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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello, friends, welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:11 My name is John Lomacang. 01:14 And I will be your host for the next hour. 01:16 And if you're tuning in, you know who I am, 01:18 but if you're tuning it for the first time, 01:21 then welcome to a wonderful network 01:23 that God has ordained 01:24 some 33 years ago 01:25 that's continuing to go and grow, 01:27 as we are getting ready for the coming 01:29 of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 01:31 Today is a very interesting program. 01:35 Now I am in some sense 01:37 a very amateur, amateur, amateur, 01:39 amateur, amateur astronomer, 01:41 meaning I just like to look up at the heavens. 01:43 I like to look at the stars 01:45 and sometimes I get my camera with a zoom lens on it 01:48 and look at things that happen at various times of the year. 01:51 And because we live in the country 01:53 where the heavens are very visible, 01:55 I am amazed by what God reveals 01:57 in the night sky. 01:59 But today, we don't have a novice with us. 02:02 We have Jim Burr, 02:03 the President of Heavens Declare. 02:06 And today, the topic is the flat earth conspiracy. 02:11 Now you might be amazed that people believe 02:13 that the earth is flat. 02:15 In the face of all the evidence that has been proven 02:18 for hundreds or thousands of years, 02:21 some people still believe that the earth is flat. 02:25 And you might consider 02:26 some of these people highly intellectual, 02:28 and they might consider themselves 02:30 highly intellectual. 02:31 Well, today, 02:32 we will take the time to look at the scriptural 02:35 and the scientific evidence 02:37 to determine and reaffirm the fact 02:40 that the earth is not flat, as many had supposed, 02:44 but that the earth is in fact a sphere, it is round. 02:48 But before we do that and before you meet our guest, 02:51 we're going to have some wonderful music. 02:53 A very anointed pianist 02:55 we have here by the name of Tim Parton, 02:57 he's going to play the song, 02:58 "Wonderful Grace of Jesus." 06:17 Thank you so much. 06:18 Now that's the way you begin a program. 06:21 Thank you, Tim Parton, for that enthusiastic rendition 06:24 that really gets our program going in the direction 06:26 that I'm excited about. 06:28 Now we have with us today Jim Burr, 06:30 the Founder of the Heavens Declare 06:33 and, you know, a lot of times 06:36 we talk about topics that deal with the earth. 06:38 Jim thinks outside of the circle, 06:43 outside of the box 06:44 because he has focused his mind, 06:46 as the Bible says, "Lift up your eyes." 06:48 And he has done that for many, many years. 06:50 Good to have you here, Jim. 06:51 Good to be here. Yes, yes. 06:53 I'm always excited when you're here 06:54 because you talk about those things 06:56 that take our minds to a different place. 06:58 Praise the Lord. 07:00 We rise above 07:01 the mundane happenings of nations, 07:03 and kings, and politics, and religion. 07:06 And we look at the heavens 07:08 and as the text 07:10 that fits your ministry wonderfully, 07:12 the heavens declare the glory of God. 07:14 That blows me away. 07:15 The more I learn about the universe and God, 07:18 and it just blows me away. 07:20 I've been lately getting into, probably five years, 07:23 studying DNA and just it's just amazing, 07:28 you know, we sequenced the human genome 07:32 and it took 200 laboratories, 07:35 it took, you know, perhaps about 8,000 supercomputers 07:40 to read the human genome, 07:41 and your cells can do it like 48 hours. 07:43 You know, that ovum, here you are conceived, 07:46 started out on a head of a pin, smaller than head of a pin, 07:48 23 from mom, 23 chromosomes from dad, 07:51 and that little cell can read that thing like in 48 hours 07:54 and it took us 13 years, thousands of computers, 07:57 and to read it and of course, we can't do anything with it, 08:00 we can't build a body, well, I mean, just amazing. 08:02 Whether I go to the microscope or the telescope, 08:04 it's just an incredible God we worship. 08:07 So thank you for your dedication 08:08 to some of the sciences, 08:10 with the context of Scripture based around that 08:13 to really come to the conclusion 08:14 that we are fearfully and wonderfully made. 08:16 We've been doing... And so was God's creation. 08:18 The last number of sermons, 08:20 we've been doing the science of the Bible, 08:22 the science of Spirit of Prophecy 08:23 and the Science of Salvation. 08:25 I mean, even the Science of Salvation we're told, 08:26 we're going to study that. 08:28 Can you say after 10,000 years, 08:29 we must not have the first clue about the Science of Salvation, 08:32 we must have so much to learn. 08:34 That's right. 08:35 Whether we're talking about microscope, telescope, 08:36 or the Science of Salvation, 08:38 so this is how we get 08:39 three different topics into a sermon. 08:40 It's called The Science of the Bible, 08:42 Science of Spirit of Prophecy and Science of Salvation. 08:44 So word science is not a bad word 08:46 when you use it correctly. 08:48 Right. 08:49 But there's a lot of... 08:50 just give us a little bit of background of your ministry, 08:52 kind of how, how long have you been around 08:53 because there are people watching 08:55 that don't even know who you are. 08:56 Well, we have a series right now 08:58 on Heavens Declare on 3ABN that runs three times a week. 09:02 For I guess 37 years, I have been studying astronomy, 09:05 building telescopes, and traveling all over, 09:10 you know, doing seminars on the Bible, 09:12 the Hubble, the Bible, The Big Bang. 09:14 And a lot of people think scientists, 09:16 you know, don't believe in the Bible. 09:19 But it's, you know, 09:23 I'm reading the Bible and I'm reading astronomy. 09:25 I go like, "Oh wow, okay." 09:27 Bible says that God said to Job, 09:28 "Can you guide our Arcturus and read astronomy?" 09:30 They say, "Arcturus is a runaway star," 09:32 you know, and so we put those things together, 09:34 where they used to think 09:36 the total number of stars in the universe were 6,000. 09:40 Jeremiah said like sands of the seashore. 09:43 And so you put that together and scientists today 09:45 are quoting Jeremiah, 3,000 years later saying, 09:47 that we believe 09:49 if you took all the sands and all the beaches 09:52 roughly equivalent to the stars in the known universe, 09:54 so we've been putting the Bible together 09:55 with astronomy for the past 37 years, 09:58 you know, and traveling. 10:00 We just got back from Russia, 10:02 where I spoke at the Eurasian ASI Convention, 10:06 and now that's being broadcast at 3ABN, 10:08 they told me, recorded that 10:10 and it's going 90 cable companies, 10:12 many television... 10:13 They said there are 300 million Russians 10:16 that can tune in to 3ABN now in the former Soviet Union. 10:20 That's amazing. It is amazing, yeah. 10:22 And your concentration on creation 10:24 has been the reason 10:26 why many people have found courage 10:27 and the belief in God's Word 10:29 because, you know, creation is a lot more complex 10:31 and you're discovering that. 10:33 It's a lot more complex than we can come to conclusions 10:36 from earth and from our sphere of limited understanding. 10:39 On the other side of that, there's enough evidence 10:41 God has made available to us to conclude 10:44 some very factual things. 10:46 And we're going to talk about some of those things today. 10:49 But this idea, 10:52 let's go ahead in advance the thesis of the program today 10:56 because right now there are many challenges, 10:58 and as you know, I'm a pastor, 11:00 and we've dealt with a lot of controversial issues. 11:03 And by the way, 11:05 the purpose of this program is not to settle issues 11:07 of a controversy 11:08 but to revisit some of the evidences 11:10 that we have 11:11 that if listened to and followed carefully. 11:14 Let me give you an example. 11:16 Some people might say 11:17 well the commandments of God were nailed to the cross 11:19 and they believed the Bible. 11:20 Well, you know, 11:21 if there is no law, there is no sin. 11:23 And there is sin, so there must be a law. 11:25 So the Bible declares that. 11:27 So we go to the Bible, 11:28 allow the Bible to be our foundation. 11:30 And in the very same way, 11:31 astronomically and scientifically, 11:34 you, as you said, you look at Job. 11:37 What was the name of the... What was the name of the star, 11:38 Arcturus you said? 11:40 Arcturus, yeah. Yeah. 11:41 How God... 11:42 Can you guide Arcturus... 11:44 And then science talks about this very same star Arcturus, 11:46 showing that the Bible had recognized it 11:49 before we have, 11:51 showing the valid points of the recognition of that. 11:54 But today, we're going to be talking about the flat earth. 11:57 Just build the foundation to help our listeners, 12:00 viewers understand this theory. 12:02 Well, you know, the idea of flat earth 12:05 all of a sudden is going crazy on the Internet. 12:08 When I was in Russia, 12:09 a pastor came and it's affecting 12:10 our Christian, our people. 12:13 somebody says, 12:14 "Would you preach in my church this month 12:16 and, you know, talk about flat earth in the sermon? 12:20 Can you work that in your sermon?" 12:22 I was in Russian, a pastor said to me 12:24 that we have a church next down the road, 12:26 an Adventist Church, 12:27 who believes in the health message, 12:29 believes in Ellen White, 12:30 and they're caught up, this church 12:32 congregation is caught up in flat earth 12:34 and he said there are people 12:35 in that congregation won't speak to the pastor 12:38 because the pastor doesn't accept 12:40 the flat earth theory. 12:42 And, you know, this was interesting, 12:44 this was proven 200 years before Christ. 12:48 There was a guy Eratosthenes that measured the shadow. 12:53 He knew that, he was told that on summer solstice that, 12:56 at noon the sun went into well in Anwar, 13:00 which was actually Serene and... 13:02 different name at the time, but now it's Anwar. 13:04 He was in Alexandria, 13:06 great distance away 13:07 and he put a flagpole up and measured the shadow. 13:09 Now if the earth is flat the sun rays, 13:12 you know, you wouldn't have the shadow 13:13 'cause they say the earth... 13:15 The sun is really close to the earth, 13:16 it's not really that far away. 13:18 But he actually measured the... 13:22 He's within 15% of the diameter of the earth, 13:24 250 years before Jesus was born. 13:27 He established that and Aristotle, many of these, 13:31 you know, famous scientists had accepted that. 13:34 And what is really interesting side issue, 13:38 how do you measure, you didn't have miles 13:39 they stride over, where it was the unit of measure, 13:42 but he can... 13:43 and I'm told this maybe legend but he calculated 13:46 the distance between those two cities 13:48 based on how far camel caravans 13:50 could travel in a day and how long camel caravans 13:53 will take them to get to Alexandria. 13:55 And by those dimensions, he was within 15%. 13:58 Now I can't tell you for sure 14:00 if that's true but that's what's being said. 14:02 And so it was established, 14:05 you know, way back before Jesus. 14:08 And if you fly in a straight line, 14:10 you know, if you fly in a straight line 14:11 you're going to end up where you started. 14:13 You fly even more than I do and, you know, I left Moscow. 14:17 When I flew to Moscow in November, 14:19 and the sun was only up, it was gone, 14:22 I mean, the sun was gone in just a few hours it set. 14:25 Coming back from Moscow was 27 hours, 14:28 I had sun almost the whole way 14:30 because we're going with the rotation of the earth, 14:33 you know, as opposed to going 14:34 against the rotation of the earth 14:35 and so I don't understand 14:38 why people are so caught up in this. 14:41 But, you know, they have come up 14:43 with 75 scriptures that prove the earth is flat. 14:47 Well, that they say. They say the earth is flat. 14:50 And that everything is a conspiracy. 14:52 NASA's a conspiracy, the ISS, 14:54 International Space Station is conspiracy. 14:56 We didn't go to the moon, 14:57 that was a conspiracy, you know... 14:59 We have no satellites. There're no satellites. 15:01 The GPS are done by towers on the earth 15:04 and all of these things. 15:08 I mean, I've seen 15:09 the International Space Station go over. 15:11 I saw it with the shuttle separating. 15:14 We watched it go across the sky 15:16 and the two brightest things in the sky, 15:18 brighter than Venus, going across the sky. 15:20 You can go on the Internet and... 15:23 On the day of the eclipse, 15:26 the International Space Station was photographed 15:29 going across the sun. 15:30 In fact, we have a picture coming up in a little while. 15:33 And so we have all this evidence 15:35 but people are so convinced that, 15:39 you know, that they'll say, "Well, when Jesus comes, 15:41 the Bible says, every eye will see Him. 15:43 Now how does every eye see Him if He's on a globe, 15:45 you know, but if it's flat, 15:46 of course and every eye could see Him." 15:49 They would tell you... 15:52 And if a ship goes down to sea, 15:56 you know, it'll disappear and they say, 15:58 "Well, if you had a microscope... 16:02 If you had telescope, they don't disappear, 16:04 you could watch these ships go." 16:06 And these... 16:08 So they're saying in essence to visit 16:09 that they're saying in essence, 16:11 we say the reason why the ship disappears 16:12 is because it goes over the horizon. 16:14 And the curvature of the earth 16:16 is what causes it to naturally disappear. 16:18 But they're saying, 16:19 "Well, if you had a strong enough telescope 16:21 you could still see it. 16:23 It's just that your eye has limited visibility." 16:25 Yeah, and the fog and stuff like that 16:26 and the mist and so forth. 16:28 And the Statue of Liberty, one of these websites goes 16:30 through all of these lighthouses and shows 16:34 the Haifa lighthouse and how far you can see them, 16:36 but the Statue of Liberty is about 360-some feet tall. 16:40 They claim, I haven't checked this out, 16:41 but they claim it could be seen by 60 miles away. 16:44 And then this one website, 16:46 he says, "If, at 60 miles 16:49 you would have 2,700 feet 16:51 of earth curvature blocking the Statue of Liberty 16:54 if it was round." 16:56 Well, he is so wrong, 16:57 when a ship, a boat goes across a lake at, at one mile, 17:03 you lose six inches or seven inches. 17:05 Seven inches the first mile, 17:06 fourteen inches after two miles, 17:08 and calculating by what we know from science, 17:12 the Statue of Liberty 17:13 instead of being 2,700... 17:16 70-some feet below the surface is actually about 34 feet. 17:21 So when you go 60 miles, 17:24 you've only missed the bottom 64 feet, 17:25 you still see the Statue of Liberty. 17:27 Right. It's clear. 17:29 But, but these are the theories 17:30 that are often advanced and people 17:32 that are holding on to these ideologies, 17:35 if you look at what the theme is, 17:38 and you talked about the theories 17:40 that have existed before, 17:41 you know, we have the Theory of Evolution 17:43 and people still believe 17:44 that today there's an entire movement. 17:46 You have atheists, you know, of all these theories 17:48 that are existing in the world today 17:50 and somebody always grabs on to those 17:52 and try to legitimize them. 17:54 But this idea that the earth is flat, 17:56 now as you mentioned I travel, you travel, going to Australia, 18:01 we crossed the international dateline. 18:04 And if depending on how long, depending on when you travel, 18:07 you could follow, you could have the sun 18:09 because the earth is moving in one direction, 18:12 the plane is moving in the other 18:13 and we go from day to night today, 18:16 we lose a day, 18:18 then you come back and you gain that day. 18:19 How could that be possible if the earth were flat? 18:23 With a facet of jet, the sun would never set. 18:27 You know, that I mean... 18:30 Some of our military jets could do that 18:31 they normally would fly at what, 500-600 miles an hour, 18:34 so you can't quite keep up with the sun, 18:37 but instead of the sun setting it a few hours, 18:40 it can be up for 24 hours... 18:41 That's right. If you're flying that way. 18:43 But those are very fast jets. 18:44 And the other thing, and this is another thing, 18:46 I want to just kind of throw in some questions. 18:48 Some, I say layman questions. 18:51 If the earth is flat, 18:52 why when the sun sets in Illinois 18:56 is it still up in California? 18:58 Do we not see it? 18:59 There's this guy building a rocket ship, 19:01 he's going to go up and prove in this rocket 19:02 that the earth is flat. 19:05 And I said, "Just buy an airline ticket." 19:06 I was in Minneapolis a few weeks ago 19:08 and the sun had set. 19:09 Okay, it was at 4:20 in the afternoon 19:11 the sun went down, 19:13 we got in the jet, we took off, 19:14 and all the sudden the sun rose. 19:16 And we got higher and the sun rose. 19:17 You can go out tonight and prove that... 19:20 If you just go out, wait for sunset, 19:22 go outside and take a look. 19:23 Okay, the high clouds are still hit by the sun, 19:25 the lower clouds started getting black. 19:27 A jet going over will be boiling the contra, 19:29 just be boiling even though your sun is set. 19:32 And then we have a tower in Kuwait 2,700-foot tall. 19:37 The sun sets at the bottom 19:39 but it's still seeing at the top 19:40 for two and a half minutes. 19:41 I mean, there's so much evidence out there 19:44 I don't understand why people could get caught up 19:46 in this concept. 19:48 But they're powerful they, say well, 19:51 you know when Jesus comes every eye will see Him. 19:54 How do you see that, 19:55 you know, they say, the Bible says, 19:58 "Son, stand out still." 20:00 They say the earth is supported on the... 20:04 Well, "Earth is my footstool," in one scripture, 20:05 another scripture says 20:07 the earth is supported by pillars, 20:08 and you can't support around earth with pillars 20:10 but a flat earth you could. 20:12 I mean, there's a lot of scriptures 20:17 are using there to try to convince people 20:20 that, you know, that the earth therein... 20:23 And Daniel 4, the tree grew, talking about Nebuchadnezzar... 20:26 What verse? 20:28 4:11. Okay. 20:29 "The tree grew and was strong 20:30 and the height they have reached into heaven 20:32 and the sight thereof to the ends of all the earth." 20:36 And so they're going, 20:37 if earth is round, how could that be true? 20:39 Well, it's figurative, I mean, you're the theologian, 20:42 you know, I was talking about Nebuchadnezzar. 20:44 In reality, 20:46 if they were looking at that legitimately, 20:47 no tree could extend... 20:49 Yeah, right. 20:50 Its roots to the ends of the Earth. 20:51 End of the height of heaven too, you know. 20:54 There's another one they used, Ecclesiastes 1:5, 20:56 "The sun rises and the sun sets, 20:58 and hurries back to where it rises again." 21:00 So what they're saying, 21:02 the sun just raises back to start all over the earth. 21:03 Yeah, the sun is moving that the earth, you know. 21:06 Which is a ridiculous supposition 21:08 because the reality of it is... 21:09 And as I look at some of these things, 21:11 some of the facts that they do accept, 21:13 and when I say they, 21:15 those who advanced this theory that the earth is flat, 21:17 they accept the fact that the moon is round 21:19 because you can see it. 21:21 So here's the question. 21:23 Is the moon rotating around the flat earth? 21:27 And if the moon is rotating around a flat earth, 21:30 then the moon is constantly visible 21:33 from one location. 21:36 And so if the moon is rotating and the earth is flat, 21:39 so the moon and the sun are coexisting 21:42 at the very same time at the very same location. 21:44 So which is fighting which? 21:46 And how are they casting shadows? 21:49 You know, my concern is that 21:51 people are getting this from the Internet, 21:53 they're getting this from YouTube 21:55 and everything is a conspiracy, okay? 22:00 I mean, we went to the moon. 22:03 Yes, there's third... 22:04 If you look up third party evidence, 22:06 who went to the moon, 22:07 the Japanese photograph the rockets, the New Zealand, 22:11 we have several big, 22:14 you know, it was on television 22:16 but several of the big satellite dishes 22:17 recorded the fact we went to the moon. 22:19 So the evidence there is... 22:21 But the thing is everything is a conspiracy. 22:24 My conspiracy... 22:25 Is there a conspiracy coming to this planet, 22:28 the ultimate conspiracy. 22:30 And when Satan and his angels deceive 22:33 if possible the very elect, 22:35 and I'm afraid 22:36 that the people get their information 22:38 and believe what they read on YouTube and the Internet, 22:41 when the cry goes out, 22:43 Christ has come, Christ has come, 22:45 like it says in Great Controversy 6:24, 22:48 Christ has come, Christ has come. 22:49 Look He's on You Tube, 22:50 He's on Facebook, you know, these people... 22:52 What does the Bible say? 22:53 Don't go, don't go, don't watch, 22:55 and that's my concern. 22:56 And Matthew 24 says, 22:58 "If they say Christ is here or there, do not believe it." 23:01 Because, "As a sun, as a lightning shines 23:03 from the east to the west, 23:05 so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." 23:06 These... 23:07 Yeah, go ahead. 23:09 So let's go ahead and ask another question. 23:11 How could we have a north pole and a south pole? 23:16 Wouldn't that... 23:17 The word pole, isn't that polarization? 23:20 Well, they say the earth is flat 23:23 and what prevents the water from going off? 23:26 Well, it has the Arctic and Antarctic, 23:28 you have all this 150-foot of ice, 23:32 that are keeping the water in so I guess... 23:35 So that's lip of the earth? It's the lip of the earth. 23:37 I guess if we had global warming, 23:39 the ice would melt 23:40 and the water will all fall off, right? 23:42 We would have no oceans. 23:43 And they say 23:44 the sun goes around like this, okay? 23:46 Sun's going around like this shining straight down. 23:49 And of course, 23:50 what keeps the sun from flying off in space 23:52 is something got to hold it, hold it in orbit. 23:56 And what's interesting, the sun is, 23:59 you know, this is a spotlight, 24:00 okay, but you can see the sun all the time. 24:04 You never have night 24:05 if the sun was going around that way 24:07 because it's a ball, 24:08 it's radiating in every direction 24:10 and it's not like a spotlight, you know. 24:12 So the sun really wouldn't set? 24:15 No, I would never say, 24:16 you'd all be able to see it all the time. 24:17 All the time? Yeah. 24:19 So the point of the matter is, 24:20 and here are some of the other theories 24:21 that they don't really think through carefully. 24:24 Why does the sun stay up longer at certain parts of the earth 24:28 and shorter at the other, 24:31 and how can we have an equator if the earth is flat? 24:36 No, we don't 24:37 and, I mean, like you mentioned 24:39 like the north pole and the south pole, 24:40 there are times when the sun, we have the midnight. 24:42 Sun shines all the time and then we have time 24:44 when there's no sun for long, 24:46 you know, for weeks, and weeks and weeks. 24:49 And so but they say, well, it's really, 24:50 the sun is really close to the earth. 24:52 It's not really, 93 million miles away. 24:54 They've got an explanation. 24:55 I think my point is when people come up to you, 24:58 Christian people come to you and say, 25:00 try to talk about flat earth. 25:03 You know, Ellen White says, 25:04 "The flat earth round worth never saved a soul." 25:06 Let's go to that... 25:07 If they have that graphic back there. 25:10 And it's in a Manuscript, 25:11 she says, "Whether the world is round 25:13 or flat will not save one soul. 25:17 But whether men believe 25:18 and obey them means everything. 25:21 We must," in another place she says, 25:23 "We must turn away from a thousand topics 25:25 that invite attention. 25:27 There are matters 25:28 that consume time and arouse inquiry, 25:31 but the end is nothing. 25:33 We need to feel our responsibility 25:35 to give our souls food 25:36 that will nourish spirit, 25:39 stimulate and stimulate spiritual life." 25:41 And while we're on that, let's do the next graphic. 25:43 Here's an actual photograph 25:45 of the International Space Station 25:47 going across the Sun. 25:49 Now this was taken on August, this year, when we had... 25:54 The eclipse. 25:55 Great eclipse. 25:56 And it turned out to be and I believe 25:58 this was taken from St Louis, Missouri. 26:00 And the International Space Station 26:01 went right across the sun 26:03 just as the moon was eclipsing the sun. 26:04 So there's no International Space Station. 26:07 Well, there you have it, you can see it. 26:10 But here's the other thing, the sun is round, 26:12 the moon is round, but the earth is flat. 26:16 What would account for the inconsistency? 26:20 Yeah, I don't know 26:21 if they have an explanation for that. 26:23 I'm not here to defend them. 26:24 Right, but these are the points we're bringing out is, 26:27 in the face of the obvious evidence, 26:30 you know, the north pole you know places 26:32 where the sun is up for six months or four months, 26:34 then you have other places 26:36 where the sun is not seen for durations of time. 26:38 And at that very same place, why? 26:40 Because of the fact that the earth is spherical, 26:43 if rather than just round, it's just spherical. 26:45 Yeah, yeah. 26:47 And so it has its exposures at different times. 26:50 I think one more point, the picture we just saw 26:52 of the International Space Station 26:54 going across the sun, 26:55 that's taken by amateur astronomers. 26:57 Right. That's an amateur astronomer. 26:58 That's not NASA, NASA is, 27:00 you know, and we might go back to Eratosthenes, 27:04 250 years before Jesus, was He part of NASA? 27:07 Was He part of the conspiracy? 27:10 The conspiracy is in our time, right? 27:12 And so you see this conspiracy theory. 27:16 But once again, 27:17 my concern is people will be vulnerable, 27:19 people get caught up in this stuff. 27:22 I've been speaking to the churches, 27:23 a little church in Golden Colorado 27:25 been back many, many times and spoke there. 27:27 And the secretary has been emailing me 27:29 and we've been going back and forth, 27:30 now emailing at least a dozen times. 27:33 And she's saying, 27:34 "What do you think about Nibiru." 27:36 This planet that's supposed, Internet thing... 27:39 This planet is coming our way, 27:40 it's going to shift the earth and going to cause problems. 27:43 And do you believe in the rapture, 27:45 and I sent her videos on the rapture 27:46 and then coming up she said, 27:49 "What about Revelation 12:1 and September 23rd 27:54 because she says on September 23rd, 27:56 that scripture is fulfilled that's going to be 27:59 the tribulation or the rapture. 28:03 This year, it's last year 2017 September 23rd 28:07 because there was a wonder in heaven. 28:09 A woman clothed with the sun and the moon 28:11 under her feet and 12 stars in her crown. 28:14 And so it turns out to be on September 27, 28... 28:18 excuse me 23, the sun is in the woman, 28:21 the constellation of Virgo, okay? 28:23 The woman, the sun is there, 28:24 the moon is there under her feet, 28:26 and there are 12 stars in her crown. 28:27 Well, it turns out to be 28:29 the stars are a couple of planets 28:30 that make up the 12 stars. 28:32 And she's convinced 28:33 that this is going to be the tribulation 28:36 or it's going to be the rapture. 28:39 She's been talking about this for a couple years 28:41 and emailing me. 28:42 And it turned out to be neither. 28:44 Neither. Right. 28:46 But the point that you're making here 28:48 is theory after theory is designed by someone, 28:52 someone comes up with another distraction 28:56 from the reality of what really we need 28:58 to be focusing on. 28:59 And we saw Y2K 29:00 was the end of the world, right? 29:02 We had planet alignments in 1984, 29:04 all the planets are... 29:05 We go through these things all the time. 29:07 But this lady is caught up in this to the point 29:09 that she's preaching about this planet Nibiru 29:13 and this September 23rd and nothing happens 29:16 because they're caught up in this... 29:18 Fanciful theory. 29:19 And yeah, you know, I sold the building. 29:24 Well, I'm getting ready to retire here. 29:26 But the people in the next office 29:27 came down and... 29:29 before the eclipse, and the manager said to me, 29:32 I got six people in my office. 29:33 They all got questions about the eclipse, 29:35 "Would you come down 29:36 and talk to us about the eclipse," 29:38 so I go down talked to them about the eclipse. 29:39 And he says then, after that, he says, 29:43 "Isn't something happening next month?" 29:44 I said as a matter of fact, it's 23rd of September, 29:47 is this Revelation 12, People think it's a rapture, 29:50 it's the end of the tribulation, whatever. 29:52 And he says, 29:53 "Man, I love this stuff," and I said, 29:55 "They're exactly right, the sun isn't Virgo the woman, 29:58 and the moon, and the stars and I said, 29:59 "But nobody's going to able to see it. 30:02 Nobody on earth is going to able to see it," 30:03 because the sun is in the daytime, 30:05 the sun is in the constellation, 30:06 it's going to block out all the stars, 30:08 it's going to block out the moon, 30:09 even when the sun and the moon are together, 30:11 we can't see the moon, 30:13 you know, all you can see is the sun, 30:14 won't be able to see the star. 30:16 No, it's... 30:17 But nobody is exactly right, 30:19 but nobody's going to be able to see it. 30:21 But I said, 30:22 "There is a prophecy in Daniel 2." 30:23 And as I started telling about Daniel 2 30:26 and the documentary we have on Hitler, 30:28 and he says, "I said I got a video on this." 30:31 And he goes like, "Wow, I love this stuff. 30:33 Insomnia, I'll be watching this." 30:34 I went down in my office and brought back seven DVDs 30:38 and gave them on the documentary 30:40 that they do with Hassell and Hitler and... 30:44 one for the manager because it was six people, 30:45 and one in the office, 30:47 but the point was that people get caught up 30:49 in this stuff that goes around the Internet. 30:51 We've got these Planet X, it's coming our way, 30:53 it's going to shift the earth. 30:55 All this stuff on the Internet and there's nothing to it now. 30:59 You know, we can get hit by an asteroid there are, 31:03 you know, events happening that we see, 31:07 you know, we look at the hurricanes, 31:09 we look at the earthquakes, 31:11 and we look at the shooting in Vegas, 31:13 and we look at the fireballs 31:15 that apparently see Wohlberg shows destroyed 31:18 or started the fires in Santa Rosa. 31:20 If you look up, 31:21 Steve Wohlberg did a documentary on that. 31:23 It sure looks like fireballs came down and broke, 31:25 lots of stuff going on 31:27 but to get caught up and things that, 31:30 I mean, it's so easy to find the truth about a flat earth, 31:34 you know, I don't understand 31:35 how they can get caught up 31:37 because the information is there. 31:38 Well, you know, the Bible makes a good point 31:40 and from a theological perspective, 31:41 you know, Romans 1:20-22 says, 31:44 "For since the creation of the world, 31:47 his invisible attributes are clearly seen, 31:50 you know, being understood by the things that are made, 31:52 even His eternal power and Godhead 31:54 so that they are without excuse." 31:56 And so if you look at the evidence, 32:00 you don't really need to look any further. 32:02 Have you just said, 32:03 and you talked about going up in a tall building. 32:05 You know, today with a simple drone, 32:08 a simple consumer drone stand outside at sunset. 32:13 And just send that drone up, and if you look at the drone, 32:15 it's going to be brighter 32:16 the sun is still going to be on it, why? 32:19 Because the earth is spherical, 32:20 the higher up you send and just take pictures of it. 32:22 I have a drone, matter of fact, 32:25 if I had known, I was going to be hosting you, 32:27 I would've done that just for the benefit of those 32:29 who might be advancing this theory. 32:31 To send my drone up and slowly bring it down 32:33 and you'll see the sun starting to disappear. 32:35 We're sending from the ground up 32:37 where the sun is already set, you keep going up. 32:38 Look at that illustration. 32:40 Because if, you know, 32:42 if you're here the, and the sun sets, 32:44 okay, the earth spins this way, 32:46 so the sun is setting 32:47 and you see the shadow of the earth was still, 32:49 the sun will still be hitting the planes in the sky 32:51 and the clouds in the sky. 32:52 But it's that where you are, you know, so... 32:56 And the other thing let me add to this too. 32:58 You've really excited me today, I just want you to know that. 33:01 But on the Internet you're able to... 33:04 there is a website and I have it a link to that. 33:06 If you want to do this for your own benefit, 33:08 you can go where they have international CCD cameras 33:13 that you could look at Australia, 33:16 Moscow, New Guinea, various parts of the world, 33:19 and see what's happening there at the very same time 33:21 and follow the time on the clocks. 33:23 For example, we might say well what was the time is here 33:26 and then we'll look at that very same, 33:28 you know, two hours later, four hours later, 33:29 six hours later, ten hours later 33:30 so on and so forth. 33:32 And you'll see while it's night here, 33:35 this could eliminate the theory immediately. 33:37 While it's night in Illinois, like 9 o'clock at night, 33:41 its daytime someplace else, 33:43 you know, and you look at the time. 33:45 How long is the sun going to be staying up there? 33:47 These a simple methods 33:48 in which you could completely obliterate the idea 33:50 that the earth is flat. 33:52 But once again, 33:53 I think of people in the church. 33:54 Christian people want to talk about flatter, 33:57 they want to bring this all in. 33:58 There's all kinds of distractions, 34:00 whether it's, 34:01 you know, the nature of the Trinity, 34:03 or whether it's the nature of Christ 34:04 or whether it's you got to keep the feast 34:06 and all this kind of thing. 34:07 I think it's best if you're joining us late, 34:09 we're talking about flat earth, and I don't think 34:11 we should be trying to debate them 34:13 on this subject. 34:15 Because they're going to give you 75 scriptures 34:17 that they think show the earth is flat. 34:19 And a lot of them are misinterpretation, 34:21 some is just wrong. 34:22 But there's a statement here from 20... 34:26 from a Manuscript 4:13. 34:27 It says, any kind of theory or hobby 34:30 that Satan can lead 34:32 the minds of the men to dwell upon, 34:34 he will draw their attention to, 34:36 so that they shall not engage 34:38 in giving this solemn message for this time. 34:41 Do not my brother 34:43 become entangled with the ideas 34:45 that have no connection with the work for this time. 34:48 It is better to pray and humble our soul 34:50 before God 34:51 and let the world be round or flat. 34:54 Be just as God has made it." 34:57 Okay, and that's the whole which, 35:01 which the point of the statement 35:02 is not to say, well, it's one or the other. 35:04 But whatever it is, it really doesn't matter. 35:07 That's what the whole point... 35:08 Not part of our salvation. Not part of our salvation. 35:10 And as she said, 35:11 no soul has ever been saved 35:12 by flat earth or the round earth, 35:14 that's not going to save us. 35:15 We got... 35:16 I mean, Jesus is coming soon, we see the evidence, 35:18 you know, and it's just so amazing that... 35:23 So easy that people get caught up in things 35:25 that have nothing to do with it with the end of time. 35:28 But what is also setting people up to do 35:31 because if you accept, if you accept deception 35:35 in the face of overwhelming evidence... 35:38 Then you are saying you are open to be deceived 35:41 in which, you pointed a moment ago, 35:43 when Jesus comes, 35:44 it'll be easy for Satan to deceive people 35:46 and for people to believe that that is in fact Christ. 35:49 But if we follow the scriptures, 35:51 you won't be deceived. 35:52 There's several other statements 35:54 that Ellen White talks about, 35:55 the great question 35:56 is not what shall I do to inherit eternal... 36:01 What I shall do to inherit eternal life. 36:03 There will be no agitation of the question 36:05 that whether the world is round or flat 36:07 but the whole burden of the soul 36:10 is what shall I do to inherit eternal life. 36:12 And she, here, in this statement, 36:14 she's talking about flat earth, 36:16 and she says, 36:17 "I want to tell you 36:19 that somebody will rush up to you every little while 36:21 with something new and strange, 36:24 as though this was to take the minds captive. 36:28 Tell them that we have the old, old story 36:31 of the cross of Christ." 36:32 They want to bring something new 36:34 and something new and strange 36:38 but we have the old, old story of life of Christ. 36:40 And when it comes to these little items 36:44 that they shall bring out, 36:46 we have a solid foundation for our feet. 36:48 It is the solid platform that we want. 36:52 I think that's what Jeremiah said, 36:54 "Ask for the old paths." 36:57 You know, ask for the old paths. 36:59 You've seen paths before. 37:01 You live up in the mountains, 37:02 where is it that you... 37:03 We live at Evergreen at, up of the... 37:05 We're 7,200 foot altitude. 37:08 Okay, so there are lots of paths out there, 37:09 we would even go and do some walking. 37:10 Yeah, oh, yeah. 37:12 And usually, you stay on the grooved paths. 37:14 You don't try to make your own. 37:15 But in fact, 37:16 what I'm talking about is the tried and true paths, 37:18 and there are many paths that are being created today 37:21 that are not tried and true, 37:22 that are not based on the evidences of Bible, 37:25 that are not based on the factual evidences 37:27 of science and astronomy. 37:29 And people will say, 37:31 "Well, I don't believe in science 37:32 nor astronomy." 37:34 Well, Jim, you know, 37:35 as a person studying for as long as you have 37:38 that if you choose to ignore the truth, 37:42 what are you left to accept? 37:44 Yeah. You accept a lie. 37:46 And that's what's happening today. 37:47 And many Christians, and here's the caution, 37:49 if you are a Christian 37:50 and you are getting drawn into this, 37:52 this is where the caution is 37:54 because people can come up with all kinds of theories. 37:57 Y2K is one you mentioned. 37:59 How much money was spent to prevent 38:01 the inevitable collapse of society and Y2K, 38:05 nobody really knows. 38:07 So what do you do with these things, 38:08 as an astronomer, 38:09 as a person that has studied the heavens for a long time, 38:12 how do you come to the conclusion 38:14 when they say, 38:15 "Jim, you've got to prove to me 38:17 that the earth is either round or flat." 38:19 What do you do? 38:21 Well, I think, if you fly in a straight line, 38:24 you're going to come back where you started from, 38:26 you know, I left Moscow flying to the west, 38:30 and I mean, you can look at the map, 38:32 Google as you go flying over 38:33 and see all these countries just as the globe says, 38:35 and you get to here, and then you get on the plane 38:38 and you start flying to Taiwan, Hawaii, 38:40 you know, you fly to Korea, and Japan, and Taiwan. 38:43 Then I'm right over here 38:44 and I look on United Airlines flight, 38:47 I got one more flight on back at Moscow arriving 38:49 from the East. 38:51 You know, I left Moscow flying to the west, right, 38:53 I go to Denver, I leave Denver, flying to the west 38:56 and you go to Hawaii, and Taipei, 38:58 and Tokyo, and Taiwan, and then, 39:00 if you look at it, 39:02 I didn't make that last little leg 39:03 but if I did, I can get on the flight, 39:04 I can see it's only, 39:06 you know, eight hours to get to Moscow, whatever. 39:08 And I'm going to arrive again from the East, 39:10 so I mean, we know the facts are there 39:13 and you saw the picture 39:14 of the International Space Station, 39:16 it's just amazing that people can deceive, 39:20 you know, is it some pride involved here? 39:21 I was on YouTube, 39:22 I had 18 million hits, or Facebook, or whatever. 39:28 These people certainly have got to know the earth is round. 39:31 These people that are on the Internet, 39:32 some with 10 million, some with 18 million, 39:34 they have got to know the earth is round. 39:36 But they are just, 39:38 I think, having fun to deceive they can... 39:40 how many people will watch their programs. 39:44 Well, you now, the part of the reason is, 39:46 and I want to boil it down to the simplicity, 39:48 the over simplicity of just wanting attention. 39:50 But some people... 39:52 you could look at something for so long 39:54 and deny what it is 39:55 that your mind begins to make it up 39:57 to be something else completely different. 39:59 And I think the part of the challenge here is that, 40:02 when you look at what is proven, 40:05 already proven, already factual, 40:07 and deny the very validity of it, 40:09 for example, let's go back to some of the things 40:10 you've mentioned. 40:12 Some people say, "Well, the earth is flat, 40:13 well, there's no such thing as gravity." 40:14 What do they do with gravity? 40:16 Well, gravity doesn't exist. 40:17 Yeah. 40:19 Well, you know, the moon is round, 40:20 the sun is round but the earth is flat. 40:23 The wall, and I like how you bring that up, 40:25 just in case, you just joined the program, 40:28 I'm not doing your program. 40:29 But some people say that there's Antarctica wall. 40:31 Yeah, it's... 40:33 That holds the water of the earth in? 40:35 Ice wall, 150 foot ice wall around, 40:38 that's what keeps the water in. 40:40 And the sun goes around like this, you know. 40:43 And so if the wall comes down, what happens to the water? 40:46 Well, then it's going to be the end of the earth, I guess. 40:48 We'd get drained. 40:50 Yeah, you are right. It falls of the edge. 40:53 I mean, that's an amazing... 40:56 I don't know what you call it, thesis or antithesis. 41:00 They come up with answers for everything, you know. 41:03 Yeah. 41:04 But if you like to... 41:07 And I think it'll be really good 41:09 to invite you to come and talk about 41:10 some of these things 41:12 because, Jim, when you think about it, 41:13 what is the real issue for this hour? 41:16 Jesus is coming. Jesus is coming. 41:18 The coming of Jesus. 41:20 You know, it's... 41:22 People are more interested now than I've ever seen before. 41:26 In the last day events, 41:29 you know, I walked into Greasemonkey, 41:31 and the guy says, 41:32 "Your car is serviced, ready to go, here's the key, 41:34 but I like your reading material." 41:35 I said to him, "Man, if you like that, 41:37 I've got a video to go along with that." 41:38 I went to my office and got him a video. 41:40 And every time I go, 41:41 I took him another video and finally, 41:43 he's got about 10 videos. 41:44 He says, "I watched everything you've given me," 41:45 he says, "There's nothing on television to watch. 41:47 But let me tell you, 41:48 you gave me a documentary on Hitler and Daniel 2. 41:51 I gave it to an atheist friend, 41:52 he has watched it over, and over, and over again." 41:55 I said, "Well, if that's the case, 41:57 I want to get you Pascal's Wager 41:58 by David Asscherick, and then What Wondrous Love," 42:00 he needs to follow that up. 42:02 And then I see him at Walmart, 42:03 he says, you know, I said, "You need more videos." 42:07 "I need five more Daniel 2 and Hitler," he said, 42:09 "I'm witnessing some of my employees." 42:11 And so if you go there now, you'll see our literature... 42:15 He says, "I'm starting a Bible study group 42:17 and I'm using your videos for Bible study." 42:19 You see... 42:22 The end is coming fast and in Matthew 24:14, 42:26 you know, it tells, 42:28 "The famines and pests and earthquake 42:29 but the end is not yet." 42:30 And then if you look at verse 14, 42:32 "The gospel will be preached and then the end will come." 42:35 And that is happening, like, 42:36 you can't believe because out of Guam, AWR, 42:42 they are getting five million Muslims a day 42:45 downloading our sermons, five million a day. 42:47 And out of China, 42:49 it's varying from 9 to 11 million a day. 42:51 And you look at what's happening 42:52 like the 3ABN in Russia. 42:54 So, you know, we see the gospel going, 42:58 like, crazy and, you know, Jesus said, 43:02 I mean, Ellen White said 43:04 when Jesus healed the 10 leapers, 43:06 only 1 came back. 43:07 And she says, "Don't be discouraged, 43:09 if you only get 1 in 10." 43:10 That's right. 43:12 But, you know, what I see happening, 43:13 we're getting a lot more right now 43:14 because people are interested in this kind of stuff. 43:18 We have a mailman, 43:20 a Catholic mailman and I'm sharing videos, 43:22 I have videos, I share almost 500-1,000 a year 43:26 with everybody, 43:27 I don't know how many watch, but at least we're sharing. 43:29 And I'm sharing some of this to the mailman 43:30 and he's a reformed Catholic, and he says, "Man, I like... 43:34 Could I pass out the ones you have on creation 43:36 on my mail route." 43:38 A Catholic man, and I called institute, ICR... 43:41 I said, "Can I make 50 of these?" 43:42 The Institute of Creation and Research. 43:44 Yeah, yeah. 43:45 And so he's passing on his route 43:46 and Lord only knows how many, I don't remember, it's been... 43:49 started 10 years ago. 43:50 They moved him East to town, and now he's out, 43:52 so he called me up and he said, 43:54 "I need more videos for my new route," 43:55 he says, "Can you give me any more videos?" 43:57 I sent him more videos. 43:58 Then I called him again, he's retired. 44:00 And he says, 44:01 "My whole retirement is ministry," 44:03 he's doing prison ministries, 44:04 he's doing a Bible study groups, 44:05 he's using our stuff in his Bible study groups 44:08 but it was kind of interesting 'cause I was telling him, 44:09 I said, you know, Matthew 24:14 says, 44:12 "The gospel is preached, then the end will come." 44:15 And he picked up on this Catholic command, 44:17 picked up on this Catholic command, 44:19 he's a reformed Catholic, 44:21 he says, 44:22 "That means we're so sick and tired of seeing 44:25 the persecution, the Christian persecution, 44:27 that's going on in the world, 44:28 that means if we get the gospel out, 44:30 we can help put an end to the persecution." 44:33 Exactly, exactly. 44:34 And, you know, just to, 44:36 put another pin in the tail of the donkey, 44:39 so to speak, 44:40 is that the gospel is covering the globe 44:44 from 3ABN through various satellites. 44:48 Yeah, right. Okay. 44:49 You'd be out of business. 44:51 We would be out of business, 44:52 if there was no such thing as a satellite, 44:53 those of you who believe in the flat earth. 44:55 If there was no such thing as a satellite... 44:57 You can't see us. 44:58 You wouldn't be able to see us in Russia. 45:00 You wouldn't be able to see us down in New Guinea. 45:02 You wouldn't be able to see us in southern parts of the... 45:04 because we have, I think, 9 or 11 satellites 45:06 from which 3ABN is bouncing around the world. 45:09 You know, so this whole ideology 45:12 and people that live out in the... 45:14 We know that here because we live in it, 45:16 we're in a very rural community. 45:18 And not like cities where they could run cabling 45:21 from neighborhood to neighborhood, 45:22 some people can't get Internet, but HughesNet, 45:25 which is a satellite Internet service allows people 45:28 that are in remote areas, on mountainsides, 45:30 mountaintops to get Internet 45:32 because they send up to a satellite 45:34 and it gets a little delay 45:35 because it has to go up and come back down. 45:36 Yeah, that's a proof... 45:38 That's a proof. 45:39 That the satellites are 23,000 miles 45:40 because you see it all the time, 45:42 you're talking to somebody, 45:43 and, you know, they're interviewing somebody 45:45 and they ask him a question and there's a pause. 45:46 Right. Right. 45:47 Timing. 45:49 'Cause he's got to hear it, and then he answers, 45:50 you know, so you see that pause 45:51 that's only because 45:53 it's 23,500 miles out the satellites are. 45:54 That's right. 45:56 And even if you do shortwave radio, 45:57 I have a guy that's in the Caribbean, 45:58 he's a shortwave radio enthusiast. 46:00 And he talks about how he communicates with people 46:02 around the world, he talks about 46:03 the waves bouncing off the ocean 46:05 and just surrounding the earth, 46:07 and they study these things because if the earth was flat, 46:11 you know, he said, "It couldn't happen." 46:12 So, you know, we know, God's Word is reliable. 46:16 So now, Jim, if you were saying to somebody, 46:18 well, flat around, we pointed out that, 46:21 it really didn't matter either way, 46:22 although we know and believe 46:23 and have evidence that the earth is round. 46:25 And all you got to do is just take a plane ride. 46:27 That's it. 46:29 Just take a plane ride, 46:30 save yourself all the hours of useless reading material, 46:33 just get a ticket, 46:34 take a plane ride, or if you want to 46:37 go to the tallest building in New York 46:40 or the tallest building in Los Angeles 46:42 just a little bit before sunset 46:44 and go up in the elevator as the sun is setting, 46:46 well, go to the Burj Khalifa down in Dubai, 46:49 and you begin to see 46:50 how the building is half sun and half darkness, half shade. 46:56 That's amazing things, 46:57 but to encourage our viewers and listeners, 47:00 let's direct them to the things that are very valuable, 47:03 what do we do. 47:05 No one was ever saved by a flat earth, round earth. 47:07 That's right. 47:09 You know, theology or preaching or trying to... 47:10 I mean, these distractions we see go around our churches. 47:15 People get on to their hobby horse 47:17 under soapbox and think, 47:19 "You need to do this or that, 47:21 you know, you need to be keeping the fees," 47:23 I mean, if they want to keep the fees, that's fine. 47:25 But I don't think they should disrupt the church 47:28 or talk about flat earth. 47:29 Let's talk about the end times, Jesus is coming soon, 47:33 let's try to direct whatever that conversation comes up, 47:36 whatever it is that, 47:38 you know, let's try to redirect that 47:40 to the soon coming of Jesus. 47:41 That's right. 47:43 And, you know, Jim, 47:45 one of the things that came to my mind, 47:46 and this is our... 47:50 this is our inflatable earth, 47:53 what I remember and this just came to my mind 47:56 whether it is inspirational or not, 47:58 I don't know, but I think it fits right here. 48:01 I've seen a person 48:03 take an expedition to the North Pole, 48:07 and right where that flag exists at the North Pole. 48:10 And what they did is they walked around in a circle 48:13 and they went from time zone, remember that? 48:16 Yeah, yeah. 48:18 You know, from time zone, right now they're at Greenwich, 48:20 they walked around that circle 48:23 and went from time zone to time zone. 48:24 Yeah, yeah. 48:25 Which as you go further out, they go farther apart 48:29 because the earth is spherical, it's amazing. 48:31 And also when we fly out of, 48:33 you know, I've been to Russia and Europe many times, 48:35 you fly out of Chicago, 48:37 you know, you go over the Arctic Circle 48:39 because it's shorter going this way 48:41 than going all the way around here... 48:42 They save fuel. They save fuel. 48:44 Yeah, you go through the Arctic circle 48:46 and you can look down, 48:47 I mean, on these international flights, 48:49 you get the Google thing 48:51 and you can see Greenland, 48:52 you can see Iceland, you can see all that stuff. 48:54 And you know, 48:55 you know, that we're going here to save time, 48:58 save fuel rather than going around that way. 49:00 And I've flown that route from Chicago to London. 49:04 And you see on the map, some of these nice new jets 49:07 they have the moving map where are we. 49:09 Yeah, yeah. 49:10 And you can see and that they're going up 49:12 and they're going over, 49:14 make the flight shorter 49:15 as compared to going to New York 49:17 or flying from Miami trying to go all way around, 49:19 that's a ton of fuel. 49:21 And they found ways, 49:22 creative ways to make that journey shorter 49:25 because the earth is round or spherical. 49:28 Yeah, yeah. 49:29 Now I want to be able to give the listeners and the viewers 49:32 some information to be able to get in touch with you 49:34 because we know 49:35 that you have an amazing ministry. 49:38 Talk about some of the other resources 49:39 you have before I give the information? 49:41 Well, you can go to YouTube 49:43 and watch our programs on YouTube, 49:45 if you put in YouTube 49:46 and put in Jim Burr Heavens Declare, 49:48 you can see, I don't know, 49:50 30, 40 programs they're on in Russian. 49:52 But they're hard to find on Russia 49:55 unless you speak Russian 49:56 and can type and what you need to type in to get there. 50:00 But we travel... 50:02 I speak about 100 times a year, we travel and do camp meetings, 50:06 we're still booked, 50:08 we have Carolina Conference booked 50:09 three years ahead for camp meeting. 50:10 I say that's a lot of things, 50:12 I don't know, if I'd live that long. 50:13 I'm 80 years, 80 trips around the sun already. 50:16 But I love sharing, 50:17 I just this weekend came from Melbourne, Florida. 50:20 I love traveling and witnessing for the Lord 50:24 and I always pray before I get on the plane. 50:26 Lord, if there's somebody who wants me to talk to... 50:27 I sat next to a doctor 50:29 from San Paulo going to Atlanta. 50:32 And I prayed and shared some stuff and she says, 50:36 "I think God wanted me 50:37 to sit next to you on the plane." 50:38 I've had people say this was a divine appointment, 50:40 you know, and so you look for those opportunities 50:44 that people that we interact with every day 50:45 but, yes, if we can come and speak 50:47 at your church, love to do that, 50:49 and I can't do this forever, you know, at my age, 50:51 but I am still able to do it. 50:53 And even come back from Russia, 27 hours, okay, no sleep. 50:57 I was home three days, 50:58 I'm off to Florida to do another seminar. 50:59 That's right. 51:01 That was a test to see how much energy I've got, 51:03 you know, and it worked. 51:04 You may have so many cycles around the earth. 51:07 That's another thing, 51:08 how do you calculate your age if the earth is flat. 51:12 All these very plausible and legitimate questions 51:15 that people don't ask. 51:16 But they just jump onboard with a theory. 51:18 Any time you come here, 51:20 you know, I look back at the programs 51:21 that you've done here before and on behalf of 3ABN, 51:23 I want to thank you for your dedication 51:26 to these great programs about the heavens. 51:28 You've done some about Orion, 51:30 I remember, one you did about Orion, 51:32 that's an amazing program, is that on the Internet? 51:34 Yeah, program twelve of Heavens Declare 51:37 you can find that one, and look at program seven, 51:39 that's the amazing one 51:40 where Hubble zooms in on all these stars, 51:41 that's an amazing... 51:43 Program seven is amazing video clip. 51:46 And Hubble is another way, you want to look at Hubble? 51:50 The evidences are there for... 51:51 I guess, you could see where we are somewhat convinced 51:54 that God has given us enough evidence, 51:56 science has, astronomy has, 51:58 NASA has, and we've come to the conclusion that yes, 52:01 the earth is, in fact, a sphere, 52:03 and you're living somewhere on it. 52:06 Wherever you're watching us from, 52:07 we thank you for all that you do for 3ABN. 52:10 We're going to take a short break, a news break. 52:12 And after the news break, we'll come back 52:14 with just a few closing thoughts, 52:16 so don't go away, we'll be right back. |
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