Participants: CA Murray (Host), Dr. Verlyn R. Benson
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY017064A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:08 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:10 My name is CA Murray. 01:12 And allow me once again to thank you for sharing 01:14 just a little of your day with us 01:16 to thank you as always for your love, 01:18 your prayers, your support 01:19 of Three Angles Broadcasting Network, 01:21 as together we seek to lift up the name of Jesus 01:24 and to let the world know that 01:26 Jesus is coming very, very soon. 01:28 I'm excited today because of the subject matter 01:32 and because of my guest. 01:34 I was always one who loved mission stories 01:37 as I was growing up 01:38 and I always had this secret envy for people 01:41 who are serving in the mission field, 01:43 never got a chance to go. 01:44 But today we're gonna talk with someone 01:46 who got a definite call to go to the mission field. 01:49 And as we look at his life 01:51 and he's got a really interesting life. 01:54 You know, God, many times that we've seen this happen before. 01:58 God takes you through a number of experiences 02:00 that become part of your resume, 02:02 part of your catalog, 02:03 and then there comes a time when all of those things 02:06 that He's taken you through 02:07 become a skill set that He causes you to use 02:11 at a certain point in your life 02:13 and that is certainly true of my guest, 02:16 who is Dr. Verlyn R. Benson. 02:18 Good, doctor, good to have you here, man. 02:19 Nice to be here. Thank you very much. 02:22 Punch line. 02:23 He is the President of the Adventist University 02:25 of Central Africa. 02:27 So he's on loan to us for just a little while. 02:29 And my understanding is, soon after doing this program, 02:32 he's going to be heading back to Central Africa 02:36 which is in Rwanda near the city of? 02:39 Kigali. Kigali. 02:40 Which is a city of some size, I'm told. 02:42 It is. It is. Yeah. Yeah. 02:46 He's doing a great work. 02:48 This is exciting stuff and I kind of... 02:49 I hope we have time to get through all of this stuff. 02:51 We were talking just a little bit 02:53 before the program 02:54 and God has given him a wealth of experience 02:58 and information that he, 02:59 all of which he is using to do 03:02 what God has called him to do in Africa. 03:04 Before going to Africa you were on the faculty of? 03:08 Andrews University. Andrews University. 03:10 So what makes a leap from Andrews University 03:12 all the way across Atlanta to Africa, 03:14 we're gonna talk about that leap. 03:15 And before Andrews University... 03:17 It was Pacific Union College. 03:18 Okay, so when you move you don't move next door. 03:23 You don't go even one state over. 03:25 You go from West Coast to mid America, 03:27 from Middle America, all the way to Africa 03:32 and God has called you to each place. 03:34 And this last call, you made certain 03:36 that it was a call from God and I don't blame you 03:38 and we're going to talk about that also. 03:40 Before we go to our music, just a little back 03:42 and you were born where? 03:44 I was born in Northern California. 03:46 Grew up in Adventist home? I did. 03:49 Brothers and sisters? Yes, I have. 03:52 Adopted sister, three normal brothers, 03:56 and half brother and two half sisters... 03:58 Big family. Oh, wow, fairly big family. 04:00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Northern California? 04:02 Northern California. Near what town? 04:04 Near Pacific Union College. 04:05 Okay, now you told me your wife 04:07 actually is from California also, 04:08 but southern part of the state. 04:10 Southern, yes. Yeah. 04:11 And you didn't meet her till quite a bit later 04:13 and that's kind of interesting story too. 04:15 There's a lot of sidelines in your life 04:18 that we want to kind of get into. 04:19 But you were now 04:21 the President of University of Central Africa in Rwanda. 04:25 And of course when we think about Rwanda, 04:27 we think about the genocide 04:28 that's going back 20 years now or more. 04:30 23. 23 years, yeah. 04:32 But still on the minds of some. 04:34 Now the school that you are president of, 04:36 is not on the same campus 04:38 as it was back 23 plus years ago? 04:40 No, it's not. 04:41 No, the campus was destroyed during 04:43 and shortly after the genocide. 04:45 So that's become a government military outpost 04:48 and we have a relatively new campus near Kigali. 04:52 In fact two, one near the international airport 04:56 where my office is 04:57 and then we have the beautiful science 04:59 and technology building 05:01 which is closer to downtown Kigali. 05:04 And then we have a nursing campus 05:06 and we have Mugonero Hospital, 05:08 clear out to the West Lake Kivu. 05:11 Now here's what is sad, 05:13 I don't want to wear your appetite 05:14 just a little bit before we go to our music. 05:17 Dr. Verlyn has been called to Rwanda to perform 05:22 a specific task at the behest of the Rwandan government. 05:27 That is correct. 05:28 So this is, this is, this is big stuff. 05:31 This is not any little thing. 05:34 The government sees 05:36 what Adventism brings to the table 05:38 and has asked the Adventist church 05:41 to do something specifically 05:44 that they can not do or have not been doing. 05:47 And the person, the cherry on the Sunday 05:49 of that whole ice cream is the good doctor. 05:51 So that's the story that we've got to sort of unpackaged 05:53 and unwrapped for you, because it's an exciting one 05:55 and God has done some marvelous thing. 05:57 And it's good to know that governments 06:00 are now seeing value 06:02 in what the Adventist church teaches 06:04 or what it believes 06:05 and the way it prosecutes its faith in the real world. 06:09 And so that's what we're gonna be talking about 06:10 because they've called Dr. Verlyn 06:13 over to do something very, very special 06:15 and we want to talk about that. 06:16 Before we do that, before we un-package the story, 06:18 we want to go to our music, which is coming to us 06:21 from our dear friend from down under Sandra Entermann, 06:26 who fairly recently received 06:27 an award herself from the government. 06:29 You know, she is a glazier. 06:31 She works in that industry 06:33 and has done some remarkable things 06:35 that have gotten her noticed by the Australian Government. 06:38 But we know her and love or as a great singer 06:40 and she's got a very beautiful song to sing. 06:42 Sandra sings with pathos and with the love of God 06:45 and you're gonna be blessed. 07:04 In the beginning, I never knew 07:08 Just how much I really needed you 07:12 More than a friend, someone I could talk to 07:15 You've changed me, in so many ways 07:19 Nobody knows me like you 07:23 You put your arms around me, you bring me through 07:27 There's many times, I don't know what to do 07:31 Though some know me well, still nobody knows me like you 07:43 All of my secrets, to you, I tell 07:47 You saw each time that I slipped and fell 07:51 And all of my faults, yes, you know them well 07:54 But you've never turned me away 07:58 Nobody knows me like you 08:02 You put your arms around me, you bring me through 08:06 There's many times I don't know what to do 08:10 Though some know me well 08:12 Still nobody knows me like you 08:18 Walking in your presence is where I want to be 08:22 You said in your word 08:24 You said that you would lead me 08:26 Yes, I love you, oh, I really love you 08:30 I'd go anywhere 08:31 As long as I know you'll be there 08:41 All of those nights that I was afraid 08:45 I stood on the promises you have made 08:49 The way that I act, sometimes I am ashamed 08:53 But you never turned me away 08:56 No, no, no 08:57 Nobody knows me like you 09:01 You put your arms around me, you bring me through 09:05 And there's many times I don't know what to do 09:09 Though some know me well, still nobody knows me like you 09:15 Nobody knows me 09:17 Nobody knows me like you 09:20 You put your arms around me, you bring me through 09:24 And there's many times I don't know what to do 09:28 Though some know me well, still nobody knows me like you 09:36 Though some know me well, still nobody knows me like you 09:44 Though some know me well 09:46 Still nobody knows me like you 10:09 Thank you very much, Sonia... Sandra Entermann. 10:13 And she was accompanied by Sanja Kitevski on the piano 10:17 and also doing vocals with her. 10:20 A great combination, we love them 10:22 when they come over 10:23 and always have a good time together. 10:25 My guest is Dr. Verlyn R. Benson 10:27 and I hasten to make note 10:31 that the doctor is not an MD, it's a PhD. 10:33 Correct. 10:34 And we need to make that note when we talk about 10:36 what you've been assigned to do because one would think MD, 10:39 but God put a PhD, in-charge, 10:43 and it's the perfect fit as God always does. 10:46 Now, we talked about you growing up Adventist home, 10:48 it is one thing, good doctor, who grew up in Adventist home. 10:51 It is another to be in Christ. 10:55 When did that call come in your life, 10:57 one on one with Jesus? 10:59 Actually, I was in college. 11:02 I was encouraged to go to Texas A&M, MIT, 11:08 some of the big degree institutions. 11:12 My doctorate is actually 11:13 a Doctorate of Industrial Technology. 11:16 So my career is a very practical industrial career 11:21 and I wanted to choose Pacific Union College 11:24 because I wanted a spiritual component 11:26 and it was in college that I drew close to Christ. 11:30 Well, with that doctorate one would suspect 11:35 that you're kind of a left brain 11:36 logical kind of sequential kind of guy. 11:38 Yeah. And was the... 11:44 Coming to the Lord a sudden kind of thing or was it a, 11:48 you know, over a period of time, 11:50 or can you like point to a day and a time when you really... 11:53 No, actually there were two points. 11:54 I was in about fourth grade 11:56 and I went to an evangelistic series 11:58 and that was the first step. 12:02 I committed my life to God in that evangelist series. 12:05 And I can remember praying, "If I commit my life to You, 12:08 can I have an exciting life?" 12:11 I'm not gonna try drugs, I'm not gonna do all the, 12:15 the things, but I'd like an exciting life. 12:18 And so that went through academy 12:23 and yes, I did have some exciting times, 12:25 I have to agree. 12:26 But then in college, I began a very close study. 12:33 I won't go into that story, but I can remember 12:35 specifically a Wednesday night prayer meeting. 12:37 It was a turning point. 12:39 As I began to look at, you know, a future life 12:43 and who I marry 12:44 and so it was a prayer meeting 12:47 on dating to marriage that particular night. 12:50 And from that point, I began reading the Bible 12:52 and the Spirit of Prophecy like I'd never read before, 12:56 because the point of that 12:58 was instead of looking for the right wife, 13:02 you want to be preparing to be the right husband. 13:04 Amen, well said. 13:06 And that's why I got into the study of God's word 13:08 and that's where I drew close to Christ. 13:10 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 13:11 Our story is sort of parallel. 13:13 I gave my heart to the Lord, joined the Adventist Church, 13:14 at nine I was baptized, only one of my family. 13:17 But then really came to know the Lord in college 13:21 and I can trace it back to a prayer meeting 13:24 to a Wednesday night, to Wednesday night service. 13:26 And was re-baptized 13:28 and then sort of running ever since. 13:29 Now let's jump since we talked about 13:32 praying for husbands and wives. 13:35 Tell me how you met your wife who is now in ministry with you 13:38 and that's a kind of a curious start, 13:39 then I want to go back to this ministry 13:41 because there's so much to say. 13:42 Sure. 13:44 Both of us accepted calls, 13:46 we felt the Lord was leading us. 13:49 My wife Anita accepted a call 13:51 to be a surgical nurse to Zambia 13:55 and so she left to do that. 13:57 I clearly felt God's leading for me to teach 14:02 and I went to Platteville Academy 14:03 in the Midwest 14:05 where I began my teaching career. 14:06 We never met. 14:08 So it was through a new teacher that came, 14:12 that is a long story, we can't tell it now, 14:15 but it was through that I began writing her. 14:18 And after a year and a half of writing, 14:21 we met at this Chicago, O'Hare Airport 14:22 for the first time and, and... 14:25 Oh, that's romantic. 14:27 There is a romantic story, yes. 14:29 So she was in Zambia the whole time... 14:30 Just writing back and forth? She was. That's correct. 14:32 Well, did you send her some pictures 14:33 so, you knew, kind of knew where you're getting? 14:35 Oh, yes. Praise the Lord. 14:36 But, you know, those pictures weren't the normal pictures, 14:39 all dressed up for church and everything. 14:41 They were just the common pictures. 14:42 And I have to admit, when I saw her at the airport, 14:45 I go speechless literally. 14:47 Her mother was there and she said... 14:48 "Well, do you see her?" And I said... 14:52 Yeah, I recognized her from the pictures. 14:54 I mean, just... 14:55 To me she was glorious, she was so beautiful. 14:59 I will never forget that. 15:00 Praise the Lord. Yeah. 15:01 How long after or how long into relationship 15:03 that occurred to you, this may be the one that 15:05 I want to share my life with? 15:09 Ten days. Okay! 15:14 That's 10 days after O'Hare Airport? 15:16 Yes. Okay, good man. That's... 15:18 You know, I tried to be responsible 15:20 that the General Conference had called, 15:23 or Ted had talked to me and said, 15:24 "You know, she's on furlough." 15:25 I said, "Yeah, so what are my options?" 15:27 Yeah. 15:28 "Can I even talk to her, you know? 15:29 She's going to Mission Institute. 15:31 She hadn't had a chance to go. 15:33 Can we, can we talk about this?" 15:34 And they said, "Yes, you have one month to decide." 15:37 And but for me there's more to the story. 15:42 I felt that, I heard a voice from God 15:47 before I started writing. 15:49 "Be careful, this is the girl you will someday marry." 15:51 Wow! I can't go into the story. 15:54 But it is impressive as you see how God leads together. 15:58 And I wish our young people today realize God cares 16:00 that much about their life. 16:02 Agree, yeah. 16:03 Because God is willing to, even in social, 16:05 romantic relationships, God is willing to guide, 16:08 bring together 16:09 and that has been a part of my life, I treasure. 16:13 So pray, pray, pray. 16:14 So now she's already in the mission field. 16:16 You're not there, you're still teaching. 16:18 Would you, were you gonna have to pull her back 16:20 or you of a mission mindset, how did you nail those two? 16:23 Yeah. I was called a sheep stealer. 16:28 But the one who is directing the Mission Institute 16:31 at the time, he married us. 16:33 So he agreed that God was leading, yes. 16:35 Okay, okay. 16:37 So obviously you haven't regretted 16:39 that little part of your life and we praise the Lord. 16:41 So she's fully invested in mission work 16:43 because she's, you know, 16:45 that's part of her DNA now at this point. 16:47 So you move on, 16:48 you're PC teaching for how many years? 16:50 Well, and before that she was convicted that 16:53 I need to try a little mission service too. 16:55 So it's two years after we were married 16:58 that we accepted a call to Bolivia, South America. 17:00 Oh, okay, you kind of put your toe in the water a little bit? 17:02 We did, six years, almost six years total. 17:06 That's more than toe in the water. 17:07 Yeah. Yeah. 17:08 And our two children were born there. 17:11 So we decided if we're gonna have children, 17:13 we were 25 and 26 when we got married 17:17 and said, if we're gonna have children, 17:18 it's gonna have to be in the mission field. 17:20 And as a surgical nurse, she was well prepared. 17:23 I can never remember missing anything 17:25 for our children since they were born. 17:27 She came prepared with everything 17:28 to take care of them properly. 17:30 Amen. Oh, she's a wonderful mother. 17:32 Yeah, yeah, I see you smiling when you say that. 17:34 So it's coming from the heart. It is. 17:36 So sometime in Bolivia, you came back to the States, 17:38 then to PUC? 17:40 To PUC. Uh-uh! For? 17:41 Well, I did a masters degree in between. 17:43 Okay. Nine months, I was motivated. 17:46 I needed that degree. 17:47 I had no income, then on to PUC for 16 years. 17:52 Teaching? Teaching industrial technology. 17:54 Okay. Yes. 17:56 A lot of math in that, yeah. 17:58 Yes, and a lot of skills too. 17:59 Yeah, lot of skills, lot of skills. 18:01 Then from PUC to? 18:03 To Andrews University for 12 years. 18:05 For 12 years, teaching? Teaching... 18:07 Well, I was called to be 18:08 the Dean of the College of Technology. 18:10 Okay, okay. So I was Academic Dean. 18:13 So you're safely ensconced at Andrews University, 18:17 your children are growing, if not grown, they're growing, 18:19 wife with you, working obviously. 18:25 Was it a bug and itch that, or call? 18:30 You're doing good, you're serving the Lord, 18:31 you're at Andrew University, 18:33 you are dean of a particular school, 18:35 so you're doing nice, you're doing all right. 18:39 Rwanda? 18:42 Walk us through that, that call. 18:44 You know, I had actually planned 18:47 on retiring there at Andrews. 18:51 And we're just settling there and have a nice retirement, 18:56 but God doesn't always have the same plans that we have. 18:59 Amen and amen. 19:00 And so to answer your first question, 19:05 I had just gone through liver cancer 19:08 and I praise God for saving my life. 19:12 I had been given 1% chance of survival. 19:15 Oh, my soul. 19:16 1%. Wow! 19:17 In fact, if you look at the records, 19:19 there are virtually no survivors 19:21 of that type of Intrahepatic cholangiocarcinomas. 19:24 It's a deadly disease. 19:27 And because I had recovered, I was praising God and saying, 19:31 "if You lead me someplace else, where is that?" 19:33 And so there was a call to Rwanda. 19:37 And I said, "Praise the Lord." 19:40 If this is from the Lord, let us test Him 19:44 and let's use people to speak for God." 19:48 Now, let's just put a pin there 19:49 because I suspect at this point in your life, 19:51 you're kind of accustomed 19:52 to hearing the voice of the Lord 19:54 and suddenly calling upon Him 19:55 because we're talking 1% survival, 19:57 that's almost an infinitesimal, 19:59 you know, who gets on a plane 20:01 there's one percentage of safe landing. 20:02 You know, as it should. 20:04 So God has already shown Himself powerful in your life. 20:07 You can trust Him now, 20:08 because He's proven Himself trustworthy. 20:10 Amen. Yeah, yeah. 20:11 But I need a voice. Right. 20:13 I need some confirmation. 20:15 So I said, when I received the call, 20:18 "I'll be happy to accept the position. 20:20 I don't even know what the position is, 20:22 but I'm willing to move forward with that, 20:24 but I also need to have a medical checkup 20:27 and I would like the doctors to give counsel." 20:30 And so I went to my doctor. 20:32 After the checkup, they did another CT scan. 20:36 They said, "No, you're free of cancer, 20:38 your blood is good." 20:39 So my question to you is then, "Can I go to Rwanda?" 20:43 "Oh, sure, sure, go and when you get back, 20:45 I want to see all the pictures, the game parks and everything." 20:48 I said, "No, no, no, moving to Africa." 20:51 Yeah. 20:52 Then the question you just asked me 20:55 was based on your health. 20:56 Is your health good enough? Yeah. 20:59 And, you know, this is where it's exciting, 21:01 because when you ask for an answer to God, 21:04 He will sometimes make it very clear. 21:06 Yes. 21:07 My doctor was a lady and she said, "Go, go, go." 21:13 And she threw her hands out like, 21:14 "What's wrong with you? Go." 21:16 All right! 21:17 So your fleece was a positive medical report 21:21 from your doctor and that did it for you? 21:23 Yeah. Absolutely! 21:24 And "go, go, go," that's, that's pretty positive. 21:26 That was very positive. 21:28 Your wife was already mentally prepared 21:30 to make the switch I suspect. 21:32 Absolutely. Absolutely. 21:33 And your children have grown? Our children are grown. 21:36 Okay, so that's not a, that's not a concern. 21:38 No, but they were concerned. Yes, well, yeah, yeah. 21:41 Dad, although you've been through, 21:42 you're sure this is right? 21:44 Yeah, I'm very concerned for you. 21:45 I'm sure that would... I'm sure they will... 21:47 See, the Lord is already telling you, 21:48 so it's not a concern for you, 21:50 but I'm sure it will be a concern for them. 21:52 Right. Yeah. 21:53 But they have, they have also accepted 21:55 and they believe God has called us to Rwanda. 21:58 The call is not just for me. 22:00 My wife is fulfilling extremely important role 22:04 and she's there right now holding down the fort, 22:08 while I'm here and we talk daily. 22:11 She has a very important role. 22:14 Now let's, let's begin to un-package 22:18 what this call is? 22:20 Because this is, this is unique stuff. 22:24 You were called to go to Rwanda to do what? 22:29 Well, I didn't know for a month after I had received... 22:34 We're putting in all His places and God is saying yes, 22:35 to do what? 22:37 It's like Abraham. 22:38 I've been called, I don't know where I'm going. 22:40 Finally, I was like, "Oh, really, no one's told you?" 22:42 I said, "No, but it doesn't really matter. 22:44 If this is from the Lord, it doesn't matter. 22:46 I'll take any position." Praise the Lord. 22:48 And, yeah, it was to be 22:50 the president of the institution. 22:52 There it's called the, the vice chancellor 22:55 or I'm daily called the Rector. 22:59 Interesting that they used that terminology, Rector. 23:01 Well, you know, Rwanda, just a few years ago 23:04 was French speaking. Yes. 23:05 And then they switched all the official languages. 23:08 Now English, all instruction has to be in English, 23:11 but that's a carry over from the European term. 23:15 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 23:16 so you're called to be 23:18 the president of the university there at Rwanda, 23:22 but not just the president, 23:25 the president with a little hook added to it, 23:27 and what is that? 23:29 That's correct. 23:30 And, you know, I feel so humble to realize. 23:34 God, God saved me to be a part of this. 23:37 This is to be a little part in building 23:40 a state-of-the-art medical school in Rwanda 23:42 at the request of the government. 23:44 Okay, hit a pause button, say that one more time. 23:49 To build a state-of-the-art medical school in Rwanda 23:52 at the request of the president himself. 23:55 Okay, so this request is coming 23:57 from the President of the country 23:59 for the "Adventist" 24:02 to do a state-of-the-art medical school, why? 24:09 They have a national university, 24:11 they have a medical school, 24:13 but it's not producing enough doctors and nurses. 24:16 Just take nurses for example. 24:18 For every nurse that represents 24:22 17,000 patients. 24:26 So there's no way a nurse can take care of that. 24:28 Yes. Way understaffed. 24:29 They don't have near enough doctors. 24:31 And the medical instruction that they have, 24:34 it's the best they can do, 24:36 but it is definitely not state-of-the-art 24:38 and about 80% are failing the national boards. 24:42 So they want quality education. 24:45 They learned about Loma Linda, they realized that 24:49 with the emphasis on the spiritual aspect, 24:53 there is another component that would make 24:56 this medical school very, very different. 24:59 I made a presentation to a bank president 25:01 and she said, "Well, we have our own university. 25:03 Why would you be building another university? 25:05 Why would you need financial assistance, 25:09 a place to store money, 25:11 a place to borrow money etcetera, 25:13 you want good relations, why would you do that?" 25:15 And I gave her a little testimony of my experience 25:18 and how valuable it is to have God in this triangle, 25:22 a good doctors, good nurses, 25:25 I mean, the best you can get in this world, 25:27 the personal involvement 25:29 in being part of that healing process, 25:32 but then having a God who can create miracles, 25:35 a God who can forgive sins, a God that can give you peace, 25:39 and knowing that you can get through this. 25:43 Or if your life is short, 25:45 knowing that there is a resurrection 25:46 that there is a, there is life eternal. 25:48 This, this triangle, this part of medical education. 25:54 She said, "I cannot believe it. 25:56 I've never heard anything like it. 25:58 We need this right here in Rwanda, right now. 26:00 By all means I will support." 26:02 And she just gave us, just before I left, 26:04 she gave us the lowest borrowing rate 26:07 that I had heard of in Rwanda. 26:09 Amen, praise God, praise God. 26:11 So this is why at the very beginning 26:13 I took pains to note that, 26:15 that Verlyn's doctorate is not an MD, 26:19 although he's been called to work on 26:23 and to help build and help lead 26:25 a state-of-the-art medical institution there in Rwanda. 26:28 But now we're gonna see how the skill level, 26:32 the skill set that God has given him 26:34 is perfectly tailored and suited 26:36 to what God has called him to do. 26:37 And this is where it becomes fun, 26:39 because you see how God does all these things through that, 26:41 become part of your resume and then at the appointed time, 26:44 you could pull that stuff out of your bag of tricks 26:46 and God's got the skill level there 26:48 and you're part of that, you know, that whole scenario. 26:52 So you're president of the university, 26:54 but this, your baby is this new medical institution. 26:58 And you've been there now, 27:00 you told me just several months, 27:02 it's not a long, and long in process 27:06 and God has already beginning to work 27:07 miracle upon miracle upon miracle. 27:09 Absolutely! Absolutely! 27:11 Yeah, first of all, how you're feeling, 27:12 your health is good? 27:13 Oh, excellent! You look great. 27:15 Thank you. So we praise the Lord for that. 27:16 Praise God. We praise the Lord for that. 27:17 I wish you had a picture of your wife. 27:19 You should have brought a picture 27:20 of your wife with you, but when you come back, 27:22 you can bring it with you, or bring your wife. 27:23 Absolutely! 27:24 So you're running a school, how big of a school is it? 27:26 We have 3,000 students. Good size school. 27:27 Yes. Good size school. 27:29 And several deferent departments 27:31 and you're turning out nurses. 27:33 We're turning out nurses in our campus to the west. 27:36 We have IT graduates, graduate and undergraduates. 27:41 We have school of business, the same. 27:44 We have our theology and our nursing. 27:47 This is the main four areas that we are teaching. 27:50 Well, very good. Let me ask you this. 27:52 And this of course is just your opinion, Verlyn. 27:57 How familiar is the government with Adventism 28:01 and what kind of standing 28:02 does the Adventist Church hold in that country? 28:05 And I say that for a particular reason 28:06 which I'll get to you in just a moment. 28:08 Well, nobody, nobody can deny the fact 28:11 that Adventists are well-known. 28:13 Every time I go and meet with a bank official, 28:15 it doesn't matter which bank, they tell me, 28:18 "You know, all of our IT people, 28:20 the programmers of our computers, 28:22 they're all graduates from your university." 28:24 You know that, right? 28:25 When we go to the immigrations, the customs, at the airport, 28:31 many of the agents are Adventists. 28:35 Recently, there was over 1,00,000 baptisms 28:39 in just one year in Rwanda. 28:41 So they are well-known. 28:44 But there's another way that Adventists are known. 28:48 We go to church on Saturday. Yes. 28:50 The third, the last Saturday of the month is Umuganda. 28:55 Umuganda is a day 28:57 where everyone stops in the morning 28:59 and cleans up the country. 29:01 Rwanda is the cleanest country of all of Africa. 29:04 You never see trash anywhere, it's always picked up. 29:07 Once a month, it is the day. 29:09 And so on that Saturday, even the president himself 29:11 goes out and picks up trash, 29:13 because he wants to set a personal example. 29:16 So the Adventists... 29:18 "How do you go to church?" 29:19 Because you can't drive a car without a permit on that day. 29:22 Oh, wow! 29:24 So how do you give that many permits to Adventists? 29:27 So the government 29:30 has authorized the police to look 29:33 if there's a Bible on the seat, that's their pass. 29:37 If there's an Adult Sabbath School lesson quarterly 29:39 or even a photocopy of that lesson quarterly, 29:43 that is their pass and they go on to church 29:45 and then the Adventists on Sunday clean them. 29:48 So obviously the Adventist Church 29:49 is in fairly good standing, 29:51 has a good report among government officials. 29:54 Absolutely, yes. Yeah. Yeah. 29:56 Yeah. That's correct. 29:57 So that, how then did the brethren... 30:00 How do I put this? 30:01 Lay hands on you in particular to do? 30:04 I can see why the government would say, 30:06 "Let's go to the Adventists because they have 30:08 the track record, they have the history, 30:11 they certainly have the health standing to do this." 30:14 Why you? 30:18 That's a really good question. 30:19 Sometimes we don't know why God calls individuals 30:24 and sometimes I question. 30:26 "How does God know about me 30:27 and lead me to these different things?" 30:30 But, of course, we know God is so knowledgeable, 30:32 but the skill set that I had, 30:35 I can see how God has been preparing me 30:38 for many, many years in a humble sense. 30:41 And this is not to be prestigious, 30:44 this is just to do the humble little things. 30:47 The weekend that I arrived, we had no water 30:51 and so I tried to find out why the water wasn't working. 30:56 And, of course, there was a broken valve 30:58 and I had to splice a pipe and there was no thread cutter 31:02 and I had to make my own thread cutter. 31:04 Now how do you make a thread cutter? 31:06 Those in the technical field know that that's a challenge. 31:09 In the spur of the moment, what do you have? 31:11 There's no thread cutting devices there. 31:14 So how do you make a thread cutter? 31:16 God gave me wisdom to do that. 31:18 And I told the boys that were watching me, I said, 31:21 you know, I said, "I haven't done this, 31:23 but I think God has given me the wisdom to do this." 31:26 And after it was successful, the boys wrote 31:29 in their poor English, "God, You bless Your work." 31:34 And that to me was just, there is God witnessing 31:38 through just these humble things, 31:40 that He is blessing us in Africa. 31:43 The day I left Rwanda, I couldn't take a shower 31:46 because we were without water. 31:49 The generator that we have for generating electricity 31:53 had failed, the water pump, the bearing went out. 31:57 And while I've been in the States, 31:58 I was able to have a part flown from the factory in Korea, 32:02 it came two hours before my flight left 32:05 and I was able to bring that part with me 32:08 and I will take it back and repair that. 32:10 So there are critical things that sometimes 32:13 in a foreign country you need expertise, 32:16 you need people that know how to do some of these things. 32:19 Yeah, a lot of things you kind of make up on the fly 32:20 as the need comes. 32:22 Yes. 32:23 Now speaking of that, it's not so much on the fire 32:25 because God gave you a skill set 32:28 going back from early on in your nimiety. 32:30 Tell me about the drill, drilling, 32:34 the water drilling license that you have. 32:36 Well, one would not think, this is a guy, 32:38 he's a professor in college. 32:39 What are you doing with a drilling license? 32:40 But you have one. 32:42 You know, go back to those days in college. 32:43 As I was reading through the Spirit of Prophecy, 32:44 I ran across a quote that suggested that each of us, 32:49 when we start going out on our own, 32:51 we have a little piece of property out in the country 32:53 that we could call our own. 32:55 So shortly after I left college and paid off my school loans, 33:00 I bought a piece of property. 33:02 It about killed me to just make the purchase price 33:06 and it took years to pay it off. 33:07 In fact, I think I owned it 10 years 33:09 before I even walked on the property. 33:12 It was isolated, no road and I wanted to drill a well. 33:15 This is in California? 33:16 This is in California. Uh-huh. 33:17 And so I decided that I would just go to the county 33:23 and request a permit. 33:25 And they said, "No, we can't give you a permit, 33:28 you have to be a licensed driller." 33:30 I said, "No, no, no, I just want to do this myself. 33:32 I will not hire anyone. 33:34 This is on my own property, 33:35 this is not commercial, this is..." 33:37 "No, you can't do it." 33:39 So I wrote to the State of California and they said, 33:42 "Eventually, yes, you can do that," 33:45 but in the meantime I just said, 33:46 "Why am I waiting, 33:47 let me just go and get my license." 33:49 But once I got my license, there were so many people 33:52 wanting wells drilled that I actually began 33:55 during the summer time, while I was working as PUC, 33:58 I was not teaching classes, 33:59 so I began drilling wells for other people. 34:01 I love the outdoors. 34:03 There's nothing so nice than to see gushing water 34:06 and, and that. 34:08 So today, I'm right now negotiating for a contract 34:12 to drill two wells on our campus, 34:15 so that we will have our own water on our campus. 34:16 Praise the Lord. 34:18 A medical school is gonna have to have water and a lot of it. 34:20 Right now the institution is a day institution. 34:23 Those 3,000 students are coming and going, 34:26 except for our nursing program. 34:28 And so we are right now building two dormitories, 34:31 men and women's, a guest house for visiting professors 34:35 because we expect to have many coming from Loma Linda, 34:38 we are partnering with Loma Linda to do this. 34:42 We have a cafeteria that's under construction 34:46 and we are frantically working to get the plans 34:49 for the state-of-the-art medical school laboratory 34:52 to be, be built. 34:54 Wow! So you are gonna need a lot of water. 34:55 Oh, this is not just my effort, this is a team effort. 34:58 And so we have a working committee 35:01 with over 20 members and consulting the best ideas. 35:05 This has to be an exemplary institution. 35:09 You know, if you're a third rate engineer 35:12 and yet you're very spiritual, you know, 35:14 your focus is on spiritual value 35:19 but you're not putting your heart 35:21 into what you're doing. 35:23 Who's gonna want to know what your, 35:26 what you spiritual life is like? 35:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah, sloppy work undercuts the strength 35:29 of your spiritual witness, yeah. 35:30 Absolutely. 35:32 So if we put together 35:33 a state-of-the-art medical school, 35:35 the government is going to say, "Look at this." 35:38 And now look at the other coupling of God, 35:41 the holistic healing, pulling this together, 35:44 this is going to be a game changer 35:47 for all of Africa. 35:48 Because it's not just for Rwanda, 35:51 there are already plans to have 35:53 from the East-Central Africa division 35:55 which is, which is sponsoring this medical school. 35:58 They are the ones that are helping to fund this, 36:02 that's going to be sending out to 11 countries, 36:07 medical doctors. 36:08 So, not just Rwanda, but all of... 36:09 Yeah. 36:11 So they were bringing in students from across 36:12 the face of Africa I suspect. 36:14 That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. 36:15 Yes, and what a way to change medical education. 36:18 Yeah, what a marvelous witness. 36:19 You'd be sending guys out who have the technical skills 36:22 but also have the spiritual undergirding 36:24 to turn their medical work into ministry 36:26 and that's exciting and to be part of that. 36:29 What is your wife doing there now in Africa 36:32 'cause she is a surgical nurse? 36:34 She is a surgical nurse. 36:35 Is she teaching at all 36:36 or she practicing her trade there? 36:38 Right now in Rwanda, 36:39 there is no course for basic life support. 36:44 Even the doctors and nurses... 36:47 There was an incident 36:49 where a man was not feeling well, 36:52 he went in to seek medical attention 36:55 and there in the office, he passed out. 36:58 And the doctors and nurses just kind of stood around. 37:01 "Well, what's gonna happen next? 37:02 Is he gonna revive? 37:04 Is something gonna happen?" 37:05 I mean, these are critical moments. 37:07 And so teaching the steps to do right then 37:11 is what needs to be done. 37:14 I met with the minister of health, she said, 37:17 "I am thrilled to know that your wife 37:20 is going to be teaching this basic life support 37:23 to the nurses. 37:24 And as they go in to do their clinicals 37:26 at the hospitals, they will actually have 37:28 a superior knowledge for basic life support 37:31 than what the nurses 37:33 who work there on a daily basis. 37:34 And already twice this first aid training 37:38 has been beneficial." 37:40 Wow! 37:41 So not only is she teaching some of the first, 37:45 the basic life support courses, she certified 37:48 with the American Heart Association, 37:50 which also gives these international students, 37:52 "Wow! 37:53 I am certified with a card 37:55 from the American Heart Association." 37:57 It gives them some credibility as they go for their clinicals. 38:00 And so she is also assisting me as my executive assistant. 38:07 Praise the Lord. 38:08 She is... She is keeping things going 38:10 when I am not there. 38:12 And writing letters, 38:13 communicating and she's got a big smile. 38:17 You'll see someday when you meet her. 38:19 She welcomes people, 38:20 but then tries to get the daily work done. 38:22 Right now we're planning for a graduation 38:25 which is September 8, 9 and 10, that's our annual graduation. 38:31 So a lot of irons in the fire. 38:33 Have you broken ground on the medical school as of yet 38:36 or that's still to come? 38:38 We have broken ground on those four buildings, 38:41 the dormitories, the cafeteria, and the guest house, 38:46 a 21 unit guesthouse, two-storey. 38:48 Yeah. Yes. 38:50 Because that we are going to be using that, 38:52 we are looking for Maranatha workers, 38:55 not just volunteers, we want skilled tradesmen. 38:58 As soon as we have the plans approved, 39:01 we want Maranatha to bring waves of teams... 39:03 Oh, okay. 39:05 To stay in the guest house 39:06 and quickly build the state-of-the-art building. 39:08 We want top-notch technicians. 39:11 So this building is truly exemplary 39:14 of what the Adventists Church can do. 39:15 Your teaching staff for the anticipate hospital 39:18 is going to come from where? 39:20 We will have some local teachers. 39:21 We already have two in place. Okay. 39:24 One is Rwandan, a very, very fine doctor. 39:30 We also just have another one 39:32 that has come just a few months ago. 39:35 He was trained in the US 39:38 and he comes with vast experiences. 39:42 So right now is... 39:44 Remember, just because I'm the president, 39:46 that does not mean I'm all with the brains, 39:48 just one little piece. 39:50 And so bringing these professionals together 39:53 and then listening to the medical needs 39:56 and working with Loma Linda, I spent last week, 40:00 with meetings at Loma Linda and then meetings with 40:03 three world-famous architectural firms. 40:06 We're right now working with one architectural firm 40:10 that has constructed 10, they've designed 14, 40:13 but they've worked in constructing 40:16 10 new medical schools since the year 2000. 40:20 This is a very, very advanced 40:23 state-of-the-art architectural firm 40:25 specifically for medical school. 40:27 And we've had the privilege of working with them. 40:29 So working with these doctors that are coming in, 40:32 working with experience from Loma Linda, 40:36 with the General Conference, 40:38 with East-Central Africa Division, 40:41 we're pulling all the brightest minds together 40:44 and trying to build this state-of-the-art. 40:47 Is the government putting any funding into this 40:50 or this is mostly the division? 40:53 The division and donations. Okay. 40:57 Right now, the... Or let's go back. 40:59 In the '70s, 1970s, 41:02 I believe that Rwanda had two kilometers of paved roads. 41:08 Since this, the 1970s, we have paved roads 41:12 from border to border. 41:14 Oh, okay. Very good. 41:15 They have been working frantically. 41:18 You mentioned earlier the size of Kigali. 41:20 Kigali will triple in size between now and the year 2030. 41:25 Oh, wow! 41:27 So this is a very progressive city. 41:29 Skyscrapers going up everywhere. 41:31 Yeah, and I was gonna... 41:32 When I've seen it shocked me about 41:34 this sort of economic 41:35 because Rwanda is not sort of a dirt, 41:38 poor, third world kind of a situation, 41:39 it's a little more progressive than, than that. 41:41 No, it is the cleanest of all countries. 41:44 It is the safest. 41:47 Wow, you make a trip to Rwanda just once 41:50 and you'll realize how safe the country is 41:53 and it's very, very progressive. 41:54 So the government has wonderful relations. 41:58 The president has just been reelected recently 42:03 with a landslide 98% of the vote. 42:07 This is, this is tremendous and there are no corrupt polls. 42:10 I mean, this country has thrown away corruption. 42:13 They are really working well. 42:16 So they don't have the money 42:19 to just give us to build a medical school. 42:22 I mean, we're talking about 50, 60 million 42:25 is what I'm, what I'm looking at in the end. 42:27 Where's that money coming from? I'm not worried, God knows. 42:31 Yes, I mean, yes. 42:32 He's gonna touch the right people 42:34 in the right time. 42:35 But we do have the agreement that any of the containers 42:39 for medical supplies 42:40 and construction of the medical school, 42:42 that's gonna be coming in from now on tax-free. 42:45 Oh, praise God. So no duty. 42:46 Yeah, they could soak you just on duty 'cause, I mean... 42:49 Absolutely. 42:50 Import duties can be skyrocketing. 42:52 They almost put their, their price on it, 42:53 you need the material, you got to get it in. 42:55 You know, I'll just, I'll just give you 42:56 just one little example. 42:57 I'm seeing on a, on a weekly basis, 43:00 just evidences of God's blessing. 43:02 This is what I'm, why I'm so excited 43:04 about God's call to Rwanda, 43:06 because I see daily the things that are happening. 43:09 When I first went there, 43:11 of course, I don't know anything. 43:12 You know, I'm supposed to be the president 43:13 but I don't know anything. 43:15 And so the chair of the board is electing, 43:20 voting in a vice president for public relations for me. 43:24 And I lean over and I say, "I don't need him. 43:27 I need a year to get my feet on the ground. 43:30 I don't need him. 43:31 Let's do some other things, 43:33 save the money for something else." 43:37 You just be patient 43:38 and he voted him through anyway. 43:40 He didn't listen to me. So... 43:43 You're only the president, what? 43:44 Yeah. 43:46 So as the months went by I kept saying, 43:48 "It's a good thing he's still busy, 43:50 because I don't need him." 43:52 Months, months, it was, it was... 43:54 It was probably seven months after I'd been there. 43:58 One day, I came home and I was talking to my wife. 44:01 I said, "You know, Anita, 44:03 for the first time I need that medical doctor. 44:07 I need what he has to offer. 44:09 And, and I don't know how we're gonna get him 44:11 because he's working so well where he is at 44:15 and he's been so useful there, 44:17 that I don't know when he's gonna 44:18 ever be replaced and that's a tough assignment." 44:22 The next morning, he walked into my office 44:26 and said, "Last week the government 44:29 approved of another SDA person to take my place. 44:34 I've already made housing arrangements. 44:37 I'm here to take whatever assignment I have, 44:40 that you have for me." 44:44 God knew. Yes. Yes. Yes. 44:46 You know, before they call Isaiah 65:24. 44:51 Yeah. Yeah. Praise the Lord. 44:53 A couple of things before our time gets away from us. 44:55 One, what is this done for your spirituality, 44:59 this new challenge at this stage in you life, 45:02 when you were at one time contemplating retirement. 45:05 Of course, you've gotten, you've been retread, 45:07 not retired. 45:08 What is this done for your spirituality, 45:09 you and your wife? 45:11 Oh, let me tell you. 45:13 My wife and I are closer and we're closer to the Lord. 45:17 There are difficulties in the mission field. 45:21 It's not easy. There are trying times. 45:27 There are moments of discouragement, 45:29 but we've learned to trust in God 45:31 and we're forced to trust Him even more. 45:32 Amen! 45:34 So we draw closer to God, we draw closer to each other. 45:37 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 45:39 I'm hoping you would say because, 45:40 when you step out like this, 45:43 you really have to depend upon the Lord. 45:47 Next question and I put it in this order. 45:49 The biggest change as to what you thought it might be 45:55 as to what it was when you actually got on the ground? 45:58 You follow my question? Yes. 46:00 And, of course, every one of us have preconceived ideas. 46:02 Yes. 46:04 Having spent six years in Bolivia, 46:05 it's easy to say, 46:07 "Oh, you know, I've been through that before, 46:08 I kind of know what to expect," you never do. 46:13 It's all different. It's very, very true. 46:15 And the challenges are unique. 46:18 I've learned that wherever you go, 46:20 the people are wonderful. 46:21 Agree. Yeah, yeah. 46:23 The people are wonderful. Yeah. 46:25 But there's challenges along the way. 46:28 How do you build a good team that works together? 46:31 How do you pull together the right resources 46:34 to make this the best it can be? 46:37 And so we need God through all these circumstances 46:40 to guide us in tough decisions. 46:43 And through the experiences, we're learning, 46:46 we have to even pray and trust Him more. 46:49 Amen! Amen. 46:50 We learned that God sends people 46:52 to be answers to our prayers. 46:55 And so, you know, I was blessed at ASI 46:59 when some people said, you know, 47:01 "Hey, here's something to help your, 47:03 the work there." 47:05 Amen! 47:06 You know, that God is touching people. 47:08 And as we look at this huge project, 47:11 I'm just excited that God can use me, little me. 47:15 Amen! Yes. Yes. 47:17 I didn't expect three and a half years ago 47:19 that I would even be around, you know. 47:21 With liver cancer I was given, you know, 47:23 three to six months maximum to live. 47:25 Yes. Yes. Yeah. 47:27 And so, you know, you'd be on wondering, 47:29 "Wow! What have I done in my life?" 47:31 You know life is really short, you know. 47:35 And so now to know that God has helped through that 47:39 and He's called you for a task, 47:42 I am passionate in my heart to say, 47:46 "I am privileged to be part of this." 47:49 In the beginning, you know, when I had that cancer, 47:53 I said, "Why me, Lord?" 47:55 "I've never, I've been a vegetarian 47:57 virtually all my life. 47:59 I've never had alcohol. 48:01 I've never smoked, never tried drugs 48:03 I've been a healthy person all my life. 48:06 Why me?" 48:07 Now I say, "Yeah, why me, Lord? 48:10 How is it that You reached down from heaven 48:13 and touched me, healed me, 48:15 and sent you on this awesome assignment?" 48:17 I mean, this is suddenly a whole new dimension. 48:20 Oh, it is, it is and it makes you pass 48:22 because your trial has become a testimony 48:25 to the goodness of the Lord. 48:26 How... 48:28 You know, when something like that happens, 48:30 you sit back and you say, 48:31 "That's got to be God, that's nothing else but God." 48:35 So now you're walking in the way of God. 48:39 And is there, Verlyn, a better feeling 48:42 than to be in the center of God's Will, 48:44 doing what God wants you to do? 48:46 Absolutely not. Yeah. 48:47 You know, you can forget about my salary. 48:52 Which I don't imagine is astronomical, 48:54 so we're not talking about that. 48:57 Money can never buy satisfaction. 48:59 Amen. Amen. 49:01 One soul brought to the kingdom, 49:05 it gives a thrill that every pastor as you know 49:10 is just thrilling to see someone to come to God. 49:14 And when... 49:15 I have the humble position 49:17 of being a university president trying to draw hearts 49:21 of about 50% of our students to God, 49:26 to see them filling the conference hall 49:30 for our church service, 49:32 to see the auditorium filled with students listening. 49:37 It's a thrill to know that they are hearing about God. 49:41 Here's what's exciting to me. 49:43 I need to ask you this question 49:44 and I was going to forgot to do it before. 49:45 How much of your student body is Adventist 49:47 and how much the non-Adventist? 49:49 About 50-50. So 50-50. Okay. 49:51 So you've got a mission field 49:54 right there in front of you every week. 49:55 Every day. Yeah, every day. 49:57 Yeah, surely, surely, surely, that must be exciting. 49:59 And here is something else that I picked up from you 50:03 when we first began speaking, 50:06 that sort of emanate under grudge your passion also. 50:09 The fact that this program once it is up and running, 50:13 will have tentacles throughout all of Africa. 50:16 This is much bigger than Rwanda. 50:18 Absolutely. Yeah. 50:19 This is gonna go all out, throughout the continent. 50:22 This is a game changer. Yeah. 50:24 Precisely, well said, well said. 50:25 I can hardly wait to see the architectural plans 50:28 that we were talking about last week with the architects, 50:31 because there are brand new concepts 50:34 that someday, 50:35 I'll be able to share with others as we move forward 50:40 and quickly establishing this brand new 50:42 state-of-the-art medical school. 50:44 Yeah. Yeah. 50:45 I'm so thankful for the willingness 50:47 of Loma Linda to partner 50:48 and be such a important player in it. 50:50 I'm so grateful to the General Conference 50:53 who is supporting this wholeheartedly. 50:55 I'm so grateful 50:56 for the East Central Africa Division, 50:58 who has hosted it, who is saying, 51:01 "We want this in Rwanda, we want this to be 51:04 our division medical school," 51:06 and it's just thrilling to see how God is blessing. 51:09 Oh, praise the Lord. 51:10 You know, I'm thinking 51:12 and we're coming down to our time, 51:14 we want to give the contact information. 51:17 I ask people all the time. 51:18 "Do you think Wintley Phipps knows 51:20 that he can sing?" 51:21 Well, of course, he knows he can sing. 51:23 You know what he signs? 51:24 Well, he sung for every president from, 51:25 you know, going back as far as we're in school together 51:27 and he sung for heads of state. 51:30 You have a certain skill set, God has given you 51:33 a good logical mind, 51:35 you gotten your doctorate degree, 51:37 but none of that means anything 51:39 until you put it in the hands of the Lord, 51:41 who takes your skills 51:43 and makes it ministry, you know. 51:45 So it's more than just what you can do 51:48 is that what God can do through you using the skill set 51:51 that He's allowed you to get. 51:53 You know, I'll never forget when I did my Master's program. 51:56 My committee chair asked me one day. 51:59 He said, "Verlyn, come here, I want to ask you a question. 52:02 Where did you get your college education?" 52:05 I said, "Well, you know, you have all my paperwork, 52:07 it was at Pacific Union College." 52:08 "No, no, no, certainly it was at 52:11 some big prestigious university." 52:14 I said, "No, why do you ask?" 52:16 He said, "You've been the brightest student 52:19 in our program for many years." 52:22 You know, to me... 52:23 Remember, I went to PUC, why? For spiritual... 52:26 Yeah, you want spiritual component, sure. 52:28 And always comes from God. Amen! 52:30 So God blessed my studies. 52:32 He blessed my work with him. 52:34 And I always wondered about that. 52:37 Would I have gotten a better education 52:38 had I gone to MIT?" 52:40 God rewarded me open by hearing the words. 52:43 "No, you're the best trained." Amen. Amen. 52:44 Well said. Well said. Well said. 52:46 This is an exciting project. 52:48 And as we see the hand of God throughout all of this 52:52 and as we said, it's gonna have tentacles 52:53 throughout all of Africa, maybe even the world. 52:56 The Adventist University of Central Africa, 52:59 here is the contact information. 53:02 Should you want to know more about it, 53:04 perhaps you are being impressed to fund some of it, 53:07 to get some monies to this project. 53:09 I'm sure they will accept 53:11 anything that would come to your heart to give 53:14 or just to find out more about 53:16 how you may be able to support this work. 53:18 Here is the contact information that you will need. 53:23 The main goal of the Rwanda's Adventist 53:25 University of Central Africa, 53:27 is to restore the relationship between man and his God, 53:30 thereby leading its students to discover 53:32 and understand truth. 53:34 Visit their website auca.ac.rw for more information 53:39 about their programs and campus life. 53:42 If you have questions, 53:44 you may call them at 269-208-2287, 53:49 or write to them at the Adventist University 53:51 of Central Africa in care of Janetta Benson, 53:55 P.O. 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