I want to spend my life 00:00:01.36\00:00:07.34 Mending broken people 00:00:07.37\00:00:12.44 I want to spend my life 00:00:12.47\00:00:18.65 Removing pain 00:00:18.68\00:00:23.55 Lord, let my words 00:00:23.59\00:00:29.89 Heal a heart that hurts 00:00:29.92\00:00:34.30 I want to spend my life 00:00:34.33\00:00:40.07 Mending broken people 00:00:40.10\00:00:45.67 I want to spend my life 00:00:45.71\00:00:51.21 Mending broken people 00:00:51.25\00:00:56.02 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn 00:01:09.96\00:01:11.30 and we welcome you once again to 3ABN Today, 00:01:11.33\00:01:14.27 we're so glad that you've tuned in. 00:01:14.30\00:01:16.71 And I do want to say upfront, 00:01:16.74\00:01:19.34 today we will be introducing a new program 00:01:19.37\00:01:23.65 and we will be talking about purity, 00:01:23.68\00:01:26.51 sexual purity, if you will. 00:01:26.55\00:01:29.62 One thing that we know is that God's standard 00:01:29.65\00:01:33.09 is celibacy before marriage and monogamy after marriage. 00:01:33.12\00:01:37.59 If you feel your child may be a little too young 00:01:37.63\00:01:40.26 for this discussion 00:01:40.30\00:01:41.90 then, we believe 00:01:41.93\00:01:43.70 it's going to be tame and biblical, 00:01:43.73\00:01:46.23 but if you do not want your younger children to hear this, 00:01:46.27\00:01:50.57 you may want to take them out of the room. 00:01:50.61\00:01:53.41 Today, I have to go ahead before I do anything else 00:01:53.44\00:01:57.15 and introduce our guests. 00:01:57.18\00:01:59.05 And our guests are, 00:01:59.08\00:02:00.65 we have Jennifer Jill Schwirzer, 00:02:00.68\00:02:02.92 excuse me. 00:02:02.95\00:02:04.29 Jen, you are an author. 00:02:04.32\00:02:07.19 I think God has given you an amazing gift, 00:02:07.22\00:02:11.96 in the way, in which you express yourself. 00:02:11.99\00:02:14.26 Thank you. 00:02:14.30\00:02:15.63 You are beautiful soul and a strong Christian 00:02:15.66\00:02:18.83 and I love, every time you post or write anything, 00:02:18.87\00:02:23.07 I love to read what you've written. 00:02:23.10\00:02:25.14 God's given you great insight. 00:02:25.17\00:02:26.94 But you're also a musician, you have some CDs out. 00:02:26.98\00:02:31.95 But you are a licensed professional counselor. 00:02:31.98\00:02:35.22 And I think most people are, one of our, 00:02:35.25\00:02:38.49 the favorite programs on 3ABN is a Multitude of Counselors 00:02:38.52\00:02:42.06 which you have been hosting for couple of seasons. 00:02:42.09\00:02:44.66 We just want to thank you for all you do for the Lord. 00:02:44.69\00:02:47.66 Praise God. 00:02:47.70\00:02:49.03 It's great to be here and I enjoy my time at 3ABN. 00:02:49.06\00:02:51.73 So I'm glad to be here. Yeah. Thank you so much... 00:02:51.77\00:02:53.23 for everything you do. 00:02:53.27\00:02:54.64 Then we also have with us, Jason Bradley, 00:02:54.67\00:02:57.61 and he is Dare to Dream's assistant to the president. 00:02:57.64\00:03:03.35 Is that correct? To the general manager. 00:03:03.38\00:03:05.08 To the general manager. 00:03:05.11\00:03:06.92 Well, okay, we'll make her pres. 00:03:06.95\00:03:09.15 But... It sounds good. 00:03:09.18\00:03:10.52 Tell us who the general manager is. 00:03:10.55\00:03:12.95 That is a woman that I have known 00:03:12.99\00:03:15.02 for roughly 32 years now. 00:03:15.06\00:03:17.63 Coming up on 32 years, my mom. 00:03:17.66\00:03:20.80 And Dr. Yvonne Lewis-Shelton, I believe, 00:03:20.83\00:03:24.27 it is so amazing to see how God took a little seed 00:03:24.30\00:03:29.14 and when, boy, when your mom arrived, 00:03:29.17\00:03:32.11 that thing, the trajectory of Dare to Dream 00:03:32.14\00:03:34.68 has been incredible. 00:03:34.71\00:03:36.04 If you haven't watched it, you want to see Dare to Dream. 00:03:36.08\00:03:39.38 I want to read a scripture to you, 00:03:39.41\00:03:41.65 then we're going to go to a song 00:03:41.68\00:03:43.05 because once, I don't want to get started 00:03:43.08\00:03:44.92 and then break this up. 00:03:44.95\00:03:46.45 But let me read to you, 1 Corinthians 6:18-20. 00:03:46.49\00:03:51.89 Paul is writing to the Corinthian church, 00:03:51.93\00:03:54.53 where there was quiet a bit, 00:03:54.56\00:03:58.27 it was a very problematic church, 00:03:58.30\00:04:00.24 they were coming out of a pagan background 00:04:00.27\00:04:03.61 where they had temple prostitution, 00:04:03.64\00:04:05.64 there were some bad things going on in Corinth. 00:04:05.67\00:04:08.94 So he is writing to this church, 00:04:08.98\00:04:11.45 and here's what his advice is in his instructions. 00:04:11.48\00:04:15.88 In 1 Corinthians 6:18-20. 00:04:15.92\00:04:18.69 "Flee sexual immorality. 00:04:18.72\00:04:22.19 Every sin that a man does is outside the body, 00:04:22.22\00:04:25.29 but he who commits sexual immorality 00:04:25.33\00:04:28.10 sins against his own body. 00:04:28.13\00:04:31.37 Or do you not know 00:04:31.40\00:04:32.73 that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit 00:04:32.77\00:04:35.50 who is in you, 00:04:35.54\00:04:36.87 whom you have from God, 00:04:36.91\00:04:39.41 and you are not your own? 00:04:39.44\00:04:41.91 For you were bought at a price. 00:04:41.94\00:04:45.11 Therefore glorify God in your body 00:04:45.15\00:04:48.92 and in your spirit, which are God's." 00:04:48.95\00:04:51.65 If you are not a Christian and you're tuning in, 00:04:51.69\00:04:54.66 the price that we were purchased with 00:04:54.69\00:04:58.66 is the precious life blood of Jesus Christ, 00:04:58.69\00:05:02.03 the son of God. 00:05:02.06\00:05:03.57 And that gives you great value. 00:05:03.60\00:05:05.73 You're worth nothing less than the price that He paid. 00:05:05.77\00:05:09.17 So we want you to stay tuned to hear 00:05:09.20\00:05:12.01 about this exciting new program. 00:05:12.04\00:05:14.08 It's gonna be groundbreaking really. 00:05:14.11\00:05:16.51 But stay tuned to hear about Intimate Clarity 00:05:16.54\00:05:20.48 and we will also be talking about God's ideal standard 00:05:20.52\00:05:24.65 and it is to give us the greatest pleasure. 00:05:24.69\00:05:28.36 It is what God designed for us. 00:05:28.39\00:05:31.53 But first, we've got our own president 00:05:31.56\00:05:34.26 and founder of 3ABN who will be singing for us, 00:05:34.30\00:05:38.90 this is Danny Shelton 00:05:38.93\00:05:40.67 and this is the song that he wrote, 00:05:40.70\00:05:43.24 and it's called "All my praise". 00:05:43.27\00:05:45.07 All my praise 00:05:58.92\00:06:03.36 I give you all my praise 00:06:03.39\00:06:11.13 That's all I have 00:06:11.17\00:06:15.80 To offer you 00:06:15.84\00:06:21.68 I now build a sanctuary 00:06:21.71\00:06:27.92 Deep within my heart 00:06:27.95\00:06:33.25 And all my praise 00:06:33.29\00:06:37.26 I offer up to you 00:06:37.29\00:06:42.63 I love you Lord 00:06:45.63\00:06:49.40 O, how I love you Lord 00:06:49.44\00:06:57.38 I bear my heart 00:06:57.41\00:07:01.28 And soul to you 00:07:01.32\00:07:07.99 I am an empty broken vessel 00:07:08.02\00:07:13.09 Filled with hurt and pain inside 00:07:13.13\00:07:18.47 Still I offer up 00:07:18.50\00:07:22.60 All my praise to you 00:07:22.64\00:07:28.68 Fill me, Lord 00:07:31.51\00:07:35.62 O, please fill me Lord 00:07:35.65\00:07:43.56 With your Holy Spirit 00:07:43.59\00:07:48.00 Fill me now 00:07:48.03\00:07:54.20 Before I long for your anointing 00:07:54.24\00:08:00.21 That I may work for you 00:08:00.24\00:08:06.11 Fill me Lord 00:08:06.15\00:08:09.42 Touch me Lord just now 00:08:09.45\00:08:14.72 All my praise 00:08:17.53\00:08:22.10 I give you all my praise 00:08:22.13\00:08:30.07 That's all I have 00:08:30.11\00:08:34.61 To offer you 00:08:34.64\00:08:40.42 I now build a sanctuary 00:08:40.45\00:08:46.29 So deep within my heart 00:08:46.32\00:08:52.83 All my praise 00:08:52.86\00:08:56.00 I offer up to you 00:08:56.03\00:09:02.44 All and all my praise 00:09:02.47\00:09:07.18 I offer up to you 00:09:07.21\00:09:13.88 Oh, thank you, Danny. 00:09:22.99\00:09:24.33 I love to hear Danny sing because he's a music minister. 00:09:24.36\00:09:30.27 He always ministers to me in a song. 00:09:30.30\00:09:33.10 Well, if you are just joining us, 00:09:33.13\00:09:35.14 our special guests today are Jennifer Jill Schwirzer 00:09:35.17\00:09:38.24 and Jason Bradley and we're very excited. 00:09:38.27\00:09:41.61 These two are co-host for a new program 00:09:41.64\00:09:44.85 that will be launching in July, 00:09:44.88\00:09:47.72 and that program is called Intimate Clarity. 00:09:47.75\00:09:51.99 Now, let me say this, Intimate Clarity 00:09:52.02\00:09:55.52 as I mentioned earlier, is a ground breaking series. 00:09:55.56\00:09:58.83 We will be touching on some topics, 00:09:58.86\00:10:00.70 we really not, Bible topics, 00:10:00.73\00:10:03.47 but we'll be touching on topics 00:10:03.50\00:10:06.10 that we have not discussed before 00:10:06.13\00:10:08.50 and let me tell you why. 00:10:08.54\00:10:11.14 If we don't understand the biblical perspective, 00:10:11.17\00:10:17.41 if we don't teach our children 00:10:17.45\00:10:20.88 the biblical perspective on sexuality, 00:10:20.92\00:10:24.59 the world will. 00:10:24.62\00:10:25.95 In fact, they have stolen the narrative because 00:10:25.99\00:10:29.36 there has been many generations that had been long silent 00:10:29.39\00:10:33.80 and children are growing up, they're curious, 00:10:33.83\00:10:36.83 they're confused about sex, 00:10:36.87\00:10:39.23 but what happens is in the vacuum, 00:10:39.27\00:10:43.17 the world comes in with its deviant behavior. 00:10:43.20\00:10:46.24 I want to share a story with you 00:10:46.27\00:10:48.78 and I wanted to share this directly 00:10:48.81\00:10:50.68 with the people at home because this is something 00:10:50.71\00:10:52.58 that really made an impact on me. 00:10:52.61\00:10:55.05 When we were in Houston, we were at a church, 00:10:55.08\00:10:59.69 this was before I became an Adventist 00:10:59.72\00:11:02.32 and it was a nondenominational church, 00:11:02.36\00:11:04.93 and I went to the pastor and said, 00:11:04.96\00:11:06.59 "We really need to do a program to teach 00:11:06.63\00:11:09.66 the benefits of virginity. 00:11:09.70\00:11:11.03 Why does God even ask us to remain chaste, 00:11:11.07\00:11:15.14 and teach this to our youth?" 00:11:15.17\00:11:17.41 He said, "Go for it." 00:11:17.44\00:11:18.77 So we began this program and I'll never forget, 00:11:18.81\00:11:22.14 as I am instructing and I got to Malachi 2:15, 00:11:22.18\00:11:26.65 that I was talking, which says that 00:11:26.68\00:11:28.95 one of the reasons God made us, one man or one, 00:11:28.98\00:11:33.32 the male and female as one, 00:11:33.36\00:11:35.59 is because He wanted godly offspring. 00:11:35.62\00:11:38.66 And as I was explaining that, 00:11:38.69\00:11:41.36 there was a little 12 year old girl, 00:11:41.40\00:11:43.70 who just broke down sobbing 00:11:43.73\00:11:46.80 and she started toward the back of the room, 00:11:46.84\00:11:49.84 then she began running and I ran out after her. 00:11:49.87\00:11:52.77 And I was talking with her, 00:11:52.81\00:11:54.88 her parents were regular members, 00:11:54.91\00:11:57.48 strong Christian family, sweet little child. 00:11:57.51\00:12:01.18 And you know what? 00:12:01.22\00:12:02.55 As I began to calm her down and talk to her, 00:12:02.58\00:12:05.15 what she said to me, 00:12:05.19\00:12:07.39 "I didn't know, I didn't know it, 00:12:07.42\00:12:11.33 I've already become sexually active 00:12:11.36\00:12:13.86 and I didn't know that I was supposed to be a virgin." 00:12:13.90\00:12:18.03 Wow! And you are saying, 00:12:18.07\00:12:20.80 child of God. 00:12:20.84\00:12:22.87 Is that not powerful? 00:12:22.90\00:12:24.37 And so I prayed with her, I explained, 00:12:24.41\00:12:27.18 God, we can confess this, 00:12:27.21\00:12:28.88 He will cleanse you of all unrighteous, 00:12:28.91\00:12:30.55 He can make you a spiritual virgin once again. 00:12:30.58\00:12:34.18 But once you had that experience, 00:12:34.22\00:12:37.59 there is a certain... 00:12:37.62\00:12:39.79 I mean, you can't go back physically, can you? 00:12:39.82\00:12:42.42 So let's just explain 00:12:42.46\00:12:46.43 a little about Intimate Clarity. 00:12:46.46\00:12:48.30 Now this is a program, we have a tagline for it. 00:12:48.33\00:12:50.93 Intimate Clarity will be a program that we say, 00:12:50.97\00:12:55.04 it's a tough topic, 00:12:55.07\00:12:56.50 but it's a conversation we need to have. 00:12:56.54\00:12:59.67 Absolutely! 00:12:59.71\00:13:01.04 And it is not age appropriate for younger children, 00:13:01.08\00:13:04.55 so we do have a disclaimer on this program, 00:13:04.58\00:13:07.35 but it is something that even I know 00:13:07.38\00:13:10.82 that I learned some things 00:13:10.85\00:13:12.19 as we've been going through this from you. 00:13:12.22\00:13:14.22 Me too. Me too. 00:13:14.26\00:13:16.29 So tell us first, let's just kind of set up the program, 00:13:16.32\00:13:20.86 what the format is 00:13:20.90\00:13:24.70 and let's talk about the content, just a little. 00:13:24.73\00:13:27.74 Can I start with the thought 00:13:27.77\00:13:29.27 that follows the thought that you just... 00:13:29.30\00:13:30.64 Oh, absolutely. 00:13:30.67\00:13:32.01 So I just want to say that there is kind of two extremes, 00:13:32.04\00:13:33.81 one extreme is too much information for kids too young. 00:13:33.84\00:13:37.31 And I think a lot of conservative Christians 00:13:37.35\00:13:39.38 are coming from that place. 00:13:39.41\00:13:40.75 They see how the world just over exposes kids. 00:13:40.78\00:13:42.85 I, as a counselor, 00:13:42.88\00:13:44.22 if I hear that a parent is letting a child view 00:13:44.25\00:13:47.36 R rated content, I will call that parent out 00:13:47.39\00:13:49.89 and say, "You know, that's a form of abuse 00:13:49.92\00:13:52.36 to put that in front of your child." 00:13:52.39\00:13:54.46 So too much information is an issue, 00:13:54.50\00:13:57.33 but there is another extreme 00:13:57.37\00:13:59.00 and that's not enough information 00:13:59.03\00:14:00.84 and we're because for mostly ministering 00:14:00.87\00:14:03.10 to a conservative Christian audience, 00:14:03.14\00:14:05.11 we affirm that the too much information 00:14:05.14\00:14:06.91 approach is a problem, but we also want to say, 00:14:06.94\00:14:09.98 not enough information is a problem as well. 00:14:10.01\00:14:12.11 And we want to equip parents 00:14:12.15\00:14:14.32 to be able to instruct their children. 00:14:14.35\00:14:16.22 So I just want to make that point. 00:14:16.25\00:14:17.75 Absolutely. And let's talk about... 00:14:17.79\00:14:20.82 I want to show you a picture of the set 00:14:20.86\00:14:22.36 because we're really excited about this new set. 00:14:22.39\00:14:24.76 It is bright and it's airy and we did this on purpose 00:14:24.79\00:14:27.93 because with a lot of light 00:14:27.96\00:14:29.60 because God created us 00:14:29.63\00:14:34.97 in such a way that He created us, 00:14:35.00\00:14:37.47 He is the author of marriage and He created us with, 00:14:37.51\00:14:41.14 we'll talk about brain chemistry 00:14:41.18\00:14:42.78 in just a moment. 00:14:42.81\00:14:44.15 But He created us to enjoy a intimate physical bonding, 00:14:44.18\00:14:50.35 a sexual intimacy in the context of marriage. 00:14:50.39\00:14:54.29 Of a relationship, bonded, lasting relationship. 00:14:54.32\00:14:56.32 Of this bonded relationship that would bring us much joy. 00:14:56.36\00:15:00.26 As a matter of fact, you know, that the word Eden, 00:15:00.30\00:15:02.83 Garden of Eden actually in the Hebrew means pleasure, 00:15:02.86\00:15:05.67 the garden of pleasure. 00:15:05.70\00:15:07.07 Wow! No, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. 00:15:07.10\00:15:08.57 That's pretty radical right there. 00:15:08.60\00:15:09.94 It is when you think about it. 00:15:09.97\00:15:11.67 And He created marriage there. Yeah. 00:15:11.71\00:15:13.98 But so we don't want to you know, 00:15:14.01\00:15:16.28 sometimes I was talking with a lot of younger people 00:15:16.31\00:15:19.11 and I say, younger in 25 to 35 year range, 00:15:19.15\00:15:22.72 and I was shocked when they were up, 00:15:22.75\00:15:25.05 when I ask, "How did your parents 00:15:25.09\00:15:27.02 discuss this with you?" 00:15:27.06\00:15:28.39 They never told me anything. 00:15:28.42\00:15:30.03 And a lot of people said, 00:15:30.06\00:15:31.39 they've learned everything that they knew 00:15:31.43\00:15:33.76 from the world's deviant 00:15:33.80\00:15:37.40 twisted distorted picture of it. 00:15:37.43\00:15:39.83 Some came away with the idea... 00:15:39.87\00:15:41.74 Tragic, yeah. It's a dirty act. 00:15:41.77\00:15:43.64 And that's tragic as well. 00:15:43.67\00:15:45.41 You know, I solve that problem 00:15:45.44\00:15:47.41 in a really straight forward way. 00:15:47.44\00:15:49.41 I learned sex education in the wrong way. 00:15:49.44\00:15:51.68 Well, not totally the wrong way, 00:15:51.71\00:15:53.05 but through public school and I remember sitting there, 00:15:53.08\00:15:56.72 listening and getting overwhelmed with the content 00:15:56.75\00:15:59.79 'cause it wasn't put in any kind of 00:15:59.82\00:16:01.16 moral or spiritual context. 00:16:01.19\00:16:02.69 I remember they started talking about abortion 00:16:02.72\00:16:04.89 and I got so overwhelmed and viscerally I got sick, 00:16:04.93\00:16:08.53 basically I was 16 years old, 00:16:08.56\00:16:10.13 I ended up with my head on my mom's lap. 00:16:10.17\00:16:13.03 So I went through that and then as a Christian parent now, 00:16:13.07\00:16:15.70 Bible believing, a follower of Jesus, 00:16:15.74\00:16:17.87 thought about raising my own kids and I thought, 00:16:17.91\00:16:19.47 well, I don't know quite how to do this, 00:16:19.51\00:16:21.51 but I am just gonna read them the Bible stories 00:16:21.54\00:16:23.35 or tell them every single Bible story 00:16:23.38\00:16:25.21 all the way through the Bible. 00:16:25.25\00:16:26.58 So I started with Genesis 00:16:26.61\00:16:27.95 and went straight through the Bible 00:16:27.98\00:16:29.55 and just kind of read the stories myself 00:16:29.58\00:16:31.82 and then paraphrase them for my kids. 00:16:31.85\00:16:33.69 But isn't the Bible a Victorian, doctor? 00:16:33.72\00:16:35.82 No, the Bible is not Victorian at all. 00:16:35.86\00:16:38.76 It gives you stories in the Bible. 00:16:38.79\00:16:40.70 But the difference between those things 00:16:40.73\00:16:44.17 put in the context of the biblical narrative 00:16:44.20\00:16:46.60 and what we see in the world is that the world glorifies sin. 00:16:46.63\00:16:50.41 It says, look at this wonderful thing 00:16:50.44\00:16:52.11 and there is no consequences, it basically lies to children 00:16:52.14\00:16:55.31 and to adults about 00:16:55.34\00:16:56.81 whether these things have consequences or not. 00:16:56.85\00:16:59.11 And in the biblical narrative, 00:16:59.15\00:17:00.58 you see the consequences right there. 00:17:00.62\00:17:02.18 Amen. 00:17:02.22\00:17:03.55 And you see the sadness and the tragedy that accompany 00:17:03.59\00:17:06.59 going outside of God's plan. 00:17:06.62\00:17:08.46 So I would just read the stories to my kids, 00:17:08.49\00:17:10.53 tell the stories to my kids and they would ask me questions 00:17:10.56\00:17:12.96 like, "Mom, what's a harlot?" 00:17:12.99\00:17:15.36 And I give them an age appropriate answer, 00:17:15.40\00:17:17.17 not too much information, 00:17:17.20\00:17:19.13 but enough to where they understood 00:17:19.17\00:17:21.57 essentially what that was, that's how I taught them 00:17:21.60\00:17:24.37 about sexuality in the context of biblical narrative. 00:17:24.41\00:17:28.18 You know what, as a person without kids, 00:17:28.21\00:17:29.88 I don't have kids, but and I'm not married, 00:17:29.91\00:17:32.41 but, you know, when I do get married 00:17:32.45\00:17:35.48 and if God does bless me with children, 00:17:35.52\00:17:37.75 I am gonna have that talk with them 00:17:37.79\00:17:39.25 because as a parent, you know, 00:17:39.29\00:17:41.12 you have that responsibility. 00:17:41.16\00:17:43.09 You know, the Bible says, "Train up a child 00:17:43.12\00:17:44.59 the way he should go, and when he grows old 00:17:44.63\00:17:46.23 he won't depart from it." 00:17:46.26\00:17:47.60 Train up a child... 00:17:47.63\00:17:48.96 That includes teaching them about sex 00:17:49.00\00:17:50.67 and sexual immortality and God's plan for sex 00:17:50.70\00:17:55.97 within the confines of marriage between a man and a woman. 00:17:56.00\00:18:00.04 And so that, you have that responsibility 00:18:00.08\00:18:02.34 placed on you to educate your child 00:18:02.38\00:18:04.35 and with the world being as vocal as the world is, 00:18:04.38\00:18:08.58 you know, they're distorting the image, 00:18:08.62\00:18:10.79 perverting the image of sex and glorifying, 00:18:10.82\00:18:15.02 like you said, sexual immortality. 00:18:15.06\00:18:17.46 And also, you know, 00:18:17.49\00:18:18.83 on this different television shows 00:18:18.86\00:18:20.63 and stuff like that, they're giving false, 00:18:20.66\00:18:26.47 if you were like building, 00:18:26.50\00:18:28.04 predicating your marriage on false pretenses. 00:18:28.07\00:18:30.54 Yes. That's right. 00:18:30.57\00:18:31.91 And what I mean by that is straight physical 00:18:31.94\00:18:34.41 or sexual in nature, 00:18:34.44\00:18:36.54 when there has to be more to a marriage 00:18:36.58\00:18:39.68 for it to be sustainable, you know. 00:18:39.71\00:18:43.52 You guys need to be looking towards Christ, 00:18:43.55\00:18:46.25 growing towards Christ, it's like a triangle, you know, 00:18:46.29\00:18:49.06 you both grow closer to Christ and then you end up 00:18:49.09\00:18:52.26 closer together as a result of it. 00:18:52.29\00:18:54.20 You know, the message the world put across, 00:18:54.23\00:18:57.10 it's very most tame is follow your heart 00:18:57.13\00:19:00.84 as regards romantic relationships. 00:19:00.87\00:19:03.54 It gets worst than that, but that's, it's most tame. 00:19:03.57\00:19:06.64 And really, the biblical message 00:19:06.68\00:19:08.08 is follow God's heart. 00:19:08.11\00:19:09.44 Amen. 00:19:09.48\00:19:10.81 Because we follow our own hearts, 00:19:10.85\00:19:12.18 they're gonna lead us astray 00:19:12.21\00:19:13.55 'cause the heart is deceitful above all things, 00:19:13.58\00:19:14.92 desperately wicked, who can know it. 00:19:14.95\00:19:16.48 But if you follow the heart of God, 00:19:16.52\00:19:18.52 He will meet our emotional needs 00:19:18.55\00:19:20.06 and that's the thing is that biblical approach 00:19:20.09\00:19:23.69 to morality is often been conveyed as restrictive 00:19:23.73\00:19:26.53 and narrow and God is really a pleasure, 00:19:26.56\00:19:30.20 you know, against pleasure in some strange way. 00:19:30.23\00:19:32.73 Really what God wants us is, add His right hand or pleasures 00:19:32.77\00:19:36.14 for ever more. 00:19:36.17\00:19:38.04 In other words, lasting pleasure, 00:19:38.07\00:19:39.51 God wants you not to have less pleasure, 00:19:39.54\00:19:41.14 but more pleasure. 00:19:41.18\00:19:42.51 So often, Christians are at fault 00:19:42.54\00:19:43.88 for presenting sexuality in such a way 00:19:43.91\00:19:45.75 that it's so restrictive, 00:19:45.78\00:19:47.75 rather than opening up the beauty of God's plan. 00:19:47.78\00:19:50.22 You know, and I want to get into the brain chemistry here, 00:19:50.25\00:19:52.55 but I have to say because 00:19:52.59\00:19:54.16 I so appreciate the way in which 00:19:54.19\00:19:57.49 my mother reared me similar to 00:19:57.53\00:19:59.26 what yours was or what your approach was. 00:19:59.29\00:20:02.26 But, what she told me from the time 00:20:02.30\00:20:04.70 as a little-bitty girl was, if you hear anything in school, 00:20:04.73\00:20:09.90 if the kids are talking about sex, which they do... 00:20:09.94\00:20:13.41 That's right. Even in Christian schools. 00:20:13.44\00:20:14.78 Oh, yeah. That's right. 00:20:14.81\00:20:16.14 Don't think that they don't. They talk to me about it. 00:20:16.18\00:20:17.75 That she would say, "Honey, kids, 00:20:17.78\00:20:20.38 a lot of times get things wrong, 00:20:20.42\00:20:22.02 so you come and ask me, and mama will explain it to you 00:20:22.05\00:20:26.25 and tell you what's right." 00:20:26.29\00:20:27.76 She never made me feel bad about any question 00:20:27.79\00:20:31.06 that I asked her. 00:20:31.09\00:20:32.43 That's great. 00:20:32.46\00:20:33.80 You know, it's interesting because sometimes 00:20:33.83\00:20:35.50 I'll ask her a question which you would think 00:20:35.53\00:20:37.37 would lead to the next one, she would, 00:20:37.40\00:20:39.20 and she told me later, she said, "Your Dad says, 00:20:39.23\00:20:41.00 not be prepared for ups what's following." 00:20:41.04\00:20:43.37 But it was like, "Oh, okay." 00:20:43.41\00:20:45.21 She satisfied my curiosity, now I understand what, 00:20:45.24\00:20:48.14 you know, these kids had it wrong. 00:20:48.18\00:20:50.21 Kids are naturally curious and confused. 00:20:50.25\00:20:52.35 I have never really understood why parents feel so awkward 00:20:52.38\00:20:57.85 when their kids ask those questions. 00:20:57.89\00:20:59.55 It sounds like your mom was just like ready 00:20:59.59\00:21:01.36 for whatever came, that's kind of how I was. 00:21:01.39\00:21:03.89 This is not something to be ashamed of, it's not dirty, 00:21:03.93\00:21:07.00 it's not unmentionable 00:21:07.03\00:21:08.40 or the Bible wouldn't mention it. 00:21:08.43\00:21:09.93 As much as it does. Exactly. 00:21:09.96\00:21:12.73 So I just figured God doesn't want me 00:21:12.77\00:21:15.00 to be embarrassed or ashamed of this thing 00:21:15.04\00:21:16.57 and He doesn't want me to be afraid to talk to those 00:21:16.60\00:21:19.21 that need my guidance 00:21:19.24\00:21:20.78 and influence about it, my children. 00:21:20.81\00:21:23.71 Okay, so let's just jump to this one point first. 00:21:23.75\00:21:26.88 I want to establish this as the beginning. 00:21:26.92\00:21:29.08 When God created man, male and female, 00:21:29.12\00:21:33.05 He created them and He saw that it was good, very good. 00:21:33.09\00:21:36.22 He instituted marriage in the Garden of pleasure, 00:21:36.26\00:21:39.29 the Garden of Eden. 00:21:39.33\00:21:40.66 Amen. He instituted marriage. 00:21:40.70\00:21:43.43 And he obviously created in such a way 00:21:43.47\00:21:47.00 that there would be some great bonding enjoyment. 00:21:47.04\00:21:51.04 That's right. 00:21:51.07\00:21:52.41 Explain to us how God created our brain chemistry, 00:21:52.44\00:21:55.58 why would He say be celibate before marriage and monogamous 00:21:55.61\00:22:01.58 after marriage and you'll find the greatest pleasure. 00:22:01.62\00:22:04.62 I mean, I could share a few things, 00:22:04.65\00:22:06.55 but let me just share one. 00:22:06.59\00:22:07.92 As I've studied neuroscience, I've just seen God's plan jump 00:22:07.96\00:22:10.53 out at me again and again and again, 00:22:10.56\00:22:12.66 not just in the positive but in the negative, 00:22:12.69\00:22:14.56 when things go wrong, 00:22:14.60\00:22:15.96 when you go outside of God's plan, 00:22:16.00\00:22:17.40 that's really a testimony of His plan. 00:22:17.43\00:22:20.10 And so I've seen it over and over again 00:22:20.14\00:22:21.80 as I've studied what happens 00:22:21.84\00:22:23.20 neurologically in sexual intimacy. 00:22:23.24\00:22:27.61 This is really your, you know, primary place that 00:22:27.64\00:22:30.65 that all takes place, it's in the brain. 00:22:30.68\00:22:32.58 So there's a neurotransmitter called dopamine, 00:22:32.61\00:22:37.39 if you know that heroin is an opiate drug, right? 00:22:37.42\00:22:41.76 So we talk about heroin addiction 00:22:41.79\00:22:43.29 and there's like a pandemic heroin addiction 00:22:43.32\00:22:45.39 going on in our country right now, 00:22:45.43\00:22:46.76 it's a terrible thing. 00:22:46.80\00:22:48.13 So these are highly addictive substances, 00:22:48.16\00:22:50.87 but the reality is that your brain 00:22:50.90\00:22:53.03 makes those substances and it's possible 00:22:53.07\00:22:56.34 to become addicted to naturally occurring opiates, 00:22:56.37\00:23:00.84 II dopamine, notice the opa in both of those things. 00:23:00.88\00:23:04.95 So you have an inner heroin basically. 00:23:04.98\00:23:07.55 And that inner heroin comes out 00:23:07.58\00:23:10.29 in a sexual encounter. 00:23:10.32\00:23:12.62 And I want to be careful how I word this, 00:23:12.65\00:23:14.62 but there's another chemical that the body produces 00:23:14.66\00:23:18.09 called oxytocin, and oxytocin is a bonding hormone 00:23:18.13\00:23:23.06 and there are also large amounts of that, 00:23:23.10\00:23:25.57 that come, you know, 00:23:25.60\00:23:26.94 into the body in a sexual encounter. 00:23:26.97\00:23:29.70 But there's going to be more of that oxytocin 00:23:29.74\00:23:32.57 in an actual committed bonded relationship 00:23:32.61\00:23:36.85 than there is going to be in a casual encounter 00:23:36.88\00:23:41.05 with a virtual stranger, such as we see in the world. 00:23:41.08\00:23:43.72 So you're going to have that pleasure neurotransmitter 00:23:43.75\00:23:46.69 in your brain because sex is pleasurable 00:23:46.72\00:23:48.82 that's why it's so addictive, that's why we talk about it 00:23:48.86\00:23:51.99 and obsess over like we do in the world 00:23:52.03\00:23:54.10 but also you're going to have in a bonded relationship 00:23:54.13\00:23:57.53 high levels of oxytocin. 00:23:57.57\00:23:59.43 Well, guess what happens, you experience that pleasure 00:23:59.47\00:24:02.70 in a bonded relationship but because 00:24:02.74\00:24:04.44 you have the oxytocin present, 00:24:04.47\00:24:06.34 you experience the pleasure for longer periods of time 00:24:06.37\00:24:09.18 and this is scientific data. 00:24:09.21\00:24:11.08 You get more out of that dopamine 00:24:11.11\00:24:13.62 when you have oxytocin present. 00:24:13.65\00:24:15.98 And then doesn't something happen that kind of imprints, 00:24:16.02\00:24:18.95 I mean, I've always said that anytime you have 00:24:18.99\00:24:22.39 that kind of encounter with any person, 00:24:22.42\00:24:24.56 even in a casual way, it's almost like 00:24:24.59\00:24:26.93 there's becomes a soul bond, 00:24:26.96\00:24:28.96 there's an imprint that you need to even 00:24:29.00\00:24:31.27 if you've been promiscuous, you need to pray about that 00:24:31.30\00:24:35.00 even before you marry. 00:24:35.04\00:24:36.60 But what happens between a husband and a wife? 00:24:36.64\00:24:40.41 Well, ideally in God's plan, 00:24:40.44\00:24:42.11 that first sexual encounter happens 00:24:42.14\00:24:44.18 within marriage to the person you are committed to 00:24:44.21\00:24:47.52 and because of that flood of oxytocin 00:24:47.55\00:24:49.68 and other brain chemicals, 00:24:49.72\00:24:51.05 there's this imprinting process. 00:24:51.09\00:24:53.25 Our first sexual encounter is very powerful to form at us 00:24:53.29\00:24:58.49 and create in us appetites 00:24:58.53\00:25:00.56 or attractions to certain things. 00:25:00.60\00:25:02.36 So that works against us 00:25:02.40\00:25:03.93 if our first encounter is something immoral. 00:25:03.97\00:25:07.70 You know, we will have an inclination toward that 00:25:07.74\00:25:10.37 even in the future and it's a temptation 00:25:10.41\00:25:12.47 will have to overcome as we try to straighten that out 00:25:12.51\00:25:15.11 and follow Jesus. 00:25:15.14\00:25:16.48 But according to God's plan, 00:25:16.51\00:25:18.21 the formatting experience happens with your first 00:25:18.25\00:25:22.12 sexual encounter within marriage, 00:25:22.15\00:25:24.45 and one of the beautiful byproducts of that 00:25:24.49\00:25:26.25 is the husband, 00:25:26.29\00:25:29.82 the attractiveness of the wife is increased 00:25:29.86\00:25:32.56 because of the high levels of oxytocin. 00:25:32.59\00:25:35.23 And effectively what happens is she imprints on him 00:25:35.26\00:25:38.03 and she becomes his standard of beauty. 00:25:38.07\00:25:40.50 And he sees all beauty, you know, face it, you know, 00:25:40.54\00:25:43.51 not every woman is as beautiful as every other woman. 00:25:43.54\00:25:46.21 There are some women that fit that ideal of beauty better 00:25:46.24\00:25:48.81 in the technical sense, but in the subjective sense 00:25:48.84\00:25:52.18 that man will see his wife, if he follows God's plan, 00:25:52.21\00:25:55.58 will often see his wife as the most beautiful creature 00:25:55.62\00:25:58.69 in all the world. 00:25:58.72\00:26:00.06 That's precious. And that's awesome. 00:26:00.09\00:26:01.69 You mentioned the word temptation 00:26:01.72\00:26:04.09 and I just thought about how good God 00:26:04.13\00:26:06.16 is if you look at 1 Corinthians 10:13, 00:26:06.19\00:26:12.27 it says, "No temptation has overtaken you except 00:26:12.30\00:26:15.17 such as is common to men but God is faithful, 00:26:15.20\00:26:18.94 who will not allow you to be tempted 00:26:18.97\00:26:20.74 beyond what you are able, but with the temptation 00:26:20.78\00:26:24.08 will also make the way of escape, 00:26:24.11\00:26:26.48 that you may be able to bear it." 00:26:26.51\00:26:28.78 God will always provide a way of escape in the event 00:26:28.82\00:26:32.15 that you are tempted, that you face temptation, 00:26:32.19\00:26:35.39 there is a way of escape. 00:26:35.42\00:26:37.23 In other words, God's plan is attainable. 00:26:37.26\00:26:40.53 It's not that He's put something in front of us, 00:26:40.56\00:26:43.73 that is so difficult that only the toughest 00:26:43.77\00:26:46.70 in the strongest of us can possibly, 00:26:46.74\00:26:49.00 you know, grit our teeth and achieve it. 00:26:49.04\00:26:51.01 He said to Saul before he became Paul, 00:26:51.04\00:26:53.98 it's hard for you, this is hard for you, 00:26:54.01\00:26:56.81 as you know Saul pursued his rebellious course, 00:26:56.85\00:26:58.88 this is hard for you. 00:26:58.91\00:27:00.28 The world's way is hard, 00:27:00.32\00:27:01.65 there are warnings not to go on, 00:27:01.68\00:27:03.52 there are consequences that make life painful. 00:27:03.55\00:27:05.19 Talk about some of those dire consequences. 00:27:05.22\00:27:08.09 Okay, I'll give you another example 00:27:08.12\00:27:09.46 and this ties in with what we're saying 00:27:09.49\00:27:10.89 about brain chemistry. 00:27:10.93\00:27:13.29 What they've done is they've measured 00:27:13.33\00:27:14.80 the amount of something called prolactin 00:27:14.83\00:27:17.90 in the brains of individuals who have one of two kinds 00:27:17.93\00:27:21.30 of sexual experiences, 00:27:21.34\00:27:22.67 one is bonded sexual experience, 00:27:22.70\00:27:25.14 and the other is what they call self sex. 00:27:25.17\00:27:28.08 I'm not going to use the proper term 00:27:28.11\00:27:29.44 for that given our, potentially our audience, 00:27:29.48\00:27:31.78 but let's say solo sex, sex that happens alone. 00:27:31.81\00:27:35.82 Okay. Okay. 00:27:35.85\00:27:37.19 Obviously it's God's plan that sex is designed to bond 00:27:37.22\00:27:41.06 two people together in lifelong love and commitment, 00:27:41.09\00:27:44.16 that's what it's for, it's not designed by God 00:27:44.19\00:27:47.20 to happen on a solo level. 00:27:47.23\00:27:48.73 We end up bonding with ourselves in a way 00:27:48.76\00:27:50.37 that is unhealthy, 00:27:50.40\00:27:51.87 so a lot of shame involved in that, 00:27:51.90\00:27:53.84 and that is not God's plan. 00:27:53.87\00:27:55.20 So they've measured the prolactin levels. 00:27:55.24\00:27:57.24 So what's prolactin? 00:27:57.27\00:27:58.61 Prolactin is that hormone in your brain that gives you 00:27:58.64\00:28:01.31 that sense of satisfaction, nursing, sexual encounter 00:28:01.34\00:28:07.28 that sense of satisfaction, I don't need anything else 00:28:07.32\00:28:10.05 in the whole world, I'm so satisfied right now 00:28:10.09\00:28:12.45 here with the one that I love, 00:28:12.49\00:28:13.82 that's what God designed that for. 00:28:13.86\00:28:15.96 They've measured the levels of it 00:28:15.99\00:28:17.69 within a bonded relationship and they've compared 00:28:17.73\00:28:20.83 that with the levels in solo sex, 00:28:20.86\00:28:24.07 and it's 400% higher in the bond relationships. 00:28:24.10\00:28:28.00 So the point is, that when it happens 00:28:28.04\00:28:30.14 outside of God's plan, 00:28:30.17\00:28:31.67 there's not as much satisfaction 00:28:31.71\00:28:33.84 and, you know, what does that mean, 00:28:33.88\00:28:35.54 you end up craving more 00:28:35.58\00:28:37.48 and try to get that satisfaction 00:28:37.51\00:28:39.28 from more of the same and you end up 00:28:39.31\00:28:40.92 on a path to addiction. 00:28:40.95\00:28:42.58 Not to mention, STD's that can take... 00:28:42.62\00:28:46.19 that you can get pregnancy out of wedlock, 00:28:46.22\00:28:52.46 you know, all those things. 00:28:52.49\00:28:55.20 I forget what the statistics are but, you know, 00:28:55.23\00:28:57.40 if somebody in high school or something gets pregnant 00:28:57.43\00:29:00.90 out of wedlock, chances are they're going to be, 00:29:00.94\00:29:04.94 like in poverty because they're not going to be able 00:29:04.97\00:29:08.84 to sustain themselves and the baby 00:29:08.88\00:29:12.11 and go off to college 00:29:12.15\00:29:14.02 and do what they need to do to make it. 00:29:14.05\00:29:16.25 But isn't there like an emotional... 00:29:16.28\00:29:17.95 I was going to say the same thing. 00:29:17.99\00:29:19.32 It's like there we, you know, we talk about 00:29:19.35\00:29:21.26 the financial consequences, the physical consequences, 00:29:21.29\00:29:24.03 sexually transmitted diseases and so forth, 00:29:24.06\00:29:26.09 but there are emotional and psychological. 00:29:26.13\00:29:29.26 There was one study that showed that even a crush, 00:29:29.30\00:29:32.80 I don't want to do many one here 00:29:32.83\00:29:34.57 because we've all had crushes, 00:29:34.60\00:29:35.97 but even a high school crush 00:29:36.00\00:29:38.41 can lead to a longstanding depression. 00:29:38.44\00:29:41.51 So think about how high school relationships, 00:29:41.54\00:29:44.31 sexual relationships could set a person up 00:29:44.35\00:29:46.92 for a long standing, you know, any of us are cautionary tales. 00:29:46.95\00:29:49.92 And then even when you get married, I mean, 00:29:49.95\00:29:51.95 let's say that, J, let's say that you married a woman, 00:29:51.99\00:29:56.09 who you knew had been around the block a number of times. 00:29:56.12\00:30:02.33 Yes. 00:30:02.36\00:30:03.77 Would you ever feel in your mind, 00:30:03.80\00:30:06.80 whether it is the husband or the wife that 00:30:06.84\00:30:09.60 maybe you're being compared to something else 00:30:09.64\00:30:12.97 that are you as satisfactory a partner as others. 00:30:13.01\00:30:18.98 And there's all of these things that creates 00:30:19.01\00:30:21.85 jealousy, suspicion, I mean, 00:30:21.88\00:30:23.99 there are long lasting emotional impacts... 00:30:24.02\00:30:28.26 That's right. From those kind of acts. 00:30:28.29\00:30:32.16 We have to kind of strike a balance 00:30:32.19\00:30:33.86 because we want to put, we've run up against this 00:30:33.90\00:30:36.06 over and over in our program. 00:30:36.10\00:30:37.77 So we wanna put the ideal where it belongs. 00:30:37.80\00:30:40.27 You know, God designed us a certain way 00:30:40.30\00:30:43.20 and He created certain specifications 00:30:43.24\00:30:45.94 for how sexuality plays out in human experience. 00:30:45.97\00:30:49.48 When we go outside of those boundaries, 00:30:49.51\00:30:51.81 we reap the consequences and it's very unfortunate. 00:30:51.85\00:30:55.18 We believe in the God is the Creator, 00:30:55.22\00:30:57.72 we also believe He's the Redeemer. 00:30:57.75\00:30:59.19 Amen. 00:30:59.22\00:31:00.56 And we have biblical examples of individuals 00:31:00.59\00:31:02.69 who are way outside of God's boundaries 00:31:02.72\00:31:05.43 that recovered from it. 00:31:05.46\00:31:07.23 And I wrestle with this with young people, 00:31:07.26\00:31:09.03 sometimes I have couples, 00:31:09.06\00:31:10.60 one is a little more experienced 00:31:10.63\00:31:12.10 and has made more mistakes than the other, 00:31:12.13\00:31:14.27 and I try to introduce them, I try to gauge 00:31:14.30\00:31:17.17 the level of repentance and how clean 00:31:17.21\00:31:19.81 or break that individual has made 00:31:19.84\00:31:22.28 with their old life, so to speak. 00:31:22.31\00:31:24.55 And, you know, the Bible says repentance is a gift, 00:31:24.58\00:31:26.45 so we can generate it within ourselves. 00:31:26.48\00:31:27.95 But I ask myself, "Have they received 00:31:27.98\00:31:30.15 that gift of repentance?" 00:31:30.19\00:31:31.52 And repentance, you know, John the Baptist said, 00:31:31.55\00:31:33.72 "Lay the axe to the root of the tree," 00:31:33.76\00:31:35.39 he was the one calling the people to repentance 00:31:35.42\00:31:37.26 in preparation for them. 00:31:37.29\00:31:38.63 So repentance has the effect of cutting the tithes, 00:31:38.66\00:31:42.00 cutting our tithes with the world 00:31:42.03\00:31:43.90 and we develop a negative association with sin, 00:31:43.93\00:31:46.84 that's a miracle of God. 00:31:46.87\00:31:48.20 Amen. 00:31:48.24\00:31:49.57 So when that's severing takes place, 00:31:49.60\00:31:50.94 I try to gauge that, 00:31:50.97\00:31:52.31 and if that is taken place in that person, 00:31:52.34\00:31:53.81 I encourage the one that has a better track record 00:31:53.84\00:31:57.51 so to speak, you know what, 00:31:57.55\00:31:59.48 we believe in radical grace here. 00:31:59.51\00:32:01.15 Amen. 00:32:01.18\00:32:02.52 This person has made a clean break 00:32:02.55\00:32:03.89 and they potentially because now 00:32:03.92\00:32:05.85 they're partaking of the grace of God, 00:32:05.89\00:32:07.72 they've cut the tithes with the old world, 00:32:07.76\00:32:09.19 they could become a more faithful partner 00:32:09.22\00:32:11.39 through the Holy Spirit and through the grace of God 00:32:11.43\00:32:13.63 then even someone who wasn't as experienced as they were. 00:32:13.66\00:32:16.26 You know, it's just like we began talking about 00:32:16.30\00:32:18.07 this from 12 year old girl, whose parents had no idea 00:32:18.10\00:32:21.20 and they not trained her up. 00:32:21.24\00:32:22.94 It's, 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, 00:32:22.97\00:32:26.27 He is faithful and just give us our sins," not only that, 00:32:26.31\00:32:30.01 "to cleanse us of all unrighteousness." 00:32:30.05\00:32:32.58 So please, I'm not setting myself up as a saint here 00:32:32.61\00:32:36.69 and I don't think any of us are, 00:32:36.72\00:32:38.12 we all make mistakes and we don't mean to do this 00:32:38.15\00:32:43.43 in any condemnatory fashion 00:32:43.46\00:32:46.09 because God is the great redeemer. 00:32:46.13\00:32:48.40 Well, let's talk a little bit more about Intimate Clarity. 00:32:48.43\00:32:52.13 You did not use the word for self sex, 00:32:52.17\00:32:57.21 but on Intimate Clarity we do. 00:32:57.24\00:32:58.57 We do. 00:32:58.61\00:32:59.94 We use some medical terms, 00:32:59.97\00:33:02.14 we're talking about some tough topics. 00:33:02.18\00:33:04.78 We are. 00:33:04.81\00:33:06.15 And you can't really address the tough topics adequately 00:33:06.18\00:33:09.85 if you don't use some medical terminology as you say, 00:33:09.88\00:33:13.52 so we really had to walk a fine line. 00:33:13.56\00:33:15.42 It was challenging, I'll be honest, 00:33:15.46\00:33:16.99 it was challenging for me 'cause, you know, 00:33:17.03\00:33:18.63 I'm a social scientist and I read studies 00:33:18.66\00:33:21.06 and I just choose the medical terminology, 00:33:21.10\00:33:23.20 this is this, this is this, this is this, 00:33:23.23\00:33:25.33 just is, you know. 00:33:25.37\00:33:26.80 But I realize that there's a viewing audience 00:33:26.84\00:33:29.50 and they have certain parameters and needs, 00:33:29.54\00:33:32.27 and so I'm trying to be sensitive to that 00:33:32.31\00:33:34.58 because it's so important that we communicate 00:33:34.61\00:33:36.91 the essence of what we're trying to say. 00:33:36.95\00:33:39.48 So I'm trying to package in a way that they... 00:33:39.51\00:33:40.88 So we did it in such a way that it would be current 00:33:40.92\00:33:45.02 so that people would understand what we're talking about, 00:33:45.05\00:33:48.02 instead of saying self sex or self-abuse, 00:33:48.06\00:33:51.16 we use the medical term. 00:33:51.19\00:33:52.69 But tell us about... 00:33:52.73\00:33:55.50 J, let me just touch on you, 00:33:55.53\00:33:58.07 tell us about some of the topics 00:33:58.10\00:34:00.24 in were you comfortable or uncomfortable 00:34:00.27\00:34:03.37 as you were discussing these? 00:34:03.41\00:34:05.61 I was comfortable to be honest I mean... 00:34:05.64\00:34:07.98 You weren't always comfortable most of the time. 00:34:08.01\00:34:09.88 I was comfortable with it, I mean... 00:34:09.91\00:34:11.25 But there was a couple things. 00:34:11.28\00:34:12.61 There was a time when I left the church 00:34:12.65\00:34:14.82 from age 14 to about 28, so there was like 14 years 00:34:14.85\00:34:19.82 where I was outside of the church, 00:34:19.85\00:34:21.19 and with the way that the topics were discussed, 00:34:21.22\00:34:24.43 the way it was done in a very tasteful manner, 00:34:24.46\00:34:27.30 it was a done in a very educational 00:34:27.33\00:34:29.36 and informative way. 00:34:29.40\00:34:31.83 Now some of the statistics, 00:34:31.87\00:34:34.80 now, that's when I was shocked by with some of the statistics. 00:34:34.84\00:34:36.20 It wasn't the way I said it, it was what I said. 00:34:36.24\00:34:38.77 Not the material necessarily that was covered, 00:34:38.81\00:34:41.38 but some of the statistics 00:34:41.41\00:34:42.74 that you shared were I mean, amazing. 00:34:42.78\00:34:44.61 Okay. Shocking. 00:34:44.65\00:34:45.98 Let me ask you something, if you were out 14 to 28, 00:34:46.01\00:34:49.05 obviously a lot of your sex education 00:34:49.08\00:34:51.45 came from the world. 00:34:51.49\00:34:53.15 Yes. 00:34:53.19\00:34:54.52 God has done, you know, once again we're talking 00:34:54.56\00:34:56.93 about trajectories here. 00:34:56.96\00:34:58.89 We watch this young man 00:34:58.93\00:35:00.26 who just came here on fire for God 00:35:00.30\00:35:03.06 but fair to say, you were still a babe in Christ. 00:35:03.10\00:35:06.77 And we've just watched you just... 00:35:06.80\00:35:09.60 Because you study in the Word of God constantly, 00:35:09.64\00:35:13.51 you are, I believe God's 00:35:13.54\00:35:15.88 got an anointing on you to preach 00:35:15.91\00:35:17.88 because sometimes when God touches him, 00:35:17.91\00:35:20.65 what comes out of his mouth is incredible. 00:35:20.68\00:35:23.75 But how, as God has reprogrammed you 00:35:23.79\00:35:28.36 'cause I know right now, 00:35:28.39\00:35:29.72 you're dating with hopes of marriage 00:35:29.76\00:35:33.13 and you were very specific 00:35:33.16\00:35:35.13 in wanting God's ideal plan in your life, 00:35:35.16\00:35:38.63 talk to us about that? 00:35:38.67\00:35:40.14 Well, you know, it comes from experience too, 00:35:40.17\00:35:43.41 you know, I realized that what God has for us 00:35:43.44\00:35:47.51 is way better than anything 00:35:47.54\00:35:48.98 that we could have for ourselves. 00:35:49.01\00:35:51.21 And so, I've seen how things go, 00:35:51.25\00:35:54.32 when I take matters into my own hands 00:35:54.35\00:35:56.82 and I do my own thing, it's a failure. 00:35:56.85\00:36:00.56 Heartache and disappointment. 00:36:00.59\00:36:01.92 Heartache, disappointment leads to problems, 00:36:01.96\00:36:04.19 and trials, and tribulations, and all that stuff, 00:36:04.23\00:36:06.76 but God's plan is, it's perfect. 00:36:06.80\00:36:10.87 And so I truly want His will for my life. 00:36:10.90\00:36:14.94 And what I found is that, 00:36:14.97\00:36:16.74 God wants to give you the victory over things 00:36:16.77\00:36:19.21 that you're struggling with, 00:36:19.24\00:36:20.58 anything that you're struggling with you can take it to God, 00:36:20.61\00:36:22.98 you can pray and say, "God, look, 00:36:23.01\00:36:25.31 you know, I don't even want to change, 00:36:25.35\00:36:27.65 I need You to input that desire into my heart 00:36:27.68\00:36:31.79 to make me want to change and help. 00:36:31.82\00:36:36.93 Please relieve me of this bondage 00:36:36.96\00:36:39.49 of this captivity." 00:36:39.53\00:36:40.86 Whatever it may be, it could be substance abuse, 00:36:40.90\00:36:42.86 it could be sexual immorality, 00:36:42.90\00:36:44.27 it could be a number of things, whatever it is, 00:36:44.30\00:36:47.87 God will help you get over that. 00:36:47.90\00:36:50.67 And I've seen Him work in my own life 00:36:50.71\00:36:53.54 over these 14 years coming back to Him, 00:36:53.58\00:36:56.28 you know, being raised in the church, 00:36:56.31\00:36:57.71 my mom raised me in the church 00:36:57.75\00:36:59.75 and so I knew what I was missing, 00:36:59.78\00:37:03.22 I had a sense of emptiness 00:37:03.25\00:37:05.59 and I knew that the only one 00:37:05.62\00:37:07.36 that could fill that void was Jesus. 00:37:07.39\00:37:09.42 And so coming back to Him and it wasn't like, 00:37:09.46\00:37:13.43 I didn't feel like giving stuff up was a burden, 00:37:13.46\00:37:18.03 you know, it was about my love for Christ 00:37:18.07\00:37:21.20 and when you love somebody, 00:37:21.24\00:37:25.07 you don't want to hurt that person. 00:37:25.11\00:37:26.44 His commands are not grievous. 00:37:26.47\00:37:27.81 No, no. 00:37:27.84\00:37:29.94 And, you know, what you just said earlier 00:37:29.98\00:37:31.75 'cause some people will say, 00:37:31.78\00:37:33.11 "What do you mean, repentance is a gift." 00:37:33.15\00:37:34.98 What you're saying, I tell people, 00:37:35.02\00:37:36.35 you know, Jesus said 00:37:36.38\00:37:37.72 "Blessed are if you hunger and thirst for righteousness." 00:37:37.75\00:37:40.42 We don't always hunger and thirst for righteousness, 00:37:40.46\00:37:42.59 but you did it right. 00:37:42.62\00:37:43.96 You go to Him and say, "Lord, cause me to hunger 00:37:43.99\00:37:46.70 and thirst for righteousness." 00:37:46.73\00:37:48.23 And suddenly, He makes you 00:37:48.26\00:37:50.17 start hating the things you once loved, 00:37:50.20\00:37:52.83 and loving the things you once hated, 00:37:52.87\00:37:54.74 and He puts that hunger and thirst in righteousness. 00:37:54.77\00:37:57.27 And I always... 00:37:57.31\00:37:58.77 Please, listen to me, 00:37:58.81\00:38:00.14 confession is the clearinghouse of the conscience. 00:38:00.18\00:38:02.81 So when we go before the Lord and confess our sins, 00:38:02.84\00:38:06.35 also pray, Acts 5:32, I believe it is, 00:38:06.38\00:38:09.82 says that, He is the one who gives us repentance. 00:38:09.85\00:38:15.82 So pray and say, "Lord, give me repentance," 00:38:15.86\00:38:19.29 and that just means, turn me around, Father, 00:38:19.33\00:38:22.16 it's more than just confessing our sins, 00:38:22.20\00:38:24.17 turn me away from this to you," and God will. 00:38:24.20\00:38:29.70 Yeah. It's amazing. 00:38:29.74\00:38:31.07 That's beautiful. That's beautiful. 00:38:31.11\00:38:32.44 So what are some of the topics... 00:38:32.47\00:38:35.21 Go ahead. I don't... 00:38:35.24\00:38:36.88 Twenty-six programs and we're gonna, 00:38:36.91\00:38:40.38 we're addressing everything across the spectrum, 00:38:40.42\00:38:43.69 we're not only talking about purity before marriage, 00:38:43.72\00:38:47.62 married love, we're talking about, 00:38:47.66\00:38:50.06 we're taking on homosexuality, transgenderism, 00:38:50.09\00:38:52.66 we're taking on pornography, everything. 00:38:52.69\00:38:56.10 Sexual abuse. Yup. 00:38:56.13\00:38:57.73 Abuse, how to recover from abuse, 00:38:57.77\00:38:59.77 we're talking of, you know... 00:38:59.80\00:39:01.14 Adultery, how to recover from adultery. 00:39:01.17\00:39:02.60 Yeah, we've got one on that. 00:39:02.64\00:39:03.97 We got just about everything I could possibly think of. 00:39:04.01\00:39:06.24 And I know what'll happen is we'll do all 26 of these, 00:39:06.27\00:39:09.94 they'll get out there and then people be, 00:39:09.98\00:39:11.31 "What about this?" 00:39:11.35\00:39:12.68 and we'll probably have to come back and do more, 00:39:12.71\00:39:14.05 but I tried to hit everything. 00:39:14.08\00:39:15.45 And, you know what, it's done in love to... 00:39:15.48\00:39:18.39 Amen. It's done in love. 00:39:18.42\00:39:19.92 It's not, yeah, 00:39:19.95\00:39:21.29 we're not condemning anybody or anything like that. 00:39:21.32\00:39:22.72 Hitting people over the head 00:39:22.76\00:39:24.09 because they've already been hit over the head 00:39:24.13\00:39:25.79 by the consequences, 00:39:25.83\00:39:27.46 and they've already been hit over the head 00:39:27.50\00:39:28.83 by their own conscience, 00:39:28.86\00:39:30.20 and sometimes by church members that are well meaning 00:39:30.23\00:39:32.63 but don't deliver it in love 00:39:32.67\00:39:34.24 and so we're trying to put everything 00:39:34.27\00:39:35.60 in a very grace centered way, 00:39:35.64\00:39:37.64 including some of these politicized issues, 00:39:37.67\00:39:39.97 which are very difficult to address, 00:39:40.01\00:39:42.18 but we lose something 00:39:42.21\00:39:43.71 when we become overly political about them 00:39:43.75\00:39:45.88 because there are actual people involved 00:39:45.91\00:39:48.18 in these things 00:39:48.22\00:39:49.55 that people that Jesus died for. 00:39:49.58\00:39:51.55 And that we, as followers of Jesus 00:39:51.59\00:39:53.49 are called to minister to, 00:39:53.52\00:39:54.86 so we try to bring that out 00:39:54.89\00:39:56.22 with each one of these programs. 00:39:56.26\00:39:57.59 You know, something that's important for me 00:39:57.63\00:39:58.96 to explain to our audience is this, 00:39:58.99\00:40:01.30 I remember when we first started airing 00:40:01.33\00:40:02.86 Cheri Peters program, 00:40:02.90\00:40:04.23 "Celebrating Life to Recovery," 00:40:04.27\00:40:06.00 had a precious little lady called me from California, 00:40:06.03\00:40:08.97 and she said, "Honey, why would you 00:40:09.00\00:40:11.97 put this kind of stuff on 3ABN?" 00:40:12.01\00:40:16.34 And I told her, "We're not just preaching to the choir here, 00:40:16.38\00:40:19.21 we're trying to reach those who are wounded, 00:40:19.25\00:40:23.32 the brokenhearted people of the world, 00:40:23.35\00:40:25.35 the people who are trapped in this." 00:40:25.39\00:40:27.26 And then she made the cutest comment to me, 00:40:27.29\00:40:29.19 she said, "Well, honey, 00:40:29.22\00:40:31.26 couldn't you do it instead of Cheri, 00:40:31.29\00:40:34.23 'cause she was having trouble 00:40:34.26\00:40:35.73 with some of Cheri's terminology. 00:40:35.76\00:40:37.10 She is, yeah. 00:40:37.13\00:40:38.47 And, you know what I said, 00:40:38.50\00:40:39.83 I said, "You know what, I could do it. 00:40:39.87\00:40:41.97 Yes indeed I could." 00:40:42.00\00:40:43.94 And I said, "You and your little prayer group," 00:40:43.97\00:40:46.11 'cause she was calling on behalf of her prayer group 00:40:46.14\00:40:48.14 and they were all in their late 70s, early 80s, 00:40:48.18\00:40:51.11 and I said, "Y'all might like it better." 00:40:51.15\00:40:53.18 But guess what? 00:40:53.21\00:40:54.55 Nobody we're trying to reach would it touch, 00:40:54.58\00:40:58.89 some of the street language that Cheri uses 00:40:58.92\00:41:03.46 is what attracts people to watch it, 00:41:03.49\00:41:05.93 they identify with that. 00:41:05.96\00:41:07.90 So let me say this before you call me 00:41:07.93\00:41:09.83 because people are, I know that. 00:41:09.86\00:41:12.43 I know I'm going to get some phone calls. 00:41:12.47\00:41:14.40 People will say, "Why as program developer, 00:41:14.44\00:41:17.47 why as the producer, 00:41:17.51\00:41:19.14 why would you put such things on the air? 00:41:19.17\00:41:22.64 As I said, number one, 00:41:22.68\00:41:24.25 this is not an age appropriate for young children, 00:41:24.28\00:41:28.48 we'll let you watch decide what age, but... 00:41:28.52\00:41:32.25 And also some of the programs are a little more... 00:41:32.29\00:41:35.29 Mild. Than others. 00:41:35.32\00:41:36.76 Yes. So. 00:41:36.79\00:41:38.33 And they will be available on YouTube 00:41:38.36\00:41:40.96 and we're trying to reach some people. 00:41:41.00\00:41:43.00 But here's what I'm saying, even within the church, 00:41:43.03\00:41:46.97 why do the church members need to see this? 00:41:47.00\00:41:49.24 Because as I said, we've been long silent 00:41:49.27\00:41:51.44 we're letting the world educate our children, 00:41:51.47\00:41:55.44 but the other is that we sometimes argue a point, 00:41:55.48\00:42:00.05 let's say about homosexuality, from a couple of few scriptures 00:42:00.08\00:42:04.19 and we don't have the science that backs it up. 00:42:04.22\00:42:08.09 In our own Adventists Universities, 00:42:08.12\00:42:12.03 acceptance of gay lifestyle, 00:42:12.06\00:42:14.30 gay marriage has gone in the last 60 years 00:42:14.33\00:42:19.10 from something in the high 20s, low 30% 00:42:19.13\00:42:23.71 to getting up there to where majority of people think... 00:42:23.74\00:42:27.58 Student body. 00:42:27.61\00:42:29.08 Of student body, think it is an acceptable lifestyle. 00:42:29.11\00:42:33.05 See, what we need to do 00:42:33.08\00:42:36.55 is show what even the world 00:42:36.58\00:42:39.05 knows about the pain of this lifestyle, the damage of. 00:42:39.09\00:42:42.52 I'll tell you something, it's challenging to do that 00:42:42.56\00:42:45.43 because there's a lot of controversy 00:42:45.46\00:42:48.63 even in the scientific realm. 00:42:48.66\00:42:50.60 Someone will produce a study 00:42:50.63\00:42:52.03 for instance on same sex parents 00:42:52.07\00:42:54.84 and the children of same sex parents 00:42:54.87\00:42:56.54 that says, everything is hunky dory, 00:42:56.57\00:42:57.94 everything's fine. 00:42:57.97\00:42:59.31 Another study will come out 00:42:59.34\00:43:00.68 and say, no there's problems here. 00:43:00.71\00:43:02.04 Overall, you know, same sex parenting, 00:43:02.08\00:43:03.65 there are problems in the children, 00:43:03.68\00:43:05.01 so and I'm not saying, 00:43:05.05\00:43:06.38 you know, which one I agree with, 00:43:06.41\00:43:07.75 I'm just saying that there's a war 00:43:07.78\00:43:09.32 even in the scientific realm. 00:43:09.35\00:43:11.22 It's difficult to find research that reveals, 00:43:11.25\00:43:14.59 you know, biblical facts. 00:43:14.62\00:43:16.52 And so, you know, 00:43:16.56\00:43:17.89 then it coincides with the scripture, 00:43:17.93\00:43:19.96 that's mostly funded by the Catholic Church by the way, 00:43:20.00\00:43:22.76 and also on bringing young university, 00:43:22.80\00:43:25.40 the Mormon University in out west. 00:43:25.43\00:43:27.77 So it's difficult to find that research, 00:43:27.80\00:43:31.04 it exists, it's there, 00:43:31.07\00:43:33.21 but what will happen is, as soon as it comes out, 00:43:33.24\00:43:35.48 it's tagged by the media as right wing 00:43:35.51\00:43:40.22 and extreme and, you know, fake news kind of stuff. 00:43:40.25\00:43:44.59 And so it can be really challenging in that world 00:43:44.62\00:43:47.59 to even substantiate things, 00:43:47.62\00:43:49.26 but the data is there, and it's very interesting, 00:43:49.29\00:43:51.16 I don't know how much time I have to talk. 00:43:51.19\00:43:52.86 Okay, so for instance, 00:43:52.89\00:43:55.86 gay population really wants to appear to be fine 00:43:55.90\00:44:00.14 because they want to sell the idea 00:44:00.17\00:44:02.47 of same sex marriage to the public. 00:44:02.50\00:44:06.88 So they have an incentive not to reveal 00:44:06.91\00:44:08.94 what's really going on, but then what happens is, 00:44:08.98\00:44:12.35 they can't get the insurance coverage, 00:44:12.38\00:44:15.12 they can't get the social programs, 00:44:15.15\00:44:17.29 they don't get the help that heterosexual people give, 00:44:17.32\00:44:20.39 and I'll give you an example, as same sex couple, 00:44:20.42\00:44:23.86 there's a lot of violence, 00:44:23.89\00:44:25.23 particularly in male same sex couples, 00:44:25.26\00:44:26.59 a lot of domestic violence 00:44:26.63\00:44:27.96 because you got two men in the same relationship 00:44:28.00\00:44:29.96 and 95% of domestic violence in a heterosexual relationship 00:44:30.00\00:44:33.34 is perpetrated by the male, 00:44:33.37\00:44:34.70 so just men have more testosterone, 00:44:34.74\00:44:36.17 they tend to be more physically aggressive. 00:44:36.20\00:44:38.27 So you have a lot of that issue in same sex male couples, 00:44:38.31\00:44:42.18 and those people need help, I'm not saying they don't. 00:44:42.21\00:44:44.45 But what happens is they try to go to a shelter, 00:44:44.48\00:44:46.75 and shelters don't allow men. 00:44:46.78\00:44:48.75 So now they're having to have a whole separate shelter 00:44:48.78\00:44:51.12 for gay individuals that are being perpetrated 00:44:51.15\00:44:53.82 on domestic violence. 00:44:53.86\00:44:55.66 So in order to get that, 00:44:55.69\00:44:57.36 they have to reveal what's going on in their community 00:44:57.39\00:45:00.00 and they're starting to come out now 00:45:00.03\00:45:01.36 because there's an environment of acceptance in our society, 00:45:01.40\00:45:04.17 they're starting to admit 00:45:04.20\00:45:05.53 what's really going on behind the scenes 00:45:05.57\00:45:08.10 and some of the strongest evidence 00:45:08.14\00:45:10.41 is coming from the community itself. 00:45:10.44\00:45:12.74 And, you know, there was a time 00:45:12.77\00:45:14.51 when the American Psychological Association, 00:45:14.54\00:45:17.95 this was or not maybe it's not the MBA, 00:45:17.98\00:45:20.85 but in the medical books, 00:45:20.88\00:45:22.88 it was considered a disorder or... 00:45:22.92\00:45:25.35 1973, it was 00:45:25.39\00:45:26.72 in the American Psychiatric Association's diagnostic manual 00:45:26.76\00:45:30.06 until 1973, it was taken out. 00:45:30.09\00:45:32.79 And then gender, it was called Gender Identity Disorder 00:45:32.83\00:45:37.83 was just revised and I think it was 2013... 00:45:37.87\00:45:40.10 That would be transgender. 00:45:40.14\00:45:41.60 Well, what we call transgender, someone who is a man, 00:45:41.64\00:45:43.81 and thinks he's a woman or as a woman 00:45:43.84\00:45:45.17 and thinks she's a man, 00:45:45.21\00:45:46.54 it was called Gender Identity Disorder. 00:45:46.57\00:45:48.28 And they believe they revised in 2013, 00:45:48.31\00:45:51.45 it might even 2015, anyway they came out with the DSM 5, 00:45:51.48\00:45:55.45 and the DSM 5 had changed it to Gender Dysphoria 00:45:55.48\00:45:59.45 or Gender Dysphoric disorder. 00:45:59.49\00:46:02.12 Okay, what they were trying to do 00:46:02.16\00:46:03.63 was keep it in the diagnostic manual 00:46:03.66\00:46:05.66 'cause without a diagnosis, 00:46:05.69\00:46:07.03 you can't get the hormone treatment, 00:46:07.06\00:46:08.40 you can't get insurance coverage 00:46:08.43\00:46:09.76 for the hormone treatments 00:46:09.80\00:46:11.13 and potentially for surgery if that's what you want to do. 00:46:11.17\00:46:14.00 So in order to keep it in the manual, 00:46:14.04\00:46:15.97 they had to reframe it 00:46:16.00\00:46:18.21 and so they call it Gender Dysphoria, 00:46:18.24\00:46:20.94 meaning that the thing that's pathological about it 00:46:20.98\00:46:23.91 is the dysphoria you feel. 00:46:23.95\00:46:26.61 You should feel okay 00:46:26.65\00:46:28.15 about being a man and wanting to be a woman, 00:46:28.18\00:46:29.98 that should be, that's healthy. 00:46:30.02\00:46:31.62 I see what you're saying. 00:46:31.65\00:46:32.99 But it's unhealthy to feel you're disturbed, it distracts. 00:46:33.02\00:46:34.99 That's what they're saying, we're not saying. 00:46:35.02\00:46:36.66 No, we're not saying, I'm trying to put across. 00:46:36.69\00:46:39.36 Right. Exactly. 00:46:39.39\00:46:41.06 And I just, I want to put this out here, 00:46:41.10\00:46:42.90 just because it hit me. 00:46:42.93\00:46:44.63 I was... 00:46:44.67\00:46:46.00 I like to read medical journals, 00:46:46.03\00:46:48.24 I don't always hang on to everything that I read, 00:46:48.27\00:46:50.51 but I do recall about a year ago, 00:46:50.54\00:46:54.48 I read an article that was being 00:46:54.51\00:46:56.24 put forth by the American Psychiatric Association 00:46:56.28\00:47:00.12 saying that there are many 00:47:00.15\00:47:01.48 who are beginning to think that pedophilia is normal, 00:47:01.52\00:47:05.89 you know, the young and the old together. 00:47:05.92\00:47:08.66 Also, that more recently six to eight months ago, 00:47:08.69\00:47:13.56 I read something that was in attempt to say, 00:47:13.60\00:47:18.93 maybe incestral relations were normal. 00:47:18.97\00:47:21.57 Do we see what's coming? 00:47:21.60\00:47:22.97 What's coming? Well, in 2007... It's scary. 00:47:23.00\00:47:26.51 It's been done in Europe for years, 00:47:26.54\00:47:27.94 but in 2007 when a child identified as the opposite sex, 00:47:27.98\00:47:32.51 we started to allow them, the Boston Children's hospitals 00:47:32.55\00:47:35.48 began to give them puberty suppressing hormones, 00:47:35.52\00:47:37.95 so they would have a window of time 00:47:37.99\00:47:39.32 where they could decide which sex they wanted to be, 00:47:39.35\00:47:41.46 that started 2007. 00:47:41.49\00:47:43.46 So I don't see how, 00:47:43.49\00:47:44.83 we've always said, no, we can't, 00:47:44.86\00:47:46.59 you know, the man-boy love, that's wrong, 00:47:46.63\00:47:48.76 we know that's wrong because that child isn't of age, 00:47:48.80\00:47:50.57 they can't make a responsible decision being that young. 00:47:50.60\00:47:53.17 But you're letting children now decide 00:47:53.20\00:47:55.97 which sex they're gonna be, 00:47:56.00\00:47:57.37 I don't know why it wouldn't follow 00:47:57.41\00:47:58.87 that you would let children decide 00:47:58.91\00:48:00.44 which sex partner they want to have, see. 00:48:00.48\00:48:02.48 Yeah, it's scary. It is scary. 00:48:02.51\00:48:04.18 Scary and we're not again, 00:48:04.21\00:48:05.88 we're not promulgating this idea. 00:48:05.91\00:48:07.42 Not at all, we're concerned about it, 00:48:07.45\00:48:09.48 and that's why I'm expressing it. 00:48:09.52\00:48:10.85 I feel that sometimes people in a Christian community 00:48:10.89\00:48:13.29 don't really realize what's going on out there 00:48:13.32\00:48:15.69 and we're dealing with a major moral crisis 00:48:15.72\00:48:18.89 in our society today 00:48:18.93\00:48:20.66 and it's become a political crisis, 00:48:20.70\00:48:22.70 we're so fractioned, 00:48:22.73\00:48:24.07 and we're so polemic and polarized, 00:48:24.10\00:48:27.10 but we need to approach this thing in love. 00:48:27.14\00:48:29.60 And I think approaching it in love is key 00:48:29.64\00:48:31.41 because if we approach it in an equally politicized fashion, 00:48:31.44\00:48:34.11 we're just going to drive the opposition further away. 00:48:34.14\00:48:36.04 And you can't, you know, I always tell somebody, 00:48:36.08\00:48:38.35 you cannot beat somebody over the head with a violin 00:48:38.38\00:48:41.68 to convince them how beautiful the music is. 00:48:41.72\00:48:44.09 So you can't just take the Bible 00:48:44.12\00:48:46.29 or our quotes out of Ellen White writings 00:48:46.32\00:48:49.49 and beat people over the head 00:48:49.52\00:48:51.03 to convince them, it's beautiful. 00:48:51.06\00:48:52.43 It's got to be in the love of the Lord. 00:48:52.46\00:48:54.76 I will say one quick thing 00:48:54.80\00:48:56.13 because I know you've been to Israel. 00:48:56.16\00:48:58.43 No, I haven't. Yeah. Oh, you haven't. 00:48:58.47\00:49:00.20 That's the trip you've got to make. 00:49:00.24\00:49:01.57 Oh, take me, Shelley. Oh, let's go. 00:49:01.60\00:49:03.67 We've been there five times 00:49:03.71\00:49:05.04 and one thing that really astonished me 00:49:05.07\00:49:09.94 is they celebrate chastity, 00:49:09.98\00:49:15.28 they celebrate virginity, 00:49:15.32\00:49:17.92 this is a culture that holds the virgin up, 00:49:17.95\00:49:23.89 holds the virtuous woman up in an incredible manner. 00:49:23.93\00:49:27.73 We used to do that, look how far, 00:49:27.76\00:49:30.50 we have gone off the edge of a slippery slope. 00:49:30.53\00:49:34.97 Part of the reason though as we had a double standard, 00:49:35.00\00:49:37.01 the men wasn't so important, you know, 00:49:37.04\00:49:39.04 and so then there were these men and they were, 00:49:39.07\00:49:40.84 you know, seeking women 00:49:40.88\00:49:42.21 and eventually the women caved in, so it's really... 00:49:42.24\00:49:44.85 I mean, we want to make, that's a great point. 00:49:44.88\00:49:46.72 We want to fix that. 00:49:46.75\00:49:48.08 Because we believe that it is important, 00:49:48.12\00:49:49.45 equally important for a young man 00:49:49.48\00:49:51.65 to be a virgin as well. 00:49:51.69\00:49:53.39 All right, we are... 00:49:53.42\00:49:55.72 I just want to share one more time, 00:49:55.76\00:49:57.56 I don't think I ever finished describing it, 00:49:57.59\00:49:59.49 but this is the Intimate Clarity set 00:49:59.53\00:50:02.26 and there were reasons behind designing it this way. 00:50:02.30\00:50:06.80 We wanted it to be bright and airy to say, 00:50:06.84\00:50:09.27 this is not a topic that's to boot, 00:50:09.30\00:50:11.91 it is a conversation we need to have. 00:50:11.94\00:50:13.81 We need to have! Absolutely. 00:50:13.84\00:50:16.04 And also one thing that we thought was important 00:50:16.08\00:50:22.02 was that we have a middle aged married woman 00:50:22.05\00:50:25.29 with a young single man 00:50:25.32\00:50:27.59 to show you that it is something 00:50:27.62\00:50:32.09 that this is a conversation 00:50:32.13\00:50:33.90 that shouldn't be considered dirty, 00:50:33.93\00:50:37.73 it shouldn't be considered evil. 00:50:37.77\00:50:39.83 Everybody, no matter what demographic 00:50:39.87\00:50:41.77 needs to have this conversation. 00:50:41.80\00:50:43.51 That's a universal need. Absolutely. 00:50:43.54\00:50:45.44 But there will be a strong disclaimer on this program 00:50:45.47\00:50:48.91 saying that parents are cautioned, 00:50:48.94\00:50:51.31 you will not want your younger children 00:50:51.35\00:50:52.71 to watch it. 00:50:52.75\00:50:54.08 And, oh, I know what I wanted to tell you, we're pairing it. 00:50:54.12\00:50:57.59 It's a 15 minute program. 00:50:57.62\00:50:59.42 Unless, you're sitting there with the younger children 00:50:59.45\00:51:01.52 and you're explaining things, 00:51:01.56\00:51:02.89 so it's like, it may be appropriate 00:51:02.92\00:51:04.26 depending on the child, depending on the age. 00:51:04.29\00:51:05.99 And you probably want to watch it first 00:51:06.03\00:51:08.03 to make sure, you know. 00:51:08.06\00:51:09.43 You can find it on YouTube. 00:51:09.46\00:51:10.97 Yeah, but what we're going to do, 00:51:11.00\00:51:13.10 this is exciting 00:51:13.13\00:51:14.47 is we are pairing this in a half hour slot. 00:51:14.50\00:51:17.91 It's a 15 minute program 00:51:17.94\00:51:19.77 and we've got another new program coming up for youth, 00:51:19.81\00:51:23.21 I would say probably 15 to 25 is the main target group 00:51:23.24\00:51:28.58 and this is going to be called Raw Questions Relevant Answers. 00:51:28.62\00:51:33.39 So I'm not going to go into the detail, 00:51:33.42\00:51:35.82 perhaps that you are doing a new program. 00:51:35.86\00:51:37.19 Oh, sounds like they are. 00:51:37.23\00:51:39.29 I don't think they will. Okay. 00:51:39.33\00:51:40.70 They said, "We'll toss the tough ones to Jennifer." 00:51:40.73\00:51:43.33 Oh, thanks, guys. I appreciate that. 00:51:43.37\00:51:44.70 But anyway what we want to do 00:51:44.73\00:51:46.74 is we're going to come back in just a moment, 00:51:46.77\00:51:48.47 have a closing thought, 00:51:48.50\00:51:49.84 but we've got a news break 00:51:49.87\00:51:51.21 that we wanted to share with you 00:51:51.24\00:51:52.74 and we will be right back. 00:51:52.77\00:51:55.01