on planet earth are displaced.
00:33:46.19\00:33:50.39
That's quite shocking.
00:33:50.43\00:33:53.26
Human trafficking,
00:33:53.36\00:33:54.66
the slavery in all
forms existing today still,
00:33:54.73\00:33:57.50
we don't label it as
slavery all the time,
00:33:57.53\00:33:59.77
but essentially
that's what it is.
00:33:59.80\00:34:01.24
That's right.
00:34:01.27\00:34:02.60
And so coming from an ancestry
00:34:02.64\00:34:05.87
of indentured servants,
00:34:05.91\00:34:08.88
I thought a Negro
spiritual is as relevant
00:34:08.91\00:34:11.05
to my history as well.
00:34:11.08\00:34:12.95
I couldn't think of
any other people group
00:34:12.98\00:34:16.08
that was displaced on the earth
that birthed a genre of music.
00:34:16.12\00:34:21.29
And it's such beautiful
music, the Negro spirituals.
00:34:21.32\00:34:23.26
I wanted to present them again,
00:34:23.29\00:34:26.70
not this time to be
just a part of black identity
00:34:26.80\00:34:30.43
or black history necessarily,
00:34:30.53\00:34:32.90
but to bring hope to present day
00:34:32.93\00:34:35.20
displaced people,
00:34:35.24\00:34:38.21
and to bring them to
Christ because you see that
00:34:38.24\00:34:41.88
the story of God is about
00:34:41.91\00:34:43.31
how He brings beautiful
things out of bad situations.
00:34:43.35\00:34:47.08
And so, Ellen White
talks about in the last days
00:34:47.12\00:34:50.25
that people will
come to adore us,
00:34:50.29\00:34:52.89
we wouldn't even need to go
to their country sometimes...
00:34:52.92\00:34:55.32
That's right. To
give them the gospel.
00:34:55.36\00:34:57.76
And so here in
the United States,
00:34:57.79\00:34:59.49
you've got
refugees from all over,
00:34:59.53\00:35:01.43
now I'm writing this album,
00:35:01.46\00:35:03.67
and getting it
ready to record it.
00:35:03.70\00:35:05.77
And there's
somebody in this country
00:35:05.80\00:35:09.24
who is getting ready to do
00:35:09.27\00:35:10.61
a concert for
refugee ministries,
00:35:10.71\00:35:14.58
and this person heard
me play something else
00:35:14.61\00:35:18.78
and asked if I will
come to this country
00:35:18.81\00:35:22.25
to perform in this concert.
00:35:22.28\00:35:23.69
So, you know, again
it's a story of God.
00:35:23.72\00:35:25.15
So Sojourn is the CD that I have
00:35:25.19\00:35:30.73
and Deep River is
00:35:30.83\00:35:32.83
one of the several Negro
spirituals on this album.
00:35:32.86\00:35:36.10
Well, thank you for that.
00:35:36.13\00:35:37.53
I'd like you to sit back
00:35:37.57\00:35:38.90
and listen to the
pathos of the rise
00:35:38.93\00:35:41.84
and the journey of those
who understand of the sadness,
00:35:41.87\00:35:47.04
but also the
eventual joy of knowing
00:35:47.14\00:35:49.71
you've been displaced,
00:35:49.74\00:35:51.78
but Christ has
found you where you were.
00:35:51.81\00:35:54.08
That's right. Negro
spiritual, Deep River.
00:35:54.18\00:35:56.45
You've discovered
through songs like that
00:38:58.13\00:39:00.17
that the
relationships that matter
00:39:00.20\00:39:02.37
that really take us to
that safe place in Christ,
00:39:02.40\00:39:05.84
you know, our
relationships that often
00:39:05.87\00:39:07.51
borne out of
hardship and difficulty,
00:39:07.54\00:39:10.78
that's what I
like about that song,
00:39:10.81\00:39:12.15
Deep River.
00:39:12.18\00:39:13.55
Yeah.
00:39:13.58\00:39:14.92
It's, you know, they
say still waters run deep,
00:39:14.95\00:39:17.02
but very few of us,
00:39:17.05\00:39:19.12
very few of us
appreciate what we've become
00:39:19.15\00:39:21.99
as a result of going through
the deep rivers in our lives.
00:39:22.02\00:39:25.16
And on that CD,
mention the title of the CD
00:39:25.19\00:39:27.23
again that has Negro spirituals.
00:39:27.30\00:39:28.70
Right, it's
called Sojourn. Sojourn.
00:39:28.73\00:39:30.67
And it's based
on two Bible texts
00:39:30.77\00:39:32.10
that talk about the fact that
we are sojourners on the earth.
00:39:32.13\00:39:34.04
Okay.
00:39:34.07\00:39:35.40
This isn't really our final home
00:39:35.44\00:39:38.24
and, in fact,
I'm writing right now
00:39:38.27\00:39:41.48
a second CD of Negro
spirituals if you will
00:39:41.51\00:39:47.12
because there are scores
of Negro spirituals out there,
00:39:47.15\00:39:51.79
and I really like
this music, so why not?
00:39:51.82\00:39:56.62
I like that picture.
00:39:56.73\00:39:58.59
I have always desired,
00:39:58.63\00:40:00.70
I mean I tinker
around the keyboard enough
00:40:00.73\00:40:03.06
to find a song or develop one,
00:40:03.10\00:40:06.70
but the deep appreciation
00:40:06.74\00:40:08.50
of what music
really is all about
00:40:08.54\00:40:10.77
is something that I'm
still in pursuit of, so but,
00:40:10.81\00:40:13.64
until then I'll
appreciate musicians
00:40:13.74\00:40:15.68
and ministers such as yourself.
00:40:15.71\00:40:18.08
Tell us about some of
the places you've been
00:40:18.11\00:40:21.02
'cause music has taken you far
and wide, and you're single...
00:40:21.05\00:40:24.62
That's right.
00:40:24.65\00:40:25.99
I just want to
say that for those
00:40:26.02\00:40:27.62
who are watching the program,
00:40:27.66\00:40:31.39
but that hasn't been a
major pursuit of yours,
00:40:31.43\00:40:34.46
but tell us about some
of the places you've gone,
00:40:34.50\00:40:36.70
and how the Lord has allowed you
00:40:36.73\00:40:38.07
to meet some of
our other 3ABN family,
00:40:38.10\00:40:39.70
like Sandra Entermann.
00:40:39.73\00:40:41.20
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:40:41.24\00:40:43.44
Well, you know, I had
these friends in Korea,
00:40:43.47\00:40:46.61
this family in Korea
00:40:46.64\00:40:48.34
that decided to
move to Australia.
00:40:48.38\00:40:52.25
So they moved and
close friend of mine
00:40:52.28\00:40:56.02
asked me if I would
come down on holiday
00:40:56.05\00:40:57.69
during my break.
00:40:57.72\00:40:59.05
So here was I flying
00:40:59.09\00:41:02.59
from Korea to Australia
00:41:02.62\00:41:04.83
to see my Korean
buddy and his family.
00:41:04.86\00:41:06.90
And the very first
Sabbath I said, you know,
00:41:07.00\00:41:10.43
"I go to Korean
churches every week.
00:41:10.47\00:41:12.13
It would be nice to go
00:41:12.17\00:41:13.50
to an English
speaking church today."
00:41:13.60\00:41:16.04
So he took me to the nearest
00:41:16.07\00:41:18.34
English speaking
church to his house,
00:41:18.37\00:41:21.28
and so at this church
00:41:21.31\00:41:24.51
I met people who
greeted me warmly,
00:41:24.55\00:41:28.05
and I was invited to lunch
00:41:28.08\00:41:30.55
along with other
visitors for the day.
00:41:30.59\00:41:33.12
And so at this lunch
00:41:33.15\00:41:35.86
I would meet Sandra Entermann...
00:41:35.89\00:41:38.36
Yes.
00:41:38.39\00:41:39.73
And we did some
singing and so on after lunch,
00:41:39.76\00:41:43.80
but they didn't
know that I played.
00:41:43.83\00:41:47.47
Oh...
00:41:47.50\00:41:49.17
But I was staying coincidentally
00:41:49.20\00:41:52.14
to those up from that
house on the same street,
00:41:52.17\00:41:57.48
and this was Sandra's sister
00:41:57.51\00:42:00.72
and good friends of mine.
00:42:00.75\00:42:03.79
Anyway the following day,
00:42:03.82\00:42:05.92
I guess they noticed
that I was sort of musical
00:42:05.95\00:42:07.99
'cause I was singing
00:42:08.02\00:42:09.36
and I was
harmonizing a little bit,
00:42:09.39\00:42:11.86
and so they
asked me, "Do you play?
00:42:11.89\00:42:15.36
And I said,
"Yeah, I play the piano."
00:42:15.40\00:42:18.50
He said, "Well, we
had a piano downstairs.
00:42:18.53\00:42:20.40
You never told us yesterday.
00:42:20.44\00:42:21.77
So long story short,
00:42:21.80\00:42:25.17
Sandra and I made
a musical connection,
00:42:25.21\00:42:29.84
and that would lead me
00:42:29.88\00:42:31.21
to Three Angels
Broadcasting Network.
00:42:31.25\00:42:32.91
That's right.
00:42:32.95\00:42:34.28
Where we did some
videos right here together
00:42:34.32\00:42:36.55
and I met a really
good friend through Sandra,
00:42:36.65\00:42:39.75
and that's A.T Westney.
00:42:39.79\00:42:41.32
Oh, very much part of the 3ABN.
00:42:41.36\00:42:43.19
He was responsible
for my first CD project
00:42:43.22\00:42:45.93
back in 1999.
00:42:45.96\00:42:47.56
Yeah, yeah.
Great, great gentleman.
00:42:47.60\00:42:48.90
That's right.
Great Christian also.
00:42:48.93\00:42:50.70
That's right.
00:42:50.80\00:42:52.13
So I was able to do
some sessions with him
00:42:52.17\00:42:54.24
and just last year
I was able to perform
00:42:54.27\00:42:58.11
alongside him
00:42:58.14\00:43:00.58
with the orchestra
of St. Paul's in London
00:43:00.61\00:43:02.58
at the gala
concert, and I was called in.
00:43:02.61\00:43:07.02
I wasn't supposed
to be on the cast,
00:43:07.05\00:43:09.08
but there was agent in London,
00:43:09.12\00:43:11.09
and just four days
before that big night,
00:43:11.12\00:43:15.12
I got a phone call and ended
up having to handle some music.
00:43:15.16\00:43:19.43
All right.
00:43:19.46\00:43:20.80
And it was a great
time working with him again.
00:43:20.90\00:43:24.83
So that's Australia,
00:43:24.87\00:43:26.20
but I've also been throughout
00:43:26.23\00:43:30.17
some countries in Southeast Asia
00:43:30.21\00:43:31.87
like Thailand,
Philippines, Japan,
00:43:31.91\00:43:37.01
New Zealand, and
down in Southern Africa...
00:43:37.05\00:43:39.85
Wow.
00:43:39.88\00:43:41.22
South Africa, Zimbabwe,
00:43:41.25\00:43:42.72
Swaziland,
Botswana, and Namibia,
00:43:42.75\00:43:45.05
I didn't always do
music in those countries,
00:43:45.09\00:43:47.42
but, you know,
your musical connections
00:43:47.52\00:43:50.39
do have a way of
beginning to friendships
00:43:50.49\00:43:53.66
that take you around,
but what I found out is that
00:43:53.70\00:43:57.57
this
Seventh-day Adventist church
00:43:57.60\00:43:59.63
of which we are
part exists everywhere.
00:43:59.67\00:44:02.24
Wow, that's
right, world wide family.
00:44:02.27\00:44:04.21
That's right,
people are warm most times,
00:44:04.24\00:44:09.21
and you would know
what to expect at lunch.
00:44:09.24\00:44:12.65
That's right.
00:44:12.68\00:44:14.55
I want to set up the
song, "The stage is Bare"
00:44:14.58\00:44:17.29
because I want to kind
of wind our program up,
00:44:17.39\00:44:19.59
but this is not the last
part, we're gonna come back
00:44:19.62\00:44:21.66
and have a little
commentary after that.
00:44:21.69\00:44:24.03
Tell us about The Stage is Bare,
00:44:24.06\00:44:25.83
kind of give us the 30
second introduction to that.
00:44:25.86\00:44:27.66
Sure.
00:44:27.73\00:44:29.03
I was becoming
involved in a 2016
00:44:29.06\00:44:32.53
3ABN campaign in London.
00:44:32.57\00:44:34.54
I've been going to London
the last five or six years
00:44:34.57\00:44:37.27
pretty much
every year for periods
00:44:37.31\00:44:39.84
ranging from three
months to six months
00:44:39.87\00:44:43.21
assisting the South-Indian
conference with evangelism
00:44:43.31\00:44:46.68
doing my seminars and
innovating music ministry.
00:44:46.72\00:44:50.95
And so we did a
project last year
00:44:50.99\00:44:52.92
called Music for Broken World
which had a focus on diversity.
00:44:52.95\00:44:57.49
What did you just ask me?
00:45:01.36\00:45:02.70
And on that note,
00:45:02.73\00:45:04.07
I want to run the
song The Stage is Bare.
00:45:04.17\00:45:05.50
Okay.
00:45:05.53\00:45:06.87
Because I want
to give you a chance
00:45:06.94\00:45:08.27
on the other side of
that to comment about that.
00:45:08.30\00:45:09.77
Right. Okay.
00:45:09.80\00:45:11.47
It's a beautiful
song, I've heard it before
00:45:11.51\00:45:13.24
and artist Sandi Patty
is the one who sung it,
00:45:13.27\00:45:16.18
but you're going to be blessed
as Kendol Bacchus plays it.
00:45:16.21\00:45:19.55
Thank you so much, Kendol.
00:51:17.61\00:51:19.27
Tell us where that song
was born in your repertoire?
00:51:19.31\00:51:22.91
Right.
00:51:22.94\00:51:24.28
So I was getting ready
for the London 2016 campaign.
00:51:24.31\00:51:25.78
Yes.
00:51:25.81\00:51:27.58
And I wanted to do an
album called Altar Call
00:51:27.62\00:51:30.25
which would
have all of the songs
00:51:30.29\00:51:32.09
that we would use to
bring people to Christ,
00:51:32.12\00:51:33.92
and I thought it would be
nice to make this available
00:51:33.96\00:51:36.36
for music therapy as well,
00:51:36.39\00:51:39.06
when people are
hurting, they're vulnerable,
00:51:39.09\00:51:40.86
and they're more likely
to remember these hymns.
00:51:40.90\00:51:43.60
That's right.
00:51:43.70\00:51:45.03
So just like your CD The Call...
00:51:45.07\00:51:47.07
The Call.
00:51:47.10\00:51:48.47
This one is Altar Call.
00:51:48.50\00:51:49.84
Okay. Yeah.
00:51:49.94\00:51:51.27
And those of you watching
00:51:51.31\00:51:52.64
and listening to the
program might want to know
00:51:52.67\00:51:54.01
how to get in touch with Kendol,
00:51:54.04\00:51:55.38
to invite him to
share his varied gifts
00:51:55.41\00:51:57.38
including the
beautiful gift of music,
00:51:57.41\00:51:59.41
here is the
information that you need.
00:51:59.45\00:52:03.12
If you would like to
invite Kendol Bacchus
00:52:03.15\00:52:05.19
to share his
talent and preaching
00:52:05.22\00:52:07.06
with your church or conference,
00:52:07.09\00:52:09.06
please visit his
website KendolMusic.com.
00:52:09.09\00:52:13.19
There you will
find his recordings
00:52:13.23\00:52:15.13
as well as more
information on his music
00:52:15.16\00:52:17.73
and missions ministry.
00:52:17.77\00:52:20.00
That website again is Kendol,
00:52:20.04\00:52:22.04
spelled K-E-N-D-O-L Music.com.
00:52:22.07\00:52:27.14
You may also call him
in St. Vincent at area code
00:52:27.18\00:52:30.98
784-498-2072
00:52:31.01\00:52:35.92
or write to Music and Missions,
00:52:35.95\00:52:38.09
PO Box 60,
Kingstown, St. Vincent.
00:52:38.12\00:52:42.09