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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:12 We are so glad that you're joining us again. 01:15 Excuse me if my voice is a little froggy. 01:17 But just wanted to take this opportunity 01:20 to thank you so much 01:21 for your love, and your prayers, 01:23 and your financial support of this ministry. 01:26 We have an exciting guest and an exciting topic. 01:30 We gonna hear a testimony, 01:31 and we'll also hear 01:35 some really good prophetic information. 01:38 Before I introduce our guest, 01:40 I wanted to read to you Daniel 2:22. 01:43 This is where King Nebuchadnezzar had a dream. 01:47 He was the king of Babylon. 01:49 He had this dream actually that God gave him 01:52 and nobody can interpret it, 01:54 but Daniel the prophet stood up and said, 01:57 "Bless be the name of the Lord because God can interpret." 02:00 And in verse 22, he says, He speaking of God, 02:05 "Reveals deep and secret things, 02:08 He knows what is in the darkness, 02:10 and light dwells with him." 02:11 Do you realize in 150 words, 02:14 Daniel interprets this dream 02:18 that covers 2,500 years of earth's history 02:23 starting with Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, 02:27 divided Rome which is what we call. 02:29 Today, we call that modern Europe, 02:32 and it was these prophecies of the Book of Daniel 02:37 that convinced Sir Isaac Newton, 02:39 that the Bible was absolute truth. 02:44 And it also, 02:46 it's the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation 02:50 that convinced our guest today 02:52 that the Bible is the Word of God. 02:54 Let me introduce you to Jason D. Morgan. 02:58 Jason, we are so glad that you're here with us today. 03:01 Thank you for having. Glad to be here. 03:03 Well, you are with the North Pacific Union Conference. 03:06 That's right. What do you do within? 03:08 Well, there's two evangelists 03:09 that work for the North Pacific Union Conference, 03:11 Brian McMahon and myself, so we do full time evangelism. 03:14 Praise the Lord. 03:16 And I want to ask you, don't let me forget to ask you 03:18 before the end of this program 03:20 about the effectiveness of public evangelism 03:23 'cause I know we're gonna talk about your testimony 03:26 and about a book that you've recently written. 03:29 And this is something that is very exciting. 03:31 I'm just gonna tease to the book. 03:33 The name of the book is, "The Islam Distraction". 03:38 Now, that ought to peak your curiosity, 03:41 but before we begin, 03:43 I know this is your first visit to 3ABN, 03:46 but you watch 3ABN all the time, 03:48 so you know that we like to begin with music. 03:50 Absolutely. 03:52 And so we want to invite our guest 03:54 who is going to sing a beautiful song for us, 03:57 and this is Pam Lister. 03:58 She will sing, "Written in Red". 04:14 In letters of crimson 04:19 God wrote His love 04:23 On the hillside so long 04:27 Long ago 04:31 For you and for me 04:36 Jesus died 04:41 Love's greatest story 04:46 Was told 04:52 I love you 04:57 I love you 05:02 That's what 05:05 Calvary said 05:11 I love you 05:16 I love you 05:23 I love you 05:26 Written in red 05:40 Down through the ages 05:44 God wrote His love 05:49 With the same hands that suffered 05:54 And bled 05:58 Giving all 06:03 That he had to give 06:07 A message 06:09 So easily read 06:16 I love you 06:21 I love you 06:26 That's 06:28 What Calvary said 06:35 I love you 06:39 I love you 06:46 I love you 06:52 Oh, precious 06:56 Is the flow 07:01 That makes me 07:05 White as snow 07:11 No other fount 07:16 I know 07:19 Nothing 07:21 But the blood of Jesus 07:28 I love you 07:32 I love you 07:37 That's what 07:40 Calvary said 07:46 I love you 07:51 I love you 07:58 I love you 08:01 Written 08:07 In red 08:28 How precious. 08:30 What a beautiful song, 08:31 the words to that when we think about it. 08:33 That is the message of Calvary. 08:36 I love you, written in red, and we thank Pam Lister. 08:39 We were just commenting how easy her delivery is, 08:43 it's just out preciousness to it. 08:46 So thank you very much. 08:48 Well, if you are just joining us, 08:50 our special guest today is, 08:52 Jason D, I want to make sure I got that D in there, 08:55 Jason D, Morgan, 08:56 and he is a full time evangelist 08:58 for the North Pacific Union Conference. 09:00 He also has ministry of his own which is, Prophetic Facts. 09:06 That's right. 09:07 And, so we're gonna talk about that a little more. 09:10 But before we jump into what you're currently doing, 09:16 I always am so thrilled to hear 09:21 how God reaches people. 09:23 How He reaches down and touches you. 09:26 Not only did you go 09:27 through a conversion in your life 09:29 'cause you didn't grow up 09:31 in the typical Christian atmosphere. 09:35 But not only not did God convert you, 09:37 but He called you to ministry, so back us up, 09:40 tell us about your childhood? 09:41 Well, I was born and raised in New Orleans, Louisiana. 09:45 I had three brothers 09:47 and I credit my mother 09:48 for instilling in us principles, 09:51 you know, Christian principles 09:52 but my father wasn't a believer. 09:55 And he was in the military. 09:57 He was a demolition specialist in Vietnam. 09:59 He was a Green Beret. 10:01 So he saw a lot of action there. 10:03 Yes. Lot of... 10:05 Devastating events. 10:07 Exactly it was, 10:08 and so, you know, we grew up in a divided home. 10:13 And where were you in the pecking order? 10:15 Three. You were the third son. 10:17 I had two older brothers. Okay. 10:19 Yeah, and so, you know, 10:21 I grew up in a home 10:23 where there's just a lot of fighting, 10:26 and a lot of battles and they eventually divorced. 10:29 And, but, you know, 10:31 it wasn't until my brother passed away 10:32 in a car accident. 10:34 Then I really stopped to really think about 10:36 my future and eternal life. 10:39 I looked up to him, we're year and a half apart. 10:41 And how old was he when...? 10:43 He was 17 when he passed away. Seventeen? 10:45 Tell us that story? 10:46 Well, he had friends. 10:49 They're on their way to a party, 10:50 a weekend party. 10:52 And I wanted to go. 10:53 And his friends... 10:55 And then you are not quite 15. 10:56 Not quite 15 and, you know, I just wanted to be with them, 11:00 you know. And it was fun. 11:02 And I got in the vehicle with him, 11:03 and they're about to drive out of the driveway, 11:05 my mother came outside and, you know, she said, 11:07 "You're not old enough to go away for the weekend. 11:10 You need to get out of the truck." 11:12 And of course, I said, 11:13 "No, I wanted to be there, I wanted to go." 11:15 So I put up a fight like any teenager would. 11:18 And she was very persistent but I felt this conviction, 11:23 "Get out of the truck, don't go." 11:25 And I was fighting that. 11:27 And eventually, you know, my mother won. 11:29 I got out reluctantly and they took off. 11:34 And a few hours later we got the news 11:36 that they were driving on a country road 11:40 and they were passing up a hay truck. 11:42 And they were going about 90 miles per hour 11:43 and they went through a caution line section. 11:47 And they hit a vehicle head on going 90 miles per hour 11:50 and it killed all three of them in that crash. 11:52 And that really allowed me to think about, 11:56 you know, I looked up to him so much 11:58 that how mortal I was, 12:00 you know, how important life is as a gift. 12:01 Did you see 12:03 that God had spared your life then or, 12:05 how does that something that as you look back on it? 12:09 Well, initially it was so devastating 12:11 to lose someone you love that I wasn't thinking that. 12:13 But, you know, after the funeral and hindsight, 12:15 I begin to realize that God was speaking to me. 12:18 You know, He was wanting me to get out of the truck, 12:19 He had something that He wanted me to do 12:22 and I didn't know that at the time. 12:24 But in hindsight, yes, God was, 12:26 He was speaking to my conscience. 12:28 Yeah. And I'm glad I responded. 12:29 Oh, amen. Amen. 12:32 So, then you began, did you go to college, 12:37 or did you begin your working career, 12:39 what did you do with your life? 12:40 Well, it was such a blow to the family, 12:42 we decided, 12:43 my mother raised all four of us by herself 12:46 for the most part. 12:47 And she decided, 12:48 she wanted to move out of that environment. 12:50 So we moved to Dallas, Texas. Okay. 12:53 And I started going to school there. 12:55 Didn't have many friends 12:56 because I was about 16 at the time. 12:59 I was looking for discipline in my life. 13:02 I wanted discipline 13:03 and I found it in weightlifting, 13:06 competitive body building. 13:08 So for the next five years from that point on, 13:10 I graduated from high school 13:12 and started a career in competitive body building. 13:15 That's interesting. 13:16 You know, I don't, 13:18 I guess I never really contemplated 13:20 the idea of somebody just saying, 13:21 "Hey, I'm gonna do this as a career." 13:23 But it was a career for you. 13:25 For me at the time, it was something that I needed. 13:27 I needed something to keep me focused. 13:29 And I enjoyed weightlifting, I enjoyed athletics 13:32 and, you know, one thing led to another 13:34 and I just began and become consumed with it 13:37 and started competing. 13:39 And it was five years into that 13:42 is when really the Lord began to give me, 13:45 you know, 13:47 He began to come into my life in a very powerful way. 13:50 Praise God. Yeah. 13:51 So continue your journey 13:52 from weightlifting in five years. 13:54 What was next? 13:56 Well, weightlifting after my competition, 13:58 I worked as correctional officer 14:00 in the prison system. 14:02 And I would work the picket, 14:04 I take inmates in and out of their cell to do, 14:08 you know, they call housecleaning 14:10 where they go and they look for contraband 14:11 and I would work a rotating shift, 14:13 and I remember taking 14:15 some inmates that want to go to the library. 14:16 They had to be escorted. 14:18 So I took them to library and I found a book. 14:20 I was working in the night shift. 14:22 And when you work in the night shift, 14:24 you do your rounds 14:25 but you have a lot of time 14:26 to read or to do whatever you do. 14:28 And, so they were checking books 14:30 out for the night and I found a book 14:31 that caught my attention. 14:33 It was just a book on prophecy, 14:34 and I took it to the picket and I began to read it. 14:37 And a little background, 14:40 a local Seventh-day Adventist 14:41 had donated some books to the prison. 14:43 Yes. 14:44 And I picked one book that was going over. 14:48 As you mentioned Daniel 2, 14:49 lot of the prophecies of Daniel 2 and 7 14:51 and Revelation 13. 14:53 And I was just convicted and convinced 14:56 on the validity of Bible prophecy. 14:58 I had never in my life seen something so accurate... 15:02 That God can predict, not just the future, 15:05 not just kingdoms and time prophecies, 15:06 but even acts of individuals... 15:08 Amen. 15:10 Thousands of years in advance. I was overwhelmed. 15:13 So reading that book really got my attention on scripture. 15:16 I was convinced 15:18 that the Bible was inspired by God. 15:20 So I went back to the library. 15:22 After I finished that book, another night, 15:24 take another inmate to the library and I found... 15:27 You finished the book in one night? 15:30 It was about two days. Okay. 15:31 Yeah, in about two days I finished the book. 15:32 It was a short book. 15:34 But the next book caught my attention 15:36 just a title on the back spine of the book, 15:39 The Desire of Ages. 15:41 And I said to myself, 15:43 "I wonder what this book is all about?" 15:44 So I took the book off the shelf, 15:46 went into the picket, 15:47 began to read the first chapter. 15:50 And I just could not put the book down. 15:51 Praise God. 15:53 It was an amazing book on the life of Christ. 15:55 Every chapter, I see my life was changing. 15:58 And I was raised in the home with my father. 16:01 And his influence that, you know, you just don't cry. 16:04 You know what I mean? Yeah, you're a man. 16:06 Yeah, you don't cry and military background 16:08 and I tell you, I was fighting the tears 16:10 because here's the Son of God leaving His throne 16:15 and coming down to this earth 16:17 and giving His life as a sacrifice for our sins. 16:20 Taking what we deserve, 16:22 you know, that we might have what He deserves. 16:24 It's just amazing and it convicted me. 16:28 I was eating six to eight meals a day. 16:31 High protein, carbs, 16:33 you know, body building, it's vein sport. 16:36 You eat a lot of food, 16:37 you're going to gym 16:39 so that you can look better than the next guy, you know. 16:42 And as I was reading this book 16:44 and following the life of Jesus. 16:46 I became convicted 16:48 that my hobby was self centered. 16:51 Amen. 16:52 You know, yeah, and, you know, in that book 16:55 I think we're told 16:56 the worth of a soul in comparison with it, 16:59 world's sink into insignificance. 17:02 I just could not believe 17:03 that God would value humanity that much 17:07 that He would give His only begotten Son 17:09 that we may have eternal lives. 17:10 So that book, 17:12 when I finished the book, it was over. 17:13 I was broken. 17:15 I accepted Jesus as my personal savior. 17:17 Praise God. 17:19 So did you know it was written by a Seventh-day Adventist? 17:23 Or how did you come 17:24 into the Seventh-day Adventist church? 17:25 I did know. 17:27 Actually my mother had 17:28 a set of Conflict of The Ages series. 17:30 Yeah, so I was aware. 17:31 So your mom was Seventh-day Adventist? 17:33 She had Seventh-day Adventist background. 17:35 Okay. All right, so you were aware. 17:37 And then how did you then trek... 17:40 You accepted Christ as your personal savior? 17:43 Right. 17:44 How did you then end up in the church? 17:47 Well, the book was donated 17:49 by a local Seventh-day Adventist. 17:50 Okay. 17:51 And he was giving Bible studies at the prison. 17:54 So he, I got to know him working at the prison. 17:57 So he invited me to the local church, 17:59 and as I went to the local church 18:01 at that time, 18:02 I began to worship with them 18:03 and learn more about the Seventh-day Adventist faith 18:07 and, you know, what we believe. 18:09 And that's how I got involved. 18:11 But I had to switch jobs because of the Sabbath issue. 18:12 I was working on rotating shift on the weekends 18:16 and in order to keep the Sabbath, 18:17 I couldn't work there anymore. 18:18 So I took a job 18:20 with office depot as a delivery driver. 18:23 And worked there for about two years 18:24 before began the work at ministry. 18:27 Or did the Sabbath ever become an issue for you there? 18:30 It did, you know, every Friday I lived about an hour away 18:36 from the base 18:37 where I would get in my truck 18:39 and take off to do my deliveries. 18:40 And every Friday morning 18:42 I get there early to do my paperwork 18:44 and go out and deliver all the, 18:48 you know, the mail and deliveries 18:49 that we give out and try to get back early, 18:52 because I wanted to get home because of rush hour, 18:54 to beat the rush hour to get back for the Sabbath. 18:59 And, you know, it's interesting. 19:03 One Friday I was doing my route. 19:06 I got done early. 19:07 I went to clock out and my manager said, listen, 19:10 we've got a whole pallet of paper 19:13 that we want you to take to Bank of America. 19:16 So we need you to load this truck up 19:17 and go to Las Colinas which is near Dallas, Texas. 19:19 Yes. And there's 12 stories. 19:22 It's pretty big place and delivered this paper. 19:25 It was about 3:30, sun down is about 5:00 or 5:30. 19:28 This is about a six hour job, specially in traffic. 19:32 So I reluctantly said, 19:33 "You know, I can't do this because the Sabbath is coming." 19:37 And I tried to explain the best I could, why. 19:40 And he said, 19:41 "Listen, we need you to take this there. 19:44 I mean, this is one of our biggest customers. 19:45 You've got to do it." 19:47 I said, "I understand that, 19:48 you know, I'll even work Sunday, 19:50 I'll work overtime, 19:51 but I can't work past the Sabbath 19:53 or when the Sabbath begins." 19:54 And he said, "Come to my office." 19:57 So I went to his office 19:58 and the president of office depot happened 20:01 to be there at the facility. 20:03 So he calls him on the phone and this young guy comes in. 20:06 The CEO of office depot comes in, 20:09 turns the chair around, faces me directly on and says, 20:12 "You're gonna take this delivery 20:14 to Bank of America, or you may not have a job." 20:19 You know, that the pressure was on at that time, 20:21 and I tried to explain to him to best of my ability that, 20:25 you know, I follow scripture and the Bible says, 20:28 that seventh day is the Sabbath day. 20:30 And I was young in the faith at the time. 20:33 And he said, "Listen..." 20:34 At that time there was no cell phones. 20:36 This was like in 1997 I believe. 20:39 But he says, "I have my beeper. 20:41 And when I go to church and if that beeper goes off, 20:43 I have to leave and do whatever it takes to, 20:46 you know, support my family." 20:48 I said, "You know, I respect what you want to do. 20:51 But I'm gonna put God first in my life." 20:54 And he got angry at that. 20:56 He said, "Just get out of here." 20:59 And so I left and... 21:01 Not knowing if you'd have a job... 21:03 Not knowing if I had a job. Yeah, exactly. 21:05 And, you know, I went home and got on my knees, 21:08 begin to pray for strength. 21:10 And he never told me not to come back. 21:12 So Monday came, I decided I'm going back, 21:15 you know, they're gonna have to tell me to leave. 21:16 So I went back, clocked in, 21:18 did my paper work, did my route. 21:20 Nobody said a word to me. 21:22 Tuesday came, same thing. 21:24 Wednesday, Thursday, Friday came. 21:27 And what's interesting about, 21:28 my truck was so loaded with boxes. 21:33 I even thought at the time 21:34 that they had done that on purpose 21:35 'cause it was Friday. 21:37 So I took off to do my deliveries, 21:38 and there's no way 21:40 I could've gotten deliveries off 21:41 in time for sundown. 21:43 So I was in the middle of the day, 21:44 maybe half way done. 21:46 I get a call on my radio. 564 was my number. 21:49 What's your 20? Where you at? I told him where I was. 21:51 He said, "Stay right there. 21:53 We're gonna send someone out to relieve you." 21:55 Glory to God. 21:57 I thought of the time I was fired. 21:58 I said, you know, 21:59 "took a week but eventually I'm gone." 22:01 They let me go. 22:02 Well, the guy pulled up 22:04 and he took the keys out of my hand 22:05 and jumped into my truck, finished my route, 22:06 gave me an empty truck. 22:08 I drove back to the base, 22:10 was looking around waiting for my manager 22:12 to tell me I'm fired. 22:15 And I clocked out 22:16 and they approached me and just said, 22:18 "We just want you to know that we send a swing driver 22:22 so that you can get home in time 22:24 so you can keep the Sabbath." 22:25 Praise. 22:27 And they paid me for eight hours. 22:28 If I didn't end in time, if I didn't work eight hours, 22:31 they gave me an incentive of eight hours pay on Fridays. 22:33 Praise God. 22:35 You know, that just shows you 22:37 how God can shine His favor on you 22:41 when you do follow His principles, 22:43 but it also to me, if I met someone, 22:46 even if I didn't agree with him, 22:48 if I had an employee that had such integrity, 22:53 I would consider that employee a very valuable asset 22:57 which they are, they actually did. 22:58 Absolutely. Praise the Lord. 23:00 So how do you go from being a bodybuilder, 23:05 a correctional officer, 23:08 delivery man into becoming a full time evangelist? 23:13 That's a good question. 23:15 You know, Shelley, I really believe 23:16 that was a test for me. 23:18 I wanted to go 23:19 to Black Hills Health and Education Center. 23:21 Someone that, lifestyle center of America 23:23 when it was open in Oklahoma, 23:25 I had visited there, they told me, 23:26 "Listen, If you want... 23:28 In Lifestyle Center of America was Dr. Neil Nedley. 23:31 That's right. Right? 23:32 Yes, okay. 23:33 Yeah, and someone took me 23:35 there earlier to visit and they told me, 23:38 "Listen, if you wanted to do public evangelism, 23:39 you need to go to Black Hills 23:41 'cause they train you right away 23:42 for six months. 23:43 You're out of there, hands on skills. 23:45 And so that was on the back of my head. 23:47 So I had called Black Hills and I talked to the director 23:51 and his wife and let them know how much... 23:53 Thos was during Pastor Louie Torres... 23:55 Louie Torres was the director and his wife Carol. 23:58 And I talked to Carol. 24:00 I said, "Look, I want to come. 24:01 I really want to come." 24:02 And she said, 24:04 "Listen, we have a long list of people, 24:05 potential students. 24:07 And you're on the back end of the list." 24:09 People are waiting to get in and she says, 24:11 "I'll let you know if something changes." 24:14 Well, after this episode 24:16 with office depot over the Sabbath, 24:19 I felt like that was a test. 24:21 When I overcame that by God's grace. 24:25 You know, carol called and said, 24:26 "Look, we do have people before you. 24:30 But because you were so persistent on the phone 24:32 and I get that you really wanted to come." 24:34 She says, "I feel convicted that God wants you to come. 24:36 So we have an opening for you. 24:38 Someone had dropped out." 24:39 So I was like halleluiah! I was so excited. 24:42 Yeah, and I even had a sponsor. 24:44 Sponsor came right after that. Praise God. 24:46 And so I got on to the plane. 24:48 Flew to Rapid City, South Dakota. 24:50 Spent six months 24:52 at Black Hills Health and Education Center, 24:53 gaining some well needed training 24:56 on soul winning. 24:58 So, where did you go from there? 25:00 Well, from there, 25:02 I went back to Dallas after my training was over. 25:07 I got a call 25:08 from a local pastor in West Sacramento. 25:10 He is looking for a Bible worker. 25:12 He had evangelists coming in, 25:13 and he had heard 25:15 that I want to do Bible work so I accepted the call. 25:20 And a car was given to me, 25:22 and drove from Texas to California 25:26 and started doing Bible work. 25:28 And then, now did you end up going to AFCO as well, 25:31 because I knew you were an evangelist for AFCO. 25:34 I didn't go to AFCO. Oh, you didn't? 25:36 No, I met my wife, she was in the Amazing Facts. 25:41 I worked for them for 12 years 25:43 but at the time Amazing Facts had a field school. 25:46 And it wasn't the college of evangelism yet. 25:48 Okay. 25:49 And my wife was in that field school. 25:50 So she would come to the church 25:52 where I was doing Bible work 25:54 and she would give special music. 25:55 So that's where we met. 25:56 And that was right before Ned-99. 25:58 Okay. 25:59 So we both took a call to go 26:01 do the follow up of Ned-99 in Manhattan 26:04 for about six months and we eventually married, 26:08 and that's when Amazing Facts called me and said, 26:10 "Hey, we are starting a college, 26:11 would you come and teach?" 26:13 Do the outrage, 26:15 lead out an outrage and teach Bible doctrine, 26:17 so I accepted the call 26:18 and that's where my career began 26:20 with Amazing Facts. 26:21 Wonderful. 26:22 Okay, Jason, you have... 26:24 I mean it's so obvious how God 26:27 just has rapidly led you from one place to the next. 26:33 But now you are 26:34 with the North Pacific Union Conference 26:38 as a full time evangelist. 26:40 What does public evangel... 26:43 I am just gonna ask it this way, 26:45 do you think public evangelism still works? 26:48 Absolutely. 26:51 I don't see how we can survive without it. 26:53 I mean that's how the early church grew, 26:55 the preaching of the word, if you... 26:56 There's so many people out there 26:58 who say, "Oh, you just can't do it 26:59 in this day and age," 27:01 you know, where people won't come out. 27:03 Tell us about the value of public evangelism, 27:06 because you wrote an article 27:08 on this I believe for Ministry Magazine, correct? 27:10 I did, yeah, the August issue of 2000... 27:12 Yeah. Okay. 27:13 August of 2017 issue. 27:15 All right, so tell us 27:17 why you believe so much in public evangelism? 27:21 Well, I mean, it's soul winning, 27:24 you know, I believe that. 27:26 Our work is to proclaim the three angels' message, 27:28 I believe in the power of the gospel. 27:30 I see it firsthand when people come out, 27:33 their lives change before your very eyes. 27:35 You see the power of the gospel. 27:37 It strengthens the church. 27:39 Every meeting is different. 27:40 Some meetings you have more people from the outside, 27:42 a greater return, 27:44 some meetings are smaller, but... 27:46 I agree with you that it does strengthen 27:48 the membership of the church even, you know. 27:50 Absolutely. 27:51 Yeah, there's a lot of members of the church 27:53 that have not had really that foundation. 27:56 I think that's necessary to have a strong faith 27:58 in the message God has given us. 27:59 Well, I said, we've been watching 3ABN. 28:01 Exactly. 28:03 And you know what? 28:05 About 3ABN, those who support 3ABN, 28:08 I don't think they realize the impact 28:10 they are having upon the world, 28:11 because almost every meeting that I have had, 28:13 evangelistic meeting, 28:14 I meet somebody 28:15 that comes walking off the street into the church 28:18 with a handbill in their hand, 28:19 and because they watch 3ABN. 28:21 They identify the flyer 28:23 with what they see on the broadcast. 28:26 And they have heard the truth and now they come in, 28:29 and they want to hear more, 28:30 and it's really, it's a harvest, you know. 28:33 It's bringing people in. 28:35 They walk in with the great foundation. 28:37 This is something as he said, you may not realize, 28:40 but I just want to particularly mention 28:42 to our Blessings on the Go team members 28:45 that what you are supporting here. 28:48 We hear pastors everywhere I go 28:51 and every church that I am speaking at, 28:53 there are people who the pastor say, 28:56 they're coming to the church and often they are saying, 28:59 "Hey, we are ready for baptism." 29:00 They said, "Well, we need to take you 29:01 through these classes first." 29:03 But they already know it, 29:05 so that's the ministry 29:07 that you are supporting and we thank you again. 29:10 So now, we are getting down 29:14 to this idea of... 29:18 First I want to backtrack. 29:20 You must be an excellent student, 29:23 because you went for six months of training 29:27 and you had been in the work of evangelism for a while, 29:31 and Bible work for a while. 29:33 But for Amazing Facts 29:35 to offer you a teaching position, 29:38 to teach Bible doctrine, you must be a good student. 29:42 By God's grace, you know, I enjoy the Bible. 29:44 I think there is much to learn. It's like an endless goldmine. 29:48 You know, you can never get enough, 29:50 and that's the way it should be. 29:53 I started teaching at AFCO, but I spent, 29:54 you know, the majority of the time 29:56 with Amazing Facts as a public evangelist. 29:58 So the first year I did teach it of at AFCO, 30:00 but then I just lost 30:02 into public evangelism after that. 30:04 And what do you think, 30:06 you have written this book and I you can tell, 30:08 I am kind of anxious to talk about this book. 30:11 For sure. 30:12 But the book is titled The Islam Distraction, 30:16 and I just want to read you a foreword from the book. 30:19 In the foreword, 30:20 it's written by John Bradshaw of It Is Written, 30:22 and he says, 30:24 "This is a must read 30:25 for every student of Bible prophecy. 30:27 Pastor Jason Morgan's, 30:29 The Islam Distraction 30:31 shuns speculation and conjecture and relies 30:35 instead upon solid time tested principles 30:39 of prophetic interpretation. 30:41 And I want to repeat that, 30:43 time tested principles of prophetic interpretation, 30:47 well written and thoroughly researched. 30:50 This resource is both reliable 30:52 and relentlessly Christ centered. 30:55 A true blessing 30:57 that provides clarity and not confusion. 31:00 And then we have 31:02 some who have endorsed the book, 31:04 Don McIntosh, James Rafferty with Light Bearers, 31:07 and Steve Wohlberg with White Horse Media. 31:11 Talk to us about 31:12 the importance of time tested prophetic interpretation? 31:18 That's a good question, that's a loaded question. 31:21 The book The Islam Distraction actually isn't about Islam, 31:25 it's about biblical prophetic principles of interpretation. 31:29 It's paramount 31:31 that what we believe 31:33 is understood in the confines of biblical principles 31:36 that are inherently inspired by God. 31:40 So the book covers 31:42 a lot of these biblical principles 31:43 and what we do is, 31:44 there is this growing theology 31:48 that Islam is a role player in last day events. 31:52 King of the South. 31:53 King of the South, Daniel 11. 31:55 And my approach in this book is to say, 31:58 "Hey, lets stop for a minute and not just get caught up 32:02 in the recent headlines to interpret prophecy." 32:06 But let the Bible speak for itself, 32:08 let's lay down a good solid foundation. 32:10 And then let's look at Islam theology 32:13 from a biblical standpoint. 32:15 You know, from using these principles, 32:17 you know, utilizing these principles 32:18 of interpretation to see if it is indeed biblical. 32:21 And when we are talking 32:23 about rules of biblical interpretation, 32:27 could you be more specific? 32:28 A lot of our audience are not Adventist, 32:31 most Adventist know 32:33 that we consider ourselves historicists, 32:35 but talk to us for just a moment 32:37 about the different approaches to biblical, 32:41 prophetic interpretations. 32:43 Absolutely. 32:44 Well, the first biblical principle 32:45 is that the Bible has to be its own expositor. 32:48 Scripture alone explains itself, 32:50 that's the first rule. 32:52 The second principle 32:53 is that Christ must be the center in every prophecy. 32:57 Whenever, for example, Daniel 2, 33:00 Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. 33:02 The reason why these kingdoms are brought out in prophecy 33:06 is because God had a people 33:08 that were involved with these nations, 33:10 whether in a positive way or in a negative way, 33:12 they were involved. 33:13 So God is actually not focusing on Babylon, 33:16 Medo-Persia, Greece or Rome, 33:17 He is following His chosen people. 33:20 And these chosen people 33:21 were captives in these kingdoms, 33:23 so that's why these kingdoms rise 33:24 and fall in prophecy. 33:26 So it's Christ centered, number one, 33:28 and God follows His church from the beginning to the end. 33:31 Whatever character is brought out in prophecy 33:34 has a direct involvement with Christ church. 33:38 Amen. 33:40 You obviously have been well schooled in this, 33:44 but, you know, I am going to just say this 33:49 as delicately as I can. 33:51 Daniel 11 is one of the most difficult chapters 33:56 in the Bible to interpret. 33:58 And tell us about dangers, 34:02 the dangers that are inherent to try 34:06 and to interpret something 34:08 if you are not following biblical principles. 34:12 If you are not, I don't think 34:13 we went through the Historicist, 34:15 and Futurist, and the Preterist, 34:16 but and we might want to touch on that. 34:19 But what is the danger of grabbing 34:24 a headline and running with it and trying to apply it 34:28 may be outside of biblical prophetic interpretation. 34:33 Well, I would start by saying 34:34 that whatever we understand in terms of eschatology 34:38 must be understood 34:40 within the principle of third angel's message 34:41 which means that it's spiritual and worldwide. 34:44 And where do we find the third angel's message? 34:46 In Revelation 14:6-20, yeah. In Revelation 14... 34:49 we've got three angels that are speaking, okay. 34:51 And in basically and essentially 34:53 is that God's people are universal, 34:57 and every nation, kindred and tongue. 34:58 You know, the gospel's to go out 35:00 to all the world. 35:01 And the issues and the characters 35:06 that are brought out in prophecy 35:07 are on a universal scale. 35:10 And the Islam theology, 35:11 the danger in it is that it 35:13 basically isolates eschatology to a local 35:16 and literal fulfillment in the Middle East. 35:20 And we know that God's people are not, 35:23 you know, local and literal, they are spiritual worldwide. 35:25 Yes, amen. 35:26 The Bible says, "And if you are Christ's, 35:28 then are you Abraham seed, 35:29 and heirs according to the promise." 35:31 So the danger is that unless 35:32 you are understanding the fulfillment of Daniel 11 35:36 in the principle that 35:38 even though the terminology is local and literal, 35:42 it represents a spiritual and worldwide application. 35:46 And we find this in Revelation, 35:47 we find over 1000 references 35:50 in Revelation to the Old Testament. 35:52 Jerusalem's mentioned in Revelation, 35:53 Babylon's mentioned in Revelation. 35:55 It's not talking about 35:56 the literal city of ancient Babylon, 35:58 it's talking about a universal movement, 36:01 you know a universal false religion. 36:04 And so if revelations conveying something 36:07 that's universal in terms of Babylon, 36:09 then Jerusalem also is universal in Revelation. 36:12 It's not talking about 36:13 the local and literal city of Jerusalem. 36:15 For Jesus says, 36:16 "Your house is left unto you desolate." 36:20 So if, we've seen, 36:24 give us some examples of what I am thinking 36:27 is in the past, 36:29 people have grabbed headlines and run with them. 36:33 And for example, with reestablishment of Israel, 36:37 talk to us a little bit about that? 36:39 Well, you know, since the Council of Trent, 36:43 there has been... 36:45 Francisco Ribeiro 36:46 was a Spanish judge for priests, 36:47 and basically he create a theology 36:52 we call Futurism, 36:53 where the antichrist and everything 36:57 that is to be fulfilled in Revelation 36:58 is gonna happen in the future, 37:00 you know, beyond our time. 37:03 And he was commissioned to do this 37:05 because of the Protestant Reformation. 37:06 The Protestant Reformation, yeah. 37:08 So the church was... 37:09 The Catholic Church was trying to take 37:13 the Protestant Reformation believed. 37:16 I mean Martin Luther and some, 37:18 they all did, believed that the papacy, 37:24 the system of the papacy that was the antichrist. 37:28 So the church commissioned couple of Jesuit priests 37:32 to try to turn their eyes off the papacy 37:36 and on to something else. 37:37 That's right, it's the Counter Reformation. 37:39 There are so many people 37:40 that were being convicted and convinced on scripture, 37:43 that they basically brought together scholars 37:46 to try to counterattack the influence that Reformers 37:48 were having upon society and the church at that time. 37:52 People were just leaving the Catholic Church, 37:54 because they were not getting truth 37:57 and so they developed a theology 37:59 that would counteract that work of the Protestant Reformation. 38:03 And within that counteracting work, 38:06 there was a theology called Futurism, 38:07 as we have mentioned before. 38:09 Basically that, 38:10 it's based off Daniel 9, the seventy weeks, 38:13 that you know it's dealing with... 38:16 Lops out that final week. 38:18 The final week, you know, 38:19 we know that seventy week period 38:20 began in 457 BC ended in 34 AD. 38:24 In that final week 27AD, 38:26 when Jesus was baptized 38:29 in the midst of that final seven year period, 38:31 we know that the Messiah would be cut off 38:33 as it says in what, Isaiah 53:8-11. 38:35 Right. 38:37 So Jesus is the fulfillment of that prophecy 38:41 without question, 38:43 but they took that final week 38:45 and they threw it in the future. 38:47 They reapplied that final week to a future fulfillment, 38:51 and they tried to reinterpret that final week 38:54 with a future fulfillment of literal Israel. 38:58 But we know that according to Daniel 9:25 and 26, 39:03 seventy weeks would be determined 39:04 upon literal Israel. 39:07 How would they receive the Messiah? 39:09 Would they open their hearts to receive Him, 39:12 or they accept Him, or reject Him? 39:14 And we know that, 39:15 unfortunately, they rejected Him. 39:17 And so the gospel went to the gentiles. 39:19 And so from 34 AD which ended the seventy weeks, 39:22 we know that the Israel now 39:24 that the Bible emphasizes is spiritual Israel. 39:27 So they take that final week and throw out in the future 39:30 is they changing of God's times. 39:32 It's an attempt to change 39:34 what God has clearly revealed in fulfillment of Jesus Christ. 39:39 So that final week 39:41 that's been changed by the Church of Rome 39:44 thrown in the future 39:47 is a reinterpretation of prophecy 39:49 that puts emphasis on literal Israel again, 39:53 and there is danger in that. 39:56 I believe, 39:58 and I think that the Bible is clear in predicting 39:59 that it would happen is that in 1948, 40:04 when the State of Israel became to be established, 40:06 a lot of evangelicals 40:08 that have believed that theology, 40:11 thought it was a fulfillment of prophecy. 40:13 They were blinded to the fact 40:15 that Israel is spiritual Israel, 40:17 that those who believe in Jesus Christ, 40:18 they are the true Israel. 40:20 But they brought it back again, 40:21 Futurism came back 40:23 and they started believing that, 40:24 that was the fulfillment of Revelation 40:26 that the Jews are now being reestablished, 40:29 and they still believe that today. 40:31 And I think the danger with Islam 40:33 is because since 9/11, the terror attacks, 40:37 people want to take the headlines 40:39 and kind of bring it into the Bible 40:42 instead of studying what the Bible says, 40:44 establishing a good foundation. 40:46 They're looking out to see 40:48 if the headlines are fulfilling Bible prophecy. 40:49 I think there is a danger in taking things 40:51 and bringing them in, 40:52 and it's just with this Islam theology, 40:55 we see a lot of that taking place, 40:56 lot of that going on. 40:58 You know, prophecy 40:59 is really history written in advance, 41:01 but the best understanding 41:03 is after the events have happened 41:05 and you look back and go, "Oh, this is what it was." 41:09 And so, I think that 41:13 the whole futuristic moment 41:15 we know it's given birth to theories 41:20 such as the rapture. 41:22 And I believe in my heart 41:25 that if we don't use correct hermeneutics, 41:28 if we are not interpreting that, 41:31 we are setting people up for... 41:36 We are putting them in spiritual jeopardy. 41:38 That's right. 41:39 You know, if people don't understand truth, 41:42 they are looking for something else. 41:44 There are people who believe 41:45 that Jesus is going to come back 41:47 and establish a 1000 year reign on the earth. 41:51 And they won't be prepared for it. 41:53 You know, they are going to be like the Pharisees 41:56 who didn't understand 41:58 the prophecies of His first coming. 42:01 That's right. 42:02 They are gonna be in the same position 42:03 and they will miss the boat. 42:05 Absolutely. 42:06 I mean, to me that's what's frightening. 42:08 It is and it's a distraction. 42:09 You know, people are looking at what's happening 42:11 with these Islamic extremists. 42:13 You know, 42:15 it probably will never end until Jesus comes. 42:17 We're gonna see cruelty more and more. 42:20 And we hate to say that, 42:21 but the Bible predicts that love of may will wax cold. 42:24 And so, every episode 42:26 only increases people's interest 42:29 in something that isn't biblical, 42:30 that isn't the focus of prophecy. 42:32 Our focus should be on Jesus Christ 42:34 and His righteousness. 42:35 Our focus should be on what Daniel and Revelation. 42:38 These two books go together. 42:39 Revelation compliments Daniel, 42:40 doesn't go beyond Daniel, doesn't. 42:42 It's not a supplement to Daniel, 42:44 compliments Daniel. 42:45 And we find a greater progressive Revelation 42:49 in the Book of Revelation of Daniel, 42:51 and yet we find nothing 42:52 that directly mentions 42:54 the religion of Islam as a role player 42:58 in last day events. 42:59 I think it's clear that the faith of Jesus 43:03 and the commandments of God 43:05 connected to God's remnant church, 43:08 and the Babylon, 43:09 and they're called out of Babylon, 43:11 and the warning against the mark of the beast 43:13 should be consuming our attention 43:14 is the all absorbing thing. 43:16 The three angels' message really is the message 43:17 that we should be proclaiming. 43:18 Amen and amen. 43:20 And there is this something that for me personally, 43:22 I did not grow up 43:23 in the Adventist Church and for me... 43:28 When God called me to full time ministry, 43:31 everything He was teaching me ended up being, 43:34 I mean straight from the scriptures 43:36 He taught me the Sabbath truth, 43:37 the truth about the state of the dead 43:39 and, you know, about the two resurrections. 43:42 He was teaching me all of this, just kind of one on one basis, 43:46 but I was clueless when it came to prophecy. 43:50 And I prayed and I said, 43:51 Lord, having grown up 43:54 "New Testament Church", 43:55 I was taught 43:57 that you really can't read Revelation 43:59 and understand it. 44:01 And I had all kinds of books on prophecy. 44:04 I mean from all different authors, 44:06 and none of them agreed. 44:08 None of them agreed 44:10 on what the mark was we are on, 44:12 you know all of these different symbols. 44:14 And I am saying, Lord, 44:15 you promise a blessing to people 44:17 who read this book, 44:18 how can I be blessed if I don't understand? 44:21 And, you know, that's actually when I discovered 3ABN, 44:24 and when I watched 3ABN and understood 44:29 that Daniel was the key to unlock Revelation. 44:34 You cannot have any idea. 44:36 If you grew up Adventist, 44:37 you've got no idea what a joy that is. 44:40 Absolutely. 44:41 You know, and it's something too 44:43 that as I really understood. 44:45 I remember once I was watching a science channel 44:51 and they were talking about the Big Bang Theory 44:54 and it was one of the most expert presentations 44:58 I have ever seen to the point 45:00 that I actually had the thought in my mind, 45:04 what if they are right? 45:06 And immediately, I mean immediately I thought, 45:12 you know, I'm still new to prophecy, 45:15 but I thought no, because Daniel 2. 45:18 God tells it all in Daniel 2 and Revelation. 45:21 They are not right 'cause the Bible is God's Word. 45:24 And if you understand prophecy, 45:26 you will be ready to accept the inherency of God's Word. 45:32 You believe in a six day literal creation, 45:35 there is no way 45:36 that anybody can convince me otherwise, 45:38 because God's truth is alive and active and it is so solid. 45:44 So essentially, your book, 45:46 The Islam Distraction, the first... 45:50 How many chapters do we have in this book? 45:52 Have eight chapters. 45:53 There's eight chapters, 45:54 the first seven chapters are talking about the proper... 45:59 Way to interpret prophecy, yeah. 46:02 Solid methods for interpretation. 46:06 Without question, yeah. 46:07 So only the final chapter deals with The Islam Distraction 46:14 and you call it a distraction, because if you are not, 46:16 it shows, it can't be 46:19 what people are claiming it to be. 46:22 If they are not using, 46:25 if they understand correct biblical hermeneutics 46:29 and interpreting prophecy, 46:31 you can't come up with a conclusion 46:33 that Islam is king of the South. 46:35 Is that what you are saying? That's exactly what I believe. 46:38 If you study the Bible and utilize these principles 46:40 that I share in the first seven chapters, 46:43 there is no way that the religion of Islam 46:49 has a role in last day events. 46:51 It's just contrary to third angel's messages, 46:53 it's contrary to the principles of prophetic interpretation. 46:56 Even though it is a religion, 46:57 there is many religions in the world right now 46:59 that are not directly mentioned in the scripture. 47:01 There is Hinduism, Buddhism, 47:02 but we don't find anywhere in scripture where, 47:04 directly where God mentions these religions. 47:07 But when God does bring out powers or issues, 47:11 it's always related, directly related 47:14 with God's chosen people, 47:15 because that's the apple of His eye. 47:17 And Daniel 11 brings out God's people 47:20 and Michael will stand up, he will deliver them. 47:24 The king of the North will come and God's gonna deliver them. 47:27 And I believe the king of the North is Babylon 47:28 which is mentioned in Revelation. 47:30 And to interpret that as a literal 47:34 and not a spiritual worldwide issue 47:36 is to depart from that principle 47:38 of prophetic interpretation. 47:40 And when we say Babylon, you believe it's Babylon, 47:42 that means we believe it is a false system 47:45 of state and... 47:48 That's right. Religio-political system. 47:51 Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Okay. 47:55 I wanted to read just, 47:57 this is from Pastor James Rafferty. 47:59 Many of you have watched him on 3ABN and he says, 48:03 "Finally, a profound 48:04 simple straightforward exegesis of Daniel 11, 48:09 that is faithful to biblical hermeneutics. 48:13 Every honest student of prophecy 48:15 will treasure this book. 48:16 It is solid gold." 48:18 How if somebody wants to learn 48:20 what good solid interpretive methodologies 48:27 are to interpret scripture? 48:29 How would they get this book, The Islam Distraction? 48:32 They can go to my website PropheticFacts.com 48:36 And they can get their copy through the website. 48:38 Tell us a little bit, 48:39 we got just a couple of minutes left, 48:40 tell us about your ministry Prophetic Facts? 48:46 Well, I just started the ministry, 48:49 it's growing. 48:52 I do revivals, I travel, do revivals. 48:55 I also train churches in public evangelism 48:58 and personal evangelism, 49:00 yeah, and we do public evangelism. 49:02 So it's a growing ministry in God's Word. 49:04 So you train churches 49:06 how to become involved in public evangelism? 49:09 I believe it's really important. 49:11 I believe that 49:12 we are not called to just preach, 49:14 we are called to train... 49:15 People for service, 49:16 and we need to love people as Jesus loved them. 49:19 And evangelism is not just an events 49:21 to process as we say. 49:22 It is a lifestyle. 49:24 Yeah, it's a science, 49:26 you know, and you got to roll up your sleeves, 49:28 you got to get in the work and we are dealing with people. 49:32 And, you know, I always say 49:34 it's not convincing people the truth, 49:37 it's when people have to disinherit everything 49:39 that they believe was right and they realize it's wrong. 49:41 That's when we come in, 49:43 that's Christians to be their friend, 49:45 to mentor them. 49:46 I think it's important for churches 49:49 to provide a very healthy atmosphere, 49:51 a caring atmosphere, 49:53 so that when we share these truths 49:54 and they're struggling, 49:56 you know they try to disinherit things, 49:57 we need to come to their aid. 49:59 I think churches, our lay people need to learn 50:02 how to and what it takes to truly 50:05 take these people in their arms, 50:06 figuratively speaking and bring them into the church 50:09 and nurture them and so. 50:11 Through the experience 50:12 that we have gained 50:13 over the years in public evangelism, 50:15 we like to go to churches 50:16 and train them of how to be effective in evangelism. 50:18 That's precious. 50:19 And I am just gonna put in my two cents worth 50:21 before we go to his website and information 50:26 is that some people will say advertising doesn't work 50:30 the way it used to. 50:32 Well, let me tell you what really works, 50:34 word of mouth advertising and it's inviting, 50:37 it's one on one. 50:38 If you are getting ready to have an evangelistic series 50:42 at your church, 50:43 it should be up to every church member, 50:46 make it a goal to invite at least one person. 50:48 Go pick them up and bring them, 50:50 then you know they are gonna be there. 50:51 That's right. 50:53 So I think that's a very critical factor. 50:55 Well, obviously this young man, I can call him young, 51:00 'cause I am probably old enough to be your mother. 51:02 But God has really a call on your life, Jason, 51:06 and we just want to thank you for writing this book, 51:08 The Islam Distraction. 51:10 Thank you for the training that you are doing 51:12 and for the full time evangelism 51:14 that you are doing. 51:15 And it occurs to us 51:17 that you may want to get in touch with Jason 51:19 and have him come to your church, 51:22 or just find out 51:23 how to get this book at his website. 51:25 Here is all of his contact information. 51:31 If you would like to invite Jason Morgan 51:33 to come to your church for an evangelistic series, 51:36 or if you would like to obtain a copy of his book, 51:38 The Islam Distraction, 51:40 please visit PropheticFacts.com. 51:44 There you will find ordering information 51:46 as well as the full schedule 51:47 of his upcoming evangelistic events 51:49 both here in the US and abroad. 51:52 That website again is PropheticFacts.com. 51:56 You may also call him 51:57 at area code (406) 402-9030, 52:03 or write to Prophetic Facts, 52:05 PO Box 1324, 52:08 Condon, Montana 59826. |
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