I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends,
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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And I will be your
host for the next hour.
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And if you're tuning
in, you know who I am,
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but if you're tuning
it for the first time,
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then welcome to
a wonderful network
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that God has ordained
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some 33 years ago
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that's
continuing to go and grow,
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as we are getting
ready for the coming
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of our Lord and
Savior Jesus Christ.
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Today is a very
interesting program.
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Now I am in some sense
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a very amateur,
amateur, amateur,
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amateur, amateur astronomer,
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meaning I just like to
look up at the heavens.
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I like to look at the stars
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and sometimes I get my
camera with a zoom lens on it
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and look at things that happen
at various times of the year.
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And because we
live in the country
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where the
heavens are very visible,
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I am amazed by what God reveals
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in the night sky.
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But today, we don't
have a novice with us.
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We have Jim Burr,
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the President
of Heavens Declare.
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And today, the topic is
the flat earth conspiracy.
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Now you might be
amazed that people believe
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that the earth is flat.
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In the face of all the
evidence that has been proven
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for hundreds or
thousands of years,
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some people still
believe that the earth is flat.
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And you might consider
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some of these
people highly intellectual,
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and they might
consider themselves
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highly intellectual.
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Well, today,
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we will take the time
to look at the scriptural
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and the scientific evidence
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to determine and
reaffirm the fact
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that the earth is not
flat, as many had supposed,
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but that the earth is in
fact a sphere, it is round.
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But before we do that and
before you meet our guest,
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we're going to have
some wonderful music.
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A very anointed pianist
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we have here by
the name of Tim Parton,
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he's going to play the song,
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"Wonderful Grace of Jesus."
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Thank you so much.
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Now that's the way
you begin a program.
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Thank you, Tim Parton, for
that enthusiastic rendition
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that really gets our
program going in the direction
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that I'm excited about.
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Now we have with
us today Jim Burr,
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the Founder of
the Heavens Declare
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and, you know, a lot of times
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we talk about topics
that deal with the earth.
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Jim thinks
outside of the circle,
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outside of the box
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because he has focused his mind,
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as the Bible says,
"Lift up your eyes."
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And he has done that
for many, many years.
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Good to have you here, Jim.
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Good to be here. Yes, yes.
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I'm always
excited when you're here
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because you talk
about those things
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that take our minds
to a different place.
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Praise the Lord.
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We rise above
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the mundane
happenings of nations,
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and kings, and
politics, and religion.
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And we look at the heavens
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and as the text
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that fits your
ministry wonderfully,
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the heavens
declare the glory of God.
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That blows me away.
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The more I learn
about the universe and God,
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and it just blows me away.
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I've been lately getting
into, probably five years,
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studying DNA and
just it's just amazing,
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you know, we
sequenced the human genome
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and it took 200 laboratories,
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it took, you know, perhaps
about 8,000 supercomputers
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to read the human genome,
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and your cells can
do it like 48 hours.
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You know, that ovum,
here you are conceived,
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started out on a head of a
pin, smaller than head of a pin,
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23 from mom, 23
chromosomes from dad,
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and that little cell can
read that thing like in 48 hours
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and it took us 13
years, thousands of computers,
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and to read it and of course,
we can't do anything with it,
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we can't build a body,
well, I mean, just amazing.
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Whether I go to the
microscope or the telescope,
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it's just an
incredible God we worship.
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So thank you for your dedication
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to some of the sciences,
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with the context of
Scripture based around that
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to really come to the conclusion
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that we are
fearfully and wonderfully made.
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We've been doing...
And so was God's creation.
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The last number of sermons,
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we've been doing the
science of the Bible,
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the science of
Spirit of Prophecy
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and the Science of Salvation.
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I mean, even the
Science of Salvation we're told,
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we're going to study that.
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Can you say after 10,000 years,
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we must not have the first clue
about the Science of Salvation,
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we must have so much to learn.
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That's right.
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Whether we're talking
about microscope, telescope,
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or the Science of Salvation,
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so this is how we get
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three different
topics into a sermon.
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It's called The
Science of the Bible,
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Science of Spirit of Prophecy
and Science of Salvation.
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So word science
is not a bad word
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when you use it correctly.
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Right.
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But there's a lot of...
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just give us a little bit
of background of your ministry,
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kind of how, how
long have you been around
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because there
are people watching
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that don't even
know who you are.
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Well, we have a series right now
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on Heavens Declare on 3ABN
that runs three times a week.
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For I guess 37 years, I
have been studying astronomy,
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building telescopes,
and traveling all over,
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you know, doing
seminars on the Bible,
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the Hubble, the
Bible, The Big Bang.
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And a lot of
people think scientists,
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you know, don't
believe in the Bible.
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But it's, you know,
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I'm reading the Bible
and I'm reading astronomy.
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I go like, "Oh wow, okay."
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Bible says that God said to Job,
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"Can you guide our
Arcturus and read astronomy?"
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They say,
"Arcturus is a runaway star,"
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you know, and so we
put those things together,
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where they used to think
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the total number of stars
in the universe were 6,000.
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Jeremiah said like
sands of the seashore.
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And so you put that
together and scientists today
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are quoting Jeremiah,
3,000 years later saying,
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that we believe
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if you took all the
sands and all the beaches
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roughly equivalent to the
stars in the known universe,
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so we've been
putting the Bible together
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with astronomy
for the past 37 years,
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you know, and traveling.
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We just got back from Russia,
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where I spoke at the
Eurasian ASI Convention,
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and now that's
being broadcast at 3ABN,
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they told me, recorded that
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and it's going
90 cable companies,
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many television...
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They said there are
300 million Russians
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that can tune in to 3ABN
now in the former Soviet Union.
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That's amazing.
It is amazing, yeah.
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And your
concentration on creation
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has been the reason
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why many people
have found courage
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and the belief in God's Word
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because, you know,
creation is a lot more complex
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and you're discovering that.
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It's a lot more complex
than we can come to conclusions
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from earth and from our
sphere of limited understanding.
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On the other side of
that, there's enough evidence
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God has made
available to us to conclude
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some very factual things.
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And we're going to talk about
some of those things today.
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But this idea,
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let's go ahead in advance
the thesis of the program today
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because right now
there are many challenges,
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and as you know, I'm a pastor,
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and we've dealt with a
lot of controversial issues.
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And by the way,
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the purpose of this
program is not to settle issues
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of a controversy
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but to revisit
some of the evidences
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that we have
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that if listened to
and followed carefully.
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Let me give you an example.
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Some people might say
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well the commandments of
God were nailed to the cross
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and they believed the Bible.
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Well, you know,
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if there is no
law, there is no sin.
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And there is sin,
so there must be a law.
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So the Bible declares that.
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So we go to the Bible,
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allow the Bible
to be our foundation.
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And in the very same way,
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astronomically
and scientifically,
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you, as you
said, you look at Job.
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What was the name of the...
What was the name of the star,
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Arcturus you said?
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Arcturus, yeah. Yeah.
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How God...
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Can you guide Arcturus...
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And then science talks about
this very same star Arcturus,
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showing that the
Bible had recognized it
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before we have,
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showing the valid points
of the recognition of that.
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But today, we're going to be
talking about the flat earth.
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Just build the foundation
to help our listeners,
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viewers understand this theory.
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Well, you know,
the idea of flat earth
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all of a sudden is
going crazy on the Internet.
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When I was in Russia,
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a pastor came and it's affecting
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our Christian, our people.
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somebody says,
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"Would you preach
in my church this month
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and, you know, talk
about flat earth in the sermon?
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Can you work
that in your sermon?"
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I was in Russian,
a pastor said to me
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that we have a
church next down the road,
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an Adventist Church,
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who believes in
the health message,
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believes in Ellen White,
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and they're
caught up, this church
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congregation is
caught up in flat earth
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and he said there are people
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in that congregation
won't speak to the pastor
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because the
pastor doesn't accept
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the flat earth theory.
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And, you know,
this was interesting,
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this was proven 200
years before Christ.
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There was a guy Eratosthenes
that measured the shadow.
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He knew that, he was told
that on summer solstice that,
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at noon the sun
went into well in Anwar,
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which was actually Serene and...
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different name at the
time, but now it's Anwar.
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He was in Alexandria,
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great distance away
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and he put a flagpole
up and measured the shadow.
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Now if the earth
is flat the sun rays,
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you know, you
wouldn't have the shadow
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'cause they say the earth...
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The sun is really
close to the earth,
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it's not really that far away.
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But he actually measured the...
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He's within 15% of
the diameter of the earth,
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250 years before Jesus was born.
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He established that and
Aristotle, many of these,
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you know, famous
scientists had accepted that.
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And what is really
interesting side issue,
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how do you measure,
you didn't have miles
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they stride over, where
it was the unit of measure,
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but he can...
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and I'm told this maybe
legend but he calculated
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the distance
between those two cities
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based on how far camel caravans
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could travel in a day
and how long camel caravans
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will take them to
get to Alexandria.
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And by those
dimensions, he was within 15%.
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Now I can't tell you for sure
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if that's true but
that's what's being said.
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And so it was established,
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you know, way back before Jesus.
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And if you fly
in a straight line,
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you know, if you
fly in a straight line
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you're going to end
up where you started.
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You fly even more than I do
and, you know, I left Moscow.
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When I flew to
Moscow in November,
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and the sun was
only up, it was gone,
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I mean, the sun was gone
in just a few hours it set.
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Coming back from
Moscow was 27 hours,
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I had sun almost the whole way
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because we're going with
the rotation of the earth,
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you know, as opposed to going
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against the
rotation of the earth
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and so I don't understand
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why people are so
caught up in this.
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But, you know, they have come up
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with 75 scriptures that
prove the earth is flat.
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Well, that they say.
They say the earth is flat.
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And that
everything is a conspiracy.
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NASA's a conspiracy, the ISS,
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International Space
Station is conspiracy.
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We didn't go to the moon,
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that was a
conspiracy, you know...
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We have no satellites.
There're no satellites.
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The GPS are done
by towers on the earth
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and all of these things.
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I mean, I've seen
00:15:08.24\00:15:09.57
the International
Space Station go over.
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I saw it with the
shuttle separating.
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We watched it go across the sky
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and the two
brightest things in the sky,
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brighter than Venus,
going across the sky.
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You can go on
the Internet and...
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On the day of the eclipse,
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the International Space
Station was photographed
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going across the sun.
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In fact, we have a picture
coming up in a little while.
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And so we have all this evidence
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but people are
so convinced that,
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you know, that they'll
say, "Well, when Jesus comes,
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the Bible says,
every eye will see Him.
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Now how does every eye
see Him if He's on a globe,
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you know, but if it's flat,
00:15:45.51\00:15:46.84
of course and
every eye could see Him."
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They would tell you...
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And if a ship goes down to sea,
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you know, it'll
disappear and they say,
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"Well, if you
had a microscope...
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If you had
telescope, they don't disappear,
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you could watch these ships go."
00:16:04.93\00:16:06.70
And these...
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So they're saying
in essence to visit
00:16:08.10\00:16:09.43
that they're saying in essence,
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we say the reason
why the ship disappears
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is because it
goes over the horizon.
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And the curvature of the earth
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is what causes it
to naturally disappear.
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But they're saying,
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"Well, if you had a
strong enough telescope
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you could still see it.
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It's just that your eye
has limited visibility."
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Yeah, and the fog
and stuff like that
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and the mist and so forth.
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And the Statue of Liberty,
one of these websites goes
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through all of these
lighthouses and shows
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the Haifa lighthouse and
how far you can see them,
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but the Statue of Liberty
is about 360-some feet tall.
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They claim, I
haven't checked this out,
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but they claim it could
be seen by 60 miles away.
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And then this one website,
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he says, "If, at 60 miles
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you would have 2,700 feet
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of earth curvature
blocking the Statue of Liberty
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if it was round."
00:16:54.88\00:16:56.21
Well, he is so wrong,
00:16:56.24\00:16:57.58
when a ship, a boat goes
across a lake at, at one mile,
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you lose six
inches or seven inches.
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Seven inches the first mile,
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fourteen inches after two miles,
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and calculating by
what we know from science,
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the Statue of Liberty
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instead of being 2,700...
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70-some feet below the surface
is actually about 34 feet.
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So when you go 60 miles,
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you've only missed
the bottom 64 feet,
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you still see the
Statue of Liberty.
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Right. It's clear.
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But, but these are the theories
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that are often
advanced and people
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that are holding on
to these ideologies,
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if you look at
what the theme is,
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and you talked
about the theories
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that have existed before,
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you know, we have
the Theory of Evolution
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and people still believe
00:17:43.53\00:17:44.86
that today there's
an entire movement.
00:17:44.89\00:17:46.63
You have atheists, you
know, of all these theories
00:17:46.66\00:17:48.76
that are existing
in the world today
00:17:48.80\00:17:50.37
and somebody
always grabs on to those
00:17:50.40\00:17:52.83
and try to legitimize them.
00:17:52.87\00:17:54.54
But this idea
that the earth is flat,
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now as you mentioned I travel,
you travel, going to Australia,
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we crossed the
international dateline.
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And if depending on how long,
depending on when you travel,
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you could follow,
you could have the sun
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because the earth is
moving in one direction,
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the plane is moving in the other
00:18:12.12\00:18:13.62
and we go from
day to night today,
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we lose a day,
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then you come back
and you gain that day.
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How could that be
possible if the earth were flat?
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With a facet of jet,
the sun would never set.
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You know, that I mean...
00:18:27.77\00:18:30.41
Some of our
military jets could do that
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they normally would fly at
what, 500-600 miles an hour,
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so you can't quite
keep up with the sun,
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but instead of the sun
setting it a few hours,
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it can be up for 24 hours...
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That's right. If
you're flying that way.
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But those are very fast jets.
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And the other thing,
and this is another thing,
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I want to just kind of
throw in some questions.
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Some, I say layman questions.
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If the earth is flat,
00:18:51.13\00:18:52.86
why when the
sun sets in Illinois
00:18:52.89\00:18:56.16
is it still up in California?
00:18:56.20\00:18:58.47
Do we not see it?
00:18:58.50\00:18:59.83
There's this guy
building a rocket ship,
00:18:59.87\00:19:01.20
he's going to go up
and prove in this rocket
00:19:01.24\00:19:02.90
that the earth is flat.
00:19:02.94\00:19:05.07
And I said, "Just
buy an airline ticket."
00:19:05.11\00:19:06.44
I was in
Minneapolis a few weeks ago
00:19:06.47\00:19:08.48
and the sun had set.
00:19:08.51\00:19:09.84
Okay, it was at
4:20 in the afternoon
00:19:09.88\00:19:11.91
the sun went down,
00:19:11.95\00:19:13.28
we got in the jet, we took off,
00:19:13.31\00:19:14.65
and all the sudden the sun rose.
00:19:14.68\00:19:16.08
And we got
higher and the sun rose.
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You can go out
tonight and prove that...
00:19:17.49\00:19:20.32
If you just go
out, wait for sunset,
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go outside and take a look.
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Okay, the high clouds
are still hit by the sun,
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the lower clouds
started getting black.
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A jet going over will
be boiling the contra,
00:19:27.23\00:19:29.70
just be boiling even
though your sun is set.
00:19:29.73\00:19:32.30
And then we have a tower
in Kuwait 2,700-foot tall.
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The sun sets at the bottom
00:19:37.71\00:19:39.04
but it's still seeing at the top
00:19:39.07\00:19:40.58
for two and a half minutes.
00:19:40.61\00:19:41.94
I mean, there's so
much evidence out there
00:19:41.98\00:19:44.38
I don't understand why
people could get caught up
00:19:44.41\00:19:46.68
in this concept.
00:19:46.72\00:19:48.35
But they're
powerful they, say well,
00:19:48.38\00:19:51.95
you know when Jesus
comes every eye will see Him.
00:19:51.99\00:19:54.46
How do you see that,
00:19:54.49\00:19:55.82
you know, they
say, the Bible says,
00:19:55.86\00:19:57.99
"Son, stand out still."
00:19:58.03\00:20:00.40
They say the earth
is supported on the...
00:20:00.43\00:20:04.10
Well, "Earth is my
footstool," in one scripture,
00:20:04.13\00:20:05.63
another scripture says
00:20:05.67\00:20:07.00
the earth is
supported by pillars,
00:20:07.04\00:20:08.60
and you can't support
around earth with pillars
00:20:08.64\00:20:10.61
but a flat earth you could.
00:20:10.64\00:20:12.77
I mean, there's
a lot of scriptures
00:20:12.81\00:20:17.71
are using there to
try to convince people
00:20:17.75\00:20:20.82
that, you know,
that the earth therein...
00:20:20.85\00:20:23.15
And Daniel 4, the tree grew,
talking about Nebuchadnezzar...
00:20:23.18\00:20:26.62
What verse?
00:20:26.65\00:20:27.99
4:11. Okay.
00:20:28.02\00:20:29.36
"The tree grew and was strong
00:20:29.39\00:20:30.73
and the height they
have reached into heaven
00:20:30.76\00:20:32.63
and the sight thereof to
the ends of all the earth."
00:20:32.66\00:20:36.33
And so they're going,
00:20:36.36\00:20:37.70
if earth is round,
how could that be true?
00:20:37.73\00:20:39.30
Well, it's figurative, I
mean, you're the theologian,
00:20:39.33\00:20:42.70
you know, I was
talking about Nebuchadnezzar.
00:20:42.74\00:20:44.81
In reality,
00:20:44.84\00:20:46.17
if they were looking
at that legitimately,
00:20:46.21\00:20:47.64
no tree could extend...
00:20:47.68\00:20:49.01
Yeah, right.
00:20:49.04\00:20:50.38
Its roots to the
ends of the Earth.
00:20:50.41\00:20:51.75
End of the height of
heaven too, you know.
00:20:51.78\00:20:54.48
There's another one
they used, Ecclesiastes 1:5,
00:20:54.52\00:20:56.65
"The sun rises and the sun sets,
00:20:56.69\00:20:58.85
and hurries back to
where it rises again."
00:20:58.89\00:21:00.86
So what they're saying,
00:21:00.89\00:21:02.22
the sun just raises back
to start all over the earth.
00:21:02.26\00:21:03.59
Yeah, the sun is moving
that the earth, you know.
00:21:03.63\00:21:06.33
Which is a
ridiculous supposition
00:21:06.36\00:21:08.00
because the reality of it is...
00:21:08.03\00:21:09.80
And as I look at
some of these things,
00:21:09.83\00:21:11.63
some of the facts
that they do accept,
00:21:11.67\00:21:13.64
and when I say they,
00:21:13.67\00:21:15.20
those who advanced this
theory that the earth is flat,
00:21:15.24\00:21:17.51
they accept the fact
that the moon is round
00:21:17.54\00:21:19.41
because you can see it.
00:21:19.44\00:21:21.68
So here's the question.
00:21:21.71\00:21:23.08
Is the moon rotating
around the flat earth?
00:21:23.11\00:21:27.32
And if the moon is
rotating around a flat earth,
00:21:27.35\00:21:30.52
then the moon is
constantly visible
00:21:30.55\00:21:33.82
from one location.
00:21:33.86\00:21:36.29
And so if the moon is
rotating and the earth is flat,
00:21:36.32\00:21:39.36
so the moon and
the sun are coexisting
00:21:39.39\00:21:41.96
at the very same time
at the very same location.
00:21:42.00\00:21:44.17
So which is fighting which?
00:21:44.20\00:21:46.43
And how are
they casting shadows?
00:21:46.47\00:21:49.14
You know, my concern is that
00:21:49.17\00:21:51.84
people are getting
this from the Internet,
00:21:51.87\00:21:53.74
they're getting
this from YouTube
00:21:53.78\00:21:55.68
and everything is
a conspiracy, okay?
00:21:55.71\00:22:00.45
I mean, we went to the moon.
00:22:00.48\00:22:03.25
Yes, there's third...
00:22:03.28\00:22:04.62
If you look up
third party evidence,
00:22:04.65\00:22:06.32
who went to the moon,
00:22:06.35\00:22:07.69
the Japanese photograph
the rockets, the New Zealand,
00:22:07.72\00:22:11.49
we have several big,
00:22:11.53\00:22:14.50
you know, it was on television
00:22:14.53\00:22:16.13
but several of the
big satellite dishes
00:22:16.16\00:22:17.93
recorded the fact
we went to the moon.
00:22:17.97\00:22:19.37
So the evidence there is...
00:22:19.40\00:22:21.50
But the thing is
everything is a conspiracy.
00:22:21.54\00:22:24.34
My conspiracy...
00:22:24.37\00:22:25.71
Is there a conspiracy
coming to this planet,
00:22:25.74\00:22:28.54
the ultimate conspiracy.
00:22:28.58\00:22:30.75
And when Satan
and his angels deceive
00:22:30.78\00:22:33.58
if possible the very elect,
00:22:33.62\00:22:35.45
and I'm afraid
00:22:35.48\00:22:36.82
that the people
get their information
00:22:36.85\00:22:38.35
and believe what they read
on YouTube and the Internet,
00:22:38.39\00:22:41.89
when the cry goes out,
00:22:41.92\00:22:43.83
Christ has
come, Christ has come,
00:22:43.86\00:22:45.43
like it says in
Great Controversy 6:24,
00:22:45.46\00:22:48.13
Christ has
come, Christ has come.
00:22:48.16\00:22:49.50
Look He's on You Tube,
00:22:49.53\00:22:50.87
He's on Facebook,
you know, these people...
00:22:50.90\00:22:52.47
What does the Bible say?
00:22:52.50\00:22:53.84
Don't go, don't go, don't watch,
00:22:53.87\00:22:55.57
and that's my concern.
00:22:55.60\00:22:56.94
And Matthew 24 says,
00:22:56.97\00:22:58.31
"If they say Christ is here
or there, do not believe it."
00:22:58.34\00:23:01.21
Because, "As a sun,
as a lightning shines
00:23:01.24\00:23:03.48
from the east to the west,
00:23:03.51\00:23:05.01
so also will the
coming of the Son of Man be."
00:23:05.05\00:23:06.51
These...
00:23:06.55\00:23:07.88
Yeah, go ahead.
00:23:07.92\00:23:09.25
So let's go ahead
and ask another question.
00:23:09.28\00:23:11.69
How could we have a
north pole and a south pole?
00:23:11.72\00:23:16.16
Wouldn't that...
00:23:16.19\00:23:17.53
The word pole,
isn't that polarization?
00:23:17.56\00:23:20.20
Well, they say the earth is flat
00:23:20.23\00:23:23.26
and what prevents
the water from going off?
00:23:23.30\00:23:26.33
Well, it has the
Arctic and Antarctic,
00:23:26.37\00:23:28.70
you have all
this 150-foot of ice,
00:23:28.74\00:23:32.01
that are keeping the
water in so I guess...
00:23:32.04\00:23:35.04
So that's lip of the earth?
It's the lip of the earth.
00:23:35.08\00:23:37.68
I guess if we
had global warming,
00:23:37.71\00:23:39.31
the ice would melt
00:23:39.35\00:23:40.68
and the water will
all fall off, right?
00:23:40.72\00:23:42.12
We would have no oceans.
00:23:42.15\00:23:43.49
And they say
00:23:43.52\00:23:44.85
the sun goes
around like this, okay?
00:23:44.89\00:23:46.89
Sun's going around like
this shining straight down.
00:23:46.92\00:23:49.02
And of course,
00:23:49.06\00:23:50.39
what keeps the sun
from flying off in space
00:23:50.43\00:23:52.19
is something got to
hold it, hold it in orbit.
00:23:52.23\00:23:56.67
And what's
interesting, the sun is,
00:23:56.70\00:23:59.13
you know, this is a spotlight,
00:23:59.17\00:24:00.50
okay, but you can
see the sun all the time.
00:24:00.54\00:24:03.97
You never have night
00:24:04.01\00:24:05.34
if the sun was
going around that way
00:24:05.37\00:24:06.98
because it's a ball,
00:24:07.01\00:24:08.34
it's radiating
in every direction
00:24:08.38\00:24:10.21
and it's not like a
spotlight, you know.
00:24:10.25\00:24:12.68
So the sun really wouldn't set?
00:24:12.71\00:24:14.98
No, I would never say,
00:24:15.02\00:24:16.35
you'd all be able
to see it all the time.
00:24:16.38\00:24:17.72
All the time? Yeah.
00:24:17.75\00:24:19.09
So the point of the matter is,
00:24:19.12\00:24:20.46
and here are some
of the other theories
00:24:20.49\00:24:21.82
that they don't really
think through carefully.
00:24:21.86\00:24:24.16
Why does the sun stay up longer
at certain parts of the earth
00:24:24.19\00:24:28.86
and shorter at the other,
00:24:28.90\00:24:30.97
and how can we have an
equator if the earth is flat?
00:24:31.00\00:24:36.47
No, we don't
00:24:36.50\00:24:37.84
and, I mean, like you mentioned
00:24:37.87\00:24:39.21
like the north
pole and the south pole,
00:24:39.24\00:24:40.58
there are times when the
sun, we have the midnight.
00:24:40.61\00:24:42.61
Sun shines all the
time and then we have time
00:24:42.64\00:24:44.91
when there's no sun for long,
00:24:44.95\00:24:46.58
you know, for
weeks, and weeks and weeks.
00:24:46.61\00:24:49.15
And so but they
say, well, it's really,
00:24:49.18\00:24:50.92
the sun is really
close to the earth.
00:24:50.95\00:24:52.32
It's not really,
93 million miles away.
00:24:52.35\00:24:54.09
They've got an explanation.
00:24:54.12\00:24:55.46
I think my point is
when people come up to you,
00:24:55.49\00:24:58.06
Christian people
come to you and say,
00:24:58.09\00:25:00.13
try to talk about flat earth.
00:25:00.16\00:25:03.13
You know, Ellen White says,
00:25:03.16\00:25:04.50
"The flat earth round
worth never saved a soul."
00:25:04.53\00:25:06.53
Let's go to that...
00:25:06.57\00:25:07.90
If they have that
graphic back there.
00:25:07.94\00:25:10.24
And it's in a Manuscript,
00:25:10.27\00:25:11.61
she says,
"Whether the world is round
00:25:11.64\00:25:13.38
or flat will not save one soul.
00:25:13.41\00:25:17.15
But whether men believe
00:25:17.18\00:25:18.51
and obey them means everything.
00:25:18.55\00:25:21.75
We must," in
another place she says,
00:25:21.78\00:25:23.35
"We must turn away
from a thousand topics
00:25:23.39\00:25:25.85
that invite attention.
00:25:25.89\00:25:27.32
There are matters
00:25:27.36\00:25:28.69
that consume time
and arouse inquiry,
00:25:28.72\00:25:31.19
but the end is nothing.
00:25:31.23\00:25:33.06
We need to feel
our responsibility
00:25:33.09\00:25:35.30
to give our souls food
00:25:35.33\00:25:36.93
that will nourish spirit,
00:25:36.97\00:25:39.70
stimulate and
stimulate spiritual life."
00:25:39.73\00:25:41.67
And while we're on that,
let's do the next graphic.
00:25:41.70\00:25:43.54
Here's an actual photograph
00:25:43.57\00:25:45.37
of the
International Space Station
00:25:45.41\00:25:47.48
going across the Sun.
00:25:47.51\00:25:49.51
Now this was taken on August,
this year, when we had...
00:25:49.54\00:25:54.02
The eclipse.
00:25:54.05\00:25:55.38
Great eclipse.
00:25:55.42\00:25:56.75
And it turned out
to be and I believe
00:25:56.79\00:25:58.12
this was taken
from St Louis, Missouri.
00:25:58.15\00:26:00.59
And the
International Space Station
00:26:00.62\00:26:01.96
went right across the sun
00:26:01.99\00:26:03.32
just as the moon
was eclipsing the sun.
00:26:03.36\00:26:04.96
So there's no
International Space Station.
00:26:04.99\00:26:07.36
Well, there you
have it, you can see it.
00:26:07.40\00:26:10.07
But here's the other
thing, the sun is round,
00:26:10.10\00:26:12.53
the moon is round,
but the earth is flat.
00:26:12.57\00:26:16.50
What would account
for the inconsistency?
00:26:16.54\00:26:20.54
Yeah, I don't know
00:26:20.58\00:26:21.91
if they have an
explanation for that.
00:26:21.94\00:26:23.28
I'm not here to defend them.
00:26:23.31\00:26:24.65
Right, but these are the
points we're bringing out is,
00:26:24.68\00:26:27.58
in the face of
the obvious evidence,
00:26:27.62\00:26:30.69
you know, the north
pole you know places
00:26:30.72\00:26:32.15
where the sun is up for
six months or four months,
00:26:32.19\00:26:34.62
then you have other places
00:26:34.66\00:26:35.99
where the sun is not
seen for durations of time.
00:26:36.02\00:26:38.66
And at that
very same place, why?
00:26:38.69\00:26:40.50
Because of the fact
that the earth is spherical,
00:26:40.53\00:26:43.87
if rather than just
round, it's just spherical.
00:26:43.90\00:26:45.63
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:45.67\00:26:47.00
And so it has its
exposures at different times.
00:26:47.04\00:26:50.21
I think one more
point, the picture we just saw
00:26:50.24\00:26:52.34
of the
International Space Station
00:26:52.37\00:26:54.11
going across the sun,
00:26:54.14\00:26:55.48
that's taken by
amateur astronomers.
00:26:55.51\00:26:57.15
Right. That's an
amateur astronomer.
00:26:57.18\00:26:58.51
That's not NASA, NASA is,
00:26:58.55\00:26:59.98
you know, and we might
go back to Eratosthenes,
00:27:00.02\00:27:04.62
250 years before
Jesus, was He part of NASA?
00:27:04.65\00:27:07.72
Was He part of the conspiracy?
00:27:07.76\00:27:10.43
The conspiracy is
in our time, right?
00:27:10.46\00:27:12.29
And so you see
this conspiracy theory.
00:27:12.33\00:27:16.33
But once again,
00:27:16.36\00:27:17.70
my concern is
people will be vulnerable,
00:27:17.73\00:27:19.37
people get
caught up in this stuff.
00:27:19.40\00:27:22.24
I've been
speaking to the churches,
00:27:22.27\00:27:23.81
a little church
in Golden Colorado
00:27:23.84\00:27:25.41
been back many, many
times and spoke there.
00:27:25.44\00:27:27.64
And the secretary
has been emailing me
00:27:27.68\00:27:29.28
and we've been
going back and forth,
00:27:29.31\00:27:30.75
now emailing at
least a dozen times.
00:27:30.78\00:27:32.98
And she's saying,
00:27:33.01\00:27:34.35
"What do you
think about Nibiru."
00:27:34.38\00:27:36.48
This planet that's
supposed, Internet thing...
00:27:36.52\00:27:39.25
This planet is coming our way,
00:27:39.29\00:27:40.62
it's going to shift the earth
and going to cause problems.
00:27:40.66\00:27:43.73
And do you
believe in the rapture,
00:27:43.76\00:27:45.43
and I sent her
videos on the rapture
00:27:45.46\00:27:46.80
and then coming up she said,
00:27:46.83\00:27:49.76
"What about Revelation
12:1 and September 23rd
00:27:49.80\00:27:54.20
because she says
on September 23rd,
00:27:54.24\00:27:56.00
that scripture is
fulfilled that's going to be
00:27:56.04\00:27:59.34
the tribulation or the rapture.
00:27:59.37\00:28:03.95
This year, it's last
year 2017 September 23rd
00:28:03.98\00:28:07.02
because there was
a wonder in heaven.
00:28:07.05\00:28:09.28
A woman clothed
with the sun and the moon
00:28:09.32\00:28:11.59
under her feet and
12 stars in her crown.
00:28:11.62\00:28:14.29
And so it turns out to
be on September 27, 28...
00:28:14.32\00:28:18.39
excuse me 23, the
sun is in the woman,
00:28:18.43\00:28:21.33
the
constellation of Virgo, okay?
00:28:21.36\00:28:23.06
The woman, the sun is there,
00:28:23.10\00:28:24.53
the moon is
there under her feet,
00:28:24.57\00:28:26.17
and there are 12
stars in her crown.
00:28:26.20\00:28:27.94
Well, it turns out to be
00:28:27.97\00:28:29.30
the stars are a
couple of planets
00:28:29.34\00:28:30.67
that make up the 12 stars.
00:28:30.71\00:28:32.37
And she's convinced
00:28:32.41\00:28:33.74
that this is going
to be the tribulation
00:28:33.78\00:28:36.51
or it's going to be the rapture.
00:28:36.54\00:28:39.28
She's been talking
about this for a couple years
00:28:39.31\00:28:41.28
and emailing me.
00:28:41.32\00:28:42.65
And it turned out to be neither.
00:28:42.68\00:28:44.35
Neither. Right.
00:28:44.39\00:28:46.92
But the point
that you're making here
00:28:46.96\00:28:48.39
is theory after theory
is designed by someone,
00:28:48.42\00:28:52.66
someone comes up
with another distraction
00:28:52.69\00:28:56.33
from the reality
of what really we need
00:28:56.36\00:28:58.07
to be focusing on.
00:28:58.10\00:28:59.43
And we saw Y2K
00:28:59.47\00:29:00.90
was the end of the world, right?
00:29:00.94\00:29:02.27
We had planet
alignments in 1984,
00:29:02.30\00:29:04.17
all the planets are...
00:29:04.21\00:29:05.54
We go through these
things all the time.
00:29:05.57\00:29:07.01
But this lady is
caught up in this to the point
00:29:07.04\00:29:09.78
that she's preaching
about this planet Nibiru
00:29:09.81\00:29:13.35
and this September
23rd and nothing happens
00:29:13.38\00:29:16.69
because they're
caught up in this...
00:29:16.72\00:29:18.52
Fanciful theory.
00:29:18.55\00:29:19.89
And yeah, you know,
I sold the building.
00:29:19.92\00:29:24.16
Well, I'm getting
ready to retire here.
00:29:24.19\00:29:26.29
But the people
in the next office
00:29:26.33\00:29:27.66
came down and...
00:29:27.70\00:29:29.76
before the eclipse,
and the manager said to me,
00:29:29.80\00:29:32.47
I got six people in my office.
00:29:32.50\00:29:33.94
They all got
questions about the eclipse,
00:29:33.97\00:29:35.30
"Would you come down
00:29:35.34\00:29:36.67
and talk to us
about the eclipse,"
00:29:36.71\00:29:38.04
so I go down talked to
them about the eclipse.
00:29:38.07\00:29:39.77
And he says then,
after that, he says,
00:29:39.81\00:29:43.01
"Isn't something
happening next month?"
00:29:43.04\00:29:44.51
I said as a matter of
fact, it's 23rd of September,
00:29:44.55\00:29:47.52
is this Revelation 12,
People think it's a rapture,
00:29:47.55\00:29:50.35
it's the end of the
tribulation, whatever.
00:29:50.39\00:29:52.32
And he says,
00:29:52.35\00:29:53.69
"Man, I love this
stuff," and I said,
00:29:53.72\00:29:55.46
"They're exactly right,
the sun isn't Virgo the woman,
00:29:55.49\00:29:58.09
and the moon, and
the stars and I said,
00:29:58.13\00:29:59.79
"But nobody's
going to able to see it.
00:29:59.83\00:30:02.36
Nobody on earth is
going to able to see it,"
00:30:02.40\00:30:03.73
because the sun
is in the daytime,
00:30:03.77\00:30:05.40
the sun is in the constellation,
00:30:05.43\00:30:06.87
it's going to
block out all the stars,
00:30:06.90\00:30:08.24
it's going to
block out the moon,
00:30:08.27\00:30:09.60
even when the sun and
the moon are together,
00:30:09.64\00:30:11.94
we can't see the moon,
00:30:11.97\00:30:13.31
you know, all you
can see is the sun,
00:30:13.34\00:30:14.68
won't be able to see the star.
00:30:14.71\00:30:16.04
No, it's...
00:30:16.08\00:30:17.68
But nobody is exactly right,
00:30:17.71\00:30:19.78
but nobody's going
to be able to see it.
00:30:19.81\00:30:21.15
But I said,
00:30:21.18\00:30:22.52
"There is a
prophecy in Daniel 2."
00:30:22.55\00:30:23.89
And as I started
telling about Daniel 2
00:30:23.92\00:30:26.15
and the
documentary we have on Hitler,
00:30:26.19\00:30:28.72
and he says, "I said
I got a video on this."
00:30:28.76\00:30:31.39
And he goes like,
"Wow, I love this stuff.
00:30:31.43\00:30:33.19
Insomnia, I'll
be watching this."
00:30:33.23\00:30:34.73
I went down in my office
and brought back seven DVDs
00:30:34.76\00:30:38.57
and gave them on the documentary
00:30:38.60\00:30:40.17
that they do with
Hassell and Hitler and...
00:30:40.20\00:30:44.54
one for the manager
because it was six people,
00:30:44.57\00:30:45.91
and one in the office,
00:30:45.94\00:30:47.28
but the point was
that people get caught up
00:30:47.31\00:30:49.81
in this stuff that
goes around the Internet.
00:30:49.84\00:30:51.55
We've got these Planet
X, it's coming our way,
00:30:51.58\00:30:53.75
it's going to shift the earth.
00:30:53.78\00:30:55.12
All this stuff on the Internet
and there's nothing to it now.
00:30:55.15\00:30:59.59
You know, we can get hit
by an asteroid there are,
00:30:59.62\00:31:03.59
you know, events
happening that we see,
00:31:03.63\00:31:07.36
you know, we look
at the hurricanes,
00:31:07.40\00:31:09.00
we look at the earthquakes,
00:31:09.03\00:31:11.43
and we look at
the shooting in Vegas,
00:31:11.47\00:31:13.60
and we look at the fireballs
00:31:13.64\00:31:15.14
that apparently see
Wohlberg shows destroyed
00:31:15.17\00:31:18.17
or started the
fires in Santa Rosa.
00:31:18.21\00:31:20.11
If you look up,
00:31:20.14\00:31:21.48
Steve Wohlberg did
a documentary on that.
00:31:21.51\00:31:23.31
It sure looks like
fireballs came down and broke,
00:31:23.35\00:31:25.81
lots of stuff going on
00:31:25.85\00:31:27.22
but to get caught
up and things that,
00:31:27.25\00:31:30.09
I mean, it's so easy to find
the truth about a flat earth,
00:31:30.12\00:31:34.09
you know, I don't understand
00:31:34.12\00:31:35.46
how they can get caught up
00:31:35.49\00:31:36.99
because the
information is there.
00:31:37.03\00:31:38.49
Well, you know, the
Bible makes a good point
00:31:38.53\00:31:40.00
and from a
theological perspective,
00:31:40.03\00:31:41.93
you know, Romans 1:20-22 says,
00:31:41.96\00:31:44.33
"For since the
creation of the world,
00:31:44.37\00:31:47.04
his invisible
attributes are clearly seen,
00:31:47.07\00:31:50.24
you know, being understood
by the things that are made,
00:31:50.27\00:31:52.47
even His eternal
power and Godhead
00:31:52.51\00:31:54.18
so that they
are without excuse."
00:31:54.21\00:31:56.51
And so if you
look at the evidence,
00:31:56.54\00:32:00.22
you don't really
need to look any further.
00:32:00.25\00:32:02.12
Have you just said,
00:32:02.15\00:32:03.49
and you talked about
going up in a tall building.
00:32:03.52\00:32:05.95
You know, today
with a simple drone,
00:32:05.99\00:32:08.52
a simple consumer drone
stand outside at sunset.
00:32:08.56\00:32:13.26
And just send that drone up,
and if you look at the drone,
00:32:13.29\00:32:15.33
it's going to be brighter
00:32:15.36\00:32:16.70
the sun is still
going to be on it, why?
00:32:16.73\00:32:19.43
Because the earth is spherical,
00:32:19.47\00:32:20.80
the higher up you send
and just take pictures of it.
00:32:20.84\00:32:22.87
I have a drone, matter of fact,
00:32:22.90\00:32:24.97
if I had known, I was
going to be hosting you,
00:32:25.01\00:32:27.14
I would've done that
just for the benefit of those
00:32:27.18\00:32:29.48
who might be
advancing this theory.
00:32:29.51\00:32:31.31
To send my drone up
and slowly bring it down
00:32:31.35\00:32:33.68
and you'll see the
sun starting to disappear.
00:32:33.72\00:32:35.82
We're sending from the ground up
00:32:35.85\00:32:37.19
where the sun is
already set, you keep going up.
00:32:37.22\00:32:38.85
Look at that illustration.
00:32:38.89\00:32:40.22
Because if, you know,
00:32:40.26\00:32:42.39
if you're here
the, and the sun sets,
00:32:42.42\00:32:44.79
okay, the earth spins this way,
00:32:44.83\00:32:46.16
so the sun is setting
00:32:46.19\00:32:47.53
and you see the shadow
of the earth was still,
00:32:47.56\00:32:49.30
the sun will still be
hitting the planes in the sky
00:32:49.33\00:32:51.47
and the clouds in the sky.
00:32:51.50\00:32:52.90
But it's that where
you are, you know, so...
00:32:52.93\00:32:56.81
And the other thing
let me add to this too.
00:32:56.84\00:32:58.77
You've really excited me today,
I just want you to know that.
00:32:58.81\00:33:01.94
But on the
Internet you're able to...
00:33:01.98\00:33:04.05
there is a website and
I have it a link to that.
00:33:04.08\00:33:06.61
If you want to do
this for your own benefit,
00:33:06.65\00:33:08.58
you can go where they
have international CCD cameras
00:33:08.62\00:33:13.39
that you could
look at Australia,
00:33:13.42\00:33:16.39
Moscow, New Guinea,
various parts of the world,
00:33:16.42\00:33:19.73
and see what's happening
there at the very same time
00:33:19.76\00:33:21.93
and follow the
time on the clocks.
00:33:21.96\00:33:23.87
For example, we might say
well what was the time is here
00:33:23.90\00:33:26.67
and then we'll
look at that very same,
00:33:26.70\00:33:28.04
you know, two hours
later, four hours later,
00:33:28.07\00:33:29.40
six hours later, ten hours later
00:33:29.44\00:33:30.77
so on and so forth.
00:33:30.81\00:33:32.14
And you'll see
while it's night here,
00:33:32.17\00:33:34.98
this could eliminate
the theory immediately.
00:33:35.01\00:33:37.25
While it's night in Illinois,
like 9 o'clock at night,
00:33:37.28\00:33:41.25
its daytime someplace else,
00:33:41.28\00:33:43.89
you know, and
you look at the time.
00:33:43.92\00:33:45.25
How long is the sun
going to be staying up there?
00:33:45.29\00:33:47.16
These a simple methods
00:33:47.19\00:33:48.52
in which you could
completely obliterate the idea
00:33:48.56\00:33:50.66
that the earth is flat.
00:33:50.69\00:33:52.03
But once again,
00:33:52.06\00:33:53.40
I think of people in the church.
00:33:53.43\00:33:54.76
Christian people want
to talk about flatter,
00:33:54.80\00:33:57.33
they want to bring this all in.
00:33:57.37\00:33:58.87
There's all
kinds of distractions,
00:33:58.90\00:34:00.57
whether it's,
00:34:00.60\00:34:01.94
you know, the
nature of the Trinity,
00:34:01.97\00:34:03.30
or whether it's
the nature of Christ
00:34:03.34\00:34:04.77
or whether it's you
got to keep the feast
00:34:04.81\00:34:06.51
and all this kind of thing.
00:34:06.54\00:34:07.88
I think it's best if
you're joining us late,
00:34:07.91\00:34:09.94
we're talking about
flat earth, and I don't think
00:34:09.98\00:34:11.51
we should be
trying to debate them
00:34:11.55\00:34:13.75
on this subject.
00:34:13.78\00:34:15.12
Because they're going
to give you 75 scriptures
00:34:15.15\00:34:17.02
that they think
show the earth is flat.
00:34:17.05\00:34:19.39
And a lot of them
are misinterpretation,
00:34:19.42\00:34:21.26
some is just wrong.
00:34:21.29\00:34:22.62
But there's a
statement here from 20...
00:34:22.66\00:34:26.06
from a Manuscript 4:13.
00:34:26.09\00:34:27.73
It says, any kind
of theory or hobby
00:34:27.76\00:34:30.47
that Satan can lead
00:34:30.50\00:34:31.97
the minds of the
men to dwell upon,
00:34:32.00\00:34:34.30
he will draw their attention to,
00:34:34.34\00:34:36.87
so that they shall not engage
00:34:36.91\00:34:38.77
in giving this solemn
message for this time.
00:34:38.81\00:34:41.64
Do not my brother
00:34:41.68\00:34:43.08
become entangled with the ideas
00:34:43.11\00:34:45.05
that have no connection
with the work for this time.
00:34:45.08\00:34:48.25
It is better to
pray and humble our soul
00:34:48.28\00:34:50.45
before God
00:34:50.49\00:34:51.82
and let the
world be round or flat.
00:34:51.85\00:34:54.79
Be just as God has made it."
00:34:54.82\00:34:57.43
Okay, and
that's the whole which,
00:34:57.46\00:35:01.16
which the point of the statement
00:35:01.20\00:35:02.53
is not to say, well,
it's one or the other.
00:35:02.56\00:35:04.60
But whatever it is,
it really doesn't matter.
00:35:04.63\00:35:07.20
That's what the whole point...
00:35:07.24\00:35:08.57
Not part of our salvation.
Not part of our salvation.
00:35:08.60\00:35:10.01
And as she said,
00:35:10.04\00:35:11.37
no soul has ever been saved
00:35:11.41\00:35:12.74
by flat earth
or the round earth,
00:35:12.77\00:35:14.11
that's not going to save us.
00:35:14.14\00:35:15.48
We got...
00:35:15.51\00:35:16.85
I mean, Jesus is coming
soon, we see the evidence,
00:35:16.88\00:35:18.58
you know, and it's
just so amazing that...
00:35:18.61\00:35:23.49
So easy that people
get caught up in things
00:35:23.52\00:35:25.12
that have nothing to do
with it with the end of time.
00:35:25.15\00:35:28.42
But what is also
setting people up to do
00:35:28.46\00:35:31.43
because if you accept,
if you accept deception
00:35:31.46\00:35:35.73
in the face of
overwhelming evidence...
00:35:35.76\00:35:38.63
Then you are saying
you are open to be deceived
00:35:38.67\00:35:41.54
in which, you
pointed a moment ago,
00:35:41.57\00:35:43.34
when Jesus comes,
00:35:43.37\00:35:44.71
it'll be easy for
Satan to deceive people
00:35:44.74\00:35:46.94
and for people to believe
that that is in fact Christ.
00:35:46.98\00:35:49.94
But if we follow the scriptures,
00:35:49.98\00:35:51.31
you won't be deceived.
00:35:51.35\00:35:52.68
There's several other statements
00:35:52.71\00:35:54.05
that Ellen White talks about,
00:35:54.08\00:35:55.42
the great question
00:35:55.45\00:35:56.79
is not what shall I
do to inherit eternal...
00:35:56.82\00:36:01.46
What I shall do to
inherit eternal life.
00:36:01.49\00:36:03.76
There will be no
agitation of the question
00:36:03.79\00:36:05.83
that whether the
world is round or flat
00:36:05.86\00:36:07.90
but the whole burden of the soul
00:36:07.93\00:36:10.50
is what shall I do
to inherit eternal life.
00:36:10.53\00:36:12.87
And she, here,
in this statement,
00:36:12.90\00:36:14.24
she's talking about flat earth,
00:36:14.27\00:36:16.30
and she says,
00:36:16.34\00:36:17.67
"I want to tell you
00:36:17.71\00:36:19.04
that somebody will rush
up to you every little while
00:36:19.07\00:36:21.38
with something new and strange,
00:36:21.41\00:36:24.08
as though this was to
take the minds captive.
00:36:24.11\00:36:28.58
Tell them that we
have the old, old story
00:36:28.62\00:36:31.02
of the cross of Christ."
00:36:31.05\00:36:32.65
They want to bring something new
00:36:32.69\00:36:34.29
and something new and strange
00:36:34.32\00:36:38.59
but we have the old,
old story of life of Christ.
00:36:38.63\00:36:40.90
And when it comes
to these little items
00:36:40.93\00:36:44.13
that they shall bring out,
00:36:44.17\00:36:46.03
we have a solid
foundation for our feet.
00:36:46.07\00:36:48.80
It is the solid
platform that we want.
00:36:48.84\00:36:52.94
I think that's
what Jeremiah said,
00:36:52.97\00:36:54.48
"Ask for the old paths."
00:36:54.51\00:36:57.45
You know, ask for the old paths.
00:36:57.48\00:36:59.28
You've seen paths before.
00:36:59.31\00:37:01.08
You live up in the mountains,
00:37:01.12\00:37:02.45
where is it that you...
00:37:02.48\00:37:03.82
We live at
Evergreen at, up of the...
00:37:03.85\00:37:05.29
We're 7,200 foot altitude.
00:37:05.32\00:37:07.99
Okay, so there are
lots of paths out there,
00:37:08.02\00:37:09.42
we would even go
and do some walking.
00:37:09.46\00:37:10.79
Yeah, oh, yeah.
00:37:10.83\00:37:12.16
And usually, you
stay on the grooved paths.
00:37:12.19\00:37:14.10
You don't try to make your own.
00:37:14.13\00:37:15.46
But in fact,
00:37:15.50\00:37:16.83
what I'm talking about
is the tried and true paths,
00:37:16.87\00:37:18.83
and there are many paths
that are being created today
00:37:18.87\00:37:21.34
that are not tried and true,
00:37:21.37\00:37:22.70
that are not based on
the evidences of Bible,
00:37:22.74\00:37:25.61
that are not based
on the factual evidences
00:37:25.64\00:37:27.41
of science and astronomy.
00:37:27.44\00:37:29.44
And people will say,
00:37:29.48\00:37:31.31
"Well, I don't
believe in science
00:37:31.35\00:37:32.68
nor astronomy."
00:37:32.71\00:37:34.05
Well, Jim, you know,
00:37:34.08\00:37:35.78
as a person studying
for as long as you have
00:37:35.82\00:37:38.62
that if you choose
to ignore the truth,
00:37:38.65\00:37:42.56
what are you left to accept?
00:37:42.59\00:37:44.06
Yeah. You accept a lie.
00:37:44.09\00:37:46.13
And that's
what's happening today.
00:37:46.16\00:37:47.50
And many Christians,
and here's the caution,
00:37:47.53\00:37:49.56
if you are a Christian
00:37:49.60\00:37:50.93
and you are
getting drawn into this,
00:37:50.97\00:37:52.30
this is where the caution is
00:37:52.33\00:37:53.97
because people can come up
with all kinds of theories.
00:37:54.00\00:37:57.27
Y2K is one you mentioned.
00:37:57.31\00:37:59.44
How much money
was spent to prevent
00:37:59.47\00:38:01.88
the inevitable
collapse of society and Y2K,
00:38:01.91\00:38:05.01
nobody really knows.
00:38:05.05\00:38:07.12
So what do you do
with these things,
00:38:07.15\00:38:08.58
as an astronomer,
00:38:08.62\00:38:09.95
as a person that has studied
the heavens for a long time,
00:38:09.98\00:38:12.82
how do you come
to the conclusion
00:38:12.85\00:38:14.22
when they say,
00:38:14.26\00:38:15.59
"Jim, you've got to prove to me
00:38:15.62\00:38:17.26
that the earth is
either round or flat."
00:38:17.29\00:38:19.19
What do you do?
00:38:19.23\00:38:21.13
Well, I think, if you
fly in a straight line,
00:38:21.16\00:38:24.53
you're going to come
back where you started from,
00:38:24.57\00:38:26.07
you know, I left
Moscow flying to the west,
00:38:26.10\00:38:30.84
and I mean, you
can look at the map,
00:38:30.87\00:38:32.51
Google as you go flying over
00:38:32.54\00:38:33.88
and see all these countries
just as the globe says,
00:38:33.91\00:38:35.84
and you get to here, and
then you get on the plane
00:38:35.88\00:38:37.98
and you start
flying to Taiwan, Hawaii,
00:38:38.01\00:38:40.42
you know, you fly to
Korea, and Japan, and Taiwan.
00:38:40.45\00:38:43.25
Then I'm right over here
00:38:43.28\00:38:44.72
and I look on
United Airlines flight,
00:38:44.75\00:38:47.19
I got one more flight
on back at Moscow arriving
00:38:47.22\00:38:49.82
from the East.
00:38:49.86\00:38:51.53
You know, I left Moscow
flying to the west, right,
00:38:51.56\00:38:53.93
I go to Denver, I leave
Denver, flying to the west
00:38:53.96\00:38:56.30
and you go to
Hawaii, and Taipei,
00:38:56.33\00:38:58.60
and Tokyo, and Taiwan, and then,
00:38:58.63\00:39:00.70
if you look at it,
00:39:00.74\00:39:02.07
I didn't make
that last little leg
00:39:02.10\00:39:03.44
but if I did, I
can get on the flight,
00:39:03.47\00:39:04.94
I can see it's only,
00:39:04.97\00:39:06.31
you know, eight hours
to get to Moscow, whatever.
00:39:06.34\00:39:08.78
And I'm going to
arrive again from the East,
00:39:08.81\00:39:10.55
so I mean, we know
the facts are there
00:39:10.58\00:39:13.28
and you saw the picture
00:39:13.31\00:39:14.65
of the
International Space Station,
00:39:14.68\00:39:16.92
it's just amazing
that people can deceive,
00:39:16.95\00:39:19.99
you know, is it
some pride involved here?
00:39:20.02\00:39:21.56
I was on YouTube,
00:39:21.59\00:39:22.92
I had 18 million hits,
or Facebook, or whatever.
00:39:22.96\00:39:28.23
These people certainly have
got to know the earth is round.
00:39:28.26\00:39:31.50
These people that
are on the Internet,
00:39:31.53\00:39:32.87
some with 10
million, some with 18 million,
00:39:32.90\00:39:34.80
they have got to
know the earth is round.
00:39:34.84\00:39:36.87
But they are just,
00:39:36.91\00:39:38.24
I think, having fun
to deceive they can...
00:39:38.27\00:39:40.81
how many people will
watch their programs.
00:39:40.84\00:39:44.21
Well, you now, the
part of the reason is,
00:39:44.25\00:39:46.41
and I want to boil it
down to the simplicity,
00:39:46.45\00:39:48.65
the over simplicity of
just wanting attention.
00:39:48.68\00:39:50.89
But some people...
00:39:50.92\00:39:52.25
you could look at
something for so long
00:39:52.29\00:39:54.06
and deny what it is
00:39:54.09\00:39:55.46
that your mind
begins to make it up
00:39:55.49\00:39:57.03
to be something else
completely different.
00:39:57.06\00:39:59.46
And I think the part of
the challenge here is that,
00:39:59.49\00:40:01.96
when you look at what is proven,
00:40:02.00\00:40:05.40
already proven, already factual,
00:40:05.43\00:40:07.34
and deny the
very validity of it,
00:40:07.37\00:40:09.47
for example, let's go
back to some of the things
00:40:09.50\00:40:10.84
you've mentioned.
00:40:10.87\00:40:12.21
Some people say,
"Well, the earth is flat,
00:40:12.24\00:40:13.58
well, there's no
such thing as gravity."
00:40:13.61\00:40:14.94
What do they do with gravity?
00:40:14.98\00:40:16.31
Well, gravity doesn't exist.
00:40:16.34\00:40:17.68
Yeah.
00:40:17.71\00:40:19.05
Well, you know,
the moon is round,
00:40:19.08\00:40:20.42
the sun is round
but the earth is flat.
00:40:20.45\00:40:23.02
The wall, and I like
how you bring that up,
00:40:23.05\00:40:25.39
just in case, you
just joined the program,
00:40:25.42\00:40:28.19
I'm not doing your program.
00:40:28.22\00:40:29.56
But some people say
that there's Antarctica wall.
00:40:29.59\00:40:31.89
Yeah, it's...
00:40:31.93\00:40:33.26
That holds the
water of the earth in?
00:40:33.29\00:40:35.40
Ice wall, 150
foot ice wall around,
00:40:35.43\00:40:38.13
that's what keeps the water in.
00:40:38.17\00:40:40.00
And the sun goes
around like this, you know.
00:40:40.04\00:40:43.94
And so if the wall comes
down, what happens to the water?
00:40:43.97\00:40:46.94
Well, then it's going to be
the end of the earth, I guess.
00:40:46.98\00:40:48.78
We'd get drained.
00:40:48.81\00:40:50.15
Yeah, you are right.
It falls of the edge.
00:40:50.18\00:40:53.11
I mean, that's an amazing...
00:40:53.15\00:40:56.55
I don't know what you
call it, thesis or antithesis.
00:40:56.58\00:41:00.02
They come up with answers
for everything, you know.
00:41:00.06\00:41:03.02
Yeah.
00:41:03.06\00:41:04.39
But if you like to...
00:41:04.43\00:41:07.90
And I think it'll be really good
00:41:07.93\00:41:09.26
to invite you to
come and talk about
00:41:09.30\00:41:10.63
some of these things
00:41:10.67\00:41:12.00
because, Jim, when
you think about it,
00:41:12.03\00:41:13.37
what is the real
issue for this hour?
00:41:13.40\00:41:16.67
Jesus is
coming. Jesus is coming.
00:41:16.71\00:41:18.54
The coming of Jesus.
00:41:18.57\00:41:20.14
You know, it's...
00:41:20.18\00:41:22.58
People are more interested
now than I've ever seen before.
00:41:22.61\00:41:26.65
In the last day events,
00:41:26.68\00:41:29.18
you know, I
walked into Greasemonkey,
00:41:29.22\00:41:31.42
and the guy says,
00:41:31.45\00:41:32.79
"Your car is serviced,
ready to go, here's the key,
00:41:32.82\00:41:34.29
but I like your
reading material."
00:41:34.32\00:41:35.66
I said to him,
"Man, if you like that,
00:41:35.69\00:41:37.49
I've got a video to
go along with that."
00:41:37.53\00:41:38.86
I went to my office
and got him a video.
00:41:38.89\00:41:40.23
And every time I go,
00:41:40.26\00:41:41.60
I took him
another video and finally,
00:41:41.63\00:41:42.96
he's got about 10 videos.
00:41:43.00\00:41:44.33
He says, "I watched
everything you've given me,"
00:41:44.37\00:41:45.70
he says, "There's
nothing on television to watch.
00:41:45.73\00:41:47.07
But let me tell you,
00:41:47.10\00:41:48.44
you gave me a documentary
on Hitler and Daniel 2.
00:41:48.47\00:41:51.21
I gave it to an atheist friend,
00:41:51.24\00:41:52.67
he has watched it over,
and over, and over again."
00:41:52.71\00:41:55.91
I said, "Well,
if that's the case,
00:41:55.94\00:41:57.28
I want to get you Pascal's Wager
00:41:57.31\00:41:58.75
by David Asscherick, and
then What Wondrous Love,"
00:41:58.78\00:42:00.78
he needs to follow that up.
00:42:00.82\00:42:02.52
And then I see him at Walmart,
00:42:02.55\00:42:03.89
he says, you know, I
said, "You need more videos."
00:42:03.92\00:42:07.16
"I need five more
Daniel 2 and Hitler," he said,
00:42:07.19\00:42:09.92
"I'm witnessing
some of my employees."
00:42:09.96\00:42:11.76
And so if you go there now,
you'll see our literature...
00:42:11.79\00:42:15.83
He says, "I'm
starting a Bible study group
00:42:15.86\00:42:17.33
and I'm using your
videos for Bible study."
00:42:17.37\00:42:19.43
You see...
00:42:19.47\00:42:22.64
The end is coming
fast and in Matthew 24:14,
00:42:22.67\00:42:26.74
you know, it tells,
00:42:26.78\00:42:28.11
"The famines and
pests and earthquake
00:42:28.14\00:42:29.48
but the end is not yet."
00:42:29.51\00:42:30.85
And then if you
look at verse 14,
00:42:30.88\00:42:32.91
"The gospel will be preached
and then the end will come."
00:42:32.95\00:42:35.28
And that is happening, like,
00:42:35.32\00:42:36.69
you can't believe
because out of Guam, AWR,
00:42:36.72\00:42:42.16
they are getting
five million Muslims a day
00:42:42.19\00:42:45.09
downloading our
sermons, five million a day.
00:42:45.13\00:42:47.66
And out of China,
00:42:47.70\00:42:49.03
it's varying from 9
to 11 million a day.
00:42:49.06\00:42:51.53
And you look at what's happening
00:42:51.57\00:42:52.90
like the 3ABN in Russia.
00:42:52.93\00:42:54.60
So, you know, we
see the gospel going,
00:42:54.64\00:42:58.37
like, crazy and,
you know, Jesus said,
00:42:58.41\00:43:02.94
I mean, Ellen White said
00:43:02.98\00:43:04.31
when Jesus
healed the 10 leapers,
00:43:04.35\00:43:06.11
only 1 came back.
00:43:06.15\00:43:07.52
And she says,
"Don't be discouraged,
00:43:07.55\00:43:09.25
if you only get 1 in 10."
00:43:09.28\00:43:10.62
That's right.
00:43:10.65\00:43:11.99
But, you know,
what I see happening,
00:43:12.02\00:43:13.36
we're getting a
lot more right now
00:43:13.39\00:43:14.72
because people are interested
in this kind of stuff.
00:43:14.76\00:43:18.69
We have a mailman,
00:43:18.73\00:43:20.10
a Catholic mailman
and I'm sharing videos,
00:43:20.13\00:43:22.83
I have videos, I share
almost 500-1,000 a year
00:43:22.86\00:43:26.27
with everybody,
00:43:26.30\00:43:27.64
I don't know how many watch,
but at least we're sharing.
00:43:27.67\00:43:29.37
And I'm sharing some
of this to the mailman
00:43:29.40\00:43:30.91
and he's a reformed Catholic,
and he says, "Man, I like...
00:43:30.94\00:43:34.21
Could I pass out the
ones you have on creation
00:43:34.24\00:43:36.91
on my mail route."
00:43:36.95\00:43:38.28
A Catholic man, and I
called institute, ICR...
00:43:38.31\00:43:41.02
I said, "Can I
make 50 of these?"
00:43:41.05\00:43:42.68
The Institute of
Creation and Research.
00:43:42.72\00:43:44.05
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:44.09\00:43:45.42
And so he's passing on his route
00:43:45.45\00:43:46.86
and Lord only knows how many,
I don't remember, it's been...
00:43:46.89\00:43:49.09
started 10 years ago.
00:43:49.12\00:43:50.46
They moved him East to
town, and now he's out,
00:43:50.49\00:43:52.39
so he called me up and he said,
00:43:52.43\00:43:54.06
"I need more
videos for my new route,"
00:43:54.10\00:43:55.63
he says, "Can you
give me any more videos?"
00:43:55.66\00:43:57.13
I sent him more videos.
00:43:57.17\00:43:58.50
Then I called him
again, he's retired.
00:43:58.53\00:44:00.44
And he says,
00:44:00.47\00:44:01.80
"My whole
retirement is ministry,"
00:44:01.84\00:44:03.17
he's doing prison ministries,
00:44:03.20\00:44:04.54
he's doing a Bible study groups,
00:44:04.57\00:44:05.91
he's using our stuff
in his Bible study groups
00:44:05.94\00:44:08.08
but it was kind of interesting
'cause I was telling him,
00:44:08.11\00:44:09.88
I said, you know,
Matthew 24:14 says,
00:44:09.91\00:44:12.48
"The gospel is preached,
then the end will come."
00:44:12.51\00:44:15.28
And he picked up on
this Catholic command,
00:44:15.32\00:44:17.79
picked up on
this Catholic command,
00:44:17.82\00:44:19.42
he's a reformed Catholic,
00:44:19.45\00:44:21.12
he says,
00:44:21.16\00:44:22.86
"That means we're so
sick and tired of seeing
00:44:22.89\00:44:25.56
the persecution, the
Christian persecution,
00:44:25.59\00:44:27.50
that's going on in the world,
00:44:27.53\00:44:28.86
that means if we
get the gospel out,
00:44:28.90\00:44:30.67
we can help put an
end to the persecution."
00:44:30.70\00:44:33.07
Exactly, exactly.
00:44:33.10\00:44:34.90
And, you know, just to,
00:44:34.94\00:44:36.37
put another pin in
the tail of the donkey,
00:44:36.40\00:44:39.14
so to speak,
00:44:39.17\00:44:40.51
is that the gospel
is covering the globe
00:44:40.54\00:44:44.85
from 3ABN through
various satellites.
00:44:44.88\00:44:48.28
Yeah, right. Okay.
00:44:48.32\00:44:49.65
You'd be out of business.
00:44:49.68\00:44:51.02
We would be out of business,
00:44:51.05\00:44:52.39
if there was no such
thing as a satellite,
00:44:52.42\00:44:53.76
those of you who
believe in the flat earth.
00:44:53.79\00:44:55.22
If there was no such
thing as a satellite...
00:44:55.26\00:44:57.49
You can't see us.
00:44:57.53\00:44:58.86
You wouldn't be
able to see us in Russia.
00:44:58.89\00:45:00.60
You wouldn't be able to
see us down in New Guinea.
00:45:00.63\00:45:02.30
You wouldn't be able to see
us in southern parts of the...
00:45:02.33\00:45:04.20
because we have, I
think, 9 or 11 satellites
00:45:04.23\00:45:06.74
from which 3ABN is
bouncing around the world.
00:45:06.77\00:45:09.67
You know, so this whole ideology
00:45:09.70\00:45:12.11
and people that
live out in the...
00:45:12.14\00:45:14.21
We know that here
because we live in it,
00:45:14.24\00:45:16.54
we're in a very rural community.
00:45:16.58\00:45:18.58
And not like cities
where they could run cabling
00:45:18.61\00:45:21.15
from
neighborhood to neighborhood,
00:45:21.18\00:45:22.52
some people can't get
Internet, but HughesNet,
00:45:22.55\00:45:25.65
which is a satellite
Internet service allows people
00:45:25.69\00:45:28.66
that are in remote
areas, on mountainsides,
00:45:28.69\00:45:30.93
mountaintops to get Internet
00:45:30.96\00:45:32.43
because they
send up to a satellite
00:45:32.46\00:45:34.10
and it gets a little delay
00:45:34.13\00:45:35.46
because it has to go
up and come back down.
00:45:35.50\00:45:36.83
Yeah, that's a proof...
00:45:36.87\00:45:38.20
That's a proof.
00:45:38.23\00:45:39.57
That the
satellites are 23,000 miles
00:45:39.60\00:45:40.94
because you see it all the time,
00:45:40.97\00:45:42.30
you're talking to somebody,
00:45:42.34\00:45:43.67
and, you know,
they're interviewing somebody
00:45:43.71\00:45:45.04
and they ask him a
question and there's a pause.
00:45:45.07\00:45:46.41
Right. Right.
00:45:46.44\00:45:47.78
Timing.
00:45:47.81\00:45:49.14
'Cause he's got to hear
it, and then he answers,
00:45:49.18\00:45:50.51
you know, so you see that pause
00:45:50.55\00:45:51.88
that's only because
00:45:51.91\00:45:53.25
it's 23,500 miles
out the satellites are.
00:45:53.28\00:45:54.62
That's right.
00:45:54.65\00:45:55.98
And even if you
do shortwave radio,
00:45:56.02\00:45:57.35
I have a guy
that's in the Caribbean,
00:45:57.39\00:45:58.72
he's a shortwave
radio enthusiast.
00:45:58.75\00:46:00.56
And he talks about how
he communicates with people
00:46:00.59\00:46:02.36
around the world, he talks about
00:46:02.39\00:46:03.86
the waves bouncing off the ocean
00:46:03.89\00:46:05.49
and just surrounding the earth,
00:46:05.53\00:46:07.06
and they study these things
because if the earth was flat,
00:46:07.10\00:46:11.07
you know, he said,
"It couldn't happen."
00:46:11.10\00:46:12.90
So, you know, we know,
God's Word is reliable.
00:46:12.93\00:46:16.00
So now, Jim, if you
were saying to somebody,
00:46:16.04\00:46:17.97
well, flat around,
we pointed out that,
00:46:18.01\00:46:20.98
it really didn't
matter either way,
00:46:21.01\00:46:22.38
although we know and believe
00:46:22.41\00:46:23.75
and have evidence
that the earth is round.
00:46:23.78\00:46:25.95
And all you got to do
is just take a plane ride.
00:46:25.98\00:46:27.65
That's it.
00:46:27.68\00:46:29.02
Just take a plane ride,
00:46:29.05\00:46:30.39
save yourself all the hours
of useless reading material,
00:46:30.42\00:46:33.56
just get a ticket,
00:46:33.59\00:46:34.96
take a plane
ride, or if you want to
00:46:34.99\00:46:37.16
go to the tallest
building in New York
00:46:37.19\00:46:40.03
or the tallest
building in Los Angeles
00:46:40.06\00:46:42.20
just a little bit before sunset
00:46:42.23\00:46:44.40
and go up in the
elevator as the sun is setting,
00:46:44.43\00:46:46.60
well, go to the Burj
Khalifa down in Dubai,
00:46:46.63\00:46:49.40
and you begin to see
00:46:49.44\00:46:50.77
how the building is half sun
and half darkness, half shade.
00:46:50.81\00:46:55.98
That's amazing things,
00:46:56.01\00:46:57.35
but to encourage our
viewers and listeners,
00:46:57.38\00:47:00.48
let's direct them to the
things that are very valuable,
00:47:00.52\00:47:03.35
what do we do.
00:47:03.39\00:47:05.39
No one was ever saved by
a flat earth, round earth.
00:47:05.42\00:47:07.66
That's right.
00:47:07.69\00:47:09.02
You know, theology or
preaching or trying to...
00:47:09.06\00:47:10.93
I mean, these distractions
we see go around our churches.
00:47:10.96\00:47:15.23
People get on to
their hobby horse
00:47:15.26\00:47:17.47
under soapbox and think,
00:47:17.50\00:47:19.60
"You need to do this or that,
00:47:19.63\00:47:21.77
you know, you need
to be keeping the fees,"
00:47:21.80\00:47:23.81
I mean, if they want to
keep the fees, that's fine.
00:47:23.84\00:47:25.67
But I don't think they
should disrupt the church
00:47:25.71\00:47:28.21
or talk about flat earth.
00:47:28.24\00:47:29.74
Let's talk about the end
times, Jesus is coming soon,
00:47:29.78\00:47:32.98
let's try to direct whatever
that conversation comes up,
00:47:33.01\00:47:36.55
whatever it is that,
00:47:36.58\00:47:38.12
you know, let's
try to redirect that
00:47:38.15\00:47:40.32
to the soon coming of Jesus.
00:47:40.36\00:47:41.96
That's right.
00:47:41.99\00:47:43.86
And, you know, Jim,
00:47:43.89\00:47:45.23
one of the things
that came to my mind,
00:47:45.26\00:47:46.83
and this is our...
00:47:46.86\00:47:50.47
this is our inflatable earth,
00:47:50.50\00:47:53.40
what I remember and
this just came to my mind
00:47:53.44\00:47:56.94
whether it is
inspirational or not,
00:47:56.97\00:47:58.31
I don't know, but I
think it fits right here.
00:47:58.34\00:48:01.88
I've seen a person
00:48:01.91\00:48:03.48
take an
expedition to the North Pole,
00:48:03.51\00:48:07.65
and right where that
flag exists at the North Pole.
00:48:07.68\00:48:10.39
And what they did is
they walked around in a circle
00:48:10.42\00:48:13.12
and they went from
time zone, remember that?
00:48:13.15\00:48:16.66
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:16.69\00:48:18.03
You know, from time zone,
right now they're at Greenwich,
00:48:18.06\00:48:20.16
they walked around that circle
00:48:20.20\00:48:23.06
and went from
time zone to time zone.
00:48:23.10\00:48:24.43
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:24.47\00:48:25.80
Which as you go further
out, they go farther apart
00:48:25.83\00:48:28.97
because the earth is
spherical, it's amazing.
00:48:29.00\00:48:31.51
And also when we fly out of,
00:48:31.54\00:48:33.31
you know, I've been to
Russia and Europe many times,
00:48:33.34\00:48:35.28
you fly out of Chicago,
00:48:35.31\00:48:37.38
you know, you go
over the Arctic Circle
00:48:37.41\00:48:39.11
because it's
shorter going this way
00:48:39.15\00:48:40.98
than going all
the way around here...
00:48:41.02\00:48:42.72
They save fuel. They save fuel.
00:48:42.75\00:48:44.49
Yeah, you go
through the Arctic circle
00:48:44.52\00:48:46.22
and you can look down,
00:48:46.25\00:48:47.59
I mean, on these
international flights,
00:48:47.62\00:48:49.72
you get the Google thing
00:48:49.76\00:48:51.09
and you can see Greenland,
00:48:51.13\00:48:52.46
you can see Iceland,
you can see all that stuff.
00:48:52.49\00:48:54.40
And you know,
00:48:54.43\00:48:55.76
you know, that we're
going here to save time,
00:48:55.80\00:48:58.77
save fuel rather than
going around that way.
00:48:58.80\00:49:00.67
And I've flown that
route from Chicago to London.
00:49:00.70\00:49:04.61
And you see on the map,
some of these nice new jets
00:49:04.64\00:49:07.78
they have the
moving map where are we.
00:49:07.81\00:49:09.14
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:09.18\00:49:10.51
And you can see and
that they're going up
00:49:10.55\00:49:12.75
and they're going over,
00:49:12.78\00:49:14.12
make the flight shorter
00:49:14.15\00:49:15.48
as compared to going to New York
00:49:15.52\00:49:17.32
or flying from Miami
trying to go all way around,
00:49:17.35\00:49:19.85
that's a ton of fuel.
00:49:19.89\00:49:21.52
And they found ways,
00:49:21.56\00:49:22.89
creative ways to
make that journey shorter
00:49:22.92\00:49:25.63
because the earth
is round or spherical.
00:49:25.66\00:49:28.00
Yeah, yeah.
00:49:28.03\00:49:29.36
Now I want to be able to give
the listeners and the viewers
00:49:29.40\00:49:32.10
some information to be
able to get in touch with you
00:49:32.13\00:49:34.17
because we know
00:49:34.20\00:49:35.54
that you have an
amazing ministry.
00:49:35.57\00:49:37.97
Talk about some of
the other resources
00:49:38.01\00:49:39.34
you have before I
give the information?
00:49:39.37\00:49:41.21
Well, you can go to YouTube
00:49:41.24\00:49:43.08
and watch our
programs on YouTube,
00:49:43.11\00:49:45.18
if you put in YouTube
00:49:45.21\00:49:46.55
and put in Jim
Burr Heavens Declare,
00:49:46.58\00:49:48.55
you can see, I don't know,
00:49:48.58\00:49:50.55
30, 40 programs
they're on in Russian.
00:49:50.59\00:49:52.72
But they're hard
to find on Russia
00:49:52.75\00:49:55.22
unless you speak Russian
00:49:55.26\00:49:56.59
and can type and what you
need to type in to get there.
00:49:56.62\00:50:00.20
But we travel...
00:50:00.23\00:50:02.36
I speak about 100 times a year,
we travel and do camp meetings,
00:50:02.40\00:50:06.70
we're still booked,
00:50:06.74\00:50:08.07
we have Carolina
Conference booked
00:50:08.10\00:50:09.44
three years
ahead for camp meeting.
00:50:09.47\00:50:10.81
I say that's a lot of things,
00:50:10.84\00:50:12.17
I don't know, if
I'd live that long.
00:50:12.21\00:50:13.54
I'm 80 years, 80 trips
around the sun already.
00:50:13.58\00:50:16.08
But I love sharing,
00:50:16.11\00:50:17.48
I just this weekend
came from Melbourne, Florida.
00:50:17.51\00:50:20.78
I love traveling and
witnessing for the Lord
00:50:20.82\00:50:24.39
and I always pray
before I get on the plane.
00:50:24.42\00:50:26.32
Lord, if there's somebody
who wants me to talk to...
00:50:26.35\00:50:27.76
I sat next to a doctor
00:50:27.79\00:50:29.12
from San Paulo going to Atlanta.
00:50:29.16\00:50:32.39
And I prayed and shared
some stuff and she says,
00:50:32.43\00:50:36.13
"I think God wanted me
00:50:36.16\00:50:37.50
to sit next to
you on the plane."
00:50:37.53\00:50:38.87
I've had people say this
was a divine appointment,
00:50:38.90\00:50:40.87
you know, and so you
look for those opportunities
00:50:40.90\00:50:43.97
that people that we
interact with every day
00:50:44.01\00:50:45.64
but, yes, if we
can come and speak
00:50:45.67\00:50:47.41
at your church, love to do that,
00:50:47.44\00:50:49.24
and I can't do this
forever, you know, at my age,
00:50:49.28\00:50:51.68
but I am still able to do it.
00:50:51.71\00:50:53.55
And even come back from Russia,
27 hours, okay, no sleep.
00:50:53.58\00:50:57.19
I was home three days,
00:50:57.22\00:50:58.55
I'm off to Florida
to do another seminar.
00:50:58.59\00:50:59.92
That's right.
00:50:59.95\00:51:01.29
That was a test to see
how much energy I've got,
00:51:01.32\00:51:03.06
you know, and it worked.
00:51:03.09\00:51:04.76
You may have so many
cycles around the earth.
00:51:04.79\00:51:07.50
That's another thing,
00:51:07.53\00:51:08.86
how do you calculate
your age if the earth is flat.
00:51:08.90\00:51:12.80
All these very plausible
and legitimate questions
00:51:12.83\00:51:15.10
that people don't ask.
00:51:15.14\00:51:16.47
But they just jump
onboard with a theory.
00:51:16.50\00:51:18.87
Any time you come here,
00:51:18.91\00:51:20.24
you know, I look
back at the programs
00:51:20.28\00:51:21.61
that you've done here
before and on behalf of 3ABN,
00:51:21.64\00:51:23.61
I want to thank
you for your dedication
00:51:23.65\00:51:26.11
to these great
programs about the heavens.
00:51:26.15\00:51:28.72
You've done some about Orion,
00:51:28.75\00:51:30.89
I remember, one
you did about Orion,
00:51:30.92\00:51:32.39
that's an amazing program,
is that on the Internet?
00:51:32.42\00:51:34.59
Yeah, program
twelve of Heavens Declare
00:51:34.62\00:51:37.13
you can find that one,
and look at program seven,
00:51:37.16\00:51:38.99
that's the amazing one
00:51:39.03\00:51:40.36
where Hubble zooms
in on all these stars,
00:51:40.40\00:51:41.86
that's an amazing...
00:51:41.90\00:51:43.23
Program seven is
amazing video clip.
00:51:43.26\00:51:46.20
And Hubble is another way,
you want to look at Hubble?
00:51:46.23\00:51:50.14
The evidences are there for...
00:51:50.17\00:51:51.51
I guess, you could see
where we are somewhat convinced
00:51:51.54\00:51:54.61
that God has given
us enough evidence,
00:51:54.64\00:51:56.54
science has, astronomy has,
00:51:56.58\00:51:58.18
NASA has, and we've come
to the conclusion that yes,
00:51:58.21\00:52:01.48
the earth is, in fact, a sphere,
00:52:01.52\00:52:03.92
and you're
living somewhere on it.
00:52:03.95\00:52:06.19
Wherever you're
watching us from,
00:52:06.22\00:52:07.89
we thank you for all
that you do for 3ABN.
00:52:07.92\00:52:10.33
We're going to take a
short break, a news break.
00:52:10.36\00:52:12.59
And after the news
break, we'll come back
00:52:12.63\00:52:14.30
with just a few
closing thoughts,
00:52:14.33\00:52:16.36
so don't go away,
we'll be right back.
00:52:16.40\00:52:19.03