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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:10 Well, hello and welcome to 3ABN today. 01:13 It is always a joy to have you join with us 01:16 as we introduce you to another guest today. 01:19 We've got a lady with us. 01:22 She's just got an incredible life story to share with us. 01:25 And I think it's a story 01:28 that's going to minister to a lot of our needs. 01:30 And I ask her to if you could just encapsulate 01:36 what our programs going to be about today, 01:38 here's what she told me, 01:40 "Making gold out of dirt." 01:42 And, you know, I just related with that very statement. 01:46 Pat, it's so good to have you with us today. 01:49 Pat Arrabito, you're with LLT Productions. 01:52 I believe you're a producer. 01:54 So tell me what a producer at LLT Productions does. 01:59 We make films. 02:00 You make films? Yeah. 02:02 And we're going to talk about those films, aren't we? 02:04 Yes. 02:05 That is going to be so interesting. 02:07 But first, we want to know about Pat. 02:10 We want to know your life story. 02:12 And I know you've been through 02:14 some wonderful times and some tragic times. 02:18 But, Pat, before we go into your story, 02:21 we have got a gentleman here 02:23 that's going to sing a song for us. 02:26 He's going to minister to us. 02:29 "Great is Thy faithfulness." 02:30 Have you found God's faithfulness 02:33 to be the one thing that keeps us going 02:36 and keeps us on the right track? 02:37 Well, we have got a gentleman, his name is Jonathan Kasabasic, 02:43 and he's going to just minister that beautiful song to us now. 02:47 When we come back, 02:48 we're going to find out all about Pat Arrabito. 03:15 Great is Thy faithfulness 03:20 O God, my Father 03:24 There is no shadow 03:29 Of turning with Thee 03:34 Thou changes not 03:38 Thy compassions, they fail not 03:44 As Thou hast been 03:48 Thou forever will be 03:54 Great is Thy faithfulness 03:58 Great is Thy faithfulness 04:03 Morning by morning 04:08 New mercies I see 04:13 All I have needed 04:17 Thy hand hath provided 04:23 Great is Thy faithfulness 04:28 Lord unto me 04:40 Pardon for sin 04:45 And a peace, peace that endure 04:50 Thine own dear presence 04:55 To cheer and to guide 05:00 Strength for today 05:04 And bright hope for tomorrow 05:10 Blessings all mine 05:14 With ten thousand beside 05:20 Great is Thy faithfulness 05:25 Great is Thy faithfulness 05:30 Morning by morning 05:34 New mercies I see 05:40 All I have needed 05:44 Thy hand hath provided 05:50 Great is Thy faithfulness 05:54 Lord unto me 06:07 Great is Thy faithfulness 06:12 Great is Thy faithfulness 06:17 Great is Thy faithfulness 06:24 Lord unto me 06:43 Thank you, Jonathan. 06:45 Again, Pat, that is just one of my most favorite song. 06:47 It's beautiful. God is faithful. 06:49 If it wasn't for that faithfulness, 06:51 I don't know what any others would do. 06:53 Well, Pat, I mentioned earlier 06:56 that you're a producer at LLT Productions, 07:00 but before you were making films, 07:04 I know that a lot transpired in your life. 07:06 And I would like for our viewers and our listeners 07:10 to get to know Pat Arrabito and her story, her life story, 07:15 I think it'll minister to so many. 07:17 So please share with us. Sure. 07:20 I'm probably just one of millions of people 07:22 whose life didn't turn out the way they thought it would, 07:25 didn't treat them the way it ought to off. 07:27 And I've seen God's hand in just amazing ways in my life. 07:33 I'm making films, 07:34 but my education was actually marriage counseling. 07:37 But I didn't end up doing 07:38 what I thought I was going to do. 07:41 I married Jim Arrabito, and we have four children. 07:45 And I felt like I had everything 07:47 that really counts in life. 07:49 We had a happy home. 07:51 And my kids that I loved, 07:53 I got to be home and raise my kids 07:55 in homeschooled them. 07:56 And Jim loved evangelism, he did art work for a loving, 08:00 but his passion was evangelism, so we did a lot of traveling, 08:03 and, you know, a lot of evangelism 08:07 in different churches. 08:08 And really, just such a rich and full life 08:10 and I was so blessed. 08:12 And I'm still very blessed. 08:14 You know, I think that's a picture, 08:15 perhaps, of your family there on the screen now. 08:20 Yeah, they are, that's when we had three 08:22 and the fourth one was on the way, 08:24 you know, in that picture. 08:25 So all four, they're just we can't see... 08:28 You can't see number four yet. Okay. 08:31 Just learned that number four was on the way. 08:35 So my husband, 08:39 well, he did art work, he loved evangelism. 08:41 And he was always putting together programs, 08:43 he was very visual. 08:44 So he would do his own photography, 08:46 he would produce visual programs 08:50 and share those in churches. 08:52 And then ended up doing a lot of traveling 08:54 because of it. 08:56 At one point, he learned a story 09:00 about an Inupiat native up in Alaska 09:05 who heard voices. 09:08 And God talked to him 09:09 and actually revealed himself to him 09:11 and taught him about the Sabbath 09:13 and many other things. 09:14 He told him that people are going to come, 09:16 you know, in boats that they didn't have to paddle 09:19 and they were going to come in boats in the air. 09:20 And taught him about hygiene and taught him 09:24 that the father was more powerful 09:26 than the shamans and then the spirits. 09:28 And so Maniilaq was his name, 09:30 he would purposely break the taboos 09:33 to show the people 09:34 that the father was more powerful 09:36 than the shamans. 09:37 And when he learned about 09:38 Seventh-day "resting" in a cultural 09:40 that didn't even have weekly cycle. 09:42 He would put up a pole with a flag on it 09:44 every seventh day and tell the people, 09:46 "On the day that you see the flag, 09:48 that's the day you don't have to work. 09:50 On that day you come to me, 09:51 and I'll tell you about the father." 09:54 So Jim is going to go do some filming, 09:58 it's in all tradition up there, 09:59 he took equipment to film interviews with people 10:03 who had those stories passed on through their families. 10:07 It was exciting for my boys 10:08 because they always wanted to go to Alaska. 10:11 But now they could go 10:13 'cause Daddy had enough miles for two free tickets. 10:15 All right. So my oldest son Tony was 13. 10:20 My second son Joey was 11. 10:22 And then I had my third child, 10:24 my daughter, Adel, who was almost nine, 10:26 and then my youngest son Andy was seven at the time. 10:32 And the two older went with Dad 10:34 and the two younger ones stayed home with me 10:36 and we got ready for school. 10:38 And the boys spent 10 days up in Alaska, 10:40 fishing and playing with native kids 10:43 and flying in the plane to little villages 10:45 and just having their time of their lives. 10:47 Having a trip to Alaska with their daddy 10:49 on a missionary trip to Alaska. 10:50 Yeah, yeah, yep. 10:52 And he interviewed people for that story. 10:55 One little man was so cute, he said, 10:57 "When we were children, we heard the story, 10:59 Maniilaq said that people were going to come in boats 11:02 that went through the air." 11:04 So he said, "When we saw the first planes, 11:06 we knew what it was 'cause Maniilaq had told us. 11:09 In the boats that went through the air. 11:11 Yeah. He said, "We watched them go by. 11:14 And I watched till I fell over backwards." 11:18 So the stories are very precious. 11:21 On their way home, 11:22 they were flying in a small plane 11:24 and with a native pilot and a storm blew up. 11:27 It was late at night and, you know, 11:31 they were heading toward them Anchorage airport. 11:32 We were expecting them to land on a Monday afternoon, 11:36 and one of our helpers had gone to the airport to pick them up. 11:40 And, you know, every day while they were gone, 11:42 my two younger children and I prayed for their safe return. 11:44 Of course. 11:46 And we all could hardly wait to hear all the stories. 11:48 Our helper called from the airport 11:50 and said they didn't get off this plane, 11:52 they're not on plane. 11:54 And that was kind of odd to me 11:55 'cause I thought they would at least called me 11:57 if they knew they missed their flight 11:59 but I hadn't heard anything, and when I called up to Alaska, 12:03 I found out that their small plane 12:04 had never arrived in Anchorage the night before. 12:06 Oh, my... 12:08 So of course, I was a little shocked, 12:10 but then on the other hand, 12:13 I had seen God work in so many ways 12:16 and in the project that Jim is working on, 12:18 we had seen God's hand 12:19 and we knew that God was going to do it, 12:20 and I knew that God needed Jim to do it 12:22 'cause it was His project. 12:24 And I also knew that God will never let me lose a child 12:28 'cause here's what it says, 12:30 you know, there's no temptation taken 12:31 that is common to man, 12:33 and there's nothing too hard for you to bear 12:35 and God would always provide a way of escape. 12:37 And God knew that 12:38 I couldn't bear to lose a child, so... 12:41 So you had all of these firm beliefs? 12:44 Absolutely, firm beliefs. And I wasn't worried. 12:49 That night before they took off late at night 12:52 and the storm was coming up and they were in a small plane. 12:55 Well, I didn't know anything about that at the time. 12:58 I knew that they were flying that afternoon and evening... 13:02 How long ago was this? 13:04 This was 1990. Nineteen-ninety. 13:06 You know, it's almost... It's going on 28 years. 13:10 And you think that's really a lot of time ago, 13:12 it's a long time to still have any feelings about it. 13:16 But when you lose people that you love, 13:19 it's like yesterday and forever. 13:22 So how did you come to realize that things weren't working out 13:29 as well as you were anticipating? 13:30 Well, you know, so we know Search and Rescue was out 13:33 looking for the plane, the weather was bad, 13:35 they couldn't go out much that day. 13:38 And I had to just wait and... Oh, that must be really hard. 13:42 You know, I didn't worry a lot 13:43 'cause I was quite sure 13:45 that God was taking care of my family. 13:47 But when I went to bed that night, 13:49 I prayed and I said to God, 13:51 "I know that you are good, and I know you love my family, 13:54 and I know that we have this project we're doing 13:57 and, but I need You talk to me." 14:00 And I opened the Bible 14:02 and I had been studying in the book of Job, 14:05 I just wanted to understand Job's experience 14:07 and I was going through the book for the second time, 14:08 and so it's not surprising that I opened to the book of Job. 14:11 But the words that I came to were not words 14:15 that I had noticed before 14:17 and it was in Job 23:10 and it said, 14:20 "I know the way that you had taken 14:21 when I tried you, you shall come forth as gold." 14:24 And I thought, you know, "How come He gave me that one. 14:28 You know, what does that mean? 14:29 Does that mean it's just a trial 14:31 to have to wait?" 14:33 So the next day, we waited still 14:34 and my house filled up with people. 14:37 Everyone was waiting with us, 14:38 our pastor, our friends, my father. 14:42 And early afternoon, 14:44 Search and Rescue called that they had located the plane 14:46 and they were going to send a helicopter there. 14:48 And they still had no news for me on it. 14:51 My brother's a pilot, and he had been following 14:53 and keeping in touch with them as well. 14:55 He lived about lesser than an hour flight away. 14:58 And he called me and he said, 14:59 "I'm just going to fly over and be with you 15:01 when you get the news." 15:02 So my dad picked him up at the LA airport 15:05 and when he got to my house, 15:07 he came in and took me by the hand 15:08 and took me outside. 15:10 And my dad and my brother 15:12 just wrapped their arms around me 15:14 and my brother said there are no survivors. 15:17 Yeah. So sorry. 15:20 You know, the words just kind of hurled around 15:23 and I don't even know 15:25 how long I was out there, I just... 15:28 I think I was having an out of body experience. 15:32 But through that, you know, there are no survivors, 15:35 these words just came into my heart 15:38 that there are survivors, 15:40 you know, 'cause I'm still here and my two youngest children 15:42 are still here and we were... 15:44 Our family was one. 15:45 We were a unit and my husband and I were one. 15:47 And it's like, 15:50 you know, the whole unit isn't gone, 15:51 there is still part of us here. 15:54 About that time, somebody came in from house 15:57 and they said, 15:58 "You know, your kids are getting restless, 16:00 you need to just back in." 16:01 And my son, my youngest son, 16:06 who was seven naturally a little pessimistic 16:10 than everybody else in the family 16:12 but anyway, he just ran across the room 16:15 and he just yelled, "Daddy's dead, isn't he?" 16:20 And, you know, to have to acknowledge that 16:24 when I'm the parent 16:25 and I'm supposed to protect them, 16:26 you know, I felt like 16:28 it's my job to protect my children 16:29 and I couldn't protect them. 16:30 And I had to deliver 16:33 that blow that knocked him off his feet. 16:38 And then, you know, both kids were on my lap, 16:40 all of a sudden and my daughter is saying, 16:42 "How about Tony and Joey?" 16:44 And I had to say they are gone too. 16:47 And I felt like, you know, we're at this tiny spot, 16:52 that's the most intense agony in the universe 16:54 and it's a gigantic universe 16:56 and here we are at this tiny spot. 16:58 Does God see us, does He know we're there, 17:01 does He hear us, does He feel our cry. 17:04 And there was such a sense of peace 17:06 that came over me, 17:08 such a core of peace in my heart 17:10 that I knew it was not me, 17:12 and it was such a sense to me 17:14 that my loss was God's loss too. 17:17 And my heart agony was His agony, 17:20 and He wouldn't get to see our family 17:23 either until the resurrection. 17:25 And I just felt all of that as I'm sitting there. 17:28 And then my daughter said, 17:30 "Mom, I'm sure glad that you're not the kind of person 17:32 who blames God for everything." 17:33 Amen. 17:35 And I thought, 17:36 "Does she feel God here too 17:38 and does she know His presence?" 17:40 And my son being at different temperament, 17:42 you know, he was just thinking all about, 17:45 "Where is God?" 17:47 You know, like, he felt responsible, 17:50 he felt guilty like they must not have liked him. 17:55 Like he felt, "I'm so bad that they didn't like me, 17:57 I'm so bad God doesn't even like me either." 18:00 And he felt like, 18:01 "If God is loving as He says He is, 18:04 He wouldn't let that happen to me. 18:05 If God is as strong as He says He is, 18:08 He would have stopped it." 18:09 You know, and all these things 18:10 are going through that seven-year-old mind. 18:12 Which are very typical, very typical, 18:15 I think, ways of responding to that situation. 18:19 Yeah, yeah. Very typical. 18:21 And, you know, over time he expressed those things 18:24 and we talked about them and, you know, 18:26 we read scriptures and we memorized them. 18:29 And I think it was more for him too 18:34 as all the men in the family, 18:36 and he was the only man left 18:37 and it was like gravity was gone. 18:39 You know, he was always... 18:41 He was always a kid that was too much in every way. 18:44 And they were his mentors and they were 18:46 his kind of kept a lid on him, you know. 18:49 And it was very hard for him, 18:51 he didn't know how to deal with it. 18:54 For my daughter, it was a little different. 18:56 She didn't want to think about it. 18:58 She didn't want to let herself go there. 19:02 It took her five years 19:03 before she could really let herself 19:05 acknowledge the hugeness of it. 19:09 The need that she felt, at that point, 19:13 she made commitment with God as an adult. 19:15 But when her dad was gone, 19:16 it was like God was gone for her. 19:18 And she said, she just couldn't get him back, 19:22 it was such a struggle. 19:23 But I'm thinking of the song 19:25 that Jonathan sang a little earlier, 19:27 "Great is Thy faithfulness" 19:29 and he was faithful to your family 19:31 and brought them through 19:33 using different coping mechanisms, I realize. 19:36 And... He carried us. 19:37 We have to say He carried us. 19:39 And here you are, almost 28 years later, 19:45 and you are just doing great and mighty feats 19:49 for the kingdom of God. 19:51 So God picked you up 19:52 and brought you and your family through that. 19:56 You know, there were days 19:57 when I wished the sun wouldn't rise, 20:00 days when I wished morning wouldn't come 20:02 because then I have to be faced with the reality 20:05 that this isn't a dream and it's really true. 20:07 And, you know, what happens to your kids happens to you. 20:09 Absolutely. 20:11 So it was not just my grief, it was their grief too, 20:13 and learning how to live 20:14 with just three of us in a house 20:16 that had been full of six people. 20:18 I gave my son the dishes to set the table one morning 20:22 and he held them for a minute and he said, 20:25 "Only three dishes? 20:27 Only three bowls?" 20:29 And he was like, you know, 20:31 like there was no normal to our life anymore. 20:34 I try to keep structure and schedule, 20:37 but it was learning to live a different kind of life, 20:40 and it was hard for the kids to be home. 20:42 It was just too quite, it was too different and yet, 20:48 you know, there was God and He did, 20:50 He walked us through it, He helped us. 20:52 And I know it felt like, 20:53 why was my question, I always felt like... 20:56 My real question was 20:57 do I trust God or do I not trust God. 20:59 Right. 21:00 And I chose that I do trust him 21:02 because I too believe God is good 21:04 and I believe that He loves me, 21:07 and if those things are true, if I complain then I'm saying, 21:12 "I don't believe it." 21:14 Right. 21:15 So... 21:17 So you're belief system was totally challenged, 21:20 and you're bound to question to some degree, 21:26 and I've said this before, 21:28 there's nothing wrong in questioning your beliefs, 21:32 just don't believe your questions, 21:34 you know, and so as you look deeper into it, evidently, 21:38 the Lord showed you His faithful hand. 21:40 You know, He was right there 21:42 and, you know, we had seen a lot of evidence of Him 21:46 prior to that in the project Jim was working on. 21:49 And a lot of evidence, I mean I have to say 21:51 God gave me preparation for that. 21:54 I wanted to ask you 21:56 what happened to the project that he was working on. 21:59 Well, his dream was to produce a documentary series 22:03 that would trace the Sabbath 22:04 through the centuries and he had... 22:06 We had been a book 22:07 that went into some of that Sabbath history. 22:09 And Jim and I were both raised Sabbath keepers 22:13 but we didn't know our own heritage 22:15 and we had never heard those stories. 22:17 I kind of thought that, you know, Sabbath, probably, 22:20 began down there in 1800s 22:21 when the Adventist Church began. 22:24 So when we read the stories 22:26 and saw that God had always had a people 22:29 who would preserve the Sabbath, 22:31 Jim again sharing that in evangelism and people, 22:34 you know, were shocked 22:35 and never heard these things before. 22:36 You know, how many people knew that Patrick 22:38 was a Sabbath keeper and not a Catholic saint. 22:41 So out of that, when he began to see the facts, 22:44 he really wanted to produce a documentary 22:46 that would trace that history for secular audience, 22:51 not just for us who already knew it 22:53 because not everybody is ready to sit down 22:55 and have a Bible study, 22:57 but history is disarming 22:59 and you can't argue with the facts of history. 23:01 So do a project on the Sabbath 23:03 from a purely historical perspective 23:07 and something that wouldn't be threatening 23:11 to a non-Christian audience. 23:12 Right. Wow. 23:14 Just show here's what happened in history 23:15 and here's with this conflict was about 23:17 and here's what that conflict was about. 23:19 And that would, you know, many times, 23:21 there was always just significance and conflicts 23:23 that we don't know anything about. 23:26 So that was his goal 23:29 and we had watched God open doors. 23:32 Jim always prayed for a million dollars, 23:33 and I used to think, you know, 23:35 "Why do we really need a million dollars for?" 23:37 But we did really need million dollars 23:40 when I began to get into it, I saw the scope of it. 23:43 And we both knew God was going to accomplish this project. 23:46 You know, He'd open doors, He'd been providing funding, 23:48 He had got Jim into places like China 23:51 was closed for tourism so long, 23:53 and we had told our travel agent, 23:55 you know, he told him, 23:57 "I want to go across Taklamakan desert, 23:59 I wanna go to Sion, I want to go..." 24:01 And he named all these places 24:02 where there was evidence of early Christianity. 24:04 And he told the travel agent, 24:06 "When you can find a way for me to get there, you let me know." 24:09 And the travel agent called one day and he said, 24:11 "It's open, there's a tour, 24:13 it's going all the way across that desert 24:15 where you want to go." 24:16 And Jim said, "Well, book it for me." 24:18 And the agent said, 24:20 "I'll need a certain amount of money 24:21 by a certain day." 24:22 And Jim was going to take people with cameras. 24:24 There were four going. 24:25 So the day came, 24:27 he needed $1,400 to hold the place for everybody. 24:30 And, you know, Jim was an artist, 24:33 we're going to have extra money kicking around. 24:35 So that morning, a man came into the studio 24:38 that we didn't know 24:39 but he had heard something about the project. 24:41 And he said, "Tell me about what you're doing?" 24:44 And Jim explained it and he laughed 24:46 and he came back a little while later, 24:47 and he pulled a roll of bills out of his pocket 24:49 and handed it to Jim. 24:51 Fourteen hundred... 24:52 And it was 20 one hundred dollar bills, 24:54 $2000. 24:55 Wow, 2000. 24:56 So we hopped in the car 24:58 and we drove down to the travel agent 24:59 and Jim peeled off $1,400 and then Jim said to him, 25:02 "Do you want this other $600 toward the next payment?" 25:06 And he said, "No, when the time comes, 25:07 you'll have it." 25:09 And over and over again, we saw God do that. 25:12 Over and over again, I've seen God do that 25:14 for all these years 25:16 in providing ways that I could never imagine. 25:18 He sure does have a thousand ways 25:20 to provide that, we can't even think of. 25:23 So he was able to get into China, 25:24 he was able to go to Iraq and to other places 25:28 where there were bits of Sabbath history, 25:30 you know, he wouldn't be able to go to before. 25:32 We knew he was going to do it. 25:33 So when Jim died, 25:36 I knew that God was going to do that work. 25:38 And I felt like, I don't know how to do it 25:40 and I don't have the gifts that Jim had. 25:43 But I'd be willing if God could use me 25:47 and if I'm not willing, 25:48 God will find somebody else to do it. 25:50 So I know how to research and, unfortunately, 25:55 all of the information was in Jim's head. 25:58 He'd drawn out a story board of almost 600 frames 26:02 that had people and places and events in the order 26:04 that he wanted them to go, 26:06 but he had no documentation for anything, 26:09 a few scribbled notes and he just knew it. 26:12 So for me, that man, 26:13 I had to research and I had to document. 26:16 For me, I need to have careful documentation and footnotes 26:18 and all that. 26:19 So God had put this vision 26:22 and dream in your husband's heart 26:25 to produce a historical documentary 26:30 on the Sabbath. 26:31 And then he was in a tragic accident. 26:34 Then He let him die. 26:37 Only the vision lived in your heart 26:42 and so you're taking it forward under the grace of God. 26:46 Yeah, I knew God would do it. 26:49 So while I started researching, 26:51 I just kept praying that God would send people to do it. 26:54 I prayed that God would send people 26:55 who could do it better and quicker than me. 26:58 And I prayed specifically for a script-writer, 27:00 a producer and a right host for it. 27:03 But it took me eight years of research, 27:05 that's why I said I wanted God to send 27:06 someone who could do it quicker and better. 27:08 And, you know, there were people along the way 27:10 who would make remarks about 27:13 how it's never going to get done. 27:15 And I always felt like 27:16 those people are really dissing God not me 27:18 'cause this is His project and He's going to do it 27:21 and I don't care how long it takes, 27:23 and it's not mine, it's His. 27:26 But it became mine in the sense that it had been Jim's. 27:30 And I pulled together, 27:32 when I finished eight years later 27:34 or came to the conclusion, I came to... 27:36 I had a binder of over 200 pages 27:38 with 1,000 footnotes. 27:40 And my footnotes, 27:42 some of them had up to 10 sources. 27:44 And Dr. Domsky that the seminary 27:46 he had offered to be my scholar and go through everything, 27:49 look at all my sources and let me know 27:50 if something wasn't credible, you know, let me know 27:53 if there were areas that needed more documentation. 27:56 I mean, there were wonderful Sabbath stories 27:58 that we left out 27:59 because we couldn't find enough good documentation for it. 28:02 We wanted to be sure that 28:03 anything that we showed in that series, 28:06 anybody else could find 28:08 that the documentation was credible. 28:09 So that anybody could question it. 28:11 It had its integrity in that. Right. Right. 28:13 And I felt like mistakes in quotations 28:19 or mistakes in documentation 28:21 or inferior quality detracts 28:24 from the credibility of your message. 28:27 So it was important to us that we do it very well 28:31 and everything very accurately. 28:34 'Cause we didn't want to detract 28:35 from a message that's that important. 28:37 And, you know, it's not that the Sabbath 28:40 is just the fourth commandment so we all have to keep it. 28:43 The Sabbath is a symbol, 28:44 you know, it's a symbol of the fact 28:45 that we trust God with our souls. 28:47 It's a symbol of righteousness by faith. 28:49 When we rest from our own works every seventh day, 28:53 it's the symbol of the fact that we know 28:54 we can't save ourselves 28:56 that we're completely depended on the work of Christ 28:58 for our salvation and not on our own works, 29:01 and that's why to me the Sabbath is so important 29:04 and it's why I wanted to talk about it. 29:06 Not just a fact that everybody needs a rest 29:07 once a week. 29:09 But to instill in the hearts of even the non-believer, 29:13 the importance of that day that God sanctified, 29:17 the only day sanctified. 29:19 Yeah. And show that they, you know, they can rest. 29:22 We don't have to be responsible for ourselves. 29:25 You know, when my children were younger, 29:27 Jim was on a seven-week trip 29:28 which is a long time to be gone. 29:31 And about the end of the sixth week, 29:33 I was so discouraged with my kids 29:35 and all I could see was their faults. 29:37 And I was ready to just give it all up. 29:40 And I put them all to bed early on a Friday evening 29:42 and I sat down on the couch with my Bible, 29:44 and I cried and I said, 29:45 "God, look at my kids, they're hopeless. 29:48 And look at me, I can't even save myself 29:50 much less than my kids. 29:52 You got to talk to me." 29:54 And He brought me to these words in Isaiah 49, 29:58 where it says, "Can the prey be taken from the mighty 30:00 or the lawful captive delivered?" 30:03 You know, then it goes on to say, yes, 30:05 you know, it can be 30:06 and I'll contend with him who contends with you. 30:08 And I'll save your children. 30:10 And it was such a... 30:12 to me, it was really Sabbath symbolizes. 30:15 God is our Savior. 30:16 Of course, I can't save my kids 30:18 and, of course, I can't save myself, 30:20 it's not my job, it's God's job. 30:23 As He said He would do it and I can rest in that. 30:27 I can take those words 30:28 and I can believe them with all my heart 30:30 and I know that God does exactly 30:32 what He says he will do. 30:33 So you've got all these material, 30:35 all of these footnotes, 30:38 how are you going to get it together into a workable... 30:39 Well, and that was the next question. 30:42 I prayed for a scriptwriter 30:45 and a producer and a right host. 30:48 And a friend of mine Allen Reinecke, 30:51 with some religious liberty said, 30:53 "Well, give me a part of your script 30:54 and I'll give it to Jeff Wood, 30:55 he's a producer, done a lot of work. 30:57 And Jeff looked at it and called me in a week. 30:59 We got together and talked about it 31:01 and I showed him the whole rest of it 31:02 which was big. 31:03 I'd actually sent it out to about eight different people 31:06 in the film world and then they all said, 31:08 "This is way too big." 31:10 So Jeff looked at it and he said, 31:13 "Would you like a scriptwriter to come onboard?" 31:15 And I said, "Absolutely." 31:17 So he recommended his brother Jim. 31:19 So and then I said to Jeff, "What do you think 31:21 we're looking at in budget for this project?" 31:24 And he said, "I think it's a million dollar project." 31:26 And I'm like, "Yes, yeah." 31:30 So Jim Wood came on as the writer, 31:33 and Jim and Jeff and I worked on the scripts. 31:36 And Jim would write, 31:38 and we brainstorm and we write again 31:39 and we probably went through 50 revisions 31:41 on every one of the five parts. 31:43 And there was a lot that we left out like I said that, 31:45 there were stories that weren't well enough documented, 31:48 there were parts of the Church In The Wilderness theme 31:53 that was about health and education, 31:56 besides just the Sabbath, 31:57 you know, we tightened it up a bit 32:00 and then prayed for the right host. 32:02 And we wanted someone 32:05 that we could put on commercial television with. 32:07 And so we went to a casting agency, 32:09 and Hal Holbrook ended up being the first one to respond 32:13 when we sent out letters that he was interested. 32:16 And we ended up using him 32:17 and he just did a terrific job on it. 32:20 You know, I have seen, you know, the film before, 32:24 and it's very, very well done. 32:26 And I think we've got some clips from that film. 32:29 Would you like to allow our viewers to see some of that? 32:32 I would. I would. 32:34 The first clip is a story that was used all 32:38 through over a period of six or seven centuries 32:41 in different places. 32:42 And that's the first clip we'll show, 32:45 we'll talk about a little bit afterwards. 32:46 A Letter from Heaven. A Letter from Heaven. 32:48 Okay, let's see that. 32:52 It's clear that loyalty to the Sabbath 32:55 of the fourth commandment did not die out easily. 32:59 Roman Church efforts to promote 33:01 the Sunday alternative continued. 33:03 One novel approach took the form of a letter, 33:07 a letter that supposedly came directly from heaven. 33:14 God hasn't joined Sunday to be kept holy. 33:18 For God's own hand has written that to man to mend 33:23 lest they should do either work or survive a labor on Sunday. 33:29 The letter itself claims to have been written by Jesus, 33:33 and we are told that it appeared 33:35 on the altar of Saint Peter in Rome and that the priest, 33:38 who was saying mass, discovered it there 33:41 and was obviously quite scared by it. 33:44 A letter from heaven, think about it. 33:48 Who wouldn't want one of those to support their opinions? 33:53 I would, wouldn't you? I would. 33:54 He is very good. 33:55 We actually do have a letter from heaven 33:57 to support our opinion. 33:59 Yeah. He is very good. He did a great job. 34:02 And there is another little clip from that series 34:04 that I'd like to show that goes along with it. 34:07 A Letter from Heaven B. Yeah. 34:09 Okay, let's watch it. 34:11 Some of the threats in the letter 34:13 are quite fantastical 34:14 and perhaps even frightening. 34:16 We are told that great beasts and locusts are simply waiting 34:20 to avenge the transgression of Sunday. 34:23 There will be massive rainstorms 34:25 with thunder and lightning, hailstones. 34:28 There'll be flying serpents in the sky. 34:31 So basically, a whole lot of evil 34:34 and destruction 34:36 is going to occur if people violate the law of Sunday. 34:39 You know, people were ignorant in those days. 34:43 And that had an impact, and yet in spite of that, 34:46 the Sabbath persevered was not lost. 34:50 You know, there was a time 34:51 when people were not allowed to be very educated 34:53 and only the priest could even read the Bible, 34:56 hardly anyone could even read the Bible 34:58 in their language at that time. 34:59 Right. 35:00 There is another story that I think is interesting 35:02 that probably people never heard about, 35:04 and it's from the 15th century with a priest in Spain. 35:11 And I'd like to show that clip next. 35:12 Yeah, okay. Constantino. 35:14 Constantino de la Fuente. Okay, let's watch this one. 35:19 Members of the newly formed society of Jesus, the Jesuits, 35:24 became suspicious of Constantino 35:27 after hearing his sermons. 35:29 The office of the inquisition repeatedly 35:31 called him in to explain his teachings. 35:34 His friends were concerned. 35:37 He told them, "They want me to be burned. 35:40 But they found that I'm still too green." 35:44 Officers of the inquisition finally arrested him 35:47 in August of 1558, 35:50 and took him to the inquisitor's prison 35:52 just outside Seville. 35:55 Cut off from his friends and supporters 35:58 and from the crowds that used to fill the cathedral, 36:02 Constantino Ponce de la Fuente 36:04 suffered his last days in a pitiless death trap. 36:09 There was no crowd to hear his final words 36:12 when he died in February 1560, 36:16 another victim of the Spanish inquisition. 36:21 Just to set that up a little better, 36:23 Constantino was a very highly placed 36:29 priest in Spain. 36:31 He traveled with the king himself. 36:33 But he read the Bible, 36:35 and he came across righteousness 36:37 by faith and the Sabbath. 36:40 And he had a group of people who'd meet regularly, 36:42 they called themselves "the secret Christian church." 36:45 And so they aroused the suspicion of the Jesuits 36:48 because he was preaching some of these doctrines. 36:52 And what happened is somebody raided the home 36:55 of one of the woman 36:56 that was part of the secret Christian church 36:58 and found his writings. 37:00 And of course, he wouldn't deny them, 37:02 and this is what happened to him. 37:05 There are so many stories 37:06 that I had never heard about growing up. 37:09 So many heroes, you know, so many people 37:13 who spoke noble words on their death bed, 37:16 no, not willing to give up 37:19 what they knew to be true 37:21 no matter what happened to them. 37:24 One thing that I never knew 37:26 before doing this research was that in England 37:29 between the 16th and the 18th centuries, 37:31 the subject of the Seventh-day Sabbath 37:33 was agitated in every major denomination. 37:37 There were those who wanted the Church of England 37:39 to go back to the real Bible Sabbath. 37:42 You know, among the Baptists the Sabbath was agitated 37:45 in five different major churches. 37:48 You know, why did I never hear of that? 37:51 I don't know. 37:52 It's part of our heritage, you know. 37:54 And it was out of those Sabbath keeping churches in England 37:58 that the Sabbath first came to America 38:00 in the 1700s, 1781 I think it was. 38:05 I have a little clip of Theophilus Brabourne, 38:10 who was a clergyman in England during that time period 38:13 and what he thought of the Sabbath. 38:16 Shall we watch that one? Oh, yes. 38:17 Let's see that one too. 38:21 The matter is clear. 38:22 It takes only our own records of days and weeks 38:26 to make it into the argument. 38:28 It is the seventh day, 38:30 the Sabbath of creation that we need to keep holing. 38:35 When you can show me from a scripture 38:37 that there is any other seventh day 38:39 than the day we call Saturday, the last day of the week, 38:43 then I might be persuaded 38:46 that the fourth commandment 38:47 means some other seventh day besides Saturday. 38:54 So we have such a history of those ministers 38:59 that would stand up in their pulpits and advocate 39:04 that the Sabbath is this day 39:06 that we should be worshipping on. 39:07 Yeah. And suffer prosecution for it. 39:09 Oh, so many, we have seen such horrendous persecution. 39:13 Now all of this is in the film 39:16 that was in your husband's heart out 39:18 when he met with his tragic death... 39:21 That's right. 39:22 And then was birthed into your heart 39:25 and it's all the history of the Sabbath. 39:29 Tell me about the film, how long is this film? 39:32 It's five parts. 39:34 So it's about five hours. 39:36 And each part covers 39:37 a different time period in history. 39:39 And then of course, we did a bonus features DVD 39:41 at the end that, kind of, goes with it. 39:43 And this has been finished for several years now, 39:46 a number of years. 39:47 It's been translated into 25 different languages, 39:51 and it's being shown all over the world now. 39:54 And we get responses from people 39:56 who have watched it and who never knew. 39:58 You know, people will write to me 40:00 who never ever had any idea. 40:02 First of all, 40:04 even that Saturday is the seventh day 40:06 that Hal Holbrook said to me, you know, he said, 40:09 "I never thought about Saturday being the seventh day." 40:12 I said, "Well, yeah. Look at the calendar." 40:13 He says, "I did. I have looked at the calendar. 40:16 You are right." 40:17 It is. 40:19 Okay, so I know this has been completed now for many years 40:23 and I know that many people 40:26 are watching and listening today. 40:30 And they are thinking, 40:31 "Well, I would like to see this all five hours of this." 40:36 And shortly, we're going to give you an address roll 40:39 that will tell you how to get in contact with Pat, of course, 40:42 but let me just say this, it's easy to obtain it. 40:47 And I know you can just go to her website 40:49 and we'll give you this information later as well. 40:52 And there are other projects 40:54 that we're going to talk about here in just a moment. 40:56 But it's LLT Productions, go to that website 40:59 and you're going to find these excellent documentaries 41:04 that will give you so much solid information. 41:07 So, Pat, I believe you've got that in your hands. 41:09 I was just going to, you know, hold it up so people can see. 41:11 The title of it is The Seventh Day. 41:14 And it's hosted by Hal Holbrook. 41:16 Right. Okay. 41:19 And I think that you've done other projects. 41:21 Tell us about the next project. I will. 41:24 You know, we felt like 41:25 the Sabbath is really an important topic, 41:27 and I feel like what happens at death 41:29 is a really important project 41:31 because first of all everyone's going 41:32 to do die sooner or later. 41:34 True. 41:35 So we should all want to know it's going to happen to us 41:36 when we die. 41:38 And I think there's a lot of misinformation out there 41:39 and a lot of people are confused 41:41 about what happens at death. 41:43 And I, particularly, 41:45 hate the doctrine of eternal torment. 41:49 I hate that people would think 41:51 that a God that loves us so much 41:54 that He sent His son to die in my place 41:58 would take someone who didn't accept that 42:00 and put him in a fire for eternity. 42:02 You know, how could it be 42:04 that someone could be kept alive 42:06 to suffer year after year and decade and millennia, 42:10 it's a wrong picture of God. 42:12 And I think if people 42:13 have a wrong picture of God that way, 42:15 they don't see the rest of who God is either. 42:17 So we wanted to do something on the state of the dead. 42:20 We talked about doing a documentary 42:21 and we gathered a group together 42:24 to brainstorm about it. 42:25 And ultimately, we decided to do a feature film 42:29 based on a true story. 42:31 And it's the story of a man, 42:33 the name of it is Hell and Mr. Fudge, 42:35 and it's really about a man named Mr. Fudge. 42:38 Hell and Mr. Fudge. Hell and Mr. Fudge. 42:41 And Mr. Fudge was a real man. 42:45 He was a real pastor and scholar. 42:48 And he was hired to find out 42:50 what the Bible really teaches about eternal torment. 42:53 He believed in eternal torment, 42:56 but by the time he finished his research, 42:58 he had a different view. 42:59 And he researches very thoroughly, 43:01 the person who hired him wanted him to research 43:03 not only the Old and New Testament 43:05 but intertestamental writings, 43:07 and early and late church scholars, 43:10 and Jewish historians, and, you know, 43:12 a very thorough wide research. 43:15 And what he came to 43:17 from that was a great surprise to him. 43:19 He didn't expect to change his own mind. 43:22 What he came to foundationally is that the idea 43:26 that a body and soul are separate, 43:28 didn't come from the Bible, it came from Greek philosophy. 43:33 Mythology, yes. 43:34 So that was a surprise to him 43:36 that the soul doesn't separate from the body at death 43:39 but like Genesis 1 says, or Genesis 2, 43:43 "God breathe into man the breath of life." 43:44 And he became a living soul, a living person. 43:47 So the word "soul" in the Bible is often misunderstood. 43:51 So we made a film based on his story, 43:55 just to use it as a vehicle to show a little bit 43:58 about the truth about eternal torment. 44:00 You know, the question that you are addressing, 44:03 so many people formed the wrong opinion of God 44:06 on that very issue that you are addressing. 44:09 And we've got some rolls on that as well. 44:12 Let's look at those video clips. 44:17 Is he in hell? 44:20 Is Davey in hell? 44:23 Well, was Davey baptized? 44:27 No. 44:38 That's a tragic thing to die 44:40 without knowing that you weren't. 44:42 Then that's what you are saying that Davey is burning in hell. 44:45 It's not what I say, 44:47 the Bible is clear on that point. 44:50 You see, it's important to God, and the wages of sin is death. 44:58 He's going to burn forever 44:59 for just wanting to see the world. 45:06 His perspective is not unusual. 45:09 The majority of Christians in this world 45:12 don't believe in death. 45:13 They believe in either eternal life in heaven 45:15 or eternal life in hell. 45:18 So it wasn't surprising that he misunderstood that. 45:22 And look at the impact it had on the young man? 45:24 Yeah. 45:25 I know this is a depiction but it is powerful. 45:29 He lost a friend, and where was his friend to be. 45:34 We don't know what the Bible really teaches. 45:36 I know people who have completely thrown God out 45:39 because they were taught that God torments the lost. 45:42 Yeah. 45:43 In this young man's mind, 45:45 his friend was in eternal torment. 45:47 Yeah, and undeserving of that. Right. 45:49 Right. Yeah. 45:51 And you have another clip from the same film. 45:55 Let's look at that as well. 45:59 I found missing piece of the puzzle. 46:01 Okay. 46:03 Here it is. It is so simple. 46:05 I don't know how I missed that. I mean, we have all missed it. 46:08 It is this idea of the immortal soul. 46:11 Now yeah, that's the part of us 46:12 that supposedly lives on after we die. 46:14 Yeah. Okay. 46:16 It turns out it is a myth. 46:20 It doesn't exist. Bible never mentions it. 46:22 Now somehow it's snuck its way into our beliefs 46:24 spending 2,000 years, and it's a lie. 46:27 A lie? 46:33 Strong word. I know. 46:39 So he studies the Word of God, 46:42 it's amazing that the scripture that says, 46:44 "You shall know the truth 46:46 and the truth shall make you free", 46:48 when you study God's Word, it exposes the era. 46:52 It's a wonderful thing to know that God is truly merciful, 46:56 and fair, just, 46:59 and that we don't have to be afraid of Him. 47:01 So this project that you did, the State of the Dead, 47:05 how long is it? 47:07 It's an hour and half, regular feature film like. 47:10 And it's the story of this Mr. Fudge 47:14 and his journey 47:16 as he investigates the state of the dead. 47:19 And the opposition that he faces, 47:23 the conclusions that he draws from the truth of God's Word, 47:27 it's very enlightening, and it's very encouraging. 47:30 Yes. 47:31 It's kind of an introduction 47:32 to the whole topic of what happens at death. 47:34 Yes. 47:35 Well, and again, we're going to give you 47:37 an address roll shortly. 47:38 But again, go to LLT Productions, 47:41 and you can get both of these projects. 47:44 And there is another project, 47:45 and we're quickly running out of time. 47:47 So let's look at this third project very quickly. 47:50 The third project that I wanted to talk about 47:51 is The Wandering Day. 47:53 And this is the story that took place, 47:55 it's a documentary, that took place in the 1930s 47:59 when the League of Nations wanted to bring a new calendar 48:01 to the world that they believed would unite the world. 48:03 It would be good for business, 48:05 it would unite a world 48:06 that was living under many different calendars 48:09 and different cultures. 48:10 The problem with it was, 48:11 it was a 13 28-day month a year. 48:17 Now if you multiply 13 times 28, you get 364 48:21 which meant that there is an extra day 48:22 at the end of the year. 48:24 So what do you do with that day, 48:25 their idea was that you make that a non-week day. 48:29 So you've got... 48:31 You get to that every month, every year starts on Sunday, 48:33 every month starts on Sunday, every month ends on Saturday. 48:36 And then you get to the last Saturday night of the year, 48:38 and the next day is still part of the year 48:40 but it's going to be a blank day, 48:42 it's not going to be a part of the week. 48:44 So you get Saturday night, you have, 48:46 whatever you decide to name this day, 48:47 and then Sunday is the next day. 48:49 So if you adopted that kind of a calendar, every year, 48:52 Sabbath is going to be pushed back 48:54 to a different day of the year 48:56 because you've stuck that extra day in there. 48:58 And Jews and Adventists opposed that calendar for that reason, 49:01 they wanted Sabbath to be kept on the right day. 49:04 And the Jews said, "You know, this is going to disenfranchise 49:07 millions of your faithful citizens." 49:10 And it was through the testimony, 49:12 unexpected testimony of Jews and Adventists 49:15 who were attending the League of Nations Committee 49:19 where this whole thing was turned around. 49:21 It was an Adventist doctor 49:23 who was able to testify 49:25 and share something of his own story, 49:26 and let's watch that clip. 49:28 Okay, let's watch that clip. 49:31 My Seventh-day Adventist parents 49:33 did not send me to school on Saturdays. 49:39 Again, and again, 49:44 my mother was brought before the judge. 49:47 Again and again, fines went boost... 49:53 my parents did not withheld. 49:58 I'm brought nearly to tears as... 50:02 I remember my dear mother's hands, 50:06 red and hot 50:09 from walking to earn money to pay these fines. 50:13 In addition to her duties at home, 50:15 she was obliged to wash the clothes of other families 50:20 just to appease the demands of a heartless tyranny. 50:25 It was the testimony of Dr. Nussbaum 50:28 ultimately that changed the minds, 50:31 and the committee actually never even voted on it. 50:36 There were those who tried to bring it up in later years 50:38 but it never floated and, you know, 50:41 we can thank God 50:43 that we haven't had many years of difficulties 50:44 over Sabbath because of that. 50:46 Yes. That would be a travesty. Yes. 50:48 And I know we have one more roll, 50:50 and our time is quickly getting away from us. 50:52 Let's watch the last roll. Okay. 50:55 There are, however, a few people 50:58 who stand in the way, 51:00 fortunately, only a small minority. 51:05 By insisting on their own rights, 51:08 they failed to show love for their fellowmen. 51:13 Their interpretation of the Sabbath 51:15 is far too literal. 51:18 Surely God will be happy with one day in seven. 51:23 So you have seen clips from three 51:26 very, very informative 51:29 and just encouraging the Sabbath, 51:34 the State of the Dead, and The Wondering Day. 51:37 And if you would like to get these videos, here is how. 51:42 Let me give you the address roll. 51:44 Get your pin and paper, 51:45 write this down and you can contact Pat. 51:48 Here is the information. 51:52 Over the years, video programs, documentaries, 51:55 printed materials, and television broadcasts 51:57 from LLT Productions have enlightened 52:00 and inspired people of many faiths and creeds 52:03 all around the world. 52:05 We invite you to explore LLT's website, 52:08 LLTProductions.com 52:10 to discover products and materials 52:12 that instruct, uplift, and inspire. 52:15 Their website again is LLTProductions.com. 52:19 You may also call them at (707) 965-2786 52:24 or write to them at LLT Productions, 52:26 P.O. 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