I want to spend my life
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mending broken people,
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I want to spend my life
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removing pain...
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Lord, let my words
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heal a heart that hurts,
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I want to spend my life
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mending broken people,
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I want to spend my life
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mending broken people.
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Music.
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Hello and welcome to
another 3ABN Today Program.
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We are so grateful
that you have joined us
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and allowed us to
come into your Living Room
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or maybe you're watching on your
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maybe it's an Android device
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or an iPad or a Tablet
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or maybe you're
listening on radio,
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we thank you for joining us
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and Jill and I just
want to say, "Thank you
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for your support of
the ministry of 3ABN
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some of you...
from the very beginning
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over 30 years...
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maybe some of you just recently
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but thank you for
your financial support
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and also, your prayers. "
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Why is this important to
keep 3ABN in your prayers
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or in your checkbook
or your monthly donations?
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It's because it is
winning souls for Jesus Christ.
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Jill: Amen.
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And 3ABN is a worldwide
ministry touching people 24/7
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it's hard to believe isn't it?
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We mentioned here in
our Production worships
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that we have during
the week sometimes that
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even while we're
sleeping on our pillow,
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this gospel is
going around the world
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because of your support
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and because of the Lord
Jesus Christ, of course,
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but we just again
thank you so much for that.
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Today we have an
exciting program, don't we?
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We... I don't know if sometimes
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you may be... get a little
intimidated about Bible Studies
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or you're at the gas
pump and you're like,
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"I think that
person needs some help,
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I should probably give him a
tract or help him with something
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I don't know what to
do, I'll wait for later"
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or you know there's
someone in your church who says,
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"Hey, if someone would give me
a Bible Study, I would gladly...
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yeah, I want someone to
give me a Bible Study. "
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Well, today you're going
to find out how you can...
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what... get tools on
how to approach someone,
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how to give Bible Studies
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and we have some great friends
in the ministry of 3ABN with us.
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Absolutely, we're so excited
about this Program today,
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we're going to be talking
about a philosophy of evangelism
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and speaking of that,
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we're talking
about Emmanuel Institute
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which is an
incredible school of evangelism
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and they have many
different facets with that
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and we're talking today about
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how you can get
involved in evangelism,
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how you can get
involved in Bible Studies
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reaching out and winning
souls for the Lord Jesus Christ.
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As soon as we accept
Jesus as our personal Savior,
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right at that
moment... from that point on...
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we have a call on our
life to share Jesus with others
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so our guests today are
no strangers to evangelism
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and no strangers to 3ABN either,
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we have Pastor Mark Howard,
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you are the Director
of the Emmanuel Institute
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and we're so
glad to have you here.
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I am thrilled to be here,
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this is going to be
an exciting show today.
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Amen... and you've
been at 3ABN many times
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and on many different programs.
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Greg: And his wife too.
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Jill: And your
wife... she's a great cook
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we love Stephanie's cooking
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and we're trying
to get her back again
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for another cooking program.
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Yeah, it's amazing I don't
weigh more but yes, absolutely.
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You exercise well.
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Yes.
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And sitting next to you
is Pastor Kameron DeVasher
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and it's a privilege and
joy to have you here as well,
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I know, you and your wife Emily
were here several years ago
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doing the "Anchors
of Truth" Series for us.
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Yeah, we've done
some "Anchors of Truth"
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and done some Camp
Meetings here with 3ABN
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and so, we're
happy to be back again
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and this time, in the capacity
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as partnering
with Emmanuel Institute
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from the Mission Conference
and Personal Ministries
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and all the things
you were talking about...
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every member being
inspired and trained
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to be a soul winner for Jesus
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so we're
excited about the things
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we're going to be
talking about today.
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Amen and I should have mentioned
that Pastor Kameron's title...
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he's the Sabbath School and
Personal Ministries Director
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for the Michigan Conference
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and we're just
delighted and privileged
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to have both of you here.
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Thank you.
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And I know you have a Scripture
too, I think, that ties along...
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goes along with
Emmanuel Institute
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but I want to ask you...
before we go to that Scripture,
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how long has Emmanuel
Institute been in existence?
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Emmanuel Institute started
in the Michigan Conference
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in 2009... and...
yeah so we have...
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and we've done a
lot of training courses,
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we used to run a
14-week training course...
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was our longest one,
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we've done 5-day, 7-day
on occasion 10-day trainings
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all different Speaker Trainings
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and "How to give
Bible Study Trainings"
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and any number of things, so...
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So, this is exciting, I
don't know if you caught this
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but he said, "Trainings"
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so that doesn't mean
they're just going to send you
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like a packet of
stuff in the mail
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and you sit there and try
to sort through all this...
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you might do that as well,
but there's actually on-site
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you can actually go and attend
and get instructions there...
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multiple classes... if
sounds like... or programs.
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Yes. Hmmm... hmmm...
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So, few years... and
then, what is your role there
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Pastor Kameron?
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Well, I'm coming into the
Mission Conference Offices
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like this
mission of Sabbath School
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and Personal Ministries Director
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and that department is parallel
with the Ministerial Department
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and their job is to
work with the ministers
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and the pastors in the field
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and they do the
public evangelism primarily
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but the Personal Ministries
and the Sabbath School...
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these are the
areas where lay people
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have the main charge and
responsibility of ministry
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and so, a lot of times we
kind of think that ministry
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is a pastoral duty
for the paid clergy...
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as members, our
job is to pray for
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and financially
support their work
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when in reality, the
work of the ministers...
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is to train and
equip the members
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to be missionaries for Jesus
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and so, we're trying to make
that in the Mission Conference
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be the understanding
of how the lay ministry
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and the paid ministers cooperate
together to do the work of God
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because it's not...
it's not a model we have...
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a 100 people
watch one man work...
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we want to have a model where
the man there stands and teaches
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everyone how to be
a worker for Jesus.
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Mark: That's
right... Jill: Amen.
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Greg: Yeah, well said, and
so you're also a Teacher...
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Professor of Emmanuel Institute?
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I worked with Mark and Emmanuel
Institute for years before this
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teaching Bible Docs and helping
other trainings and everything
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and so, it's a natural fit
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to cooperate together in
this going forward, yeah.
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Jill: Amen.
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So when you have
one of your sessions
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how many teachers
do you have come in?
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We usually have
about four or five teachers
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in a typical session,
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sometimes
more... sometimes less...
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but that's in the average.
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Wow, this is kind of
whetting our appetite, isn't it?
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That's right... absolutely
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and I just want to know just
a brief update on your family
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so, Pastor Mark we'll
start with you... tell us...
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and we talked about Stephanie
briefly... and your kids.
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Well, it's hard to believe that
my son just graduated college
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was it two weeks ago...
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and so, it starts to make you
feel really old when it happens
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and... so he
graduated with a Finance Degree
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and he's
currently looking for...
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he's got his job applications
out and what have you...
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and then my daughter just...
is finishing up this week
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her first year of
High School... Academy...
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at Great Lakes
Adventist Academy.
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Jill: Oh, that's a great school.
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And... yes, and I
pastor there as well so...
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in that church so...
yeah, they... they're grown up.
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They're no longer itty-bitty
little babies, are they?
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No, no, no... and Stephanie
has done the cooking shows
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as you mentioned on here
and Annalisa was just a...
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We did one with Annalisa...
I was trying to remember that
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but she was just a little
thing behind the counter...
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to think she's in
High School, it's amazing,
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yeah, praise the Lord
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and what about
you Pastor Kameron?
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Well, my wife Emily and I
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are still doing well
and we're excited about...
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well, right now... in the
middle of a move to Lansing
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and we have three
children... Henry is seven...
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Edward is five...
and Molly is three
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and for those of you
who might remember...
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Mark: So far.
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Kameron: Yes, no...
no... no... slow down...
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Mark's not a part of our
family he likes to butt in
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from the outside... we don't
let him in those deliberations
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Greg: You have three children...
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We have three children...
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seven... five and
three... and that's good
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and some of you might remember
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that Edward had had some medical
challenges and everything
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and so, he continues to
get better by God's grace
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we want to thank everybody
for their prayers and support
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and so, life goes on
and they're growing too
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and so, life is
busy but it's good...
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there's never a dull
moment in ministry right now.
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I'm glad you
mentioned that too because
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I know we appreciate the
prayers for the ministry at 3ABN
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but we have many guests...
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I mean, we count these gentlemen
as family as well to 3ABN
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but thank you for
lifting them up in prayer
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because these men
are on the front line
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and the devil likes to attack...
cause problems and disruptions
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but we know that
the Lord is stronger
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and He will see us
through the storms of life.
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Amen... amen...
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Well, we have a Scripture,
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let's go... this is
Mark chapter 1 verse 17,
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"Then Jesus said to them,
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'Follow me, and I will make
you become fishers of men. ' "
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Now, tell me Pastor Mark,
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why specifically you
chose this Scripture.
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Of course, you
know, in soul winning...
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people accused me of doing
it because it was in Mark...
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but it's the only
one in the gospels
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that, you know, we've
heard that Jesus says,
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"I'll make you fishers of men"
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but I like that word "become"
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because "become" implies that
it's something that you weren't
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but you will be
through the grace of Christ
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and when it comes
to sharing our faith,
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how many people say,
"Well, I just can't do that,
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I guess I'm nervous about it. "
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You can become a
witness for Christ
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through the power
of the Holy Spirit
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and so, that's why I
particularly like that verse.
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Jill: Amen... amen...
Greg: Wow! that's powerful,
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yeah fantastic...
we have some music
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and then we'll get
into Emmanuel Institute,
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who's our music from today?
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Our music today
is from Pam Lister
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and the song that she is
going to be ministering is,
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"Each One Reach One"
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Music...
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Today a man is somewhere
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proclaiming the good news
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Winning families to Jesus
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all around his neighborhood
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He tells them that God is able
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to make their house a home
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He wants to win
his world for Christ,
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but he can't do it alone.
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But each one
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can reach one
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As we follow after Christ
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we all can lead one
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We can lead one
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to the Savior
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And together we
can tell the world
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that Jesus is the way
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if we reach one
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reach one.
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Music...
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The message is unchanging,
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go ye into all the world
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And share the love of Jesus
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far away or door to door
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You see, just
like somebody told you
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Jesus loves you so
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You must tell someone,
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who will tell someone
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Until the whole world knows
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Each one
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can reach one
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As we follow after Christ
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we all can lead one
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We can lead one
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to the Savior
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Then together we
can tell the world
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Jesus is the way
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If we each one
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reach one.
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So will you go and labor
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Will you hold high your light
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One by one
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and two by two
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We can win our world
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for Jesus Christ
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Each one
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can reach one
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As we follow after Christ
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we all can lead one
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We can lead one
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to the Savior
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And together we
can tell the world
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that Jesus is the way
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If we reach one
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reach one...
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Music.
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Amen... thank you so
much Pam, "Each One Reach One"
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what a perfect song
for a topic of evangelism.
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We're talking today,
if you are just joining us
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with Pastor Mark Howard,
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the Director of
the Emmanuel Institute
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and with Pastor Kameron DeVasher
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the Sabbath School and
Personal Ministries Director
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for the Michigan Conference
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and we're talking
about Emmanuel Institute
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but we're talking
about it in context of
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the philosophy of evangelism
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and the need for training
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so, let's talk about
Emmanuel Institute as a whole
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why... why the name
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and why did you begin it?
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Greg: Yeah... feel
impressed to come up with
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such an Institute?
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When we were coming up with
a name for Emmanuel Institute,
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we wanted something
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that had some
Adventist-history flavor to it
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and we'll talk about
that maybe when we talk about
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the significance of
the message of evangelism
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but obviously,
"Emmanuel" is a name
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the Bible uses for the Lord,
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and I suppose, from
the foundational level,
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if you're going to be successful
in reaching souls for Christ,
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you've got to have "God
with us" is what it really means
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but in our history...
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and it was the same reason that
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we as a church chose that name
for one of our first colleges...
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it started out as the
"Battle Creek College"
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but it was
relocated in Berrien Springs
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and renamed:
Emmanuel Missionary College
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but it's interesting to me is
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as I went back in history,
I found a couple of quotes
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when that
college was established,
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one from the Review and
Herald of August 25, 1903
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where it says,
"Emmanuel Missionary College
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has for its sole purpose
the training of missionaries"
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and for many people today,
when we think of "missionary"
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that's somebody
who goes overseas
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and they work in
full-time ministry.
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Greg: True.
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But the mindset of "missionary"
in our church was that
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this is something
every member does.
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Another quote regarding
the Emmanuel Missionary College
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was found in the book,
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"The Great Second
Advent Movement" page 396
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by J.N.
Loughborough and he wrote,
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"To qualify laborers
fully prepared for work
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in any part of the
world where they may be called
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in the
providence of God to labor,
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is the one great desire and aim
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of the teachers of the
Emmanuel Missionary College"
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and the mindset...
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in fact, there's a great
painting on the wall of...
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I forget which Hall it is at
Southern Adventist University
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by Nathan Greene
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where it has these people in
all these different occupations
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nurse, doctor,
architect, whatever...
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and here's Jesus... has
His arm around a young man
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who looks like he's
going into the ministry
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and He's pointing
them on in a direction...
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the idea being that whatever
your occupation is going to be,
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you're a missionary for Christ
if you're a disciple of Christ
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and so, this
every-member-missionary thing
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and that's what we
wanted to lay hold of
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in that name, "Emmanuel"
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that everyone is called
to be a missionary for Christ
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or witness for Christ...
and that He will enable anyone
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to become an
effective soul winner.
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It kind of goes back to the
text that we started out with
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because "enable" "become"
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you mentioned
it's not a "make. "
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Exactly, you could look at it
if you choose some versions...
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some other gospels
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where it's just...
"I'll make you disciples"
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"I'll make you fishers
of men" I should say...
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but in the
"Mark" version it says,
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"make you become"
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the implication being...
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if it was a "make" it
could be understood to be
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an instantaneous transaction,
boom... and miraculous...
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therefore you could
even lend it to the idea
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that it's a spiritual
gift if He makes you that...
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Greg: But if not...
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Kameron: Exactly, if not... if
it does not come naturally to me
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then that might have been "made"
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but He says, "Make you become"
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which has a
stronger tie to a process...
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a training that goes on
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so, I'm sure that there are many
people who feel ill-equipped
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or actually in reality
might be bad at soul winning
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but being bad at something
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is not evidence that
you should do it less,
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it's evidence...
you should do it more
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and so, we want to
take people who may not
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be called to full-time ministry
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or be the "Missionary"
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in the traditional sense of
going overseas as a full time...
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but every member of the church
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that God has called to
be His Remnant messenger
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should be a missionary in
their context for Jesus Christ
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and so, our job is to help
train and equip every member
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to be a missionary for Jesus.
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Mark: That's right. Greg: Wow!
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So, I'm thinking the
quote that you read was written
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several years ago...
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Greg: Long time ago...
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Jill: So, we're
in the 21st century
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and is evangelism
even relevant today?
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I mean, do people
even come to Christ
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through these methods and...
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That's such an
excellent question
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and because I've been
involved in Evangelism
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I mean, we started
Emmanuel in 2009...
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before that, I
worked at different
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Evangelism training schools
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I went to one myself when
I first came into the faith
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and it's something
you hear very often
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and... and... you
know, it's... it's...
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I can't tell you how
many places I've gone to work
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and people are like, "Aw...
that doesn't work here anymore"
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and I love that
because it's a challenge
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and we just did a training
in Grand Rapids, Michigan,
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we had about 40 people...
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church members from
different area churches
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and we sent them out
just knocking on doors
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and trying to find people
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interested in
studying the Bible.
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Greg: Were some
people scared to death?
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Oh, absolutely... absolutely,
that happens every...
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you know what happens is...
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and I've seen
this time and again
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whether it was at one of
our training session that we do
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on location... we do four months
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or whether I'm going into
a new location for a weekend
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it never fails that
people are petrified to go out
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and when they come back
they're excited and thrilled
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and if you ask them
before they went out
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to knock on doors
or to ask people...
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they're like, "Oh, I
don't want to do that"
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they're scared... but
when they come back...
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we say, "What was
your favorite part?"
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"Oh, it's when we
went out there... "
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Greg: Really? Mark:
Because they see the Lord
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working... Greg: Amen.
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Mark: You know, the Lord
says, "The harvest is plentiful"
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and... and... it's
the laborers who are few
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and so the harvest is out there
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well, anyway, we went out,
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we had probably 40
people who went out
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for a total... I think we had
two different times we went out,
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we probably spent a
total of two to three hours
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actually out...
knocking on doors...
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we had 80 people
sign up for studies.
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Jill: 80 people...
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Mark: 80 people in
that short period of time.
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Jill: Amazing! Greg: Wow!
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Mark: So, people keep telling me
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"Well, this kind
of stuff doesn't work"
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and I think it was
Mark Finley who said,
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"I'm going to let
them keep writing books
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about how it doesn't work
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and I'm going to
keep winning souls" so...
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Greg: I like that.
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Mark: there is some truth
though to why people start to...
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they'll say, "We've
done this thing in our church
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and it didn't work"
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we're not seeing the... and,
of course, that's all subjective
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like, "What does it
mean, 'it didn't work?'"
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They didn't see the
results that they wanted
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but there are reasons for that
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and one of the
primary reasons is when we...
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and this is a very
common thing we misunderstand
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and we define evangelism
as an event that you do...
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Greg: Yeah, true.
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And evangelism is
not an event, it is a...
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we oftentimes refer
to the agricultural cycle
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in fact, I'll let you touch
on that... but it's a lifestyle.
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Greg: Okay.
Kameron: It's a process,
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even when I heard you
talking about it earlier
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when you referenced,
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"We're ought to
learn about evangelism"
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I feared people at
home might be like,
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"Oh, well that
doesn't include me,
00:20:39.80\00:20:41.14
yeah, that's for
the Mark Finley's events
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for the big Evangelists...
that's for the campaign. "
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And many
people... pastors included
00:20:44.91\00:20:47.18
have come to think of evangelism
like Mark was saying as an event
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you go to ask a local church,
00:20:50.95\00:20:52.28
"Have you all done
evangelism lately?"
00:20:52.31\00:20:54.42
And they think banners... public
events and the whole thing
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they have picture in their head
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when in reality, evangelism
is not a one-off singular event
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it's a process that goes through
mirroring the agricultural cycle
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why did Jesus talk about
plants so much in His ministry?
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He did talk about
fish and money and...
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but He would keep
coming back to these themes,
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the soil and the seed
and the crop and the harvest
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and the preserving...
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and you notice that
that was Christ's mindset
00:21:19.84\00:21:22.28
that He had this understanding
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that the growth
of the Kingdom of God
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would be akin to
the agricultural process
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that it would not
be a one-time thing
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it would actually be
an ongoing, recurring
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and ever-widening
and growing process
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and we want to
help get that mentality
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into people's minds
00:21:38.76\00:21:40.10
that evangelism is not
something that someone else does
00:21:40.13\00:21:43.23
at a location on
specific dates...
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that evangelism is a lifestyle,
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it's part of our
DNA as Christians
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and particularly, the
Seventh-day Adventist Christians
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we have a distinct
message to give to the world
00:21:51.81\00:21:53.91
that we have... we have this
opportunity to have this message
00:21:53.94\00:21:58.45
but what we need
are more messengers
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and so, that's
what we're here to do.
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And it's not just...
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it's not just a...
we say, "a lifestyle"
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but there are several components
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just like with the
agricultural cycle,
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if anybody has
ever grown anything...
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any of you Viewers
have ever grown anything,
00:22:10.69\00:22:12.26
you go out... the first
thing you've got to do is,
00:22:12.29\00:22:14.96
you got to till the ground.
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Greg: That's
right... prepare the soil.
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Okay, you prepare the soil so...
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and the reason
you prepare the soil
00:22:19.10\00:22:20.44
is so you can plant the seed
00:22:20.47\00:22:21.80
and then once
you plant the seed,
00:22:21.84\00:22:23.17
you get to cultivate the
seed and once the seed...
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all of these things
are distinct and different,
00:22:24.57\00:22:26.51
once the seed has been
cultivated over the summer
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and you come to
harvest time, right,
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once you harvest, you're
not done with the harvest
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you've got another thing...
00:22:32.15\00:22:33.48
you've got to do something
with the green that you...
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Greg: Preserve it.
00:22:34.88\00:22:36.22
Mark: Yeah, you've
got to preserve it and so,
00:22:36.25\00:22:37.59
you think about it in
terms of the agricultural cycle
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and think of it in terms of
just taking one of those things.
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Okay, the farmer goes
out... tills the ground...
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tills the ground,
tills the ground...
00:22:44.73\00:22:46.49
he goes out in the
fall and he's like,
00:22:46.53\00:22:48.23
"I don't know... I
don't get it, I don't get it,
00:22:48.26\00:22:50.03
I guess, farming
doesn't work anymore
00:22:50.07\00:22:51.53
because I don't have a crop. "
00:22:51.57\00:22:52.90
Well, it would be
ludicrous to do that
00:22:52.93\00:22:55.47
and yet, in the
spiritual application
00:22:55.50\00:22:58.04
preparing the soil to
make the way for the seed,
00:22:58.07\00:23:01.01
Jesus said, "The
seed is the Word of God. "
00:23:01.04\00:23:02.41
So, preparing the soil
is, "What do you do... "
00:23:02.44\00:23:05.55
I mean, listen, we
live in a day and age
00:23:05.58\00:23:07.92
where it's understandable
that people are skeptical
00:23:07.98\00:23:11.92
when you come
knocking on the door
00:23:11.95\00:23:13.29
or even if you see them...
and then invite them in to...
00:23:13.32\00:23:15.39
"You want Bible
Studies or something... "
00:23:15.42\00:23:16.76
and they're like, "Who are you?"
00:23:16.79\00:23:18.13
And so, when Ellen White
talks about Christ's message,
00:23:18.16\00:23:20.73
she talks about He...
00:23:20.76\00:23:22.10
first He won the
confidence of people,
00:23:22.13\00:23:24.13
you go through that...
that soil preparation phase
00:23:24.17\00:23:27.54
so that people are
more open to the seed, okay,
00:23:27.57\00:23:30.84
but the whole reason the
farmer's tilling the ground
00:23:30.87\00:23:33.88
is for the purpose
of planting the seed
00:23:33.91\00:23:36.31
you would never just see the
farmer just out there tilling,
00:23:36.34\00:23:38.51
tilling... tilling... tilling
and never doing anything else,
00:23:38.55\00:23:40.65
but yet, as Christians,
00:23:40.72\00:23:42.25
how many times are we
making friends with people
00:23:42.28\00:23:44.25
which is important
00:23:44.29\00:23:45.65
but we never
introduce something spiritual,
00:23:45.69\00:23:47.59
saying, "I don't know,
they might be offended. "
00:23:47.62\00:23:48.96
Jill: We don't make the bridge.
00:23:48.99\00:23:50.33
We don't make the
bridge to the next...
00:23:50.36\00:23:52.13
or we focus
on... on one phase...
00:23:52.16\00:23:54.80
maybe we're trying to
plant seeds all the time
00:23:54.83\00:23:56.73
but we're never
building the relationships
00:23:56.90\00:23:58.23
to prepare the soil.
00:23:58.27\00:23:59.60
Maybe we're trying to harvest
00:23:59.63\00:24:00.97
and this happens all the time,
00:24:01.00\00:24:02.40
we hold an Evangelistic Meeting
00:24:02.47\00:24:04.11
so now, imagine
it in the reverse,
00:24:04.14\00:24:05.47
well, kind of the
same... the harvest...
00:24:05.51\00:24:07.58
the farmer's looking
for a harvest to crop
00:24:07.61\00:24:09.61
but he never planted anything,
00:24:09.64\00:24:12.11
and he gets a few...
00:24:12.18\00:24:13.52
as one may be interested...
a few wild strawberries...
00:24:13.55\00:24:14.88
so, you can't
neglect one of those pieces
00:24:14.92\00:24:19.42
and then fault evangelism.
00:24:19.45\00:24:20.96
Greg: Right. Jill: It's good.
00:24:20.99\00:24:22.46
And there are churches
who will... who have this...
00:24:22.49\00:24:24.59
"Evangelism-as-an-event
mentality"
00:24:24.63\00:24:27.06
they compartmentalize
it and separate it out
00:24:27.10\00:24:28.93
and then...
they'll kind of review,
00:24:28.96\00:24:30.57
"What shall we do as a church?"
00:24:30.60\00:24:31.93
Because they
want to do something,
00:24:31.97\00:24:33.30
I think there's
an inherent drive
00:24:33.34\00:24:34.67
inside of any born-again
Christian to do something
00:24:34.70\00:24:36.14
but they may not
know exactly what it is,
00:24:36.17\00:24:38.04
and they'll say, "Oh,
we're going to do this... "
00:24:38.07\00:24:39.87
and they'll do
"Felt-Needs Community Outreach"
00:24:39.91\00:24:41.34
which are fantastic
00:24:41.38\00:24:42.71
but then they'll say,
"That is our evangelism"
00:24:42.74\00:24:45.11
or they'll do a
campaign... a big campaign
00:24:45.18\00:24:47.72
or they'll do just
the Bible Study Offers
00:24:47.75\00:24:50.22
and they'll send out, like,
literature and Glow Tracts...
00:24:50.25\00:24:52.32
all of which are good
00:24:52.35\00:24:53.86
but we end up
having a... a method
00:24:53.89\00:24:55.52
where you're
having a few good things
00:24:55.56\00:24:57.46
disconnected from each other
00:24:57.49\00:24:58.83
and the results are
still not significant
00:24:58.86\00:25:01.90
and I think the
rationale behind that
00:25:01.93\00:25:04.20
is that you're
not doing bad things,
00:25:04.23\00:25:06.43
you're just doing a bad process
of tying them all together
00:25:06.47\00:25:09.07
and having... because
you look at that statement,
00:25:09.10\00:25:10.81
"Christ's method alone" right,
00:25:10.84\00:25:12.17
she talks about how
it's Christ's method alone
00:25:12.21\00:25:13.98
that brings true success
00:25:14.01\00:25:15.34
which, by-the-way, that means
there could be false success too
00:25:15.38\00:25:17.85
but if you want
genuine true success,
00:25:17.88\00:25:19.98
you follow these steps
but He mingled with them
00:25:20.02\00:25:22.28
and won their confidence
00:25:22.32\00:25:23.65
and then He bid
them, "Follow me"
00:25:23.69\00:25:25.75
so Christ's method
alone is a process...
00:25:25.79\00:25:28.19
it starts with this... and then
leads to this with a goal of...
00:25:28.22\00:25:31.53
so that each
phase in the process
00:25:31.56\00:25:33.66
is looking forward to the
next phase of the process,
00:25:33.70\00:25:35.70
I prepared that soil
with the expectation...
00:25:35.73\00:25:38.63
I'm getting that
ready for the seed,
00:25:38.67\00:25:40.00
I'm getting those
rows ready for the seed
00:25:40.04\00:25:41.37
and when you put the
seed in, you don't say,
00:25:41.40\00:25:42.87
"All right, that's done,
00:25:42.90\00:25:44.24
I'm looking forward to the
crop so that I can help it grow
00:25:44.27\00:25:46.44
and then I can have a harvest"
00:25:46.47\00:25:47.81
and then you've
got to preserve it
00:25:47.84\00:25:49.18
and then they become in
turn workers in the field
00:25:49.21\00:25:51.91
and so it's a
cycle that never ends.
00:25:51.95\00:25:54.45
So, we've
recognized this in certain...
00:25:54.48\00:25:56.92
we have a history of this myopia
where we have focused on...
00:25:56.95\00:26:00.22
so we did the big
public evangelistic meetings,
00:26:00.26\00:26:02.42
we realized we weren't baptizing
the people we needed to
00:26:02.46\00:26:04.39
and I remember, this has been...
00:26:04.43\00:26:05.79
it was more emphasized,
00:26:05.83\00:26:07.96
it's been...
probably 15... 20 years ago
00:26:08.00\00:26:09.70
where the big
emphasis was "Pre-work"
00:26:09.73\00:26:11.30
we've got to do more pre-work,
00:26:11.33\00:26:12.67
we're not doing the
pre-work and that's why...
00:26:12.70\00:26:14.04
we need to get
Bible Workers and hire...
00:26:14.07\00:26:15.40
Greg: You'll get
a bigger harvest.
00:26:15.44\00:26:16.77
We should do a big
wave to get a bigger harvest
00:26:16.81\00:26:18.47
which is good except
for... we focus on one thing
00:26:18.51\00:26:22.61
and then it was like,
"Well, no, it's not the pre-work
00:26:22.64\00:26:25.78
we need to focus
more on the felt-needs...
00:26:25.81\00:26:28.02
we need to get...
meet people's needs...
00:26:28.05\00:26:29.62
Greg: Would that be like
the cultivating of the seed...
00:26:29.65\00:26:30.99
Kameron: Preparing of the soil.
00:26:31.02\00:26:32.35
Greg: Preparing of
the soil still... okay.
00:26:32.39\00:26:33.72
Okay, and... and
all of that's true
00:26:33.76\00:26:35.92
but it can't exist independently
00:26:35.96\00:26:38.29
and so, independently,
00:26:38.33\00:26:39.66
"Okay, we're going to
have this thing and this thing"
00:26:39.69\00:26:41.13
and then, "Oh it doesn't work"
00:26:41.16\00:26:42.50
and then we have
the... the... for example,
00:26:42.53\00:26:44.50
you have the situations
where people look at the results
00:26:44.53\00:26:47.84
and you hear a common
gripe that people will have is,
00:26:47.87\00:26:51.14
"We did this
evangelistic meeting,
00:26:51.17\00:26:52.51
we baptized all these
people and two years later,
00:26:52.54\00:26:54.08
not one of them
is... is here... "
00:26:54.14\00:26:55.61
Jill: They went
out the back door.
00:26:55.64\00:26:56.98
They went out the back door.
00:26:57.01\00:26:58.35
And so we now have an
emphasis on discipleship
00:26:58.38\00:27:00.28
which is yet
another phase of the cycle
00:27:00.32\00:27:02.72
so we're focusing
on one or the other.
00:27:02.75\00:27:05.12
The problem is...
what happens is...
00:27:05.15\00:27:07.12
like again, you take it
to the agricultural cycle
00:27:07.16\00:27:10.33
and the people will...
they want to fault evangelism
00:27:10.36\00:27:12.59
and say, "Well, we're
not going to do that again,
00:27:12.63\00:27:14.90
evangelism doesn't work. "
00:27:14.93\00:27:16.26
But that's like a farmer
who goes and harvests his field,
00:27:16.30\00:27:18.03
he puts the grain in
one of those big wagons
00:27:18.07\00:27:20.47
and then he goes in and
he sits inside for six months
00:27:20.50\00:27:23.27
and then six
months later he goes,
00:27:23.30\00:27:24.64
"I don't know what happened,
all this grain rotted...
00:27:24.67\00:27:26.14
I mean this... I
don't know this...
00:27:26.17\00:27:27.51
where's all the food that we're
supposed to have from this thing
00:27:27.54\00:27:29.71
it doesn't work anymore. "
00:27:29.74\00:27:31.08
So, you can't blame evangelism,
you've got to look at,
00:27:31.11\00:27:35.85
"Are we really
understanding evangelism
00:27:35.88\00:27:38.42
the way the
Scripture presents it
00:27:38.45\00:27:40.09
or have we just
compartmentalizing it
00:27:40.16\00:27:41.69
the way... I don't know
what's convenient or whatever
00:27:41.72\00:27:43.53
and leaving pieces out?"
00:27:43.56\00:27:45.13
Evangelism is a
cycle and a lifestyle.
00:27:45.16\00:27:47.43
So then, I'm going to take
it then that Emmanuel Institute
00:27:47.46\00:27:50.60
teaches the whole process.
00:27:50.63\00:27:51.97
Mark: Oh absolutely.
00:27:52.00\00:27:53.34
Greg: Yeah, and that's great.
00:27:53.37\00:27:54.70
Mark: And I'll say this,
00:27:54.74\00:27:56.07
we used to do these longer
trainings and it's funny...
00:27:56.10\00:27:58.14
the longest training was
like a four-month program
00:27:58.17\00:28:00.74
and there are still schools out
there and they're good programs
00:28:00.78\00:28:04.55
and I remember, we
go through four months
00:28:04.58\00:28:06.55
and we have students be like,
00:28:06.58\00:28:07.92
"Oh, if we just
had another month,
00:28:07.95\00:28:09.28
we just had another two weeks"
00:28:09.32\00:28:10.65
and we would wrestle,
00:28:10.69\00:28:12.02
"Should we
lengthen the program?"
00:28:12.05\00:28:13.39
But there's a
statement in the book: Education
00:28:13.42\00:28:14.76
that has really
resounded with me,
00:28:14.79\00:28:16.12
now we have really
shifted our programs
00:28:16.16\00:28:18.53
to very shorter
intensives, really targeted...
00:28:18.56\00:28:23.67
because not many church
members can take four months off
00:28:23.70\00:28:26.43
and we want to
impact the local churches
00:28:26.47\00:28:29.34
at the Lay level
00:28:29.37\00:28:31.64
but we would have students
want this longer period of time
00:28:31.67\00:28:34.34
and there's a statement
in the book, "Education"
00:28:34.38\00:28:36.85
it says, "It is in
the water not on land
00:28:36.88\00:28:38.81
that men learn to swim. "
00:28:38.85\00:28:40.18
Jill: I like that.
00:28:40.22\00:28:41.55
And there's only so much
you can learn in a classroom,
00:28:41.58\00:28:43.79
now, in our
classroom, we have...
00:28:43.82\00:28:45.15
we have them going
out... we do practical labor
00:28:45.19\00:28:47.62
but all of that aside,
a person will never learn
00:28:47.66\00:28:50.19
how to be an
effective soul winner
00:28:50.23\00:28:51.76
until they take
the Lord at His word
00:28:51.79\00:28:53.33
and they go out and they say,
"Okay, Lord, I'm going to be...
00:28:53.36\00:28:55.30
I'm going to witness
for you" so you promise...
00:28:55.36\00:28:56.70
what did Jesus say?
00:28:56.73\00:28:58.07
"The Holy Spirit
will come upon you
00:28:58.10\00:28:59.47
and you will be
witnesses unto me. "
00:28:59.53\00:29:01.07
Do we believe that?
00:29:01.10\00:29:02.77
And we receive the Spirit,
we receive the Lord, right
00:29:02.80\00:29:04.91
and so, let's go out in faith
00:29:04.94\00:29:06.34
and the Lord will teach you
and it's a process of becoming
00:29:06.37\00:29:09.74
it doesn't happen overnight,
00:29:09.78\00:29:11.28
I can't tell you how many times
I have put my foot in my mouth,
00:29:11.31\00:29:14.42
said the wrong thing... but
that's how the Lord teaches us
00:29:14.45\00:29:17.09
and somebody
said once that the...
00:29:17.15\00:29:19.59
the biggest problem
new soul winners make
00:29:19.62\00:29:21.82
is not making enough mistakes.
00:29:21.86\00:29:23.19
The biggest mistake
that new soul winners make
00:29:23.22\00:29:24.99
is not making enough mistakes.
00:29:25.03\00:29:26.36
We're afraid we're
going to mess it up,
00:29:26.39\00:29:28.53
the Lord knows
ahead of time when...
00:29:28.56\00:29:30.87
Yes, you're
afraid of doing anything
00:29:30.90\00:29:32.23
because you do
not want to mess up.
00:29:32.27\00:29:33.60
And oftentimes you'll
see this almost lethargy
00:29:33.64\00:29:35.87
or apathy at our local
church and we'll admit,
00:29:35.90\00:29:38.17
"Why is it so lifeless
and everything like this?"
00:29:38.21\00:29:40.18
And we often think
00:29:40.21\00:29:41.54
that what we need is a
fiery preacher to come in
00:29:41.58\00:29:43.58
and a Revival Series or
something... really preach to us
00:29:43.61\00:29:45.88
Mrs. White has repeated counsel
00:29:45.91\00:29:48.38
where she talks about
how our churches are dying
00:29:48.42\00:29:50.89
and the people want a Minister
to come and preach to them
00:29:50.92\00:29:53.32
but that's not the answer
00:29:53.36\00:29:55.02
in fact, this is one
of my favorite statements,
00:29:55.06\00:29:56.39
she says in:
Testimonies for the Church,
00:29:56.42\00:29:57.83
Volume 6,
00:29:57.86\00:29:59.19
it's also found in:
Christian Service, Chapter 5,
00:29:59.23\00:30:00.93
where she says, "It is evident
00:30:00.96\00:30:02.43
that all the sermons
that have been preached
00:30:02.46\00:30:04.40
have not developed a large
class of self-denying workers. "
00:30:04.43\00:30:06.90
She said, "Look
around and listen
00:30:06.94\00:30:08.74
to all the sermons you want
00:30:08.77\00:30:10.31
but is it actually training
people for effective service. "
00:30:10.34\00:30:12.97
She continues, "This
subject is to be considered
00:30:13.01\00:30:15.28
as involving the
most serious results...
00:30:15.31\00:30:17.01
our future for
eternity is at stake.
00:30:17.05\00:30:18.71
The churches are
withering up because
00:30:18.78\00:30:21.28
they have failed to use their
talent in diffusing light. "
00:30:21.32\00:30:24.02
Jill: Hmmm...
00:30:24.09\00:30:25.42
The reason we have churches
is not for a lack of preachers
00:30:25.45\00:30:28.02
and preaching...
00:30:28.06\00:30:29.56
it's for a lack of training
and then working for the Lord
00:30:29.59\00:30:32.63
that there's a
lifeless spirit in there
00:30:32.69\00:30:34.20
and so I believe it that
the Holy Spirit is still...
00:30:34.26\00:30:36.30
still leading His church
00:30:36.33\00:30:38.43
and the Lord has
a blessing to bestow
00:30:38.47\00:30:40.47
if we're willing
to follow His counsel
00:30:40.54\00:30:42.27
and put to use the abilities
00:30:42.30\00:30:43.67
in a minimal... as
they may be at that time
00:30:43.71\00:30:46.14
but develop them for God's glory
00:30:46.17\00:30:48.21
life will return.
00:30:48.24\00:30:49.58
Pastor Mark just mentioned about
some of the training courses
00:30:49.61\00:30:52.48
which will make it
in little more detail
00:30:52.51\00:30:54.08
we're going to have
contact information here
00:30:54.12\00:30:56.12
in a few minutes so get
your pen and paper ready
00:30:56.15\00:30:57.89
because if you're
interested in attending...
00:30:57.92\00:30:59.59
I know there's a lot of
information on your website,
00:30:59.62\00:31:01.26
maybe give that quickly
00:31:01.29\00:31:02.62
so people could
start to look that up
00:31:02.66\00:31:03.99
because that's
where the most recent,
00:31:04.03\00:31:05.36
up-to-date information is at
00:31:05.39\00:31:06.73
then we'll proceed
on, what's the website?
00:31:06.76\00:31:08.10
Yeah, the
website it: www. Emmanuel
00:31:08.13\00:31:10.47
I'm an old guy,
now it anymore...
00:31:10.50\00:31:13.10
http:slash slash...
00:31:13.13\00:31:15.64
www. Emmanuellnstitute
00:31:15.67\00:31:18.17
Emmanuel
00:31:18.21\00:31:19.97
there are a lot of
ways to spell Emmanuel
00:31:20.01\00:31:21.81
Emmanuellnstitute. org
00:31:21.84\00:31:25.38
Okay, and you'll find the most
up-to-date information there
00:31:25.41\00:31:29.48
some of your training
courses and classes and the cost
00:31:29.55\00:31:31.82
and that sort of thing,
that's exciting isn't it?
00:31:31.85\00:31:33.25
It is very exciting... to me to
think of evangelism as a cycle,
00:31:33.29\00:31:37.03
I love that agricultural process
00:31:37.06\00:31:40.86
and to think of that because
I can see in my own experience,
00:31:40.90\00:31:43.87
how I might have focused
on one aspect... the harvest
00:31:43.90\00:31:47.10
or you focus
on... maybe planting
00:31:47.14\00:31:48.74
and you get stuck
in the planting...
00:31:48.77\00:31:50.31
and I love that
concept of the entire cycle
00:31:50.34\00:31:53.71
and that Evangelism
is to be a lifestyle
00:31:53.74\00:31:57.08
so, that's incredible
00:31:57.11\00:31:58.51
but as we think about it,
00:31:58.55\00:31:59.88
method is not the only
thing that's important,
00:31:59.91\00:32:01.78
the message is important so
talk to us about the message.
00:32:01.82\00:32:04.99
Well, it's interesting
00:32:05.05\00:32:07.36
of course, as
Seventh-day Adventists
00:32:07.39\00:32:09.52
you get Three
Angels Broadcasting
00:32:09.56\00:32:11.59
we see, in fact... you
were talking about that
00:32:11.63\00:32:14.46
before I go into
it about Matthew 24.
00:32:14.50\00:32:16.16
Do you mind if I give a
very brief little Bible Study?
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Greg: Please. Jill: Please.
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If you turn your
Bibles, in Matthew chapter 24,
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this is a passage that not
just Seventh-day Adventists
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but all
Christians are familiar with,
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in Matthew Chapter
24, Jesus is talking about
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the signs of the end
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and the approach
of the coming of Jesus
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and He says some
pretty stark things
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about wars and rumors
of wars and all of that...
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you'll find that in
verses 6, 7 and 8 there
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and then it says in verse 9,
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"They'll deliver you up
to tribulation and kill you"
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so it is a pretty
bleak outlook, right?
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But if you go down
to verse 13, it says,
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"But he who endures to
the end, shall be saved. "
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so, clearly the Lord saw
that no matter how tough...
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there will be those
who endure to the end,
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there will be a
remnant who will be there
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and, verse 14, "this
gospel of the kingdom
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will be preached
in all the world,
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as a witness to all nations
and then the end will come. "
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Greg: Hmmm... hmmm...
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So, as He gives this overview...
the synopsis of end-time events,
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that concludes where
there's going to be a group
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who endures to the
end and they will be saved
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and through them the gospel
will be given to the whole world
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and the result:
then the end will come...
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now go to Revelation chapter 14,
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in Revelation
chapter 14 which is where
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Three Angels
Broadcasting Network...
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it's their mission too...
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the entire chapter is simply
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an expounding on
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Matthew 24 verses 13 and 14
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those who endure to
the end will be saved...
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the gospel goes to the world...
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and then Jesus returns
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because in verses 1 through 5,
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it describes the character
of those remnant people...
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the messengers, right?
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And then, starting in verse 6
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you find the
three angels' messages
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and notice what
it says in verse 6:
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"Then I saw another angel
flying in the midst of heaven,
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having the... " what?
the everlasting gospel
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to do what with
it? "To preach... "
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To whom?
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"To those who
dwell on the earth...
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to every nation,
tribe, tongue, and people... "
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it's exactly what Jesus
said would happen, right,
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and then it adds in verse
7, "saying with a loud voice"
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so what he's saying
here is that gospel message
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that would go to the world
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and that's when you get into
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those three
angels' messages, right?
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"Fear God...
give glory to Him...
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for the hour of
His judgment has come"
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notice there there's a tie...
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the gospel includes the
message about the judgment
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it's still the gospel
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right, and he
goes on talking about
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"worship Him who made
the heaven and the earth,
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the sea and the
springs of water. "
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Which is allusion to
the Fourth Commandment
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about the seventh-day Sabbath
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then, verse 8, the fall
of Babylon is talked about
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which is those false doctrines
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that made all the
world wander after the beast
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and then, finally, the warning
against the Mark of the Beast
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in verses 9 through 11
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and it says in verse 12,
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"Here is the
patience of the saints;
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here are those who
keep the commandments of God
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and have the faith of Jesus. "
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That remnant who endure
to the end will be saved
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and what's the
very next thing we see?
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Verse 14... "Then I looked,
and behold, a white cloud,
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and on the cloud sat
One like the Son of Man,
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having on His
head a golden crown,
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and in His hand
a sharp sickle. "
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What is that a reference to?
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It's this return of
Jesus and the second coming.
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So, Revelation chapter 14
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which is where the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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and again Three
Angels Broadcasting Network
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gets its Mission Statement from
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is simply the giving
of the gospel to the world
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in those last days
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so as Seventh-day Adventists,
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of course, we are to
give the gospel to the world
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but it includes that
judgment-hour message,
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that call to faithfulness
to the commandments of God
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and the faith of Jesus
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and the other truths
that have been so overlooked
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and distorted
by this other power
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and so, the
message we have to give is
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not just a simple message
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but it's a
pointed, timely message
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it's not just truth...
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it's Present
Truth... it's here for now.
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Well, and another
thing about... about that is,
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when you take the word "gospel"
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and the word "gospel"
literally means "good news"
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the one thing that's consistent
in a definition of news is...
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news is not
something that's kept quiet,
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news is... news is proclaimed
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and so, the whole idea here is,
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this is a
message that's proclaimed
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and in the context of this,
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you know, in Revelation 14:12,
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"here are they that
keep the commandments of God
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and the faith of Jesus"
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this is something that is
really important to understand
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this whole
"commandments-of-God" thing...
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you know, there
are a lot of believers
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who have learned
that... have been taught that
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the commandments of God
have been done away with
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at the cross...
or what have you...
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and they don't
process this through
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that the commandments of God...
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the Bible says it's sin...
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the gospel is a
divine remedy for sin, okay,
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sin, according to the Bible is
transgression of the Law of God
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the breaking the
commandments of God...
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the Apostle Paul says,
"I would not have known sin
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if I didn't know
the Law" in Romans 7
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The Bible says,
"Where there is no law,
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there is no
transgression" Romans chapter 4
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and so, the Law of
God is what defines sin
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which is this disease
that the gospel is a remedy of
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but if you take the
law away from the picture,
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if the law is done away with...
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where there is no law,
there is no transgression,
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there is no more sickness
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and now the gospel becomes
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a cure for a
disease that doesn't exist
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and then you
have to ask yourself,
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"Then what is this
whole thing about?"
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And it confuses
the character of God
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it can't do anything else...
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if there's no remedy... there's
no disease to be remedied,
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then what is the gospel about?
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So, the message that we
proclaim these three angels...
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puts this gospel in a
setting that brings to view
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the character of God in a
way that nothing else can,
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otherwise, it makes Him
look arbitrary and mysterious
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and so this... the message is
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always going to
be core and central.
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You know, we were
training... it's interesting
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and you talked about, Greg,
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how people get nervous
about sharing their faith
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and what have you
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but here's something that I...
I use this example sometimes
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I have never yet
held a training class
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for guys to tell
them to tell their buddies
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how their team beat their
buddy's team in the Super Bowl.
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In other words, it's
like, "You know, Pastor, I...
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my team just totally wiped out
my friend's team in the big game
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how can I share that with them?"
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Because... and the
point isn't that we don't...
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yeah, we don't naturally
get nervous about some things
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but when you're excited about
the message... it drives you
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and one thing I've
learned in our training
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is one of the most
effective things we do
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as a part of our training
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is go through our
beliefs from Scripture
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where people...
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a lot of people grow up
in the church they grew up in
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and they don't know from
Scripture why they believe
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what they believe
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and boy! when they find out
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you... you... you can
hardly hold them back,
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I mean, there's a
little bit of steering
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like a sail on a
boat but they're moving...
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it's hard to move
a boat with a sail
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when the boat isn't
going anywhere, right,
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and so, when people get
excited about the message,
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the message is always what's
going to drive evangelism.
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Okay, so someone
at home is saying,
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"You know what, I'm not
excited about the message
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how do I get
excited about the message?
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What would you
say to them at home?"
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Come to Emmanuel...
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Come to Emmanuel, amen.
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Watch 3ABN... I
mean, the reality is,
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I've known people that tell me,
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"Pastor, I just... I don't
know how to give a Bible Study"
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I say, "How long have
you been in the church?"
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"10 years... 20
years... 30 years... "
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I said, "Look,
take a printed lesson...
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get some friends
on a Sabbath afternoon
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and say, 'Hey, let's just
practice going over this. '"
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Greg: Wow!
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The reality is, a lot
of people aren't excited
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because they aren't studying
it personally for themselves.
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You have to own it, you know.
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You can hear
it... but hearing...
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this is why all the
sermons preached don't do it,
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there's something
different about you...
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you know, so even... you
watch 3ABN or what have you
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but if you're taking
it and you're taking notes
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and you're applying it
and you're personalizing it,
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that's what gets you
excited about the message.
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Well, listen to this,
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Review and
Herald, October 22, 1889
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one of my favorite statements,
I say that about every statement
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this is one of the best okay.
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"If church members are educated
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to be silent and useless members
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instead of
benefiting the church,
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they will be a hindrance
to its advancement and growth,
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if they're educated to
lean upon the minister,
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they will
become only inefficient
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and demoralized members
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and the church will be powerless
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instead of
active and efficient. "
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Now, that sounds pretty gloomy
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but think about
what it's predicated on,
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"if the church
members are educated
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to be silent and
useless members... "
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that implies... they
didn't come that way,
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everyone... someone who just
became a Seventh-day Adventist
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who just came to an
Evangelistic Series...
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who just had a Bible Study...
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they can't stop talking,
00:40:22.48\00:40:24.09
they'll go to the water cooler
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and the other people
may be talking about sports
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and they're like, "We're talking
about the Mark of the Beast
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brother, and the Sabbath"
they'll just go on and on...
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now, praise the Lord, you
might want to educate them
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how to be more effective
in their witness, right,
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six weeks... they're on fire...
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six months... I mean,
there's still a flame,
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it might... six years... if
they're still here at all...
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Greg: Hmmm... Jill: Yeah.
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I hate to say it but listen,
you're making me think of...
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when I first
came in the church...
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and as... you know,
as I've taught people,
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people are like, they
resound with this story
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that... I
remember coming to church
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and I was just so
excited about sharing
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and I didn't know a
whole lot but I just...
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I felt... I
wanted to share it...
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and I remember people
saying, "Oh, you're just new...
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don't worry, you'll
be like us after a while"
00:41:01.49\00:41:06.59
I was like, "Aaaah... "
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and that's what happens
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we can
acclimate people sometimes
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to a... "that's the
Pastor's job and talent. "
00:41:12.97\00:41:16.17
And then that
statement in which she says,
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"if church
members are educated... "
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and I've never seen a
church in my whole experience
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as a Seventh-day
Adventist which is from birth...
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hold a: How to be a silent and
ineffective church member course
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but sometimes
the education occurs.
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I used to think of it as a...
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Mrs. White talked about,
"Every church should be a
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Training School
for Christian workers"
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I used to think, "You know... "
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and I used to think it
was a powerful line to say,
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"Every church should
be a training center"
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and then it dawned on me,
00:41:39.69\00:41:41.03
"Every church
already is a training center"
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we are
constantly training members,
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either to be effective
or ineffective soul winners
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but the training is ongoing,
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it doesn't have to
be a formal course,
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you just learn it by
osmosis to being a part of it.
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Okay, so our time
is going by quickly,
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so, okay, as we've talked about
the relevancy of evangelism
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and the message
versus the method and stuff
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so, tell me a little bit
about Emmanuel Institute then,
00:42:02.45\00:42:04.82
how am I going to
learn the stuff there,
00:42:04.85\00:42:06.19
tell me a little
about it as you have to say,
00:42:06.22\00:42:08.19
"Man, I want to go there
and experience the courses. "
00:42:08.22\00:42:10.43
Well, as I said, I
mean, you get online
00:42:10.46\00:42:11.86
and we have different... we
have several different courses
00:42:11.89\00:42:14.36
and we focus on
different things,
00:42:14.40\00:42:15.76
like, for
example, last year we had a
00:42:15.83\00:42:17.23
Conference-wide
Evangelism Training
00:42:17.27\00:42:18.60
and we did a... we
did a Speaker training...
00:42:18.63\00:42:21.07
Greg: So you only did
it for the Conference?
00:42:21.10\00:42:22.70
No, no... no... anybody can
sign up and come to the Programs
00:42:22.74\00:42:26.91
that are on our site
00:42:26.94\00:42:28.71
we've had people
from all over the place,
00:42:28.74\00:42:30.28
literally, all over the world.
00:42:30.35\00:42:31.75
Greg: Wow!
00:42:31.78\00:42:33.11
But it's... you
know... you got to...
00:42:33.15\00:42:36.18
each training is
specific to a certain thing
00:42:36.22\00:42:38.49
so we did it... like
the "Speaker Training"
00:42:38.52\00:42:40.72
was specially geared to a person
00:42:40.76\00:42:42.62
who wanted to be a lay preacher
in an evangelistic series,
00:42:42.66\00:42:45.16
but our typical programs
are usually going over the...
00:42:45.19\00:42:47.66
clearing throat... pardon me...
00:42:47.70\00:42:49.60
Greg: Like the
details about the course.
00:42:49.66\00:42:51.43
Kameron: Well, we
have the Bible Study Docs
00:42:51.47\00:42:53.20
we'll cover it...
like you were saying,
00:42:53.23\00:42:54.90
what kind of... lights
that fire and literally
00:42:54.94\00:42:56.71
there is less that
gets people excited
00:42:56.74\00:42:59.01
than knowing what they believe
00:42:59.07\00:43:00.41
and starting to
share what they believe.
00:43:00.44\00:43:01.78
So, the Bible Docs
Program is a huge part of that
00:43:01.81\00:43:04.05
and then that training
of that cycle of evangelism,
00:43:04.08\00:43:06.48
getting that mentality...
walking through each phase
00:43:06.51\00:43:08.82
of where Lay
people could be involved
00:43:08.85\00:43:10.72
in every one of those phases,
00:43:10.75\00:43:12.09
like, teaching them how to...
00:43:12.12\00:43:13.46
like, we're talking
about nuts and bolts,
00:43:13.49\00:43:15.96
we're talking about literally
how to a conversation...
00:43:16.02\00:43:17.99
there are...
and there are people
00:43:18.03\00:43:19.56
who are petrified
to talk to people,
00:43:19.59\00:43:21.23
not just about spiritual
things... about anything.
00:43:21.26\00:43:22.90
Jill: Some people are just shy.
00:43:22.96\00:43:24.63
And they're just
shy how do you...
00:43:24.67\00:43:26.00
how do you break through?
00:43:26.03\00:43:27.37
So you give them
the practical insights,
00:43:27.40\00:43:28.74
here's how to
start up a conversation
00:43:28.77\00:43:30.11
and here's how to transition it
to a spiritual conversation...
00:43:30.14\00:43:32.24
you kind of test
the soil a little bit
00:43:32.27\00:43:33.88
and see if
there's an interest and...
00:43:33.94\00:43:35.48
if there is an
interest, what should I do then
00:43:35.51\00:43:37.28
and how can I get a
Bible-Study interest
00:43:37.31\00:43:39.58
how do I maintain it?
00:43:39.61\00:43:40.95
So all those practical steps
of... "Now I've got this message
00:43:40.98\00:43:44.25
I want to be a messenger,
how do I go about doing that?"
00:43:44.29\00:43:47.06
Emmanuel
Institute does both of those
00:43:47.12\00:43:49.32
and our hope is beyond
training the individual members
00:43:49.36\00:43:54.00
that through them
we'll help train the churches
00:43:54.03\00:43:56.73
that they're a part of
00:43:56.77\00:43:58.10
to become
Training-Center Churches
00:43:58.13\00:43:59.93
because I have been in
a church where they've...
00:43:59.97\00:44:02.00
we've sent people to
the Emmanuel Institute
00:44:02.04\00:44:03.71
and the difference before
they went... and after they went
00:44:03.74\00:44:06.21
was palpable... you
could see it in the church,
00:44:06.24\00:44:08.24
there was a spirit of,
"Let's get out and win souls"
00:44:08.28\00:44:11.18
and they're not waiting
on the Pastor to... like,
00:44:11.21\00:44:14.08
"All right, now we're about to
do some evangelism or whatever"
00:44:14.12\00:44:16.38
they're not waiting for
a Conference initiative,
00:44:16.42\00:44:18.02
they have it within themselves
00:44:18.05\00:44:20.02
and that, I think, is
the ultimate ideals to have,
00:44:20.06\00:44:23.32
every member have
that drive inside of them
00:44:23.36\00:44:25.66
and not just the...
not just the desire for it,
00:44:25.69\00:44:28.10
but the practical training
to put it into practice,
00:44:28.13\00:44:30.53
so that they can go
into their local churches
00:44:30.57\00:44:32.83
and we can see less
dependency on the Pastor
00:44:32.87\00:44:35.20
and more dependency
on Christ and His mission
00:44:35.27\00:44:37.44
through every member.
00:44:37.47\00:44:39.04
Yeah, I have to add
that that when... when...
00:44:39.07\00:44:42.21
one of the things
people fail to keep in mind
00:44:42.24\00:44:44.61
when they're witnessing
and you even mentioned,
00:44:44.65\00:44:46.95
I think one of the most common
challenges people have is,
00:44:46.98\00:44:49.38
"How do I make the transition...
I know how to be a friend,
00:44:49.42\00:44:51.75
how do I get into
spiritual things?"
00:44:51.79\00:44:54.42
And one thing that
we too often forget
00:44:54.46\00:44:57.03
is that the success in that area
00:44:57.06\00:44:59.86
is dependent wholly
upon the Spirit of God,
00:44:59.89\00:45:02.63
a person who is
totally disinterested today
00:45:02.66\00:45:05.33
may be totally
interested tomorrow.
00:45:05.37\00:45:06.87
When I came into my
conversion experience,
00:45:06.90\00:45:09.30
I went from a disinterested
person through life...
00:45:09.37\00:45:11.44
through an event the Lord
took me through in my life
00:45:11.47\00:45:14.88
He totally opened me up to be
interested in spiritual things
00:45:14.91\00:45:18.45
and so, as Christians,
sometimes we get all discouraged
00:45:18.48\00:45:21.15
because I asked my friend
00:45:21.18\00:45:22.52
or I'm trying to talk to my
co-worker about spiritual things
00:45:22.55\00:45:24.55
they're not interested,
00:45:24.62\00:45:26.09
instead of realizing that
they're not interested today...
00:45:26.12\00:45:27.92
Greg: Oooh, that's good.
00:45:27.96\00:45:29.56
And they may...
and we get the idea
00:45:29.59\00:45:31.06
that we've got to
be real preaching...
00:45:31.09\00:45:32.49
I'm doing this kind of...
there's more detail to this
00:45:32.53\00:45:34.90
but it really is as simple as
bringing up something spiritual
00:45:34.93\00:45:38.87
to see if that person is
open to spiritual things.
00:45:38.90\00:45:41.50
I go to my friend
at the water cooler,
00:45:41.54\00:45:42.87
we're talking about the weather,
00:45:42.90\00:45:44.24
he says, "Man,
these storms are terrible"
00:45:44.27\00:45:45.61
I say some things like,
00:45:45.64\00:45:46.98
"You know, my Pastor
just was talking about that...
00:45:47.01\00:45:49.74
something in Bible
prophecy about that
00:45:49.78\00:45:51.25
in our Prayer
Meeting this week. "
00:45:51.28\00:45:52.65
As simple as that,
I'm not preaching to him
00:45:52.68\00:45:54.95
and then, how does he respond?
00:45:54.98\00:45:56.75
He's either going to say,
00:45:56.79\00:45:58.39
"You talk about that stuff
in your church?" and open up
00:45:58.42\00:46:01.59
or he's going to be
like, "You know what?
00:46:01.62\00:46:02.96
I got to get back to my desk. "
00:46:02.99\00:46:04.73
Okay, but just the little...
00:46:04.76\00:46:06.59
we call that,
"throwing out test seeds"
00:46:06.63\00:46:09.10
just say anything spiritual
related to church... prayer...
00:46:09.13\00:46:12.03
Bible Study... anything...
00:46:12.07\00:46:13.40
and see how they respond.
00:46:13.44\00:46:14.77
A month later... he might say,
00:46:14.80\00:46:16.14
"You know a month
ago, you mentioned about...
00:46:16.17\00:46:17.91
you know, hey, can you tell
me a little more about that?"
00:46:17.97\00:46:19.64
Mark: It happens all the
time. Greg: Does it really?
00:46:19.67\00:46:21.04
And that's why we...
00:46:21.08\00:46:22.41
the Spirit of God is
always working on hearts
00:46:22.44\00:46:24.45
and I've had churches, they say,
00:46:24.48\00:46:26.41
"Oh we've already
knocked on doors in our...
00:46:26.45\00:46:27.88
in our neighborhood
00:46:27.95\00:46:29.28
you know, we did
that six months ago. "
00:46:29.32\00:46:30.65
In six months...
everything can change...
00:46:30.69\00:46:32.02
Jill: Oh yeah.
00:46:32.05\00:46:33.39
You're looking for the people,
00:46:33.42\00:46:34.76
you're not going to
get everybody every time,
00:46:34.79\00:46:36.16
you're going to get the people
00:46:36.22\00:46:37.66
the Spirit of God has been
able to grab the attention of
00:46:37.69\00:46:40.33
and that's happening constantly
00:46:40.36\00:46:41.70
and if we just go forward with
confidence... and you mentioned,
00:46:41.73\00:46:44.07
I think earlier we were
talking about family members...
00:46:44.10\00:46:45.43
same way... family members can
be the hardest people to reach
00:46:45.47\00:46:48.57
because they know you
the way you were before
00:46:48.60\00:46:51.97
and they know your
faults and everything...
00:46:52.01\00:46:54.78
but the Lord is still
working and I tell you,
00:46:54.84\00:46:57.55
when people see you as spiritual
00:46:57.58\00:46:59.28
and they're not spiritual,
especially in a family,
00:46:59.31\00:47:01.35
you're the last
person they want to talk to.
00:47:01.38\00:47:03.12
Jill: It's intimidating.
00:47:03.18\00:47:04.52
It's intimidating... it's
just, "I don't want to go there"
00:47:04.55\00:47:06.59
but when something happens
and they need spiritual help
00:47:06.62\00:47:08.72
you know the first person
they're going to go looking for?
00:47:08.76\00:47:10.83
And it will
happen... so I tell people,
00:47:10.86\00:47:12.59
"Don't be afraid
to be spiritual...
00:47:12.63\00:47:14.20
it may be a put off now,
00:47:14.23\00:47:15.56
like, people are
getting put off by that
00:47:15.60\00:47:17.27
but the same people
that are getting put off now,
00:47:17.30\00:47:19.80
they're going to
be coming to you later
00:47:19.83\00:47:21.60
when the Spirit of God is able
to reach through their heart"
00:47:21.64\00:47:24.44
and I'm... again, I've
seen this happen time and again.
00:47:24.47\00:47:27.01
The Lord is always... in fact,
one of my favorite statements
00:47:27.04\00:47:29.04
Ellen White makes
in Evangelism 127 is,
00:47:29.08\00:47:31.71
"There's far more being
done by the universe of heaven
00:47:31.75\00:47:34.22
than we have any idea... so
that souls will be converted. "
00:47:34.28\00:47:37.19
Greg: Wow, praise the Lord,
we have heaven on our side.
00:47:37.22\00:47:39.25
Mark: That's exactly right.
00:47:39.32\00:47:40.66
Kameron: Wow,
it's absolutely true.
00:47:40.69\00:47:42.22
I'm so encouraged
as I listen to this
00:47:42.26\00:47:43.89
just to see what God is
doing in the Michigan Conference
00:47:43.93\00:47:47.13
but what God can do
in each one of our hearts
00:47:47.16\00:47:49.20
you know, how He
can transform our lives
00:47:49.23\00:47:51.37
and our churches,
so, Pastor Kameron,
00:47:51.40\00:47:53.30
maybe this is a
little more for you...
00:47:53.34\00:47:54.80
I know we're
focusing on Emmanuel Institute
00:47:54.84\00:47:56.81
and what God is
doing there in the training
00:47:56.84\00:47:58.77
but what training are you doing
00:47:58.81\00:48:00.64
throughout the
Michigan Conference
00:48:00.68\00:48:02.44
or what resources
00:48:02.48\00:48:03.81
or what are you all involved in
00:48:03.85\00:48:05.41
for training
churches for evangelism?
00:48:05.45\00:48:07.38
Well, to be clear, this
is my second week on the job
00:48:07.42\00:48:09.58
so it's limited right now
00:48:09.62\00:48:11.32
no... but the
Personal Ministries Department
00:48:11.35\00:48:13.29
has existed long
before I was there
00:48:13.32\00:48:15.26
and they definitely see,
00:48:15.29\00:48:17.19
in partnership with
the Emmanuel Institute
00:48:17.23\00:48:18.93
and other
trainings in our Conferences
00:48:18.99\00:48:20.50
that training of Lay people
is one of our primary goals,
00:48:20.53\00:48:23.77
that's... we want to
make sure that that happens
00:48:23.83\00:48:25.37
and also providing resources
for those different avenues
00:48:25.40\00:48:28.84
so, we think of the
Discipleship Handbook
00:48:28.87\00:48:31.17
that was recently produced
00:48:31.21\00:48:32.54
starting in the
Michigan Conference
00:48:32.57\00:48:34.18
and soon will be launched as
a General Conference Resource.
00:48:34.21\00:48:36.44
Jill: And what is that about?
00:48:36.48\00:48:37.81
That is... about
that very question
00:48:37.85\00:48:39.65
whenever you have
that great harvest of souls
00:48:39.71\00:48:41.38
and then they... because that's
how this happens oftentimes
00:48:41.42\00:48:43.99
so, you'll have a big event
and new people will come in,
00:48:44.02\00:48:46.52
they're excited
by the event itself
00:48:46.55\00:48:47.89
and the messages are
stirring and convicting
00:48:47.92\00:48:49.46
and they give
their hearts to the Lord
00:48:49.49\00:48:50.93
and the next week
the banners come down...
00:48:50.99\00:48:52.36
the evangelist goes away
and it's back to routine...
00:48:52.39\00:48:54.26
and their stage is different
00:48:54.30\00:48:55.76
and lo and behold, six
months later or a year later
00:48:55.80\00:48:59.77
half of them are gone
00:48:59.80\00:49:01.14
and people will still say,
00:49:01.17\00:49:02.50
"Well, that's evidence
that evangelism doesn't work. "
00:49:02.54\00:49:04.67
The problem is that we stopped
short of the finish line.
00:49:04.71\00:49:07.54
We should stop looking at
baptism and church membership
00:49:07.58\00:49:10.31
as... "Now, we've
won... woo... hooo... "
00:49:10.35\00:49:11.68
Mark: Hmmm... hmmm...
00:49:11.71\00:49:13.05
Kameron: No, no, no,
no, what happens now is,
00:49:13.08\00:49:14.42
we need to take them
through, what does it mean?
00:49:14.45\00:49:16.38
Because they might have heard
one message on the 2,300 days
00:49:16.42\00:49:19.02
or the seventh-day Sabbath
00:49:19.05\00:49:20.39
and they... they understood it,
00:49:20.42\00:49:22.36
they made an intellectual
assent... an agreement
00:49:22.39\00:49:24.56
but it hasn't been woven
into their life yet... right...
00:49:24.59\00:49:27.53
they don't know
it for themselves,
00:49:27.56\00:49:28.90
they don't know
the church history,
00:49:28.93\00:49:30.27
they don't know their place
in this great prophetic movement
00:49:30.30\00:49:32.20
they don't know the
skills to share effectively
00:49:32.23\00:49:34.94
and so, it's little
wonder that if we... poof...
00:49:34.97\00:49:37.61
they fall of a cliff... and so
we want to establish a handbook,
00:49:37.67\00:49:40.21
this is one of the many
resources that have been
00:49:40.24\00:49:42.18
and will be
developed to help new members
00:49:42.21\00:49:44.31
and all members... be better,
effective disciples of Jesus.
00:49:44.35\00:49:48.12
Well, it teaches
existing members...
00:49:48.15\00:49:49.75
this isn't
something that "Pastor does"
00:49:49.78\00:49:51.29
it teaches existing
members how to disciple
00:49:51.35\00:49:53.86
and usually we'd try
to connect the member
00:49:53.89\00:49:55.99
who was a friend of
that person who came in
00:49:56.02\00:49:58.06
and it teaches them how to
disciple them into the church.
00:49:58.09\00:50:00.86
Kameron: Right, there's a
mentorship that's involved.
00:50:00.90\00:50:02.70
It's
systematic... very practical.
00:50:02.73\00:50:04.07
Kameron: Absolutely.
00:50:04.10\00:50:05.43
We're almost out of time
but can you give me 45 seconds
00:50:05.47\00:50:07.34
on BibleStudyOffer. com
00:50:07.37\00:50:08.70
and what is that all about.
00:50:08.74\00:50:10.11
All right, BibleStudyOffer.
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00:50:10.14\00:50:13.31
BibleStudyOffer. com
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00:50:14.98\00:50:19.21
commitments for Bible Studies...
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00:50:20.62\00:50:21.95
in studying the Bible.
00:50:21.98\00:50:23.32
Action online portal...
00:50:23.35\00:50:24.69
Yeah, it's a portal... and so
different than some other ones,
00:50:24.72\00:50:27.86
which are fine
in their own regard,
00:50:27.89\00:50:29.22
they're not just...
you take the course online
00:50:29.26\00:50:31.09
or you send off
our mailed-in offers
00:50:31.13\00:50:33.29
what happens is,
BibleStudyOffer. com
00:50:33.33\00:50:35.43
if someone logs in to
the computer and says,
00:50:35.46\00:50:37.00
"I would like this Bible Study"
00:50:37.03\00:50:38.43
what happens is, they
get a knock on their door
00:50:38.47\00:50:41.00
from a local church
member near their home
00:50:41.04\00:50:43.81
with their
materials they've requested
00:50:43.84\00:50:46.37
saying, "Hi, I'm
with BibleStudyOffer. com
00:50:46.44\00:50:49.11
you wanted these 'It
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00:50:49.14\00:50:51.81
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00:50:51.85\00:50:54.22
I'm here to help
you with this... "
00:50:54.25\00:50:55.58
and they can choose whether
they want to do it personally
00:50:55.62\00:50:57.79
by themselves...
00:50:57.82\00:50:59.15
or they'd like to do it
one-on-one with a partner
00:50:59.19\00:51:01.19
or if they want to do
it in a small-group setting
00:51:01.22\00:51:03.16
most of them will
probably do it just on their own
00:51:03.19\00:51:04.83
and that's fine
00:51:04.86\00:51:06.19
but we can still drop
them off and then in exchange,
00:51:06.23\00:51:08.16
get to know them a little bit
00:51:08.20\00:51:09.53
and the goal is to...
00:51:09.56\00:51:10.90
not just have every
member be a missionary
00:51:10.93\00:51:13.07
but have every
church to be a Bible School
00:51:13.10\00:51:15.54
for their surrounding community,
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so, BibleStudyOffer.
com is a powerful resource
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that's helping
make that a reality.
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Amen... there's so much more
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I just feel like we need several
hours to be sitting here.
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Greg: We just
touched the surface.
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Jill: We will come
back in a few moments
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with some closing thoughts
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from each one
of our Pastors here
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but right now, we
want to put up the address
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for Emmanuel Institute.
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We hope and pray
you have been energized
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and excited and inspired
to get out and work for Jesus
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so if you would like
to financially support
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what takes place there or
if you want to get involved,
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here's how you can do just that.
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Music.
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To support the
Emmanuel Institute of Evangelism
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in their efforts to
recapture the missionary spirit
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of the early Christian church
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by training members to
become active soul winners,
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please visit their
website, Emmanuellnstitute. org
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there you will find information
on all their programs
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and you'll be able
to register online.
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The website again is:
Emmanuellnstitute. org
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you may also call
them at: 517-316-1578
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or write to them at
Emmanuel Institute of Evangelism
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Post Office Box 36
Edmore, Michigan 48829
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Music...
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