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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my word 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:09 Hello and welcome to another 3ABN Today program. 01:12 We are so thankful that you've joined us here, 01:15 as you do each and every day. 01:17 Thank you for your support of the ministry of 3ABN, 01:21 it's neat because not only are we a family here at 3ABN, 01:25 you are part of our family. 01:28 And Jesus Christ of course is our Supreme Provider 01:30 but it's because of your prayers 01:32 and your financial support to this ministry 01:33 that we can go around the world 01:35 reaching others for Jesus Christ. 01:37 How's your day going? 01:39 I know, here at 3ABN, it's going well. 01:41 Why? 01:42 Because Jesus is Lord 01:44 and we can't go wrong with that, 01:46 so long as we serve Him 01:47 and obey His instructions to each one of us. 01:50 Today, we have some family, 01:52 there are no strangers to us here at 3ABN. 01:55 It's been a little while though since they've been here 01:57 and there's a really special connection 01:59 that Jill has with them, 02:00 so I'm going to let you introduce 02:01 who we have here as our family and guests. 02:03 Thank you. 02:04 It is a privilege to introduce our special guests today. 02:07 I think back... 02:09 when I was I would say a young person, 25 years ago, 02:13 I was a teenager, and we were... 02:17 I lived in Massachusetts and my family 02:18 had gone up to Maine to a camp meeting. 02:21 And at that time, I met this precious couple there. 02:25 At that time, 02:27 I remember growing up as a child 02:28 thinking that life was about do this and don't do that, 02:32 and that's all Christianity was about, 02:34 and for the very first time, 02:36 I heard a couple who presented the gospel message, 02:39 practical Christianity 02:41 that Jesus can come in and heal 02:44 and restore and mend 02:46 broken hearts, broken families, broken marriages, 02:49 and bring them back to wholeness. 02:51 So it's my privilege to introduce 02:53 Tom and Alane Waters to you at home. 02:55 And they're part of Restoration International. 02:58 Tom, you are the president, co-founder, 03:00 and speaker of Restoration International. 03:02 And I know, Alane, 03:04 you are co-founder and speaker of Restoration International. 03:07 And it's a privilege to have both of you here. 03:08 Thank you. 03:10 Well, thank you for that warm introduction. 03:11 It's great to be back at 3ABN. 03:13 And we're looking for good time together 03:16 and a blessing to us as well as the viewers. 03:19 You know, I think it's neat too because really, I mean, 03:21 I know we're on a television set 03:22 but this is supposed to look like a living room. 03:25 And so you may be sitting in your living room or home 03:28 hopefully you just feel like 03:29 you're just joining in on a conversation 03:31 about what God is doing with Restoration International. 03:34 Now we mentioned earlier that you're no strangers 03:37 because you came to 3ABN and did a wonderful series. 03:40 Tell us a little bit about that, a number of years ago, 03:42 and it had to do with family. 03:45 Yes, it was a joy to be able to be here 03:47 and do a special marriage series together, 03:50 Marriage Heart to Heart 03:52 under your title of Marriage in God's Hands. 03:55 That's right. 03:56 That again was a very practical experience for us. 03:59 And it really where marriage happens day to day, 04:03 real life, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the beautiful 04:07 where Christ takes our marriages 04:09 and turns them into something beautiful. 04:11 We know whenever it's re-airing 04:13 because we start getting calls and emails into the office. 04:17 And recently, we just did a marriage seminar 04:19 at church in Florida. 04:20 And we got that invitation 04:22 based on somebody in that church 04:24 having viewed some of those programmings and said, 04:27 "Wow, we want to bring that to our church family." 04:30 So it is still going far and wide even many years later. 04:34 Oh, yeah. 04:35 You know, and I remember that series, 04:37 I don't remember if I actually ran camera for that one or not, 04:41 but I do remember that the way you presented it 04:44 was very practical and very real. 04:47 Oh, it's very real. 04:49 You know, and I think that's the key 04:50 because when people are real, 04:51 I mean, you can tell when somebody is real or fake. 04:53 You know, I mean, so 04:55 when someone is talking about real experiences 04:57 that you have been through, that means a lot 04:59 because you're talking about your testimony, you know. 05:02 And so I think that touches hearts, 05:04 I believe, in a really special way. 05:06 So let's talk about Restoration International for a moment. 05:09 What was the impetus for beginning the ministry, 05:12 did you all have a really solid power for marriage, 05:15 and you said, "I want to reach out to and help other people," 05:17 or tell us a little bit about your back story. 05:19 Great question. Yeah. 05:20 Well, we appreciate that question 05:22 because we had a solid marriage from one perspective for sure, 05:26 and that was that we believe marriage was for life. 05:30 We both were raised in homes 05:31 where our parents were very committed to marriage 05:34 which unfortunately that kind of commitment 05:37 is more rare nowadays. 05:39 But we had some real difficulties 05:44 in the early part of our marriage that... 05:48 Well, kind of a shock 05:49 'cause we were going to live happily ever after, right? 05:50 Yes. For sure. 05:52 We came to recognize 05:53 and it's something that we talk about all the time now, 05:56 especially when we do Marriage Messages 05:58 and that is the idea of the ME focus, 06:02 we come into marriage, unfortunately, 06:04 because we don't get a lot of preparation for marriage, 06:07 we don't get a lot of education on marriage, 06:10 and so we come in with two MEs. 06:13 And those two MEs really believe in ourselves, 06:16 we believe that the way we live life 06:18 is the way it should be and now 06:19 we're supposed to become one, right? 06:21 Yes. That's right. 06:23 Just because the pastor says, 06:24 "Now the two should become one," 06:25 and the Bible says it. 06:27 And the Bible does too. 06:28 But which one shall we be or which ME shall we be? 06:32 Because when conflict happens, 06:34 when difficulties come up, this ME... 06:38 And this ME. 06:39 And this ME have a different focus, 06:41 especially when there's a difficult area 06:43 and it comes close to us. 06:45 And that's where the ME focus started showing up 06:47 for us in marriage 06:49 and where we started really feeling the need for a Savior. 06:53 That's right, you know, the true personalities 06:57 or the true characters revealed, right, 06:59 in difficult times or we were told in a crisis, 07:01 so that's, you know, in a marriage 07:03 certainly hit those points. 07:05 But God began working in our hearts 07:07 when we discovered we needed something more 07:09 than what we could just put into having a happy home. 07:12 You can't just check the boxes. 07:13 And we started on a pursuit 07:16 to get to know Christ better individually for ourselves 07:18 and to make Him very real. 07:20 We were by this time having our first little one 07:22 and then our second little one shortly thereafter. 07:25 And, you know, not just our deficiencies in the marriage 07:28 but our deficiencies as parents began to be quite evident. 07:32 And so we began this search, 07:35 this quest for seeking God in a personal way. 07:38 And through that process, 07:39 which was quite a bit over time, 07:41 God led us to leave 07:43 our medical careers, our professions, 07:45 and move our family to a more rural area 07:51 and really invest time in them 07:53 instead of just adding them into our lives 07:55 making our family and God the focus of our life. 07:59 Wow. And that was a real change. 08:03 People thought we were crazy. I'm sure. 08:04 I mean, obviously, that's not the theme of this. 08:06 It's radical. Real radical. 08:08 It was very radical, 08:09 but I can tell you after 37 years of marriage 08:12 and our baby is 31 years old now, our youngest... 08:15 Not so small anymore. No. 08:17 That decision was not only revolutionary 08:21 but it was completely God's will for our lives. 08:25 We had no idea that it would take us 08:27 in the direction that it did 08:29 when we left our medical careers, 08:31 but we are so thankful 08:33 because it was there that we started really dealing 08:36 with the practical of Christianity, 08:39 I mean, really what the differences. 08:41 And, you know, when we made mistakes 08:44 in our home, in our marriage, to our children, 08:47 one of the things that we did is we said, "I'm sorry." 08:51 And we said if I got upset at my wife 08:54 in front of our children, 08:56 it wasn't just I'm sorry to my wife, 08:59 I have my children when they were part of that. 09:01 I also came to them and said, 09:04 "The way that Daddy handled the situation 09:06 with your mother was not appropriate. 09:08 I'm sorry. Please forgive me." 09:10 And I'll tell you what, 09:11 you know, looking back our children, 09:14 I just got a thing from our children for Father's Day. 09:17 Okay, well, as I said our littlest, 09:18 he's 31 years old. 09:20 And it was beautiful. 09:21 It was a Thomas Kinkade book that has beautiful paintings 09:26 dedicated to fathers 09:28 and in between it had pages 09:29 to write the memories of their childhood. 09:31 I'll tell you what a gift and a treasure 09:33 because those hours, those years 09:36 that we spent in really focusing 09:39 on the practical life of marriage and family 09:41 have paid off dividends that we praise God for. 09:44 So from that moving to a more rural location 09:49 came Restoration International, 09:51 then God gave you the idea to start this ministry. 09:55 Well, it came from people. People. Okay. 09:57 I mean, people who knew us from our past that said... 10:00 "What's going on?" 10:01 "Can you come back and share with us," 10:02 because, you know, obviously they want to come out 10:04 and visit because we're living, 10:06 you know, in a beautiful place in Montana at that time but, 10:09 "Can you come and share with us in our church 10:11 because you're very different than when you left, 10:12 I mean, your children are actually obedient, 10:14 and they're happy, and they're contented, and..." 10:17 So it kind of started from people asking us to share 10:21 and then we recognized 10:23 that we got more and more invitations 10:24 so at that point... 10:26 Yeah, and one of the things that I want to bring out, 10:28 and it's just a small thing, 10:29 but I think it's a very important point. 10:30 And that is when we left our suburban lifestyle, 10:35 we were looked up to in our church community, 10:38 we were a "model family". 10:41 Lord help us, we weren't a model family. 10:43 But my point is this we were not hypocrites. 10:46 But we did not understand the real death of self. 10:50 We did not understand 10:51 what it really means to be real Christians. 10:54 We did what we had to do to be a good family, 10:56 to be upstanding in our community, 10:59 but the heart level of Christianity was not there. 11:02 So we want to say to people out there, 11:05 you can look good, 11:07 you can have all your t's crossed 11:09 and your i's dotted, 11:11 but how is it in the heart, how is the reality. 11:14 It's more about our connection with Christ 11:16 and our love for Him and our passion for Him 11:18 because He's the one who makes the difference, 11:20 it's not the do's and the don't, 11:21 it's the relationship. 11:23 And that's what we focused on most, the relationship. 11:25 And the best source books 'cause often people email us, 11:29 you know, "What can you recommend 11:31 that we can read about such and such." 11:33 We keep sending people back to the scriptures 11:35 and back to the inspired commentaries on the scriptures 11:38 because they are so full of powerful principles 11:42 and inspiration and encouraging stories of real people 11:45 who've done it wrong, who've God is redeemed, 11:48 and in the process, we can learn from that. 11:50 What an incredible testimony 11:52 to see what God did in your life, 11:54 how he took you from here 11:55 and then how he changed your life, 11:57 changed your family. 11:59 And then God took that as a testimony 12:01 to the world that you can 12:03 then share that with other people. 12:04 We're going to put a pause on that just for a moment. 12:06 We haven't gone to our music yet. 12:08 We have ET Everett standing by. 12:11 And the song she's going to minister 12:13 is "No one ever cared for me like Jesus." 12:16 And the reason I love this song in connection with this program 12:20 is that you might be right now sitting at home and saying, 12:24 "My life is a mess. 12:25 My marriage is a mess. 12:27 My relationships are in turmoil." 12:30 But the Lord Jesus knows, 12:31 He cares for you, He understands. 12:34 And on the other end of this song, 12:36 they would be sharing practical tips 12:38 what God has done in the ministry 12:40 and how you can get involved in the ministry 12:43 and your life and marriage can be changed as well. 17:02 Thank you, ET Everett. 17:03 Well, God has given you a gift. 17:05 And thank you for ministering to us the beautiful song, 17:09 "No one else cared for me like Jesus." 17:13 Praise Lord for that. 17:14 Jesus is good, cares for us all the time. 17:16 In case, you are just joining us, 17:18 I don't want to say shame on you, 17:20 that doesn't sound very good, 17:21 but we have some exciting guests 17:23 that are passionate about their ministry. 17:26 And like we mentioned earlier, they have been on 3ABN before. 17:29 We have Tom and Alane Waters with us. 17:31 And they're talking about their ministry 17:33 Restoration International 17:35 which is dealing with the family, 17:36 so marriage, children, 17:39 and really what God has done in their life 17:41 is what we're talking about 17:42 for the first few minutes of this program. 17:44 And I know we want to continue on a little bit with that, 17:46 but we've already been blessed, 17:48 haven't we with what they shared? 17:49 Amen. Amen. 17:50 And it's incredible how God takes us on a journey. 17:52 You know, and the journey does not end, 17:54 it's not like we're sitting here 17:55 saying we have arrived 17:57 or we're in some sort of state of perfection, 17:59 but we are in process. 18:00 And you see the things God is doing in your life. 18:04 And continues to do. Amen. Absolutely. 18:07 You know, as we think about the family, 18:09 the family is under attack, 18:12 and so the devil is attacking the family. 18:14 There's a reason why he is attacking. 18:15 Why do you think the Satan is out there 18:17 to destroy the family? 18:18 Oh, there's a very obvious reason, 18:21 not just because we're involved in this kind of ministry, 18:24 but it's obvious that if he can destroy 18:29 the individual in a marriage, 18:32 he can work on destroying that marriage. 18:34 So he works to break down the individual first, 18:37 then he's always working on all of us, okay, 18:40 to try to breakdown our marriages. 18:42 If he can break down our marriages, 18:44 he knows that he will have access 18:46 to the family, to the children. 18:48 And when he gets access to families, 18:52 he gets access to the church. 18:53 That's right. It's good. 18:55 When he gets access to the church, 18:56 he gets access to the light of the community, 18:59 and the light of the world begins to go dim. 19:03 And so it's just working at the foundations, 19:07 you know, that's gospel order. 19:09 It's the individual relationship with God. 19:11 And if that's personal and practical, 19:14 it affects this relationship. 19:15 Sure it does. Oh, yeah. 19:16 And that's the foundation, it's gospel order. 19:18 And if he can interrupt the gospel order, 19:20 he breaks things down pretty quick. 19:23 Well, there's two sacred institutions 19:24 that God put at the end of creation, 19:28 the marriage and the Sabbath. 19:30 And both of those institutions are under attack, 19:34 the counterfeit anything to undermine those things. 19:37 And as, you know, Bible believing Christians, 19:40 it is our privilege and our joy to uphold those in the beauty 19:44 that God intended them to have 19:47 and that it brings us into a closer relationship with Him, 19:50 which brings us into closer relationships 19:52 in all of our other encounters with people. 19:56 Yeah, that's a good point for sure. 19:58 Give us an overview of Restoration International. 20:00 I know we talk some about your own journey 20:02 and how God led you into the ministry, 20:04 but what does a Restoration International involve? 20:07 Okay, well, what we call our flagship 20:09 is our family retreats. 20:11 We've been doing the longest running was in Virginia. 20:15 It's been going on for well... 20:16 More than 20 years. More than 20 years. 20:18 Wow. Okay. 20:20 Every year, you do one there? Every year. 20:22 So we do these retreats where we just encourage people, 20:27 everybody is a part of a family. 20:28 So this doesn't mean you've got to have a bunch of children 20:31 to come to this, okay, 20:32 'cause we're all part of a family so we get... 20:34 Or they even have to be married. 20:36 We have singles also. Single people go? 20:38 We had a single guy that ran 20:40 our North East Family Retreat for years. 20:43 And it grew phenomenally under his leadership 20:46 'cause he had a passion for family. 20:48 We finally told him, "Listen, you need to be get married." 20:53 And now he's happily married, 20:54 he's not leading out in that retreat anymore 20:56 because we told him 20:57 you need to retire and find a wife. 20:59 You know, now that's just kind of in fun, okay? 21:00 But he has... 21:02 Lord put him together with somebody. 21:03 But they're for everybody, and it's coming of part, 21:06 Wednesday night through Saturday night. 21:09 Okay. Okay. 21:10 Coming together, 21:12 you can't tell people to leave their cell phones behind, 21:14 but some of the retreats where we go in the locations 21:17 is not the best cellular reception. 21:20 So they could just kind of have to disconnect a little bit. 21:23 And sometimes that's exactly what families need, 21:26 just to pull back from the business of life. 21:29 We have messages that are designed 21:32 for the individual walk with God 21:33 in a very practical way, the marriage building, 21:37 the family building, and that's what it's about. 21:39 So I know that there's already viewers 21:41 that have been touched by what you've shared already 21:43 and are saying, "Wow, I probably need to attend." 21:45 Walk us through maybe sort of past through 21:49 what a Wednesday through Sabbath would be. 21:50 Is it seminars all day long? What actually takes place? 21:54 And is there a place to stay 21:55 or to someone need to find hotels, 21:56 that sort of things? 21:58 I know this information is on your website 21:59 which we will get to hear in just a few minutes. 22:01 But just kind of walk us through this one here. 22:03 Well, they're all located in a camp setting, 22:05 so there's accommodations to all of them. 22:08 And we just say the earlier people register, 22:10 they have the better commendations 22:11 they may have as an option. 22:13 But there's several meetings a day 22:16 and they're all geared for the family, 22:18 the individual, as he said, and then any family issues. 22:21 So we all come in here the same thing. 22:23 So the kids aren't separate. There kids aren't separate. 22:25 And a lot of people had concerns about that. 22:28 But when we encourage them to come and just try it, 22:30 we find out that the children 22:31 actually are very good listeners. 22:33 In one meeting, I remember this little girl comes and says, 22:36 "Mommy, I learned today that I need to be obedient." 22:38 She's about four years old. It was a new thought to her. 22:41 She picked up from a Parenting Message 22:43 where you think we're talking to the parents 22:45 but the children are listening. 22:46 So we actually have three meetings a day 22:48 which isn't overdone. 22:50 And then we have one breakout every day for the adults 22:54 to talk about the more personal intimate 22:56 areas of needs in the marriage. 22:58 And during that time, 23:00 the young people are involved in choir practice 23:02 'cause they do all of our special music 23:03 for the Sabbath. 23:04 So there's direction for them. 23:06 And then we have Family Recreation every day 23:09 on the Thursday and the Friday 23:11 that families come up and play together. 23:12 And it's all organized. 23:14 And the grandmas and grandpas can be out there, 23:16 the little ones, it's a safe environment, 23:18 that's been a lot of fun. 23:19 So we're trying to give enough time for the families 23:21 can connect with themselves and other families 23:24 not just to go from meeting to meeting, 23:26 meeting to meeting, meeting to meeting. 23:27 Yes. Well, that's great. 23:29 One of the... 23:30 Just to give you one of the meetings 23:32 is geared towards parenting in the day, 23:34 one of them is geared specifically for marriage, 23:37 one of them is geared specially for young people, 23:39 youth and young adults. 23:41 So that's a little of a variety of the day. 23:44 And we aren't in this alone. 23:45 We have our associates, it's Paul and Carolyn Rayne, 23:48 the Rayne family, 23:49 the young people Hannah and Caleb. 23:51 So they have been... We have a picture... 23:52 I didn't mean to interrupt you. 23:54 We have a picture I think of this. 23:56 They have been to 3ABN 23:57 and they've done series as well. 23:58 That's right. Absolutely. 24:00 So we work together as a team. 24:02 And it's been 24:05 a tremendous blessing to be together. 24:07 Amen. So do you have breakfast? 24:09 I'm thinking of food, I like to eat. 24:11 So is there a breakfast or anything? 24:12 I like to eat too. All right. 24:14 That's makes me feel so bad. 24:16 Yes, there are meals provided. 24:17 People can purchase the meals 24:19 or they can bring their own in some situations. 24:22 So it's optional. So it's optional, yes. 24:24 And each retreat is set up a little bit different, 24:27 generally that's the way all the retreats run. 24:30 Now you're breaking out 24:32 'cause you've been doing these family retreats for years, 24:34 but now you're starting to do some Marriage Retreats 24:36 and Men's Retreats, are those new? 24:38 This year, will be the first time, 24:40 we're now sponsoring a Marriage Treat. 24:43 We're really excited about it. 24:45 Alane and I will be doing the first Marriage Retreat. 24:48 And it's going to be in a nice location. 24:51 And we hope we can get 24:53 some of your viewing audience to get interested in it. 24:56 So this obviously, 24:58 since it's a marriage one 24:59 then you're not looking for singles. 25:02 Yeah, no childcare. This is very specifically... 25:04 No childcare. Married couples only, yes. 25:06 Yup. Actually, we can handle 20 couples, right. 25:10 Oh, that's not many. 25:11 No, we intentionally did that 25:13 so we have time to personally connect with each couple 25:16 and maximize the time to meet their needs. 25:19 So that's, you know, 25:21 we have the Marriage Retreat that's coming, 25:22 we're also adding in a Men's Retreat 25:24 that's another area of great need that we've seen. 25:28 Women network, women connect, 25:30 women, they have no problem staying in communication, 25:32 they meet somebody at a family retreat 25:34 and they could be friends and they communicate 25:36 even though they're two states apart. 25:38 Men aren't like that so much. 25:40 And so to build the spiritual connection amongst, 25:43 you know, the men, that's something 25:45 that we're excited about. 25:46 So that's brand new. That's brand new. 25:49 And we're also going to be doing 25:51 a Family Activity Retreat at Glacier National Park. 25:56 Oh, well, in Montana? 25:57 Which is one of our favorite national parks 25:59 'cause we used to spend a lot of years in Montana 26:01 as you know, that's where we're raised. 26:02 The grains are still there. Yeah, the grains are there. 26:04 And that's where we raised our family. 26:06 And so that's going to be very different 26:09 from other retreats. 26:10 It's going to be all-activity focused. 26:13 We'll do a morning message of encouragement to families. 26:16 It's all designed to bond families, okay, 26:19 'cause everything in our world today 26:21 is working towards disconnecting families. 26:24 We're not going to get into all the devices and stuff. 26:26 But many people who are dealing with devices know 26:29 what we're talking about. 26:30 It can all be under the same roof sitting at the same table, 26:34 totally disconnected from each other 26:37 connected to other people in cyberspace. 26:40 This Family Activity Retreat 26:42 is truly designed to bring people together, 26:45 bind their hearts as families 26:47 and do it through fun activities like 26:49 canoeing, kayaking, boating, biking, 26:52 hiking mountains, 26:53 all that stuff lends itself in a beautiful setting 26:57 to keeping the families connected. 26:58 Amen. 27:00 You know, Jill and I have actually set aside 27:01 a particular time each week 27:03 to actually not be connected on our devices 27:06 'cause, you know, it's easy to bring, 27:07 you know, we work on some work 27:08 or different things like that because it's amazing. 27:10 When we're going down the interstate 27:11 even there will be cars that are past us 27:13 and it seems like everybody... 27:15 not the driver hopefully, 27:16 but everybody in the car 27:17 is either they're watching the little DVD in the backseat, 27:19 little kit or there's people on their phones 27:21 doing this number or I don't know 27:23 maybe they're playing games, texting, messaging, whatever. 27:25 It is amazing how we can be together 27:26 in such close quarters but yet not connected at all. 27:30 And that's sad. Yes. 27:31 Really is. 27:32 So I just want to... 27:34 Why don't you give us your website 27:35 because I know we're going to go 27:36 to this address roll little bit later. 27:38 But I'm just feeling right now 27:39 that we should actually put up that website 27:40 because you've mentioned a number of things 27:42 that I'm sure there's people already that are saying, 27:44 "Oh, just give me contact information right now." 27:46 So give me your website 27:48 so that they can start looking at that. 27:49 And we'll go to 27:50 some more information in just a little bit. 27:52 What is the website? 27:53 So it's Restoration-International 27:56 .o-r-g. 27:57 We have it on the screen. 27:59 So Restoration-International.org. 28:03 Yeah, and there's lots of detailed information 28:05 there about all of these upcoming events. 28:08 Good, because, you know, this program 28:09 we air different times, you know, throughout the year. 28:11 And so, you know, depending on 28:12 when these different retreats is that what you refer to... 28:14 Yeah, everything... 28:15 Is there so they can look at the date 28:17 that's closest to what works for them in their schedule. 28:20 So we can talk about retreats and you say, 28:22 "Oh, that's sounds wonderful. 28:23 And that's great," but is it impacting people's lives? 28:26 And is it changing 28:28 someone's life mending marriages? 28:30 So do you have any testimonies to share? 28:32 Oh, yeah, I mean, 28:34 now you're going to really get us fired. 28:36 All right. 28:37 We're going to run out of time on this one. 28:39 This is our passion but yes, you know, 28:41 when we look at the theme song 28:43 to this at the opening of this interview 28:46 "Mending broken hearts, broken people," 28:49 that's what Restoration is all about. 28:51 First the relationship with God, 28:53 and the individual, then the marriage, the family. 28:55 And yeah, I mean we have... 28:59 We could talk for hours on the work 29:01 that God is doing in lives. 29:03 I mean, we've been working with a couple recently, 29:06 a devastating, 29:07 just devastating affair with this woman's best friend. 29:14 Oh. Oh. 29:15 And her husband is in an affair, 29:17 I mean, how is that... 29:18 Not just an affair but an affair... 29:20 It's not a common situation. 29:21 And we're finding it's happening more and more. 29:24 But it's not just another woman, 29:26 it's his wife's best friend. 29:28 How devastating. 29:30 That couple, we've had the privilege 29:32 by the grace of God to do some one-on-one 29:34 and in their testimony, 29:38 in less than three months time, the lady said, 29:41 who's the basically the broken hearted woman. 29:45 She said, "This is no less a miracle of Jesus Christ 29:49 than when He walked on the earth 29:51 and healed a paralytic," okay? 29:54 And her husband sitting beside her 29:56 and he is broken with repentance. 29:58 So here we have a couple, 30:00 just sends chills down my spine. 30:02 You've got to a couple. Me too. 30:03 I've got it in my arms right now. 30:04 Just who are both responding 30:06 to the power of the Holy Spirit, 30:08 he's just profusely repentant. 30:12 He's broken, "How could I do this?" 30:15 He's letting it out repentance which is a gift. 30:17 And people don't understand this. 30:18 We can't work up repentance. 30:20 It's not a checklist. That's right. 30:22 She, on the other hand, 30:23 is simultaneously receiving the forgiveness from God. 30:27 That's also a gift. It is. 30:29 In many people, this is just a side note 30:31 but we have found in years of counseling, 30:33 many people have never experienced 30:37 genuine forgiveness, 30:39 never experienced the true article. 30:41 It is a gift of God, it is not something 30:43 where we fold our arms and say, 30:45 "Okay, buck up, Buddy, forgive." 30:47 No, we can't do it. It's impossible. 30:49 But that's a simple example but a very profound example 30:52 that's happened recently in our experience 30:54 where God has transformed this couple. 30:58 And not only that, 31:00 some people think it takes years 31:01 to heal this kind of hurt. 31:04 We just spoke to them recently, and the wife said, 31:09 "I am loving my husband 31:11 more than I have ever loved him before." 31:14 Isn't that beautiful? And he her. 31:18 He's not just contented to say, "Let's fix this broken heart, 31:24 let's fix this broken marriage." 31:26 He's saying, "Now that you've got 31:27 my repentance in your heart, 31:29 and my forgiveness in your heart, 31:31 and you are blending your lives like I really intended, 31:34 let's make your marriage like 31:35 you've never experienced it before." 31:37 And this is happening and this is all happening 31:39 within a three to four-month period. 31:41 Wow. Praise be to the Lord. 31:42 That's a praise be to the Lord. 31:44 That's a miracle... Yes, it is a miracle. 31:46 To see what can do and how He can restore that. 31:49 Yes. So you see how we can get fired up about this. 31:50 Oh, yes. 31:51 No, it's neat, isn't it, to be a vessel 31:53 that God can pour through you all 31:55 in your experience to bless others. 31:57 Well, it is a blessing. It is. 31:59 And that's all it is. 32:01 We become a conduit if we're willing. 32:02 Yeah, conduit. 32:03 If we don't just, you know, block it off with self. 32:06 Do you have something else to share 32:08 'cause that is encouraging? 32:09 Do you have another... 32:10 I don't say testimony, 32:12 of some other lives that have been changed. 32:13 Well, there's... 32:15 As he said, there's lots of them but... 32:16 Which one to pick form. Yeah, which one to pick from. 32:17 But, you know, sometimes we feel intimidated as parents 32:22 to really call our children to our hearts 32:26 and call them to their responsibilities as children. 32:29 First, we as parents have to, you know, have that with God. 32:32 But then, and we think of the parents 32:34 who are afraid of their children today. 32:37 Many parents are afraid of their children, 32:39 afraid how they're going to react, 32:40 what they're going to say, 32:42 that they're not going to like them anymore. 32:44 And we just encourage parents and we've had numerous ones 32:47 where when we've joined hands with God and we follow 32:50 what God's asking us do to lovingly lead our children 32:53 and to have loving kind boundaries and expectations, 32:58 we see that those childrens hearts turned. 33:01 I think of one family that came to visit us, 33:04 in our home, we had met them before, 33:05 and they've also been to Family Retreats, 33:07 but they needed some, 33:09 you know, encouragement along the way. 33:11 And in that process, 33:13 it was evident that the son's almost 18, 33:17 few weeks from his 18th birthday. 33:18 His attitude, "When I'm 18, I'm out here." 33:21 And we have seen that whole situation change 33:24 as mom and dad's heart changed towards him 33:27 and then he in turn, you know, the scripture talks about 33:29 turning the hearts of the father first 33:31 and the children second 33:32 and the children back to the father. 33:34 And in that situation, 33:35 we've seen more than this instance 33:37 where that has turned around, 33:39 and now the relationship 33:40 is not only healed in the family 33:42 but all of them have that relationship with God 33:44 which is what made the relationship 33:46 healing the family. 33:48 And they all have a connection with God 33:50 and are in the work of God because of that. 33:53 And he never left home by the way. 33:55 He never left home. I mean, he did eventually. 33:57 But he didn't leave home on his 18th birthday. 33:58 As soon as his dad, exactly. 34:00 Right, he didn't leave home out of anger... 34:01 That's right, or frustration. Right. 34:03 "I just want to leave." 34:04 So you mentioned something about the relationship healing, 34:08 you could say side to side, parallel, 34:11 and then it was healed with God. 34:13 Or maybe the healing with God gets first 34:15 and then healing with each other. 34:16 Do you think someone could in a family situation, 34:18 could you individually have a relationship with God 34:21 and not have a relationship with other people, 34:23 is that possible? 34:25 I mean, I feel like I'm having my devotions 34:27 and I'm wanting to follow God, and my husband is too, 34:30 but yet there's still a disconnect, 34:32 do you see that happen? 34:34 Well, yeah, it's the keyword there's the real. 34:37 Okay. Again, this is we're it becomes very practical. 34:42 I can go through the motions. 34:45 And in fact, we don't have a story 34:48 for everything in our own lives 34:49 but we have stories for a lot of it. 34:52 We know what it was like to be 34:54 going through the motions not as hypocrites, 34:57 there's a very important distinction here, 35:00 but as people who are blind to self really 35:04 is deluding us, okay? 35:07 But we both went through an experience 35:08 that God opened up to us at nearly the same time 35:11 where I was looking at my wife and thinking, 35:15 "Man, she's sure got it together with God 35:18 but what's my problem?" 35:20 And simultaneously, she's saying, 35:22 "My husband, he's so constant. 35:24 He's always there on his knees." 35:26 And I'm thinking 35:27 "Man, I'm in real serious trouble here." 35:32 You know, we weren't running from God. 35:33 We were being honest, okay? 35:37 But we did not have 35:39 that connected practical experience. 35:42 That can happen and create a situation 35:45 where self is still operating, 35:47 but we don't recognize it for what it is, okay? 35:49 But to really answer your question, no, 35:53 we cannot be in a relationship with God 35:57 that is vibrant, alive, and faith-filled, 36:00 where we are not having a positive influence 36:02 on other people, okay? 36:04 We know a couple where the lady went for nearly two years 36:09 just living Christ to her husband 36:12 who was hateful, 36:14 angry for a lot of life, not her fault. 36:18 But watched over a period of two years, 36:20 and that woman's love 36:23 and the power of Christ broke through to him 36:26 and he is a converted man. 36:28 And he gives glory to God through his wife, okay? 36:32 Amen. What a testimony. 36:33 Yeah, it's a beautiful testimony. 36:35 So someone I know at home 36:36 is thinking about these retreats. 36:37 I'm going back to the retreats. 36:39 And they're saying, "Wow. 36:40 I really want to attend 36:42 but I don't think my spouse 36:43 would have any interest whatsoever." 36:46 So here they are talking about family. 36:48 I am married, I mean, I'm talking to someone at home, 36:50 you know, you're married. 36:52 But you're still saying, "My spouse would never go. 36:54 Am I accepted? Can I go? 36:55 Is that even a benefit to that one individual 36:57 that goes or you have got to drag along this person 36:59 as kicking and screaming and says, 37:01 'No, I don't want to go. 37:02 This won't help me. I don't want to do that.'" 37:03 What would be your advice to them at home? 37:05 Well, first of all, 37:06 we would encourage them to come. 37:08 But time and time again, we see over and over that many 37:11 who'd never thought their spouse would come, 37:13 come along maybe begrudgingly, 37:15 come along, because the children asked, 37:18 but generally once they come, they want to come back. 37:22 And it's almost always 37:23 if the greatest motivation in some families 37:26 who have hesitancy, 37:27 the greatest motivation is coming from the children. 37:30 Parents think, you know, we asked about and you said 37:32 something about not having children meetings 37:34 how's this going to work, 37:35 people think that children won't enjoy this, they love it. 37:38 And the children are motivators to get mom and dad back. 37:41 Many parents will tell us that. 37:42 "Well, we were just so busy. 37:44 We don't think we had the finances this year, 37:46 but our children begged for us to come back." 37:48 And they're very much a part of everything that happened. 37:50 So whatever part of the family can come 37:53 and then go home and live the difference, 37:55 let your spouse, or your children, or whatever, 37:57 you know, whoever wasn't able to attend 37:59 let them see 38:02 what God has done for you through this time 38:04 that keeps on growing and they will be interested. 38:07 Amen. Absolutely. 38:10 What if someone struggling in their marriage right now, 38:12 and they're just watching the program 38:13 and they're saying, "My marriage is falling apart. 38:15 My marriage maybe... 38:17 My husband just had an affair or maybe it's the wife 38:19 who had the affair," 38:20 like that story you share that was so powerful. 38:22 What advice would you give them? 38:26 Well, it's a big question then giving general advice is... 38:29 I didn't mean to put you on the spot. 38:31 No. No. That's fine. 38:33 We're never put on the spot 38:34 when we're sensitive to the Holy Spirit. 38:36 That's true. 38:37 But that kind of situation is happening all the time. 38:40 If only one of them is interested 38:44 in breaking past the situation, 38:48 if it's a lady that's watching right now 38:50 that's experience what this lady 38:53 that we referred to, 38:54 her husband's been unfaithful to her. 38:57 If only one of them is willing 39:00 to give God access 39:03 like He hasn't had in the past, 39:06 that one person can begin to make a difference. 39:09 If that one person, again, 39:11 if this lady that might be watching, 39:14 if that happens 39:16 and she allows God to make a difference in her, 39:20 which means that she actually prays for God 39:24 to give her forgiveness, 39:25 she can't generate it herself, okay? 39:28 That God will do. 39:30 And that the husband will see 39:32 which will allow her to pray for her husband 39:34 in a way that she would never be able to pray for him 39:36 for his unfaithfulness, okay? 39:38 There has to be... 39:40 All we're saying here is there has to be one person 39:42 who is willing to let God make the difference. 39:46 If both people, like the couple that we shared, okay, 39:49 I talked to the husband, she talked to the wife, 39:53 the wife said initially, 39:56 "I'll never live with this man again. 39:57 He's destroyed me. He's destroyed my family." 40:00 Well, we've heard those words before 40:02 but we don't give up on him. 40:03 And God doesn't give up on him. 40:04 And both of those individuals, husband talked to me, 40:08 you know, felt like an idiot, 40:10 he felt so sorry, which was good. 40:13 But God brought them together. 40:14 And when two people are brought together simultaneously, 40:17 it multiplies how quickly it heals. 40:21 So we've seen it with both coming together, 40:23 we've seen if it was just one willing 40:25 where somebody just says, 40:27 "Okay, well, I'll talk to Alane." 40:29 And so she sets up an appointment 40:31 or the guys says, "I'll talk to Tom." 40:33 And it's a starting place. 40:34 And we've seen God take that starting place 40:37 and move into miracles 40:38 where both of them come together. 40:40 I know that you have some resources 40:41 that we want to touch on here briefly. 40:43 But someone at the home says, 40:45 "Okay, I will never be able to go to one of the retreats." 40:49 You were talking about and you touched on it briefly 40:51 about the relationship with Jesus, 40:52 that's the most important thing. 40:54 Absolutely. How do I start? How do I start? 40:56 You know, I know we can get the resources, 40:58 but what would be your advice to somebody at home 41:01 that would say, "I need this. 41:03 I know I need it. Where do I begin?" 41:05 Yeah, well, for me, 41:07 it was starting with recognizing 41:09 that I was not who I thought I was. 41:12 So becoming real with yourself? I was becoming honest. 41:16 And honesty is sometimes brutal. 41:18 It's hard. Oh, yeah. 41:20 But it is so satisfying 41:22 in its results and its fruit, okay? 41:24 I was raised in a Seventh-day Adventist Christian home, 41:28 very loving parents, 41:30 but I did not understand 41:32 the power of the gospel of Jesus Christ 41:34 until I was in my 20s. 41:36 When I came to recognize 41:38 what myself was doing in my relationship with God 41:42 in my marriage and other people, 41:45 it was totally eye-opening to me. 41:47 I didn't know what the death of self was 41:49 when I was growing up. 41:50 It's like everybody has a self. 41:52 But I would never been able to say that to you. 41:54 I can say it now. 41:55 Every one of you out there has a self, okay? 41:57 Yeah. That's right. We sure do. 41:58 But when I came to recognize that, 42:02 there was some arguing, some justifying, some fighting 42:06 like the apostle Paul fighting, wrestling. 42:09 But when I let it go. 42:11 And I said, "God, I can't change me. 42:14 But I want You to change me." 42:16 When we are willing to be willing to surrender 42:19 'cause sometimes I've been on my knees in my closet... 42:21 I don't mind admitting this 42:22 to these people 'cause I'm real. 42:24 I've been on my knees in my closet 42:26 literally in the dark of my closet saying, 42:29 "I don't want to do that Lord, not now. 42:32 But I love You enough 42:33 and I know what You've done in my life. 42:35 I'm willing to be made willing to change me. 42:38 You can do it. I can't change myself. 42:39 Make me willing 'cause I'm willing," 42:41 that kind of surrender is a life changing. 42:45 I think one of the keys that you mentioned too 42:47 is that God is the one that does the changing 42:48 because many times, 42:49 you know, we can beat ourselves or walk on our hands or, 42:52 you know, all this stuff to try and again 42:56 that it's Jesus Christ that does the changing 42:57 but we have to be willing. 42:59 Saying that we are willing to surrender. 43:00 You have any word or thoughts? 43:02 I think it's important that we see His love for us. 43:06 And to me, that's what made the difference. 43:08 It's not just what we understand to be, 43:11 you know, our church rules or faith rules. 43:15 But what is God? Who is He for me personally? 43:18 And look at His life and look at the life of Christ, 43:21 His Son and what He went through. 43:22 And the most powerful book 43:23 I've ever read is the book Desire of Ages. 43:26 That helped me get a picture 43:28 of who Jesus is and who His father is. 43:31 That turned my heart to love in response to what He has done. 43:36 When you see that His journey through the life 43:38 here in our lives, 43:40 you know, we've all had the ups and the downs, 43:42 we've all hit those points of rejection or whatever. 43:45 But when we see that He went through it 43:48 and with the Spirit in which He went through it, 43:49 turns our hearts and gives us that, 43:51 you know, so focus on Him. 43:54 And then it's the motivation for us 43:56 to give our heart turns love begets love, 44:00 love response to love. 44:01 And then that happens in the marriage. 44:03 The more he loves me, the more I love him back. 44:05 The more I love him, the more he loves me. 44:06 And we say, "Can it get any better?" 44:07 And it always does. So we love it. 44:10 It's a great cycle. Yes, it's a great cycle. 44:12 That is a good cycle. Praise the Lord. 44:14 Let's talk about some of those resources that you have. 44:16 I know we have a graphic of some of the books 44:19 that you have in Restoration International in the ministry. 44:22 Okay, well, we almost got off on 44:25 from malfunction to miracles. 44:29 Well, speaking of resources, 44:30 you're going to put up the graphics, 44:31 but if they go to our website Restoration-International.org. 44:35 All of our materials are free to listen to. 44:39 You can download or listen online. 44:40 And even if you cannot go to one of the Family Retreats, 44:43 past or previous years' family retreats 44:45 are all there that you can... 44:47 Free of charge? Free of charge. 44:49 You can be in the retreat and never having been on site. 44:51 They'd be right there just sitting there 44:52 in your home watching... 44:54 What a resource. 44:55 Yeah, so those are resources out there. 44:57 And then of course, 44:58 our associates the Rayne family, 44:59 they have done the program here at 3ABN on the family, 45:01 connected family. 45:03 And they wrote a book that's very interactive, 45:05 very powerful for parents. 45:06 We encourage every family to get that 45:08 who have children 45:10 because it's something that they can do to journal along... 45:12 The connected family. The connected family. 45:13 And the last is the one they wrote, okay. 45:15 By Paul and Carolyn Rayne 45:16 'cause they give you things and you go back and journal 45:19 and then you review what you've done to see 45:21 what can you do different to do that. 45:22 So then we have For Better or For Best. 45:26 Yeah, I take that worst out of the best. 45:29 We've all been on the worst part 45:30 all of that is going to turn it around. 45:32 So what's that book about? 45:33 So that's our marriage book that we wrote. 45:35 And actually that book was kind of birthed 45:38 with our last visit to 3ABN 45:40 when we did the Marriage Heart to Heart series. 45:42 And again this is a very practical book 45:45 not because we wrote it because it is, okay? 45:47 We both write about the same thing, 45:50 her's in the italics, 45:51 so that you can see the woman's perspective. 45:53 And we just give in to the nuts and bolts of daily life 45:56 in the marriage. 45:57 And how self works 45:59 and how God wants to work to deal with self. 46:01 So yeah, so we would encourage all the readers 46:03 to get the book, read it. 46:05 And the next book is I Choose, I think, His Way. 46:09 That was written by Hannah Rayne. 46:11 Paul and Carolyn's oldest. 46:13 And she wrote it when she was 14 years old. 46:15 We read it and we were moved. 46:17 The relationship, a young person 46:18 can have the insight 46:20 and depths of God in a young person's life. 46:23 Very powerful, very practical, very simple. 46:27 I was expecting a 14-year old edition. 46:31 That's not negative. 46:33 That's just reality 46:34 'cause I knew she had an experience with God. 46:36 But when we read that I was brought to tears. 46:38 I mean, this is, yeah, a youth book. 46:42 But I tell you what? It goes beyond the youth. 46:44 So it's not just for the young people is what you're saying. 46:47 Any age could benefit. It is for any age. 46:48 Yeah, every age. 46:49 But it definitely the youth, in this day and age, 46:52 the youth are being pulled on every side. 46:55 Then one more we saw there is Home School. 46:56 Yes. 46:58 Tell us a little bit about that resource. 46:59 Powerful potentials of home school, that books is... 47:02 Say one more time, 47:03 powerful potentials of Home School. 47:07 Because we believe education 47:09 is more than the scholastic aspect. 47:11 Education is character development. 47:14 Therefore, the potential of the education 47:16 we give our children has eternal benefits and results. 47:19 That's what God wants us to put in our minds as parents, 47:22 and we believe very strongly in Christian education. 47:25 And not every parent or every child, you know, 47:28 has the opportunity to attend a formal church school setting. 47:33 And so we were in that situation 47:36 and we had the desire to homeschool anyway. 47:38 And so we wanted to do that. 47:41 God put us on a journey 47:42 and that journey is in the book. 47:44 It's very simply written. 47:46 But it covers a few areas that have been very helpful. 47:50 And to recognize again 47:51 that we want to focus on character development, 47:53 God uses the scholastic aspects to develop the character. 47:56 Amen. That's fantastic. 47:58 Then I know your family's involved with music. 48:00 And so you have some CD's also that are available. 48:02 Tell us about those because, you know, 48:04 as we were shown before show the graphic, tell us quickly. 48:06 Okay, here is the graphic. Let's look that. 48:07 So we've got several CDs here. They have hymns. 48:09 Yeah, that's his favorite hymns. 48:11 It was a fun with our whole family did this 48:13 with a very dear friend of ours from Australia 48:15 who's a very beautiful pianist. 48:17 And that's another story. 48:18 But he did all the piano accompaniment for families 48:22 that can use it for family worship 48:24 who maybe don't have a piano in the home. 48:26 And, you know... 48:27 So there is no vocal on that. It is vocal. 48:31 Our family is singing every hymn, 48:32 all the verses in harmonies. 48:34 Our children, yeah. 48:35 Because all the verses tell the real story. 48:38 That's how we feel anyway. But we do love music. 48:41 And we did a scripture song as well. 48:43 I saw that one. 48:44 And that was done when our children quite young 48:46 just I was even reading when we did that one. 48:49 And then... 48:50 We actually did two scriptures only one... 48:52 One is only available now online, 48:54 and most of those we wrote, 48:56 so you can download it that way. 48:58 So the favorite scripture songs, 49:01 and then the Rayne's have their two Little Lessons. 49:06 Hannah and Caleb did To Know Him. 49:08 And the One Harmony Him was our family. 49:10 Oh, that's great. Yeah, so. 49:12 When I was getting through that 49:14 I know that you've been on 3ABN before 49:15 and your family's been on, 49:17 tell us quickly I know we're running out of time, 49:18 you have some grandchildren 49:19 just tell us quickly about your family 49:21 'cause there are some people are saying, 49:22 "We want to know how their kids are doing?" 49:24 Well, thank you. I always want to. 49:25 Did we talk about the grandchildren? 49:27 You know, we're at that age in life now 49:28 we've got five grandchildren, 49:30 all four and under, so busy moms. 49:32 And we're loving that. 49:34 But we're also loving the fact that we're seeing a whole new, 49:37 we call it a crop, a whole crop. 49:39 New generation. 49:42 Whole new generation of young people 49:43 with their young children coming back to Family Retreat. 49:47 Our children are among those. 49:49 And it is the beautiful thing 49:50 because here's what we've noticed, 49:52 observation over the years, 49:53 is that they have their children, 49:56 they are at family retreat, 49:58 they're busy with the infants and all this. 50:00 And then it gets a couple years into it. 50:01 And they say, "We need to go to Family Retreat." 50:04 Okay, because... That's an encouragement. 50:06 Yes. Exactly. 50:08 So, you know, that's been great. 50:09 And we're enjoying that phase of life. 50:12 Do your children live near you or you are distance from them? 50:15 Well, unfortunately, they all live away 50:17 'cause they live closer to us when we are in Montana. 50:20 But our girls and their husbands and families 50:23 are in Washington State, okay? 50:25 It's also about 22 hours from us. 50:27 And our son is in Irvine, California. 50:30 That's six hours. 50:32 So anyway, we're not as close as we like them to be. 50:35 But we're so close as a family. 50:36 Oh, absolutely. That's good. 50:38 Close to the Lord and pray for one another, 50:40 encourage one another. 50:41 That's important. 50:43 Yeah, you know, I think of the prayers I think of my parents 50:45 that I know how they spent, 50:46 I don't even know all the hours 50:48 that they spent in prayer for me, 50:50 and I appreciate the prayers and their continued prayers. 50:52 And I know your children do and your grandchildren now. 50:55 And I have to say you all look young 50:57 because I know about 40 years of marriage 51:00 and the ministries in the mid to late 20s, right? 51:02 How many years of rest... We started in '89 officially. 51:05 It's incredible. So number of years. 51:08 And God has blessed you both. Thank you all so much. 51:11 What we want to do right now 51:12 we want to put up the contact information 51:14 for Restoration International. 51:16 We've put up the web address several times. 51:19 But we want to put the entire thing up. 51:21 I want to encourage you 51:22 if you want to go to one of these retreats, 51:24 Family Retreat, Men's Retreat, Marriage Retreat, 51:27 if you need counseling, they counsel people, 51:30 you can contact of them. 51:32 If you would like to 51:33 financially support this ministry 51:35 so that other people can experience healing, 51:38 other people can have restoration of their families. 51:41 If you would like any of the resources 51:44 that we talked about here, 51:46 here is the way that you can contact them for yourself. 51:51 Restoration International is committed 51:53 to the fulltime ministry of the practical power of Christ. 51:57 They do that through church seminars, 51:59 public conventions, family retreats, 52:02 personal counseling, and books, and audiovisual materials. 52:06 To find out more information about their retreats 52:08 or to invite them to speak, 52:10 visit their website Restoration-International.org. 52:14 That's Restoration-International.org. 52:18 You may also call them at 928-275-2301 52:23 or write to them at Restoration International, 52:26 PO Box 145, Seligman, Arizona, 86337. |
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