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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:10 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn, 01:11 and we welcome you once again to 3ABN Today. 01:15 We hope that you're having a wonderful day 01:17 wherever you are 01:19 because we're having a great day here. 01:21 I want to start our program. 01:24 Today, we are going to be looking 01:27 at a very exciting project, 01:30 and you don't want to miss this 01:31 because we've got two five-minute video segments 01:35 of something that is going to blow your mind. 01:38 This cinematography is incredible, 01:40 and this project is called "The Lineage Project", 01:44 and it is something that has been sponsored 01:47 by the North England Conference 01:49 of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. 01:51 But before I introduce our special guest, 01:54 I was thinking what would be a good scripture 01:57 to open this program. 02:00 And what came to my mind is Habakkuk 2. 02:04 Let me read verses 2 and 3. 02:07 The Lord is speaking to Habakkuk 02:09 and He says, "Write the vision and make it plain 02:12 that he may run who reads it. 02:15 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, 02:18 but at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. 02:21 Though it tarries, wait for it. 02:23 Because it will surely come, it will not tarry." 02:27 The Lineage Project, I guess, I'll let them explain it, 02:31 but in essence, this is a project 02:34 that is following the heritage of our church, 02:39 the heritage of the Christian church. 02:42 And they go back through the Protestant Reformation 02:45 and ride up into today what's going on. 02:48 And I believe this is something that is so greatly needed, 02:52 but their special focus is to reach youth. 02:56 So stay tuned you're going to want to hear 02:59 and see this project 03:01 and how you can see it online. 03:03 So let me introduce our special guest today. 03:07 First, we have with us Adam Ramdin. 03:12 And you are the youth director 03:15 for the North England Conference, is that correct? 03:17 Yeah, that's correct. Yeah. 03:18 Wonderful. We're so glad you're here. 03:20 And then we have Marie and Clive. 03:23 Well, help me say this... 03:24 Clive. Clive. 03:26 Marie and Clive. 03:27 I was focusing on the last name that's why I missed that up. 03:30 Coutet, is that correct? Yes. 03:32 We're so glad that you have joined us. 03:34 So, Adam, let's just kick this off. 03:37 Tell us in your words, 03:41 what is the Lineage Project about? 03:45 I was going to say, it's a video project, 03:47 but it's actually more than that. 03:48 The thinking or the vision behind it 03:50 as working, myself as working as the youth director 03:54 was to create resource 03:55 that would be accessible for young people, 03:58 and it would be a way where they can tap into 04:01 and understand their spiritual heritage and history. 04:04 A lot of young people today don't read 04:07 and if they do, they don't read books, 04:08 they just maybe read an article. 04:10 And so as a young person growing up in the church 04:13 there's not many resources where they can find out 04:16 where we come from as a people unless you read. 04:19 And without people reading today, 04:22 people aren't really connecting with their roots 04:25 and where they come from. 04:26 So Lineage aim to kind of create a video resource 04:29 that would be showed and easy to watch 04:33 where they could see where we as a people, 04:36 whereas we as Protestants as Adventists 04:38 where we come from, what our lineage, 04:40 and what our background is. 04:41 And so that was kind of the vision behind it, 04:45 and then it just kind of, I guess. 04:48 It just started growing and growing. 04:50 Started to grow. 04:51 Well, it actually started not so much with... 04:55 It was kind of a collaboration 04:57 between myself and another person 04:58 called Clive Coutet, not this Clive Coutet, 05:00 another Clive Coutet, 05:02 don't get confused, there's two. 05:04 So Clive Coutet Jr. is what you're saying. 05:07 They're actually born on the same day 05:08 hence the same name, I believe. 05:11 Really? 05:12 He approached me, we're in the British Museum in London 05:14 and he approached me and said, 05:15 "I'd love to do some videos 05:17 here in the British Museum, and London, 05:20 it's the city I was raised in 05:21 on some of the Christian history 05:23 you can find in the British Museum." 05:24 And I said, "Oh, you know, great idea." 05:26 And I said, "Well, let's video Oxford as well 05:29 because it's only, you know, 45 minutes up the road, 05:31 and let's go to Lutterworth where John Wycliffe comes from 05:34 because that's only other another hour up the road, 05:36 and lets video them and Edinburgh too 05:38 because that's not far away." 05:40 And then I don't know at what point 05:42 we went from there to the whole of Europe, 05:44 but it happened somewhere. 05:46 And we thought, "Well, let's just kind of 05:48 make a chronological journey of videos 05:51 that kind of chart our history and take people on the journey 05:54 from the beginning up until today." 05:56 Now these videos are all five-minute videos. 05:59 Yeah, roughly. Yeah. Roughly. 06:01 And this is something that we're learning 06:03 for the millennial generation that they and the younger ones 06:08 they want something short and sweet that they can see. 06:11 So you have how many episodes have you so far? 06:15 We started releasing them in January of this year 2017. 06:18 And there's been one episode per week every Wednesday, 06:21 and so far... 06:23 Well, by the end of the year, we'll have 48 episodes 06:26 for this current season, I guess you should say. 06:30 It's very impressive. 06:31 So, Marie and Clive, let me ask you this. 06:34 Where did your son, Clive Jr. get the desire 06:40 or at what point did God birthed in his heart 06:43 that he should be in cinematography? 06:47 Ever since he was growing up, he's been watching his dad, 06:50 and sometimes myself filming our church in Croydon, 06:54 the Croydon Seventh-day Adventist Church, 06:57 and that church is livestream now. 07:00 So he's been watching us. 07:01 But when he finished his studies, 07:04 high school studies, 07:06 he was going to uni, and he told us... 07:09 And uni being university... University. 07:11 For those of us who... So it's English short term. 07:13 University. Okay. 07:15 So he told myself and Clive, 07:18 "Mum, I'm going to study 07:20 film studies and video production." 07:23 And we were worried about it 07:25 because how could our child from who has been brought up 07:29 from the Seventh-day Adventist Church 07:31 going to the secular world to learn this skill. 07:37 But unknown to us he had a plan, 07:41 but God had a better plan for his life. 07:44 He started filming one of his friend's sermon, 07:48 his friend's name is Dean, 07:50 and he said, "Clive, why don't you film my sermon 07:54 as my girlfriend is in Brazil 07:57 so we can send it to her and she'll watch it." 08:01 And they started from there 08:02 and then in the second year of university, 08:06 he started filming from, you know, different churches, 08:10 Sabbath after Sabbath 08:12 and it all excelled from there, 08:14 and he went to do missionary work as well. 08:17 And then he joined... 08:20 Had that plan with Adam doing Lineage. 08:23 It started all from there. 08:25 And we give thanks to God and we prayed about it as well. 08:28 Amen. And God has blessed him. 08:31 And we prayed that it continues to do the same. 08:34 If this project is finished, 08:36 it will be another one and another one, 08:38 still working for God. 08:40 Yes. Amen. Yes. 08:41 Clive Sr. papa. 08:43 Papa Clive, I'll call you. 08:45 You actually were involved in the filming of this project. 08:50 So you're used to more being behind the scenes, 08:53 behind the camera than in front of the camera. 08:55 But you must be so proud 08:57 that God is using or has put His hand on your son 09:01 to use him in this way. 09:03 Amen. Praises to God. 09:05 Amen. Amen. 09:07 What was it like for you in working on the project? 09:12 I'm very blessed to be part of the team. 09:15 And from the beginning I've been there. 09:19 And I think I only miss about two sessions, 09:24 but most of the time I'm with them. 09:27 And I'm very pleased about that 09:28 and very blessed about it as well. 09:30 Amen. Amen. 09:32 I'm sure this is having a great spiritual impact on all of you. 09:36 You know, as Sister White once said, 09:40 "We have nothing to fear lest 09:41 we forget how God has led us in the past." 09:46 And there are so many people who... 09:48 It's not just the youth 09:50 who don't understand the Christian heritage, 09:54 and how God has rescued the people 09:58 and brought them forward. 10:00 Many people do not understand 10:02 what it even means to be a Protestant anymore. 10:05 And it's something that is rather quite scary 10:07 because if we forget the past, 10:10 it will repeat itself, I'm afraid. 10:12 So what we'd like to do is show one of those videos. 10:17 Sure. 10:18 Let's look at episode one of The Lineage Project. 10:42 As we trace back our spiritual lineage 10:45 to the early centuries, 10:46 we find the Christian church a maligned religion, 10:50 it was not popular. 10:52 Many of the Christians in the early centuries 10:55 paid the ultimate price 10:56 for their faith with their lives. 10:58 The Colosseum in Rome stands today 11:01 as a testament of this fact. 11:03 Under pagan Rome, 11:05 the Christian church struggled along, 11:08 but one thing was sure, 11:10 the intensity of the persecution 11:12 kept the church free 11:14 from nominal and lukewarm Christians. 11:17 If you were a Christian, you had to be all in, 11:20 there was no middle ground. 11:23 But in the fourth century, an event would come along 11:26 that would change all of that dramatically. 11:28 The conversion of Constantine changed the course of history 11:32 for the whole of Christendom 11:34 and the roots of that come down here to York, England. 11:41 In 306 AD, Constantine was declared emperor here. 11:45 His father Constantius 11:47 was in Britain from 305 to 306 AD, 11:50 and Constantine was with him until his death. 11:53 He was then declared emperor, 11:55 but it was not to be a smooth sailing. 11:58 There were counter claims to the emperorship 12:00 from Licinius and Maxentius. 12:03 And as before a battle with Maxentius 12:05 that Constantine felt, 12:07 he needed more help than just the soldiers he had 12:10 and so he sought the help of God. 12:12 He believed, he saw a cross in the sky and heard the words, 12:16 "By this sign, you shall conquer." 12:19 He took this as a sign to convert to Christianity 12:23 and a major switch began to take place. 12:26 Rome would go from being pagan to papal, 12:30 from paganism to professed Christianity. 12:33 Many historians debate 12:35 the authenticity of Constantine's conversion. 12:39 Was it a deep rooted biblical conviction? 12:42 Or was it a political ploy 12:44 to keep a divided empire together? 12:47 One thing is sure though that after his conversion, 12:50 practices crept into the church 12:52 that previously had no place there. 12:55 Temples that were pagan were changed to Christian. 12:58 The Pantheon in Rome 13:00 was changed into a Christian church, 13:02 and the names of gods were changed to Christian saints. 13:05 For example, Jupiter became St. Peter and the list goes on. 13:15 While some were happy for these changes 13:18 and welcomed the lack of persecution 13:20 and their new found status. 13:21 There were many Christians all over Europe 13:24 who resisted these changes. 13:26 For them the persecution continued 13:29 as they stayed out of line with the mother church. 13:32 These were Christians who were maintaining 13:35 the pure apostolic faith 13:36 that was handed down to them over the years. 13:39 They were scattered groups of people all over Europe 13:43 in Northern Italy, in Southern France, 13:45 the Celtic Church here in Britain, 13:47 and in various other places. 13:49 The Bible refers to them as the church in the wilderness 13:53 in Revelation 12:6 and 14. 13:57 They were not always the biggest, 13:58 they were not always the largest, 14:00 but God would always have a people that were true to Him 14:04 and that were faithful to His Word. 14:06 And so from this point on, 14:08 two branches of the church would emerge, 14:11 the recognized, the mainstream, 14:13 but the compromised church, 14:15 and then the persecuted often the smaller, 14:18 but the pure church. 14:19 The question for us today 14:20 is which one of these two are we a part of? 14:24 May we never compromise truth for popularity, 14:28 may we be faithful to God and to His Word 14:31 no matter what the situation is. 14:53 Incredible cinematography. 14:56 And we have swapped out guests. 14:58 Marie has left this, and we have Jasper Iturriaga. 15:02 Yeah, Iturriaga. I said it correct. 15:04 Correct. 15:05 Jasper, we're glad that you've joined us, 15:06 and you're actually were the cinematographer 15:09 on this project, right? 15:10 Yes. Yeah, working as cinematographer. 15:12 Okay, wonderful. 15:13 Well, let me ask you this, 15:15 what kind of impact 15:18 is the Lineage Project having on people? 15:22 Good question. 15:23 I mean, originally, you know, sometimes 15:26 interesting to observe that 15:28 sometimes what you think may just be something small 15:30 and ends up being bigger than you intended. 15:32 Originally, the project was just to reach the youth 15:36 in the conference I work in, 15:38 we have videos for them, but it's kind of... 15:40 It's become more than that 15:42 or has reached further afield than that. 15:44 And so the platform that we chose to release them 15:48 was social media so Facebook and YouTube 15:50 and that is accessible anywhere. 15:52 And so we put the videos 15:54 every week on Facebook and YouTube 15:57 with the intention of having something on demand 15:59 that people can access, 16:00 and it's been accessed all over, 16:02 you know, different parts of the world. 16:04 I think about 45 countries so far we've had viewing in. 16:08 That's incredible. 16:10 And it's been translated 16:12 in different languages with subtitles 16:14 so it's kind of gone further 16:15 than we could've planned or imagined. 16:17 How many languages do you think? 16:18 At the moment, I think it's about 12. 16:21 Well, that's amazing. 16:23 Twelve different languages that have put subtitles 16:26 in their languages. 16:27 And we've voiceovers in three languages so far. 16:31 Wonderful. Polish, Italian, and Croatian. 16:34 So what demographic are you actually reaching? 16:40 It's mainly young people. 16:42 I think the recent thing that I've seen was 17 to... 16:46 Was it 17 years old to 20? 16:48 Thirteen to seventeen. Thirteen to seventeen. 16:49 Is our highest viewers. Yeah. 16:51 Thirteen to seventeen. 16:52 Is the highest viewers, 16:54 and the second highest is 18 to 25. 16:55 Praise God. 16:57 It's actually a surprise to me too 16:58 because I thought it's gonna be like 17:00 mostly older generation. 17:02 But there's a lot of interest, 17:03 especially, with the young people. 17:05 I think sometimes we're like people think 17:06 the young people aren't interested in history 17:08 or the history is like boring or it's whatever. 17:11 And I think this illustrates that people do want to know 17:15 where they've come from, and what their background is, 17:18 and what their spiritual history is, 17:19 and what their spiritual heritage is, 17:20 if the highest viewers are teenagers and early 20s. 17:25 So that was our intended audience 17:27 and we're very thankful and happy 17:30 that's who is actually been 17:31 our highest demographic watching. 17:34 And it's something when you think about 17:36 that if you were to sit them down with a history book 17:39 they might be, 17:41 but when you see the beauty of this project 17:45 as you're watching this, 17:47 that's an incredible thing to attract them, 17:50 the idea that you kept them to around five minutes, 17:53 this is something that keeps their attention. 17:55 I think sometimes that we're almost training our children 17:58 to have the attention of a hummingbird. 18:00 You know, they dip from this little flower 18:02 and then they dip from this little flower, 18:04 but it's wonderful to have such a resource out here. 18:08 Now I'm interested to know 18:12 was the team... 18:15 you were doing this for youth... 18:19 Who was the team comprised of? 18:21 Did you have many youth? 18:23 Yeah, a good question. 18:24 Most of the people on the team 18:26 are under the age of 30. 18:29 Yeah. 18:30 I'm one of the few that's not, 18:33 but I still like to think I'm young. 18:35 So I'm one of the few that's actually over 30 18:37 and then we have... 18:39 Clive is. We affectionately... 18:40 Clive, of course, is under 30, right, Clive? 18:43 We affectionately call him Uncle Clive. 18:45 Uncle Clive, yeah. 18:47 Clive, what part do you play as far as the cinematography? 18:51 I am the assistant cameraman. 18:53 Okay. And I do the 360. 18:55 The 360. So you're getting the whole... 18:57 Yes, yes. 18:58 And I help them in anything driving, 19:01 and a lot of, especially, when you are in Europe 19:05 and sometimes keep the stress away from Adam, 19:09 I have to tell him jokes. 19:12 He does behind the scenes as well. 19:13 Yeah, behind the scene. 19:14 So when we've gone to locations, 19:16 we've had a 360 camera, 19:17 and we've released those videos also 19:19 people can kind of view a 360 video 19:22 of the Waldensian College 19:24 or, you know, famous churches and kind of involve them 19:29 and to experience it bit more so. 19:30 It gives more people to immerse more into the sceneries. 19:35 And that's one thing 19:36 because you mentioned about young people 19:38 really being interested about the sceneries 19:40 and when we started Lineage, that's exactly what we wanted, 19:44 we wanted to catch young people 19:46 with the cinematography and beautiful sceneries. 19:49 Interestingly enough when I was starting video 19:52 and when we started Lineage 19:54 that was the whole idea 19:56 because that's why you said my generation 20:00 most of us will not really read books 20:01 or listen to very long sermons. 20:04 And so that's where it started 20:06 like we wanted to reach them out 20:08 of from where they are. 20:11 Well, Jasper, let me ask you this question. 20:14 Why don't you read? No. 20:16 No, I love reading, but yeah, most of us... 20:17 No, I'm just kidding you. 20:19 As an author, it always hurts me 20:21 when I hear that younger people aren't reading, 20:23 but when your part on this, 20:26 you know, when we think about 20:28 what the Lord has made available to us now 20:30 it is so exciting 20:32 because you saw that beautiful cinematography, 20:35 but a lot of those were drone shots 20:37 and that's incredible. 20:39 So tell us you are the drone pilot as well, right? 20:42 Yeah, it was... 20:45 I started out from the Philippines 20:47 and I've never met Adam. 20:48 I've never met the whole team, so... 20:50 It's an interesting thing 20:52 how the team just came together in some ways organically, 20:55 me and Clive, and then he said, 20:58 "Oh, I know a guy in the Philippines." 20:59 But he actually didn't know, he just met him online. 21:01 They kind of conversed on, 21:03 you know, video stuff back and forth. 21:04 He said, "You want to bring him over." 21:06 I said, "If you need another hand sure bring him over." 21:09 And then we were on our way 21:10 to film in the Waldensian Valleys, 21:11 and we met him on the way, picked him up in Paris. 21:15 That's how we got to meet. 21:16 Clive met him for the first time, I did, 21:17 and it just worked out that, 21:19 you know, as a team we all kind of worked out, 21:20 you know, worked out together. 21:22 So I believe God really brought 21:24 different elements of the team together. 21:26 It's just amazing because with these talents, 21:30 I can't really... 21:32 If I get to organize this again, 21:33 it's really impossible to get a sound man, 21:35 photographer, drone pilot, everything in one, 21:38 and with one mindset, and one goal, 21:42 it's just amazing, you know. 21:44 It is. 21:45 And I flew from the Philippines. 21:47 I was a pastor 21:49 and then I quit pastoral work just to make video 21:51 because I really feel like I'm really cool 21:54 to do more films, yeah. 21:56 So how long did you pastor? 21:58 I used to be an evangelist for Amazing Facts 22:00 for two years in Indonesia, 22:02 and then a pastor for two years in Jakarta, Indonesia. 22:06 Let me ask you this question. 22:08 You know, one thing I love to go out 22:09 and speak on the weekends. 22:11 We go to, you know, different churches and speak 22:15 or camp meetings and things. 22:16 Mollie always tells me, 22:18 "But, Shelley, you can reach more people with one sermon 22:22 when it's on 3ABN," 22:25 than all of that, but I still love it, 22:26 it keeps me connected. 22:29 So essentially, Jasper, 22:31 what you found or what you felt, 22:33 I should say, 22:35 was that God was calling you into something a project 22:39 that could reach youth, reach young people 22:44 and really make a major impact on their life. 22:47 Yeah, it started when I was... 22:48 I've never studied videography. 22:51 When I was a pastor, just watch YouTube videos 22:54 of how to do things. 22:55 And there's a lot of resources in YouTube 22:59 if you have time to watch it. 23:00 So I've watched all these videos 23:02 and the first time, I actually made a major videos 23:06 was a mission trip in the Philippines, 23:08 and I had a free time to go to this beautiful island 23:11 called El Nido in the Philippines. 23:13 I filmed it for three days, 23:15 published it in a span of few months 23:18 I got close to two million views. 23:20 Wow! 23:21 And then, I realized that I could reach a lot of people 23:26 by watching my videos and making this, 23:28 you know, amazing drone shots. 23:30 You know, so I was talking to Clive, Clive's son, 23:34 Clive about making a project some day, you know. 23:38 And then he called me, and I was really interested 23:40 so then, you know what, I'm gonna go fly to Europe 23:42 and yeah, then we started a project. 23:44 Praise God. Praise God. 23:46 Now I do have to tell you one thing, 23:48 and I hope this won't disappoint you. 23:50 But we may mess up your statistics. 23:52 Right now your highest viewing demographic is aged 13 to 17, 23:57 the second highest 17 to 25. 24:00 But I imagine once you get this website information 24:03 that we may mess up your demographic 24:06 because you're probably getting... 24:08 I mean, these are... 24:12 Can we say the stories are encapsulated, 24:14 it may not be in-depth thought if you were taking. 24:17 No, it's more of a snapshot 24:19 into the history of certain characters like 24:23 John Wycliffe or Jan Hus or Martin Luther. 24:25 We aren't able to do in-depth in them. 24:28 The idea would be it introduces people 24:30 to their life and their story, 24:32 and then if they want to read more in-depth 24:33 or watch more in-depth 24:35 and there's other resources out there 24:36 that they could go to as well. 24:38 Well, I actually think it's a very clever way to do it 24:40 because that's something that a lot of people just want, 24:43 you know, give me the bullet points. 24:45 And then if I want more information, I'll look for it. 24:48 And they go for it. Our website offers it. 24:50 So it's a lot of in-depth stuff too in our website. 24:52 Wonderful. 24:54 And that's the North England Conference website. 24:57 The Lineage Journey website. 24:59 Oh, the Lineage Journey website. 25:00 There's a lot of... 25:01 Every episode on the website 25:03 has an accompanying article that's been written. 25:04 Just kind of give more detail 25:06 and then there's also additional articles, 25:08 kind of generally on the German Reformation 25:10 or the English Reformation that go even more in-depth. 25:14 And so when people go to the website, 25:16 the idea is it's kind of created a little bit like a... 25:20 Encyclopedia. 25:21 Something like that. 25:22 So that people can go there, 25:24 do some historical research as well 25:26 with the articles and kind of read up a bit more. 25:28 I know that I'm going to check it out. 25:31 It's beautiful. 25:32 But now, Clive, you've been in the church, how many years? 25:36 I am born Adventist. 25:38 You were born in an Adventist family, 25:41 you didn't become a Christian too. 25:42 You made that decision yourself, 25:44 so you can't say you were born Adventist. 25:47 At the church that I am now, 25:49 I have been in there for 47 years 25:51 the Croydon Church. 25:53 And there's something I would like to add 25:55 about the Croydon church. 25:57 Every Sabbath, they watch about 26:01 three to five Lineage episodes 26:04 and then they make group and discuss about it. 26:07 Praise God. 26:08 And also my daughter told me. 26:11 I've got a daughter in Australia. 26:13 She said, in Australia, they are teaching it, 26:16 they are showing it in different schools as well, 26:20 not only Adventist school. 26:22 Wonderful. Yes, yeah. 26:25 As I said, this is something that is so desperately needed 26:28 not all Adventist Christians know the history 26:31 the way they should, 26:33 but you find that in many churches, 26:36 the history is not known at all. 26:38 I mean, some people had no idea 26:39 what the word Protestant even stands for. 26:42 And now we're seeing movements 26:45 where people are reaching across with clasp hands 26:48 with the papacy and saying the protest is over. 26:52 So it's very important 26:54 if we ignore our history, guess what? 27:00 History will repeat itself. 27:02 And I think it's going to repeat itself, anyway, 27:04 but we need to know so we can stand firm, don't we? 27:07 Well, praise the Lord. 27:09 I think would you like to show the second episode now? 27:11 Show. 27:13 Let's look at the second episode. 27:14 And this is episode number eight. 27:16 This is number eight, it's on the Waldenses. 27:17 We've done probably about four episodes on the Waldenses 27:20 or maybe five in total. 27:22 And this one just goes into the Waldensian cave 27:26 and then if you've been to the Waldensian Valleys 27:28 and it kind of just looks at some of the aspects of them 27:31 having to use such obscure places 27:36 for places of worship, 27:37 and what the privilege that we have 27:39 not to have to do that today at the moment. 27:41 Let me ask you, who wrote the scripts, 27:43 who did the research on this and wrote the scripts? 27:47 I wrote the scripts. You wrote the scripts? 27:48 So you pretty well versed in history, 27:52 I would say 27:53 or you've become well versed in your project. 27:54 It's always been the passion of mine. 27:56 I mean, I took history when I was in high school, 27:57 and then before university I took it as well. 28:00 It's always been a passion of mine studying history, 28:03 and I've always been interested in church history 28:05 or Adventist history, Christian history. 28:08 But not as in-depth or maybe as on some other reading 28:11 or research I had to do for some of the episodes 28:14 that released this year. 28:15 So some of them I knew well, 28:17 and then, some of them it was kind of 28:18 a little bit of a new experience reading 28:20 and doing the background research. 28:23 And you've been 28:24 with the PEACE Centre for Evangelism in the past, 28:27 so you've been training people to go out and reach others. 28:31 But now this is kind of like stepping up to the plate. 28:37 I believe that we learn to teach, 28:40 and we teach to learn. 28:43 You know, there's nothing like studying and getting it, 28:47 and you're so excited, 28:48 but if you don't go out and share it with somebody, 28:51 you won't really learn it yourself. 28:52 It's just momentary so. True. 28:54 So let's look at episode number eight 28:56 on the Waldensians. 29:19 In the early centuries, 29:21 Rome would lay down the challenge 29:23 either abide by how we want you to live 29:26 or leave your place of residence 29:29 and leave your place of worship. 29:31 And the Waldensians treasured God's Word 29:34 more than they treasured their home. 29:36 And so they would leave and go up into the mountains. 29:48 Life would not have been easy here in the Waldensian Valley. 29:52 The children growing up would have had to learn very quickly 29:56 the lessons of self-sacrifice, 29:58 and self-denial, frugality, and economy. 30:02 Their parents treasured these principles from the Bible 30:06 and they wish to bestow them upon their children. 30:09 They treasure them so much that they retreated up here. 30:12 And here in the mountains, they wanted to teach two things 30:15 number one, they wanted to teach them 30:18 purity of life based on God's Word, 30:20 and number two, they wanted to teach them 30:22 to be a missionary 30:24 and take the faith that they had, 30:26 and take it further afield than just the valleys 30:28 in which they live. 30:30 And so they would have schools up here, 30:31 and they would have places of worship, 30:33 some times in cage where they could teach their children 30:37 and their young people 30:38 how they could go out as missionaries 30:41 and share this message. 30:52 To me it's encouraging to know 30:53 that even when they were scattered in the mountains, 30:56 they would still find time to worship together. 30:59 And I believe it's very important 31:00 that we today meet together 31:02 with fellow believers and worship. 31:06 But the thing that stands out to me here in this place of 31:09 that's not that pretty by earthly standards. 31:12 There's no gold plated pulpit, there's no marble table, 31:17 there's just rocks, they're wet, 31:19 but it's the quietness, and the peace, 31:21 and the simplicity, 31:23 and the purity of this place that is striking. 31:26 Is that if these Waldensians would gather here, 31:29 not just once, it wasn't just a one off, 31:31 it may have been repeatedly, it may have been over years, 31:34 or may have been even over decades 31:35 that they would gather together to worship 31:38 in caves like this that are dotted 31:40 around these mountains. 31:42 For us, church is so comfortable 31:44 or so convenient. 31:47 I've sat on the cold rock, but oftentimes in church, 31:50 we sit on nice comfy chairs. 31:52 The heating may be on, 31:53 it may just be five miles from our house 31:55 or just down the road, 31:56 and yet sometimes we think, "Ah, I'm not too keen to go." 32:00 And I think back to myself, yourself, wherever we are, 32:04 we have a time of relative peace, 32:06 a time of relative freedom 32:08 where we can gather together and worship, 32:11 where we can meet fellow believers. 32:13 And my appeal is 32:14 don't waste the opportunities that you have. 32:16 Don't be so comfortable or so convenient 32:20 that we miss the opportunities that we do have. 32:23 God has given us great opportunities now, 32:26 let's take advantage and use them, 32:27 and take this message to the world around us. 32:53 Now is that not beautiful cinematography? 32:55 That is incredible. 32:59 I don't even want to dare ask, 33:02 but the total cost of this project, 33:05 but the North England Conference 33:08 has sponsored the entire thing or who's been your sponsors? 33:12 North England Conference has... 33:13 Obviously, I work for them and they've sponsored 33:15 the bulk of the cost of the filming 33:17 for this year's season. 33:19 We've also worked in partnership with ARTV. 33:24 Clive does work with them 33:26 so they've kind of helped us out also. 33:28 And it's been a few private donors as well 33:29 that have contributed as well. 33:31 So our division as well as contributed 33:34 for some of the funding for next year's episode, 33:36 the Trans-European Division. 33:37 So there's been funding from a few different avenues 33:42 and that made it possible. 33:43 Exciting, exciting. Yeah. 33:45 Well, if you... 33:46 I don't know if they've done a jib shot yet, 33:49 a wide view of the house set, 33:52 but if they have, you've noticed 33:53 that we've had a very beautiful young lady who has joined us. 33:57 And no stranger to the team. 33:59 This is Aiko, 34:00 and she is Aiko Ramdin, I should say. 34:03 And this is Adam's wife. 34:04 How long you've been married? 34:06 Four years. Four years. 34:08 Okay. 34:09 What was your role in this project? 34:12 Mostly behind the scenes, 34:14 obviously, you don't see me in the episodes, 34:16 but supporting Adam haven't seen as much of him 34:21 during the past year as usual 34:25 because he's been researching and so forth. 34:28 Also I've been chauffeur, driving, 34:32 sometimes at crazy hours of the night. 34:34 I also volunteer helping with captioning and subtitles 34:40 working with... 34:41 All of us we volunteer for that, 34:43 and also helping with sound. 34:46 So you've been the perfect helpmate in all of these, 34:49 you wear many hats... 34:51 And I understand that. 34:52 Aiko, you were here when you were 16 years old 34:56 to do a cooking program on 3ABN. 34:58 Yeah, it's a long time ago. Isn't that exciting? 35:00 So your husband brags on your cooking 35:02 if you know that. 35:04 And I can tell he likes it, 35:05 and I didn't mean that in any bad way. 35:09 Okay, so this project is so exciting, 35:13 what was the experience 35:16 of filming this? 35:20 It's cold. 35:22 What? Cold. 35:23 It's cold. Yeah. 35:25 He came from the Philippines. Yeah. 35:27 You know, sometimes when you plan a project 35:29 and it just becomes more than you originally thought. 35:34 You don't always do things 35:35 that may have been at the best timing of the year. 35:36 Yes. 35:38 And so ideally, the ideal time to film would have been 35:40 the summer, longer days, warmer temperature. 35:42 Green trees. Green trees. 35:44 But we kind of got the idea in September 35:47 and started filming 35:48 in November, December and January. 35:50 So when Jasper says it's cold, he came from the Philippines 35:53 and we were filming in Prague one day, 35:55 and it was minus 15 Celsius. 35:59 We were outside for eight hours all day and... 36:02 That is cold. Cold. 36:03 Too cold. 36:04 I thought maybe you were being a sissy, 36:06 just because you were used to the heat 36:08 but no, that was cold. 36:09 Yeah, it was cold. 36:11 So we've had and then we were in Wittenberg in January. 36:14 And that was snowing, there's snow on the ground. 36:18 But, you know, I think that adds 36:19 a certain element to this because... 36:21 To the viewers, yeah. 36:23 Yeah, for the viewers but for you all. 36:24 So share some of your on the road experiences 36:27 because this is something unless you've ever experienced 36:31 when you're going out, 36:33 videographers or like when we send out a 3ABN team, 36:36 there is always great stories coming back 36:40 from when we're on the road. 36:44 Yeah, it's interesting because like just what I've said, 36:48 I just flew from the Philippines, and... 36:51 Not knowing anybody. 36:53 I don't know anyone, like literally. 36:55 And Clive Jr. you had only met online. 36:58 Yeah, but I've never met these people, 37:01 and I don't recommend that to people 37:03 like go to other nations and, 37:05 you know, not knowing these people and meeting them. 37:08 But yeah, there was this... 37:10 Clive and I connected a lot on the internet 37:13 and when I was starting, I asked him so many questions, 37:15 you know, that so they've seen my project 37:18 and I've seen their project, 37:19 and there's almost like a click, you know, 37:21 to like, "Okay, let's go." 37:23 And so, I think the struggle for me personally is, 37:27 it was too cold, 37:28 it was literally too cold for me, 37:30 and there's no rice most of the time. 37:32 You know, I'm a ricey boy, I'm a Filipino. 37:34 We were in Europe and he'd come over, 37:36 and after four days, we will be eating, 37:37 you know, sandwiches or going out and eat 37:39 in different places, 37:40 and he said, "Man, I am sick and tired 37:43 of this European food. 37:44 I need some rice." 37:46 Tired of pizza, pasta, I'm getting tired of it. 37:49 So we went and bought a rice cooker, 37:50 so he could, you know, have his rice. 37:54 Survive. So caring. 37:56 By the way a lot of the filming has been early, 37:57 you probably know early mornings, late nights, 38:01 and then a lot of the shots like 38:02 we did in London or different cities, 38:04 we want to get the shots before the crowds come. 38:06 And so we've got to get there, 38:08 you know, 4 o'clock, 5 o'clock, 6 o'clock and... 38:11 When it's really bitterly cold... 38:13 When it's cold, when it's early, 38:15 and you're tired. 38:16 So a lot of that has gone into it 38:18 behind the scenes that people, 38:20 you know, they don't see but... 38:21 And I think as well, since it was kind of planned 38:24 as it was happening, 38:26 we didn't have the time to take, 38:30 you know, days and days to film. 38:32 And also another aspect is that many of the members of the team 38:37 are just volunteers so some of them took holiday 38:40 or vacation time to come. 38:42 So we had to squeeze as much as we could 38:44 into a short period of time 38:46 which meant sometimes driving all through the night, 38:49 and just trying to pack everything in to do it in time. 38:52 Let me tell you something 38:54 that is our standard mode of operation. 38:56 Yeah, like two of our guys, they work for Apple day, 38:59 you know, that's their full time job, 39:00 so they took a day off or took two days off 39:02 and we want to get as much filming in that day as possible 39:06 because they're there on those days 39:08 and so that's kind of been challenging. 39:11 We understand completely because at 3ABN, 39:14 you know, if there's one thing we could use 39:16 would be more staff. 39:17 And everybody here wears multiple hats 39:20 and works early and late hours, so... 39:22 One of our biggest challenges 39:24 was the film we did in Europe, in France. 39:27 And so we flew down there, there was eight of us, 39:29 we flew down there, 39:30 we were filming an episode 39:32 that will actually be coming out shortly 39:33 on a French lady called Marie Durand, 39:35 and then we went to the Waldensian Valleys. 39:37 And we were around there for two days 39:40 and we flew down there budget airlines in Europe. 39:44 I won't mention the airline, 39:45 but anyway, they lost one of our bags 39:48 and the one bag that they lost 39:49 had the clothes of two of the team members in it 39:53 and the tripod. 39:54 Oh, no. 39:56 And I think also the batteries for the camera. 39:59 And so we're there in France, the next flight doesn't come in 40:02 until two days time 40:03 when we were scheduled to fly back. 40:05 So we had to find a tripod 40:07 and luckily we were with hosted by a French youth director 40:11 from the conference down there. 40:13 He took us to the conference, we borrowed a tripod, 40:15 it was a lot bigger than ours so a lot heavier to carry, 40:16 but we praise the Lord for anyway. 40:18 And then we were able to rent 40:20 some batteries from a shop in town, 40:21 in terms of the clothing 40:23 that they just kind of had to struggle on, 40:25 you know, in what they had for a couple of days. 40:27 But that was I guess one of a tough challenge 40:32 with lack of clothing, and tripods, and things, 40:35 and been on a tight schedule also. 40:37 Through it all, that was so good because He had us like 40:39 meet the right people 40:41 or had the right people involved in that trip 40:45 that we couldn't have done without. 40:46 So God was in charge, and even though it was tough 40:49 maybe we needed it for our development 40:52 or something or just to see Him work. 40:56 You know, I think God takes us or guides us 40:59 through these experiences 41:00 and there's always lessons that we've learned 41:02 about ourselves and about others. 41:04 What are some of the... 41:05 Jasper, what are some of the lessons you learned? 41:08 Well, I think the number one lessons 41:11 that I've learned about this is to trust God fully. 41:14 Amen. 41:15 Because these guys, they live in England 41:17 which is how many hours away? 41:19 Two hours? 41:20 Flight? Oh, from Europe? 41:22 Yeah? Yeah. 41:23 Yeah. 41:24 Mine is like, what 10 hours, 12 hours, 41:26 and they go, come and go, 41:28 and it will be super expensive for me 41:30 to go back and forth from Europe. 41:32 And then I need to stay in Europe. 41:35 But one thing about Lineage 41:36 is that we're not paid to do this. 41:37 Yes. 41:39 So these are voluntary work. 41:41 So I need to stay in Europe... It's the labor of love. 41:43 Yeah, you need to stay in Europe 41:44 for three months without pay. 41:46 But, you know, the Lord has provided places for me to stay, 41:51 you know, because I can only eat when they're around 41:55 and if they're not around, 41:57 then I have to find my own food and stuff like that, 41:58 and just the places there. 42:00 So Lord has provided people who I've never met. 42:02 They let you keep the rice cooker with you, don't they? 42:05 No, they always bring it. 42:07 It's always, I live with a small luggage, 42:10 very small luggage. 42:11 I can't fit anything that is... 42:13 If I were you, I'd be carrying that rice cooker 42:17 under my arm, wherever I would... 42:18 Yeah. So the secret is to stay with Filipinos in Europe. 42:20 Yeah. 42:21 And get that rice. Yeah. 42:24 What, I know that as you have researched this 42:28 and probably, Aiko, for you as well 42:32 how much have you learned through this experience 42:34 about the history that you didn't know? 42:36 We think we know it till you really start getting into it. 42:39 There is so much more that I've learned. 42:42 And not just, I mean, you can read books and learn, 42:47 but there's something about being able to see the places 42:50 that they were, you know, lived in, 42:54 experiencing the winter there. 42:56 And that helps you to get a deeper understanding 43:00 of just how tough it was, 43:03 and how strong they were not just... 43:07 And it wasn't just their own strength, 43:09 there had to be the strength that God gave them. 43:13 And so like not just the book learning 43:18 through the research and things 43:20 that have gone into the scripts and we have learned around it, 43:23 but just a deeper understanding of the experience. 43:28 And our small little inconveniences 43:31 on the filming trips, 43:33 and sometimes going all day just filming without eating 43:36 because we had to, 43:37 you know, make the most of all the daylight or whatever. 43:40 Those are just pale and insignificance 43:44 compared to what they had to face, 43:47 and what they lived with every day 43:49 of their lives some of them. 43:51 Absolutely. 43:52 But the experience is really valuable, 43:54 like when you read it from the book, 43:55 it's, you're blown away, 43:57 but when you're there, 43:59 like, especially in episode that would be released, 44:00 supposed to be this week. 44:01 Are we releasing that episode? 44:03 Yeah, we are releasing episode called Massacre at Castelluzzo 44:06 where we climbed up two-hour hike, 44:09 going up to the mountain 44:11 and this mountain is where they drop people off. 44:13 If they don't recant, I mean, their faith 44:16 and they'll be dropped off, and I was standing there. 44:18 And when you say we, 44:20 there's people who are watching right now 44:21 who have no idea what we're talking about, 44:23 who's the we that were persecuting these Christians 44:28 that had basically 44:32 split from the papacy 44:35 and they were following sola scriptura, 44:38 sola gratia by grace alone, 44:41 just Bible and the Bible only, sola gratia. 44:43 The grace and grace alone, sola, 44:46 you know, talking about Christos, 44:49 only Jesus can save. 44:50 So there's this group of people 44:53 that who have separated from the papacy, 44:56 from the error of the pastor into the Bible 44:59 because the Bible was now becoming available to them. 45:02 And here they are, they're being marched up 45:05 this mountain by whom? 45:08 By the Roman soldier, 45:09 the Catholic Church technically. 45:11 It was the Jesuit order of the Roman Catholic Church 45:14 and they were then... 45:15 If they didn't recant... 45:17 They'll push. And then... 45:18 Off they went. 45:20 Yeah, our team stood up there, 45:21 and for me, it was very emotional, 45:23 you know, I was trying to hide my tears, 45:27 but I was really like, "Wow! 45:28 This is like, what if I'm here, what will I do? 45:32 Will I recant?" 45:33 Especially, if you see them, 45:35 I mean, they didn't care about age. 45:36 It was women and children and if a man is sitting there 45:40 and they're saying, recant, you know, 45:43 and come back to the papacy. 45:46 If he's watching them... 45:48 If you don't recant, off go your children, 45:51 off go your wife, that would be a tough thing. 45:53 Yeah. 45:55 I think seeing the places where, 45:57 as my wife said, 45:58 just experiencing where they were, 46:01 it makes a big impact on you 46:02 because you're like, you know, in this room this happened 46:04 or, you know, in this valley, this happened 46:07 or people made a stand here. 46:09 And it's to me that sounds a lot 46:12 that you can actually walk in their footsteps 46:14 and be where they are. 46:16 For me a big lesson that stood out to me 46:22 as I was doing the research and traveling and filming 46:25 was how many of the reformers were young? 46:27 You know, we always think... 46:29 At least I, not others, I always thought 46:31 when you look at the pictures 46:33 and most of the pictures are paintings 46:34 or they're black and white, 46:36 you're like, oh, John Wycliffe old, 46:37 you know, William Tyndale old 46:39 because the pictures look old, 46:40 and I mean that's not the way we do pictures today. 46:43 You just assume that there were old, 46:44 60, 70, 80, whatever 90-year old people. 46:49 And they were as a young person would say, they were older. 46:54 When I actually started the research and realize that, 46:57 you know, Martin Luther was only 34 46:58 when he nailed the 95 theses 47:00 to the door of near the Cathedral in Wittenberg, 47:02 and William Tyndale translated the Bible 47:05 into the English language in his 30s. 47:08 That is surprising. 47:09 And John Hus was 31 when he was the, 47:11 you know, the pastor 47:13 of the Bethlehem Chapel in Prague. 47:14 And you start, wow, these guys 47:16 they did most of their significant work 47:18 in their 20s and 30s. 47:20 And we often don't emphasize that, 47:24 and for me that kind of stood out 47:25 as I was looking at all these reformers 47:27 one after the other, 47:28 that their big work that they did in their life 47:31 was often earlier in their life. 47:33 That's, you know, actually that is fascinating 47:35 because usually you see them portrayed by men 47:37 who are in their 50s, 40s and 50s. 47:39 So that is very impressive. Yeah. 47:41 So to me that really stood out that these were younger people 47:44 going against the grain, 47:46 and the other thing that stood out to me 47:47 was none of these men or women planned to be great reformers. 47:52 Yes. 47:54 They just wanted to be faithful, 47:55 but they never planned, 47:57 I'm going to take on the church, 47:58 or I'm going to change, or I'm going to reform, 47:59 I'm going to start a new denomination. 48:01 They just wanted to be faithful to God's Word. 48:03 It took them on that train, 48:05 but I mean, the trajectory 48:06 but they never planned that way. 48:08 They just wanted to be faithful and... 48:11 But may I say truly, when you think about it, 48:14 you didn't plan it to be touching 48:17 so many nations with this project. 48:19 Your plan... 48:21 And I think God does this, He gives us an idea, 48:24 He doesn't show us everything 48:25 'cause we'd be overwhelmed otherwise, 48:27 but He'll give us something, 48:28 and when we're faithful in the little things, 48:31 He starts expanding it and same here. 48:34 I just want to say very briefly 48:35 because I want to get their address roll 48:38 out for you to see, 48:39 but this project we're going to have a special 3ABN website 48:44 will be launching in the near future 48:46 with little shorts to reach people your age, Jasper. 48:50 So we're looking forward to having this on that website. 48:53 And if you don't know this, 48:55 if you live in the British Isles, 48:57 and if you don't know this information, 48:59 you need to tell everybody at your church this information 49:02 is that 3ABN is now being broadcast on free view, 49:09 and that's VisionTV channel 264. 49:12 So all across the British Isles, 49:15 you don't have to have a mySDA box or a Roku. 49:18 You can see 3ABN on free view, VisionTV channel 264. 49:25 We want to just give me about a minute and a half here. 49:32 What positive testimonies have you heard? 49:35 Oh, there's been several that have come in. 49:38 One that stands out to me have been... 49:40 Let me share with you two, one was from a schoolteacher 49:43 that we recently got in British Columbia. 49:44 She said, "I'm a schoolteacher in an Adventist school, 49:47 but 90% of my students are non-Adventists 49:49 or even Christian." 49:51 And she says, she shows the Lineage videos, 49:53 and I forget which class, the history class maybe, 49:55 and says, the kids really look forward to it. 49:57 And she said, the students like 13 to 14, 50:00 and she's really encouraged by watching non-Adventist, 50:04 non-Christian children that are excited to learn 50:07 about the story of the Christian church. 50:09 And we've had several other teachers 50:11 that have sent us similar messages 50:12 that they've been watching it as well. 50:14 Another one that stands out was, 50:16 I was in California recently 50:18 and a man came up to me and he said, 50:19 "I want to thank you for these videos." 50:21 And he said, "My wife and I 50:23 have started studying the Bible together 50:25 as a married couple because of watching these videos," 50:29 these Lineage videos 50:30 that it really brought them together 50:32 and it gave them a basis from then to study God's Word. 50:35 And that was really encouraging to see the, 50:37 you know, oftentimes we look at the stats or the views 50:40 or we look at the videos on this side, 50:41 but to see the human impact on the other side. 50:44 And to hear, you know, a personal testimony of, 50:46 you know, a married couple, 50:47 you know, coming together to study God's Word 50:49 based after they had watched several of the videos 50:51 was really encouraging. 50:53 Amen. 50:54 Well, we're going to come back in just a moment 50:55 for a final thought from you, 50:57 but what I'd like to do is to put up the information 51:01 and you can see all, there is 46 or so up right now? 51:04 In total there are 42 and dishing it off. 51:06 Forty-two now and by the end of the year 48, 51:09 so you can go to LineageJourney.com 51:13 and watch these. 51:15 But let me put this information up for you. 51:18 If you want to get in touch with Adam and his team, 51:21 maybe the Lord is impressing you to do something, 51:24 here's how you can get in touch with them. 51:28 The Peace Centre of Evangelism 51:29 is sponsored by the North England Conference 51:32 of Seventh-day Adventist Churches. 51:34 If you would like to find out 51:36 more about their training programs, 51:38 including their three month, one week, 51:40 and weekend church training programs, 51:42 be sure to visit their website PeaceCentre.eu. 51:47 That's Peace Centre spelled, C-E-N-T-R-E.eu. 51:54 You may call them at 0115-960-6312 52:00 or write to them at 22 Zulla Road, 52:03 Mapperley Park, Nottingham NG35DB. |
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