I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome
once again to 3ABN Today.
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My name is CA Murray.
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And allow me to
thank you once again
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for sharing just a
little of your day with us,
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to thank you for your
love, your prayers, your support
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of Three Angels
Broadcasting Network.
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As together, we
seek to tell the world
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that Jesus is coming
soon and to prepare them
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for that grand and glorious day.
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I'm excited today
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because of the
subject matter and my guest.
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Sometimes you just meet people,
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and as you meet them,
you just kind of like them.
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They just kind of got a
cool way about themselves.
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Such is the case with my
guest who is Chuck Hagele.
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I want to get that right,
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because I've heard some
intonations of that name.
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Hagele who is the
executive director
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of Project Patch.
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This is not his first time here.
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You may have
heard that name before
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or it may be new to you.
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We're gonna talk about that,
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that name where it
came from in a little bit
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and talk about
the unique ministry
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that Project Patch performs,
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and it performs a
very, very vital role.
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So sit back, and you
may want to even take notes,
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because you may find yourself
having need for the services
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that are
supplied by Project Patch,
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or you may know someone
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who can take advantage of
those self, same services.
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Chuck, good to
have you here, man.
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It's great to be
here today. Yeah.
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Now, we need to get a
little history on you,
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because you have a
fairly eclectic background,
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dare I say, born where?
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I was actually born in Colorado
and quickly moved to Japan.
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And so I grew up in Japan,
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and then was pulled
out of that country,
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and then ended up growing
up in the Midwest in Nebraska.
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I see, so obviously
you speak fluent Japanese.
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I would love to,
did I at one point.
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I still love Japanese
food but my tongue is tied.
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So you've pretty
much forgotten it.
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You know, I have.
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I think it's back
there at some place,
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but you don't get a whole
lot of chance to speak Japanese
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when you grow up
in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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Indeed.
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If you were plopped
down for some reason
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in the middle of Japan,
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do you think it
would hit your ear,
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you could get it back,
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or is it so far removed that
you probably just have lost it.
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I'd love to think that it would.
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Trips in Europe,
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occasionally a
word would spit out,
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and we've adopted all
three of our kids from China,
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and so I spend
some time in China
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and occasionally a Japanese word
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would come through.
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I think I'll have to
deal with Google Translate
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to help me if I was
in Japan at this point.
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So missionary child,
have brothers and sisters?
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I have two older brothers.
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You're the baby.
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I am the baby. Indeed.
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You know, they have
many interesting things
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to say about the
baby of the family,
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particularly, when you
got three or more siblings.
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The old one tends to
be a little authoritarian
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because he's usually in charge.
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And then the middle one
can go in any direction,
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and then the baby is the baby.
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You know, what I think
is funny is Project Patch
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and I personally
am adoptive father,
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and my two older
brothers were adopted.
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And so I'd like to think
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that I've got the
disposition of a lastborn
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and the genetics of a firstborn.
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Of a firstborn.
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We'll go with
that. We'll go with that.
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Praise the Lord.
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It is one thing, Chuck,
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to be born in an Adventist home,
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to be born even
in a missionary home.
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It is another to be surrounded
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with the
accouterments of Adventism
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but to accept
Christ for yourself.
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At what point in your life
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would you say
that happened for you?
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You know, that's
a fascinating thing,
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because I look at my history is,
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I grew up loving God but
being very fearful of God.
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Doing the right things
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but not necessarily
doing it out of a motivation.
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My fear was, I want a
reward which is heaven,
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and I want to avoid pain,
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but really the love
of God wasn't there.
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I'll be blunt with that.
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Love going to church,
love learning about God,
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but there is this part of
it that it wasn't inside of me.
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And I think in high
school at one point,
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I had finally got into probably
a senior in high school,
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attended Adventist
schools all the way through,
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and heard a presentation there
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that I finally
started to get a sliver
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that God loves me
in a powerful way.
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Not when I clean up everything
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but He loves me
in that powerful way.
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I will say it took
me years and years,
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and I'm still on that journey,
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I'm just
appreciating that there's a God
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that pursues my heart,
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and that I can love Him
fully and trust Him fully.
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And so my motivations
changed over the years.
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I've grown into a
deeper relationship with God.
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And what's interesting is,
as I've entered into ministry,
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and I was trained as a pastor,
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but as I've
continued to go into ministry
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and to the
point of Project Patch
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where we can't
do it without God.
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There is no possible way that
we could exist as a ministry,
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and there is no possible way
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that we could change
kids' lives without His power.
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And so the dependence on God
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and just the reality
that He's willing to do
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so much more than I ever dreamed
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possible as a little kid.
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So it's been a great journey,
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and I'd say
that I'm still on it.
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Praise the Lord.
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Even this morning, I'm still
on that process of realizing
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that God is so good.
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Amen, amen, amen.
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I think that
realization is the fact
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that He loves
you unconditionally,
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and that He is willing
to move mountains for you
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is the first step
along the road to salvation
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that our God is gonna seek you,
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and stay with you,
and never let you go.
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Your educational
resume is kind of fits you
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for what you're doing now,
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theology degree,
psychology, and business.
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Correct. Yeah. Not bad.
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You know, it's so funny how...
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There's been times in
my life where I thought,
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"God, why did I do
this, why did I do that?
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Why did you place these?"
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And it really is
for a time as this.
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I believe that God has
given me a platform now
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that pulls all these things
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that didn't make
sense in my life together,
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and He's still
planning more things
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that I'm terrified about.
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But it's exciting to see that,
you know, there is people...
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I thought there was a path,
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especially when I was in college
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that I'm gonna follow this path
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and everything
will seem to make sense.
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And what I've discovered
especially in this job,
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now that I've
been at Project Patch
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since 2005 full time, 2003,
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I did some chaplaincy for them,
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is that everyday
there is new possibilities.
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Yeah.
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And it's been really exciting
that way to see my education,
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and see my
passions, and see my speaking,
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and all these things
gonna come together in ways
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that I never
thought were possible.
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Yeah.
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If you were looking for a resume
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that would sort of suit one
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for youth ministry,
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independent ministry,
and when I say independent,
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separate from the church
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but certainly
supporting the church,
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theology, psychology, business,
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I don't know, if you
could pick a better three.
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You know, and one that I'll add
to that and walk with a limp.
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You know, and by a limp,
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I mean that dependent
on God on these things.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Because I've realized that
even as I become more educated,
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that because of my
history, because of my pain,
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my dependence on God
is what pulls it together.
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You know, and so for my resume,
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it's really my
story that I love to tell
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is that it's not my success
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that's put me in a
place with Project Patch
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that I can really minister.
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It's the fact that God's
brought me through so much,
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through my pain,
through my recovery,
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and that I do walk with a limp.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I say praise
God for that limp
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because that's been so much
more valuable in my education.
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Yeah.
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I like using that
term walk with a limp.
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And I want to explore
that, before we go to the music,
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just a couple of things.
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When and where did
you meet your wife?
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Oh, great story.
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I met her as I was doing
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an internship
partway through college,
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and we were in the
Oregon Conference office,
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and she was just
graduated from college,
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and I was partway through.
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And I met her, and
we slowly fell in love.
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I won't say that we
were quick, instant love,
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but we slowly fell in love.
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And ironically she's
Tom Sanford's daughter,
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the founder of Project Patch.
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And so we've been
donors, we married in 1994.
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You married your boss' daughter.
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I married.
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Well, I wasn't
planning on working for them,
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I mean that, like once again,
that was not my intention.
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But it's amazing how God
works in mysterious ways.
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But, yeah, it's been years now
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that we've been
involved with Project Patch
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because of
marrying the boss' daughter.
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Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
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Now you say you
adopted three children?
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Yeah. All from China.
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All from China, so
we've got a ten year old,
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a nine year old,
and an eight year old.
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Wow. And we're very blessed.
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Was that something intentional,
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that it kind of
just occurred to you?
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How did you get into that?
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My wife and I went through
really difficult marriage time.
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Year seven of our
marriage was a challenge.
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And coming out
of that counseling,
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and prayer, and
support from people,
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we really felt blessed
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that we are at a
place in our marriage
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and in our lifestyle that
could be a blessing to children.
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And at that point,
we both loved adoption.
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We both believed in
the power of adoption,
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and so we pursued
adoption as our first choice,
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and it's been an
amazing, amazing journey.
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And what's fun is my
work at Project Patch now,
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it's been a lot of supporting
foster and adoptive parents.
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Realizing that
there are so many,
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the spiritual mandate
is to help the orphans.
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And so it's been
a privilege as a dad
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and as an employee
to be able to go out,
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and really be in this
adoption foster space,
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and do what we can do in
order to follow the Word of God.
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Yeah.
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Your reference, limping,
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was that the reference
to the time in your marriage
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when you struggled a little bit
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or was that
something personal for you?
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You know, I think
it even goes before
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that is that
growing up in a church
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with all the
benefits of the church,
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I still, in the
midst of this, John 10:10,
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"The thief comes to
steal, kill, and destroy."
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And I was part of that.
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I was wrapped up as a kid
in a transition time in my life
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that pulled my friends toward
some really negative things.
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I mean, you're
looking at pornography,
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and pornography starts
to take a hold in my life.
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You're looking at...
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Luckily my
brothers threatened me,
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but at one point I was
again pulled into smoking
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and some of
those kind of things,
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but I was being
pulled one direction.
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And really that's where
because of the grace of God,
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because of mentors,
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because of
different circumstances,
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I was able to get
away from those things.
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Praise the Lord.
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But, yeah, from
even a starting age,
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I felt in my life that
there is that challenge of,
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"Satan is coming to destroy."
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But at the same time,
God's got such an abundance,
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and realizing what
that abundance means for me
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personally in
recovery from those things,
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and also that there is
such a hope that I have.
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You know, that there
are so many people right now
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that are worried,
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that are looking
at the circumstances
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of this world,
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that are looking at the
kids that they are raising,
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and what I'm
having to say is that
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there is more
hope than ever before.
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God is at work right now.
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Satan, sure, he's at work
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but God is at
work freeing lives,
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setting people
free from addictions.
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And to me, that's a testimony
that's personal in my life
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as well as in my work,
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I've been able to see
it in other people's lives
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as freedom is given...
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Fabulous.
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So what the
Lord has done for you
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is given you a testimony,
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because obviously the
line to where you are now
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has not been a straight line.
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No.
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You've had some
wilderness years.
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And not that that's
necessary for ministry,
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but it does give your
ministry a certain texture
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that you wouldn't have
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if you did not
have those experiences.
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Correct.
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And I think
there is just a sense
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when I talk to a
child that's hurting
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or when I talk to a
parent that's confused.
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I can hold that space with them.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's difficult
world that we have.
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And to me, that's
the joy of ministry
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is sitting with people.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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In New York, we
call that street cred.
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You know, because they
know, been there, done that.
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So I can tell you
that you can overcome,
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you can recover.
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So praise the Lord.
Yeah, good deal, good deal.
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Give me the ages
of the kids again?
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I've got a...
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My youngest is eight,
and then the nine-year-old,
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and a ten-year-old.
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My girls are
actually five months apart.
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Okay. So boy, girl, girl?
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Girl, girl, boy, okay.
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So the youngest is a little boy.
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All right. Good deal.
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Your house is supposed
to be an exciting place.
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It is a lot of
fun. Praise the Lord.
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I want to go to our music
just now, and then come back,
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and we'll sort of move
into and through Project Patch.
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You can understand, you
can see where we're going.
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This is ministry to
youth who are in trouble,
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and you may want
to give a good ear,
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because you may hear something
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that will help you with
a young person of your own,
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and the fact that the leader
of this ministry has been there
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and come back.
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It should fortify
in your mind the idea,
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the notion that you can go,
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but you can recover
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if you put your hand
in the hand of the Lord.
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So we've got a
lot to talk about.
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We're gonna go
to Jaime Jorge now,
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who is going to
be playing for us,
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"A Mighty Fortress is our God".
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Amen and amen.
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Jaime Jorge, "A
Mighty Fortress is our God".
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I remember
telling him once that,
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he plays the violin almost
like he wants to saw it in half.
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And he said, "Sometimes,
I feel like I wish I would.
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I wish I could saw it in half."
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But an excellent
person, excellent musician,
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and a good
Christian brother and friend.
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You say, he's done
some work for Patch.
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Yeah, he's helped us
raise money for the kids
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that we serve by doing
some concerts in Portland area.
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Praise the Lord.
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So in painting with
the broadest brush, Chuck,
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Project Patch is a
ministry for, that does what?
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Yeah, so the
heart of what we do is
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help hopeless teens,
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and so we've
done that since 1984.
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And so the idea is that
there are teens out there
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that once a teen loses hope,
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they start doing
future destructive
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behaviors, relationship
destructive behaviors,
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self destructive behavior.
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And so we work with
kids that are at that point
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that they are not
safe at home anymore.
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They'll spend...
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For the boys, it's gonna
be about six months to a year.
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And for the girls, it's
gonna be a minimum of a year
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that they spend at our
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residential
therapeutic program in Idaho.
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So it's counseling, it's school,
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it's this process of
really building relationships
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to try to get kids off
that track that they are on
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and get them on to
that positive future track.
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And so that's the
heart of what we do.
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So the youth program
and so the hopeless teens,
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but the recognition
that we had years ago
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was that if the
kids are hopeless,
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what does the family look like?
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And a lot of times,
what we discovered is that
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there is these amazing parents
that love their kids deeply,
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but they lack the tools
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to be able to
communicate with the kids,
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they lack the tools to
pull the family together.
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And we see a time right now
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in which families
are being torn apart.
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And so we had this
dream of what would it be like
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if Project Patch
wasn't just helping the kids,
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but what would it look like
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if we found a way to
help families be stronger?
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Not just the kids that are
going through Project Patch
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but in general,
I mean, if you look
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around your church or community,
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every single family
is being pulled apart.
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What would it look
like if we had a ministry
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that reached out to them?
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So we, now
through the grace of God,
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have this family
center in Central Washington,
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and so it's called
the family experience,
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and it's a four day program,
kind of like a retreat setting.
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We do a bunch of teaching
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as well as ropes
course type activities,
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and it's all about
pulling the family together
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in this world
that's destroying families.
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And the final
part of our ministry
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is really recognizing
that there is a sense of fear
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in our churches,
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there is a sense of deep
care for kids and families,
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but a lot more hand-wringing
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and frustration than actual
positive things happening,
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and so as a minister,
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we've really devoted ourselves
to equipping the church,
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equipping the community
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to be this place that helps kids
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and families thrive.
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And so teaching on pornography,
video game addition,
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social media, teaching
on how to launch kids...
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Well, this last week,
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I was even doing
a pathfinder seminar
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on how do you
help pathfinder leaders
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be more effective,
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working with our summer camps
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so they can do abuse prevention,
00:19:56.49\00:19:58.26
working with some of
these kids that are hurting.
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So our ministry in ways
00:20:00.20\00:20:01.86
has expanded from
this heart of kids
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to really recognizing that
if our churches are strong,
00:20:05.73\00:20:08.50
if our homes are
strong, and our kids are strong,
00:20:08.54\00:20:11.24
that's a system
that glorifies God
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and really fits His idea.
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Yeah.
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So, Chuck, you're kind of
following the Al-Anon model
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that if a young
person is in trouble,
00:20:17.48\00:20:19.81
the family is in trouble.
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I mean, it's not an
isolated kind of thing.
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Now I'm hurting everybody
who loves me is hurting also.
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Now am I understanding,
you have two campuses?
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Yeah, so Idaho
campus is a youth campus
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about 170 acres there,
beautiful property in Idaho.
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Now we're about an
hour out of Boise, Idaho.
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So amazing tranquil place.
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Southern Idaho,
river front property.
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God's really blessed us.
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There's elk on our property,
there is bears on our property
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which kind of helps once
in a while to scare the kids
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to keep in the dorm.
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So that's our Idaho property,
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and then we have 500
acres in Central Washington
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about two hours
from Portland, Oregon.
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Okay, and that's
where the family...
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That's where the
family retreat is.
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Excellent. Excellent.
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What did your father-in-law see
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that drove him to
begin this ministry?
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What was the animus for
starting Patch initially,
00:21:01.62\00:21:04.93
and where did
the name come from?
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Well, it's interesting
because Tom as a pastor,
00:21:06.49\00:21:10.47
pastor of a small church,
00:21:10.50\00:21:12.00
he was getting
calls from people.
00:21:12.03\00:21:13.40
He was getting
calls from church members,
00:21:13.44\00:21:15.14
he was getting
people from other churches
00:21:15.17\00:21:17.31
he had pastored,
00:21:17.34\00:21:18.67
conference as well as
the town that he lived in.
00:21:18.71\00:21:20.84
As a pastor, he
was well connected
00:21:20.88\00:21:22.51
with different
juvenile justice type things.
00:21:22.54\00:21:25.28
They kept calling and saying,
00:21:25.31\00:21:26.65
"Tom, can you
help us find someone?"
00:21:26.68\00:21:28.62
And Tom took out a rolodex,
you remember the rolodex?
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Oh, yes.
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And his goal is to make
it someone else's problem.
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And he went through his rolodex
00:21:34.92\00:21:36.26
to try to
identify other ministries,
00:21:36.29\00:21:37.69
other people that he
could send the kids to,
00:21:37.73\00:21:39.13
and he came up empty.
00:21:39.16\00:21:41.20
And at that point, really that,
00:21:41.23\00:21:43.10
you know, when
you look at Matthew,
00:21:43.13\00:21:44.47
the story of
feeding 5,000 as Jesus said,
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"You give them
something to eat."
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Yes.
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You know, and that
preceded the miracle, didn't it?
00:21:49.54\00:21:51.21
And so Tom
stepped into that that,
00:21:51.24\00:21:52.97
"Okay, God, you want me
to do something about it."
00:21:53.01\00:21:55.44
Tom started the ministry
on a fairly small basis.
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The conference
gave him two years off,
00:21:59.31\00:22:01.95
two years off to
solve all these kid problem,
00:22:01.98\00:22:03.99
and that was in 1984,
and Tom is retired now.
00:22:04.02\00:22:07.72
But his miracle of
stepping into obedience
00:22:07.76\00:22:10.86
with these kids continues.
00:22:10.89\00:22:12.46
You know, and
the joy about it now
00:22:12.49\00:22:13.96
is that I've been
able to step into it.
00:22:14.00\00:22:15.33
We have a staff of close to 50.
00:22:15.36\00:22:17.57
And so it's a
large group of people
00:22:17.60\00:22:19.93
that have joined Tom in
this idea of reclaiming kids,
00:22:19.97\00:22:23.04
but it all started
with people calling.
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What's funny is, you
asked about the name,
00:22:25.77\00:22:27.11
Project Patch.
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It also has that
temporary feeling,
00:22:28.51\00:22:30.05
and originally
it has this acronym
00:22:30.08\00:22:31.95
that stood for
planned assistance
00:22:31.98\00:22:33.38
for troubled children.
00:22:33.42\00:22:34.88
We don't use
that acronym anymore,
00:22:34.92\00:22:36.82
because we're not
sure what it means
00:22:36.85\00:22:38.25
other than to say that
that, you know, all of us...
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You take a look at any
kid, any parent, any family,
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there is no normal.
00:22:48.20\00:22:49.80
We're all hurting nowadays.
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Agreed.
00:22:51.20\00:22:52.53
You know, and so as a ministry,
00:22:52.57\00:22:53.90
maybe the idea is that
we're doing what we can,
00:22:53.94\00:22:56.64
we put a patch on
it, God does the healing.
00:22:56.67\00:22:59.77
You know, and God
does the transforming,
00:22:59.81\00:23:01.34
and that's been the fun
thing about our ministry
00:23:01.38\00:23:03.14
is that now that we've
been at it for these many years,
00:23:03.18\00:23:06.35
there is people
that Patch has helped
00:23:06.38\00:23:08.22
that are older than I am.
00:23:08.25\00:23:09.58
I'm only 46 years old.
00:23:09.62\00:23:10.95
But you look at the generations
that have been changed,
00:23:10.99\00:23:14.29
because Tom stepped out
in obedience to the call.
00:23:14.32\00:23:16.89
Praise the Lord. Praise God.
00:23:16.93\00:23:18.29
You know, it's interesting,
00:23:18.33\00:23:19.66
and 3ABN has the same
history of someone saying,
00:23:19.69\00:23:22.63
"Okay, Lord, why isn't there
somebody to do such and such."
00:23:22.66\00:23:26.84
And the Lord says,
00:23:26.87\00:23:28.20
"Pick up a mirror
because you are a somebody."
00:23:28.24\00:23:30.77
In fact, you are the somebody.
00:23:30.81\00:23:32.37
So you do it, you
be the hands. You heal.
00:23:32.41\00:23:34.91
And so that's how it began.
00:23:34.94\00:23:36.81
Let's look at
the terrain, Chuck,
00:23:36.85\00:23:40.92
now in its broadest sense,
00:23:40.95\00:23:43.59
because one of the
things you say here
00:23:43.62\00:23:46.09
and I cosign is that the mind,
particularly of young people...
00:23:46.12\00:23:49.76
And before I go there,
your focus group are teens,
00:23:49.79\00:23:53.40
that's 13 to 21?
00:23:53.43\00:23:55.76
We're 12 through 18
00:23:55.80\00:23:57.33
that we're licensed
for in our youth program.
00:23:57.37\00:23:58.93
Okay, okay.
00:23:58.97\00:24:02.17
To finish my thought,
00:24:02.20\00:24:03.61
the idea that everybody's
mind is under attack.
00:24:03.64\00:24:06.61
There is a culture,
you cannot escape it.
00:24:06.64\00:24:09.98
If you go online,
00:24:10.01\00:24:11.35
if you have an eye
anything that brings in a signal
00:24:11.38\00:24:14.32
for some place else,
television, radio, magazines,
00:24:14.35\00:24:18.32
books, kindles,
iPads, iPods, Androids,
00:24:18.35\00:24:22.79
there is material out there
that is designed to seduce you,
00:24:22.82\00:24:27.96
certainly to
draw you into its web,
00:24:28.00\00:24:29.86
and young people,
00:24:29.90\00:24:31.27
I wouldn't mind having
energy of a 16 year old,
00:24:31.30\00:24:34.70
but I doubt if I'd want to be 16
00:24:34.74\00:24:36.81
at this point in my life.
00:24:36.84\00:24:38.61
It's tough being a
young person today,
00:24:38.64\00:24:40.44
and I guess you
see that firsthand.
00:24:40.48\00:24:42.08
Yeah, Romans 12:2 says,
00:24:42.11\00:24:45.31
"Do not conform to the
pattern of this world."
00:24:45.35\00:24:46.98
Yes.
00:24:47.02\00:24:48.35
And really as a
ministry, we've been studying
00:24:48.38\00:24:50.22
what is the
pattern of this world
00:24:50.25\00:24:51.75
that our kids are
being raised into.
00:24:51.79\00:24:53.62
And by pattern, we're
looking at a definite way
00:24:53.66\00:24:57.69
that the world wants
you to think and behave.
00:24:57.73\00:24:59.39
True.
00:24:59.43\00:25:00.76
And the technology support that,
00:25:00.80\00:25:02.13
but the pattern goes probably
something has been timeless.
00:25:02.16\00:25:04.90
I mean, when you
look at scripture
00:25:04.93\00:25:06.27
speaking to that,
that pattern's been there.
00:25:06.30\00:25:08.04
The pattern of this
world that we see is that,
00:25:08.07\00:25:10.44
"I've got to
fight, I've got to flight,
00:25:10.47\00:25:13.58
or I got to freeze," so
the fear pattern is there.
00:25:13.61\00:25:16.24
And so when you look
at a lot of what kids
00:25:16.28\00:25:18.21
are dealing with right now,
00:25:18.25\00:25:19.65
the level of anger
that comes out so fast.
00:25:19.68\00:25:23.45
You know, anger is
one of those things
00:25:23.49\00:25:25.59
that's seething
within kids and adults.
00:25:25.62\00:25:28.56
And so the response of
anger is just so quick.
00:25:28.59\00:25:31.49
Or that, that kids are
at that point of flight,
00:25:31.53\00:25:34.36
or they're really
busy doing a lot of things
00:25:34.40\00:25:36.97
but nothing productive.
00:25:37.00\00:25:38.67
You know, so you
look at their days,
00:25:38.70\00:25:40.04
and they've been busy,
00:25:40.07\00:25:41.40
they've been on their devices,
they've been doing stuff.
00:25:41.44\00:25:42.77
They've been occupied.
00:25:42.80\00:25:44.14
They've been occupied, exactly,
00:25:44.17\00:25:45.51
but they haven't
actually accomplished anything
00:25:45.54\00:25:48.38
or you've got that freeze.
00:25:48.41\00:25:49.74
And we see a lot of kids
00:25:49.78\00:25:51.11
at that point of
just numbing out.
00:25:51.15\00:25:54.48
They don't know what to
do. They are overwhelmed by it.
00:25:54.52\00:25:57.42
You look at anxiety disorders,
00:25:57.45\00:25:58.99
you look at a
lot of what's going
00:25:59.02\00:26:00.39
in the kid culture nowadays,
00:26:00.42\00:26:01.92
and that's that
they're freezing.
00:26:01.96\00:26:03.99
And what we see too is
the brain numbing behaviors.
00:26:04.03\00:26:07.50
So whether it's drugs
00:26:07.53\00:26:08.86
or whether it's
some sort of activity
00:26:08.90\00:26:10.23
that just lets them forget.
00:26:10.27\00:26:12.33
And so when you
look at the pattern
00:26:12.37\00:26:14.14
fight, flight, freeze,
00:26:14.17\00:26:15.57
is one of the fear
responses is what we'd say.
00:26:15.60\00:26:18.61
But on the other side of
that, there is the pleasure.
00:26:18.64\00:26:20.91
And so what we're seeing is
00:26:20.94\00:26:22.28
that the pattern
of this world says,
00:26:22.31\00:26:23.65
you either need to avoid pain,
00:26:23.68\00:26:25.11
or you need to feel really good,
00:26:25.15\00:26:26.48
or maybe both of
those at the same time.
00:26:26.51\00:26:28.42
So when you look at
our pursuing pleasure,
00:26:28.45\00:26:31.12
the drugs, the
alcohol, the video games,
00:26:31.15\00:26:33.69
the sexual culture that
our kids are growing up to
00:26:33.72\00:26:36.42
with immediate gratification,
00:26:36.46\00:26:39.49
that if you're working
too hard, it must be bad.
00:26:39.53\00:26:42.33
And so this
pattern, honestly is broken.
00:26:42.36\00:26:45.13
I mean, I think, we can see
that as adults looking back.
00:26:45.17\00:26:48.04
But at the same
time, you look at adults
00:26:48.07\00:26:49.40
are still stuck
in the same pattern
00:26:49.44\00:26:51.97
where we're really
busy fighting, fighting,
00:26:52.01\00:26:54.64
or chasing pleasure.
00:26:54.68\00:26:56.28
And what I love about
scriptures, the scripture says,
00:26:56.31\00:26:58.71
"Do not conform to this
pattern but be transformed,"
00:26:58.75\00:27:02.68
you know, "by the
renewing of your mind."
00:27:02.72\00:27:04.05
And so as a ministry
recognize that it makes sense
00:27:04.09\00:27:07.29
that these kids would be
addicted to these devices
00:27:07.32\00:27:10.06
that that would be the
world that they have live in,
00:27:10.09\00:27:12.03
but that's not God's
intention for our minds.
00:27:12.06\00:27:13.66
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:27:13.70\00:27:15.10
You know, and I want to
sort of just tap the break there
00:27:15.13\00:27:17.47
for a moment
00:27:17.50\00:27:18.83
because you've
put your finger on,
00:27:18.87\00:27:20.50
identified 90%
of the young people
00:27:20.54\00:27:23.91
that we're dealing today,
00:27:23.94\00:27:25.27
there is this hostility in many
that is just below the surface,
00:27:25.31\00:27:29.34
and it seems as though
the ability to cope with that
00:27:29.38\00:27:31.85
in any kind of
positive way is leaving us.
00:27:31.88\00:27:34.52
So I'm bullied at school,
00:27:34.55\00:27:35.88
I am not just
going to fight my bully,
00:27:35.92\00:27:38.82
I'm gonna get a gun, and
take out the whole school.
00:27:38.85\00:27:42.52
Or I'm gonna just numb
my brain by either drugs,
00:27:42.56\00:27:46.66
or just
constantly seeking pleasure,
00:27:46.70\00:27:49.23
or pain, or I'm just
frozen, I can't function,
00:27:49.26\00:27:52.83
I cannot cope,
00:27:52.87\00:27:54.20
so I just kind of just zone
out and go to another planet.
00:27:54.24\00:27:56.87
And there are so many,
many, even in the church,
00:27:56.91\00:27:59.27
young people who find themselves
00:27:59.31\00:28:01.38
at that junction of those three
or in one of those three camps.
00:28:01.41\00:28:04.88
Yeah.
00:28:04.91\00:28:06.25
And to me, that's a
sad thing to realize
00:28:06.28\00:28:08.38
is that that's become normal.
00:28:08.42\00:28:11.65
That's become accepted...
00:28:11.69\00:28:13.02
Yes, yes. Expected.
00:28:13.05\00:28:14.92
And that's not right.
00:28:14.96\00:28:16.66
You know, kids are being
lost because of those things.
00:28:16.69\00:28:18.16
Yeah.
00:28:18.19\00:28:19.53
And parents find themselves
at wit's end trying to handle,
00:28:19.56\00:28:25.37
any of those theory.
00:28:25.40\00:28:26.74
You know, you have
young people who just...
00:28:26.77\00:28:30.51
Media, and I say media,
00:28:30.54\00:28:32.47
anything that
comes through electronic,
00:28:32.51\00:28:33.84
so I'm including
internet and everything
00:28:33.88\00:28:35.58
in that is so pervasive.
00:28:35.61\00:28:37.58
Popular culture is so strong,
how can you fight against it
00:28:37.61\00:28:40.92
because it's just everywhere?
00:28:40.95\00:28:42.28
Yeah.
00:28:42.32\00:28:43.65
And let me give a
little bit of a model
00:28:43.69\00:28:45.02
of what I believe Satan
is doing uniquely right now.
00:28:45.05\00:28:47.26
I mean, I think it's
been at it for a while.
00:28:47.29\00:28:48.79
If you take a look at,
00:28:48.82\00:28:50.16
this is gonna
represent the brain real quick,
00:28:50.19\00:28:51.56
real basic, brain stem
00:28:51.59\00:28:53.06
all your nerves
are coming up here.
00:28:53.09\00:28:54.60
So this is the brain stem,
00:28:54.63\00:28:55.96
this is the part of
your brain that just reacts,
00:28:56.00\00:28:58.83
adrenaline flows here.
00:28:58.87\00:29:00.50
If you step on a stick
and think it's a snake,
00:29:00.54\00:29:02.80
you jump, your eyes dilate.
00:29:02.84\00:29:04.57
This is that system that
endorphins all that stuff,
00:29:04.61\00:29:07.24
adrenaline flows there.
00:29:07.28\00:29:08.78
That's not a
good part of your...
00:29:08.81\00:29:10.65
It's a good part of
your brain to keep you alive,
00:29:10.68\00:29:12.71
but it's wrong
so much of the time.
00:29:12.75\00:29:15.38
And so we have
another part of the brain
00:29:15.42\00:29:17.49
called limbic system.
00:29:17.52\00:29:18.85
And so you look at the amygdala,
00:29:18.89\00:29:20.22
the hippocampus, this
is memories and emotion.
00:29:20.26\00:29:22.82
And so if you
look at a kid's brain,
00:29:22.86\00:29:24.63
it's developing from the back,
00:29:24.66\00:29:25.99
from the base brain learning
how to walk and coordinate
00:29:26.03\00:29:28.06
to the part of having
emotions and memories.
00:29:28.10\00:29:30.30
And then we've
got a frontal lobe,
00:29:30.33\00:29:31.67
the squishy part of our brain
00:29:31.70\00:29:33.44
that helps us with the thinking.
00:29:33.47\00:29:35.04
God wants all of
this to be integrated.
00:29:35.07\00:29:38.17
You know, and He
gave all of it to us,
00:29:38.21\00:29:40.01
ability to act,
the ability to think,
00:29:40.04\00:29:41.88
and remember, and have
emotions and ability to think.
00:29:41.91\00:29:44.68
And so this integrated brain
is a beautiful God given thing.
00:29:44.71\00:29:48.35
What I like to think
of as the undivided heart
00:29:48.38\00:29:50.79
that you think about
in Ezekiel or in Psalms
00:29:50.82\00:29:52.85
is when this whole
brain in integrated.
00:29:52.89\00:29:54.56
Here is the
struggle that we have is that
00:29:54.59\00:29:56.22
Satan wants us
to use just one part
00:29:56.26\00:29:59.16
and suppress the other parts.
00:29:59.19\00:30:01.23
And so let me give you
an example is limbic system.
00:30:01.26\00:30:04.13
Marijuana shuts
down the frontal lobe,
00:30:04.17\00:30:07.34
takes it out of business.
00:30:07.37\00:30:09.10
So you're just dealing
with emotions and memory.
00:30:09.14\00:30:11.57
That's gonna be
relationship harming.
00:30:11.61\00:30:13.98
You give a teenage
boy a go-pro camera,
00:30:14.01\00:30:16.64
and he's gonna jump off cliffs,
he's gonna be on adrenaline.
00:30:16.68\00:30:20.48
And what that does, it
shuts down the memory system
00:30:20.52\00:30:22.65
and the frontal lobe,
00:30:22.68\00:30:24.02
and the kid does really
destructive dangerous things
00:30:24.05\00:30:25.69
or in that fight mode.
00:30:25.72\00:30:27.76
Or this is what I find is,
00:30:27.79\00:30:29.86
a lot of people just be
front lobe, thinking only.
00:30:29.89\00:30:34.83
And you see this
even at church settings
00:30:34.86\00:30:36.50
where someone can be
right but can be so destructive.
00:30:36.53\00:30:39.50
And Satan is happy
00:30:39.53\00:30:40.87
whenever he shuts
down the other parts.
00:30:40.90\00:30:43.94
And so we're all
thinking over all emotions,
00:30:43.97\00:30:45.97
over all action but
not combining these.
00:30:46.01\00:30:49.31
And so from
marijuana to video games,
00:30:49.34\00:30:51.41
video games is a world
00:30:51.45\00:30:52.78
in which it feels like
the brain is integrated,
00:30:52.81\00:30:55.22
but it's a conforming pattern.
00:30:55.25\00:30:57.25
And by conforming pattern,
00:30:57.29\00:30:58.62
I mean, your
success is based off of,
00:30:58.65\00:31:00.76
if you do what the game
creator wants you to do,
00:31:00.79\00:31:03.29
you'll be successful.
00:31:03.32\00:31:04.79
But it has the sense
that I'm being creative,
00:31:04.83\00:31:06.29
and I'm being...
00:31:06.33\00:31:07.66
It's not, it's conforming.
No, you're being programmed.
00:31:07.70\00:31:09.36
You're being
programmed. Yeah, yeah.
00:31:09.40\00:31:10.73
Pornography is
shutting down the frontal lobe,
00:31:10.77\00:31:13.74
and being in this
limbic system of memories,
00:31:13.77\00:31:16.57
leaving memories of
sexual things in here,
00:31:16.60\00:31:19.37
and running on emotions.
00:31:19.41\00:31:21.11
What's sad to me is that
when you look at young adults
00:31:21.14\00:31:23.68
and the sexual problems
are coming out of marriages,
00:31:23.71\00:31:26.72
people are not full
brained sexuality anymore more
00:31:26.75\00:31:29.95
like God intended.
00:31:29.98\00:31:31.42
We're relying on
memory, not being present.
00:31:31.45\00:31:35.06
To me, that's one
of the saddest things
00:31:35.09\00:31:36.42
is that God gave a beautiful
thing called sexuality,
00:31:36.46\00:31:38.49
and Satan has found a way
00:31:38.53\00:31:40.53
to make it simply a memory
act or simply a physical act.
00:31:40.56\00:31:43.73
Not something
beautiful that God wants.
00:31:43.77\00:31:45.10
Yeah.
00:31:45.13\00:31:46.47
And so this partial
brained attack, to me,
00:31:46.50\00:31:49.80
is one of the
things that as a church,
00:31:49.84\00:31:53.68
we have to say that
that's not God's plan.
00:31:53.71\00:31:56.11
God gave us complete
brains, integrated brains,
00:31:56.14\00:31:59.41
and how do we
get back to the point
00:31:59.45\00:32:00.98
of helping kids, and
adults, and the parents,
00:32:01.02\00:32:03.45
you know, all of us as a
church get back to the part
00:32:03.49\00:32:05.95
that we're
using our whole brain,
00:32:05.99\00:32:07.32
and not letting Satan divide us.
00:32:07.36\00:32:08.69
Yeah.
00:32:08.72\00:32:10.06
You know what hurts me,
Chuck, is that if you have,
00:32:10.09\00:32:12.39
going back to your model,
00:32:12.43\00:32:14.83
develop a sexuality that
has been fostered, and trained,
00:32:14.86\00:32:18.60
and nurtured through
magazines and videos,
00:32:18.63\00:32:22.97
there is no human being
that can live up to that.
00:32:23.00\00:32:25.87
So any
relationship that you negotiate
00:32:25.91\00:32:30.28
with a real life human
being is gonna fall short,
00:32:30.31\00:32:33.18
because they can't
live up to that fantasy.
00:32:33.21\00:32:35.18
And I think the
other danger of that is
00:32:35.22\00:32:36.82
that what
people end up doing is,
00:32:36.85\00:32:39.95
maybe it's a made up word,
but pornifying that moment.
00:32:39.99\00:32:42.72
Instead of what they're doing
is taking those sexual memories
00:32:42.76\00:32:47.03
and bringing
them into the present.
00:32:47.06\00:32:48.43
Yes, yes.
00:32:48.46\00:32:49.80
And objectifying is something
that we have a problem with.
00:32:49.83\00:32:52.17
Oh, yes.
00:32:52.20\00:32:53.54
When you treat
someone else as an object.
00:32:53.57\00:32:55.30
What's even worse
is when you treat them
00:32:55.34\00:32:57.01
as a pornifying object.
00:32:57.04\00:32:58.37
You're treating
them as this object
00:32:58.41\00:33:00.68
to give me release or
to give me sexual pleasure.
00:33:00.71\00:33:04.51
And to me, that's one
of the saddest things.
00:33:04.55\00:33:06.41
So it's not a shared experience
kind of what I can get,
00:33:06.45\00:33:07.85
kind of thing.
00:33:07.88\00:33:09.22
Correct. Yeah, yeah.
00:33:09.25\00:33:10.59
And of course
that can weave its way
00:33:10.62\00:33:12.19
into every aspect of your life.
00:33:12.22\00:33:14.02
That is, "What
you can do for me,
00:33:14.06\00:33:16.12
not what I can share
or give back to you."
00:33:16.16\00:33:18.39
And that can be
work relationships,
00:33:18.43\00:33:20.56
sexual relationships,
family relationships,
00:33:20.60\00:33:22.90
you know, all those kinds of
things kind of run into that.
00:33:22.93\00:33:25.23
So you're seeing that
developing in young people
00:33:25.27\00:33:28.60
13, 14, 15, that kind of thing?
00:33:28.64\00:33:29.97
Oh, exactly.
00:33:30.01\00:33:31.34
And I think
that's where you look
00:33:31.37\00:33:32.71
at what's available online,
00:33:32.74\00:33:34.98
when they go on their computers,
00:33:35.01\00:33:36.38
the types of information,
00:33:36.41\00:33:37.75
and when you
look at George Barna,
00:33:37.78\00:33:39.61
the organization did a study
called The Porn Phenomenon.
00:33:39.65\00:33:43.89
And in there, they
were comparing church kids,
00:33:43.92\00:33:47.26
un-churched young
adults, well, un-churched kids,
00:33:47.29\00:33:49.72
church young
adults, and then pastors,
00:33:49.76\00:33:51.43
and senior pastors.
00:33:51.46\00:33:52.79
From a church kids,
00:33:52.83\00:33:54.16
you're looking
at 13% of the girls
00:33:54.20\00:33:57.40
are using pornography at
least on a monthly basis,
00:33:57.43\00:34:00.80
26% of the boys,
00:34:00.84\00:34:02.24
and so that's
within that small group,
00:34:02.27\00:34:04.34
when you widen it,
00:34:04.37\00:34:05.71
you're looking at
almost 50 some percent.
00:34:05.74\00:34:08.64
Maybe at times,
00:34:08.68\00:34:10.01
almost a third of youth pastors.
00:34:10.05\00:34:11.85
And so the
statistics are staggering,
00:34:11.88\00:34:13.58
and here is the
sad thing that, for me,
00:34:13.62\00:34:16.08
is that what we're doing
right now to combat pornography
00:34:16.12\00:34:18.92
which is increasing the
fear, increasing the isolation,
00:34:18.95\00:34:22.12
increasing the
shame isn't working.
00:34:22.16\00:34:25.39
You know, and so for parents
out there that believe that
00:34:25.43\00:34:27.40
if they can just
shelter their kids
00:34:27.43\00:34:28.76
or if they can get
the right computer device,
00:34:28.80\00:34:31.07
all that's not working.
00:34:31.10\00:34:33.67
God is calling us to not
simply try to avoid the stuff,
00:34:33.70\00:34:37.87
but He's calling us to a time
00:34:37.91\00:34:39.24
of our brains
need to be rewired.
00:34:39.27\00:34:41.91
We need to expose ourselves
to new types of information.
00:34:41.94\00:34:44.75
We need to be in connection
00:34:44.78\00:34:46.31
in a way like
we've never been before.
00:34:46.35\00:34:48.08
This generation of kids
needs adults more than ever.
00:34:48.12\00:34:52.19
And at the same time,
they are harder to connect
00:34:52.22\00:34:55.02
with than any generation before.
00:34:55.06\00:34:56.79
And there lies the
rub, if I can get that term,
00:34:56.83\00:34:59.63
the fact that they
need them so badly,
00:34:59.66\00:35:01.56
but don't see the necessity
of having them in your life
00:35:01.60\00:35:04.27
because they are picking up
their cues from other places.
00:35:04.30\00:35:07.37
And certainly the
internet is so pervasive.
00:35:07.40\00:35:09.70
Would you agree?
00:35:09.74\00:35:11.07
I suspect, Chuck, that one
of the most negative things
00:35:11.11\00:35:13.94
a person can do is
give any teenager unfedded,
00:35:13.98\00:35:17.38
unsupervised access to internet?
00:35:17.41\00:35:19.61
Yeah, I agree with that.
00:35:19.65\00:35:20.98
I think the
challenge that I see is
00:35:21.02\00:35:24.55
that the internet has
this feeling of secrecy
00:35:24.59\00:35:29.69
that people can do
anything in secret,
00:35:29.72\00:35:31.79
and no one's ever gonna know.
00:35:31.83\00:35:33.26
I believe that
that accountability
00:35:33.29\00:35:35.66
is probably the biggest tool
00:35:35.70\00:35:37.63
that's lacking
from internet use.
00:35:37.67\00:35:39.07
Well said.
00:35:39.10\00:35:40.44
And so when you look
at different programs,
00:35:40.47\00:35:42.14
a lot of parents
are looking at filters,
00:35:42.17\00:35:43.57
how can I block
my kid from typing
00:35:43.61\00:35:45.34
and getting a webpage result.
00:35:45.37\00:35:47.51
What I am seeking
is, how do I build it
00:35:47.54\00:35:50.15
so that there is no
expectation of privacy online,
00:35:50.18\00:35:52.98
so that if I'm...
00:35:53.01\00:35:54.35
And as a boss,
00:35:54.38\00:35:55.78
whatever I use at my
computer, there is full access.
00:35:55.82\00:35:58.22
My wife has full access to
what I have on the computer.
00:35:58.25\00:36:01.12
There is no hiding online.
00:36:01.16\00:36:03.53
And I think that's probably
the bigger ideas is maybe,
00:36:03.56\00:36:06.49
yeah, we need
to prevent our kids
00:36:06.53\00:36:07.86
from having unfettered
access but at the same time,
00:36:07.90\00:36:09.80
we need to build that idea
00:36:09.83\00:36:11.17
that this is not a secret place.
00:36:11.20\00:36:13.34
You know, this is a
place that is in relationship.
00:36:13.37\00:36:15.70
When you're online, I
know what you're doing,
00:36:15.74\00:36:17.37
and I care what you're doing.
00:36:17.41\00:36:18.74
Yes, yes. I'm watching.
00:36:18.77\00:36:20.48
Going back to
how Patch addresses
00:36:20.51\00:36:22.11
and readdresses
some of these stuff,
00:36:22.14\00:36:25.01
the young people that you
see, are they willing to come,
00:36:25.05\00:36:28.32
are you willing to help people
00:36:28.35\00:36:29.82
who are hostile to
what you're trying to do?
00:36:29.85\00:36:31.72
Walk me through the
kinds of young people
00:36:31.75\00:36:33.15
that you see
coming to your door?
00:36:33.19\00:36:34.52
Well, that's great
that you asked that,
00:36:34.56\00:36:35.89
because most of the
kids are pretty happy
00:36:35.92\00:36:37.26
with where they are at
and their parents aren't.
00:36:37.29\00:36:40.13
And so they feel like they
are coping with their lifestyle
00:36:40.16\00:36:43.13
that their video
game is totally fine.
00:36:43.16\00:36:46.20
Their video game use is fine.
00:36:46.23\00:36:47.57
They don't worry that
their school performance
00:36:47.60\00:36:49.47
is causing a problem.
00:36:49.50\00:36:50.97
There's twinges that
the kids feel of remorse
00:36:51.01\00:36:54.04
but at the same time,
00:36:54.08\00:36:55.41
big picture is majority of kids
aren't at that point of saying,
00:36:55.44\00:36:57.81
"I need to make a change."
00:36:57.85\00:36:59.51
And so our challenge is
a little harder that way.
00:36:59.55\00:37:01.18
Yeah, yeah.
00:37:01.22\00:37:02.55
But the good news is
that as we present material,
00:37:02.58\00:37:05.75
here is one of the things
00:37:05.79\00:37:07.12
that I love about
this generation of kids
00:37:07.16\00:37:08.49
is that their sense
of justice is stronger
00:37:08.52\00:37:11.29
than probably anything
you and I have ever had.
00:37:11.33\00:37:13.90
You know, so when they see
injustices, social injustices,
00:37:13.93\00:37:18.27
people being separated
00:37:18.30\00:37:19.83
based on gender and color and...
00:37:19.87\00:37:22.70
They chafe with that.
Yeah. They chafe with that.
00:37:22.74\00:37:25.47
We've been taught
for years and years
00:37:25.51\00:37:27.34
that you don't do pornography
because of, it's bad.
00:37:27.38\00:37:30.55
Well, the
connection that we can make now
00:37:30.58\00:37:33.01
with the young adults is
that this type of entertainment,
00:37:33.05\00:37:38.05
and I'm putting quotes,
00:37:38.09\00:37:39.42
"I don't believe
it's entertainment,"
00:37:39.45\00:37:40.79
but depends on
people's innocence being broken.
00:37:40.82\00:37:44.19
This would not
exist without innocence
00:37:44.23\00:37:46.23
being destroyed,
cultivated by someone else.
00:37:46.26\00:37:49.03
Yes. And kids respond to that.
00:37:49.06\00:37:51.30
Kids can respond to the fact
that that how can I use this
00:37:51.33\00:37:54.70
if my sense of
justice is strong.
00:37:54.74\00:37:57.31
And so we get out of it
00:37:57.34\00:37:58.94
a little bit different that way.
00:37:58.97\00:38:00.41
Yeah, that's a
whole new paradigm
00:38:00.44\00:38:01.78
kind of shift from what we...
00:38:01.81\00:38:03.38
Before, it was blame and shame.
00:38:03.41\00:38:04.98
And that's all you
had, really blame and shame.
00:38:05.01\00:38:07.12
But you're coming from
a whole different place.
00:38:07.15\00:38:08.55
We're getting to the point of
00:38:08.58\00:38:09.92
what's their
motivation not to use it.
00:38:09.95\00:38:11.49
Yeah.
00:38:11.52\00:38:12.85
And when you look at
even from a scriptural side
00:38:12.89\00:38:15.02
is that the fruits of this,
00:38:15.06\00:38:17.03
the fruits of using pornography,
00:38:17.06\00:38:18.39
the fruits of masturbation,
00:38:18.43\00:38:19.76
the fruits of video
game addiction is isolation,
00:38:19.79\00:38:23.33
it's disconnecting from futures,
00:38:23.37\00:38:25.63
it's at that point of harm.
00:38:25.67\00:38:28.10
But the fruit of
spiritual renewal,
00:38:28.14\00:38:30.77
the fruit of getting connected,
00:38:30.81\00:38:32.51
the fruit of being able to
look at a woman eye to eye,
00:38:32.54\00:38:35.64
not to pornify her,
or not to objectify her,
00:38:35.68\00:38:38.08
the fruit of that is life.
00:38:38.11\00:38:40.05
You know, and so with kids, yes,
00:38:40.08\00:38:42.85
there is that point
00:38:42.88\00:38:44.22
that we look at some
of the dangers of it.
00:38:44.25\00:38:47.22
But so much more
is what's possible
00:38:47.26\00:38:49.42
if this wasn't in your life.
00:38:49.46\00:38:51.96
You know, and that's
a harder lesson to teach
00:38:51.99\00:38:53.66
but that's
where we've discovered
00:38:53.70\00:38:55.66
that good things come from.
00:38:55.70\00:38:57.03
Now by default, Chuck, we spend
a lot of time on pornography.
00:38:57.07\00:39:00.07
It occurs to me that must
be, I won't say the lines here,
00:39:00.10\00:39:03.71
but certainly a good
part of what you're seeing
00:39:03.74\00:39:06.27
and what you're getting
as far as the young people
00:39:06.31\00:39:08.18
that are coming through Patch,
00:39:08.21\00:39:10.68
that must be a big part of
what you've been dealing on.
00:39:10.71\00:39:12.11
We're seeing pornography
for both boys and girls.
00:39:12.15\00:39:14.68
We're seeing
video game addiction
00:39:14.72\00:39:16.32
in a life
interfering, school interfering,
00:39:16.35\00:39:18.92
feature interfering values.
00:39:18.95\00:39:20.56
So those two
things are really high.
00:39:20.59\00:39:22.39
We are still seeing social media
00:39:22.42\00:39:23.79
and just that comparison culture
00:39:23.83\00:39:25.16
that feeling inadequate,
00:39:25.19\00:39:26.73
and so I'd say those
three are working together
00:39:26.76\00:39:29.13
but pornography
especially with kids
00:39:29.16\00:39:32.43
that are perfectionist
like people pleasing,
00:39:32.47\00:39:35.54
those are running deep.
00:39:35.57\00:39:37.64
And we are seeing in a sense
00:39:37.67\00:39:39.77
that a lot of families
aren't talking about it
00:39:39.81\00:39:43.21
like they
should, and that could be
00:39:43.24\00:39:44.85
because even the
parents are still struggling
00:39:44.88\00:39:46.51
with some of those
internet use type things.
00:39:46.55\00:39:48.62
Yeah. Yeah, type things.
00:39:48.65\00:39:50.79
When you talk about
high video game consumption,
00:39:50.82\00:39:53.39
you're talking
about the consuming
00:39:53.42\00:39:56.42
of a lot of violence.
00:39:56.46\00:39:57.79
I mean, there's a lot
of hitting, and killing,
00:39:57.83\00:39:59.16
and shooting, and
that kind of thing.
00:39:59.19\00:40:01.16
I suspect that would
numb a child's brain,
00:40:01.20\00:40:04.57
or certainly desensitize them
00:40:04.60\00:40:06.74
to real pain and real suffering.
00:40:06.77\00:40:08.94
Yeah.
00:40:08.97\00:40:10.31
And here is the
funny thing to me...
00:40:10.34\00:40:11.71
Funny is probably the
wrong word but ironic is that,
00:40:11.74\00:40:14.64
I think, it's pretty clear
that if the content is moral,
00:40:14.68\00:40:17.71
that it's gonna have
fruits that are desensitizing,
00:40:17.75\00:40:20.88
causing other problems.
00:40:20.92\00:40:22.25
But we've seen kids addicted
to "innocent video games".
00:40:22.28\00:40:25.89
So there is no
negativity to it by itself.
00:40:25.92\00:40:30.83
But it's still at a point
00:40:30.86\00:40:32.19
that it's
interfering with their life,
00:40:32.23\00:40:33.56
it's getting in
the way of school,
00:40:33.60\00:40:34.93
it's interfering
with the relationships.
00:40:34.96\00:40:36.73
Every time the kid
is asked to turn it off,
00:40:36.77\00:40:38.10
there is a battle
that's surrounding it.
00:40:38.13\00:40:40.00
So I say both
sides of it is that,
00:40:40.04\00:40:42.70
I think there is times
00:40:42.74\00:40:44.07
that something can't
even seem fairly safe,
00:40:44.11\00:40:48.74
and the fruits of
it are really negative.
00:40:48.78\00:40:51.08
And so the skill set
that we are teaching parents,
00:40:51.11\00:40:54.62
yeah, you want to help
on the moral side of it.
00:40:54.65\00:40:57.52
But there is a whole part of it.
00:40:57.55\00:40:59.49
Our dream for parents is that
when our kids leave the home
00:40:59.52\00:41:03.83
that that kid can
own the off switch.
00:41:03.86\00:41:06.80
That is the dream.
00:41:06.83\00:41:08.26
And so, if it's always
the parent turning it off...
00:41:08.30\00:41:11.20
Right, right, right.
00:41:11.23\00:41:12.57
They may not know
where the button is.
00:41:12.60\00:41:14.24
You must got the thing right,
let alone we would operate it.
00:41:14.27\00:41:17.34
So your camp in Washington,
00:41:17.37\00:41:20.21
the one that choose parents
and kids must be of great value
00:41:20.24\00:41:22.88
because it gives the
parents a chance to see
00:41:22.91\00:41:25.01
where the child is at
00:41:25.05\00:41:26.38
and then maybe
develop some skills
00:41:26.41\00:41:27.75
for helping that child.
00:41:27.78\00:41:29.12
Yeah, I think to us,
it's been a great process
00:41:29.15\00:41:31.39
of seeing the parents
work on different things.
00:41:31.42\00:41:33.96
What I'd love
about our family program
00:41:33.99\00:41:36.09
which is that four
day program is that,
00:41:36.12\00:41:38.16
what we're doing
there is giving families
00:41:38.19\00:41:40.10
the ability to communicate,
00:41:40.13\00:41:41.46
understand each
other's personalities.
00:41:41.50\00:41:43.80
And here is the key is
that once they've learnt
00:41:43.83\00:41:45.63
some of these basic skills,
00:41:45.67\00:41:47.00
they learn how to step
into these difficult topics.
00:41:47.04\00:41:50.51
And so once they learn how to,
00:41:50.54\00:41:51.87
instead of avoiding
talking about things
00:41:51.91\00:41:53.27
that are hard that we can
talk about things that are hard.
00:41:53.31\00:41:56.34
And here is the
beauty of that weekend
00:41:56.38\00:41:58.01
is that we finish that weekend
00:41:58.05\00:41:59.65
with this idea of rules tend
to lead us toward disobedience,
00:41:59.68\00:42:04.35
but values lead
us toward safety.
00:42:04.39\00:42:07.02
I like that, yeah. Well said.
00:42:07.06\00:42:08.76
And so by the time a
family leaves our program,
00:42:08.79\00:42:10.86
they've done values.
00:42:10.89\00:42:12.53
They've shared
their values together.
00:42:12.56\00:42:13.93
Each family members
contributed to this document
00:42:13.96\00:42:16.33
that they create that says,
00:42:16.36\00:42:17.70
"As a family, we
value these things."
00:42:17.73\00:42:19.80
They sign it, they bury it
under a rock as a memorial,
00:42:19.83\00:42:23.71
and they take a copy home.
00:42:23.74\00:42:25.71
And so that process that
we're trying to walk through,
00:42:25.74\00:42:27.94
we don't solve their
problems in a weekend like that.
00:42:27.98\00:42:29.84
A family that comes
with pornography struggles
00:42:29.88\00:42:31.91
or video game struggles,
they are gonna have those,
00:42:31.95\00:42:34.82
but they are gonna
have a set of tools
00:42:34.85\00:42:37.79
to be able to face that.
00:42:37.82\00:42:39.65
And to me, that's a lot
of what we need to do is,
00:42:39.69\00:42:43.02
instead of
making people fearful,
00:42:43.06\00:42:44.59
we need to equip them
to be the kind of parents
00:42:44.63\00:42:47.30
that can help their kids thrive.
00:42:47.33\00:42:48.66
Good deal.
00:42:48.70\00:42:50.03
We touched on the
fact that young people tend
00:42:50.07\00:42:52.80
to adjust to their own
life and their own lifestyle,
00:42:52.83\00:42:55.00
so they don't necessarily
see anything wrong about
00:42:55.04\00:42:57.37
what they're doing
'cause they're coping.
00:42:57.41\00:43:00.18
Will you take a young
person who is just recalcitrant,
00:43:00.21\00:43:04.51
and doesn't
really want to be there,
00:43:04.55\00:43:07.18
and try to change that mindset
00:43:07.22\00:43:09.85
or is there a
point where you cut off,
00:43:09.88\00:43:11.22
where you just can't do it?
00:43:11.25\00:43:12.59
Now all the time,
that's our heart of our program
00:43:12.62\00:43:14.72
is taking kids that,
they don't want to be there,
00:43:14.76\00:43:18.16
their parents are
placing them there.
00:43:18.19\00:43:21.16
And we really try to build
the relationships with them.
00:43:21.20\00:43:23.83
We are not using fences,
we are not using intimidation.
00:43:23.87\00:43:25.93
Our goal is to connect
with the kids in such a way
00:43:25.97\00:43:28.67
that they start moving forward.
00:43:28.70\00:43:30.51
One of the
healthy things that we do
00:43:30.54\00:43:31.87
is that in our
environment of youth program,
00:43:31.91\00:43:34.01
the boys are with the boys,
the girls are with the girls.
00:43:34.04\00:43:36.11
They are not connecting,
they are not talking.
00:43:36.14\00:43:39.05
We also don't have technology,
00:43:39.08\00:43:40.88
and so they are
able to get to the point
00:43:40.92\00:43:42.58
that they're having to
face some of the things
00:43:42.62\00:43:44.45
that they need to face.
00:43:44.49\00:43:45.99
And they're also
in deep relationship
00:43:46.02\00:43:47.59
with positive role
models in our dorms.
00:43:47.62\00:43:50.13
And so what we found is that
00:43:50.16\00:43:51.49
having that
environment really plays off.
00:43:51.53\00:43:54.26
Here is the other
thing is that we had a boy
00:43:54.30\00:43:55.63
that was used to refusing.
00:43:55.66\00:43:57.80
You know, he's
the kind of kid that,
00:43:57.83\00:43:59.37
"You're gonna make me?"
00:43:59.40\00:44:02.17
And we don't need
that, "You're gonna make me",
00:44:02.20\00:44:04.44
we don't meet it with
force, we meet it with patience.
00:44:04.47\00:44:07.81
And so this boy
was in refusal mode.
00:44:07.84\00:44:10.95
And we're like, okay.
00:44:10.98\00:44:12.78
We take away the
audience of the other kids,
00:44:12.81\00:44:14.42
so there is not a big audience.
00:44:14.45\00:44:15.78
He's not performing
in front of his friends
00:44:15.82\00:44:18.42
or being this big guy.
00:44:18.45\00:44:19.89
But then we just waited him out,
00:44:19.92\00:44:21.82
and it was fortunately a
beautiful sunny afternoon,
00:44:21.86\00:44:25.59
and it started about 2 o'clock.
00:44:25.63\00:44:27.13
And so their staff are going
in shifts of two, you know,
00:44:27.16\00:44:30.27
just sitting
waiting for him to get into,
00:44:30.30\00:44:32.57
all you had to do was
perform a simple task,
00:44:32.60\00:44:34.64
a little cleaning task.
00:44:34.67\00:44:36.64
And he wasn't gonna do it.
00:44:36.67\00:44:38.74
That started at two,
00:44:38.77\00:44:40.11
I was supposed to come on
at about 10 o'clock that night.
00:44:40.14\00:44:42.18
So you really
gonna wake him out.
00:44:42.21\00:44:43.91
And I came at
9:45 and at that point,
00:44:43.95\00:44:46.51
he had started
working. He finished his work.
00:44:46.55\00:44:49.28
He got a supper, he went to bed,
00:44:49.32\00:44:51.09
and he learnt
that we're serious,
00:44:51.12\00:44:56.02
and we care about him,
00:44:56.06\00:44:57.56
and we're not going to force him
00:44:57.59\00:44:59.93
to do these things.
00:44:59.96\00:45:01.50
But you know the power of it
is he comes to his right mind.
00:45:01.53\00:45:04.80
You know, we had
talked about this earlier.
00:45:04.83\00:45:06.94
This teen is in all
emotions, they flip their lid.
00:45:06.97\00:45:09.74
Sometimes it's gonna take four,
five hours of sitting with them
00:45:09.77\00:45:12.57
before I get to the point
00:45:12.61\00:45:13.94
that they're back
in their right mind.
00:45:13.98\00:45:17.15
And we're willing to do that.
00:45:17.18\00:45:18.65
And overtime we help
kids get to the point
00:45:18.68\00:45:20.82
that they don't
require another adult
00:45:20.85\00:45:22.52
to help them down from
that which is a great gift.
00:45:22.55\00:45:25.72
Yeah, I think the
aspect that you just showed me,
00:45:25.75\00:45:27.66
this idea of integrating
00:45:27.69\00:45:29.19
the three parts
of brain function,
00:45:29.22\00:45:32.16
it's so very, very important.
00:45:32.19\00:45:33.53
Now you said
that we divorce them
00:45:33.56\00:45:35.80
from technology.
00:45:35.83\00:45:37.17
I need to know how Byzantine
we're getting with this.
00:45:37.20\00:45:39.03
No TV, no radio, no, nothing.
00:45:39.07\00:45:41.14
We have
computers in the classroom
00:45:41.17\00:45:43.10
for doing math
and English homework,
00:45:43.14\00:45:44.71
and so they're using that
00:45:44.74\00:45:46.07
but they are not
browsing the web.
00:45:46.11\00:45:47.44
Okay.
00:45:47.48\00:45:48.81
We do have some
music that we play over,
00:45:48.84\00:45:51.38
you know, like, not like...
00:45:51.41\00:45:53.05
I mean, there's music
that we play in our campus,
00:45:53.08\00:45:54.68
so we are exposed to
that, I guess it's electronic.
00:45:54.72\00:45:57.19
And occasionally,
we'll watch a small movie
00:45:57.22\00:45:58.82
or something like that.
00:45:58.85\00:46:00.19
But it's no, it's
not that environment
00:46:00.22\00:46:01.92
where they've got a
device and they're connected.
00:46:01.96\00:46:05.99
And I think that's the
positive for these kids
00:46:06.03\00:46:07.70
is that a lot of
times, they don't realize
00:46:07.73\00:46:09.36
just how tied
they are to that device
00:46:09.40\00:46:11.97
until it's gone.
00:46:12.00\00:46:13.34
Till it's taken
away. Till it's taken away.
00:46:13.37\00:46:14.70
And then they
discover that, "Wow!"
00:46:14.74\00:46:16.71
What we get from kids
00:46:16.74\00:46:18.07
as they come back
from home leaves is that,
00:46:18.11\00:46:19.91
"It was really hard for
me to be with my friends
00:46:19.94\00:46:21.61
because they wouldn't
make eye contact with me.
00:46:21.64\00:46:23.85
They didn't listen to
me, they were distracted."
00:46:23.88\00:46:25.98
And so a lot of times,
00:46:26.01\00:46:27.52
learning that there is a
life beyond these technologies
00:46:27.55\00:46:30.82
that they are
woken to the fracturing
00:46:30.85\00:46:33.86
that that's doing
in the relationships.
00:46:33.89\00:46:35.22
Sure, sure.
00:46:35.26\00:46:36.59
So the way they interfaces
the world changes also.
00:46:36.62\00:46:37.96
I know we take
kids on Maranatha trips.
00:46:37.99\00:46:39.59
We tell them, "Anything
with an eye, you leave home,"
00:46:39.63\00:46:41.96
you know, "because we
want you to meet the culture,
00:46:42.00\00:46:44.00
and interface with the culture,
and you can't do that with,
00:46:44.03\00:46:47.40
you know, your
earphones in your ears,
00:46:47.44\00:46:49.50
and you're just kind of
bopping along to your own world.
00:46:49.54\00:46:51.64
So put that down and kind
of interface with the world."
00:46:51.67\00:46:54.28
What kind of food
00:46:54.31\00:46:56.68
are you giving
these young people?
00:46:56.71\00:46:58.05
Because a lot of times,
people are jacked upon...
00:46:58.08\00:46:59.78
Sowed is another kind of things,
00:46:59.81\00:47:01.15
so what do you feed them?
00:47:01.18\00:47:02.52
So we give a vegetarian diet.
00:47:02.55\00:47:03.89
It's a predictable
diet, three meals a day.
00:47:03.92\00:47:06.39
There's some snacks,
00:47:06.42\00:47:07.76
because our boys
work pretty hard,
00:47:07.79\00:47:09.12
our girls work pretty hard.
00:47:09.16\00:47:10.49
So occasionally, there
is gonna be some snacks
00:47:10.53\00:47:11.86
but it's a healthy,
not the sugary drinks.
00:47:11.89\00:47:13.60
It's a pretty basic diet.
00:47:13.63\00:47:16.06
And what we
found is the food diet
00:47:16.10\00:47:19.50
as well as the sleep diet...
00:47:19.53\00:47:20.87
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:20.90\00:47:22.24
You know, getting the
chance that that bedtimes
00:47:22.27\00:47:23.61
get a little more regulated,
00:47:23.64\00:47:25.01
the work diet in which they are
actually moving their bodies,
00:47:25.04\00:47:27.64
getting some work done.
00:47:27.68\00:47:29.01
Now, Chuck, what kind
of work are they doing?
00:47:29.04\00:47:30.38
So we have a big campus,
00:47:30.41\00:47:31.75
so some of it is
just the maintenance
00:47:31.78\00:47:33.45
of the property, so lawn mowing,
00:47:33.48\00:47:35.52
weeding, chopping wood.
00:47:35.55\00:47:37.59
Dorm tasks, helping
with the food preparation,
00:47:37.62\00:47:40.36
cleaning, that sort of stuff.
00:47:40.39\00:47:41.72
Just basic, what
you do in your family.
00:47:41.76\00:47:44.96
Now, let's go
with this real quick,
00:47:44.99\00:47:46.33
because I'm looking, my
time is gonna get away from me.
00:47:46.36\00:47:47.96
You got some
national recognition.
00:47:48.00\00:47:49.50
You're called to be
on the Dr. Phil's show.
00:47:49.53\00:47:51.43
Walk us through that experience?
00:47:51.47\00:47:53.67
Yeah, we've been
praying for this girl
00:47:53.70\00:47:55.17
to come to our
program because of divorce
00:47:55.20\00:47:58.01
and because of different
parent type consent rules.
00:47:58.04\00:48:00.88
There is a dad that wanted
a place and a mom that didn't,
00:48:00.91\00:48:03.71
and finally she
said I won't place
00:48:03.75\00:48:06.05
until Dr. Phil says I should.
00:48:06.08\00:48:08.18
And so there are
some phone calls made.
00:48:08.22\00:48:09.95
I got a call on
a Thursday saying,
00:48:09.98\00:48:11.85
"Will you come
to Dr. Phil's show
00:48:11.89\00:48:13.22
because there is this girl
that we want to interview?"
00:48:13.25\00:48:15.52
And so I traveled
out on the next...
00:48:15.56\00:48:17.59
Was there for the
filming on Tuesday.
00:48:17.63\00:48:20.10
She came into our
program, spent a year with us.
00:48:20.13\00:48:23.26
And what I'd love about that
00:48:23.30\00:48:25.00
is that our
prayers were answered
00:48:25.03\00:48:26.43
in a really strange way.
00:48:26.47\00:48:29.30
A terrifying way, but really
a way that we can only say,
00:48:29.34\00:48:32.34
God is moving in the
lives of kids and families.
00:48:32.37\00:48:35.24
So you had to kind
of defend your program
00:48:35.28\00:48:37.45
or forth leave
some kind of apologetic
00:48:37.48\00:48:38.95
for what you're doing?
00:48:38.98\00:48:40.32
Obviously, he bought that.
00:48:40.35\00:48:41.68
You know, it was so easy for us
00:48:41.72\00:48:43.05
is because Dr. Phil
gave us an endorsement
00:48:43.08\00:48:45.72
saying this would be the
right thing for the girl.
00:48:45.75\00:48:47.92
And so we got to
ride on a white horse
00:48:47.96\00:48:51.13
which is kind of a nice thing
to do on national television.
00:48:51.16\00:48:54.53
And to me, that
was a neat moment
00:48:54.56\00:48:56.67
because it was
God's orchestrated moment.
00:48:56.70\00:48:59.90
Let's talk very quickly
about the religious component.
00:48:59.93\00:49:02.27
Obviously the
technical stuff you have,
00:49:02.30\00:49:04.71
you know, you've
got the accredition,
00:49:04.74\00:49:06.44
you've got that.
00:49:06.47\00:49:07.81
What about the
religious component?
00:49:07.84\00:49:09.81
So without God,
00:49:09.84\00:49:11.75
it won't make
sense for us to work.
00:49:11.78\00:49:14.02
So we have a full-time chaplain
00:49:14.05\00:49:15.38
that's doing
the weekend services
00:49:15.42\00:49:17.15
as well as dorm
worships and the Bible classes.
00:49:17.19\00:49:21.66
All our staff are connecting
spiritually with the kids,
00:49:21.69\00:49:25.89
and we've got kids that come
from all sorts of backgrounds,
00:49:25.93\00:49:28.13
Seventh-day Adventist
backgrounds, non-churched,
00:49:28.16\00:49:30.80
all sorts of
different backgrounds
00:49:30.83\00:49:32.17
but our goal for these kids
is that they get to the point
00:49:32.20\00:49:34.40
that they start understanding
that God loves them deeply,
00:49:34.44\00:49:37.61
that He created
them with a purpose,
00:49:37.64\00:49:39.61
and He's willing to take
00:49:39.64\00:49:40.98
whatever has
happened in their life
00:49:41.01\00:49:42.48
and turn it into something good.
00:49:42.51\00:49:45.08
For us, we're using
scripture that's really basic,
00:49:45.11\00:49:47.55
1 John 4:18.
00:49:47.58\00:49:49.12
"Perfect love
drives out fear." Yes.
00:49:49.15\00:49:51.25
And so instead for them to
be in this case of unfearful,
00:49:51.29\00:49:54.39
how do they start
doing loving things.
00:49:54.42\00:49:56.76
You know, Philippians 4:8,
00:49:56.79\00:49:58.79
that idea of how do we
start thinking about things
00:49:58.83\00:50:01.93
that are pure,
things that are noble,
00:50:01.96\00:50:03.37
things that are worthy?
00:50:03.40\00:50:05.03
How do we get our kids
00:50:05.07\00:50:06.40
when you look at
even like Ecclesiastes
00:50:06.43\00:50:08.34
or that idea of
that undivided heart,
00:50:08.37\00:50:12.24
how do we get to the
part that God starts giving us
00:50:12.27\00:50:15.58
a heart of flesh
instead of a heart of stone?
00:50:15.61\00:50:18.01
If we explore ideas of John 15,
how do we remain with Christ,
00:50:18.05\00:50:22.48
and Him in us, how do we get
to that point of bearing fruit?
00:50:22.52\00:50:24.79
So for us, it's a basic
message that we teach the kids.
00:50:24.82\00:50:28.96
But God does such,
such good work with them.
00:50:28.99\00:50:32.06
So it's a joy to
watch those eyes get opened.
00:50:32.09\00:50:35.66
And not every kid
that comes to our program
00:50:35.70\00:50:37.23
goes through a transformation.
00:50:37.27\00:50:39.67
We've seen kids
leave our program,
00:50:39.70\00:50:41.24
angry, still sullen.
00:50:41.27\00:50:42.94
And years later,
make that change,
00:50:42.97\00:50:46.27
accept that change.
00:50:46.31\00:50:47.78
But, yeah, for us,
we're swinging for the fence
00:50:47.81\00:50:49.94
with every single
kid but, you know,
00:50:49.98\00:50:52.91
that transformation without God,
00:50:52.95\00:50:54.28
nothing is possible.
00:50:54.32\00:50:55.65
Yeah, before we go to our
contact information for you,
00:50:55.68\00:50:59.65
I wanted to ask, because at 33,
00:50:59.69\00:51:02.36
you're moving now into
your second generation.
00:51:02.39\00:51:04.46
Are people
coming back and saying,
00:51:04.49\00:51:05.86
are you getting any
kind of anecdotal stuff.
00:51:05.89\00:51:08.03
Peopling
calling back and saying,
00:51:08.06\00:51:09.40
"You really made
a change in my life
00:51:09.43\00:51:10.97
and I can see my time with you
00:51:11.00\00:51:12.90
is being very valuable
for the rest of my life."
00:51:12.93\00:51:14.70
You know, we're
seeing a lot of that.
00:51:14.74\00:51:16.07
One of the most rewarding
is we just had a staff member
00:51:16.10\00:51:18.17
named Stephanie who had
gone through our program,
00:51:18.21\00:51:20.94
graduated in 2001, 2002.
00:51:20.98\00:51:24.85
She's a mom, she's a wife,
and now she's working for us.
00:51:24.88\00:51:28.58
She moved back to Garden Valley
00:51:28.62\00:51:30.35
because her dream job
was to help other kids.
00:51:30.39\00:51:31.75
Wow.
00:51:31.79\00:51:33.12
And so that sort
of transformation
00:51:33.15\00:51:34.49
we see on a regular basis.
00:51:34.52\00:51:35.86
We see kids that are successful,
00:51:35.89\00:51:39.29
kids involved at church.
00:51:39.33\00:51:41.36
It's gratifying, I
mean, that part of it
00:51:41.40\00:51:43.26
is just amazing to
see how far kids can go.
00:51:43.30\00:51:45.47
Wow, praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:51:45.50\00:51:47.10
Now where are
you, Chuck, physically?
00:51:47.14\00:51:49.17
Are you in the
Washington campus?
00:51:49.20\00:51:50.54
Are you in Idaho?
00:51:50.57\00:51:51.91
Back and forth,
where are you? Yeah.
00:51:51.94\00:51:53.27
So, yeah. I get to
be in the boring spot.
00:51:53.31\00:51:54.64
I'm in the administrative office
00:51:54.68\00:51:56.01
in Vancouver, Washington.
00:51:56.04\00:51:57.61
And so I teach
the family experience.
00:51:57.65\00:51:59.21
So whenever we do
the family program,
00:51:59.25\00:52:00.98
I tend to teach those if I can,
00:52:01.02\00:52:02.58
and then I make as many trips
00:52:02.62\00:52:03.95
to the youth branch as possible.
00:52:03.99\00:52:05.32
But I'm stuck in an office,
00:52:05.35\00:52:08.96
and also I spend a
lot of my time traveling
00:52:08.99\00:52:10.96
during seminars,
speaking at camp meetings,
00:52:10.99\00:52:13.16
schools, that sort of thing.
00:52:13.19\00:52:14.53
Now, you do go to churches,
you make presentations,
00:52:14.56\00:52:16.93
and that kind of
things also, do you not?
00:52:16.97\00:52:18.30
Correct, all the time.
00:52:18.33\00:52:19.67
And to me, that's one of
the most encouraging parts
00:52:19.70\00:52:21.30
as executive director.
00:52:21.34\00:52:22.67
Instead of asking for
money, being a blessing,
00:52:22.70\00:52:26.47
increasing the people that
are part of our ministries,
00:52:26.51\00:52:28.84
it's been a great joy of mine.
00:52:28.88\00:52:30.35
So, yeah, all
over the United States,
00:52:30.38\00:52:31.91
just traveling around
and spreading the hope
00:52:31.95\00:52:33.82
that God's active.
00:52:33.85\00:52:35.18
Praise the Lord, yeah.
00:52:35.22\00:52:36.55
Project Patch is becoming
sort of a vanishing breed
00:52:36.58\00:52:38.59
that was Blondel Senior Advent,
that's not there anymore.
00:52:38.62\00:52:42.36
And I think there
are one or two others
00:52:42.39\00:52:43.73
that are not there.
00:52:43.76\00:52:45.09
So there are not many
people doing what you now do.
00:52:45.13\00:52:48.16
Yeah, it's definitely a
difficult place to be in.
00:52:48.20\00:52:51.70
It's a hard place.
We're under attack constantly.
00:52:51.73\00:52:55.10
You know, I
think there is nothing
00:52:55.14\00:52:56.47
that Satan would like more than
to destroy the futures of kids.
00:52:56.50\00:53:00.01
We're working with
kids of incredible promise.
00:53:00.04\00:53:02.68
To me, it's not a surprise
00:53:02.71\00:53:04.05
when I meet
these kids and realize,
00:53:04.08\00:53:06.21
why is it that these
kids are under more attack
00:53:06.25\00:53:07.58
than other kids?
00:53:07.62\00:53:08.95
It's because God's
got a plan for this child,
00:53:08.98\00:53:13.05
and Satan wants
to interfere with it.
00:53:13.09\00:53:15.29
So, yeah, our ministry
is constantly struggling.
00:53:15.32\00:53:17.63
I'll be upfront
about that. It's hard work.
00:53:17.66\00:53:21.06
But once again, it's God's work.
00:53:21.10\00:53:22.43
Yes, yes.
00:53:22.46\00:53:23.80
And a necessary
work, very necessary work.
00:53:23.83\00:53:26.74
We want to put
up the information
00:53:26.77\00:53:28.10
for Project Patch just now.
00:53:28.14\00:53:30.97
As you can see a
wonderful ministry
00:53:31.01\00:53:32.71
fulfilling a
particular niche in the program
00:53:32.74\00:53:35.21
in the work of God,
00:53:35.24\00:53:36.91
they can do for
your young people
00:53:36.95\00:53:39.61
what perhaps you
are scratching your head
00:53:39.65\00:53:41.12
trying to find a way
to try to get through.
00:53:41.15\00:53:44.55
Should you like to
make contact with them
00:53:44.59\00:53:46.32
or support their
ministry with your finances
00:53:46.35\00:53:49.16
or just get a
little more information
00:53:49.19\00:53:50.66
about what they do
00:53:50.69\00:53:52.03
and how you can
interface with them,
00:53:52.06\00:53:53.40
here is the
information that you will need.
00:53:53.43\00:53:57.47
Project Patch is committed
to building thriving families
00:53:57.50\00:54:00.87
and restoring hope to teens
00:54:00.90\00:54:03.44
through the
Project Patch youth ranch
00:54:03.47\00:54:05.77
and their family life
and conference center.
00:54:05.81\00:54:08.81
To find out more
about their programs
00:54:08.84\00:54:10.85
for at risk young
people and their families,
00:54:10.88\00:54:13.98
please visit their
website, ProjectPatch.org.
00:54:14.02\00:54:17.79
That's ProjectPatch.org.
00:54:17.82\00:54:20.96
You may also call
them at (360) 690-8495,
00:54:20.99\00:54:27.83
or write to Project Patch,
00:54:27.86\00:54:29.76
5139 North East, 94th Avenue,
00:54:29.80\00:54:33.50
Suite C in
Vancouver, Washington 98662.
00:54:33.54\00:54:38.67