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Program Code: TDY018021A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:10 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:12 My name is CA Murray. 01:14 And allow me once again to thank you 01:15 for sharing just a little of your busy day with us. 01:19 And to thank you as always for your love, your prayers, 01:21 your support of Three Angels Broadcasting Network. 01:24 As together, 01:25 we are called to lift up 01:27 the mighty and matchless name of Jesus. 01:28 I am excited today because our program 01:31 has to do with medical work 01:33 and the work that AMEN 01:39 which is Adventist Medical Evangelism Network. 01:41 I think I got that right. That's right. 01:43 Does locally and around the world, 01:46 I first became aware of AMEN years ago 01:51 during the Haitian earthquake. 01:54 And number of people from AMEN came, 01:58 David Catalano down in Florida... 02:00 Roger Touma, 02:02 all came and joined hands with us. 02:04 And it was much work to be done in those days in Haiti, 02:08 and that's when I became familiar with them. 02:11 And so that's what we're gonna talk about today, 02:13 what it is, what it does, what it seeks to do, 02:15 how you can be a part of it, how you can support their work, 02:17 how you can join hands with them, 02:19 all of the above and perhaps a little bit more. 02:22 My guests are Dr. Brian Schwartz, MD. 02:25 First of all, good to see you, man. 02:27 Good morning. Good to see you. 02:28 And we have some history together, 02:30 we are talking about it just a little bit ago. 02:31 Your wife Lindy, 02:33 fairly famous name around the Adventist circles 02:35 and her sister Andy, both doctors. 02:40 Doctors marrying doctors 02:41 so you got stereo of doctors like I said. 02:45 So we praise the Lord for that. 02:48 And Vinh Trinh, I like that Vinh Trinh, 02:51 good to have you here, man. 02:53 Thank you. From? 02:54 Yorba Linda, California. 02:56 Yorba Linda, I know Yorba Linda. 02:58 As you're heading out from LA east, 03:01 we go through Yorba Linda. 03:02 And, Dr. Robert Hassup... Hessong. 03:06 Right. Okay. 03:07 A dentist? A dentist. 03:09 Praise the Lord. You know I got a little. 03:11 We will talk about it. 03:13 I guess you get that a lot. Good to have you here. 03:16 I want to just go through some of the titles here 03:18 so we get everybody on the right path. 03:21 Vinh, you are CEO and executive director of AMEN. 03:24 Yes. 03:26 Again, that's a voted position? 03:27 That's a hard position. 03:30 And, Dr. Brian, you're a volunteer AMEN doctor. 03:34 And Dr. Hessong is a volunteer AMEN doctor. 03:37 The position of executive director and CEO, 03:42 is that for a specific period of time, 03:44 or is it kind of like a Supreme Court judge, 03:46 you stay there till you die? 03:48 Until they find someone, that's a order I leave. 03:52 And we praise the Lord for that. 03:54 I want to get before we go into the work that AMEN does 03:56 and it's such a great ministry. 03:59 Just a little history on each of you. 04:02 Brian, your name may be a little more known 04:05 but you are born where? 04:07 In Michigan. Michigan guy. 04:08 Adventist home? Adventist home. 04:10 So you grew up Adventist. 04:11 Went to Cedar Lake Academy, now Great Lakes Academy, 04:14 and Andrews University, 04:15 and ultimately out to Loma Linda University 04:18 for medical school. Okay. 04:19 Was medicine always sort of in your blood, 04:21 in your DNA, 04:22 or something you kind of fell into 04:24 as you got a little bit older? Yeah, it was. 04:25 My grandfather was 04:26 a general practitioner at Michigan 04:28 and when I was a child, 04:30 every time he asks me 04:31 what I want to do when I grow up. 04:32 If I said a pastor, or a farmer, 04:35 he would say, "Oh, that's good" 04:36 but if I said a doctor, he would say, 04:38 "Oh, that's fabulous. 04:39 Here is the dollar" and so I was brainwashed. 04:41 I was brainwashed from a very early age. 04:43 Okay, yeah. 04:44 He was sort of lining you up from as a child. 04:48 But that was a natural thing for you, 04:49 it wasn't something that had to be forced, 04:51 it was natural for you. Yeah, it was. 04:52 And as a child, I actually struggled with asthma 04:55 and so I had a little bit of exposure 04:56 to the medical world. 04:57 And it just seem like a very natural fit, 04:59 something that I always wanted to do, 05:02 had a desire to challenge myself 05:05 and it's definitely challenging 05:06 but I will sort of be able to serve people 05:08 and it's been very rewarding. 05:10 And you've been in the practice of medicine, 05:12 how many years? 05:14 Oh, I graduated from Loma Linda in 1989. 05:18 Practiced internal medicine for five years, 05:20 and then went back and trained as a cardiologist 05:22 at the University of Cincinnati. 05:24 I have been doing that since 2002 05:26 at Kettering Medical Center in Dayton, Ohio. 05:29 Why does one, from your perspective, 05:33 go into medicine, become a doctor? 05:35 It can be lucrative, 05:37 I mean, you can, you can make money 05:38 but there are many fields of endear 05:40 that will pay you well, 05:42 but why medicine for you? 05:43 Certainly growing up Adventist, 05:47 grew up with many mission stories. 05:49 I remember as a child reading story of David Livingstone 05:51 and many other missionaries 05:54 that have gone around the world. 05:56 That was really appealing. 05:58 I actually thought that I was gonna be in overseas missions 06:01 when I first started my training. 06:04 I like the challenge that medicine had. 06:10 Definitely, 06:12 there is that stature in society 06:14 that comes with it, that's good. 06:16 But it really wasn't, 06:17 it really did not became a medical ministry 06:20 like that I now see it, 06:22 that wasn't until about 13 years ago 06:24 when AMEN first got started. 06:26 We were challenged by Pastor Mark Finley 06:28 to turn my medical practice 06:29 which at that point was just a job into actual ministry, 06:32 into a medical ministry 06:34 and that revolutionized my practice. 06:36 Okay. Praise the Lord. 06:37 Vinh, the only one I see without doctor 06:40 in front of your name. 06:42 The CEO of AMEN is not a doctor. 06:45 What do you do? 06:46 Well, I have been a paramedic for over ten years. 06:48 Oh, okay. So you were in medicine. 06:50 Yeah, until I came to AMEN about two years ago. 06:53 Born where? 06:54 I was born in Beijing, China. 06:56 My parents came over here when I was two years old. 06:59 I was sponsored by 07:00 the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. 07:02 And they all got baptized in the Adventist 07:03 and I end up going back to the church 07:05 27 years later. 07:07 Praise the Lord. 07:08 So when you were born, 07:10 they were Adventists already or were not? 07:12 They were Buddhists. They were Buddhists. 07:14 Was it a wrenching thing to come into Adventism 07:17 or is it sort of easy transition? 07:18 It was a very easy transition for them 07:20 and then for myself, it was pretty much the same. 07:23 Were your parents fully practicing Buddhists 07:25 or were they kind of like normal? 07:26 They were fully practicing Buddhists. 07:27 So they really were. 07:29 So all you really know is Adventism for most part. 07:31 Pretty much, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 07:34 Any wilderness years 07:35 or where you kind of a straight up, bona fide, 07:37 good guy Adventists all the way through? 07:40 I was more of the typical Chinese 07:42 growing up in the US 07:43 where, you know, you have a curfew at 6 o'clock, 07:49 go to work early, you know, 07:51 and on the weekend and things like that, 07:52 so on like on Sundays and Sunday is when we meet. 07:56 And other than that at home studying, you know, 08:00 mom and dad, you know, 08:03 raised both my brother and I in a very strict household, 08:06 where we couldn't even walk outside the door 08:08 without even asking permission. 08:09 Oh, wow! Yeah 08:11 Yeah, yeah. Kind of sounds like our household. 08:15 I am going to the door now. 08:16 No, you're not. 08:17 You can't, that kind of thing. 08:20 Robert, where you're from? 08:22 Gresham, Oregon. Oregon, okay. 08:23 Just east of Portland. 08:26 Adventist home growing up? 08:28 My mom was Adventist. 08:30 My dad became an Adventist 08:33 when I was a junior in the Academy. 08:35 Okay, okay. 08:36 When did... 08:38 'cause as you all know, it is one thing 08:39 to sort of grow up 08:40 surrounded by the accoutrements of Adventism. 08:42 It is another thing to kind of take that on 08:44 as a personal relationship between you and Christ. 08:46 When did that hit for you, Robert? 08:49 I think probably... 08:55 when I was probably around 14 years old. 08:57 Oh, fairly early. Yeah. 09:00 That I was, 09:02 I knew that that's what I wanted in my life. 09:06 Praise the Lord. 09:08 Now you're a doctor of dental surgery? 09:10 Right. 09:11 Okay, you are the guy that we're all afraid of. 09:15 Me too. 09:18 Was dentistry always something that you wanted to do, 09:21 or...? 09:23 For a very, very long time, in the... 09:25 my yearbook in high school 09:26 that says, "I want to be a dentist." 09:28 But it took me a while to get there. 09:31 You had some other directions 09:33 initially before you moved into...? 09:35 I was a med tech before dentistry. 09:39 Then back to school to dentistry? 09:41 And have been practicing how long? 09:43 I practiced 35 years. 09:45 You are too. Praise the Lord. 09:47 Long enough to know what you doing. 09:48 I hope so. Me too. 09:51 We all do. 09:52 Gentlemen, I want to get into what AMEN is, 09:54 and what it does, and what it seeks to do? 10:01 In fact, let's do that now before we even go to our music. 10:06 Give me some history, 10:07 I don't know who's gonna weigh into this of, 10:10 when it got started, how it got started? 10:12 Who was the, we'll say "Brains" behind the beginning of AMEN? 10:16 Yeah. 10:18 So back in 2003 at an ASI, 10:21 I think in 2004 at an ASI Conference, 10:23 several physicians were just getting together 10:25 and brainstorming. 10:27 Dr. Niron James, and Dr. Phil Mills, 10:29 Dr. Michael Orlich, 10:31 and just talking about the fact 10:33 that there was such a big disconnect 10:34 between the medical work and in the gospel ministry. 10:38 And they started brainstorming. 10:40 In the spring I think of 2005, we... 10:45 there was just a little e-mail chain 10:47 that went out to, 10:49 and I'm not sure how I got invited 10:51 but to a small group of physicians mainly 10:53 and a few dentists 10:54 that there were just gonna get a group together 10:56 and talk about it. 10:58 That happened in Cohutta Springs in Georgia, 11:00 spring of 2005 11:02 and Pastor Mark Finley came, he challenged the group, 11:05 he laid out aspects 11:09 of how this could really revolutionize 11:11 the work in our church 11:13 and how it's so effective for evangelism. 11:15 And it challenged me personally 11:17 to think how can I turn my practice, 11:20 which at that point had been a job, 11:23 how can I turn that into actually a medical ministry. 11:26 And so the first thing that I learned from him personally 11:29 was that one of the very easiest ways 11:33 to start having a spiritual conversations 11:35 with patients is actually pray with them. 11:37 And I left that conference, 11:40 wasn't really a conference but just that gathering there 11:42 about 50 of us altogether including spouses, 11:46 left there challenged that I needed to go home 11:50 and start praying with patients. 11:51 Now you would think that coming from Loma Linda, 11:54 I knew how to do that already, 11:56 and that certainly seen at one or two occasions. 12:02 When I had actually personally tried to do it, 12:04 that was very uncomfortable 12:06 and I did not feel comfortable doing that, 12:10 and gave you some personal examples 12:11 about praying with patients. 12:13 But essentially, I started doing it, 12:17 started praying with the people 12:18 that I thought might appreciate a prayer, 12:20 it turns out it's the people that I had least expected 12:25 would want to have prayer that had the largest response 12:27 where they would break down in tears 12:29 and just thank me for caring about them, 12:32 and just by expressing a spiritual interest 12:34 in patients, 12:37 all of a sudden the whole... 12:40 whole realm in my office just changed 12:42 to where I was actually feeling genuine compassion for patients 12:46 and they were sensing 12:47 more than just a professional practice 12:50 and a professional service, 12:51 but that I actually cared and cared about them, 12:53 and it opened the door 12:55 to numerous spiritual conversations. 12:56 So I mean, it does alter the dynamic in the room... 12:59 It sure does. 13:01 You are... 13:02 And I will assume a spiritual guy, 13:05 yet you were not comfortable 13:07 bringing that aspect of your life into your work. 13:10 Yeah, it was not generally modeled. 13:12 And so did not learn how to do it in a comfortable way. 13:16 I knew of one or two physicians that did that, 13:19 but I didn't personally know how to do that. 13:22 So but then that fall, in the fall of 2005, 13:26 we had our first AMEN formal conference, 13:29 we organized a board, 13:31 appointing an executive director 13:32 and held a conference in San Diego. 13:35 First two years, we met in San Diego, 13:36 and then after that we've been having a conference every year 13:38 back and forth on the east and west coast. 13:41 Robert, I want to ask you, too, 13:43 to my mind, if there's anybody I wouldn't praying with me, 13:45 it would be a dentist. 13:48 Was that something that you were in the habit of doing 13:51 early on 13:52 or whether you got to sort of work your way into also? 13:55 I worked my way into 13:57 like that still, it's still hard for me. 14:00 Is it so? Yeah. 14:04 You know, you get a sense, 14:06 at least, I think I do of someone 14:09 that would be comfortable with you doing that, 14:14 but I am sure you miss a lot by doing it that way. 14:18 Do you ask them can I pray with you 14:22 or do you just? 14:23 Yeah, one of the biggest, 14:25 I know I do a seminar at our conference 14:26 on praying with patients, 14:27 and one of the biggest concerns that comes up is, 14:30 am I violating their ethics, 14:32 am I imposing my values on them? 14:35 But Mark from the very beginning 14:36 challenged us to say, "Just ask their permission" 14:39 and that's something I've always done. 14:40 And so, what I actually do with all my patients now 14:43 as I'm getting ready to close the encounter as I just say, 14:45 by the way one of the things I often do with all my patients 14:47 is to have a prayer for you. 14:49 Would that be something that you would appreciate? 14:51 And I am in the Bible Belt 14:55 but it's been in the last 12 years now, 14:58 less than ten times that I've had someone say, "No." 15:01 And I've gotten very adept 15:02 at just quickly changing the subject 15:04 and saying, "Okay, that's fine. 15:05 We will focus on these other things." 15:09 It's been amazingly well received, 15:12 Jewish patients, Hindu patients, 15:15 all but Jehovah's Witnesses and atheists 15:18 are very willing to allow me to pray. 15:20 Yeah. 15:22 Have you found the same in your practice, Robert, or no? 15:23 Not really. Not really. 15:25 But I come from, I come from Portland, Oregon. 15:29 Which is aggressively secular part of the country. 15:31 Yes. 15:33 Is it apathetic? Are they upset that you do it? 15:36 What is the response when you, when you try to approach that? 15:41 I don't know that I can answer that. 15:43 I have been rejected 15:47 but more, more often than not they will say, "Okay." 15:51 Yeah, yeah. 15:52 Vinh, in you work, are you given an opportunity, 15:55 do you have opportunities 15:56 to pray with people that you come in contact with 15:58 in you intimately? Oh, absolutely. 16:00 I mean, we see pretty much about 300 to 500 patients 16:02 at every clinic, 16:04 and the opportunity to walk around 16:05 for our patients share us, you know, 16:08 how did you hear about the clinics, 16:10 and then we would be able to pray with them. 16:14 More than not, 16:15 I usually get the answer is "Yes", 16:17 and this is from all walks of life 16:19 and from every different denominations 16:21 that come to our clinics and to get service. 16:24 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 16:26 So it does, it does work. 16:28 I am interested, you teach a class 16:30 and that encourages doctors to pray with their patients. 16:34 I hold a seminar every year at AMEN conferences. 16:38 I guess since I was the early adapter 16:40 and disciple of Pastor Finley, 16:42 and I came back and did that, 16:45 every year we have a kind of a workshop or a seminar 16:48 for people that are wanting to learn 16:50 how to do it in an easy way and what the power of it is. 16:53 And that's just the beginning, that just opens the door. 16:56 But, you know, as a physician we... 17:00 and as a dentist, 17:01 we see people from all walks of life 17:03 that we wouldn't otherwise cross paths with. 17:05 So we might have the homeless person 17:08 that comes in, 17:09 we might have a veteran, 17:10 but we also have CEO's of Fortune 500 companies 17:13 and they live in gated communities, 17:14 they don't even fly in the same airplanes 17:15 that we fly on, 17:17 and yet they come to my practice as well. 17:19 And just a really brief story 17:21 but the chief of the fire department 17:23 of one of our local towns that I prayed with him 17:27 and he had tears in his eyes, he thanked me, 17:31 later on he had heart valve surgery, 17:33 and before the surgery I prayed with him again. 17:35 And, but in just a minute after I prayed with him, 17:38 he said, "Doc, that just meant so much to me. 17:39 Can you do that one more time before I go back." 17:41 Is that so? 17:42 And then there wasn't any discussion, 17:44 but I see him year after year since he has this surgery. 17:47 Two years later, he just, at the very end of the day, 17:50 he said, "Doc, you're a spiritual person. 17:52 Can I ask you a question? 17:55 You're educated, 17:57 why do you believe that the Bible is true?" 17:59 And so that would never have happened 18:01 if I hadn't prayed with a patient. 18:03 The next year, he came back and said, "Doctor, 18:05 there's a lot of people that believe in evolution 18:08 but you believe in creation, can you tell me why?" 18:10 And so, he's asking spiritual questions, 18:12 he's not connected with the church. 18:14 But when he starts having these questions, 18:16 I'm the guy that he thinks that he's comfortable with 18:18 that to actually ask those about. 18:20 And I've seen that happen over and over and over and over. 18:22 Amen. 18:23 Yeah, when you direct back to the history then, 18:25 you mention the earthquake in Haiti. 18:27 It was at the earthquake in Haiti 18:29 that AMEN got mobilized to actually think, 18:31 "Hey, can we start doing 18:32 in that case international outreach." 18:35 Mobilized the team and went down there, 18:36 you guys were down there, 18:38 and helped after that. 18:40 There was, as a result of that that we started thinking, 18:43 "We need some outreach opportunities 18:45 for physicians and dentists." 18:46 And so out of that came some international clinics, 18:52 where we would get a team of volunteers to go overseas 18:55 and then shortly decided, you know what, 18:58 well, there is a big need to do this at home as well. 19:00 And so particularly with dentistry, 19:03 also with ophthalmology and optometry, 19:05 we do vision clinics, dentistry clinics, 19:07 and medical clinics, 19:09 and that's really been very successful 19:11 in the last four years. 19:13 What is interesting 19:15 when we do the Your Best Pathways 19:17 and I'm on their board, 19:19 two of the things that you see of a lot of, 19:21 there's a lot of need for dentistry, 19:23 and there's a great, great need for eye care. 19:27 Those lines seemed to be, seemed to be the longest. 19:31 My thought is so the average, perhaps even Adventist doctor 19:36 is not as a rule of practice praying with his patients. 19:40 That's something that that, 19:41 I know it's not taught in schools per se, 19:45 here's how you pray with your patients 19:46 but that's not something that is commonly done. 19:48 Well, I've worked at a strongly Seventh-Day Adventist Hospital. 19:54 When I first came to train there, 19:56 I knew of two physicians that prayed with patients. 20:01 But for the vast majority, I think it's safe to say 20:04 that that's something that we're not taught, 20:05 we're not comfortable with. 20:08 So one of the things AMEN is doing 20:10 is trying to do a little paradigm shift 20:12 in that mode of practice to try to get it, 20:14 at least, in the consciousness of people 20:16 that there are those who may appreciate 20:18 that kind of service as part of their... 20:20 Absolutely. 20:21 So a core of what AMEN is about 20:23 is actually inspiring physicians, 20:25 and dentists, and optometrist, 20:28 and other healthcare workers 20:29 to make actual thought process 20:33 about how can I change my practice of medicine, 20:35 so it's not just a day-to-day job 20:37 but into a ministry. 20:38 And we do that through our conferences, 20:40 we put out a journal twice a year, 20:43 we do seminars, 20:45 and hold our regional conferences as well, 20:47 and now with the clinics 20:49 we actually have hands on opportunity 20:51 to get involved and do that kind of ministry 20:53 where if I'm not particularly comfortable 20:56 praying or minister into the spiritual needs, 20:58 I come to the clinic and with them and the team, 21:01 and we have chaplains, we have volunteers, 21:03 we have other physicians who are comfortable with it. 21:06 It just starts becoming a natural thing to do 21:07 and hopefully then it turns into something 21:10 we bring back into our practice. 21:12 But more than that 21:14 we intentionally hold our conferences 21:16 every other year within just a short drive from Loma Linda, 21:19 and we sponsor and mentor medical and dental students 21:23 to come to our conference 21:24 so that we can hopefully engage them early on, 21:27 and that's been very, very successful. 21:30 Now Mr. CEO, obviously, you don't have to be a doctor, 21:35 per se, you can be someone allied 21:37 to the medical profession to be part of AMEN, 21:39 is that correct? Yes. 21:41 And you can actually be anybody 21:44 that's just have the love for Jesus 21:47 and wants to express that love, and just want to get involved, 21:51 get people to know what we're really about, 21:53 and what Jesus' love is really about. 21:55 They can just come and join us, and we can teach them. 21:59 They may not be teaching, treating patients 22:01 but there's plenty other aspect of our AMEN clinic, 22:05 where we're focusing on the lifestyle, 22:08 the spiritual care, 22:09 how do we get people to kind of continue that relationship 22:12 to come back and to learn more about Jesus, 22:16 that is our focus. 22:17 And then during that time 22:19 they will get their physical healing as well. 22:23 Give me some sense, 22:25 because one of the things you do 22:26 is free clinics and those kinds of things. 22:31 How that, and I may want to start with you on this, Robert, 22:34 how stepping out of your normal nine to five, 22:38 and doing some volunteer stuff, 22:41 and giving back to the community, 22:42 how that enhances? 22:44 What kind of effect does that have 22:45 on your spiritual life? 22:47 And when you go back to your regular work, 22:50 what kind of spring does it put in your step? 22:52 It's kind of a leading question. 22:54 But obviously, I know when you give like that, 22:56 you get back, the Lord sees that that will happen, 22:58 there's a sort of reciprocity. 22:59 But walk me through 23:01 as a person who does what you do for a paycheck, 23:05 which is your job 23:06 but then you put that aside and you go out in the community 23:08 and you do some volunteer work 23:10 which is a spiritual thing. 23:12 How that impacts upon your life and on your work? 23:16 Well, volunteering has been 23:20 probably, the most rewarding thing 23:21 that for my wife and I that we have ever done. 23:26 We've been involved with AMEN just two years. 23:31 But in 1990, 23:33 we started doing short term mission trips 23:36 with a physician from Portland 23:39 and we had our own group 23:40 that we went to different places usually, 23:44 built a church and had medical, dental clinics, 23:47 and vacation Bible schools, and took high school kids. 23:51 But in my practice I had never... 23:55 The first time I went in 1990, 23:57 I had never been on my practice more than one week. 24:01 And I was scared to death that I was by myself 24:06 and I thought, you know, what's going to happen 24:08 and I went, 24:12 and we had a good time, and it's hard work. 24:17 And I know always on the way home 24:19 people would say, "Why are you going back?" 24:21 and you say, "It's too soon to answer that." 24:23 But within the couple of months 24:25 you were planning the next trip. 24:28 So it grows on you, it's not for everyone 24:32 'cause I've had people that has gone with us 24:35 that they would never do it again, 24:37 and others can't wait to go the next time. 24:41 But with AMEN, it happened just two years ago. 24:51 A lady that's a friend of ours now, 24:55 can't even think of her name, 24:58 Jenny, Jen ran an ad in Portland 25:03 that they were in church bulletins 25:05 that they were going to get together 25:07 and think about having this free clinic. 25:09 And they were having a meeting, I think in January 25:13 and I went, 25:15 there was 12 of us that showed up at that meeting, 25:18 12 people. 25:19 I believe I was the only dentist that day. 25:23 That's how I think I became the director. 25:25 And then we... 25:30 they were doing one in Yakoma 25:33 and so we went up there to observe, 25:36 and I believe that was the first one that Vinh did. 25:41 And it just kind of, we were, 25:44 we're doing one in Portland in that August 25:46 and it just has kept going. 25:49 This last year, 25:51 my wife and I were involved in ten clinics 25:54 that we went to, so. 25:57 So this is kind of taken over a little slice of your life, 26:00 this kind of thing. 26:01 Yes. Yeah. 26:03 It is one thing to go on an occasional mission trip 26:08 and sort of get you, you're far as warm. 26:10 When you sign up for AMEN, 26:12 you are kind of formally signing up 26:13 to give a good section of your life to this cause. 26:17 What about, what AMEN does appeal to you 26:20 that you wanted to sort of make it a formal connection 26:23 with AMEN? 26:26 Well, I think that particularly in any of the missions 26:31 but AMEN, 26:32 the segment of the population that we are trying to reach 26:37 that fall through the cracks, and they're very appreciative. 26:42 It's just is rewarding to see their need 26:49 and that you're helping fulfill that. 26:51 And they're very thankful 26:53 and that's usually expressive about that is just, 26:57 it's, I am not saying you do it just for the warm fuzzes 27:01 because you actually feel like you've accomplished something 27:05 at the end of the day. Yeah. 27:06 That's made their life better. Yeah. 27:08 And there's something to be said for warm fuzzes too, 27:10 you know, that's not a bad thing. 27:12 Do you find, Brian, that most people 27:16 who are medical professionals 27:18 are kind of, Robert, kind of grinding away 27:20 at their job and doing their job? 27:23 And something like AMEN gives them a chance 27:25 to sort of bring the head above water 27:26 but more than to tap into a spiritual thing 27:28 to know that what they're doing now 27:30 has a spiritual component 27:32 that is they're the, sort of hands and feet of Jesus. 27:34 I don't want to speak for every physician and dentist 27:37 and provider out there, I'm sure, 27:40 there's others motivated for different reasons 27:41 but I know for myself personally, 27:44 there's a lot of things about medicine 27:45 that can become a grind if we just let it happen. 27:47 You're focusing on meeting certain quotas, 27:49 you got to so much red tape 27:53 and things we have to do now with insurance companies. 27:55 And that can take some of the joy out of medicine 27:57 that we went into it for. 27:59 So I do believe that by giving back 28:01 by particularly volunteering. 28:04 But even the transition in my mind of now 28:07 thinking that my practice is a ministry. 28:10 So every Monday morning now 28:12 we start with prayer with our whole staff, 28:14 we pray for the staff members, their concerns, 28:16 and then we pray for our patients. 28:18 I never used to do that before going to AMEN. 28:21 We have a Bible study for patients to come to. 28:25 We have a teaching program in our Kettering Medical Center, 28:31 and I'm the program director for interventional cardiology. 28:35 But my fellows that come in training, 28:37 several of them are actually Muslim, 28:39 one of them, just one of them 28:41 regularly prays with his patients 28:43 at his hospital in Indiana now. 28:46 He just held a plant based lifestyle program 28:51 that he tributes back to training in our program 28:54 and has called me and says, 28:56 "You've changed the way that I look at patients 28:58 and I now pray with my patients 28:59 because of practicing with you." 29:01 So he's Muslim, 29:03 he still thinks of himself that way 29:05 but he sees it as very important 29:06 to be doing ministry and outreach. 29:08 Another fellow that I trained, 29:11 just said, "Dr. Schwartz, 29:13 I know you're involved with that ministry, 29:14 that we had just gone to take care 29:16 of the Syrian refugees in Greece, 29:18 and he's originally from Syria. 29:20 And he just said, "I want..." 29:22 He just wrote me a blank check, $5,000 29:25 and he said, "I want you to use that for that ministry 29:27 that you're involved with that is serving us." 29:29 So I mean, this has a much greater impact 29:35 on transforming my whole practice 29:37 to where it's no longer the mundane 29:39 of day-to-day practice. 29:41 So just to clarify a couple of things, 29:43 so Bob is able to give a lot more time, 29:46 he's mostly retired from his regular practice. 29:49 So he's really fulfilled to put his time into that. 29:52 I'm still in a busy practice. 29:54 Fortunately, I can still get away a few weekends 29:56 and several weeks during the year to do ministry. 29:59 It's actually in my contract 30:00 that I have four weeks just to do mission ministry. 30:02 Oh, wow. 30:04 And that's because our administration has seen 30:06 the impact of being involved with AMEN. 30:09 But for a physician in full practice 30:11 to still take that time off 30:13 and it could just be for a weekend, it could, 30:15 we don't do clinics on Sabbath, we do Thursday or Friday, 30:18 or Friday and Sunday, or just a Sunday. 30:20 And we have some volunteers that come in 30:22 for maybe one weekend the whole year, 30:23 and we have volunteers that come in 30:26 like Bob and his wife 30:27 who've done 10 to 20 just in the last two years. 30:30 Oh, wow! 30:32 And so there are regulars 30:33 that try to come to all of them that they can, 30:35 but I think something we haven't talked about 30:37 and one of the biggest impacts that we have 30:40 is that when medical ministry 30:41 is coupled with gospel ministry, 30:44 that's where we really see the power. 30:46 And you've seen that with Pathways, 30:48 I volunteered to Pathways as well. 30:50 We have many members that go back and forth. 30:53 But when we can unite 30:55 the power of what AMEN does with our clients 30:57 is by bringing it to the local church level 31:00 and engaging the church, 31:01 and to see young people get involved in something 31:04 that they're doing service 31:05 that gets them engaged in the church. 31:07 But it has a huge impact on opening the awareness 31:11 to what the church is doing there 31:13 and that really empowers evangelism 31:15 and maybe Vinh can talk about that 31:17 but this has been a very successful tour 31:19 where we partner with churches, 31:21 who then hold an evangelistic series, 31:24 and we've seen many baptisms as a result of that. 31:26 And so, this is the opening wedge 31:27 and in fact if we get time, 31:29 I'd like to read just a quote from Ministry of Healing 31:31 that makes that very, very clear. 31:32 We are glad to have you do so. 31:34 Now, you've got, before we go too far, 31:35 you've got a video you brought with, 31:36 and I don't know if we overshot that, 31:38 I would like to take a moment to set that up. 31:40 While they're setting up, Vinh, let me ask you a question. 31:44 Do you know approximately 31:45 how many doctors are under the AMEN umbrella 31:49 or medical personnel that you have in total? 31:52 In terms of volunteers... 31:54 So in general, overall, we have over 30,000 volunteers. 32:00 Half of them are providers for my database, 32:04 and most of them were in the same state. 32:08 They are returning providers. 32:11 And they invite their friends 32:13 after they experience the first AMEN clinics 32:15 and it's continuing to get larger. 32:17 That's part of the reasons why we continue to have 32:19 more and more clinics each year. 32:20 Praise the Lord. 32:21 Are these things kind of addictive, 32:23 it's like when you hold an evangelistic crusade 32:25 and if the Lord bless, you'll get them some baptisms, 32:27 kind of get a bit in your mouth, 32:29 now you want to do it again and again and again 32:30 and the same way with that. 32:32 Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 32:33 So many of our volunteers come back time after time 32:36 when we can work it into their schedule. 32:38 But I would like to emphasize to that, 32:41 I've been able to do this because I am retired. 32:43 But we would like to know from my perspective, 32:48 just the people that in the local area 32:51 at this clinic to volunteer, 32:52 that doesn't mean they have to go to others, 32:55 they are welcome too. 32:56 But we need them to come 33:00 when we have one in Portland or San Diego or wherever, 33:05 the people in that area if they will come, 33:07 it makes it worthwhile and they will... 33:13 I think most of them enjoy it. That's the backbone. 33:15 I mean, the big thing that I try to tell people 33:19 that are volunteering is 33:21 you have to think of this as a mission trip, 33:24 that it's not your office. 33:27 Because... 33:29 We still want to do ideal dentistry 33:34 as much as possible, 33:35 you know, we are not trying to do shortcuts. 33:37 We can't do everything in that setting. 33:42 You may not have the instruments 33:44 or whatever they're used to using, 33:47 but most of us because of what we are 33:50 can adapt just to what's there is. 33:52 Yeah, yeah. 33:54 I think that people are... 33:55 People are honestly really excited 33:57 about just medical missionary 33:59 and what we do as in AMEN 34:02 is the fact that 34:03 they don't have to go overseas to do it. 34:06 And just because we're in the US, 34:08 it doesn't mean it's not the missionary field. 34:10 And so we're providing an opportunity for them 34:13 to really cater to their needs in terms of I want to help 34:17 but I can't travel halfway across the world to do it. 34:21 They can do it right in their backyard. 34:23 And by even small towns 34:25 that are able to hold these clinics, 34:28 they get very involved and very excited about it 34:30 because it's assessable, 34:32 that's the biggest part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 34:34 That I very much co-sign, 34:36 mission work is where you find it. 34:37 You know, mission field is a place 34:39 where people need help. 34:41 That could be any place on planet earth 34:42 including right across the street 34:44 or right around the corner. 34:45 Let's take a look at this video and I got a bunch of questions 34:47 that I want to ask you guys when we come back. 34:49 Let's take a look at it just now. 35:06 Since 2013, 35:08 AMEN has flung open the doors 35:10 to what it means to be 35:12 a mission minded medical professional. 35:15 Thousands of patients have walked into a gym, church, 35:19 convention center, and even a refugee camp. 35:24 They were greeted and treated by thousands of volunteers 35:27 who shared the same earnest desire 35:30 to be Jesus' hands in helping and healing the sick. 35:34 And then, the patients left, physical pain eased, 35:38 and hearts a little less burden than the day before. 35:43 Now, four incredible years later, 35:45 it's time to circle back to why all of this matters, 35:49 the patient's journey to Christ. 35:53 Clinic-in-a-Box 35:54 is a scaled down version of the AMEN Clinic, 35:57 held over just one day with a few providers 36:01 and all the same free services 36:02 that AMEN clinic has always featured. 36:06 Why the change? 36:08 Because rather than being a revolving door 36:10 of medical procedures, 36:12 the clinic must be a door that opens to the church. 36:20 It's not enough 36:21 that a clinic meets the physical needs 36:22 of thousands. 36:24 Those thousands of patients must know God and His love, 36:28 a love that is capable of healing 36:31 even the greatest pain. 36:34 The mission of Clinic-in-a-Box is to put a spotlight 36:37 on even the smallest Adventist church 36:40 and to empower its members 36:41 to become a light in their community. 36:45 That's really what a church should be, isn't it? 36:48 A safe place of hope, healing, and love. 36:52 And that is what your church can be. 36:55 Maybe all you need is to plant the seed. 37:03 For more information about how you can host a Clinic-in-a-Box, 37:06 please email AMEN at admin@amensda.org 37:12 or call (530) 883-8061. 37:23 Excellent. Exciting stuff. 37:25 Bunch of questions. 37:26 I know that there is no upper limit 37:29 as far as volunteering 37:31 because Robert does many, many, 37:33 is there a minimum requirement you have to do so many per year 37:36 when you join AMEN or anything like that? 37:38 No, absolutely not, 37:40 there's no restriction in terms of 37:41 even if you come for couple of hours. 37:42 A couple of hours can make a huge difference 37:44 in one patient's life or two, 37:47 so we don't have limitations. 37:49 We just appreciate the fact 37:50 that volunteers from all walks of life 37:52 who want to come to an AMEN clinic 37:53 and just put their time 37:55 into helping someone that needs help, 37:59 and needs the physical healing and the spiritual healing. 38:02 Is your volunteer base principally Adventist 38:06 or just anyone who has a missionary mindset 38:09 and loves Christ, can they be a part of it, or...? 38:11 Majority of our volunteers are Adventists. 38:15 We need an Adventist basically to show that 38:16 what we are really about, and how we live our lifestyle, 38:18 and how we present Jesus' love so. 38:21 But we do invite other people 38:23 so that they can experience and kind of join us, 38:24 and we actually had quite a few providers 38:26 that have come to an Adventist or an AMEN clinic 38:30 and really start asking questions, 38:31 "Who are you? What are you? 38:33 What do you mean? What do you represent?" 38:35 And actually picked up literatures about Adventists 38:39 and someone who actually started going to church, 38:41 and someone actually became Adventist themselves 38:44 through an AMEN clinic 38:45 because they were exposed to what we do 38:47 and what we're about. Yeah. 38:48 Now here's what is intriguing 38:50 because there are a lot of churches 38:52 that want to hold small events in their communities. 38:55 Usually, if they are lucky 38:57 they may have one nurse, one doctor 38:58 in their congregation or somebody. 39:00 I don't think most churches are aware 39:02 that they can get some outside help 39:04 from you guys. 39:06 If they want to do something maybe a little bit bigger, 39:08 want to step it up just a little bit, 39:11 that's a possibility, 39:12 that's something that's available. 39:14 Absolutely. 39:15 So we have a database of volunteers 39:17 that are willing to travel. 39:19 Obviously, if the church itself has a health outreach, 39:22 we want to build on that foundation 39:23 and we can give them the tools 39:25 in a small scale or a large scale to do that. 39:28 But they might have two nurses or they might have a dentist. 39:33 But if we don't have a dentist, we don't have an optometrist, 39:36 there are people who want to volunteer 39:37 and come from afar 39:39 to come in and help them with that 39:41 but certainly, building on the resources they have, 39:44 bringing in further volunteers, 39:46 and bringing in the equipment to help them do that 39:47 can be very powerful. 39:49 What kind of requests load are you facing each year? 39:54 More than we can ever provide. 39:58 It occurred to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 40:00 But we also realize that our system is designed 40:05 so that we can be scalable, 40:07 that we can reach out to the small churches. 40:10 In the past it's always been, 40:11 well, you've got to be a big church, 40:13 you've got to get numerous, 40:14 numerous church involved in order to hold 40:17 any type of mobile clinic to be honest with you. 40:20 So we designed a model that actually works 40:22 where small churches, for example, 40:24 Clinic-in-a-Box where you just saw the video. 40:26 Our first one was held in South Tahoe, 40:29 30 member church that held a clinic, 40:32 and their Sunday church joined the event. 40:35 You see what we can do. 40:38 And we're having more requests out of that because there are 40:41 more small churches that need the help as well. 40:44 And we're able to provide 40:46 different scalable models for them. 40:49 Yeah, yeah, that's kind of refreshing 40:50 that the small guy gets a shot also. 40:52 That's right. 40:53 How then do you sort of triage your requests 40:56 'cause if you've got more requests 40:58 than you have time or personnel, 41:00 how do you determine who gets who gets the... 41:03 I think pretty much the same way 41:04 we treat our self or the patient. 41:06 You know, it's first come first serve basis. 41:09 Coming on to our request and just sending us an e-mail 41:12 and we start talking about what are the needs 41:14 and what are the community needs 41:15 and what are the resources around. 41:17 It is important that we always have a church 41:18 that's involved to get the follow up 41:21 care as well, 41:23 and so that is part of our requirement. 41:25 And once that whole conversation 41:27 gets started 41:28 and we determine that they are fit for an AMEN clinic, 41:31 then at that point we start going through a 108 page 41:35 checklist for them. 41:37 Oh, wow. Is that so, really? 41:38 So we are, our system is very organized 41:40 in terms of how we plan. 41:42 It takes between six weeks to eight months 41:46 depending on the size of the clinic. 41:48 But we provide all the resources 41:49 that they need, 41:51 even our coordinator pretty much call them, 41:52 hold their hand through the whole process, 41:55 a roadmap on how to do it, training videos, 41:58 online training. 41:59 So we are... 42:01 And even all our softwares are customized 42:03 so we provide all this information to them. 42:07 They're not in this alone. 42:09 So most people think that once they try to sign up 42:11 for an AMEN clinic, they have to figure it all out. 42:14 Actually, we do almost of the legwork, 42:15 we just need them to recruit the patient and the volunteer. 42:18 Okay. So that's exciting, 42:20 the fact that even a small churches 42:22 who doesn't have any expertise, once they contact you, 42:25 there's sort of a roadmap or procedure that is following 42:27 that sort of walk them to the process 42:29 kind of demystifies it a little bit. 42:31 Absolutely. Excellent. Excellent. 42:33 How do you determine how much personnel 42:35 you need at a particular site, 42:36 given the services they want to provide 42:39 or the size of the congregation? 42:40 It's really the size of the congregation actually, 42:42 we are, I know there are some churches 42:44 that would love to have larger clinics 42:47 and they wanted to do it at a community center 42:49 or an academy gym. 42:52 And my first question would always be, 42:54 "How big is your church? 42:56 Do you have a fellowship hall? Do you have a cafeteria?" 42:58 Because I would always love to have it in church first 43:00 and foremost, put our focus on that church. 43:04 And most of the time it works, 43:07 especially for the small churches 43:10 we put our clinics 43:12 in probably the most outrageous places 43:15 and turn into a clinic, parking lots, cafeterias, 43:19 you know, it's because of that our system 43:22 and the way we design our system, 43:24 and how we set up. 43:26 We can put it, pretty much put it anywhere 43:28 except for a closet space, but if it's big enough space. 43:33 We've turned many, many different types of rooms, 43:36 open space into a clinic. 43:38 There is no limitation to what we can do. 43:43 Now for me I would... 43:44 My thinking as a pastor, I want them in my building, 43:47 if I had the space 43:49 I wouldn't want to take them to the hotel, 43:50 I want them in my building so they become familiar, 43:52 with coming through those doors, 43:54 I do want them in my building. 43:55 Are most of the clinics that you do in churches 43:58 or there any another kind of areas? 43:59 Majority of our churches over 80% are in the churches. 44:01 Like that. I like that. So that's... 44:02 Yeah, the macro work is the opening wedge... 44:04 So it gets people in the door 44:06 and then they stay to listen for more. 44:07 So I think calling evangelistic meetings outside 44:09 and then bringing them to the church is probably easier 44:11 but holding medical work in the church... 44:13 Yes. Brings them to the church. 44:14 Precisely. 44:16 And if I could, I'd like to just read 44:17 from the Ministry of Healing, that's kind of 44:19 been a guide to us but page 141, 44:22 "Physical healing is bound up with the Gospel Commission. 44:25 And the work of the gospel, 44:27 teaching and healing are never to be separated." 44:30 And so often our evangelistic meetings 44:32 and our health work, 44:33 the two have been completely divided. 44:35 Yes, yeah. 44:36 So AMEN feels that we've been called by the Lord 44:39 to actually bring these two together, 44:40 we want to work with pastors, we want to work with churches. 44:43 And especially, it's effective 44:45 when there is already an evangelist effort 44:47 going on at that church to open that door 44:49 and get the community aware, 44:51 and at that point they're comfortable. 44:53 Yeah, yeah. Praise the Lord. 44:54 When you put, when you said one photograph, 44:56 I was thinking about that big famous statement, 44:57 it's 143, 147, about Christ is out with them 45:01 before He bade them follow me as right in the 140, somewhere. 45:05 143! There you go. 45:06 I was gonna read that too." 45:08 But Christ's method alone 45:09 will give true success in reaching the people. 45:12 The Savior mingled with men as one who desired their good. 45:16 And He showed His sympathy for them, 45:18 ministered to their needs," 45:20 and that's what we're doing with AMEN. 45:21 Yes. "Won their confidence." 45:23 Then He bade them, "Follow Me." 45:25 And, I mean, we've mentioned about 45:27 literally people that I've taken care of in a clinic, 45:30 one gentleman who's never been to church 45:32 had no prior interests came in and was just in tears 45:35 to thank that we would be there to serve Him. 45:38 And his first response is, "Why do you people do this? 45:40 What church do you belong? 45:42 I want to be a member of that church." 45:43 And so without even yet knowing the doctrines 45:46 but seeing the gospel in action 45:49 through our works, our good works, 45:52 it motivated him to see that that was love 45:54 and he wanted to be a part of that. 45:56 And we've had that happen over and over and over. 45:58 I have seen it at Pathways 45:59 and I have seen it with AMEN clinics, 46:02 then seen that many times, 46:04 and it just opens people's hearts to say, 46:06 "What do you people believe? Why do you do this? 46:08 Nobody in the world's doing this 46:10 free volunteering their time." 46:11 Our world is gotten very self-focused 46:14 and we're turning that around through the AMEN clinic. 46:16 Praise the Lord. 46:18 You actually preempted my next question. 46:20 There is a line of continuum from the medical care 46:24 to the baptismal pool. 46:26 And it happens enough to know that it justifies 46:28 what you guys are doing. 46:29 Yes. Yeah, yeah. Well, you can talk about that. 46:31 Absolutely. 46:32 We through our own software and database 46:34 we collect information from our patients. 46:37 In the last, just in the last two years alone, 46:40 we have thousands of people that have signed up 46:42 for Bible studies. 46:44 There are hundreds of people that have returned to church. 46:46 Even certain places, Ogden, Utah and Las Vegas have 46:51 combined was over 100 baptisms. 46:53 And not as a direct because we were 46:56 just the hook for them, 46:58 we were the supplements foundation 47:01 for them to bring that... 47:02 Built that relationship with the patient 47:04 for them to come back to church. 47:06 And as a result of us 47:08 participating in their evangelistic series. 47:12 They were able to bring up over 100 baptisms 47:15 and 50 baptisms in Ogden alone. 47:18 And so it shows that there are needs out there 47:22 and we're going to continue doing it. 47:25 So there's a power in combining the gospel ministry 47:27 and the medical ministry and that's explosive. 47:30 Very much so. We're finding that out. 47:31 Yeah. And praise the Lord. 47:32 And I've seen this enough through working with AMEN 47:34 and with Pathways, the fact that 47:37 there is this almost wow factor. 47:39 People saying, "Well, you guys 47:41 will take time out of your life, 47:43 out of your, whatever you're doing to come 47:44 and do this for me. 47:46 I'd like to know a little bit more about 47:47 where you're coming from 47:49 and what motivates you to do that?" 47:50 And of course, that opens the door 47:51 for all kinds of things in studying the Word of God 47:54 which is a great thing. 47:55 Some of these patients drive hours 47:58 to get to these clinics. 48:00 And last year in Portland, we had a lady and her daughter 48:05 who came from Idaho, you know, like six hours they drove. 48:11 Somebody had handed the mother a pamphlet, 48:16 advertising it and like the day before 48:19 and they got in the car and drove. 48:21 And, so it gets around. 48:27 You know, I was thinking just in Haiti I remember, 48:32 they taught me to do blood pressures 48:33 and every now and again though we would do that kind of thing. 48:35 And we decided in my wife's church, 48:38 and my wife's family's church back in Panama 48:39 we are doing blood pressures. 48:41 And a fellow walked in one, I remember 189 over 160 some, 48:47 you know, kind of thing. 48:48 And they just did some simple things 48:52 and I don't know what medication they applied 48:54 but he said it was the first time in years 48:56 that he wasn't dizzy, you know, the fact that 48:58 is he could stand up straight and do like that 49:00 and not fall over basically, the idea. 49:03 And he immediately, "I want to know what church you are. 49:05 I want to know, I just want to know." 49:07 And he said, "Next week, I'm coming." 49:09 You know, that kind of thing. 49:10 So there is this gratitude but you it's... 49:13 And it is addictive to see people do that, you know, 49:17 to see them say, "Wow! 49:18 I want to know about the Jesus that you serve." 49:21 That's an addictive kind of thing. 49:23 Quickly, if a person wants to be part of AMEN, 49:26 is it a difficult process? 49:28 Are there dues that must be paid 49:29 and then you do some of logistics and stuff. 49:31 I want to talk about two aspects. 49:33 So we have an actual membership for physicians, 49:35 and dentists, and optometrist, and allied health workers 49:38 who can become formal members of AMEN. 49:41 They become boarding members. 49:43 They're the ones that typically come to our conferences, 49:46 they may be holding events regionally. 49:48 But the volunteer base for the clinics 49:50 is wide open to anyone 49:52 and that includes students and laypeople 49:57 and just church members in general 49:58 and even community members that just want to get involved 50:01 and so that's a much wider, there's no... 50:03 Okay, so there are two levels we are dealing with, 50:05 just people who want to come 50:06 and volunteer and supply their services, 50:09 and those who want to become official members of AMEN. 50:11 That's right. 50:13 Like the one we're doing in Portland. 50:16 The last two years we've had 50:18 from the dental school in Oregon, 50:19 we've had students, 50:21 last year we had 20 with instructors 50:24 and we're having them again this year. 50:28 I think maybe, one of those was Adventist. 50:33 But they're excited about coming, 50:36 they look forward to doing it. 50:38 That's exciting that you are 50:40 just exposing into the wider community. 50:41 I would like to tell just about one patient 50:43 that we have in Portland if we have time. 50:46 His name is Norman. He is a Filipino. 50:49 He is seeking political asylum here. 50:54 He has no arms. 50:56 He was born with no arms and he's in his 30s. 51:01 He had... 51:03 My understanding not a lot of education 51:05 because he was persecuted, 51:08 he felt by both the students and the teachers 51:12 because of his affliction. 51:15 And an Adventist pastor brought him to the States, 51:21 and I don't know all of the story. 51:24 He is staying with a man who was not an Adventist 51:28 and he has come to my church before this, Elder Sam. 51:34 But he came to this clinic in 2016 in August. 51:40 And I was intrigued, 51:45 he needed like 16 teeth extracted. 51:48 And he... 51:52 They did about six of them and the guy gave him the card 51:55 and said, "Come to my office." 51:57 And he has completely fixed him up 52:00 with partials, the sky smiles all the time now. 52:04 Changed his life. Praise the Lord. 52:07 Should you want to make contact with AMEN to support 52:11 the work that they're doing, maybe volunteer your services, 52:13 become an official member. 52:14 Here is the contact information that you will need. 52:19 Jesus' ministry involved the restoration of the body 52:22 as well as the reclaiming of the heart, 52:24 and He instructed His disciples to do the same. 52:27 However one should not be done without the other. 52:31 Adventist Medical Evangelism Network 52:33 is looking for likeminded, medical, 52:35 and dental professionals 52:37 who would like to work with them. 52:38 For more information, please visit their website 52:41 AMENFreeClinics.org. 52:43 That's AMENFreeClinics.org. 52:47 Call them at area code (530) 883-8061, 52:52 or write to them at AMEN, 570 Business Park Drive, 52:57 Suite 110, Lincoln, California 956448. |
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