I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn,
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and we welcome you
once again to 3ABN Today.
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We hope that you're
having a wonderful day
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wherever you are
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because we're
having a great day here.
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I want to start our program.
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Today, we are
going to be looking
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at a very exciting project,
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and you don't want to miss this
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because we've got two
five-minute video segments
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of something that is
going to blow your mind.
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This
cinematography is incredible,
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and this project is
called "The Lineage Project",
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and it is something
that has been sponsored
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by the North England Conference
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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But before I
introduce our special guest,
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I was thinking what
would be a good scripture
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to open this program.
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And what came to
my mind is Habakkuk 2.
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Let me read verses 2 and 3.
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The Lord is speaking to Habakkuk
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and He says, "Write the
vision and make it plain
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that he may run who reads it.
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For the vision is yet
for an appointed time,
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but at the end it will
speak, and it will not lie.
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Though it tarries, wait for it.
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Because it will surely
come, it will not tarry."
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The Lineage Project, I
guess, I'll let them explain it,
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but in essence,
this is a project
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that is following the
heritage of our church,
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the heritage of
the Christian church.
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And they go back through
the Protestant Reformation
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and ride up into
today what's going on.
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And I believe this is something
that is so greatly needed,
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but their special
focus is to reach youth.
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So stay tuned you're
going to want to hear
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and see this project
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and how you can see it online.
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So let me introduce
our special guest today.
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First, we have
with us Adam Ramdin.
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And you are the youth director
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for the North England
Conference, is that correct?
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Yeah, that's correct. Yeah.
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Wonderful. We're
so glad you're here.
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And then we
have Marie and Clive.
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Well, help me say this...
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Clive. Clive.
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Marie and Clive.
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I was focusing on the last name
that's why I missed that up.
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Coutet, is that correct? Yes.
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We're so glad that
you have joined us.
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So, Adam, let's
just kick this off.
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Tell us in your words,
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what is the
Lineage Project about?
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I was going to say,
it's a video project,
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but it's
actually more than that.
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The thinking or
the vision behind it
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as working, myself as
working as the youth director
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was to create resource
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that would be
accessible for young people,
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and it would be a way
where they can tap into
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and understand their
spiritual heritage and history.
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A lot of young
people today don't read
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and if they do,
they don't read books,
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they just maybe read an article.
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And so as a young
person growing up in the church
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there's not many resources
where they can find out
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where we come from as
a people unless you read.
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And without
people reading today,
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people aren't really
connecting with their roots
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and where they come from.
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So Lineage aim to kind
of create a video resource
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that would be
showed and easy to watch
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where they could see
where we as a people,
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whereas we as
Protestants as Adventists
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where we come
from, what our lineage,
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and what our background is.
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And so that was kind
of the vision behind it,
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and then it just
kind of, I guess.
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It just started
growing and growing.
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Started to grow.
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Well, it actually
started not so much with...
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It was kind of a collaboration
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between myself
and another person
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called Clive Coutet,
not this Clive Coutet,
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another Clive Coutet,
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don't get confused, there's two.
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So Clive Coutet Jr.
is what you're saying.
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They're actually
born on the same day
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hence the same name, I believe.
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Really?
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He approached me, we're in
the British Museum in London
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and he approached me and said,
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"I'd love to do some videos
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here in the
British Museum, and London,
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it's the city I was raised in
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on some of the Christian history
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you can find in
the British Museum."
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And I said, "Oh,
you know, great idea."
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And I said, "Well,
let's video Oxford as well
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because it's only, you
know, 45 minutes up the road,
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and let's go to Lutterworth
where John Wycliffe comes from
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because that's only
other another hour up the road,
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and lets video
them and Edinburgh too
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because that's not far away."
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And then I don't
know at what point
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we went from there
to the whole of Europe,
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but it happened somewhere.
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And we thought,
"Well, let's just kind of
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make a
chronological journey of videos
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that kind of chart our history
and take people on the journey
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from the
beginning up until today."
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Now these videos are
all five-minute videos.
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Yeah, roughly. Yeah. Roughly.
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And this is
something that we're learning
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for the millennial generation
that they and the younger ones
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they want something short
and sweet that they can see.
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So you have how many
episodes have you so far?
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We started releasing them
in January of this year 2017.
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And there's been one episode
per week every Wednesday,
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and so far...
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Well, by the end of the
year, we'll have 48 episodes
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for this current
season, I guess you should say.
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It's very impressive.
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So, Marie and
Clive, let me ask you this.
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Where did your son,
Clive Jr. get the desire
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or at what point did
God birthed in his heart
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that he should be
in cinematography?
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Ever since he was growing
up, he's been watching his dad,
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and sometimes myself
filming our church in Croydon,
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the Croydon
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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and that church
is livestream now.
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So he's been watching us.
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But when he
finished his studies,
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high school studies,
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he was going to
uni, and he told us...
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And uni being
university... University.
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For those of us who...
So it's English short term.
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University. Okay.
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So he told myself and Clive,
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"Mum, I'm going to study
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film studies and
video production."
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And we were worried about it
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because how could our child
from who has been brought up
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from the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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going to the secular
world to learn this skill.
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But unknown to us he had a plan,
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but God had a
better plan for his life.
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He started filming one
of his friend's sermon,
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his friend's name is Dean,
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and he said, "Clive,
why don't you film my sermon
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as my girlfriend is in Brazil
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so we can send it to
her and she'll watch it."
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And they started from there
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and then in the
second year of university,
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he started filming from,
you know, different churches,
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Sabbath after Sabbath
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and it all excelled from there,
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and he went to do
missionary work as well.
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And then he joined...
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Had that plan with
Adam doing Lineage.
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It started all from there.
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And we give thanks to God
and we prayed about it as well.
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Amen. And God has blessed him.
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And we prayed that it
continues to do the same.
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If this project is finished,
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it will be another
one and another one,
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still working for God.
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Yes. Amen. Yes.
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Clive Sr. papa.
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Papa Clive, I'll call you.
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You actually were involved
in the filming of this project.
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So you're used to more
being behind the scenes,
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behind the camera than
in front of the camera.
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But you must be so proud
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that God is using or
has put His hand on your son
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to use him in this way.
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Amen. Praises to God.
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Amen. Amen.
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What was it like for you
in working on the project?
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I'm very blessed to
be part of the team.
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And from the
beginning I've been there.
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And I think I only
miss about two sessions,
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but most of the
time I'm with them.
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And I'm very pleased about that
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and very blessed
about it as well.
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Amen. Amen.
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I'm sure this is having a great
spiritual impact on all of you.
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You know, as
Sister White once said,
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"We have nothing to fear lest
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we forget how God
has led us in the past."
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And there are so
many people who...
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It's not just the youth
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who don't understand
the Christian heritage,
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and how God has
rescued the people
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and brought them forward.
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Many people do not understand
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what it even means to
be a Protestant anymore.
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And it's something
that is rather quite scary
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because if we forget the past,
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it will repeat
itself, I'm afraid.
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So what we'd like to do
is show one of those videos.
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Sure.
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Let's look at episode
one of The Lineage Project.
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As we trace back
our spiritual lineage
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to the early centuries,
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we find the Christian
church a maligned religion,
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it was not popular.
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Many of the Christians
in the early centuries
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paid the ultimate price
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for their faith
with their lives.
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The Colosseum in
Rome stands today
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as a testament of this fact.
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Under pagan Rome,
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the Christian
church struggled along,
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but one thing was sure,
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the intensity of the persecution
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kept the church free
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from nominal and
lukewarm Christians.
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If you were a
Christian, you had to be all in,
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there was no middle ground.
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But in the fourth century,
an event would come along
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that would change
all of that dramatically.
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The conversion of Constantine
changed the course of history
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for the whole of Christendom
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and the roots of that come
down here to York, England.
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In 306 AD, Constantine
was declared emperor here.
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His father Constantius
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was in Britain
from 305 to 306 AD,
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and Constantine was
with him until his death.
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He was then declared emperor,
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but it was not to
be a smooth sailing.
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There were counter
claims to the emperorship
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from Licinius and Maxentius.
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And as before a
battle with Maxentius
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that Constantine felt,
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he needed more help
than just the soldiers he had
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and so he
sought the help of God.
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He believed, he saw a cross
in the sky and heard the words,
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"By this sign,
you shall conquer."
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He took this as a sign
to convert to Christianity
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and a major switch
began to take place.
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Rome would go from
being pagan to papal,
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from paganism to
professed Christianity.
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Many historians debate
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the authenticity of
Constantine's conversion.
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Was it a deep
rooted biblical conviction?
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Or was it a political ploy
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to keep a
divided empire together?
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One thing is sure though
that after his conversion,
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practices crept into the church
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that previously
had no place there.
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Temples that were pagan
were changed to Christian.
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The Pantheon in Rome
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was changed into
a Christian church,
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and the names of gods were
changed to Christian saints.
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For example, Jupiter became
St. Peter and the list goes on.
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While some were
happy for these changes
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and welcomed the
lack of persecution
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and their new found status.
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There were many
Christians all over Europe
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who resisted these changes.
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For them the
persecution continued
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as they stayed out of
line with the mother church.
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These were
Christians who were maintaining
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the pure apostolic faith
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that was handed down
to them over the years.
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They were scattered
groups of people all over Europe
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in Northern Italy,
in Southern France,
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the Celtic
Church here in Britain,
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and in various other places.
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The Bible refers to them as
the church in the wilderness
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in Revelation 12:6 and 14.
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They were not
always the biggest,
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they were not
always the largest,
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but God would always have a
people that were true to Him
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and that were
faithful to His Word.
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And so from this point on,
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two branches of the
church would emerge,
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the recognized, the mainstream,
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but the compromised church,
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and then the
persecuted often the smaller,
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but the pure church.
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The question for us today
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is which one of
these two are we a part of?
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May we never
compromise truth for popularity,
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may we be faithful
to God and to His Word
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no matter what the situation is.
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Incredible cinematography.
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And we have swapped out guests.
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Marie has left this, and
we have Jasper Iturriaga.
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Yeah, Iturriaga.
I said it correct.
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Correct.
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Jasper, we're glad
that you've joined us,
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and you're actually
were the cinematographer
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on this project, right?
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Yes. Yeah, working
as cinematographer.
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Okay, wonderful.
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Well, let me ask you this,
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what kind of impact
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is the Lineage
Project having on people?
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Good question.
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I mean,
originally, you know, sometimes
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interesting to observe that
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sometimes what you think
may just be something small
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and ends up being
bigger than you intended.
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Originally, the project
was just to reach the youth
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in the conference I work in,
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we have videos for
them, but it's kind of...
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It's become more than that
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or has reached
further afield than that.
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And so the platform
that we chose to release them
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was social media so
Facebook and YouTube
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and that is accessible anywhere.
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And so we put the videos
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every week on
Facebook and YouTube
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with the intention of
having something on demand
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that people can access,
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and it's been accessed all over,
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you know,
different parts of the world.
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I think about 45 countries
so far we've had viewing in.
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That's incredible.
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And it's been translated
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in different
languages with subtitles
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so it's kind of gone further
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than we could've
planned or imagined.
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How many languages do you think?
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At the moment, I
think it's about 12.
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Well, that's amazing.
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Twelve different languages
that have put subtitles
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in their languages.
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And we've voiceovers
in three languages so far.
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Wonderful. Polish,
Italian, and Croatian.
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So what demographic
are you actually reaching?
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It's mainly young people.
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I think the recent thing
that I've seen was 17 to...
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Was it 17 years old to 20?
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Thirteen to seventeen.
Thirteen to seventeen.
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Is our highest viewers. Yeah.
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Thirteen to seventeen.
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Is the highest viewers,
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and the second
highest is 18 to 25.
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Praise God.
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It's actually a
surprise to me too
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because I thought
it's gonna be like
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mostly older generation.
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But there's a lot of interest,
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especially, with
the young people.
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I think sometimes
we're like people think
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the young people
aren't interested in history
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or the history is like
boring or it's whatever.
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And I think this illustrates
that people do want to know
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where they've come from,
and what their background is,
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and what their
spiritual history is,
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and what their
spiritual heritage is,
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if the highest viewers
are teenagers and early 20s.
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So that was our
intended audience
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and we're very
thankful and happy
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that's who is actually been
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our highest
demographic watching.
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And it's something
when you think about
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that if you were to sit
them down with a history book
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they might be,
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but when you see the
beauty of this project
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as you're watching this,
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that's an incredible
thing to attract them,
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the idea that you kept
them to around five minutes,
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this is something
that keeps their attention.
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I think sometimes that we're
almost training our children
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to have the
attention of a hummingbird.
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You know, they dip
from this little flower
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and then they dip
from this little flower,
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but it's wonderful to
have such a resource out here.
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Now I'm interested to know
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was the team...
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you were doing this for youth...
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Who was the team comprised of?
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Did you have many youth?
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Yeah, a good question.
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Most of the people on the team
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are under the age of 30.
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Yeah.
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I'm one of the few that's not,
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but I still like
to think I'm young.
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So I'm one of the few
that's actually over 30
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and then we have...
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Clive is. We affectionately...
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Clive, of course, is
under 30, right, Clive?
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We affectionately
call him Uncle Clive.
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Uncle Clive, yeah.
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Clive, what part do you play
as far as the cinematography?
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I am the assistant cameraman.
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Okay. And I do the 360.
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The 360. So you're
getting the whole...
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Yes, yes.
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And I help them
in anything driving,
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and a lot of, especially,
when you are in Europe
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and sometimes keep
the stress away from Adam,
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I have to tell him jokes.
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He does behind
the scenes as well.
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Yeah, behind the scene.
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So when we've gone to locations,
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we've had a 360 camera,
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and we've
released those videos also
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people can kind
of view a 360 video
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of the Waldensian College
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or, you know, famous churches
and kind of involve them
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and to
experience it bit more so.
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It gives more people to
immerse more into the sceneries.
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And that's one thing
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because you
mentioned about young people
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really being
interested about the sceneries
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and when we started Lineage,
that's exactly what we wanted,
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we wanted to catch young people
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with the cinematography
and beautiful sceneries.
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Interestingly enough
when I was starting video
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and when we started Lineage
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that was the whole idea
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because that's why
you said my generation
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most of us will
not really read books
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or listen to very long sermons.
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And so that's where it started
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like we wanted to reach them out
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of from where they are.
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Well, Jasper, let me
ask you this question.
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Why don't you read? No.
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No, I love reading,
but yeah, most of us...
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No, I'm just kidding you.
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As an author, it always hurts me
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when I hear that
younger people aren't reading,
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but when your part on this,
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you know, when we think about
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what the Lord has
made available to us now
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it is so exciting
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because you saw that
beautiful cinematography,
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but a lot of
those were drone shots
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and that's incredible.
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So tell us you are the
drone pilot as well, right?
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Yeah, it was...
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I started out
from the Philippines
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and I've never met Adam.
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I've never met
the whole team, so...
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It's an interesting thing
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how the team just came together
in some ways organically,
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me and Clive, and then he said,
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"Oh, I know a guy
in the Philippines."
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But he actually didn't
know, he just met him online.
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They kind of conversed on,
00:21:01.36\00:21:03.02
you know, video
stuff back and forth.
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He said, "You want
to bring him over."
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I said, "If you need another
hand sure bring him over."
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And then we were on our way
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to film in the
Waldensian Valleys,
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and we met him on the
way, picked him up in Paris.
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That's how we got to meet.
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Clive met him for
the first time, I did,
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and it just worked out that,
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you know, as a team we
all kind of worked out,
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you know, worked out together.
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So I believe God really brought
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different elements
of the team together.
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It's just amazing
because with these talents,
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I can't really...
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If I get to organize this again,
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it's really
impossible to get a sound man,
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photographer, drone
pilot, everything in one,
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and with one
mindset, and one goal,
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it's just amazing, you know.
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It is.
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And I flew from the Philippines.
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I was a pastor
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and then I quit
pastoral work just to make video
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because I really
feel like I'm really cool
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to do more films, yeah.
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So how long did you pastor?
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I used to be an
evangelist for Amazing Facts
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for two years in Indonesia,
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and then a pastor for two
years in Jakarta, Indonesia.
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Let me ask you this question.
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You know, one
thing I love to go out
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and speak on the weekends.
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We go to, you know,
different churches and speak
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or camp meetings and things.
00:22:15.26\00:22:16.80
Mollie always tells me,
00:22:16.83\00:22:18.17
"But, Shelley, you can reach
more people with one sermon
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when it's on 3ABN,"
00:22:22.24\00:22:25.34
than all of that,
but I still love it,
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it keeps me connected.
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So essentially, Jasper,
00:22:29.01\00:22:31.11
what you found or what you felt,
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I should say,
00:22:33.92\00:22:35.25
was that God was calling
you into something a project
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that could reach
youth, reach young people
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and really make a
major impact on their life.
00:22:44.63\00:22:47.43
Yeah, it started when I was...
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I've never studied videography.
00:22:48.83\00:22:51.77
When I was a pastor,
just watch YouTube videos
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of how to do things.
00:22:54.44\00:22:55.77
And there's a lot
of resources in YouTube
00:22:55.80\00:22:59.11
if you have time to watch it.
00:22:59.14\00:23:00.81
So I've watched all these videos
00:23:00.84\00:23:02.71
and the first time, I
actually made a major videos
00:23:02.74\00:23:06.72
was a mission trip
in the Philippines,
00:23:06.75\00:23:08.68
and I had a free time to
go to this beautiful island
00:23:08.72\00:23:11.69
called El Nido
in the Philippines.
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I filmed it for three days,
00:23:13.15\00:23:15.39
published it in a
span of few months
00:23:15.42\00:23:18.16
I got close to
two million views.
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Wow!
00:23:20.43\00:23:21.76
And then, I realized that
I could reach a lot of people
00:23:21.80\00:23:26.17
by watching my
videos and making this,
00:23:26.20\00:23:28.60
you know, amazing drone shots.
00:23:28.64\00:23:30.21
You know, so I was
talking to Clive, Clive's son,
00:23:30.24\00:23:34.68
Clive about making a
project some day, you know.
00:23:34.71\00:23:38.35
And then he called me,
and I was really interested
00:23:38.38\00:23:40.18
so then, you know what,
I'm gonna go fly to Europe
00:23:40.22\00:23:42.92
and yeah, then we
started a project.
00:23:42.95\00:23:44.29
Praise God. Praise God.
00:23:44.32\00:23:46.65
Now I do have to
tell you one thing,
00:23:46.69\00:23:48.42
and I hope this
won't disappoint you.
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But we may mess
up your statistics.
00:23:50.63\00:23:52.66
Right now your highest viewing
demographic is aged 13 to 17,
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the second highest 17 to 25.
00:23:57.70\00:24:00.14
But I imagine once you
get this website information
00:24:00.17\00:24:03.91
that we may mess
up your demographic
00:24:03.94\00:24:06.51
because you're
probably getting...
00:24:06.54\00:24:08.04
I mean, these are...
00:24:08.08\00:24:12.01
Can we say the
stories are encapsulated,
00:24:12.05\00:24:14.88
it may not be in-depth
thought if you were taking.
00:24:14.92\00:24:17.49
No, it's more of a snapshot
00:24:17.52\00:24:19.92
into the history of
certain characters like
00:24:19.95\00:24:23.09
John Wycliffe or Jan
Hus or Martin Luther.
00:24:23.12\00:24:25.59
We aren't able to
do in-depth in them.
00:24:25.63\00:24:28.90
The idea would be
it introduces people
00:24:28.93\00:24:30.67
to their life and their story,
00:24:30.70\00:24:32.03
and then if they
want to read more in-depth
00:24:32.07\00:24:33.94
or watch more in-depth
00:24:33.97\00:24:35.30
and there's other
resources out there
00:24:35.34\00:24:36.67
that they could go to as well.
00:24:36.71\00:24:38.27
Well, I actually think
it's a very clever way to do it
00:24:38.31\00:24:40.41
because that's something
that a lot of people just want,
00:24:40.44\00:24:43.95
you know, give me
the bullet points.
00:24:43.98\00:24:45.61
And then if I want more
information, I'll look for it.
00:24:45.65\00:24:48.18
And they go for it.
Our website offers it.
00:24:48.22\00:24:50.35
So it's a lot of in-depth
stuff too in our website.
00:24:50.39\00:24:52.82
Wonderful.
00:24:52.85\00:24:54.19
And that's the North
England Conference website.
00:24:54.22\00:24:57.63
The Lineage Journey website.
00:24:57.66\00:24:58.99
Oh, the Lineage Journey website.
00:24:59.03\00:25:00.36
There's a lot of...
00:25:00.40\00:25:01.73
Every episode on the website
00:25:01.76\00:25:03.10
has an accompanying
article that's been written.
00:25:03.13\00:25:04.67
Just kind of give more detail
00:25:04.70\00:25:06.60
and then there's
also additional articles,
00:25:06.63\00:25:08.74
kind of generally on
the German Reformation
00:25:08.77\00:25:10.61
or the English Reformation
that go even more in-depth.
00:25:10.64\00:25:14.01
And so when
people go to the website,
00:25:14.04\00:25:16.04
the idea is it's kind of
created a little bit like a...
00:25:16.08\00:25:19.98
Encyclopedia.
00:25:20.02\00:25:21.35
Something like that.
00:25:21.38\00:25:22.72
So that people can go there,
00:25:22.75\00:25:24.09
do some
historical research as well
00:25:24.12\00:25:26.02
with the articles and
kind of read up a bit more.
00:25:26.05\00:25:28.62
I know that I'm
going to check it out.
00:25:28.66\00:25:31.26
It's beautiful.
00:25:31.29\00:25:32.63
But now, Clive, you've been
in the church, how many years?
00:25:32.66\00:25:36.77
I am born Adventist.
00:25:36.80\00:25:38.90
You were born in
an Adventist family,
00:25:38.93\00:25:41.40
you didn't
become a Christian too.
00:25:41.44\00:25:42.77
You made that decision yourself,
00:25:42.80\00:25:44.31
so you can't say
you were born Adventist.
00:25:44.34\00:25:47.28
At the church that I am now,
00:25:47.31\00:25:49.24
I have been in
there for 47 years
00:25:49.28\00:25:51.78
the Croydon Church.
00:25:51.81\00:25:53.48
And there's
something I would like to add
00:25:53.52\00:25:55.85
about the Croydon church.
00:25:55.88\00:25:57.39
Every Sabbath, they watch about
00:25:57.42\00:26:01.22
three to five Lineage episodes
00:26:01.26\00:26:04.69
and then they make
group and discuss about it.
00:26:04.73\00:26:07.46
Praise God.
00:26:07.50\00:26:08.83
And also my daughter told me.
00:26:08.86\00:26:11.93
I've got a
daughter in Australia.
00:26:11.97\00:26:13.64
She said, in
Australia, they are teaching it,
00:26:13.67\00:26:16.64
they are showing it in
different schools as well,
00:26:16.67\00:26:20.44
not only Adventist school.
00:26:20.48\00:26:22.88
Wonderful. Yes, yeah.
00:26:22.91\00:26:25.41
As I said, this is something
that is so desperately needed
00:26:25.45\00:26:28.48
not all Adventist
Christians know the history
00:26:28.52\00:26:31.05
the way they should,
00:26:31.09\00:26:33.12
but you find
that in many churches,
00:26:33.15\00:26:36.93
the history is not known at all.
00:26:36.96\00:26:38.56
I mean, some people had no idea
00:26:38.59\00:26:39.93
what the word
Protestant even stands for.
00:26:39.96\00:26:42.73
And now we're seeing movements
00:26:42.76\00:26:45.03
where people are
reaching across with clasp hands
00:26:45.07\00:26:48.87
with the papacy and
saying the protest is over.
00:26:48.90\00:26:52.51
So it's very important
00:26:52.54\00:26:54.68
if we ignore our
history, guess what?
00:26:54.71\00:27:00.45
History will repeat itself.
00:27:00.48\00:27:02.32
And I think it's going
to repeat itself, anyway,
00:27:02.35\00:27:04.59
but we need to know so
we can stand firm, don't we?
00:27:04.62\00:27:07.62
Well, praise the Lord.
00:27:07.66\00:27:08.99
I think would you like to
show the second episode now?
00:27:09.02\00:27:11.86
Show.
00:27:11.89\00:27:13.23
Let's look at
the second episode.
00:27:13.26\00:27:14.60
And this is
episode number eight.
00:27:14.63\00:27:15.96
This is number eight,
it's on the Waldenses.
00:27:16.00\00:27:17.47
We've done probably about
four episodes on the Waldenses
00:27:17.50\00:27:20.37
or maybe five in total.
00:27:20.40\00:27:22.90
And this one just goes
into the Waldensian cave
00:27:22.94\00:27:26.61
and then if you've been
to the Waldensian Valleys
00:27:26.64\00:27:28.34
and it kind of just looks
at some of the aspects of them
00:27:28.38\00:27:31.88
having to use
such obscure places
00:27:31.91\00:27:36.58
for places of worship,
00:27:36.62\00:27:37.95
and what the
privilege that we have
00:27:37.99\00:27:39.69
not to have to do
that today at the moment.
00:27:39.72\00:27:41.49
Let me ask you,
who wrote the scripts,
00:27:41.52\00:27:43.79
who did the research on
this and wrote the scripts?
00:27:43.83\00:27:46.96
I wrote the scripts.
You wrote the scripts?
00:27:47.00\00:27:48.70
So you pretty
well versed in history,
00:27:48.73\00:27:52.03
I would say
00:27:52.07\00:27:53.40
or you've become well
versed in your project.
00:27:53.44\00:27:54.77
It's always been
the passion of mine.
00:27:54.80\00:27:56.14
I mean, I took history
when I was in high school,
00:27:56.17\00:27:57.61
and then before
university I took it as well.
00:27:57.64\00:28:00.38
It's always been a passion
of mine studying history,
00:28:00.41\00:28:03.35
and I've always been
interested in church history
00:28:03.38\00:28:05.91
or Adventist
history, Christian history.
00:28:05.95\00:28:08.08
But not as in-depth or
maybe as on some other reading
00:28:08.12\00:28:11.79
or research I had to do
for some of the episodes
00:28:11.82\00:28:14.29
that released this year.
00:28:14.32\00:28:15.66
So some of them I knew well,
00:28:15.69\00:28:17.46
and then, some of
them it was kind of
00:28:17.49\00:28:18.96
a little bit of a
new experience reading
00:28:18.99\00:28:20.53
and doing the
background research.
00:28:20.56\00:28:23.16
And you've been
00:28:23.20\00:28:24.53
with the PEACE Centre
for Evangelism in the past,
00:28:24.57\00:28:27.40
so you've been training people
to go out and reach others.
00:28:27.44\00:28:31.67
But now this is kind of
like stepping up to the plate.
00:28:31.71\00:28:37.25
I believe that
we learn to teach,
00:28:37.28\00:28:40.78
and we teach to learn.
00:28:40.82\00:28:43.15
You know, there's nothing
like studying and getting it,
00:28:43.18\00:28:47.42
and you're so excited,
00:28:47.46\00:28:48.79
but if you don't go out
and share it with somebody,
00:28:48.82\00:28:51.06
you won't really
learn it yourself.
00:28:51.09\00:28:52.63
It's just momentary so. True.
00:28:52.66\00:28:54.60
So let's look at
episode number eight
00:28:54.63\00:28:56.20
on the Waldensians.
00:28:56.23\00:28:57.70
In the early centuries,
00:29:19.15\00:29:21.09
Rome would lay
down the challenge
00:29:21.12\00:29:23.63
either abide by
how we want you to live
00:29:23.66\00:29:26.93
or leave your place of residence
00:29:26.96\00:29:29.56
and leave your place of worship.
00:29:29.60\00:29:31.67
And the Waldensians
treasured God's Word
00:29:31.70\00:29:34.64
more than they
treasured their home.
00:29:34.67\00:29:36.40
And so they would leave
and go up into the mountains.
00:29:36.44\00:29:39.67
Life would not have been easy
here in the Waldensian Valley.
00:29:48.12\00:29:52.45
The children growing up would
have had to learn very quickly
00:29:52.49\00:29:56.56
the lessons of self-sacrifice,
00:29:56.59\00:29:58.83
and self-denial,
frugality, and economy.
00:29:58.86\00:30:02.86
Their parents treasured
these principles from the Bible
00:30:02.90\00:30:06.84
and they wish to bestow
them upon their children.
00:30:06.87\00:30:09.90
They treasure them so much
that they retreated up here.
00:30:09.94\00:30:12.84
And here in the mountains,
they wanted to teach two things
00:30:12.87\00:30:15.84
number one, they
wanted to teach them
00:30:15.88\00:30:18.88
purity of life
based on God's Word,
00:30:18.91\00:30:20.25
and number two,
they wanted to teach them
00:30:20.28\00:30:22.68
to be a missionary
00:30:22.72\00:30:24.05
and take the
faith that they had,
00:30:24.09\00:30:26.02
and take it further
afield than just the valleys
00:30:26.05\00:30:28.62
in which they live.
00:30:28.66\00:30:29.99
And so they would
have schools up here,
00:30:30.03\00:30:31.56
and they would
have places of worship,
00:30:31.59\00:30:33.23
some times in cage where
they could teach their children
00:30:33.26\00:30:37.07
and their young people
00:30:37.10\00:30:38.43
how they could go
out as missionaries
00:30:38.47\00:30:41.10
and share this message.
00:30:41.14\00:30:42.47
To me it's encouraging to know
00:30:52.58\00:30:53.92
that even when they were
scattered in the mountains,
00:30:53.95\00:30:56.52
they would still find
time to worship together.
00:30:56.55\00:30:58.99
And I believe
it's very important
00:30:59.02\00:31:00.52
that we today meet together
00:31:00.56\00:31:02.92
with fellow
believers and worship.
00:31:02.96\00:31:06.09
But the thing that stands
out to me here in this place of
00:31:06.13\00:31:09.26
that's not that
pretty by earthly standards.
00:31:09.30\00:31:12.77
There's no gold plated
pulpit, there's no marble table,
00:31:12.80\00:31:17.27
there's just rocks, they're wet,
00:31:17.31\00:31:19.84
but it's the
quietness, and the peace,
00:31:19.87\00:31:21.74
and the simplicity,
00:31:21.78\00:31:23.11
and the purity of this
place that is striking.
00:31:23.14\00:31:26.92
Is that if these
Waldensians would gather here,
00:31:26.95\00:31:29.25
not just once, it
wasn't just a one off,
00:31:29.28\00:31:31.25
it may have been repeatedly,
it may have been over years,
00:31:31.29\00:31:33.99
or may have been
even over decades
00:31:34.02\00:31:35.96
that they would
gather together to worship
00:31:35.99\00:31:38.06
in caves like
this that are dotted
00:31:38.09\00:31:40.06
around these mountains.
00:31:40.10\00:31:42.00
For us, church is so comfortable
00:31:42.03\00:31:44.60
or so convenient.
00:31:44.63\00:31:47.30
I've sat on the cold
rock, but oftentimes in church,
00:31:47.34\00:31:50.21
we sit on nice comfy chairs.
00:31:50.24\00:31:51.97
The heating may be on,
00:31:52.01\00:31:53.34
it may just be five
miles from our house
00:31:53.38\00:31:55.38
or just down the road,
00:31:55.41\00:31:56.75
and yet sometimes we think,
"Ah, I'm not too keen to go."
00:31:56.78\00:32:00.22
And I think back to myself,
yourself, wherever we are,
00:32:00.25\00:32:04.89
we have a time
of relative peace,
00:32:04.92\00:32:06.96
a time of relative freedom
00:32:06.99\00:32:08.86
where we can gather
together and worship,
00:32:08.89\00:32:11.39
where we can
meet fellow believers.
00:32:11.43\00:32:13.46
And my appeal is
00:32:13.50\00:32:14.83
don't waste the
opportunities that you have.
00:32:14.86\00:32:16.80
Don't be so
comfortable or so convenient
00:32:16.83\00:32:20.44
that we miss the
opportunities that we do have.
00:32:20.47\00:32:23.71
God has given us
great opportunities now,
00:32:23.74\00:32:25.97
let's take
advantage and use them,
00:32:26.01\00:32:27.71
and take this message
to the world around us.
00:32:27.74\00:32:30.75
Now is that not
beautiful cinematography?
00:32:53.50\00:32:55.70
That is incredible.
00:32:55.74\00:32:59.61
I don't even want to dare ask,
00:32:59.64\00:33:01.98
but the total
cost of this project,
00:33:02.01\00:33:05.61
but the North England Conference
00:33:05.65\00:33:08.28
has sponsored the entire thing
or who's been your sponsors?
00:33:08.32\00:33:12.05
North England Conference has...
00:33:12.09\00:33:13.42
Obviously, I work for
them and they've sponsored
00:33:13.46\00:33:15.36
the bulk of the
cost of the filming
00:33:15.39\00:33:17.59
for this year's season.
00:33:17.63\00:33:19.29
We've also worked in
partnership with ARTV.
00:33:19.33\00:33:24.47
Clive does work with them
00:33:24.50\00:33:26.57
so they've kind of
helped us out also.
00:33:26.60\00:33:28.27
And it's been a few
private donors as well
00:33:28.30\00:33:29.77
that have contributed as well.
00:33:29.80\00:33:31.17
So our division as
well as contributed
00:33:31.21\00:33:34.21
for some of the funding
for next year's episode,
00:33:34.24\00:33:36.38
the Trans-European Division.
00:33:36.41\00:33:37.75
So there's been funding
from a few different avenues
00:33:37.78\00:33:42.08
and that made it possible.
00:33:42.12\00:33:43.69
Exciting, exciting. Yeah.
00:33:43.72\00:33:45.42
Well, if you...
00:33:45.45\00:33:46.89
I don't know if
they've done a jib shot yet,
00:33:46.92\00:33:49.22
a wide view of the house set,
00:33:49.26\00:33:52.36
but if they have, you've noticed
00:33:52.39\00:33:53.80
that we've had a very beautiful
young lady who has joined us.
00:33:53.83\00:33:57.00
And no stranger to the team.
00:33:57.03\00:33:59.00
This is Aiko,
00:33:59.03\00:34:00.37
and she is Aiko
Ramdin, I should say.
00:34:00.40\00:34:03.17
And this is Adam's wife.
00:34:03.20\00:34:04.84
How long you've been married?
00:34:04.87\00:34:06.51
Four years. Four years.
00:34:06.54\00:34:08.04
Okay.
00:34:08.08\00:34:09.41
What was your
role in this project?
00:34:09.44\00:34:12.95
Mostly behind the scenes,
00:34:12.98\00:34:14.32
obviously, you don't
see me in the episodes,
00:34:14.35\00:34:16.89
but supporting Adam
haven't seen as much of him
00:34:16.92\00:34:21.79
during the past year as usual
00:34:21.82\00:34:25.19
because he's been
researching and so forth.
00:34:25.23\00:34:28.43
Also I've been
chauffeur, driving,
00:34:28.46\00:34:32.07
sometimes at crazy
hours of the night.
00:34:32.10\00:34:34.10
I also volunteer helping
with captioning and subtitles
00:34:34.14\00:34:40.01
working with...
00:34:40.04\00:34:41.94
All of us we volunteer for that,
00:34:41.98\00:34:43.48
and also helping with sound.
00:34:43.51\00:34:46.45
So you've been the perfect
helpmate in all of these,
00:34:46.48\00:34:49.32
you wear many hats...
00:34:49.35\00:34:50.99
And I understand that.
00:34:51.02\00:34:52.62
Aiko, you were here
when you were 16 years old
00:34:52.65\00:34:56.02
to do a cooking program on 3ABN.
00:34:56.06\00:34:58.46
Yeah, it's a long time
ago. Isn't that exciting?
00:34:58.49\00:35:00.13
So your husband
brags on your cooking
00:35:00.16\00:35:02.60
if you know that.
00:35:02.63\00:35:04.07
And I can tell he likes it,
00:35:04.10\00:35:05.80
and I didn't mean
that in any bad way.
00:35:05.83\00:35:09.74
Okay, so this
project is so exciting,
00:35:09.77\00:35:13.84
what was the experience
00:35:13.88\00:35:16.31
of filming this?
00:35:16.34\00:35:20.92
It's cold.
00:35:20.95\00:35:22.55
What? Cold.
00:35:22.58\00:35:23.92
It's cold. Yeah.
00:35:23.95\00:35:25.29
He came from the
Philippines. Yeah.
00:35:25.32\00:35:27.66
You know, sometimes
when you plan a project
00:35:27.69\00:35:29.96
and it just becomes more
than you originally thought.
00:35:29.99\00:35:34.03
You don't always do things
00:35:34.06\00:35:35.40
that may have been at
the best timing of the year.
00:35:35.43\00:35:36.77
Yes.
00:35:36.80\00:35:38.13
And so ideally, the ideal
time to film would have been
00:35:38.17\00:35:40.27
the summer, longer
days, warmer temperature.
00:35:40.30\00:35:42.80
Green trees. Green trees.
00:35:42.84\00:35:44.41
But we kind of got
the idea in September
00:35:44.44\00:35:47.04
and started filming
00:35:47.08\00:35:48.41
in November,
December and January.
00:35:48.44\00:35:50.95
So when Jasper says it's cold,
he came from the Philippines
00:35:50.98\00:35:53.31
and we were
filming in Prague one day,
00:35:53.35\00:35:55.35
and it was minus 15 Celsius.
00:35:55.38\00:35:59.79
We were outside for
eight hours all day and...
00:35:59.82\00:36:02.19
That is cold. Cold.
00:36:02.22\00:36:03.59
Too cold.
00:36:03.63\00:36:04.96
I thought maybe
you were being a sissy,
00:36:04.99\00:36:06.33
just because you
were used to the heat
00:36:06.36\00:36:08.20
but no, that was cold.
00:36:08.23\00:36:09.76
Yeah, it was cold.
00:36:09.80\00:36:11.13
So we've had and then we
were in Wittenberg in January.
00:36:11.17\00:36:14.57
And that was snowing,
there's snow on the ground.
00:36:14.60\00:36:18.31
But, you know, I think that adds
00:36:18.34\00:36:19.91
a certain element
to this because...
00:36:19.94\00:36:21.71
To the viewers, yeah.
00:36:21.74\00:36:23.08
Yeah, for the
viewers but for you all.
00:36:23.11\00:36:24.48
So share some of your
on the road experiences
00:36:24.51\00:36:27.12
because this is something
unless you've ever experienced
00:36:27.15\00:36:31.79
when you're going out,
00:36:31.82\00:36:33.15
videographers or like
when we send out a 3ABN team,
00:36:33.19\00:36:36.83
there is always
great stories coming back
00:36:36.86\00:36:40.66
from when we're on the road.
00:36:40.70\00:36:44.57
Yeah, it's interesting because
like just what I've said,
00:36:44.60\00:36:48.70
I just flew from
the Philippines, and...
00:36:48.74\00:36:51.74
Not knowing anybody.
00:36:51.77\00:36:53.38
I don't know
anyone, like literally.
00:36:53.41\00:36:55.68
And Clive Jr. you
had only met online.
00:36:55.71\00:36:58.68
Yeah, but I've
never met these people,
00:36:58.71\00:37:01.08
and I don't
recommend that to people
00:37:01.12\00:37:03.49
like go to other nations and,
00:37:03.52\00:37:05.85
you know, not knowing
these people and meeting them.
00:37:05.89\00:37:08.19
But yeah, there was this...
00:37:08.22\00:37:10.73
Clive and I
connected a lot on the internet
00:37:10.76\00:37:13.09
and when I was starting, I
asked him so many questions,
00:37:13.13\00:37:15.56
you know, that so
they've seen my project
00:37:15.60\00:37:17.97
and I've seen their project,
00:37:18.00\00:37:19.33
and there's almost
like a click, you know,
00:37:19.37\00:37:21.84
to like, "Okay, let's go."
00:37:21.87\00:37:23.30
And so, I think the
struggle for me personally is,
00:37:23.34\00:37:27.21
it was too cold,
00:37:27.24\00:37:28.58
it was
literally too cold for me,
00:37:28.61\00:37:29.98
and there's no
rice most of the time.
00:37:30.01\00:37:32.61
You know, I'm a
ricey boy, I'm a Filipino.
00:37:32.65\00:37:34.85
We were in Europe
and he'd come over,
00:37:34.88\00:37:36.32
and after four
days, we will be eating,
00:37:36.35\00:37:37.75
you know,
sandwiches or going out and eat
00:37:37.79\00:37:39.22
in different places,
00:37:39.25\00:37:40.59
and he said, "Man,
I am sick and tired
00:37:40.62\00:37:43.39
of this European food.
00:37:43.43\00:37:44.76
I need some rice."
00:37:44.79\00:37:46.36
Tired of pizza, pasta,
I'm getting tired of it.
00:37:46.39\00:37:49.33
So we went and
bought a rice cooker,
00:37:49.36\00:37:50.70
so he could, you
know, have his rice.
00:37:50.73\00:37:54.24
Survive. So caring.
00:37:54.27\00:37:56.10
By the way a lot of
the filming has been early,
00:37:56.14\00:37:57.87
you probably know
early mornings, late nights,
00:37:57.91\00:38:01.34
and then a lot of the shots like
00:38:01.38\00:38:02.71
we did in London
or different cities,
00:38:02.74\00:38:04.15
we want to get the
shots before the crowds come.
00:38:04.18\00:38:06.61
And so we've got to get there,
00:38:06.65\00:38:07.98
you know, 4 o'clock, 5
o'clock, 6 o'clock and...
00:38:08.02\00:38:11.85
When it's
really bitterly cold...
00:38:11.89\00:38:13.39
When it's cold, when it's early,
00:38:13.42\00:38:15.22
and you're tired.
00:38:15.26\00:38:16.59
So a lot of
that has gone into it
00:38:16.62\00:38:18.66
behind the scenes that people,
00:38:18.69\00:38:20.03
you know, they don't see but...
00:38:20.06\00:38:21.93
And I think as well,
since it was kind of planned
00:38:21.96\00:38:24.63
as it was happening,
00:38:24.67\00:38:26.94
we didn't have the time to take,
00:38:26.97\00:38:30.11
you know, days and days to film.
00:38:30.14\00:38:32.37
And also another aspect is that
many of the members of the team
00:38:32.41\00:38:37.45
are just volunteers so
some of them took holiday
00:38:37.48\00:38:40.28
or vacation time to come.
00:38:40.32\00:38:42.28
So we had to
squeeze as much as we could
00:38:42.32\00:38:44.75
into a short period of time
00:38:44.79\00:38:46.65
which meant sometimes
driving all through the night,
00:38:46.69\00:38:49.02
and just trying to pack
everything in to do it in time.
00:38:49.06\00:38:52.76
Let me tell you something
00:38:52.79\00:38:54.13
that is our
standard mode of operation.
00:38:54.16\00:38:56.90
Yeah, like two of our
guys, they work for Apple day,
00:38:56.93\00:38:59.20
you know, that's
their full time job,
00:38:59.23\00:39:00.70
so they took a day
off or took two days off
00:39:00.74\00:39:02.84
and we want to get as much
filming in that day as possible
00:39:02.87\00:39:06.21
because they're
there on those days
00:39:06.24\00:39:08.01
and so that's kind
of been challenging.
00:39:08.04\00:39:11.65
We understand
completely because at 3ABN,
00:39:11.68\00:39:14.55
you know, if there's
one thing we could use
00:39:14.58\00:39:16.28
would be more staff.
00:39:16.32\00:39:17.82
And everybody here
wears multiple hats
00:39:17.85\00:39:20.26
and works early
and late hours, so...
00:39:20.29\00:39:22.72
One of our biggest challenges
00:39:22.76\00:39:24.09
was the film we did
in Europe, in France.
00:39:24.13\00:39:27.43
And so we flew down
there, there was eight of us,
00:39:27.46\00:39:29.23
we flew down there,
00:39:29.26\00:39:30.60
we were filming an episode
00:39:30.63\00:39:31.97
that will actually
be coming out shortly
00:39:32.00\00:39:33.34
on a French lady
called Marie Durand,
00:39:33.37\00:39:35.64
and then we went to
the Waldensian Valleys.
00:39:35.67\00:39:37.57
And we were
around there for two days
00:39:37.61\00:39:40.08
and we flew down there
budget airlines in Europe.
00:39:40.11\00:39:44.25
I won't mention the airline,
00:39:44.28\00:39:45.65
but anyway, they
lost one of our bags
00:39:45.68\00:39:48.25
and the one bag that they lost
00:39:48.28\00:39:49.78
had the clothes of two
of the team members in it
00:39:49.82\00:39:53.42
and the tripod.
00:39:53.46\00:39:54.79
Oh, no.
00:39:54.82\00:39:56.16
And I think also the
batteries for the camera.
00:39:56.19\00:39:59.46
And so we're there in France,
the next flight doesn't come in
00:39:59.49\00:40:02.23
until two days time
00:40:02.26\00:40:03.60
when we were
scheduled to fly back.
00:40:03.63\00:40:05.43
So we had to find a tripod
00:40:05.47\00:40:07.90
and luckily we were with hosted
by a French youth director
00:40:07.94\00:40:11.51
from the conference down there.
00:40:11.54\00:40:13.11
He took us to the conference,
we borrowed a tripod,
00:40:13.14\00:40:15.18
it was a lot bigger than
ours so a lot heavier to carry,
00:40:15.21\00:40:16.95
but we praise
the Lord for anyway.
00:40:16.98\00:40:18.91
And then we were able to rent
00:40:18.95\00:40:20.28
some batteries
from a shop in town,
00:40:20.32\00:40:21.85
in terms of the clothing
00:40:21.88\00:40:23.22
that they just kind
of had to struggle on,
00:40:23.25\00:40:25.35
you know, in what they
had for a couple of days.
00:40:25.39\00:40:27.66
But that was I guess
one of a tough challenge
00:40:27.69\00:40:32.63
with lack of clothing,
and tripods, and things,
00:40:32.66\00:40:35.70
and been on a
tight schedule also.
00:40:35.73\00:40:37.07
Through it all, that was
so good because He had us like
00:40:37.10\00:40:39.90
meet the right people
00:40:39.93\00:40:41.27
or had the right
people involved in that trip
00:40:41.30\00:40:45.44
that we couldn't
have done without.
00:40:45.47\00:40:46.88
So God was in charge,
and even though it was tough
00:40:46.91\00:40:49.88
maybe we needed it
for our development
00:40:49.91\00:40:52.95
or something or
just to see Him work.
00:40:52.98\00:40:56.08
You know, I think
God takes us or guides us
00:40:56.12\00:40:59.09
through these experiences
00:40:59.12\00:41:00.46
and there's always
lessons that we've learned
00:41:00.49\00:41:02.26
about ourselves
and about others.
00:41:02.29\00:41:04.09
What are some of the...
00:41:04.13\00:41:05.46
Jasper, what are some
of the lessons you learned?
00:41:05.49\00:41:08.00
Well, I think the
number one lessons
00:41:08.03\00:41:11.60
that I've learned about
this is to trust God fully.
00:41:11.63\00:41:13.97
Amen.
00:41:14.00\00:41:15.34
Because these guys,
they live in England
00:41:15.37\00:41:17.84
which is how many hours away?
00:41:17.87\00:41:19.21
Two hours?
00:41:19.24\00:41:20.74
Flight? Oh, from Europe?
00:41:20.78\00:41:22.11
Yeah? Yeah.
00:41:22.14\00:41:23.48
Yeah.
00:41:23.51\00:41:24.85
Mine is like, what
10 hours, 12 hours,
00:41:24.88\00:41:26.38
and they go, come and go,
00:41:26.41\00:41:28.95
and it will be
super expensive for me
00:41:28.98\00:41:30.35
to go back and
forth from Europe.
00:41:30.39\00:41:32.82
And then I need
to stay in Europe.
00:41:32.85\00:41:35.02
But one thing about Lineage
00:41:35.06\00:41:36.39
is that we're
not paid to do this.
00:41:36.42\00:41:37.76
Yes.
00:41:37.79\00:41:39.13
So these are voluntary work.
00:41:39.16\00:41:41.00
So I need to stay in Europe...
It's the labor of love.
00:41:41.03\00:41:43.23
Yeah, you need to stay in Europe
00:41:43.26\00:41:44.60
for three months without pay.
00:41:44.63\00:41:46.87
But, you know, the Lord has
provided places for me to stay,
00:41:46.90\00:41:51.31
you know, because I can
only eat when they're around
00:41:51.34\00:41:55.84
and if they're not around,
00:41:55.88\00:41:57.21
then I have to find my
own food and stuff like that,
00:41:57.25\00:41:58.91
and just the places there.
00:41:58.95\00:42:00.65
So Lord has provided
people who I've never met.
00:42:00.68\00:42:02.82
They let you keep the rice
cooker with you, don't they?
00:42:02.85\00:42:05.12
No, they always bring it.
00:42:05.15\00:42:07.46
It's always, I live
with a small luggage,
00:42:07.49\00:42:10.26
very small luggage.
00:42:10.29\00:42:11.63
I can't fit anything that is...
00:42:11.66\00:42:13.80
If I were you, I'd be
carrying that rice cooker
00:42:13.83\00:42:17.13
under my arm,
wherever I would...
00:42:17.17\00:42:18.50
Yeah. So the secret is to
stay with Filipinos in Europe.
00:42:18.53\00:42:20.24
Yeah.
00:42:20.27\00:42:21.87
And get that rice. Yeah.
00:42:21.90\00:42:24.21
What, I know that as
you have researched this
00:42:24.24\00:42:28.11
and probably,
Aiko, for you as well
00:42:28.14\00:42:32.18
how much have you
learned through this experience
00:42:32.21\00:42:34.55
about the history
that you didn't know?
00:42:34.58\00:42:36.52
We think we know it till you
really start getting into it.
00:42:36.55\00:42:39.35
There is so much
more that I've learned.
00:42:39.39\00:42:42.09
And not just, I mean,
you can read books and learn,
00:42:42.12\00:42:47.40
but there's something about
being able to see the places
00:42:47.43\00:42:50.63
that they were,
you know, lived in,
00:42:50.67\00:42:54.60
experiencing the winter there.
00:42:54.64\00:42:56.87
And that helps you to
get a deeper understanding
00:42:56.91\00:43:00.54
of just how tough it was,
00:43:00.58\00:43:03.38
and how strong
they were not just...
00:43:03.41\00:43:07.55
And it wasn't just
their own strength,
00:43:07.58\00:43:09.08
there had to be the
strength that God gave them.
00:43:09.12\00:43:13.22
And so like not
just the book learning
00:43:13.25\00:43:18.39
through the research and things
00:43:18.43\00:43:20.00
that have gone into the scripts
and we have learned around it,
00:43:20.03\00:43:23.80
but just a deeper
understanding of the experience.
00:43:23.83\00:43:27.97
And our small
little inconveniences
00:43:28.00\00:43:31.77
on the filming trips,
00:43:31.81\00:43:33.14
and sometimes going all
day just filming without eating
00:43:33.17\00:43:36.24
because we had to,
00:43:36.28\00:43:37.61
you know, make the most of
all the daylight or whatever.
00:43:37.65\00:43:40.12
Those are just
pale and insignificance
00:43:40.15\00:43:44.82
compared to what
they had to face,
00:43:44.85\00:43:47.16
and what they
lived with every day
00:43:47.19\00:43:49.62
of their lives some of them.
00:43:49.66\00:43:50.99
Absolutely.
00:43:51.03\00:43:52.36
But the experience
is really valuable,
00:43:52.39\00:43:54.03
like when you
read it from the book,
00:43:54.06\00:43:55.50
it's, you're blown away,
00:43:55.53\00:43:57.60
but when you're there,
00:43:57.63\00:43:58.97
like, especially in
episode that would be released,
00:43:59.00\00:44:00.54
supposed to be this week.
00:44:00.57\00:44:01.90
Are we releasing that episode?
00:44:01.94\00:44:03.27
Yeah, we are releasing episode
called Massacre at Castelluzzo
00:44:03.30\00:44:06.37
where we climbed
up two-hour hike,
00:44:06.41\00:44:09.81
going up to the mountain
00:44:09.84\00:44:11.18
and this mountain is
where they drop people off.
00:44:11.21\00:44:13.92
If they don't
recant, I mean, their faith
00:44:13.95\00:44:16.55
and they'll be dropped
off, and I was standing there.
00:44:16.58\00:44:18.92
And when you say we,
00:44:18.95\00:44:20.29
there's people who
are watching right now
00:44:20.32\00:44:21.82
who have no idea
what we're talking about,
00:44:21.86\00:44:23.83
who's the we that were
persecuting these Christians
00:44:23.86\00:44:28.10
that had basically
00:44:28.13\00:44:32.40
split from the papacy
00:44:32.43\00:44:35.54
and they were
following sola scriptura,
00:44:35.57\00:44:38.44
sola gratia by grace alone,
00:44:38.47\00:44:40.98
just Bible and the
Bible only, sola gratia.
00:44:41.01\00:44:43.88
The grace and grace alone, sola,
00:44:43.91\00:44:46.85
you know,
talking about Christos,
00:44:46.88\00:44:48.98
only Jesus can save.
00:44:49.02\00:44:50.85
So there's this group of people
00:44:50.89\00:44:53.46
that who have
separated from the papacy,
00:44:53.49\00:44:56.42
from the error of
the pastor into the Bible
00:44:56.46\00:44:58.99
because the Bible was now
becoming available to them.
00:44:59.03\00:45:02.73
And here they are,
they're being marched up
00:45:02.76\00:45:05.83
this mountain by whom?
00:45:05.87\00:45:08.50
By the Roman soldier,
00:45:08.54\00:45:09.87
the Catholic Church technically.
00:45:09.90\00:45:11.54
It was the Jesuit order
of the Roman Catholic Church
00:45:11.57\00:45:14.11
and they were then...
00:45:14.14\00:45:15.54
If they didn't recant...
00:45:15.58\00:45:17.21
They'll push. And then...
00:45:17.25\00:45:18.68
Off they went.
00:45:18.71\00:45:20.05
Yeah, our team stood up there,
00:45:20.08\00:45:21.42
and for me, it
was very emotional,
00:45:21.45\00:45:23.35
you know, I was
trying to hide my tears,
00:45:23.39\00:45:27.06
but I was really like, "Wow!
00:45:27.09\00:45:28.89
This is like, what if
I'm here, what will I do?
00:45:28.92\00:45:32.19
Will I recant?"
00:45:32.23\00:45:33.83
Especially, if you see them,
00:45:33.86\00:45:35.20
I mean, they
didn't care about age.
00:45:35.23\00:45:36.80
It was women and children
and if a man is sitting there
00:45:36.83\00:45:40.64
and they're
saying, recant, you know,
00:45:40.67\00:45:43.64
and come back to the papacy.
00:45:43.67\00:45:46.81
If he's watching them...
00:45:46.84\00:45:48.51
If you don't recant,
off go your children,
00:45:48.54\00:45:51.11
off go your wife, that
would be a tough thing.
00:45:51.15\00:45:53.75
Yeah.
00:45:53.78\00:45:55.35
I think seeing the places where,
00:45:55.38\00:45:57.55
as my wife said,
00:45:57.59\00:45:58.92
just
experiencing where they were,
00:45:58.95\00:46:00.99
it makes a big impact on you
00:46:01.02\00:46:02.69
because you're like, you
know, in this room this happened
00:46:02.72\00:46:04.89
or, you know, in
this valley, this happened
00:46:04.93\00:46:07.86
or people made a stand here.
00:46:07.90\00:46:09.93
And it's to me that sounds a lot
00:46:09.96\00:46:12.53
that you can actually
walk in their footsteps
00:46:12.57\00:46:14.70
and be where they are.
00:46:14.74\00:46:16.77
For me a big lesson
that stood out to me
00:46:16.81\00:46:22.04
as I was doing the research
and traveling and filming
00:46:22.08\00:46:25.35
was how many of the
reformers were young?
00:46:25.38\00:46:27.78
You know, we always think...
00:46:27.82\00:46:29.52
At least I, not
others, I always thought
00:46:29.55\00:46:31.89
when you look at the pictures
00:46:31.92\00:46:33.25
and most of the
pictures are paintings
00:46:33.29\00:46:34.62
or they're black and white,
00:46:34.66\00:46:35.99
you're like, oh,
John Wycliffe old,
00:46:36.02\00:46:37.63
you know, William Tyndale old
00:46:37.66\00:46:39.13
because the pictures look old,
00:46:39.16\00:46:40.63
and I mean that's not
the way we do pictures today.
00:46:40.66\00:46:43.20
You just assume
that there were old,
00:46:43.23\00:46:44.57
60, 70, 80,
whatever 90-year old people.
00:46:44.60\00:46:48.97
And they were as a young person
would say, they were older.
00:46:49.00\00:46:54.74
When I actually started
the research and realize that,
00:46:54.78\00:46:57.05
you know, Martin
Luther was only 34
00:46:57.08\00:46:58.85
when he nailed the 95 theses
00:46:58.88\00:47:00.48
to the door of near the
Cathedral in Wittenberg,
00:47:00.52\00:47:02.88
and William Tyndale
translated the Bible
00:47:02.92\00:47:05.72
into the English
language in his 30s.
00:47:05.75\00:47:08.29
That is surprising.
00:47:08.32\00:47:09.66
And John Hus was
31 when he was the,
00:47:09.69\00:47:11.69
you know, the pastor
00:47:11.73\00:47:13.06
of the Bethlehem
Chapel in Prague.
00:47:13.09\00:47:14.43
And you start, wow, these guys
00:47:14.46\00:47:16.67
they did most of
their significant work
00:47:16.70\00:47:18.43
in their 20s and 30s.
00:47:18.47\00:47:20.37
And we often
don't emphasize that,
00:47:20.40\00:47:24.24
and for me that
kind of stood out
00:47:24.27\00:47:25.61
as I was looking
at all these reformers
00:47:25.64\00:47:26.98
one after the other,
00:47:27.01\00:47:28.34
that their big work
that they did in their life
00:47:28.38\00:47:31.38
was often earlier in their life.
00:47:31.41\00:47:33.25
That's, you know,
actually that is fascinating
00:47:33.28\00:47:34.98
because usually you
see them portrayed by men
00:47:35.02\00:47:37.29
who are in their
50s, 40s and 50s.
00:47:37.32\00:47:39.72
So that is very
impressive. Yeah.
00:47:39.75\00:47:41.09
So to me that really stood out
that these were younger people
00:47:41.12\00:47:44.96
going against the grain,
00:47:44.99\00:47:46.49
and the other thing
that stood out to me
00:47:46.53\00:47:47.86
was none of these men or women
planned to be great reformers.
00:47:47.90\00:47:52.90
Yes.
00:47:52.93\00:47:54.27
They just wanted to be faithful,
00:47:54.30\00:47:55.64
but they never planned,
00:47:55.67\00:47:57.01
I'm going to take on the church,
00:47:57.04\00:47:58.37
or I'm going to
change, or I'm going to reform,
00:47:58.41\00:47:59.74
I'm going to start
a new denomination.
00:47:59.77\00:48:01.11
They just wanted to be
faithful to God's Word.
00:48:01.14\00:48:03.21
It took them on that train,
00:48:03.24\00:48:05.01
but I mean, the trajectory
00:48:05.05\00:48:06.85
but they never planned that way.
00:48:06.88\00:48:08.78
They just wanted
to be faithful and...
00:48:08.82\00:48:11.39
But may I say truly,
when you think about it,
00:48:11.42\00:48:14.22
you didn't plan
it to be touching
00:48:14.26\00:48:17.36
so many nations
with this project.
00:48:17.39\00:48:19.73
Your plan...
00:48:19.76\00:48:21.26
And I think God does
this, He gives us an idea,
00:48:21.30\00:48:24.03
He doesn't show us everything
00:48:24.07\00:48:25.73
'cause we'd be
overwhelmed otherwise,
00:48:25.77\00:48:27.57
but He'll give us something,
00:48:27.60\00:48:28.94
and when we're
faithful in the little things,
00:48:28.97\00:48:31.27
He starts
expanding it and same here.
00:48:31.31\00:48:34.28
I just want to say very briefly
00:48:34.31\00:48:35.68
because I want to
get their address roll
00:48:35.71\00:48:38.25
out for you to see,
00:48:38.28\00:48:39.61
but this project we're going
to have a special 3ABN website
00:48:39.65\00:48:44.59
will be launching
in the near future
00:48:44.62\00:48:46.15
with little shorts to
reach people your age, Jasper.
00:48:46.19\00:48:50.03
So we're looking forward to
having this on that website.
00:48:50.06\00:48:53.63
And if you don't know this,
00:48:53.66\00:48:55.43
if you live in
the British Isles,
00:48:55.46\00:48:57.60
and if you don't
know this information,
00:48:57.63\00:48:59.40
you need to tell everybody
at your church this information
00:48:59.43\00:49:02.94
is that 3ABN is now
being broadcast on free view,
00:49:02.97\00:49:09.11
and that's VisionTV channel 264.
00:49:09.14\00:49:12.78
So all across the British Isles,
00:49:12.81\00:49:15.25
you don't have to
have a mySDA box or a Roku.
00:49:15.28\00:49:18.89
You can see 3ABN on free
view, VisionTV channel 264.
00:49:18.92\00:49:25.69
We want to just give me
about a minute and a half here.
00:49:25.73\00:49:32.63
What positive
testimonies have you heard?
00:49:32.67\00:49:35.50
Oh, there's been
several that have come in.
00:49:35.54\00:49:38.24
One that stands
out to me have been...
00:49:38.27\00:49:40.78
Let me share with you two,
one was from a schoolteacher
00:49:40.81\00:49:43.14
that we recently
got in British Columbia.
00:49:43.18\00:49:44.85
She said, "I'm a schoolteacher
in an Adventist school,
00:49:44.88\00:49:47.78
but 90% of my
students are non-Adventists
00:49:47.82\00:49:49.88
or even Christian."
00:49:49.92\00:49:51.25
And she says, she
shows the Lineage videos,
00:49:51.29\00:49:53.62
and I forget which
class, the history class maybe,
00:49:53.66\00:49:55.96
and says, the kids
really look forward to it.
00:49:55.99\00:49:57.86
And she said, the
students like 13 to 14,
00:49:57.89\00:50:00.93
and she's really encouraged
by watching non-Adventist,
00:50:00.96\00:50:04.30
non-Christian children
that are excited to learn
00:50:04.33\00:50:07.34
about the story of
the Christian church.
00:50:07.37\00:50:09.67
And we've had
several other teachers
00:50:09.70\00:50:11.04
that have sent
us similar messages
00:50:11.07\00:50:12.77
that they've been
watching it as well.
00:50:12.81\00:50:14.68
Another one that stands out was,
00:50:14.71\00:50:16.04
I was in California recently
00:50:16.08\00:50:18.01
and a man came up
to me and he said,
00:50:18.05\00:50:19.68
"I want to thank
you for these videos."
00:50:19.71\00:50:21.18
And he said, "My wife and I
00:50:21.22\00:50:23.18
have started
studying the Bible together
00:50:23.22\00:50:25.45
as a married couple because
of watching these videos,"
00:50:25.49\00:50:29.12
these Lineage videos
00:50:29.16\00:50:30.59
that it really
brought them together
00:50:30.63\00:50:32.53
and it gave them a basis
from then to study God's Word.
00:50:32.56\00:50:35.20
And that was really
encouraging to see the,
00:50:35.23\00:50:37.47
you know, oftentimes we
look at the stats or the views
00:50:37.50\00:50:40.04
or we look at the
videos on this side,
00:50:40.07\00:50:41.40
but to see the human
impact on the other side.
00:50:41.44\00:50:43.97
And to hear, you know,
a personal testimony of,
00:50:44.01\00:50:46.34
you know, a married couple,
00:50:46.37\00:50:47.81
you know, coming
together to study God's Word
00:50:47.84\00:50:49.44
based after they had
watched several of the videos
00:50:49.48\00:50:51.71
was really encouraging.
00:50:51.75\00:50:53.08
Amen.
00:50:53.11\00:50:54.45
Well, we're going to
come back in just a moment
00:50:54.48\00:50:55.82
for a final thought from you,
00:50:55.85\00:50:57.19
but what I'd like to do
is to put up the information
00:50:57.22\00:51:00.99
and you can see all,
there is 46 or so up right now?
00:51:01.02\00:51:04.83
In total there are
42 and dishing it off.
00:51:04.86\00:51:06.43
Forty-two now and by
the end of the year 48,
00:51:06.46\00:51:09.33
so you can go to
LineageJourney.com
00:51:09.36\00:51:13.87
and watch these.
00:51:13.90\00:51:15.30
But let me put this
information up for you.
00:51:15.34\00:51:17.97
If you want to get in
touch with Adam and his team,
00:51:18.01\00:51:21.18
maybe the Lord is
impressing you to do something,
00:51:21.21\00:51:24.18
here's how you can
get in touch with them.
00:51:24.21\00:51:27.98
The Peace Centre of Evangelism
00:51:28.02\00:51:29.92
is sponsored by the
North England Conference
00:51:29.95\00:51:32.65
of Seventh-day
Adventist Churches.
00:51:32.69\00:51:34.76
If you would like to find out
00:51:34.79\00:51:36.12
more about their
training programs,
00:51:36.16\00:51:38.09
including their
three month, one week,
00:51:38.13\00:51:40.40
and weekend
church training programs,
00:51:40.43\00:51:42.86
be sure to visit their
website PeaceCentre.eu.
00:51:42.90\00:51:47.47
That's Peace Centre
spelled, C-E-N-T-R-E.eu.
00:51:47.50\00:51:53.98
You may call
them at 0115-960-6312
00:51:54.01\00:52:00.72
or write to them
at 22 Zulla Road,
00:52:00.75\00:52:03.72
Mapperley Park,
Nottingham NG35DB.
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