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Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY018017A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:10 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:13 My name is CA Murray. 01:14 And allow me to thank you once again 01:16 for sharing just a little of your day with us, 01:19 so thank you as always for your love, 01:20 your prayers, your support 01:22 of Three Angels Broadcasting Network, 01:24 as together we lift up the mighty 01:27 and matchless name of Jesus 01:29 and we get the world prepared for the greatest event 01:32 in the history of mankind, 01:33 that is the second coming 01:35 of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. 01:36 So you will forgive me today because I am excited, yea, 01:38 to get in this because of our subject matter 01:42 and because of the two young men 01:45 who are my guests, 01:46 and when I say young comparatively, 01:49 if you added both of their ages you would not get mine. 01:52 So they are young men, 01:54 but they are young men who are on fire for the Lord 01:56 and the ministry is called "Shining Light Ministry". 01:59 We are gonna delve into that and try to unearth what that is 02:04 and what it does, and what it seeks to do. 02:06 My guests are, and I want to get this name right, Ilcias, 02:09 which I love, Ilcias Vargas and Samuel's kind of easy, 02:12 Samuel Vargas. 02:14 Guys, good to have you here. 02:16 We are glad to be here too. Good. 02:17 Let me give you the punch line, for these are young guys 02:19 not yet driving 02:21 either I don't believe, not yet, 02:23 but on fire for the Lord, 02:25 and covering a lot of territory for the Lord. 02:27 And praise the Lord, 02:29 you have good loving parents who are... 02:32 you have a corteg here today. 02:33 You come all the way from...? 02:35 Northern Virginia. Northern Virginia. 02:37 So about 12, 14 hours, or so? 02:39 Yes, about 12 hours. 02:40 Good to have you guys here. 02:42 Before we go to our music, 02:43 I want to get into a couple of things, 02:44 because obviously you grew up in Adventist home, 02:46 Christian home. 02:48 Were you home schooled or did you go to public school? 02:49 Home schooled. Home schooled! 02:51 Still being home schooled, I suspect. 02:53 Yes. Your mom doing the teaching. 02:54 Well, our parents... Both. 02:56 they did administrative work 02:57 with the aid of a Adventist home teacher. 03:00 Praise the Lord. 03:01 You like being home schooled? 03:03 Yes. It's really good. Yes. 03:05 It's pretty much the same as other schools 03:08 'cause we have a schedule 03:09 that we follow throughout the day, 03:11 and we have homework, I guess. 03:13 Everything's homework as we are doing it at our home. 03:15 That's all, well, that is true. 03:17 That is true. 03:19 Let me ask you this because, Ilcias, 03:21 you preach and Samuel plays, 03:26 which is a nice combination actually 03:28 when you think about it. 03:30 We were talking before about the call to ministry 03:34 and you are preaching in your local area, 03:36 you are preaching around. 03:37 When did it occur to you 03:39 that God wanted you to be a preacher? 03:44 Well, from the earliest age I can remember, 03:46 I was fascinated with, you know, sharing God's work. 03:49 As a toddler 03:52 I would, in church I would sometimes mimic the pastor, 03:55 or at home I would preach to my toys, 03:59 or draw an audience for me to preach to. 04:02 Anything I could do to preach. 04:04 So it's always been there. Yes. 04:05 And so at the age of nine, I got my first opportunity, 04:08 God provided the first opportunity. 04:10 I was member of the Adventurer Club 04:13 at Woodbridge Seventh-day Adventist Church 04:15 and I shared my desire to preach with the head elder 04:19 and he invited me to speak for Pathfinder Adventure Day, 04:22 and so that was back in 2011. 04:25 And so God has given me many more opportunities 04:28 and sent to speak for Him and it's wonderful. 04:30 Praise the Lord. 04:31 Were you ever nervous standing in the pulpit 04:32 or were you pretty comfortable? 04:34 Usually, I am nervous before. 04:37 And then as I get up to speak, you know, 04:40 that's where the Lord takes over 04:41 and, you know, it runs smoothly from there. 04:44 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 04:46 When did you begin playing, Samuel? 04:49 Well, we both, we both take piano lessons. 04:51 We both studied at the age of seven and eight years old. 04:54 We have been blessed with wonderful teachers 04:55 who helped us to develop our talent for, 04:57 to the glory of God. 04:59 Praise the Lord. 05:00 Do either of your parents play instruments? 05:02 No. No. 05:03 Not really. 05:05 But did they want you to play 05:06 or was something you guys desire to do on your own? 05:08 Oh, they wanted us to play. 05:09 They wanted you to play. 05:11 Yeah, mother. Yes, yes. 05:12 Our mother, you know, she had seen her mother, 05:15 you know, sing for my dad's, 05:17 my grandfather's evangelistic meetings 05:19 and I think that my grandfather was a pastor in Jamaica, 05:22 Pastor W.H. Decanter. 05:24 And my grandmother would sing for his meetings 05:27 and my mother would witness the power of God through music, 05:31 and so she always desire that her children 05:34 would learn to play music 05:35 and use music to the glory of God, 05:38 and so she make sure we got piano lessons. 05:41 Let me ask you a question 05:42 which may be a bit embarrassing. 05:43 Because my parents wanted me to play violin 05:47 and I frankly hated the violin 05:50 and I would not practice, and so they said, 05:52 "Well, if you are not going to practice 05:53 and we're not gonna waste our money." 05:55 Did you have to be encouraged to play 05:58 or to practice or what some of your thoughts? 06:00 Definitely, I think, that is the thing, yes. 06:02 That's the way it usually is. 06:03 We are watching the clock for half an hour... 06:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah. When is practice over. 06:06 Yeah. That's, usually the way it is. 06:07 It's funny because you don't really 06:09 respect the time your parents put in, 06:12 I don't want to say forcing, encouraging you to play, 06:15 till you get older and look back, 06:17 and then you kind of glad they did. 06:18 And now I regret it that my mom didn't kind of push me to do so 06:22 but she just said, 06:23 "Well, if you don't want to practice, 06:25 I am not going to waste my money." 06:26 But as you get older and get some perspective, 06:28 you realize that's a good discipline to have, 06:31 and it really does add to your life. 06:33 Yes. Yeah. 06:35 It is one thing, 06:36 and I want to go to music in a minute 06:38 but I want to just get this question out. 06:40 It is one thing to grow up in an Adventist home 06:44 surrounded by Adventist parents and siblings, 06:47 it is another thing altogether 06:51 to know Jesus for yourself, 06:54 and I want you both to sort of wrestle with this 06:55 and answer this question for me. 06:58 At what point in your lives 07:02 did the idea of one-on-one 07:05 surrender relationship to Jesus occur to you? 07:08 At what age, how old, 07:10 or was it a sudden kind of thing? 07:12 Did it kind of ease its way into your consciousness? 07:15 How did that relationship first of all occurred to you 07:18 and then develop in your life? 07:20 I guess, Ilcias, we can start with you. 07:22 All right. 07:24 Like you mentioned it gradual, you know, my parents, you know, 07:28 taught me about God 07:30 and that He had a special plan for my life. 07:33 But it wasn't really till like the age of nine 07:35 that I kind of realized, you know, 07:37 I can't depend on my parents to go to heaven, 07:39 it has to be done through Jesus 07:41 so personal relationship with Jesus. 07:43 Yeah. 07:44 And so it was at the age of nine 07:46 really where I committed my life to Christ 07:49 and said, "Lord, you have your way in my life." 07:53 As I grow older, of course, I began to learn more about, 07:55 you know, developing a relationship with Christ 07:58 and I became more intentional about that relationship. 08:03 In 2015, 08:05 I believe, I began a Bible reading program, 08:07 took me through an entire year. 08:09 And I know it's powerful because, you know, 08:11 as I began in the earlier on in the year, 08:14 I'd just be reading the Bible. 08:15 Yes. 08:16 But then, you know, I knew the principle 08:18 'pray before you read', 08:20 and so I would pray reading the Bible 08:21 and then as the years passed on I would think, you know, 08:25 "Well, I pray before I read the Bible. 08:27 Why not just take some time to talk to God about the day 08:31 and the challenges or trials 08:33 that may be coming up during the day." 08:35 And so that really established my prayer life. 08:38 And so it's been a wonderful experience, 08:40 a wonderful relationship with God 08:41 that's grown throughout the years. 08:44 Samuel, same question. 08:45 Your relationship, kind of a sudden thing, 08:48 something that grew on you, about what age were you 08:50 when you kind of locked one-on-one with Christ? 08:53 Like when he said, 08:54 it was about the age of eight or nine years old 08:57 when I actually realized that I can't get to heaven 09:00 based on what my parents have done. 09:01 I have to make a personal decision. 09:03 I have to have a one-on-one relationship with Christ. 09:06 And since then, it's kind of been 09:08 a gradual growth experience. 09:09 I have grown closer to Him. 09:12 I have known to depend on Him for things, 09:14 for different things, 09:16 and to trust Him in challenging circumstances, 09:19 and even in simple things like school, 09:21 praying before a test, 09:24 asking Him to help me 09:26 to remember the things I have learned and studied. 09:28 Praise the Lord. 09:29 Let me congratulate and encourage you both 09:32 because age nine, 09:34 that's a fairly mature thought for a nine year old. 09:38 I actually joined the church at age nine too 09:40 but I had no Adventist in my family. 09:42 Mine was a little more sudden, I would go to church 09:45 and with the people across the street, 09:47 and my mother let me go, she didn't want to go 09:50 or neither my dad but I like to go on Sabbath. 09:53 And one day there's pastor's preaching, 09:55 and he made a call and I saw myself walking down, 09:58 I am like, "Why am I walking down? 10:00 But I did. 10:02 And, of course, I have ever looked back. 10:05 But the notion, the idea, 10:07 that I'm going to have to develop 10:08 a relationship for myself 10:10 and not lean on my mom or my dad, 10:12 it's fairly sophisticated to thinking for a nine year old, 10:14 but that occurred to both of you that 10:16 this is going to, has to be one-on-one. 10:17 Yes. Praise the Lord. 10:19 Praise the Lord. 10:20 At what age did you get baptized, Ilcias? 10:22 Let's see, it was at the age of 11. 10:29 Eleven. Eleven. 10:30 2013. Samuel? 10:31 Age of ten. We were baptized on the same day. 10:33 Oh! Okay. Okay. 10:35 We studied together. 10:37 We took Bible studies together 10:38 and then we are baptized together. 10:40 Praise the Lord. 10:41 My grandfather was actually there at our baptism. 10:43 That must have been nice. 10:44 Yeah. Yeah. 10:46 See I baptized my parents. 10:47 I baptized my mom, I baptized my dad, 10:49 I baptized my sister, 10:50 I was the only Adventist in my family, 10:51 so ours is a little bit reverse. 10:53 And back then when we were studying, 10:55 they kept you in baptismal class for six months. 10:57 Wow! 11:00 They want to make sure that your roots went deep, you know, 11:02 no quickie stuff, it's six months though. 11:04 The kept you in a long time. 11:06 But once you made that decision, any regrets? 11:09 No. No regrets. 11:11 Well said. I got you. 11:12 Jesus says, "No regrets." 11:14 So you haven't looked back? No. 11:16 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 11:17 Praise the Lord. I am happy with that. 11:19 I want to go to the music, then I want to get back 11:20 and talk a little bit more about the ministry, the name, 11:24 and what it seeks to do, 11:25 and what you guys are seeking to do for the Lord. 11:28 Our music today is coming from just a great pianist, 11:31 a great friend of this ministry, 11:33 one of Nashville's finest, 11:36 we all know and love Tim Parton 11:39 who is a favorite friend around here, 11:41 Emmy nominated guy, one of the... 11:44 considered one of the better pianists in America. 11:47 Just a wonderful person but also a wonderful Christian 11:50 who God has given a really wonderful and special gift, 11:55 and what he is going to be playing for us today is 11:56 "Wonderful Grace of Jesus". 15:17 Well done, Tim Parton, "Wonderful Grace of Jesus", 15:20 great friend of this ministry and great personal friend, 15:22 and we love Tim around here. 15:24 My guests are Ilcias and Samuel Vargas, 15:27 they of Shining Light Ministry. 15:30 And we talked about this before we came on air, 15:32 where did that name came from? 15:34 It came from the verses, well, several verses in the Bible. 15:37 But primarily, Proverbs 4:18, which says, 15:41 "The path of the just is as a shining light 15:43 which shines more and more unto the perfect day." 15:45 Talking about the progression of truth. 15:46 Yes. 15:47 And then in Matthew chapter 5, I believe verse 18, 15:49 where Jesus says, 15:51 "Let your light so shine before men." 15:53 So as one verse talks about the truth of God 15:55 where as the other one talks about 15:57 how Christians are to reflect that truth in their lives. 16:01 Sure. Very admirable title. 16:02 Let me ask you this, guys because you are young, 16:05 young men, 15, 16, 14, 15, 16:08 I don't remember, 15, 16, 14, 15? 16:10 15, 16. 15, 16. 16:12 Okay, 15, 16. 16:14 So young mid-teens, 16:16 you could be out playing basketball, 16:17 running around doing stuff. 16:19 Do you put in Bible study time every day? 16:22 Yes. It's a priority. 16:24 It's a priority. Yes. 16:25 So it's nothing your parents have to force you to do. 16:27 No. Praise the Lord. 16:28 We make a decision to get up every morning 16:30 and spend some time in the study of God's Word. 16:32 So you do it every morning? Every morning. 16:33 First thing? Yes. 16:35 Both of you? Yes. 16:36 Praise the Lord. 16:38 For young people, 16:40 that's commendable 16:42 that you are putting God first, 16:43 because if you are seeking to do things for the Lord, 16:45 you need the power of God in your life. 16:47 So it's not something you have to be forced to do 16:49 like piano practice. 16:50 This is something you want to do, right? 16:52 Yes, and by the way, piano practice 16:53 is no longer forced anymore. 16:54 Praise the Lord. 16:56 It's progressed. I am so glad to hear that. 16:59 But this is a natural part of your daily routine. 17:01 Yes. 17:02 On those days when you may get a little rushed 17:05 and things get a little hectic, 17:07 can you feel the lack of Bible study 17:09 and the affect it has on your life? 17:11 Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. 17:12 So you know it's something that you need to do 17:14 and that's the integral part 17:17 of your existence with the Lord. 17:18 Yes, definitely. 17:21 Yeah, it's like eating is necessary for life, 17:24 studying God's Word and spending, 17:26 well, not just studying God's Word 17:28 but also praying to Him, it's a two way connection. 17:31 Spending time in Bible study and prayers is very important 17:34 in the Christian life. 17:35 And I believe it's very important 17:36 especially in our younger years 17:40 as my brother and I are teenagers, 17:43 it really helps to set the right perspective for life. 17:48 So I suspect you have been serving the Lord 17:52 really since you came out of your 17:54 single digits into your teen years. 17:57 Do you guys still get tempted or you have you pretty much 18:01 gotten over some of that wilderness stuff 18:03 that kids go through in their mid-teens? 18:07 I would say there are still quite a few temptations 18:09 out there that kind of attempt to draw us away 18:14 but when our connection is strong with the Lord, 18:18 doesn't matter at all. 18:20 Yes, that's why again back to that connection with God, 18:22 that will keep you. 18:25 I think, was it David in Psalm 119 who said, 18:29 "How can a young man keep his way pure 18:32 is by taking heed according to the word." 18:35 You know, I certainly wouldn't mind 18:38 losing a few years and be a little younger, 18:39 but I don't know if I want to be a teen again. 18:41 I have such great respect for young people 18:43 who have locked on to the Lord as you two appear to have done. 18:48 It is one thing to grow up in Adventist home, 18:54 it is another thing even to be part of a church family, 18:58 but it's a different thing to stand up 19:02 and want to speak for the Lord 19:04 because one, you have the responsibility 19:06 of being an example 19:07 so that your words are matched by your deeds, 19:10 you had that pressure. 19:12 And also the fact that when you stand up for the Lord, 19:15 you develop one consistent, persistent enemy who is Satan. 19:18 Definitely. Now Praise the Lord. 19:20 "Greater is he that is in you than he that is in world," 19:22 but as young people you must know 19:24 you are on the firing line of the enemy. 19:27 Yes. 19:28 And that's something we have to constantly remember. 19:30 Yes. 19:31 As we minister for God, we have to realize 19:33 we have to be continually on our guard. 19:35 We may be raised in a Christian home, 19:37 we may be surrounded by Christian influences 19:40 but there are still 19:42 the attempts of the enemy to draw us away. 19:44 Satan try to draw us away through pride and selfishness 19:47 and need to be on guard continually. 19:50 Did the idea for Shining Light Ministry, 19:52 was that a corporate idea 19:53 or did one of you come up with it? 19:55 How did that sort of developed? 19:56 Well, it sort of developed gradually. 19:59 It was mainly his idea 20:01 but we kind of planned together 20:04 on how we have to structure this, 20:07 and even at this point 20:08 we haven't really gotten like big. 20:11 Yeah, like a structured organization. 20:13 But it's really the spontaneous overflow 20:20 of our Christian experience. 20:23 But really our involvement in ministry for the Lord 20:25 began before the development 20:27 of Shining Light Media Ministry. 20:28 I would, to put a date 20:30 on the beginning of the ministry, 20:31 I would say 2012. 20:33 But from 2011, you know, 20:37 2011 was so when I preached my first sermon, 20:39 and my dad used the video or cam recorder 20:42 to record the sermon on video. 20:44 And so he burned it to a DVD, shared it with friends, 20:47 he uploaded to the web, shared it on the web, 20:49 and so I like to think of that 20:51 as a beginning of our media ministry, 20:53 the media aspect of our ministry. 20:55 But as we grew older 20:58 and as we continue to develop our talents for God, 21:02 we had been invited to ministry of different churches, 21:05 either to do special music or to, or for me to speak, 21:10 and my dad would record them on video 21:11 and shared them via DVD and the web. 21:14 And so that gave him our messages in music 21:16 even greater reach than before 'cause, you know, 21:19 one special music or sermon can be done in one church. 21:22 Yes. 21:23 But once shared on the web, it can have a greater reach. 21:26 Very much so. 21:28 We talked about, if you remember 21:29 your very first sermon, 21:31 do you remember what kind of response 21:33 the audience had to... 21:35 the congregation had to your speaking? 21:38 They certainly said that they were blessed. 21:40 Oh, praise the Lord. 21:41 And especially to see a young person 21:43 willing to share God's Word. 21:45 And so... 21:46 Yeah, it was really blessing and, you know, 21:49 I find myself amazed every time, 21:51 it never grows old. 21:52 We are sharing God's Word 21:54 and the response people afterwards, 21:56 you know, it's almost as if there is a little voice 21:59 in the back of my mind, "I got to do this again." 22:01 Got to do this again. 22:02 It's very addictive, it really is. 22:04 Yeah, it is, it is. 22:05 Do you recall the first time, and maybe in your first sermon, 22:08 when you had someone respond to your appeal? 22:14 Not necessarily my first time, and that was more like a charge 22:18 because it was Pathfinder Adventure day. 22:20 But the Lord has been, you know, 22:24 in different, in different, 22:28 in different lines of ministry 22:31 there is progress in development. 22:32 Oh, yes! 22:34 And so, you know, as we have been, 22:36 you know, we take music lessons 22:37 and we've grown nice skills on the piano 22:40 and so the same thing I believe happens by preaching 22:42 because, you know, 22:44 over the past few months and years, 22:46 God has been teaching me how to make appeals. 22:48 You know, for the first few years 22:50 I kind of shied away from that, 22:51 like, I don't want to, you know, press too far. 22:54 But especially these past few months, 22:59 God has been working very powerfully. 23:02 At church, we've been starting to go through, 23:04 you know, some of the basic Adventist doctrines. 23:06 And they preach on Daniel 2, and made an appeal, 23:09 my brother provides the music for the appeal, 23:12 and so it's very powerful, 23:14 that one was more of a prayer appeal. 23:15 But it was amazing, people said, you know, 23:18 they understood things as never before 23:21 and understood the seriousness of the times in which we live. 23:24 At a different church in Arlington a few weeks ago, 23:28 I didn't even know I had to make an appeal, 23:30 but they asked me, 23:32 "Can you make an appeal at the end of the message?" 23:34 And so relying on the Lord's Spirit 23:35 and the power that he gives us, 23:38 I made the appeal, 23:40 and afterwards the Pathfinder coordinator said, 23:43 "You know, both members and nonmembers 23:46 responded very positively to your speech." 23:47 Amen. Amen! So praise the Lord 23:49 for what He has been working through me. 23:50 Yeah, yeah. 23:51 Have you found that calling people to Jesus 23:53 is an addictive thing? 23:55 Yes, it is addictive. It is addictive. 23:58 It's very addictive. 24:00 Have you done any evangelism yet? 24:01 Well, that kind of ties into the reformation project 24:05 that we worked on in 2017. 24:08 In 2017, well, let me backtrack to 2016 24:12 because in October of that year we realized, 24:16 you know, the upcoming year, 24:17 it's the Protestant Reformation, 24:19 500 year anniversary. 24:22 But we didn't really think about it that much until 24:25 probably the summer of 2017, 24:27 and the Lord impressed us with the idea 24:29 that this would be 24:30 a powerful ministry opportunity. 24:32 And so we put together a video, a ten minute video, 24:35 short documentary video 24:38 about the historical and spiritual significance 24:40 of the Protestant Reformation, 24:42 and we shared it on YouTube, and we used that to promote 24:46 a weekend long series at our church 24:49 about the Protestant Reformation series 24:51 which I preached. 24:53 And so, I like to think of that as, you know, 24:55 one of my first experiences, 24:56 our first experiences in evangelism, 24:59 and, you know, I definitely want to do 25:00 evangelism in the future. 25:03 In fact, that's the line of ministry 25:04 I believe God's calling me into, evangelism. 25:07 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 25:09 Samuel, you, of course, 25:10 play for your brother and play along with him. 25:13 The idea of preaching never occurred to you. 25:17 Not really. 25:20 God calls His servants 25:23 to do the work in different capacities, 25:25 and I feel that preaching is just not my thing. 25:29 I don't feel I can get up in front of a crowd of people 25:32 and share the Word of God. 25:33 If He tells me later on that I'm supposed to do that, 25:36 I'll do it. 25:38 Yes. 25:39 But at this point in my life I don't feel, 25:40 I don't feel that quite yet. 25:42 But especially during appeals, he is very helpful 25:43 because for a pianist 25:46 to read notes from a book is one thing... 25:49 Yes. 25:50 But at first pianist to keep on going 25:52 and looping during the appeal 25:55 that sometimes I go a bit longer than 25:56 he expects me to. 25:58 And sometimes I ask the congregation to sing along 26:00 and he doesn't expect to have to play 26:02 for the congregation, so. 26:03 He is tricky. 26:06 So you've kind of developed a rhythm with each other 26:08 as far as knowing what the other person wants 26:09 what the other person expects. 26:10 Yes. Yeah, yeah. 26:12 I think of it like the Wesley brothers, you know, 26:13 there was John Wesley, the preaching, 26:15 and Charles with the music. 26:18 That's really great. 26:19 I will tell you a secret, I did a week of prayer 26:20 right after I came out of college. 26:22 My mother was a Methodist 26:23 and I knew she was ready 26:25 to come to the Lord because she... 26:26 As I would make an appeal every night, 26:29 she would cry and kind of rock in a pew, you know. 26:32 And I knew it was Friday night, 26:34 I was getting down to my last night 26:35 and I was going to preach Sabbath, it would be done. 26:37 And she was crying and then rocking and crying, 26:40 and I took her to the cross 26:41 and I talked about the coming of the Lord, 26:43 I talked about burning in hell, you know, 26:44 everything and she wouldn't get out of her seat, 26:46 I appealed almost 40 minutes. 26:48 Wow! 26:49 I said, "Lord, she's going to get out of that seat tonight." 26:52 And the pianist played and played and played 26:56 and after about 40 minutes up she stood, you know, 26:59 she became a Seventh-day Adventist, 27:01 baptized her myself 27:02 and she never regretted joining the church, 27:04 loved it to the day she died just several years ago. 27:07 Praise the Lord. 27:08 So I know how important is to have a pianist 27:10 who can kind of stick with you, you know. 27:11 Yes, definitely. 27:14 Rather than doing it just from notes 27:16 who can just kind of play and stay 27:17 and stay and stay with you. 27:21 There are other young people who have begun to buy 27:23 into your ministry, you are getting some help 27:25 because you're talking about this, 27:26 producing this documentary, 27:27 that was not done by you per se that you were part of it, 27:30 there was some other help that you got with that, 27:32 is that not so? 27:33 Well, with the documentary video, 27:35 the two of us worked on that 27:36 but really with the development of the ministry 27:39 and the web presence that we have. 27:42 It's really, we are indebted to wonderful family 27:46 that was attending our church 27:48 when we moved to Northern Virginia in 2014. 27:52 We attended Leesburg Seventh-Day Adventist Church, 27:54 and the family we met there on the first Sabbath, 27:57 the Penaranda family. 27:59 They are five of them, 28:01 the parents and the three children, 28:04 two boys and a girl. 28:06 And they're a very mission minded family 28:10 and they're really committed to God. 28:12 And in fact, the Father, Pastor Paul Penaranda, 28:17 he was the Pathfinder leader and lay pastor of the church. 28:21 And, in fact, the first Sabbath we were there, 28:25 he found out that we could play the piano, 28:27 and so he had us play special music 28:28 the following Sabbath 28:30 and really, he was instrumental in, 28:32 you know, the ministry we have, 28:34 the music ministry we have at the Leesburg Church today. 28:37 But as time progressed we formed friendships 28:40 with the children, Joshua, and Jared, and Rachel, 28:44 and especially Joshua and Jared, 28:45 we learned that we have a common interest 28:48 in video production 28:49 combined with a strong desire to share the gospel, 28:52 and so we teamed up with them. 28:55 In 2015, they helped us in creating a website 28:59 for the ministry and they can be viewed as 29:01 at ShiningLightMediaMinistry.org. 29:03 Okay, now say it again. 29:05 ShiningLightMediaMinistry. 29:06 One word. .org. Yes, one word. 29:08 ShiningLightMediaMinistry.org. 29:12 And I was slowing you down because so many of times 29:14 we hear people say, "Oh, I couldn't get it. 29:17 He went too fast" that kind of thing. 29:19 People listen, or they're running 29:20 to grab a pen or something, you know, 29:22 so we like to say it once or twice so that they get it. 29:26 So it's ShiningLightMediaMinistry.org. 29:29 Yes. Well done. Okay. 29:31 And so they helped to get the web presence started 29:34 as well as on YouTube, 29:36 they launched our YouTube channel, 29:39 and so we began uploading videos of sermons 29:41 and musical presentations. 29:42 And it's amazing, you know, 29:45 the reach we can have through the Internet. 29:49 We've looked at some of the analytics 29:52 and we've gotten views 29:53 from places like India, Pakistan, 29:55 the United Arab Emirates, Canada, 29:59 you know, South America, 30:01 and we've been amazed to see, 30:04 you know, how these, 30:05 how the Lord has taken these messages 30:07 to even greater reach than just in our home church. 30:11 Give me some sense, guys, of what kind of things 30:14 you're putting up on the internet? 30:17 Sermon titles, topics, what kinds of things you're, 30:19 you know, exposing your audience to? 30:22 Well, we just do the sermons 30:25 that he and Joshua would preach, 30:27 sermons mainly on fundamental beliefs 30:31 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, 30:32 and then we do, 30:34 we have a wide variety of musical selections 30:36 that we and the Penaranda children 30:39 would play or sing. 30:41 And we would share these on YouTube 30:43 and even our website, 30:47 and thus we would have a greater reach 30:48 with our ministry. 30:50 Very much so. 30:51 We also run a blog on the website 30:52 and so I'm the make main contributor to the blog, 30:56 and the blog shares insights 30:58 on Christian living, or Bible topics, 31:01 or even current events 31:02 as they relate to our spiritual lives. 31:05 In these blogs, blog entries have been shared 31:08 in my church newsletter 31:10 as well as in other web pages, and so it's amazing, 31:12 you know, people have responded positively 31:15 with positive feedback. 31:17 So you're reaching out 31:18 to any number of media trying to get the message out. 31:21 Yes. Yeah. 31:23 So at this point in your ministry 31:24 you're dealing pretty much with doctrinal subjects, 31:27 or pastoral subjects, 31:29 or are you pretty much trying to lay 31:31 a doctrinal foundation for your hearers? 31:34 Well, we want to focus more on doctrine in the future, 31:38 right now we are more generic, 31:40 you know, Christian, Christian topics, Bible topics. 31:44 But the idea for this coming year 31:48 and years to come, 31:50 we're trying to create a video, series of videos, 31:54 short probably like five to seven minutes, 31:59 targeted especially towards, 32:01 you know, our age people, young people of our age 32:06 that cover the basic Adventist beliefs 32:09 in light of the great controversy. 32:10 Yes. 32:12 I believe that, you know, God has given 32:14 the Seventh-day Adventist church 32:15 a very wonderful understanding 32:16 of the great controversy message. 32:19 And our doctrines are really based 32:21 on this understanding of, 32:22 first God is love and then also the idea that 32:26 there is this great controversy taking place. 32:30 You know in the postmodern age, 32:35 the idea is not to take history as a meta narrative 32:39 but more to look at, you know, different cultures, 32:41 or different events in isolation of the others. 32:45 But as Adventist, we understand that history 32:48 is set in the context of the great controversy. 32:51 And so we have that foundation of a meta narrative 32:53 that we need to present to our viewers. 32:56 And so really the first video is going to be on, 32:59 you know, what about things that's happened 33:01 or what is really going on? 33:02 And it's laying the foundation of the meta narrative 33:04 and the great controversy theme 33:07 throughout history and throughout the Bible. 33:08 Great stuff. Great stuff. 33:11 Where is the furthest place 33:12 that you've gotten a response to someone 33:15 who are watching your material that you've uploaded? 33:17 The farthest response... 33:19 On planet earth. 33:21 Oh, farthest response on planet earth. 33:23 Well... 33:24 Hopefully it was on planet earth. 33:26 I just want to make sure we're on planet earth. 33:28 Yeah, I don't think. 33:29 I don't think people admires logging on 33:31 to social media... 33:33 No, but really we get responses from all over the place. 33:37 We got a comment on our website from Africa the other day. 33:43 We've gotten, like I said we've gotten views 33:45 to our online content from all over the world. 33:49 And so, you know, people in different continents 33:51 have been sharing that they have been blessed. 33:53 Praise the Lord. 33:54 And I asked them because I'm impressed 33:55 by, I mean, there's only 24 hours in a day, 33:58 you got to do school, 33:59 I mean, just straight school, school. 34:01 Then I know what it is to prepare sermons, 34:03 you know, that's time and work. 34:05 Then if you get any Internet response, 34:09 you may want to answer them with their questions, 34:11 if there is problems, or praying with them, 34:13 so your days must be fairly full 34:17 with activity for the Lord. 34:18 Yes. 34:19 We mostly do our work on weekends. 34:21 Yes. 34:22 But 'cause, you know, during the week like you mentioned, 34:24 we have school and we also 34:26 are actively involved in our church 34:28 so, you know, it's really busy but it's a good kind of busy. 34:32 It's a good kind of busy. 34:33 You know they say that, 34:35 "Idle hands are the devil's workshop." 34:36 Yes, indeed. 34:38 So the Lord has kept us busy for Him. 34:41 Working on music ministry at our church, media ministry, 34:45 you know, getting the church, 34:47 you know, we actually run the church website 34:49 with the live streaming and everything. 34:51 And, you know, it's really busy 34:56 but we find, we make time to work 34:58 for the Lord through this ministry, 35:00 Shining Light Media Ministry. 35:02 And especially with the Penaranda family, 35:05 they've moved to the Philippines. 35:06 They moved to the Philippines in 2016. 35:10 And so, you know, that's kind of changed the way 35:13 we work together 35:15 because of, you know, the barriers in time, 35:17 and the Internet, and distance, yes. 35:20 But the Lord is still been blessing, 35:21 they're still working for God where they are 35:23 and we're working for God where we are. 35:26 You know, we do correspondence over email 35:29 and, you know, we communicate, and make plans, and strategies, 35:33 and when they come to visit we work, 35:35 we spend a lot of time to work together 35:37 on our projects, so. 35:38 Let me ask you this 35:40 because your excitement is infectious. 35:44 Are you aware of or do 35:46 you know, excuse me, any young people 35:48 that have maybe caught the burden that you have, 35:51 and sort of got that flame 35:52 that you have that is sort of driving 35:54 at this point of your life, 35:55 has it begun to hit critical mass 35:57 and kind of spread a little bit? 36:00 Well, we are praying that the Lord will provide 36:02 more young people to assist us who are as committed as we are, 36:07 and even more to assist us in this work. 36:11 We have been teaming up with other young people 36:13 from our church to provide music ministry. 36:16 You know, we go to the nursing homes 36:18 and we, you know, provide music for the residents there. 36:22 It's been a blessing. 36:23 And so what we're really trying to do 36:25 is we are trying to train up 36:26 other young people in our church, 36:29 you know, to see things from God's perspective... 36:33 Yes. 36:35 And to have that commitment to spreading God's message. 36:38 Praise the Lord. 36:39 Have you, either of you sing 36:41 or you just piano, play the piano? 36:43 Piano for now. Piano for now. 36:45 Sometimes we will sing another day. 36:46 I got you under the nerve, I saw that laugh. 36:51 Sometimes if it really comes down to it, I'll sing. 36:54 But I've been kind of teasing him 36:56 and saying, "Hey, you should sing sometimes." 36:59 So usually, your appeals are, you making the appeal 37:01 and Samuel just playing for you. 37:03 Yes. 37:04 If you needed to, 37:05 you could play for yourself though, correct? 37:07 Yes. All right. 37:08 Who is the more, and I won't say better pianist 37:09 'cause I don't want to get into sibling rivalry, 37:13 but who is the more advanced pianist at this point? 37:17 Well, since we started at the same time, 37:19 we are pretty much at about the same level. 37:21 He says, "I am better at composing." 37:23 I say, "He is better at playing for church." 37:26 So, that kind of a... 37:27 Okay, so it's a love fest, 37:29 it's kind of a corporate things so we praise the Lord for that. 37:31 I think he has, 37:32 God blessed Samuel with a bit more creativity 37:34 when it comes to music and the chords and everything. 37:37 I play mainly for the, 37:38 you know, congregational singing 37:40 in our service. 37:41 But Samuel's been coming up with arrangements and things, 37:44 and one of my favorite... 37:46 among my favorite experiences are when he plays a piano 37:51 for special music before I preach. 37:53 You know, it really sets me 37:54 in that frame of mind in service to God. 37:58 Do you know 37:59 what your brother sort of likes, 38:01 you have an idea 38:02 the kind of things that he likes, 38:03 or you just kind of wink and pray that the Lord... 38:07 You said to correct here. 38:09 I hear it a lot of times before we go. 38:12 It doesn't happen because, you know, 38:14 we're in the same house so eventually, 38:16 he will hear when you practice. 38:18 Okay, so you're not totally surprised. 38:20 Praise the Lord. Yes, definitely. 38:22 It's great. So you try to... 38:23 You try to match your music to what the sermon, 38:25 obviously what the sermon is all about. 38:28 Yes. Yeah. Praise the Lord. 38:30 Praise the Lord. 38:31 Does any particular 38:35 presentation of yours stand out in your mind 38:37 when you were particularly used by the Lord? 38:40 Is there any sort of particular blessing 38:42 that you can recount or recall of a time 38:45 when you stepped in the desk 38:47 and the Lord used in a mighty way, 38:48 or some life was changed, 38:50 or you getting reports of anything like that? 38:54 Well, that's a tough question to answer 38:56 because, you know, the Lord works every time. 38:58 But, you know, I remember a few weeks ago, 39:03 I was preaching at my home church 39:05 like I mentioned earlier about Daniel 2. 39:07 Our Pathfinder club is doing the Pathfinder Bible experience 39:09 and they're going through the Book of Daniel, 39:11 and we're helping to coach 39:13 'cause we're Pathfinders as well. 39:15 But I was preaching on Daniel 2, 39:17 and so I was going through the different metals 39:22 in the image and explain different things. 39:24 My mother observed 39:26 that even, you know, the smallest, 39:27 the youngest Pathfinders 39:29 like what, eight, nine years old, 39:30 they were, their attention was focused. 39:32 And so, you know, 39:36 I praise the Lord for that ability 39:37 because, you know, 39:41 when I prepare my sermons I try to think, 39:43 you know, is this going to be appreciated 39:47 by the even younger audience that will be listening. 39:51 But I'm amazed at the way the Lord works. 39:55 Like I mentioned 39:57 the younger ones are, were listening, 39:58 there were paying attention, 40:00 and one of the mothers in the church shared 40:01 with me afterwards 40:03 that during the sermon, you know, her daughter said, 40:06 "You know, I want to go to heaven. 40:07 I want to be in God's kingdom." 40:09 And even the older members of our church, 40:15 I remember there was this couple 40:16 that approached me afterwards and said, 40:18 "You know, we had a Bible study 40:19 at our church a few weeks, at our home a few weeks ago. 40:22 And Daniel 2 was being explained, 40:24 and we really didn't get it 40:26 but this sermon really opened our minds about that." 40:29 And, you know, I was amazed, 40:30 you know, how that the Lord will use 40:32 a 16 year old to try to explain 40:34 these things to people of different ages, 40:36 you know, it's amazing 40:38 how the Lord works, and it's very powerful. 40:40 I think you can pick up 40:42 the gospel to understand gospel truths 40:43 from anyone at any age if your mind is right. 40:46 Having said that, I do believe 40:48 that young people hear the gospel 40:50 through young lips in a different way. 40:53 I don't have any illusions 40:55 that a person in my age bracket 40:58 could be as effective tool, 40:59 a teenager as a committed teenager could be. 41:02 First of all, you just, you got shared experiences 41:05 and the gospel just comes out a little differently, 41:08 you know, when you're at that age, 41:10 so praise the Lord for that. 41:12 We've got some pictures and some videos. 41:14 I want you to set up this video that we were going to see. 41:17 Just now tell us what we're going to see. 41:19 The video that we're about to play 41:20 is I think a four minute segment 41:22 from the video about the Protestant Reformation 41:25 that we shared, you know, in 2017, 41:31 and so, I mean, so it's about four minutes. 41:33 The video, the full video, it's about ten minutes long, 41:36 it's on YouTube. 41:37 If you go to our website ShiningLightMediaMinistry.org, 41:40 you can scroll down and the videos, 41:42 you can watch a video there. 41:44 But it starts off with going 41:47 through the life of Martin Luther 41:48 and what led him to that point 41:50 where he nailed the 95 theses on the door of the church. 41:54 And then it takes it a bit further 41:56 and talks about the significance 41:58 of the Reformation in not only history 42:01 but also in our Christian experiences. 42:03 So we'll play about four minutes of that. 42:04 Praise the Lord. Let's take a look. 42:14 The church was in darkness. 42:19 The Book of Truth had been eclipsed by tradition. 42:23 It was a time when holding a Bible meant torture, 42:26 imprisonment, or even death. 42:29 Church leaders became only source of authority 42:32 in spiritual matters, 42:34 to seek pardon and forgiveness a person 42:37 have to confess his sins to the priest. 42:40 Church members sometimes have to pay large sums of money 42:43 to ensure that they 42:45 or a loved one to go straight to heaven at death. 42:48 Refusal to agree with church policy resulted 42:51 in being excommunicated. 42:54 According to church teaching, 42:56 heresy was grounds for consignment 42:58 to the flames of an everlasting burning hell. 43:02 Month after month, year after year, 43:04 and decade after decade passed, 43:07 the church remaining in its cold, 43:09 dark state until one man dare to take a stand. 43:17 In Luther's time, 43:18 a church official named Johann Tetzel, 43:21 began selling indulgences, 43:23 special certificates from the pope 43:25 that promised reduction of time in purgatory, 43:28 which was a place of torture 43:30 that prepared the cease Christians 43:31 to enter heaven. 43:34 Martin Luther rejected this notion 43:35 that people could buy their way into heaven 43:38 by paying certain sums of money. 43:40 In response to Tetzel's sale of indulgences, 43:44 Luther wrote a list of 95 debatable 43:46 these statements that outlined the areas 43:50 in which he disagreed with church teachings 43:52 and policy regarding salvation and forgiveness of sins. 43:56 Then on the eve of All Saints Day, 43:59 Martin Luther nailed these propositions 44:01 to the door of the All Saints Church 44:04 in Wittenberg, Germany. 44:06 These 95 theses were quickly translated 44:09 from Latin to German 44:11 and were distributed all throughout Germany. 44:15 News of Luther, his beliefs, and his writings soon reached 44:18 to the ears of leading church officials, 44:21 including the pope himself. 44:24 After three years of attempts to root out Luther's teachings 44:28 through intimidation, debate, and trial, 44:32 the pope issued a special order 44:34 or papal bull that threatened Luther 44:37 with excommunication 44:39 unless he recanted some of his teachings. 44:42 Luther responded to this act 44:44 with a public burning of the papal bull. 44:47 In January of the following year, 44:49 he was excommunicated from the church. 44:55 Martin Luther's influence led 44:57 to the beginning of the Protestant Reformation, 45:00 a movement that began 45:01 with the object of leading Christians 45:04 back to the truths of God's work, 45:06 which had been obscured in the tradition 45:08 from dogmas of the church throughout the dark ages. 45:12 Some prominent men in this movement 45:14 who became known as Reformers 45:16 were men such as Philip Melanchthon, 45:19 a colleague of Luther. 45:20 John Calvin reformed the doctrines held 45:22 by the Presbyterian Church, and John Knox among others. 45:28 Though these men differed somewhat 45:29 in the details of their belief systems, 45:32 they held two important truths in common, 45:35 the authority of the Scriptures and salvation 45:38 by faith in Jesus Christ. 45:42 These truths have been believed 45:43 and understood by men and women earlier on in the dark ages, 45:48 such as the Waldenses, 45:49 who practice their faith in the Alps. 45:52 And early reformer 45:53 such as John Wycliffe and John Huss. 45:56 In the early years of Protestantism, 45:59 Bible believing Christians often taste severe persecution 46:03 and in the worse cases, death. 46:07 They endured, they suffered, they gave their lives 46:10 because they would not recant their beliefs. 46:13 They dared to take a stand, 46:15 their foundation being the holy Word of God. 46:19 The Christian world is indebted to these faithful men and women 46:23 who stood in defense of truth. 46:28 Well done. 46:30 Good video work and good voiceover work. 46:34 It's collaborative effort. 46:36 Do you guys both do a little editing 46:37 and a little video work? 46:39 Yes. Okay, even the renaissance men. 46:41 He actually wrote 46:43 the musical score for the video, so. 46:45 Yeah, we used some location device 46:47 and exploited it, so we got it all the instruments 46:49 sounding together. 46:50 Yeah, he was doing more of the main video editing, 46:53 like the cutting, and the splicing, 46:55 and then he did the recording. 46:58 He recorded his voice for the video. 47:01 Excellent. Excellent. Well done. Very well done. 47:04 I saw in the pictures you had a chance to speak 47:07 at the General Conference. 47:09 Yes, the General Conference invited us. 47:10 How did you get that invitation? 47:12 Well, in September of 2015, 47:15 a software developer at the General Conference, 47:17 Brother Ean Nugent. 47:19 He visited our church and learned about our ministry 47:21 from the Penaranda family. 47:22 And he soon extended an invitation for Joshua, 47:27 the older son and me to speak for a morning devotional 47:31 at the General Conference headquarters. 47:32 Now, Joshua's is his older son. Yes. 47:34 His older son. Okay. 47:37 And so in November of 2015, 47:38 we actually went and gave the devotional. 47:41 And we actually had the opportunity afterwards 47:44 to meet several wonderful 47:45 and committed leaders of our church, 47:47 including the late Elder C.D. Brooks. 47:49 Yes, and we've been inspired 47:50 by his example of committed service to God. 47:54 But yes, God has been providing many wonderful opportunities, 47:56 including this opportunity at the General Conference. 47:59 Praise the Lord. 48:00 Now did we see the second picture, 48:01 I don't know, I was kind of focusing on you. 48:04 We do, we show them both. Yes and so. 48:07 Now, who's the young man in the glasses? 48:11 The young man in the glasses, that's Joshua. 48:13 Oh, that's, okay. He is a young fellow. 48:15 Yes. Yes. 48:16 We were, I think 14 and 13 at the time. 48:19 At the time. Wow, bless his heart. 48:21 Yeah. 48:23 Did you get a lot of good affirmation 48:24 from the brethren there? 48:25 Yes, we did. Yeah. 48:27 They love to encourage young preachers. 48:28 Yes. They really, really, really do. 48:32 The Reformation series is on YouTube right now, 48:36 something we can see now. 48:38 Not the Reformation series, but the Reformation video. 48:40 The Reformation video, okay. 48:42 So the Reformation series is something that's coming up? 48:44 No, we actually did 48:45 that at our church in November of 2017. 48:48 Oh, okay. All right. 48:49 You know, following the release of the video, 48:51 we began promoting this Reformation series 48:53 at our church. 48:55 Oh, I see. Okay. 48:56 And so, you know, we had visitors 48:58 who came and attended, and they expressed 49:00 that they were blessed by the series. 49:02 Praise the Lord. You did the preaching? 49:03 Yes. How long was the series? 49:05 It was a weekend, so it was Friday, Sabbath, 49:08 and Sunday evening. 49:11 Sometimes we joke around 49:13 or not really joke around but we... 49:15 I like the fact that we should have 49:17 done Sunday's meeting 49:18 on Sabbath morning when most people were there. 49:22 You just did nightly meetings for that time. 49:24 Well, we did Friday night, Sabbath morning, 49:27 and Sunday evening. 49:29 And Sunday evening. Okay, okay. 49:30 So, yeah, to accommodate schedules. 49:31 Praise the Lord. 49:33 And so we hope to do 49:34 more public evangelism in the future. 49:36 If invitations come, 49:39 are you able to get out and do some preaching around? 49:44 Well, depending on the invitations 49:46 we have to, you know, coordinate 49:48 with our schedule and say, 49:49 "Okay, you know, we had school this week." 49:51 But, you know, we're willing to go wherever God sends us. 49:56 Praise the Lord. 49:57 And so you can, for our viewers you can contact us 50:00 at our website ShiningLightMediaMinistry.org. 50:04 There is a contact page and you can... 50:07 If you want to invite us 50:08 to come to your church or events, 50:10 you can specify that in a special form 50:13 that we have included on our website. 50:14 Praise the Lord. 50:16 I'm glad you said, "We" because at this point 50:18 since you guys are still so young, 50:19 we means mom and dad or at least dad. 50:23 It is truly a "we" 50:25 because somebody's got to be the chauffeur. 50:27 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 50:28 Where are some of the places, I guess mostly 50:30 the north middle Atlantic States 50:32 is kind of pretty much where you've been, 50:35 you know, so far. 50:36 We still live in Georgia, 50:38 and so preach at several churches 50:39 in Georgia and Chattanooga, 50:41 did a week of prayer at a school in Georgia. 50:43 Oh, praise the Lord. 50:45 And then now that we moved to Virginia, 50:47 we get more invitations in Virginia, 50:49 Maryland sort of area. 50:51 One time I had the offer, 50:52 a few times I had the opportunity to preach 50:54 with my grandfather in Jamaica, 50:56 and so, those are wonderful experiences. 50:58 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 51:00 I am going to ask you in our time 51:02 that remains before we go to our newsbreak 51:04 and then we got a little close out time. 51:07 Samuel in particular, what is, and this is one of those kind 51:09 of high concept ontological questions 51:11 we have every now and again. 51:13 The intersection for both of you 51:15 since you play of performance and ministry, 51:19 is there room for performance in ministry? 51:22 Is there room for ministry in performance? 51:25 You know where I'm getting at. 51:26 Is that when you sit down to play, is that performance, 51:31 is it ministry, is it both, is it one or the other? 51:35 I would say it's ministry. It's ministry. 51:37 Yeah, because you see, 51:39 through the aid of piano teachers 51:42 and even our parents, God shows us which songs 51:46 we have to play for a different events 51:48 and then He kind of blesses us with the... 51:53 Skill The skill and then the mindset needed 51:56 for each particular event, you see. 52:00 You see for an appeal, 52:02 let's take for instance an appeal, 52:04 you wouldn't be playing like you 52:06 would be playing a majestic song 52:07 for special music. 52:08 So there are different mindsets you need to have and the Spirit 52:13 blesses you with all these 52:15 different mindsets and gives you 52:16 the right impressions that you need. 52:19 Well said. 52:20 So you need to really lock in with the Lord, 52:21 so that you can feel 52:23 what the Spirit is trying to tell you, 52:24 what is appropriate for that particular time 52:26 and that particular occasion. 52:29 Yes. Yeah. Praise the Lord. 52:31 We're going to go to our newsbreak, 52:33 and then we're going to come back 52:34 and sort of get a closing thought 52:35 from these two young men. 52:37 Stay with us, we'll be right back. |
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