Participants: CA Murray (Host), David Klinedinst Marquita Klinedinst
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY017066A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:06 Hello, and welcome once again to 3ABN today. 01:09 My name is CA Murray, 01:11 and allow me to thank you 01:12 for sharing just a little of your busy day with us, 01:14 to thank you, as always for your love, your prayers, 01:17 and your support of this ministry, 01:19 for we know that we could not do 01:20 what we are called to do without your partnership, 01:23 so we thank you from the bottom of our heart. 01:25 I'm excited today because of our subject matter 01:28 and my two guests that are here. 01:31 These are really neat people and a good-looking couple too. 01:34 This is David and Marquita Klinedinst. 01:37 Klinedinst, Klinedinst, 01:39 someone, we had a little argument 01:40 in the control room a little while ago. 01:43 I think Klinedinst, I've heard it Kleindienst, 01:45 someone said, no, it's Klinedinst. 01:47 It is as Klinedinst, but nobody else will know. 01:51 Now, I made a big deal out of it, yeah. 01:52 Right. 01:54 But David and Marquita, 01:55 David is the evangelist 01:57 for the Iowa-Missouri Conference, 01:59 I say currently 02:00 because he is on the move in our movement. 02:02 And his wife, his lovely wife Marquita 02:05 is woman's ministry speaker. 02:07 And I've heard her presentation. 02:09 And she does a fine job as anointed by the Lord. 02:11 So, guys, good to have you here. 02:13 Thank you. Amen. 02:14 Thank you. Yeah. 02:15 As I said, good-looking couple husband of one wife, 02:17 wife of one husband, childrens? 02:18 It's good. Yes. 02:20 We're blessed with two beautiful daughters, 02:21 Melanie who's 13, and Emily who is 9. 02:24 All right. 02:25 So pray for us, 'cause we do have a teenager 02:27 in the house now that it's going quite well so far. 02:29 Yeah, your hair is about to get a lot thinner. 02:31 Yeah. 02:33 If they take after their mother, 02:34 you're gonna be with a short gun and a Bible. 02:38 I know about in that order but, 02:40 if you've got two beautiful daughters, 02:42 then you're going to do a lot of praying 02:43 over the next several years. 02:45 Yes. Already have been doing that. 02:46 That's right. Oh, praise the Lord. 02:47 Before we go to our music, 02:49 I want to get just a little history on you both, 02:51 then we'll go to our music, 02:52 and then talk about the ministry 02:53 because you have the Discover Prophecy Seminar, 02:56 which we feature on 3ABN Proclaim, 03:00 not once but at this point twice a day, 03:02 that's how good it is. 03:03 And God has blessed you. 03:05 And as I said to you before, 03:07 God has given you a gift to be able to make things clear. 03:09 And when you're doing prophecy 03:12 and you're trying to leap you to the Lord, 03:14 you don't want to be too fancy, 03:16 you didn't want to be too many bells and whistles, 03:17 you want to put it out there so they can understand it, 03:19 and you do that well. 03:21 God has given you that gift. 03:22 And we thank you for that. 03:23 Born in Pennsylvania? 03:25 Grew up in New York, Pennsylvania, 03:27 it's not far from Lancaster County, 03:29 Amish country. 03:31 Oh, yes, I know it well. I know it very, very well. 03:33 Adventist home, David? 03:34 Yeah, I grew up in an Adventist Christian home, 03:37 where my dad was Adventist for quite some time 03:40 and Christian though he had a rough background as a child, 03:44 but he came to know the Lord as well as my mom 03:46 and just had the privilege of growing up in a home 03:49 where it wasn't perfect but they love Jesus. 03:51 And I had those Christian values instilled 03:54 in my mind from an early age. 03:56 Brothers and sisters? I do, I have a sister. 03:58 Actually, she's 20 years older than me. 03:59 Oh, well. Nothing in-between. 04:02 Yes, David, Lord thought the time 04:03 between the first and second. 04:05 A little bit. And she lives in Maryland. 04:07 So you're the baby of the family. 04:08 I am. Praise the Lord. 04:10 It is one thing, as you well know pastor 04:12 to grow up in an Adventist home 04:15 to be surrounded by the accouterments of Adventism. 04:18 It is another thing to know the Lord for yourself. 04:20 When did that happen for you? 04:22 Wasn't an event or a process of time? 04:23 It was not an event, 04:25 it's like when people share their testimonies, 04:26 I can't pick one moment in time when boom, 04:30 everything just changed. 04:32 I can pick significant, various events in my life 04:36 which has helped me to understand who Jesus is, 04:39 and why we believe what we believe. 04:41 And I came to a point in my teenage years 04:43 where I had to make that decision, 04:45 you know, for myself, 04:46 or am I gonna follow what I have been told to, 04:49 I see that this is from the Bible, 04:50 am I gonna have my own personal relationship with Jesus? 04:53 And it's more of a process from there. 04:55 More of a process. 04:56 Did you have what we call wilderness years 04:59 or did you kind of play it straight with the Lord? 05:01 I had wilderness years in ministry action. 05:05 That's another story. 05:06 I mean, as a teenager, 05:08 I can't say I always took my faith seriously. 05:11 But I was always, you know, physically in the church 05:13 so to speak. 05:14 Praise the Lord. 05:16 And have those seeds always in my heart and mind. 05:17 Yeah, yeah. 05:18 See that parallels me, I came when I was 10, 05:20 only one of my family. 05:22 And there were times, 05:23 when I was not the perfect Adventist 05:25 but the idea of leaving the Lord, 05:26 or leaving church never occurred to me 05:28 that I would ever do that. 05:29 So even during those wilderness times, 05:31 I always kind of said to Lord, 05:32 want to put the pause button on you 05:34 and talk to Marquita for just a little bit. 05:37 Born where, Marquita? I was born in Alabama. 05:40 So yes, the South met the North. 05:42 And we'll probably talk about that in a minute. 05:45 But I'm an Alabama girl. 05:47 I actually grew up in a home 05:49 where especially during my younger years, 05:51 we really didn't go to church a whole lot. 05:53 But yet, I can look back 05:55 and see how God had His hand in my life 05:57 and was trying to reach my heart as a little girl. 06:00 And it was actually when I was about 12 years old, 06:03 actually through Billy Graham crusade 06:04 that I was watching on television. 06:06 That's how I came to know the Lord as my savior. 06:10 The Lord also just led steps for me 06:12 to get involved in a Baptist Church, 06:14 kind of involved in a youth group. 06:15 I'm giving really the short version here. 06:18 But within just a couple of years of that, 06:20 actually Ron Halverson Sr. came to the Birmingham area 06:23 and that's when I heard the Adventist message 06:26 for the first time. 06:28 And my life was turned upside down 06:29 but in a great way. 06:31 And it was just amazing, 06:33 how the Lord through my teenage years, 06:34 just really took me so much deeper 06:37 in my relationship with Jesus. 06:38 Praise the Lord. 06:40 And I've always been thankful for that. 06:41 Now, there is a bit of a learning curve trajectory 06:44 from Baptist to Adventism. 06:46 Yes. Yes. 06:47 When that Adventist thing hit you, 06:49 did it kind of shock you 06:51 or did you kind of settled into that? 06:52 No, it really did shock me and especially, you know, 06:54 regarding the Sabbath message, that was a big change. 06:58 But, you know, the Lord was good in that. 07:01 When I first heard the message, 07:02 it wasn't a question of "Is this the truth?" 07:05 I could see from the Scriptures, 07:06 this is what God says 07:08 and I want to follow what He says. 07:10 But alongside of that, I also realized, 07:12 it meant a lot of changes 07:14 were gonna need to occur in my life, 07:15 and in my family's life. 07:17 Unfortunately, a lot of our extended family 07:19 didn't really understand what we were doing. 07:22 But we've continued to pray through the years 07:24 for the Lord to open doors. 07:25 And I've seen how He's doing that in His time 07:28 and in His way so. 07:29 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 07:30 So your immediate family came into Adventism also. 07:32 Yes. Yes. 07:33 Okay, so you had a support base. Okay. 07:35 So now we've got you through your teenage years, 07:38 you went to college where? 07:40 I actually went to a couple different places. 07:42 I started off in York College, 07:44 which is a kind of a public private college 07:46 in Pennsylvania. 07:48 And it wasn't until my senior year 07:51 that I actually decided to transfer 07:53 to Southern Adventist University, 07:55 which I know was divine 07:56 because that is where I met Marquita, 07:59 third day on campus, 08:01 and kind of the rest is history there. 08:03 Okay. 08:04 Have the ministry thing occurred to you yet, 08:07 you know, have God did not call yet, 08:09 but you just know you need to get 08:10 into an Adventist school. 08:12 No, I had actually... 08:13 I had a relationship that fell apart, you know, 08:15 my dating years and that's when I thought to myself, 08:18 "Well, maybe I should go back to Adventist school." 08:21 I've been there first through eighth grade. 08:23 But from that point on, 08:24 I either went to a Christian high school 08:26 that wasn't Adventist or a public college. 08:29 And so for that final year, I thought, 08:31 I'm gonna go away from home 08:32 'cause I got to get used to moving from home 08:34 anyway if I graduate. 08:35 And maybe it will give me the chance to meet, you know, 08:38 an Adventist young lady. 08:40 And so when I went there, just third day on campus, 08:44 I ran into Marquita during that summer session 08:48 but even at that point, 08:49 ministry had not really crossed the mind yet. 08:54 Marquita, you went to Southern? 08:55 I did. With what intent in mind? 08:57 Well, actually that was a miracle in itself 09:00 because I was said to actually go to Auburn University. 09:03 I was gonna study pre-med and a scholarship to go. 09:07 But when I was in my senior year of high school, 09:09 I was in a public school. 09:11 All of a sudden, one day in biology class, 09:12 they called my name over the intercom and said, 09:15 "Come to the principal's office" 09:16 Well, of course, that's usually not a good thing. 09:18 Right. But I get up there. 09:20 And they said, "Someone's here to visit you." 09:22 And here it was actually a representative 09:24 from Southern College at the time had come down, 09:28 had driven three hours to Birmingham to sit down 09:31 and talk to me about the program at Southern... 09:32 To talk to you specifically? To talk to me specifically. 09:37 And to be honest with you, till this day, 09:38 I still don't know how he got my name 09:41 or how to come find me. 09:42 Wow! 09:43 But I have a feeling there was a couple 09:45 at the Adventist Church that I was going to 09:47 that they had made a call to Southern 09:49 and said, "You need to come and see this young girl." 09:52 So through that, the Lord just redirected my path. 09:55 And I ended up at Southern. 09:56 And I studied the nursing program 09:58 while I was there. 09:59 And of course, you know, we look back now and we see, 10:03 God was intersecting our paths at just the right time. 10:07 So it's wonderful to always look back 10:09 and see how God's been working. 10:11 Can I add the short story as to how we met? 10:13 That's where I was going anyway so it's okay. 10:16 I was there for the summer session, 10:17 which was free for new students. 10:19 But even though I was a senior, I was a new student. 10:21 So it was obvious I wasn't a freshman. 10:23 Right. 10:24 And when I would go to the library 10:26 in the afternoon, 10:27 the summer library manager would come up to me 10:31 and she recognized I was new, she'd keep asking me questions, 10:34 like, "Where are you from? 10:36 What's your major? 10:38 Do you have a girlfriend back home?" 10:40 I'm thinking, "Boy, this woman's kind of nosy." 10:42 Yeah. 10:44 Oh, yeah, this is the South, they're more friendly here. 10:47 And I remember one day, she had told me 10:50 when you go to the cafeteria on Friday, 10:52 my first week here, go to a table by the window 10:56 and sit there by yourself and a nice young lady will come 11:00 and sit down beside you. 11:02 And I'm thinking, "Wow! 11:04 I'm really gonna like this school." 11:07 And I did that on Friday afternoon 11:09 and lo and behold, 11:11 Marquita comes and sits down beside me. 11:14 Because when it happened, I was working in the library 11:16 at the time. 11:17 And I had seen him coming in, 11:19 and I thought he was a handsome young man. 11:21 He had caught my eye. 11:23 But growing up in the south, you grow up, you know, 11:25 with the attitude of the girl 11:27 never really asked the guy out or initiates. 11:30 And so I had confided in my manager 11:33 that I saw this young man that I'd like to get to know. 11:36 And she said, "Don't worry, honey, 11:38 I'll take care of it for you." 11:40 So we have Dorothy to thank for actually getting us together. 11:42 That's right. She took the bull by the horns. 11:44 Indeed. Indeed. 11:45 She did, she took take care of it so. 11:46 So the initial interest actually was yours? 11:48 Yes. 11:49 Yeah, I did, there was just something about him 11:51 I thought was special. 11:52 And I wanted to get to know him and... 11:54 Yeah. 11:55 So that was over 20 years ago now so, yeah. 11:57 All right, praise the Lord. 11:59 Now, you were a freshman though? 12:01 Actually I was in my second year at there. 12:03 So I was technically a senior, 12:05 I was doing the associate's degree of nursing at the time. 12:07 So we were both seniors, 12:08 we were both kind of graduated at the same time. 12:10 I see. I see. Yeah. 12:12 In whose mind did it first occur 12:15 that maybe this could be 12:16 a long term kind of relationship? 12:20 I... 12:22 I think, probably me. You think? 12:23 Yeah. 12:24 I just after we had spent a few dates together, 12:27 I just really sense this was the man 12:29 that God wanted me to marry. 12:31 He just... 12:33 He fit everything. 12:34 He had a, you know, a desire for God, 12:36 a desire to serve Him. 12:37 I could see by the way he lived his life 12:39 and conducted himself 12:41 that he was a man of honor and integrity, 12:43 and that's what I was looking for someone 12:46 to spend my life with. 12:47 Praise the Lord. Well, am I blushing? 12:50 That's pretty good pedigree, I'm impressed. 12:53 Was it the same for you, David? 12:55 After a few days, did you kind of have an inkling? 12:56 Yeah, our first date was actually, 12:59 her just showing me Chattanooga, the mall, 13:02 you know, every place a college student 13:04 needs to know where it is. 13:05 Have to know the malls, yeah. 13:06 The parks in the area, and we probably spent, 13:08 I don't know five, six hours together 13:10 that actual Friday afternoon, 13:12 and I remember, she then looked at me afterwards 13:14 and said, "Would you like to go to vespers with me?" 13:17 I'm thinking, "I just spent six hours with you. 13:19 We feel so comfortable. We shared with each other. 13:21 Here's the young lady that really loves the Lord, 13:23 of course, I'll go to vespers with you." 13:25 And maybe a few weeks or so a few months into it, 13:28 I can remember sitting by the benches 13:31 out near the softball field, 13:33 and I remember telling her, 13:34 I don't remember the exact words. 13:36 But I remember saying Marquita, 13:37 "You know, I think, I'm falling in love with you." 13:40 And so by that point, I sensed, yeah. 13:42 I think I'm blushing now. 13:43 This could be a lifetime thing. 13:46 Praise the Lord. 13:48 So when he said that 13:49 that you were fine with that direction. 13:51 Oh, yes. Definitely. Praise the Lord. 13:52 Definitely. Yeah. Okay. 13:54 Then let's make now a leap 13:56 because obviously the rest is history 13:58 and two children and 20 years later, 13:59 you're doing fine. 14:00 Yes, amen. 14:02 Yeah, and everybody's still blushing, 14:03 so obviously it is still full of excitement. 14:06 When did it occurred to you 14:09 that ministry was in God's plans for you? 14:13 Well, growing up in the York Church 14:16 in Pennsylvania, 14:17 you know, people would sometimes say to me, 14:19 you know, "You ought to be a minister." 14:20 Yeah. 14:22 I guess, partly because sometimes 14:23 I would do things upfront, you know, like, 14:25 the Sabbath School Superintendents remark. 14:27 And I don't like to take it seriously 14:29 but it wasn't until my senior year of college. 14:32 I was a business major. And I wanted to finish that. 14:35 That's when I really started thinking, 14:36 "What am I gonna do with my life?" 14:38 And I decided to take some elective classes in religion. 14:42 And I got to take some of those classes, 14:44 meet some of the theology students. 14:45 And it was probably there 14:47 that fixed it a little bit more in my mind 14:50 that maybe God might call us to ministry. 14:52 But I was still pursuing the business, business degree. 14:57 For you, once... 14:59 Now, did you move into this ministerial track 15:02 before you were married? 15:03 Or you're not married yet at this point of time? 15:05 No, no. Okay, okay. 15:07 Did he ever shared that desire with you at all, Marquita? 15:09 He had shared some thoughts that, 15:12 you know, he wanted to work for the Lord. 15:14 He just wasn't sure what exact path that might be. 15:18 And so I remember, we spent a lot of time 15:21 praying for the Lord to open the right doors 15:24 for that to happen. 15:25 For myself, I was fine with the prospect 15:28 of maybe being a pastor's wife one day. 15:30 But I think, it took him a little bit longer, 15:32 I think, for that to really come to fruition, so to speak. 15:37 Takes me longer to process. 15:38 That's an award, David, she's ahead on you everything. 15:40 Oh, yeah. Takes me longer. 15:42 I do remember about two years after we were married... 15:45 Right. 15:46 We just sensed that God maybe wanted us to do something else. 15:49 And being a business major, 15:51 I was always taught if you want to get a job, 15:52 you send out resumes. 15:53 Sure. 15:55 So I sent resumes out to every conference 15:56 in North America, including the Caribbean, 15:59 I'm just expressing my desire 16:00 to be in what we thought would be pastoral ministry. 16:03 When he does things, he does it thoroughly so. 16:04 I do. 16:06 And, you know, we got the typical responses back, 16:08 thank you for your interest, we'll keep your resume on file. 16:11 Oh, sure. 16:12 But there was one place that left a slightly open door 16:16 and said, "If you're ever in the area, 16:17 stop by and say hello." 16:20 And we followed through on that and we did. 16:23 And that was? 16:24 That was actually Kentucky-Tennessee Conference. 16:27 But now comes the wilderness years. 16:28 Yes. 16:30 They actually called back a few months later 16:32 and said, "We'd be willing to sponsor you to seminary." 16:36 And I was shocked 16:37 because I wasn't expecting that. 16:39 I thought, "Okay, just give me a church 16:40 and I'll learn while I'm doing." 16:42 And that wasn't the option. 16:43 And when the pastor of our home church 16:45 in York at the time, 16:47 his name was John Moyer, he's retired now. 16:50 When he heard about this, he sat us down and said, 16:52 "David, you need to know something. 16:54 I know this conference. 16:56 And they don't normally sponsor people to seminary 16:58 who don't already have 16:59 a theology degree undergraduate. 17:01 This is God's call in your life." 17:03 And he's telling the truth. 17:04 He is. As you by now well know. 17:06 And, you know, we thought about it and prayed about it, 17:08 and then we did accept the call to go to the seminary. 17:12 And we were there about four months. 17:15 The wilderness years are, during that time, 17:18 I let the devil plant seeds in my heart of negativity, 17:22 pessimism and doubt. 17:24 And I began questioning that God really call us to ministry, 17:27 is this really where we're supposed to be? 17:30 And I would come home from class in the afternoon, 17:32 and I would say, "Plant these seeds in her mind. 17:35 I think, we made a mistake, Marquita, 17:37 did God really call us to ministry?" 17:40 And I specifically remember one afternoon, 17:43 I started in all my negativity again. 17:46 And I remember, she couldn't take it anymore. 17:48 She just screamed at me 17:50 and ran and locked herself in the bathroom for two hours 17:52 and wouldn't talk to me. 17:54 So I'm sorry if you thought pastors' wives 17:56 and pastors were perfect. 17:57 Now he said, Marquita, you scream? 17:58 Yeah, I did. 18:00 Because it was hard, you know, for someone who was following 18:03 what she thought was God's call in her husband's life 18:06 and her life, to hear me say that 18:08 and it wasn't long after that 18:09 that I called the Conference president up 18:11 and said, "I'm sorry. 18:12 You made a mistake. 18:14 God did not call us to ministry." 18:16 How did that affect you, Marquita? 18:17 It was very difficult. 18:19 This was within the first two years of our marriage. 18:22 You know, he was already in a good position 18:25 with the work, he was doing at the time, 18:26 I had started my career as a nurse, 18:29 was in a very good position where I was. 18:32 But then as he said, the Lord opened this door, 18:34 sponsorship, I could see, 18:36 "Yes, this is what the Lord wants us to do." 18:38 So I was okay with leaving everything behind, 18:41 going to seminary, I was excited. 18:44 But we got there, found a place to live, 18:46 he started classes and I remember, he's right. 18:48 He would come home and he'd just... 18:50 It would be little things at first, 18:51 just complaining about this, complaining about that. 18:53 And I kept trying to encourage him saying, "Its okay. 18:56 You know, just remember, 18:57 this is what the Lord has called us to do." 18:59 But he just... 19:00 It kept getting worse and worse. 19:01 And you know, after a while, you know, 19:04 I have a pretty good measure of patience, 19:06 but after a while when I saw that it wasn't just complaining 19:10 but I could actually see him going into a depression, 19:14 and it was starting to scare me a little bit 19:16 because we had no reinforcements around us. 19:19 You know, both families are far away, 19:21 didn't know anybody at seminary when we got there. 19:24 So it became a very lonely type feeling. 19:27 And so yes, there came a day when he came home. 19:29 And I finally, I was like, "This is it. 19:31 I can't take this anymore." 19:33 And I think that scared him 19:34 because it was the first I was like, 19:35 "I don't want to hear any more from you about this." 19:38 But as he said, he just decided he couldn't continue. 19:41 And he called in, so we ended up packing 19:44 and going back to Pennsylvania. 19:45 And that was very difficult. 19:48 It's not an experience we would want to go through again. 19:51 Sure. 19:52 But again, we can look back 19:53 and that experience among many others 19:56 we've had in the last 20 years, 19:58 we can see how the Lord let us go 19:59 through those things though, 20:01 to help us connect with other people, 20:03 other pastors' families 20:05 who are going through difficult times, 20:07 to really be able to empathize 20:09 what it's like when you are burned-out, 20:12 when you're tired, when... 20:13 Just things are not going the way you planned for future. 20:15 Now, this is important. 20:16 And you're ministering now 20:18 because we know that you didn't grow up in a bubble. 20:20 Your relationship doesn't exist in a bubble. 20:22 You went through some dips. 20:23 This gives you a platform from which to say to others, 20:26 "Hey, we weathered this." 20:28 Okay, so we've dug a pretty deep hole 20:30 for ourselves now. 20:31 Now I want to go to our music, 20:33 then I want you to come back and walk me out of this hole 20:37 'cause you got me nice and depressed. 20:40 So I want you to tell me 20:43 because we gotta get through this ministry. 20:45 And you know what happens is, 20:46 all of these things become part of the resume 20:49 for what you're doing now. 20:50 They become part of your pedigree. 20:51 I've done this. I've did. 20:53 I see how important Christ is to everything that we do, 20:56 He is the undergirding, 20:57 which is what you've discovered 20:59 and have worked into your seminar 21:00 but I want to get you out of this hole, 21:01 get you back on level ground here. 21:03 So let's go to our music. 21:04 We'll sort of hit the pause button 21:05 for just a second 21:07 because I really want to know the end to this myself. 21:10 Jaime Jorge came in just a little while ago 21:12 and did some music for us. 21:14 And he's gonna be playing in this apropos song 21:16 "Love Lifted Me". 21:18 This is Jaime Jorge. 24:48 Love Lifted Me. Well done, Jaime Jorge. 24:50 My guest David and Marquita Klinedinst. 24:52 David is currently the evangelist 24:55 for the Iowa-Missouri Conference. 24:58 And his lovely wife Marquita is women's ministry speaker. 25:01 And we have found out recently a nurse also. 25:05 They're in transition, 25:06 and we'll talk about that in just a little bit. 25:08 When we left... 25:09 Yes. 25:11 You left us depressed. 25:13 We got to change that. 25:15 Because you've gone through the seminary, 25:18 in your mind, this is not for you. 25:19 This is not the call of God so you've left the seminary, 25:22 gone back to Pennsylvania. 25:24 Things are a little rough, 25:25 a little dark about this time, are they not? 25:27 They are. 25:28 It basically the short version of that story 25:31 is it came to a point where for me, 25:34 I can remember sitting in the basement 25:36 of our apartment in Pennsylvania, 25:39 reflecting in the last few months 25:40 and everything that had happened, 25:42 and then it just hit me like a lead brick, 25:44 and I realized what I had done that when I quit seminary 25:48 and left after God opened the door, 25:50 I had made the biggest mistake of my life. 25:54 And I can't even describe the sense of guilt 25:58 and worthlessness that came over me. 26:00 And for the next few weeks or months, 26:01 the devil would just press upon me 26:03 how worthless I am that I said no to God, 26:07 that I failed God. 26:08 And he'd even take that verse of scripture that says, 26:11 "He who puts his hand to the plow, 26:13 you know, and turns back 26:14 is not fit for service in the work of God." 26:17 And he just keeps telling me, "You're not worthy." 26:20 And I just came to a point, Marquita and I talked, 26:23 and I just fell on my knees and said, 26:24 "God, I know, you opened the door 26:26 and I closed it. 26:28 I made a terrible mistake. 26:30 And there's nothing I can do to reopen the door. 26:33 But if you still want me in ministry, Lord, 26:35 then You're gonna have to take care of it 26:37 'cause I just ruined everything." 26:38 Yeah. Now, Marquita, this is your guy. 26:40 Yes. You know, and he's struggling. 26:42 And you as a loving wife aware of what's going on, 26:45 how is this affecting you? 26:47 It was very difficult 26:48 because I was fighting a lot of feelings 26:51 of bitterness and resentment. 26:52 Because I was thinking, you know, 26:54 I was willing to leave everything, 26:55 willing to leave my career and everything 26:58 for what I thought was a call from God. 27:01 I still remember even when we packed up 27:03 from seminary to head back to Pennsylvania, 27:05 we were on our way. 27:07 And all of a sudden, the U-Haul truck broke down. 27:09 I mean, it was almost like God was trying to stop us. 27:12 And we had to get another truck and reload everything, 27:15 it seems like it was just a struggle 27:16 even just to get back. 27:18 But God really taught me through that experience though, 27:21 'cause it was a period of several months 27:23 of really just learning to pray, 27:25 and really learning to surrender everything to God 27:28 'cause it was difficult even when we got back, 27:30 I couldn't get the job back that I had. 27:32 I had to find something else. 27:34 But God uses those times to really connect us, 27:37 I think even closer to Him, and to realize that 27:41 even through the difficult times, 27:42 He's faithful. 27:44 And again, I think, that's one reason 27:46 why hindsight is such a blessing. 27:47 Yes. 27:48 'Cause what we can't see in the moment of pain, 27:50 later on we can look back 27:52 and see that God was still working 27:53 even through those hard times. 27:55 Praise God. 27:56 Now here's an ad, this is not breaking news. 27:57 This is something you share publicly. 27:59 Yes. Right. Right. 28:00 I mean, this transparency is not newfound. 28:01 No. 28:03 This is a ministry for you 28:04 to help tell other pastors who are in... 28:05 Could be in the same kind of trouble. 28:07 Right. 28:08 This actually, David, is a crisis of faith. 28:11 You know, somewhere in all of this 28:13 your hold on the Lord got a little slack. 28:17 And now you're trying to rebound. 28:18 So walk us through the recovery if you will? 28:21 The recovery was basically coming back 28:24 and reconnecting with God and realizing 28:26 "I made a mistake." 28:28 God still loves me. 28:29 He hasn't taken my name out of the book of life, 28:32 and just giving it back to him and saying, 28:34 "Lord, if You want to open the door again, 28:36 I will go through it." 28:38 And it was just a few months later 28:41 that the Pennsylvania Conference called on the phone. 28:43 And I think, the pastor of our church 28:45 probably told them our story. 28:47 And I remember Mike Colley, I hope he's watching. 28:50 I know Mike Colley. 28:51 I remember them saying, 28:53 "Are you gonna be at camp-meeting this year?" 28:55 I said, "Yeah, why?" 28:56 "Well, we'd like to talk to you." 28:58 "About what?" 29:00 "Well, possibly a church district 29:02 in Western Pennsylvania." 29:03 And I was just shocked. 29:05 And so when we went up there 29:07 to Blue Mountain Academy for camp meeting, 29:09 I will always remember sitting in the office of that church 29:13 with Mike Colley, and I think it was Moe Pelly. 29:16 And they were telling us about this three church district 29:19 in Western Pennsylvania. 29:21 And if we would be interested 29:22 in going on a one-year trial basis 29:24 just to see what happen. 29:26 You have to understand CA, I'm a blunt person. 29:28 Yeah. You know, I'm very direct. 29:30 And I don't like to beat around the bush. 29:31 And I knew they knew everything that had happened. 29:34 And what sticks in my mind to this day 29:37 is I remember looking at Mike and Moe 29:38 and saying listen guys, "I know you know. 29:42 I know you know what I did. 29:44 I know you know I quit seminary. 29:46 I turned my back on God. I know you know that. 29:49 Why are you calling me?" 29:52 And I will never forget their response 29:54 till the day I died. 29:55 It still chokes me up. 29:57 I remember they looked at me and they said, 29:58 "David, you know, as a church, 30:00 we don't believe in once saved always saved, 30:03 but neither do we believe in once lost always lost." 30:07 And I have never forgotten that in ministry. 30:11 Yeah, praise the Lord. 30:12 So it took the little district. 30:14 Yeah, it did. 30:15 That one year trial turned into seven and-a-half years 30:18 there in Pennsylvania to personal ministries director 30:21 somewhere else, and then being an evangelist today. 30:24 Praise God. 30:25 So I may not understand everything, 30:27 but one thing I do know is that God does not believe 30:30 in once lost always lost. 30:32 Amen and amen. 30:33 When he hit you with that news... 30:35 Yes. 30:36 Walk me through what was going through your mind? 30:38 I was saying, "Praise the Lord." 30:41 You know 'cause it's really tough 30:44 what pastors go through but even for pastors' wives, 30:48 there's a lot they go through as well. 30:50 And sometimes pastors' wives feel they're a little bit 30:53 behind the shadows sometimes. 30:55 But again, I just... 30:56 I was praying fervently for my husband 30:58 because I knew he was going through 31:01 a very difficult time. 31:02 But when he got that phone call 31:03 from the Pennsylvania Conference, 31:05 inside, I already knew this is what the Lord was wanting us, 31:10 He was wanting us to do. 31:11 And I just, you know, the beautiful thing about it 31:14 is through all of that God was showing us 31:18 how amazing His grace is 31:20 that even when we do make mistakes, 31:23 that He is a God who can work through the mistakes 31:26 to get us back on the path that He wants us to be on so. 31:29 Yeah, yes. 31:30 And I rather expect if that was the only lesson 31:33 that we would learn from this particular sitting together, 31:36 that would be lesson enough. 31:38 The fact that you're not always saved... 31:40 I love that you're not always lost either. 31:43 And that God is a God of second chances. 31:45 And we praise the Lord for that. 31:46 And your ministry can take dips. 31:48 And if you're in this thing long enough, 31:50 you will have some dips 31:52 but you can rebound and recover. 31:53 And God can reestablish you. 31:55 And I think that's an important thing to know. 31:57 Through all of these tests, twists, and turns, 32:00 and vicissitudes, and all these other things, 32:02 we come now to the reason you are here. 32:05 But I wanted to just spend a little time in 32:07 because it occurred to me that there was a story there. 32:10 And, you know, you see someone sitting there 32:12 looking happy with two children, 32:14 the whole, you never know 32:16 what the undergirding is of all of that. 32:18 Life is real. Life is very, very real. 32:20 Well said. Well said. 32:21 Your ministry or at least what we air on 32:27 3ABN Proclaim 32:29 deals with prophecy 32:34 as its title, but walk me through 32:37 what you see as the undergirding 32:40 to all of that. 32:42 Obviously, through your history, 32:45 Christ has been very real to you. 32:47 So now He is center 32:49 and circumference of all you do, preaching wise, 32:51 walk me through how that occurred to you, 32:53 and how you weave that into your prophetic presentation? 32:56 Well, I've always wanted to be in the area of evangelism 33:00 because that's what affected my life, personally. 33:03 Even though I grew up in the church, 33:05 I can remember being 20-some years old, 33:08 and an evangelist coming to our church. 33:09 And for the first time, I understood 33:12 how the entire Adventist message 33:14 just connected together. 33:15 And it just, it made a difference in my life. 33:18 And so when the opportunity came to be a pastor 33:20 and then evangelist, 33:21 wanting to help people understand 33:23 how do these truths affect you personally 33:26 and your relationship with Jesus, 33:28 how do you connect with him through these things 33:30 was important to me. 33:33 What we do in the Discover Prophecy Seminar 33:35 is trying to show this doctrine, this teaching 33:39 what does it have to do with your relationship 33:40 with Jesus. 33:42 What does it say about Christ's character 33:44 so that when it comes to prophecy, you know, 33:46 we have all these dates, and these facts, 33:48 and these figures, and it can become 33:50 so intellectual, and that's all well and good. 33:53 But how does this actually help me connect in a personal, 33:56 dynamic, born-again relationship with Jesus? 33:59 That's where we want to come at when it comes to prophecy 34:02 making it Christ-centered, positive, and relational. 34:07 When you begin a meeting, what is your first sermon 34:11 out of the box? 34:12 Actually the first sermon out of the box 34:13 is either the signs of the times, 34:16 or actually Daniel too, how God is in control. 34:19 And He can be in control of your life 34:21 if we choose to submit to Him. 34:23 I mean, that's all the traditional topics 34:25 of the evangelistic series, but coming at it 34:28 from the perspective of how does this leave me, 34:31 where do I see Jesus and the cross in these things. 34:34 Let me give you a little chance to preach then. 34:36 How then is Christ important, 34:42 and why is it important 34:44 that He be woven into all of this prophetic stuff? 34:49 You know, we are, the first time 34:51 my mother got a track under the door, 34:53 it had the dragons in it. 34:54 And she's like, "I'm not touching that." 34:56 You know, kind of thing. 34:57 So obviously, you've got to deal with that stuff. 35:00 Well, your presentation mixes Christ, 35:02 blends Christ into that. 35:04 How is that important? 35:05 And why is it so important that that happened? 35:07 Well, I'll tell you what made it important. 35:10 And this involves just a brief little story. 35:12 We were doing meetings in North Platte, 35:15 Nebraska, one time. 35:17 And I remember, meetings were all over, 35:18 this was the last night. 35:20 I was standing in the church lobby. 35:21 And a church member came out. 35:23 And the church member said to me, 35:24 "I just want to thank you for making these meetings 35:27 so Christ centered. 35:28 If I would have known it would be, 35:30 had been like this, 35:31 I would have invited my friends." 35:34 And when she made that statement, 35:35 I wasn't sure how to feel. 35:37 On one hand thankful 35:38 that she felt it was Christ centered, 35:41 but on the other hand frustrated 35:42 because she didn't bring her friends. 35:44 And I felt compelled to ask her "Why?" 35:46 Yes. 35:47 And the answer she told me has always stuck with me. 35:50 She said, "I have brought friends 35:51 to prophecy seminars before, but I've just... 35:54 I've been embarrassed. 35:55 Because it was negative, 35:57 the speaker came at it from the perspective that 35:59 if you don't know these truths, you are an inferior 36:02 or a less sincere Christian 36:05 and just really didn't talk about Christ at all." 36:09 And when she shared that I had determined in my mind 36:13 that wherever we would do prophecy seminars, 36:16 we would be sure that Christ was the central focus of it 36:19 and connected to all these doctrines. 36:23 So you have empirical evidence 36:25 that putting Christ in the center 36:27 makes us certainly more palatable 36:29 for those who do not know 36:30 because you can get number heavy, 36:34 and personality heavy, and signs at a time heavy 36:37 and negative just preaching the raw doctrines... 36:41 Right. 36:42 When you're dealing with prophecy. 36:43 And yet Christ puts light into all that stuff. Marquita? 36:46 He's also said that through the years, 36:48 one of the things that's been very helpful to him 36:50 and I think, this is another reason 36:51 why the Lord let us come together 36:53 is with me coming from a non Adventist background. 36:57 I've been able to share with him a lot of, you know, 37:00 when he was preaching on different topics 37:02 that what we call "Testing Truths" 37:05 to help him understand a little bit more 37:06 of what people are thinking, 37:08 what they're really struggling with 37:09 'cause I remember, I remember what it was like 37:12 to hear these things for the first time. 37:14 And with him coming from an Adventist background, 37:17 it's a little harder to understand that. 37:19 So we've been able to dialogue quite a bit. 37:21 And I think that's one thing that has helped him 37:23 to also come across to people 37:26 with a lot more empathetic attitude, 37:28 when he's preaching is that people really sense 37:31 that he loves them. 37:33 And he wants them to really understand 37:35 these truths from the scriptures, 37:37 but to know that Christ is in the center 37:39 of every one of these things that they're listening too. 37:42 So it is you and the Lord, to whom we give credit 37:46 because I've listened to his presentation 37:49 as many times, obviously, it's on my network. 37:52 And I have him on during the time 37:54 when I'm usually at my desk, not always 37:56 but so I've heard it. 37:57 And I've seen Christ woven into all of that, 38:02 particularly on as you mentioned 38:03 the Testing Truths, you... 38:05 And I use this term ease into them in such a way 38:08 that they're not jarring because they can be. 38:10 And they can be convicting, I say convicting like 38:14 using a sledgehammer if not done well. 38:17 You do not do that. 38:18 So we thank the Lord and Marquita for that soft way 38:25 that you ease into those truths 38:27 which can be tough if you're not... 38:29 They can. 38:30 If you don't have the background. 38:32 I think, it's a lot in the way 38:33 you were looking at your audience, 38:35 am I looking at them as people who don't want to follow truth, 38:38 so I've got to hit them real hard. 38:40 And it's okay to be bold in a loving way. 38:42 Or do I see them as genuine Christians 38:45 who also love Jesus, 38:47 and they want to follow the Lord 38:49 and continue their journey of truth. 38:51 And I want to partner with them rather than being looked at 38:54 as, you know, an enemy who's trying to force them 38:56 to do something, you know. 38:58 Well said. Well said. 38:59 So you actually have a part in this ministry 39:02 as far as advising and kind of given in some culture 39:05 and that kind of thing. 39:07 And I like the idea 39:08 that the two of you are working together. 39:09 Yes, you know, it's definitely a team effort. 39:11 You know, when it comes to the actual meetings, 39:13 I do a lot more of the behind the scenes 39:15 type things, getting things organized, 39:18 training the volunteers from the churches 39:20 that we work with for things. 39:22 But he also gets me up front a lot of times 39:25 to do the intro type things as well. 39:27 So I'm pretty much available to do what needs to be done. 39:30 She shares her testimony. 39:32 One night, it's just her sharing her testimony 39:35 of when she learned these truths 39:37 and how her family handled it. 39:39 And I think that's very important 39:40 'cause it helps people to connect relationally 39:43 and understand, here is someone else 39:46 who's gone through this, 39:47 and I encourage them to talk to Marquita 39:49 as you're dealing with these things. 39:51 I'm sure, she'd be happy to share with you 39:53 more of her experience. 39:54 And I have that DVD. I've heard your presentation. 39:56 Well done. 39:58 And it does for a person who's coming in raw, I say raw, 40:03 and has no Adventist background. 40:05 It's kind of nice to know that someone else 40:06 kind of walk me, walk through this 40:08 and I can kind of talk to them. 40:10 Yeah, something appears in your notes, 40:12 David, that it's interesting to me, 40:15 examples of making a second coming of Christ, 40:19 Christ center, and not just disproving the rapture. 40:21 Right. Yep. 40:23 Because you can get kind of nasty with the rapture 40:24 if you wish too, but obviously you've got, 40:27 walk me through that? 40:28 I was gonna go there anyway. 40:30 When it comes to the second coming, 40:31 it seems like traditionally it can kind of turn 40:34 into this battle between two theologies, 40:37 literal coming, secret rapture of Jesus. 40:40 And so we always wanting to talk about, you know, 40:43 the four facts of the coming, 40:45 literal, audible, visible, glorious. 40:47 And I mean that's all well and good. 40:48 We need to understand that. 40:50 But I also recognize that can be simply 40:53 intellectual knowledge. 40:54 Surely. That doesn't change the heart. 40:57 We want to talk about 40:59 why is the second coming of Jesus important? 41:02 Am I ready? 41:03 Talk about how do I have the assurance of salvation 41:06 in my heart and be able to talk about 41:08 Christ's righteousness, and what He does for us, 41:10 so that I can have that confidence 41:12 'cause the truth is when you think about it, 41:15 if I'm not ready for Jesus to come, 41:17 does it really matter how He comes anyway? 41:19 Correct. 'Cause I'm not ready. 41:21 And so we like to weave in there, 41:22 how do you have a personal relationship 41:25 with Jesus, even a daily devotional life 41:28 so that I can have the assurance 41:30 that when Jesus comes, I'm ready to meet him, 41:32 not 'cause of what I've done, 'cause of what He's done. 41:35 And we've seen how even just coming at it 41:38 from that aspect, 41:40 how it not only affects new people coming in, 41:43 but we've had through the years several church people 41:46 who've been in church for many years 41:49 who will come up to him and just thank him 41:51 for putting Christ 41:53 in the center of these doctrines. 41:54 In other words, they'll say, "This is the first time, 41:56 I've really ever heard the state of the dead this way 41:59 or the second coming this way." 42:01 And in their own hearts and minds, 42:03 they're making that connection of 42:05 why Christ is in the center of that teaching. 42:08 And it makes a heart difference for them in their lives. 42:11 I just think so. Yeah. 42:12 If I just prove that the second coming is literal 42:15 and that there's no "secret rapture", 42:18 if I'm just proving that, have I really done my job, 42:23 you know, calling as an evangelist because again, 42:26 that's just intellectual knowledge 42:28 or have I been able to also draw them into a relationship 42:32 with Jesus Christ, while understanding these truths. 42:36 Marquita, I want to take just a moment. 42:37 We'll put David on pause a little bit 42:39 because I've heard your presentation. 42:40 Walk me through what you're seeking to do 42:44 on a personal level to those who may be in the same place 42:47 you were many, many years ago? 42:49 And what you say in your attempt 42:50 to do that, to accomplish that? 42:52 Right. 42:53 Well, regarding my testimony, the main reason I love 42:56 to just get up and share with people 42:59 what Jesus has done for me is because, I know, 43:02 every person that's out there, 43:04 God is speaking to their hearts too. 43:06 He speaks to all of us in different ways. 43:08 But you can always stand up and just look at people 43:10 and see the spirit is working. 43:12 And my hope is when I get up and share with them 43:15 what God has done for me, and even through times 43:18 where, you know, when you have to make those steps 43:21 where you're deciding, "Does Jesus mean more to me 43:25 than other things in my life?" 43:27 You have to realize you come to a place of realizing 43:29 that God's power is it's available to walk us 43:33 through any circumstance. 43:34 And that's the message that I really like 43:36 to give to people is that 43:38 no matter how hard your circumstance may seem 43:41 to be right now, that God is able to walk you through it. 43:45 And the amazing thing is, 43:46 when we just take that first step 43:48 into the Jordan River, 43:49 He's gonna part those waters and He will go with us. 43:53 And that's the other key to realize 43:54 we're not walking through things alone. 43:56 But that when Jesus said, "I will be with you always," 44:00 that He truly means it till the end of time 44:02 that we never face anything alone. 44:04 Well said. Well said. 44:05 I think you both have come to the realization. 44:07 And it seems to be an integral part 44:09 of your ministry that Christianity, 44:13 in particular Adventist Christianity 44:15 is an invasive thing, it goes into your wallet. 44:19 It goes into your refrigerator. It goes into your guest book. 44:21 It goes into your friend list. 44:22 It goes into every aspect of your life 44:26 is made subject to your love for God. 44:29 And so you have that understanding 44:31 as part of your package 44:33 when you're presenting the gospel, 44:34 which is a good thing 44:36 and a very, very important thing. 44:37 God has done so many, many things, 44:40 talking about miracles, 44:42 let's touch on that, then we got to talk about 44:44 where you're going, what you're doing 44:45 'cause I haven't really done that on air. 44:46 We talked about it before, but the blessings 44:49 that have come from this. 44:51 And how many meetings have you done? 44:52 Do you keep record? Oh, boy, I don't actually. 44:54 I'm not actually sure. 44:56 I would say what? 50 or 100... 44:59 Maybe I don't, we've lost count. 45:01 I actually hadn't had any track to be honest with you. 45:03 Go, praise the Lord. 45:04 I'm glad it's without number. 45:06 Yeah, praise the Lord. Yes, yes. 45:07 The Lord knows. 45:09 Indeed, the Lord does know. 45:11 And I'm not sure how we hooked up, 45:13 maybe you sent word here and a sample DVD and of course, 45:18 I liked what I saw immediately, so we put you on Proclaim. 45:22 And that has been a blessing for us 45:23 because you have a loyal following of people 45:26 who like what you do and are blessed by that, 45:29 we praise the Lord for it. 45:32 Let's talk just a little bit about 45:34 where you're going and what you're doing 45:35 'cause you're on the cusp of a move. 45:38 And we talked about it off camera, 45:40 but you're going to the...? 45:43 We're going to the Chesapeake Conference 45:45 in Columbia, Maryland. 45:47 And be serving as the director of church growth 45:49 and an evangelism there which was big surprise to us. 45:52 We didn't know this was coming. 45:55 Marquita, you're good with that? 45:57 I am good with that. 45:58 Praise the Lord. Yes. 45:59 Again, it was one of these things 46:01 when it came about, 46:02 the Lord just kept giving green light after green light 46:05 that this is what He wants us to do. 46:06 And I think, you know, what we've been doing 46:08 in St. Louis for the last seven years, 46:10 the experience we've had there 46:12 working in a big metropolitan area. 46:15 David's had the opportunity to do a lot of networking, 46:18 bringing churches, 46:20 different people together for different things. 46:22 We're hoping to take those things 46:24 and take it to the Chesapeake Conference, 46:25 and further the Lord's work there as well. 46:27 Praise the Lord. 46:29 Give me just some semblance of what that fairly long 46:32 and involved job title is gonna have you doing? 46:36 Well, real quick before going there 46:37 'cause I know, St. Louis is probably watching, 46:39 is watching this and what we want them 46:42 to understand how much we have enjoyed 46:43 the seven years that we've spent there. 46:46 And I believe God is going to do 46:48 some very special things with the churches of St. Louis 46:52 and the planting that's going on there, 46:54 and a very special pastoral team is there. 46:56 We weren't trying to leave St. Louis at all. 46:58 In fact, we've turned down other calls to stay there. 47:01 But this, I can't describe it, this just happened so quickly 47:04 in a way that God made it clear 47:06 that this is the path we're supposed to take. 47:09 So St. Louis will always be an important part 47:12 in our hearts and in our ministry. 47:14 So this is taking you fairly close to your roots 47:17 as far as part of the country? 47:19 Yes. It is. 47:20 And I think you've grown-up enough now 47:22 and got enough gray hair to know that 47:23 when the Lord opens the door, 47:25 and you feel that cool breeze blowing, 47:26 you better walk in the direction of that breeze. 47:30 I mean, it's answered every question 47:31 that we could ever have about when a change should come. 47:35 And just the fact that it's I never thought 47:37 I could be close to home and still do what I love to do 47:41 'cause other calls would have involved, 47:44 maybe stop being an evangelist or being in evangelism 47:47 and that's just not something that we felt, you know, 47:50 we feel called to that. 47:52 This call allows us to continue in that 47:54 but to help teach and train others, 47:56 and maybe help lead on a larger scale. 47:57 The legacy, praise the Lord. Yeah. 47:59 And be close to home for my parents, you know, 48:01 they're in their late 80s. 48:03 And my girls will have a chance or all girls have a chance 48:06 to make some memories with their grandparents 48:08 'cause we've never lived close to them 48:09 in 12 years of ministry. 48:11 Wow, wow, praise the Lord. 48:12 Now again, your job description entails what? 48:15 What are you gonna be doing? A little bit of everything. 48:18 Yeah, helping to lead the evangelistic vision 48:20 of the Chesapeake Territory, church revitalization, 48:25 training pastors and lay people in evangelism, 48:28 providing a structure for church planting, 48:30 particularly in the Baltimore area, 48:33 and handling the mission trips that happen in that conference 48:36 so that's kind of the short summary. 48:38 I think I'll probably learn more as I get there. 48:41 Yeah, praise the Lord. 48:42 Now, Marquita, are you practicing nursing now? 48:44 I am. I currently work from home. 48:47 For a long time, I worked in home health care, 48:49 loved doing that. 48:50 But when it came time that we started a family, 48:52 I wanted to be able to stay at home. 48:55 And this was right about the time, 48:56 the internet came about. 48:58 And so the Lord just opened the door for me 49:00 to start working from home as an auditor so I do that. 49:03 So that's the blessing that when we move, 49:05 I can literally just take my work with me, 49:08 wherever we go for that. 49:10 So but I'll be working with him quite a bit 49:13 in his new role that he's doing and still doing some things 49:16 with women's ministries I hope, and just seeing 49:19 what opportunities the Lord opens up. 49:21 Yeah, I was gonna ask you that 49:22 because you are an accomplished speaker 49:24 in your own right and do well, an anointed speaker, 49:28 very clear, very spiritual, 49:30 so we would want to see you continue in that vein. 49:33 Amen, I know, my husband is a strong encourager of that. 49:37 I am. 49:39 So he was the one in our early years of ministry, 49:41 he kept saying, you have a gift for speaking. 49:44 You need to do it 'cause by nature I'm very shy. 49:47 I'm much better being behind the wall 49:50 somewhere than upfront. 49:51 But the Lord lay it on my heart 49:53 that it is a gift He's given me. 49:55 And I need to use it for Him and His glory. 49:58 And so through the years, the Lord has, He's opened doors 50:01 throughout the United States, even internationally 50:03 to go and speak in other places. 50:05 And so wherever the Lord calls, 50:07 we're willing to go and willing to serve. 50:09 Praise the Lord. 50:10 And of course, as the girls get little older, 50:12 it will free you to do some of the things that... 50:13 Yes, well, it's exciting too for them 50:16 because they're at ages now 13 and 9. 50:18 They're both starting to recognize 50:20 their spiritual gifts even in evangelistic meetings, 50:23 they're upfront doing things, helping, 50:26 and so it's exciting to see how they're growing 50:28 as well so. 50:30 Praise the Lord. You are... 50:35 They're freeing you to do meetings there, 50:37 which, of course, is close to your heart along, 50:39 you're gonna have enough hours in a day 50:41 to do all of this stuff, man? 50:42 I guess, we'll find out. 50:44 I have to learn how to plan things properly. 50:46 I guess, we will. 50:48 A couple things I want to do just before we go 50:51 to our newsbreak, and I suspect, 50:57 will you have time to take speaking engagements 50:59 if people call you, will you sort of 51:02 weave that into your...? 51:03 Yeah, we're planning to continue doing that 51:05 and working it out. 51:07 My work in Chesapeake, obviously, has to come first. 51:09 You know, but yes, we want to continue that ministry. 51:12 Praise the Lord. 51:14 Take it from me, this guy's a good preacher 51:18 and is a good guy, but more than that 51:19 he's anointed of the Lord and called of the Lord. 51:21 Should you want to make contact with Pastor David Klinedinst 51:25 or his wife Marquita, they're kind of a match set 51:30 but if you want to make contact with them, 51:31 support their ministry or to have him come 51:34 and present to your church or by that group. 51:37 Here is the contact information that you will need. 51:41 Are you puzzled by the Bible's prophecies? 51:44 Have your friends or even your pastor told you 51:46 that the Book of Revelation cannot be understood? 51:50 Now you can unlock the true meaning 51:52 of its prophecies by using the Bible itself 51:55 in the Revelation Reveals Discover Prophecy Seminar. 51:59 You may contact them at PO Box 4173, 52:03 Chesterfield, Missouri 63006. 52:07 Or call them at (855)774-4673. 52:13 Visit Pastor David and Marquita's website, 52:16 davidklinedinst.org or MomentsWithJesus.org 52:21 for more information on their ministries. |
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