I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Well, hello and
welcome to 3ABN today.
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It is always a joy
to have you join with us
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as we introduce you
to another guest today.
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We've got a lady with us.
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She's just got an incredible
life story to share with us.
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And I think it's a story
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that's going to
minister to a lot of our needs.
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And I ask her to if
you could just encapsulate
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what our programs
going to be about today,
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here's what she told me,
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"Making gold out of dirt."
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And, you know, I just related
with that very statement.
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Pat, it's so good to
have you with us today.
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Pat Arrabito, you're
with LLT Productions.
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I believe you're a producer.
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So tell me what a producer
at LLT Productions does.
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We make films.
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You make films? Yeah.
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And we're going to talk
about those films, aren't we?
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Yes.
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That is going to
be so interesting.
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But first, we
want to know about Pat.
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We want to know your life story.
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And I know you've been through
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some wonderful times
and some tragic times.
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But, Pat, before
we go into your story,
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we have got a gentleman here
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that's going to
sing a song for us.
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He's going to minister to us.
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"Great is Thy faithfulness."
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Have you found
God's faithfulness
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to be the one
thing that keeps us going
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and keeps us on the right track?
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Well, we have got a gentleman,
his name is Jonathan Kasabasic,
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and he's going to just minister
that beautiful song to us now.
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When we come back,
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we're going to find
out all about Pat Arrabito.
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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O God, my Father
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There is no shadow
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Of turning with Thee
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Thou changes not
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Thy compassions, they fail not
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As Thou hast been
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Thou forever will be
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Morning by morning
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New mercies I see
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All I have needed
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Thy hand hath provided
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Lord unto me
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Pardon for sin
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And a peace, peace that endure
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Thine own dear presence
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To cheer and to guide
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Strength for today
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And bright hope for tomorrow
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Blessings all mine
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With ten thousand beside
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Morning by morning
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New mercies I see
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All I have needed
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Thy hand hath provided
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Lord unto me
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Great is Thy faithfulness
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Lord unto me
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Thank you, Jonathan.
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Again, Pat, that is just
one of my most favorite song.
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It's beautiful. God is faithful.
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If it wasn't for
that faithfulness,
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I don't know what
any others would do.
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Well, Pat, I mentioned earlier
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that you're a
producer at LLT Productions,
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but before you
were making films,
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I know that a lot
transpired in your life.
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And I would like for our
viewers and our listeners
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to get to know Pat Arrabito
and her story, her life story,
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I think it'll
minister to so many.
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So please share with us. Sure.
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I'm probably just
one of millions of people
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whose life didn't turn out
the way they thought it would,
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didn't treat them
the way it ought to off.
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And I've seen God's hand in
just amazing ways in my life.
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I'm making films,
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but my education was
actually marriage counseling.
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But I didn't end up doing
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what I thought
I was going to do.
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I married Jim Arrabito,
and we have four children.
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And I felt like I had everything
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that really counts in life.
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We had a happy home.
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And my kids that I loved,
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I got to be home
and raise my kids
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in homeschooled them.
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And Jim loved evangelism,
he did art work for a loving,
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but his passion was evangelism,
so we did a lot of traveling,
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and, you know, a
lot of evangelism
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in different churches.
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And really, just
such a rich and full life
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and I was so blessed.
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And I'm still very blessed.
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You know, I
think that's a picture,
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perhaps, of your family
there on the screen now.
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Yeah, they are,
that's when we had three
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and the fourth
one was on the way,
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you know, in that picture.
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So all four,
they're just we can't see...
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You can't see
number four yet. Okay.
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Just learned that
number four was on the way.
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So my husband,
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well, he did art
work, he loved evangelism.
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And he was always
putting together programs,
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he was very visual.
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So he would do
his own photography,
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he would produce visual programs
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and share those in churches.
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And then ended up
doing a lot of traveling
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because of it.
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At one point, he learned a story
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about an Inupiat
native up in Alaska
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who heard voices.
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And God talked to him
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and actually
revealed himself to him
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and taught him about the Sabbath
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and many other things.
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He told him that
people are going to come,
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you know, in boats that
they didn't have to paddle
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and they were going to
come in boats in the air.
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And taught him about
hygiene and taught him
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that the father
was more powerful
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than the shamans
and then the spirits.
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And so Maniilaq was his name,
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he would
purposely break the taboos
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to show the people
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that the father
was more powerful
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than the shamans.
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And when he learned about
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Seventh-day
"resting" in a cultural
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that didn't even
have weekly cycle.
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He would put up a
pole with a flag on it
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every seventh day
and tell the people,
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"On the day that
you see the flag,
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that's the day you
don't have to work.
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On that day you come to me,
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and I'll tell you
about the father."
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So Jim is going to
go do some filming,
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it's in all tradition up there,
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he took equipment to
film interviews with people
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who had those stories passed
on through their families.
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It was exciting for my boys
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because they always
wanted to go to Alaska.
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But now they could go
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'cause Daddy had enough
miles for two free tickets.
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All right. So my
oldest son Tony was 13.
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My second son Joey was 11.
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And then I had my third child,
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my daughter, Adel,
who was almost nine,
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and then my youngest son
Andy was seven at the time.
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And the two older went with Dad
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and the two younger
ones stayed home with me
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and we got ready for school.
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And the boys spent
10 days up in Alaska,
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fishing and
playing with native kids
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and flying in the
plane to little villages
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and just having
their time of their lives.
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Having a trip to
Alaska with their daddy
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on a missionary trip to Alaska.
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Yeah, yeah, yep.
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And he interviewed
people for that story.
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One little man
was so cute, he said,
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"When we were
children, we heard the story,
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Maniilaq said that people
were going to come in boats
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that went through the air."
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So he said, "When we
saw the first planes,
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we knew what it was
'cause Maniilaq had told us.
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In the boats that
went through the air.
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Yeah. He said, "We
watched them go by.
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And I watched till I
fell over backwards."
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So the stories
are very precious.
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On their way home,
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they were
flying in a small plane
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and with a native
pilot and a storm blew up.
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It was late at
night and, you know,
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they were heading
toward them Anchorage airport.
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We were expecting them to
land on a Monday afternoon,
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and one of our helpers had gone
to the airport to pick them up.
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And, you know, every
day while they were gone,
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my two younger children and
I prayed for their safe return.
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Of course.
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And we all could hardly
wait to hear all the stories.
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Our helper
called from the airport
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and said they
didn't get off this plane,
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they're not on plane.
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And that was kind of odd to me
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'cause I thought they
would at least called me
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if they knew they
missed their flight
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but I hadn't heard anything,
and when I called up to Alaska,
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I found out that
their small plane
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had never arrived in
Anchorage the night before.
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Oh, my...
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So of course, I
was a little shocked,
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but then on the other hand,
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I had seen God
work in so many ways
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and in the project
that Jim is working on,
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we had seen God's hand
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and we knew that
God was going to do it,
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and I knew that
God needed Jim to do it
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'cause it was His project.
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And I also knew that God
will never let me lose a child
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'cause here's what it says,
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you know, there's
no temptation taken
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that is common to man,
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and there's nothing
too hard for you to bear
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and God would always
provide a way of escape.
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And God knew that
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I couldn't bear to
lose a child, so...
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So you had all of
these firm beliefs?
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Absolutely, firm
beliefs. And I wasn't worried.
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That night before
they took off late at night
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and the storm was coming up
and they were in a small plane.
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Well, I didn't know
anything about that at the time.
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I knew that they were flying
that afternoon and evening...
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How long ago was this?
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This was 1990. Nineteen-ninety.
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You know, it's almost...
It's going on 28 years.
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And you think that's
really a lot of time ago,
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it's a long time to still
have any feelings about it.
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But when you lose
people that you love,
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it's like yesterday and forever.
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So how did you come to realize
that things weren't working out
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as well as you
were anticipating?
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Well, you know, so we
know Search and Rescue was out
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looking for the
plane, the weather was bad,
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they couldn't go
out much that day.
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And I had to just wait and...
Oh, that must be really hard.
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You know, I didn't worry a lot
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'cause I was quite sure
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that God was
taking care of my family.
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But when I went
to bed that night,
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I prayed and I said to God,
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"I know that you are good,
and I know you love my family,
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and I know that we have
this project we're doing
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and, but I need You talk to me."
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And I opened the Bible
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and I had been
studying in the book of Job,
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I just wanted to
understand Job's experience
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and I was going through
the book for the second time,
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and so it's not surprising that
I opened to the book of Job.
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But the words that I
came to were not words
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that I had noticed before
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and it was in Job
23:10 and it said,
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"I know the way
that you had taken
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when I tried you, you
shall come forth as gold."
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And I thought, you know,
"How come He gave me that one.
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You know, what does that mean?
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Does that mean it's just a trial
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to have to wait?"
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So the next day, we waited still
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and my house
filled up with people.
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Everyone was waiting with us,
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our pastor, our
friends, my father.
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And early afternoon,
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Search and Rescue called
that they had located the plane
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and they were going to
send a helicopter there.
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And they still had
no news for me on it.
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My brother's a pilot,
and he had been following
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and keeping in
touch with them as well.
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He lived about lesser
than an hour flight away.
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And he called me and he said,
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"I'm just going to
fly over and be with you
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when you get the news."
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So my dad picked
him up at the LA airport
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and when he got to my house,
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he came in and
took me by the hand
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and took me outside.
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And my dad and my brother
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just wrapped
their arms around me
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and my brother said
there are no survivors.
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Yeah. So sorry.
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You know, the words
just kind of hurled around
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and I don't even know
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how long I was
out there, I just...
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I think I was having
an out of body experience.
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But through that, you
know, there are no survivors,
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these words just
came into my heart
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that there are survivors,
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you know, 'cause I'm still here
and my two youngest children
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are still here and we were...
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Our family was one.
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We were a unit and my
husband and I were one.
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And it's like,
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you know, the
whole unit isn't gone,
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there is still part of us here.
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About that time,
somebody came in from house
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and they said,
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"You know, your kids
are getting restless,
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you need to just back in."
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And my son, my youngest son,
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who was seven
naturally a little pessimistic
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than everybody
else in the family
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but anyway, he
just ran across the room
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and he just yelled,
"Daddy's dead, isn't he?"
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And, you know, to
have to acknowledge that
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when I'm the parent
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and I'm
supposed to protect them,
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you know, I felt like
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it's my job to
protect my children
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and I couldn't protect them.
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And I had to deliver
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that blow that
knocked him off his feet.
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And then, you know,
both kids were on my lap,
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all of a sudden and
my daughter is saying,
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"How about Tony and Joey?"
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And I had to say
they are gone too.
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And I felt like, you
know, we're at this tiny spot,
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that's the most
intense agony in the universe
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and it's a gigantic universe
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and here we are
at this tiny spot.
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Does God see us,
does He know we're there,
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does He hear us,
does He feel our cry.
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And there was
such a sense of peace
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that came over me,
00:17:06.92\00:17:08.39
such a core of peace in my heart
00:17:08.42\00:17:10.49
that I knew it was not me,
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and it was such a sense to me
00:17:12.69\00:17:14.13
that my loss was God's loss too.
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And my heart
agony was His agony,
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and He wouldn't
get to see our family
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either until the resurrection.
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And I just felt all of
that as I'm sitting there.
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And then my daughter said,
00:17:28.51\00:17:30.45
"Mom, I'm sure glad that
you're not the kind of person
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who blames God for everything."
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Amen.
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And I thought,
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"Does she feel God here too
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and does she know His presence?"
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And my son being at
different temperament,
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you know, he was
just thinking all about,
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"Where is God?"
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You know, like,
he felt responsible,
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he felt guilty like
they must not have liked him.
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Like he felt, "I'm so
bad that they didn't like me,
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I'm so bad God
doesn't even like me either."
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And he felt like,
00:18:00.14\00:18:01.74
"If God is
loving as He says He is,
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He wouldn't let
that happen to me.
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If God is as
strong as He says He is,
00:18:05.98\00:18:08.05
He would have stopped it."
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You know, and all these things
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are going through
that seven-year-old mind.
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Which are very
typical, very typical,
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I think, ways of
responding to that situation.
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Yeah, yeah. Very typical.
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And, you know, over time
he expressed those things
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and we talked
about them and, you know,
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we read scriptures
and we memorized them.
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And I think it
was more for him too
00:18:29.57\00:18:34.21
as all the men in the family,
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and he was the only man left
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and it was like
gravity was gone.
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You know, he was always...
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He was always a kid that
was too much in every way.
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And they were his
mentors and they were
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his kind of kept a
lid on him, you know.
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And it was very hard for him,
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he didn't know
how to deal with it.
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For my daughter, it
was a little different.
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She didn't want
to think about it.
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She didn't want to
let herself go there.
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It took her five years
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before she could
really let herself
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acknowledge the hugeness of it.
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The need that she
felt, at that point,
00:19:09.44\00:19:13.45
she made commitment
with God as an adult.
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But when her dad was gone,
00:19:15.55\00:19:16.89
it was like God
was gone for her.
00:19:16.92\00:19:18.95
And she said, she
just couldn't get him back,
00:19:18.99\00:19:22.39
it was such a struggle.
00:19:22.42\00:19:23.76
But I'm thinking of the song
00:19:23.79\00:19:25.96
that Jonathan
sang a little earlier,
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"Great is Thy faithfulness"
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and he was
faithful to your family
00:19:29.36\00:19:31.43
and brought them through
00:19:31.47\00:19:33.10
using different
coping mechanisms, I realize.
00:19:33.13\00:19:36.30
And... He carried us.
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We have to say He carried us.
00:19:37.77\00:19:39.24
And here you are,
almost 28 years later,
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and you are just
doing great and mighty feats
00:19:45.15\00:19:49.38
for the kingdom of God.
00:19:49.42\00:19:51.32
So God picked you up
00:19:51.35\00:19:52.69
and brought you and
your family through that.
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You know, there were days
00:19:56.19\00:19:57.53
when I wished the
sun wouldn't rise,
00:19:57.56\00:20:00.03
days when I wished
morning wouldn't come
00:20:00.06\00:20:02.66
because then I have to
be faced with the reality
00:20:02.70\00:20:05.00
that this isn't a
dream and it's really true.
00:20:05.03\00:20:07.44
And, you know, what happens
to your kids happens to you.
00:20:07.47\00:20:09.67
Absolutely.
00:20:09.70\00:20:11.04
So it was not just my
grief, it was their grief too,
00:20:11.07\00:20:13.21
and learning how to live
00:20:13.24\00:20:14.58
with just three of us in a house
00:20:14.61\00:20:16.14
that had been
full of six people.
00:20:16.18\00:20:18.51
I gave my son the dishes
to set the table one morning
00:20:18.55\00:20:22.28
and he held them for
a minute and he said,
00:20:22.32\00:20:25.39
"Only three dishes?
00:20:25.42\00:20:27.16
Only three bowls?"
00:20:27.19\00:20:29.52
And he was like, you know,
00:20:29.56\00:20:31.63
like there was no
normal to our life anymore.
00:20:31.66\00:20:34.26
I try to keep
structure and schedule,
00:20:34.30\00:20:37.23
but it was learning to
live a different kind of life,
00:20:37.27\00:20:40.17
and it was hard for
the kids to be home.
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It was just too quite, it
was too different and yet,
00:20:42.50\00:20:48.58
you know, there
was God and He did,
00:20:48.61\00:20:50.41
He walked us
through it, He helped us.
00:20:50.45\00:20:52.21
And I know it felt like,
00:20:52.25\00:20:53.68
why was my question,
I always felt like...
00:20:53.72\00:20:56.42
My real question was
00:20:56.45\00:20:57.79
do I trust God or
do I not trust God.
00:20:57.82\00:20:59.25
Right.
00:20:59.29\00:21:00.62
And I chose that I do trust him
00:21:00.66\00:21:02.59
because I too
believe God is good
00:21:02.62\00:21:04.83
and I believe that He loves me,
00:21:04.86\00:21:07.23
and if those things are true,
if I complain then I'm saying,
00:21:07.26\00:21:12.90
"I don't believe it."
00:21:12.93\00:21:14.27
Right.
00:21:14.30\00:21:15.94
So...
00:21:15.97\00:21:17.31
So you're belief
system was totally challenged,
00:21:17.34\00:21:20.38
and you're bound to
question to some degree,
00:21:20.41\00:21:26.55
and I've said this before,
00:21:26.58\00:21:28.12
there's nothing wrong in
questioning your beliefs,
00:21:28.15\00:21:32.09
just don't
believe your questions,
00:21:32.12\00:21:34.09
you know, and so as you
look deeper into it, evidently,
00:21:34.12\00:21:38.13
the Lord showed
you His faithful hand.
00:21:38.16\00:21:40.63
You know, He was right there
00:21:40.66\00:21:42.40
and, you know, we had
seen a lot of evidence of Him
00:21:42.43\00:21:46.40
prior to that in the
project Jim was working on.
00:21:46.43\00:21:49.80
And a lot of
evidence, I mean I have to say
00:21:49.84\00:21:51.91
God gave me
preparation for that.
00:21:51.94\00:21:54.68
I wanted to ask you
00:21:54.71\00:21:56.04
what happened to the
project that he was working on.
00:21:56.08\00:21:59.28
Well, his dream was to
produce a documentary series
00:21:59.31\00:22:03.22
that would trace the Sabbath
00:22:03.25\00:22:04.59
through the
centuries and he had...
00:22:04.62\00:22:06.52
We had been a book
00:22:06.55\00:22:07.89
that went into some
of that Sabbath history.
00:22:07.92\00:22:09.82
And Jim and I were
both raised Sabbath keepers
00:22:09.86\00:22:13.09
but we didn't
know our own heritage
00:22:13.13\00:22:15.26
and we had never
heard those stories.
00:22:15.30\00:22:17.00
I kind of thought that,
you know, Sabbath, probably,
00:22:17.03\00:22:20.04
began down there in 1800s
00:22:20.07\00:22:21.90
when the Adventist Church began.
00:22:21.94\00:22:24.21
So when we read the stories
00:22:24.24\00:22:26.21
and saw that God
had always had a people
00:22:26.24\00:22:29.41
who would preserve the Sabbath,
00:22:29.44\00:22:31.18
Jim again sharing that
in evangelism and people,
00:22:31.21\00:22:34.02
you know, were shocked
00:22:34.05\00:22:35.38
and never heard
these things before.
00:22:35.42\00:22:36.75
You know, how many
people knew that Patrick
00:22:36.79\00:22:38.12
was a Sabbath keeper
and not a Catholic saint.
00:22:38.15\00:22:41.42
So out of that, when
he began to see the facts,
00:22:41.46\00:22:44.53
he really wanted to
produce a documentary
00:22:44.56\00:22:46.80
that would trace that
history for secular audience,
00:22:46.83\00:22:50.97
not just for us
who already knew it
00:22:51.00\00:22:52.97
because not
everybody is ready to sit down
00:22:53.00\00:22:55.74
and have a Bible study,
00:22:55.77\00:22:57.27
but history is disarming
00:22:57.31\00:22:59.11
and you can't argue
with the facts of history.
00:22:59.14\00:23:01.38
So do a project on the Sabbath
00:23:01.41\00:23:03.58
from a purely
historical perspective
00:23:03.61\00:23:07.12
and something that
wouldn't be threatening
00:23:07.15\00:23:11.42
to a non-Christian audience.
00:23:11.45\00:23:12.79
Right. Wow.
00:23:12.82\00:23:14.16
Just show here's
what happened in history
00:23:14.19\00:23:15.56
and here's with
this conflict was about
00:23:15.59\00:23:17.26
and here's what
that conflict was about.
00:23:17.29\00:23:19.76
And that would,
you know, many times,
00:23:19.79\00:23:21.83
there was always just
significance and conflicts
00:23:21.86\00:23:23.87
that we don't
know anything about.
00:23:23.90\00:23:26.43
So that was his goal
00:23:26.47\00:23:29.67
and we had
watched God open doors.
00:23:29.70\00:23:32.17
Jim always prayed
for a million dollars,
00:23:32.21\00:23:33.74
and I used to think, you know,
00:23:33.78\00:23:35.11
"Why do we really need
a million dollars for?"
00:23:35.14\00:23:37.65
But we did really
need million dollars
00:23:37.68\00:23:40.25
when I began to get into
it, I saw the scope of it.
00:23:40.28\00:23:43.35
And we both knew God was going
to accomplish this project.
00:23:43.39\00:23:46.55
You know, He'd open doors,
He'd been providing funding,
00:23:46.59\00:23:48.82
He had got Jim
into places like China
00:23:48.86\00:23:51.29
was closed for tourism so long,
00:23:51.33\00:23:53.70
and we had told
our travel agent,
00:23:53.73\00:23:55.76
you know, he told him,
00:23:55.80\00:23:57.13
"I want to go
across Taklamakan desert,
00:23:57.17\00:23:59.37
I wanna go to
Sion, I want to go..."
00:23:59.40\00:24:01.00
And he named all these places
00:24:01.04\00:24:02.37
where there was
evidence of early Christianity.
00:24:02.40\00:24:04.74
And he told the travel agent,
00:24:04.77\00:24:06.54
"When you can find a way for me
to get there, you let me know."
00:24:06.57\00:24:09.74
And the travel agent
called one day and he said,
00:24:09.78\00:24:11.85
"It's open, there's a tour,
00:24:11.88\00:24:13.42
it's going all the
way across that desert
00:24:13.45\00:24:15.48
where you want to go."
00:24:15.52\00:24:16.89
And Jim said,
"Well, book it for me."
00:24:16.92\00:24:18.79
And the agent said,
00:24:18.82\00:24:20.16
"I'll need a
certain amount of money
00:24:20.19\00:24:21.52
by a certain day."
00:24:21.56\00:24:22.89
And Jim was going to
take people with cameras.
00:24:22.92\00:24:24.26
There were four going.
00:24:24.29\00:24:25.63
So the day came,
00:24:25.66\00:24:27.13
he needed $1,400 to
hold the place for everybody.
00:24:27.16\00:24:30.80
And, you know,
Jim was an artist,
00:24:30.83\00:24:33.07
we're going to have
extra money kicking around.
00:24:33.10\00:24:35.54
So that morning, a
man came into the studio
00:24:35.57\00:24:38.17
that we didn't know
00:24:38.21\00:24:39.54
but he had heard
something about the project.
00:24:39.57\00:24:41.38
And he said, "Tell me
about what you're doing?"
00:24:41.41\00:24:44.35
And Jim
explained it and he laughed
00:24:44.38\00:24:46.05
and he came back a
little while later,
00:24:46.08\00:24:47.62
and he pulled a roll
of bills out of his pocket
00:24:47.65\00:24:49.75
and handed it to Jim.
00:24:49.78\00:24:51.12
Fourteen hundred...
00:24:51.15\00:24:52.49
And it was 20 one
hundred dollar bills,
00:24:52.52\00:24:54.06
$2000.
00:24:54.09\00:24:55.42
Wow, 2000.
00:24:55.46\00:24:56.79
So we hopped in the car
00:24:56.83\00:24:58.16
and we drove down
to the travel agent
00:24:58.19\00:24:59.69
and Jim peeled off
$1,400 and then Jim said to him,
00:24:59.73\00:25:02.23
"Do you want this other
$600 toward the next payment?"
00:25:02.26\00:25:06.13
And he said, "No,
when the time comes,
00:25:06.17\00:25:07.60
you'll have it."
00:25:07.64\00:25:09.60
And over and over
again, we saw God do that.
00:25:09.64\00:25:12.11
Over and over again,
I've seen God do that
00:25:12.14\00:25:14.58
for all these years
00:25:14.61\00:25:15.98
in providing ways
that I could never imagine.
00:25:16.01\00:25:18.71
He sure does
have a thousand ways
00:25:18.75\00:25:20.22
to provide that, we
can't even think of.
00:25:20.25\00:25:22.98
So he was able
to get into China,
00:25:23.02\00:25:24.59
he was able to go to
Iraq and to other places
00:25:24.62\00:25:28.52
where there were
bits of Sabbath history,
00:25:28.56\00:25:30.53
you know, he wouldn't
be able to go to before.
00:25:30.56\00:25:32.29
We knew he was going to do it.
00:25:32.33\00:25:33.73
So when Jim died,
00:25:33.76\00:25:36.00
I knew that God was
going to do that work.
00:25:36.03\00:25:38.77
And I felt like, I
don't know how to do it
00:25:38.80\00:25:40.80
and I don't have
the gifts that Jim had.
00:25:40.84\00:25:43.64
But I'd be willing
if God could use me
00:25:43.67\00:25:47.18
and if I'm not willing,
00:25:47.21\00:25:48.54
God will find
somebody else to do it.
00:25:48.58\00:25:50.65
So I know how to
research and, unfortunately,
00:25:50.68\00:25:55.15
all of the
information was in Jim's head.
00:25:55.18\00:25:58.29
He'd drawn out a story
board of almost 600 frames
00:25:58.32\00:26:02.76
that had people and
places and events in the order
00:26:02.79\00:26:04.89
that he wanted them to go,
00:26:04.93\00:26:06.26
but he had no
documentation for anything,
00:26:06.29\00:26:09.23
a few scribbled
notes and he just knew it.
00:26:09.26\00:26:12.03
So for me, that man,
00:26:12.07\00:26:13.94
I had to research
and I had to document.
00:26:13.97\00:26:16.20
For me, I need to have careful
documentation and footnotes
00:26:16.24\00:26:18.51
and all that.
00:26:18.54\00:26:19.87
So God had put this vision
00:26:19.91\00:26:22.34
and dream in
your husband's heart
00:26:22.38\00:26:25.78
to produce a
historical documentary
00:26:25.81\00:26:30.12
on the Sabbath.
00:26:30.15\00:26:31.75
And then he was
in a tragic accident.
00:26:31.79\00:26:34.66
Then He let him die.
00:26:34.69\00:26:37.53
Only the vision
lived in your heart
00:26:37.56\00:26:42.10
and so you're taking it
forward under the grace of God.
00:26:42.13\00:26:46.90
Yeah, I knew God would do it.
00:26:46.94\00:26:49.70
So while I started researching,
00:26:49.74\00:26:51.27
I just kept praying that
God would send people to do it.
00:26:51.31\00:26:54.44
I prayed that
God would send people
00:26:54.48\00:26:55.81
who could do it
better and quicker than me.
00:26:55.84\00:26:58.08
And I prayed specifically
for a script-writer,
00:26:58.11\00:27:00.12
a producer and a
right host for it.
00:27:00.15\00:27:03.12
But it took me
eight years of research,
00:27:03.15\00:27:05.15
that's why I said
I wanted God to send
00:27:05.19\00:27:06.62
someone who could do
it quicker and better.
00:27:06.65\00:27:08.82
And, you know, there
were people along the way
00:27:08.86\00:27:10.76
who would make remarks about
00:27:10.79\00:27:13.66
how it's never
going to get done.
00:27:13.70\00:27:15.03
And I always felt like
00:27:15.06\00:27:16.40
those people are
really dissing God not me
00:27:16.43\00:27:18.47
'cause this is His
project and He's going to do it
00:27:18.50\00:27:21.17
and I don't care
how long it takes,
00:27:21.20\00:27:23.54
and it's not mine, it's His.
00:27:23.57\00:27:26.91
But it became mine in the
sense that it had been Jim's.
00:27:26.94\00:27:30.58
And I pulled together,
00:27:30.61\00:27:32.71
when I finished
eight years later
00:27:32.75\00:27:34.88
or came to the
conclusion, I came to...
00:27:34.92\00:27:36.38
I had a binder of over 200 pages
00:27:36.42\00:27:38.92
with 1,000 footnotes.
00:27:38.95\00:27:40.89
And my footnotes,
00:27:40.92\00:27:42.26
some of them had
up to 10 sources.
00:27:42.29\00:27:44.69
And Dr. Domsky that the seminary
00:27:44.73\00:27:46.39
he had offered to be my scholar
and go through everything,
00:27:46.43\00:27:49.03
look at all my
sources and let me know
00:27:49.06\00:27:50.57
if something wasn't
credible, you know, let me know
00:27:50.60\00:27:53.50
if there were areas that
needed more documentation.
00:27:53.54\00:27:56.17
I mean, there were
wonderful Sabbath stories
00:27:56.20\00:27:58.27
that we left out
00:27:58.31\00:27:59.64
because we couldn't find enough
good documentation for it.
00:27:59.67\00:28:02.24
We wanted to be sure that
00:28:02.28\00:28:03.75
anything that we
showed in that series,
00:28:03.78\00:28:06.25
anybody else could find
00:28:06.28\00:28:08.35
that the
documentation was credible.
00:28:08.38\00:28:09.72
So that anybody
could question it.
00:28:09.75\00:28:11.09
It had its integrity
in that. Right. Right.
00:28:11.12\00:28:13.19
And I felt like
mistakes in quotations
00:28:13.22\00:28:19.09
or mistakes in documentation
00:28:19.13\00:28:21.73
or inferior quality detracts
00:28:21.76\00:28:24.87
from the
credibility of your message.
00:28:24.90\00:28:27.77
So it was important to
us that we do it very well
00:28:27.80\00:28:31.47
and everything very accurately.
00:28:31.51\00:28:34.24
'Cause we didn't want to detract
00:28:34.28\00:28:35.61
from a message
that's that important.
00:28:35.64\00:28:37.81
And, you know, it's
not that the Sabbath
00:28:37.85\00:28:40.05
is just the fourth commandment
so we all have to keep it.
00:28:40.08\00:28:43.05
The Sabbath is a symbol,
00:28:43.08\00:28:44.42
you know, it's a
symbol of the fact
00:28:44.45\00:28:45.79
that we trust
God with our souls.
00:28:45.82\00:28:47.49
It's a symbol of
righteousness by faith.
00:28:47.52\00:28:49.62
When we rest from our
own works every seventh day,
00:28:49.66\00:28:53.09
it's the symbol of
the fact that we know
00:28:53.13\00:28:54.70
we can't save ourselves
00:28:54.73\00:28:56.06
that we're completely
depended on the work of Christ
00:28:56.10\00:28:58.23
for our salvation
and not on our own works,
00:28:58.27\00:29:01.37
and that's why to me
the Sabbath is so important
00:29:01.40\00:29:04.11
and it's why I
wanted to talk about it.
00:29:04.14\00:29:06.01
Not just a fact that
everybody needs a rest
00:29:06.04\00:29:07.91
once a week.
00:29:07.94\00:29:09.51
But to instill in the
hearts of even the non-believer,
00:29:09.54\00:29:13.72
the importance of that
day that God sanctified,
00:29:13.75\00:29:17.25
the only day sanctified.
00:29:17.29\00:29:19.05
Yeah. And show that
they, you know, they can rest.
00:29:19.09\00:29:22.46
We don't have to be
responsible for ourselves.
00:29:22.49\00:29:25.03
You know, when my
children were younger,
00:29:25.06\00:29:27.43
Jim was on a seven-week trip
00:29:27.46\00:29:28.83
which is a long time to be gone.
00:29:28.86\00:29:31.43
And about the end
of the sixth week,
00:29:31.47\00:29:33.57
I was so
discouraged with my kids
00:29:33.60\00:29:35.24
and all I could
see was their faults.
00:29:35.27\00:29:37.31
And I was ready to
just give it all up.
00:29:37.34\00:29:40.38
And I put them all to
bed early on a Friday evening
00:29:40.41\00:29:42.34
and I sat down on
the couch with my Bible,
00:29:42.38\00:29:44.51
and I cried and I said,
00:29:44.55\00:29:45.88
"God, look at my
kids, they're hopeless.
00:29:45.91\00:29:48.95
And look at me, I
can't even save myself
00:29:48.98\00:29:50.59
much less than my kids.
00:29:50.62\00:29:52.35
You got to talk to me."
00:29:52.39\00:29:54.36
And He brought me to
these words in Isaiah 49,
00:29:54.39\00:29:58.39
where it says, "Can the
prey be taken from the mighty
00:29:58.43\00:30:00.76
or the lawful
captive delivered?"
00:30:00.80\00:30:03.30
You know, then it
goes on to say, yes,
00:30:03.33\00:30:05.47
you know, it can be
00:30:05.50\00:30:06.84
and I'll contend with
him who contends with you.
00:30:06.87\00:30:08.37
And I'll save your children.
00:30:08.40\00:30:10.71
And it was such a...
00:30:10.74\00:30:12.14
to me, it was
really Sabbath symbolizes.
00:30:12.17\00:30:15.41
God is our Savior.
00:30:15.44\00:30:16.78
Of course, I can't save my kids
00:30:16.81\00:30:18.51
and, of course, I
can't save myself,
00:30:18.55\00:30:20.05
it's not my job, it's God's job.
00:30:20.08\00:30:23.12
As He said He would do
it and I can rest in that.
00:30:23.15\00:30:27.02
I can take those words
00:30:27.06\00:30:28.39
and I can believe
them with all my heart
00:30:28.42\00:30:30.19
and I know that God does exactly
00:30:30.23\00:30:32.29
what He says he will do.
00:30:32.33\00:30:33.66
So you've got
all these material,
00:30:33.70\00:30:35.66
all of these footnotes,
00:30:35.70\00:30:38.00
how are you going to get
it together into a workable...
00:30:38.03\00:30:39.73
Well, and that
was the next question.
00:30:39.77\00:30:42.74
I prayed for a scriptwriter
00:30:42.77\00:30:45.91
and a producer and a right host.
00:30:45.94\00:30:48.88
And a friend of
mine Allen Reinecke,
00:30:48.91\00:30:51.85
with some
religious liberty said,
00:30:51.88\00:30:53.21
"Well, give me a
part of your script
00:30:53.25\00:30:54.58
and I'll give it to Jeff Wood,
00:30:54.62\00:30:55.95
he's a producer,
done a lot of work.
00:30:55.98\00:30:57.95
And Jeff looked at it
and called me in a week.
00:30:57.99\00:30:59.85
We got together
and talked about it
00:30:59.89\00:31:01.22
and I showed him
the whole rest of it
00:31:01.26\00:31:02.59
which was big.
00:31:02.62\00:31:03.96
I'd actually sent it out to
about eight different people
00:31:03.99\00:31:06.83
in the film world
and then they all said,
00:31:06.86\00:31:08.33
"This is way too big."
00:31:08.36\00:31:10.70
So Jeff looked
at it and he said,
00:31:10.73\00:31:13.13
"Would you like a
scriptwriter to come onboard?"
00:31:13.17\00:31:15.60
And I said, "Absolutely."
00:31:15.64\00:31:16.97
So he
recommended his brother Jim.
00:31:17.01\00:31:19.07
So and then I said to
Jeff, "What do you think
00:31:19.11\00:31:21.34
we're looking at in
budget for this project?"
00:31:21.38\00:31:24.08
And he said, "I think
it's a million dollar project."
00:31:24.11\00:31:26.82
And I'm like, "Yes, yeah."
00:31:26.85\00:31:30.82
So Jim Wood came
on as the writer,
00:31:30.85\00:31:33.22
and Jim and Jeff and
I worked on the scripts.
00:31:33.25\00:31:36.52
And Jim would write,
00:31:36.56\00:31:38.06
and we brainstorm
and we write again
00:31:38.09\00:31:39.63
and we probably
went through 50 revisions
00:31:39.66\00:31:41.26
on every one of the five parts.
00:31:41.30\00:31:43.40
And there was a lot that
we left out like I said that,
00:31:43.43\00:31:45.27
there were stories that
weren't well enough documented,
00:31:45.30\00:31:48.37
there were parts of the
Church In The Wilderness theme
00:31:48.40\00:31:53.17
that was about
health and education,
00:31:53.21\00:31:56.21
besides just the Sabbath,
00:31:56.24\00:31:57.61
you know, we
tightened it up a bit
00:31:57.65\00:32:00.22
and then prayed
for the right host.
00:32:00.25\00:32:02.38
And we wanted someone
00:32:02.42\00:32:05.15
that we could put on
commercial television with.
00:32:05.19\00:32:07.86
And so we went
to a casting agency,
00:32:07.89\00:32:09.82
and Hal Holbrook ended up
being the first one to respond
00:32:09.86\00:32:13.16
when we sent out
letters that he was interested.
00:32:13.19\00:32:16.33
And we ended up using him
00:32:16.36\00:32:17.70
and he just did a
terrific job on it.
00:32:17.73\00:32:20.84
You know, I have seen,
you know, the film before,
00:32:20.87\00:32:23.97
and it's very, very well done.
00:32:24.01\00:32:26.27
And I think we've got
some clips from that film.
00:32:26.31\00:32:29.24
Would you like to allow our
viewers to see some of that?
00:32:29.28\00:32:32.65
I would. I would.
00:32:32.68\00:32:34.82
The first clip is a
story that was used all
00:32:34.85\00:32:38.75
through over a period
of six or seven centuries
00:32:38.79\00:32:41.29
in different places.
00:32:41.32\00:32:42.92
And that's the
first clip we'll show,
00:32:42.96\00:32:44.99
we'll talk about a
little bit afterwards.
00:32:45.03\00:32:46.70
A Letter from
Heaven. A Letter from Heaven.
00:32:46.73\00:32:48.70
Okay, let's see that.
00:32:48.73\00:32:52.47
It's clear that
loyalty to the Sabbath
00:32:52.50\00:32:55.17
of the fourth commandment
did not die out easily.
00:32:55.20\00:32:59.57
Roman Church efforts to promote
00:32:59.61\00:33:01.24
the Sunday
alternative continued.
00:33:01.28\00:33:03.81
One novel approach
took the form of a letter,
00:33:03.85\00:33:07.38
a letter that supposedly
came directly from heaven.
00:33:07.42\00:33:10.69
God hasn't joined
Sunday to be kept holy.
00:33:14.99\00:33:18.69
For God's own hand has
written that to man to mend
00:33:18.73\00:33:23.13
lest they should do either work
or survive a labor on Sunday.
00:33:23.16\00:33:28.97
The letter itself claims
to have been written by Jesus,
00:33:29.00\00:33:33.17
and we are told that it appeared
00:33:33.21\00:33:35.01
on the altar of Saint Peter
in Rome and that the priest,
00:33:35.04\00:33:38.48
who was saying
mass, discovered it there
00:33:38.51\00:33:41.55
and was obviously
quite scared by it.
00:33:41.58\00:33:44.55
A letter from
heaven, think about it.
00:33:44.59\00:33:48.46
Who wouldn't want one of
those to support their opinions?
00:33:48.49\00:33:52.99
I would, wouldn't you? I would.
00:33:53.03\00:33:54.50
He is very good.
00:33:54.53\00:33:55.86
We actually do have
a letter from heaven
00:33:55.90\00:33:57.27
to support our opinion.
00:33:57.30\00:33:59.87
Yeah. He is very
good. He did a great job.
00:33:59.90\00:34:02.40
And there is another
little clip from that series
00:34:02.44\00:34:04.61
that I'd like to show
that goes along with it.
00:34:04.64\00:34:07.18
A Letter from Heaven B. Yeah.
00:34:07.21\00:34:09.18
Okay, let's watch it.
00:34:09.21\00:34:11.71
Some of the
threats in the letter
00:34:11.75\00:34:13.38
are quite fantastical
00:34:13.42\00:34:14.78
and perhaps even frightening.
00:34:14.82\00:34:16.65
We are told that great beasts
and locusts are simply waiting
00:34:16.69\00:34:20.62
to avenge the
transgression of Sunday.
00:34:20.66\00:34:23.46
There will be massive rainstorms
00:34:23.49\00:34:25.36
with thunder and
lightning, hailstones.
00:34:25.39\00:34:28.36
There'll be flying
serpents in the sky.
00:34:28.40\00:34:31.50
So basically, a
whole lot of evil
00:34:31.53\00:34:34.77
and destruction
00:34:34.80\00:34:36.14
is going to occur if people
violate the law of Sunday.
00:34:36.17\00:34:39.91
You know, people were
ignorant in those days.
00:34:39.94\00:34:42.98
And that had an impact,
and yet in spite of that,
00:34:43.01\00:34:46.48
the Sabbath
persevered was not lost.
00:34:46.51\00:34:50.15
You know, there was a time
00:34:50.19\00:34:51.52
when people were not
allowed to be very educated
00:34:51.55\00:34:53.62
and only the priest
could even read the Bible,
00:34:53.66\00:34:56.42
hardly anyone
could even read the Bible
00:34:56.46\00:34:58.03
in their language at that time.
00:34:58.06\00:34:59.39
Right.
00:34:59.43\00:35:00.76
There is another story
that I think is interesting
00:35:00.80\00:35:02.13
that probably
people never heard about,
00:35:02.16\00:35:04.27
and it's from the 15th
century with a priest in Spain.
00:35:04.30\00:35:11.27
And I'd like to
show that clip next.
00:35:11.31\00:35:12.71
Yeah, okay. Constantino.
00:35:12.74\00:35:14.48
Constantino de la Fuente.
Okay, let's watch this one.
00:35:14.51\00:35:19.51
Members of the newly formed
society of Jesus, the Jesuits,
00:35:19.55\00:35:24.69
became suspicious of Constantino
00:35:24.72\00:35:27.12
after hearing his sermons.
00:35:27.16\00:35:29.42
The office of the
inquisition repeatedly
00:35:29.46\00:35:31.59
called him in to
explain his teachings.
00:35:31.63\00:35:34.66
His friends were concerned.
00:35:34.70\00:35:37.07
He told them, "They
want me to be burned.
00:35:37.10\00:35:40.54
But they found that
I'm still too green."
00:35:40.57\00:35:44.94
Officers of the
inquisition finally arrested him
00:35:44.97\00:35:47.64
in August of 1558,
00:35:47.68\00:35:50.41
and took him to
the inquisitor's prison
00:35:50.45\00:35:52.68
just outside Seville.
00:35:52.71\00:35:55.48
Cut off from his
friends and supporters
00:35:55.52\00:35:58.55
and from the crowds that
used to fill the cathedral,
00:35:58.59\00:36:02.02
Constantino Ponce de la Fuente
00:36:02.06\00:36:04.49
suffered his last days
in a pitiless death trap.
00:36:04.53\00:36:09.73
There was no crowd
to hear his final words
00:36:09.76\00:36:12.30
when he died in February 1560,
00:36:12.33\00:36:16.24
another victim of
the Spanish inquisition.
00:36:16.27\00:36:21.58
Just to set that
up a little better,
00:36:21.61\00:36:23.85
Constantino was a
very highly placed
00:36:23.88\00:36:29.62
priest in Spain.
00:36:29.65\00:36:31.52
He traveled with
the king himself.
00:36:31.55\00:36:33.72
But he read the Bible,
00:36:33.76\00:36:35.59
and he came across righteousness
00:36:35.62\00:36:37.69
by faith and the Sabbath.
00:36:37.73\00:36:40.00
And he had a group of
people who'd meet regularly,
00:36:40.03\00:36:42.23
they called themselves
"the secret Christian church."
00:36:42.26\00:36:45.77
And so they aroused the
suspicion of the Jesuits
00:36:45.80\00:36:48.34
because he was preaching
some of these doctrines.
00:36:48.37\00:36:52.44
And what happened is
somebody raided the home
00:36:52.47\00:36:55.54
of one of the woman
00:36:55.58\00:36:56.91
that was part of the
secret Christian church
00:36:56.95\00:36:58.35
and found his writings.
00:36:58.38\00:37:00.18
And of course, he
wouldn't deny them,
00:37:00.22\00:37:02.42
and this is
what happened to him.
00:37:02.45\00:37:05.29
There are so many stories
00:37:05.32\00:37:06.96
that I had never
heard about growing up.
00:37:06.99\00:37:09.59
So many heroes, you
know, so many people
00:37:09.62\00:37:13.29
who spoke noble
words on their death bed,
00:37:13.33\00:37:16.90
no, not willing to give up
00:37:16.93\00:37:19.30
what they knew to be true
00:37:19.33\00:37:21.47
no matter what happened to them.
00:37:21.50\00:37:24.31
One thing that I never knew
00:37:24.34\00:37:26.47
before doing this
research was that in England
00:37:26.51\00:37:29.04
between the 16th
and the 18th centuries,
00:37:29.08\00:37:31.78
the subject of the
Seventh-day Sabbath
00:37:31.81\00:37:33.55
was agitated in
every major denomination.
00:37:33.58\00:37:37.12
There were those who
wanted the Church of England
00:37:37.15\00:37:38.99
to go back to the
real Bible Sabbath.
00:37:39.02\00:37:42.59
You know, among the Baptists
the Sabbath was agitated
00:37:42.62\00:37:45.36
in five
different major churches.
00:37:45.39\00:37:48.66
You know, why did
I never hear of that?
00:37:48.70\00:37:51.57
I don't know.
00:37:51.60\00:37:52.93
It's part of our
heritage, you know.
00:37:52.97\00:37:54.64
And it was out of those Sabbath
keeping churches in England
00:37:54.67\00:37:57.97
that the Sabbath
first came to America
00:37:58.01\00:38:00.48
in the 1700s,
1781 I think it was.
00:38:00.51\00:38:05.41
I have a little clip
of Theophilus Brabourne,
00:38:05.45\00:38:10.55
who was a clergyman in
England during that time period
00:38:10.59\00:38:13.92
and what he
thought of the Sabbath.
00:38:13.96\00:38:16.29
Shall we watch
that one? Oh, yes.
00:38:16.32\00:38:17.73
Let's see that one too.
00:38:17.76\00:38:21.06
The matter is clear.
00:38:21.10\00:38:22.93
It takes only our own
records of days and weeks
00:38:22.96\00:38:26.43
to make it into the argument.
00:38:26.47\00:38:28.47
It is the seventh day,
00:38:28.50\00:38:30.57
the Sabbath of creation
that we need to keep holing.
00:38:30.61\00:38:35.31
When you can show
me from a scripture
00:38:35.34\00:38:37.45
that there is
any other seventh day
00:38:37.48\00:38:39.61
than the day we call Saturday,
the last day of the week,
00:38:39.65\00:38:43.82
then I might be persuaded
00:38:43.85\00:38:46.12
that the fourth commandment
00:38:46.15\00:38:47.86
means some other
seventh day besides Saturday.
00:38:47.89\00:38:54.10
So we have such a
history of those ministers
00:38:54.13\00:38:59.63
that would stand up in
their pulpits and advocate
00:38:59.67\00:39:04.54
that the Sabbath is this day
00:39:04.57\00:39:06.24
that we should
be worshipping on.
00:39:06.27\00:39:07.61
Yeah. And suffer
prosecution for it.
00:39:07.64\00:39:09.54
Oh, so many, we have seen
such horrendous persecution.
00:39:09.58\00:39:13.72
Now all of this is in the film
00:39:13.75\00:39:16.02
that was in your
husband's heart out
00:39:16.05\00:39:18.75
when he met with
his tragic death...
00:39:18.79\00:39:21.52
That's right.
00:39:21.56\00:39:22.89
And then was
birthed into your heart
00:39:22.92\00:39:25.19
and it's all the
history of the Sabbath.
00:39:25.23\00:39:28.96
Tell me about the
film, how long is this film?
00:39:29.00\00:39:32.73
It's five parts.
00:39:32.77\00:39:34.34
So it's about five hours.
00:39:34.37\00:39:36.00
And each part covers
00:39:36.04\00:39:37.37
a different time
period in history.
00:39:37.41\00:39:39.11
And then of course, we
did a bonus features DVD
00:39:39.14\00:39:41.24
at the end that,
kind of, goes with it.
00:39:41.28\00:39:43.35
And this has been
finished for several years now,
00:39:43.38\00:39:46.31
a number of years.
00:39:46.35\00:39:47.68
It's been translated
into 25 different languages,
00:39:47.72\00:39:51.35
and it's being shown
all over the world now.
00:39:51.39\00:39:54.52
And we get responses from people
00:39:54.56\00:39:56.19
who have watched
it and who never knew.
00:39:56.22\00:39:58.69
You know,
people will write to me
00:39:58.73\00:40:00.10
who never ever had any idea.
00:40:00.13\00:40:02.86
First of all,
00:40:02.90\00:40:04.23
even that
Saturday is the seventh day
00:40:04.27\00:40:05.97
that Hal Holbrook said
to me, you know, he said,
00:40:06.00\00:40:09.04
"I never thought about
Saturday being the seventh day."
00:40:09.07\00:40:11.97
I said, "Well, yeah.
Look at the calendar."
00:40:12.01\00:40:13.78
He says, "I did. I
have looked at the calendar.
00:40:13.81\00:40:16.14
You are right."
00:40:16.18\00:40:17.65
It is.
00:40:17.68\00:40:19.01
Okay, so I know this has been
completed now for many years
00:40:19.05\00:40:23.28
and I know that many people
00:40:23.32\00:40:26.45
are watching
and listening today.
00:40:26.49\00:40:30.03
And they are thinking,
00:40:30.06\00:40:31.39
"Well, I would like to see
this all five hours of this."
00:40:31.43\00:40:36.00
And shortly, we're going
to give you an address roll
00:40:36.03\00:40:39.57
that will tell you how to get
in contact with Pat, of course,
00:40:39.60\00:40:42.94
but let me just say
this, it's easy to obtain it.
00:40:42.97\00:40:47.81
And I know you can
just go to her website
00:40:47.84\00:40:49.74
and we'll give you this
information later as well.
00:40:49.78\00:40:52.28
And there are other projects
00:40:52.31\00:40:54.08
that we're going to talk
about here in just a moment.
00:40:54.12\00:40:56.12
But it's LLT
Productions, go to that website
00:40:56.15\00:40:59.52
and you're going to find
these excellent documentaries
00:40:59.55\00:41:04.69
that will give you so
much solid information.
00:41:04.73\00:41:07.46
So, Pat, I believe
you've got that in your hands.
00:41:07.50\00:41:09.00
I was just going to, you know,
hold it up so people can see.
00:41:09.03\00:41:11.33
The title of it
is The Seventh Day.
00:41:11.37\00:41:14.47
And it's hosted by Hal Holbrook.
00:41:14.50\00:41:16.60
Right. Okay.
00:41:16.64\00:41:19.17
And I think that
you've done other projects.
00:41:19.21\00:41:21.81
Tell us about the
next project. I will.
00:41:21.84\00:41:24.05
You know, we felt like
00:41:24.08\00:41:25.55
the Sabbath is
really an important topic,
00:41:25.58\00:41:27.58
and I feel like
what happens at death
00:41:27.62\00:41:29.82
is a really important project
00:41:29.85\00:41:31.42
because first of
all everyone's going
00:41:31.45\00:41:32.79
to do die sooner or later.
00:41:32.82\00:41:34.16
True.
00:41:34.19\00:41:35.52
So we should all want to
know it's going to happen to us
00:41:35.56\00:41:36.89
when we die.
00:41:36.93\00:41:38.26
And I think there's a lot
of misinformation out there
00:41:38.29\00:41:39.69
and a lot of people are confused
00:41:39.73\00:41:41.90
about what happens at death.
00:41:41.93\00:41:43.77
And I, particularly,
00:41:43.80\00:41:45.47
hate the doctrine
of eternal torment.
00:41:45.50\00:41:49.20
I hate that people would think
00:41:49.24\00:41:51.61
that a God that loves us so much
00:41:51.64\00:41:54.44
that He sent His
son to die in my place
00:41:54.48\00:41:57.98
would take someone
who didn't accept that
00:41:58.01\00:42:00.45
and put him in a
fire for eternity.
00:42:00.48\00:42:02.85
You know, how could it be
00:42:02.88\00:42:04.22
that someone could be kept alive
00:42:04.25\00:42:06.35
to suffer year after
year and decade and millennia,
00:42:06.39\00:42:10.93
it's a wrong picture of God.
00:42:10.96\00:42:12.29
And I think if people
00:42:12.33\00:42:13.66
have a wrong
picture of God that way,
00:42:13.70\00:42:15.06
they don't see the
rest of who God is either.
00:42:15.10\00:42:17.47
So we wanted to do something
on the state of the dead.
00:42:17.50\00:42:20.40
We talked about
doing a documentary
00:42:20.44\00:42:21.94
and we gathered a group together
00:42:21.97\00:42:24.27
to brainstorm about it.
00:42:24.31\00:42:25.94
And ultimately, we
decided to do a feature film
00:42:25.97\00:42:29.91
based on a true story.
00:42:29.94\00:42:31.55
And it's the story of a man,
00:42:31.58\00:42:33.28
the name of it is
Hell and Mr. Fudge,
00:42:33.31\00:42:34.98
and it's really about
a man named Mr. Fudge.
00:42:35.02\00:42:38.19
Hell and Mr.
Fudge. Hell and Mr. Fudge.
00:42:38.22\00:42:41.66
And Mr. Fudge was a real man.
00:42:41.69\00:42:45.19
He was a real
pastor and scholar.
00:42:45.23\00:42:48.40
And he was hired to find out
00:42:48.43\00:42:50.50
what the Bible really
teaches about eternal torment.
00:42:50.53\00:42:53.57
He believed in eternal torment,
00:42:53.60\00:42:56.00
but by the time he
finished his research,
00:42:56.04\00:42:58.44
he had a different view.
00:42:58.47\00:42:59.81
And he
researches very thoroughly,
00:42:59.84\00:43:01.84
the person who hired
him wanted him to research
00:43:01.88\00:43:03.88
not only the Old
and New Testament
00:43:03.91\00:43:05.48
but intertestamental writings,
00:43:05.51\00:43:07.32
and early and
late church scholars,
00:43:07.35\00:43:10.22
and Jewish
historians, and, you know,
00:43:10.25\00:43:12.92
a very thorough wide research.
00:43:12.95\00:43:15.42
And what he came to
00:43:15.46\00:43:17.39
from that was a
great surprise to him.
00:43:17.43\00:43:19.89
He didn't expect to
change his own mind.
00:43:19.93\00:43:22.40
What he came to
foundationally is that the idea
00:43:22.43\00:43:26.23
that a body and
soul are separate,
00:43:26.27\00:43:28.84
didn't come from the Bible,
it came from Greek philosophy.
00:43:28.87\00:43:33.07
Mythology, yes.
00:43:33.11\00:43:34.44
So that was a surprise to him
00:43:34.48\00:43:36.91
that the soul doesn't
separate from the body at death
00:43:36.95\00:43:39.28
but like Genesis 1
says, or Genesis 2,
00:43:39.31\00:43:43.08
"God breathe into
man the breath of life."
00:43:43.12\00:43:44.49
And he became a
living soul, a living person.
00:43:44.52\00:43:47.72
So the word "soul" in the
Bible is often misunderstood.
00:43:47.76\00:43:51.89
So we made a film
based on his story,
00:43:51.93\00:43:55.10
just to use it as a
vehicle to show a little bit
00:43:55.13\00:43:58.67
about the truth
about eternal torment.
00:43:58.70\00:44:00.54
You know, the question
that you are addressing,
00:44:00.57\00:44:03.34
so many people formed
the wrong opinion of God
00:44:03.37\00:44:06.94
on that very issue
that you are addressing.
00:44:06.98\00:44:09.64
And we've got some
rolls on that as well.
00:44:09.68\00:44:12.51
Let's look at those video clips.
00:44:12.55\00:44:17.15
Is he in hell?
00:44:17.19\00:44:20.52
Is Davey in hell?
00:44:20.56\00:44:23.09
Well, was Davey baptized?
00:44:23.12\00:44:27.83
No.
00:44:27.86\00:44:29.20
That's a tragic thing to die
00:44:38.04\00:44:40.21
without knowing
that you weren't.
00:44:40.24\00:44:42.01
Then that's what you are saying
that Davey is burning in hell.
00:44:42.04\00:44:45.38
It's not what I say,
00:44:45.41\00:44:47.75
the Bible is
clear on that point.
00:44:47.78\00:44:50.39
You see, it's important to God,
and the wages of sin is death.
00:44:50.42\00:44:54.62
He's going to burn forever
00:44:58.59\00:44:59.93
for just wanting
to see the world.
00:44:59.96\00:45:01.50
His perspective is not unusual.
00:45:06.53\00:45:08.97
The majority of
Christians in this world
00:45:09.00\00:45:12.31
don't believe in death.
00:45:12.34\00:45:13.78
They believe in
either eternal life in heaven
00:45:13.81\00:45:15.74
or eternal life in hell.
00:45:15.78\00:45:18.18
So it wasn't surprising
that he misunderstood that.
00:45:18.21\00:45:22.18
And look at the impact
it had on the young man?
00:45:22.22\00:45:24.52
Yeah.
00:45:24.55\00:45:25.89
I know this is a
depiction but it is powerful.
00:45:25.92\00:45:29.29
He lost a friend, and
where was his friend to be.
00:45:29.32\00:45:34.16
We don't know what
the Bible really teaches.
00:45:34.20\00:45:36.53
I know people who have
completely thrown God out
00:45:36.56\00:45:39.67
because they were taught
that God torments the lost.
00:45:39.70\00:45:42.24
Yeah.
00:45:42.27\00:45:43.61
In this young man's mind,
00:45:43.64\00:45:45.14
his friend was
in eternal torment.
00:45:45.17\00:45:47.24
Yeah, and
undeserving of that. Right.
00:45:47.28\00:45:49.64
Right. Yeah.
00:45:49.68\00:45:51.01
And you have another
clip from the same film.
00:45:51.05\00:45:55.38
Let's look at that as well.
00:45:55.42\00:45:59.05
I found missing
piece of the puzzle.
00:45:59.09\00:46:01.79
Okay.
00:46:01.82\00:46:03.76
Here it is. It is so simple.
00:46:03.79\00:46:05.89
I don't know how I missed that.
I mean, we have all missed it.
00:46:05.93\00:46:08.40
It is this idea
of the immortal soul.
00:46:08.43\00:46:10.97
Now yeah, that's the part of us
00:46:11.00\00:46:12.80
that supposedly
lives on after we die.
00:46:12.83\00:46:14.50
Yeah. Okay.
00:46:14.54\00:46:16.54
It turns out it is a myth.
00:46:16.57\00:46:20.18
It doesn't exist.
Bible never mentions it.
00:46:20.21\00:46:22.34
Now somehow it's snuck
its way into our beliefs
00:46:22.38\00:46:24.75
spending 2,000
years, and it's a lie.
00:46:24.78\00:46:27.02
A lie?
00:46:27.05\00:46:28.38
Strong word. I know.
00:46:33.32\00:46:34.66
So he studies the Word of God,
00:46:39.43\00:46:42.73
it's amazing that
the scripture that says,
00:46:42.76\00:46:44.80
"You shall know the truth
00:46:44.83\00:46:46.17
and the truth
shall make you free",
00:46:46.20\00:46:48.17
when you study God's
Word, it exposes the era.
00:46:48.20\00:46:52.24
It's a wonderful thing to
know that God is truly merciful,
00:46:52.27\00:46:56.61
and fair, just,
00:46:56.64\00:46:59.18
and that we don't
have to be afraid of Him.
00:46:59.21\00:47:01.42
So this project that you
did, the State of the Dead,
00:47:01.45\00:47:05.49
how long is it?
00:47:05.52\00:47:07.26
It's an hour and half,
regular feature film like.
00:47:07.29\00:47:10.93
And it's the
story of this Mr. Fudge
00:47:10.96\00:47:14.20
and his journey
00:47:14.23\00:47:16.67
as he investigates
the state of the dead.
00:47:16.70\00:47:19.60
And the
opposition that he faces,
00:47:19.63\00:47:23.61
the conclusions that he draws
from the truth of God's Word,
00:47:23.64\00:47:27.08
it's very enlightening,
and it's very encouraging.
00:47:27.11\00:47:29.98
Yes.
00:47:30.01\00:47:31.35
It's kind of an introduction
00:47:31.38\00:47:32.71
to the whole topic of
what happens at death.
00:47:32.75\00:47:34.08
Yes.
00:47:34.12\00:47:35.45
Well, and again,
we're going to give you
00:47:35.48\00:47:37.05
an address roll shortly.
00:47:37.09\00:47:38.72
But again, go
to LLT Productions,
00:47:38.75\00:47:41.26
and you can get
both of these projects.
00:47:41.29\00:47:44.26
And there is another project,
00:47:44.29\00:47:45.63
and we're quickly
running out of time.
00:47:45.66\00:47:47.50
So let's look at this
third project very quickly.
00:47:47.53\00:47:50.17
The third project
that I wanted to talk about
00:47:50.20\00:47:51.93
is The Wandering Day.
00:47:51.97\00:47:53.90
And this is the
story that took place,
00:47:53.94\00:47:55.54
it's a documentary,
that took place in the 1930s
00:47:55.57\00:47:58.97
when the League of Nations
wanted to bring a new calendar
00:47:59.01\00:48:01.38
to the world that they
believed would unite the world.
00:48:01.41\00:48:03.85
It would be good for business,
00:48:03.88\00:48:05.21
it would unite a world
00:48:05.25\00:48:06.58
that was living under
many different calendars
00:48:06.61\00:48:08.98
and different cultures.
00:48:09.02\00:48:10.42
The problem with it was,
00:48:10.45\00:48:11.92
it was a 13 28-day month a year.
00:48:11.95\00:48:17.69
Now if you multiply
13 times 28, you get 364
00:48:17.73\00:48:21.23
which meant that
there is an extra day
00:48:21.26\00:48:22.63
at the end of the year.
00:48:22.66\00:48:24.00
So what do you do with that day,
00:48:24.03\00:48:25.53
their idea was that you
make that a non-week day.
00:48:25.57\00:48:29.80
So you've got...
00:48:29.84\00:48:31.17
You get to that every month,
every year starts on Sunday,
00:48:31.21\00:48:33.14
every month starts on Sunday,
every month ends on Saturday.
00:48:33.17\00:48:36.68
And then you get to the
last Saturday night of the year,
00:48:36.71\00:48:38.81
and the next day is
still part of the year
00:48:38.85\00:48:40.32
but it's going
to be a blank day,
00:48:40.35\00:48:41.98
it's not going to
be a part of the week.
00:48:42.02\00:48:44.32
So you get
Saturday night, you have,
00:48:44.35\00:48:46.09
whatever you
decide to name this day,
00:48:46.12\00:48:47.59
and then Sunday is the next day.
00:48:47.62\00:48:49.42
So if you adopted that
kind of a calendar, every year,
00:48:49.46\00:48:52.43
Sabbath is going
to be pushed back
00:48:52.46\00:48:54.53
to a different day of the year
00:48:54.56\00:48:56.13
because you've stuck
that extra day in there.
00:48:56.16\00:48:58.53
And Jews and Adventists opposed
that calendar for that reason,
00:48:58.57\00:49:01.54
they wanted Sabbath to
be kept on the right day.
00:49:01.57\00:49:04.27
And the Jews said, "You know,
this is going to disenfranchise
00:49:04.31\00:49:06.98
millions of your
faithful citizens."
00:49:07.01\00:49:10.31
And it was
through the testimony,
00:49:10.35\00:49:12.71
unexpected testimony
of Jews and Adventists
00:49:12.75\00:49:15.78
who were attending the
League of Nations Committee
00:49:15.82\00:49:19.49
where this whole
thing was turned around.
00:49:19.52\00:49:21.96
It was an Adventist doctor
00:49:21.99\00:49:23.53
who was able to testify
00:49:23.56\00:49:25.29
and share
something of his own story,
00:49:25.33\00:49:26.93
and let's watch that clip.
00:49:26.96\00:49:28.30
Okay, let's watch that clip.
00:49:28.33\00:49:31.43
My Seventh-day Adventist parents
00:49:31.47\00:49:33.23
did not send me to
school on Saturdays.
00:49:33.27\00:49:39.17
Again, and again,
00:49:39.21\00:49:44.15
my mother was
brought before the judge.
00:49:44.18\00:49:47.82
Again and again,
fines went boost...
00:49:47.85\00:49:49.78
my parents did not withheld.
00:49:53.05\00:49:54.62
I'm brought
nearly to tears as...
00:49:58.43\00:50:02.46
I remember my
dear mother's hands,
00:50:02.50\00:50:06.37
red and hot
00:50:06.40\00:50:09.00
from walking to earn
money to pay these fines.
00:50:09.04\00:50:13.58
In addition to
her duties at home,
00:50:13.61\00:50:15.14
she was obliged to wash
the clothes of other families
00:50:15.18\00:50:20.42
just to appease the
demands of a heartless tyranny.
00:50:20.45\00:50:25.42
It was the
testimony of Dr. Nussbaum
00:50:25.45\00:50:28.56
ultimately that
changed the minds,
00:50:28.59\00:50:31.83
and the committee
actually never even voted on it.
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There were those who tried
to bring it up in later years
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but it never
floated and, you know,
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we can thank God
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that we haven't had
many years of difficulties
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over Sabbath because of that.
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Yes. That would
be a travesty. Yes.
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And I know we
have one more roll,
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and our time is
quickly getting away from us.
00:50:50.38\00:50:52.68
Let's watch the last roll. Okay.
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There are, however, a few people
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who stand in the way,
00:50:58.69\00:51:00.92
fortunately,
only a small minority.
00:51:00.96\00:51:05.29
By insisting on
their own rights,
00:51:05.33\00:51:08.20
they failed to show
love for their fellowmen.
00:51:08.23\00:51:13.37
Their
interpretation of the Sabbath
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is far too literal.
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Surely God will be
happy with one day in seven.
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So you have
seen clips from three
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very, very informative
00:51:26.65\00:51:29.35
and just
encouraging the Sabbath,
00:51:29.38\00:51:34.92
the State of the
Dead, and The Wondering Day.
00:51:34.96\00:51:37.59
And if you would like to
get these videos, here is how.
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Let me give you
the address roll.
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Get your pin and paper,
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write this down and
you can contact Pat.
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Here is the information.
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