I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my word
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome to
another 3ABN Today program.
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We are so glad
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that you have
joined us again today.
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Maybe you're listening on
3ABN Radio, watching online,
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of course through television
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but we appreciate you at home
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or wherever you are
being part of 3ABN's family
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because it's
definitely a team, isn't it?
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Some of you, I
know, have stood with 3ABN
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since before 3ABN
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probably really
wasn't in existence.
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You've been there
with Danny Shelton
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as God was leading him
and building this station.
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Thank you for your
prayers and financial support
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through all the years
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and some of you
maybe have just started.
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Thank you because
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you are making a difference
in somebody's life today
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and that's the
beautiful thing of 3ABN.
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It's 24 hours a day
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spreading the gospel
around the entire world
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and it's neat because
even when we're sleeping,
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hopefully you
sleep, you should sleep.
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Let's hope so.
It's good for you.
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The message is
going and that's just,
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it's just powerful
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because here at
the office at 3ABN,
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we get letters on a daily basis,
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emails coming of how people
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are accepting the
Lord Jesus Christ,
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so it's a blessing.
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So thank you again.
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Now today we
have a neat interview.
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It's actually...
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Well, should we tell
people who we have here with us?
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We should absolutely
because I'm excited about this.
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We have part of the
3ABN team with us here.
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We sure do.
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And you might say,
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"Well I don't see
these people all the time
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but that's because
they are from down under.
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Down under? Down under.
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Wow. Down under.
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We have part of our
3ABN Australia team here
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and we're focusing specifically
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during this interview
about 3ABN Australia Radio
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so I'm excited
about what God's doing.
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To find out more about it,
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we have Ettienne
McClintock with us
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and you are really in-charge
of 3ABN Australia Radio.
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You're producer and host?
And host, that's correct, yes.
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It's lovely to be here
and finally be on the studio.
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I've seen this so many
times over so many years
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and finally to be sitting here
and enjoying the studio setup,
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it's magnificent.
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We're very glad that
you could actually join us,
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you know, because
you're part of the team
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and we'll get a
little bit of your story
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and how God has led
you to 3ABN Australia Radio
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and it's neat to see
how God uses all of us,
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isn't it, to
help spread his word.
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Amen. Yeah.
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We have someone
sitting next to you
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that is not a stranger to 3ABN.
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It's Mr. John
Malkiewycz, you and your wife,
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we appreciate your dedication
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to the Lord's work at 3ABN
Australia Radio, television,
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and all that it encompasses,
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you know, to put a
lot of time into that.
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It's really a pleasure
to be here with the family
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because I see 3ABN as a family,
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and I'm sure you
folk out there enjoy 3ABN,
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and we want to be
part of finishing the work
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before Jesus comes.
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Amen. Amen.
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I remember years ago,
I was at the call center,
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where we were working on
some printings, printing,
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I think it was a
flier or a magazine
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or something where I saw
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you and your
wife's picture years ago.
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You look the same. I like that.
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You're my
friend. We're doing well.
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And there was in the picture,
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there was this couple, it
was you, you and your wife,
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and I think there
were some satellite dishes
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on top of was it a
Toyota Land Cruiser?
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It was a
shortwave baseline cruiser
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and it hopped like
this all across Australia.
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Yes, and I remember the article.
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It was...
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Well, we didn't know who...
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I didn't know
really who you were,
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but the work that you were
doing was really going around
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all of Australia
which is a huge country.
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It's about
20,000 miles that we did
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to circumnavigate
the whole of Australia.
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Twenty thousand miles? Yes.
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Wow.
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Setting up
satellite dishes for people.
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Yeah. That's right.
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Back then, it wasn't
one of those little ones,
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they were eight feet...
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Oh, the big ones.
Eight feet in diameter.
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So that little Land
Cruiser was so laden,
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it was unbelievable
that we did what we did,
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but you know, God had a
purpose and he got us around.
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And that was really the
beginning of 3ABN Australia
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and it's neat to
see what God has done.
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Now to God be the glory,
great things he has done.
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That's very exciting.
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We're glad to
have both of you here.
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Thank you.
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Yes, we're excited to find out
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more especially
about 3ABN Australia Radio
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and what God's doing
through the airwaves,
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through the radio.
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Before we go to our music,
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we always want
to read a scripture
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and I ask Ettienne, if
there is a certain scripture
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that you like with
3ABN Australia Radio
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and this is from
Revelation 12:11.
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The Bible says, "And
they will proclaim Him
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by the blood of the Lamb
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and by the word
of their testimony,
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and they did not love
their lives to the death."
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So Ettienne, why
does this specific verse,
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why does this verse
specifically speak to you
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with 3ABN Australia Radio?
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Look, one of the programs
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we developed at 3ABN
Australia Radio is testimonies,
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people sharing
their testimonies.
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It's very powerful to see
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how God has
intervened in people's lives
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where they've made
an absolute U-turn.
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They were walking
away from the Lord,
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you know, they were living
according to their sensuality,
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you know, all the senses
were controlling the mind
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and then seeing God transform
and change people's lives.
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That's something
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that somebody
can't argue against,
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you know, it changes
life as a great witness.
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And here it talks about
that it overcame by the blood
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of the Lamb
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because obviously that's Christ
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who justifies us and
saves us and makes us holy
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and then the testimonies
are another part of it.
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So I believe it's very important
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and, of course,
ultimately if they do get tested
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and their faith gets tested,
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they will be prepared
to lay down their life,
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because they've
already died in Christ.
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Amen.
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So it's a beautiful
text and one of our programs
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is actually based on this called
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By the Word of Their Testimony
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where people come
and share their testimony
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how God has transformed
and changed their lives,
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taken them from being
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miserable people at times to now
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transforming their
lives and give them love, joy,
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and peace and
purpose in their lives.
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And, you know, and actually
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a little bit
later on in the program
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we're going to
have a few snippets,
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if that might be
a word we could use,
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of some of the programming
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that you are
doing and getting ready
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to start airing soon.
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So that's something
to look forward here too
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in this program.
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But before we get
into 3ABN Australia Radio,
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a little of your testimony,
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we want to go to
some music, don't we?
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And we have Steve
Darmody with us today.
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And he is going to do the
song The Time That Remains.
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I know my days were numbered
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Before I drew my first breath
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And I have no way of knowing
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When I'll close my eyes in death
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I only have this moment
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And before it slips away
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I want to make a difference
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While it's still called
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Today
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In the time that remains
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I will lift high the cross
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And in Jesus' name be a light
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For the lost
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I pray I won't live
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One moment in vain
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For all that I have
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Is the time that remains
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The grains of sand are slipping
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Through the hourglass of time
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As I sift
through all the memories
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Of the life I've left behind
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All of my accomplishments
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Will vanish in the wind
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But only what
I've done for Christ
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Will matter in the end
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In the time that remains
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I will lift high the cross
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And in Jesus' name be a light
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For the lost
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I pray I won't live
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One moment in vain
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For all that I have is the time
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That remains
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Every minute
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Every hour of every day
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With all my heart and soul
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I know I'll find a way
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In the time that remains
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I will lift high the cross
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And in Jesus' name be a light
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For the lost
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I pray I won't live
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One moment in vain
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For all that I have
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Is the time
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That remains
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For all
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That I have
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Is the time
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That remains
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Amen. Thank you, Steve Darmody.
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We could actually
say Pastor Steve Darmody
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because not only
does he minister in music
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but he is also a pastor
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in a Seventh-day
Adventist Church,
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so it's a blessing.
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Thank you, again for
sharing the music with us today.
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You know, time is
something we cannot get back,
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you think about that,
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you know, every
moment of every day,
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we want to be
spending that doing something
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for the Lord Jesus
Christ, that's for sure.
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And again if you're
joining us, I shouldn't say,
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shame on you but anyway
if you've just joined us,
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thank you.
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We are delighted. We are.
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Yeah, that you
joined us again today.
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We have Ettienne
Mcclintock with us
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and you're head of
3ABN Australia Radio
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and we have John Malkiewycz
and you're the general manager.
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He is the head of
the head basically.
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There you go.
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Well said of 3ABN
Australia, you and your wife,
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and so we appreciate the work
that you guys have done for,
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is it 14, 15 years?
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Yes, it is.
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Fourteen years since
I've been in Australia.
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It's incredible what
God has done for sure.
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Now you've just been put
in this position recently.
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You've just joined the staff
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at 3ABN Australia
in the last few months.
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That's right. You and your wife.
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Correct.
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You know, before we
actually get into the testimony,
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I'm just thinking about radio.
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And so a question
that comes to my mind.
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Is radio
actually still relevant?
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When you think about technology
and how things are going,
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when I think of
radio, I think of,
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you know, a little box with,
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you know, an
antenna that you pull out
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and they still sell
those and you think of long ago
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some people can think of that.
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So someone may say, "Radio?
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Why are we even
thinking about radio?
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You know, we're way past that.
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We've got cell phones
and all the TV and stuff."
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Look, contrary to
the popular opinion
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back in the 80s video
didn't kill the radio star.
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Radio is still very
important. They're so versatile.
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If you're going to sit
in front of a television,
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what you've going to do?
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Sit down and plan the
time, you can't really do much.
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A lot of people are
now-a-days are on their phone,
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you know, they're sort
of multitasking in a way,
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they're watching Facebook,
watching a bit of television,
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but with radio, you can
work, you can be driving,
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you can be doing other things
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and now you're not
supposed to watch television
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while you're
driving, That's good.
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So that is a much
safer option. Oh, yeah.
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People listen to music,
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they will now
stream through Spotify,
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or Stitcher, or
Pandora one of those,
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so people... TuneIn.
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TuneIn, yeah,
listen to news, music,
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current programs
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that could be to
do with talkback radio
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because quite often
people are little bit lonely,
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you see and radio can be very,
very good company for them.
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For example, we
had a lady contact us
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not too long ago saying
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that she used to
suffer from nightmares.
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For years, she had
problem with nightmares
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and she would be
scared to go to sleep
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but she obviously has to
sleep, you can't avoid sleeping,
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and every time she sleeps
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she would have
these terrible nightmares.
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So then she came
across our radio signal
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and started
listening to 3ABN Radio
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and she just let
that play quietly at night
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while she was
sleeping and from then onwards,
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according to her testimony,
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she has had a beautiful
night's sleep ever since.
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It's likely that she is inviting
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the presence of the Lord
into her home and into her room
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and she just has a
great peaceful sleep,
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so even when people are sleeping
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you can't do that, boy,
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I guess, you could do
that with a television,
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but the light
might keep you awake.
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Right.
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Radio, you can
listen to in the dark.
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Very versatile,
and we, of course,
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create a lot of programs.
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It could be testimonies,
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it could be even be talkback
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because we do broadcast Bible
answers live with Pastor Doug,
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we get it from
over here as well,
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so that is a
talkback in the sense
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that people ring
up and ask questions.
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We also have faith programs,
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you know, just some
regards to people's salvation,
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teaching the scriptures,
we have science programs,
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we talk about faith and science,
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we talk about
evolution and creation,
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and why there
is so much evidence
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and belief in creation
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and we also talk
about faith and finance,
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and what good
stewardship looks like.
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So there's a number of
programs that we actually run
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and people are
getting good education
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while they're
driving around in their cars,
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while they're working in
the garden, very versatile.
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Always slightly
biased, but still radio,
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radio is number one in my books.
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Yeah, now of
course we have 3ABN radio
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as well and so
we see definitely,
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I mean, the lord reaches
people in many different aspects
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in 3ABN radio and 3ABN...
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Well, we have 3ABN radio Latino
and we have Australia as well
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and it definitely has
its place in the Lord.
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Well, there's some
amazing stories actually.
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I know you're going to
share some more with us.
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But let's go back then to
a little bit of your story
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so people get to know
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who you are and how the
Lord has worked in your life.
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So maybe start
out as a young child.
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As a young child?
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Okay, I was born in South Africa
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in Cape Town, beautiful place,
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that's still
probably my favorite place
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in the world,
maybe slightly biased,
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but it is just a
magnificent place.
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Cape Town city is
right just off the water
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and then you have this
mountain jutting behind it.
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It goes about a mild high.
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And if you go
around the coastline
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to the other side
from the Bloubergstr
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and, you look across,
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it's flat, flat, flat
at the top of the mountain.
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And quite often, you know,
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you have a bit of
a cloud cover over it
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so they say the
table has been decorated,
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you know, tablecloth on it.
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Beautiful part of the world.
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So I was born there,
raised in a Christian home.
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My mum was a fourth
generation Sabbath keeper,
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now I don't say
Seventh-day Adventist
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because her great
grandfather was a Bible student
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and just used to go
to church on Sunday.
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And by reading through
the Bible a number of times,
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he came to the realization
he never saw a change
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from Saturday to
Sunday or vice versa,
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all he reads
about is the Sabbath
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even in the New Testament.
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So after reading that,
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him and his family
started keeping the Sabbath.
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And they didn't even know
about Seventh-day Adventist,
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so it was not
until a few years later
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that they came
across the Adventist faith
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and then joined the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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So that's on my mum side
and I praise God for that.
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On my dad's
side, we were probably,
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how can I put it?
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Yes, we had a
heathen background.
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My grandparents
never went to church.
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However, in South Africa,
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you know, Bible and
school was an important aspect
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even in the government schools.
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They used to have
worship in the morning
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so what happens is
to be with your friends,
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you would go to church,
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so they'll send them
off with five or ten cents
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to put in the offering plate
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and my dad
would put in ten cents
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and grab twenty cents change
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because he was quite
devious when he was younger.
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What was that, Ettienne?
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He put five cents and
take ten cents, right?
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That's right.
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You could take
change when you need it.
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He was kind of stealing
from the plate as he went by.
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Well, that's right. Yeah, yeah.
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That was a blessing
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but obviously not the
one that the Lord had given.
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We definitely
don't encourage that.
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We do not encourage that.
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And my grandmother,
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she was actually
someone who could tell fortune,
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so she could tell the future.
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She'd read tea leaves and so on.
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And then my Aunts, so...
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Into the occult a bit here.
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Yes, yes, yes,
could see spirits,
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they call them ghosts and so,
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but I have full
understanding of the occult
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and what evil spirits do
and masquerade and so on.
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And then my aunt as
well, she got involved.
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She had a
familiar spirit with her
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who would go around
and even when they moved,
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this being would
find her and be with her.
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So what happened was
when she finally became
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a Seventh-day Adventist,
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she had a hard
time getting out of that
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but God protected
and brought her through.
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Praise the Lord. So
that was the background.
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My dad saw it, but he
finally then became a person
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that went on to study
theology and became a pastor
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for 45 years in
Australia, New Zealand,
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and in South Africa.
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So I'm a PK.
Okay, a preacher's kid.
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That's right.
It's neat, isn't it?
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When you look back at how
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God plucks people
out of when you say,
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bondage to a Satan and
how he is using you now,
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so how did you...
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I mean, I know that
we can fast forward,
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but to where you're now
at 3ABN Australia Radio,
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how did God bring
you to 3ABN Australia?
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Well, actually it
goes back a few years
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I think when John and
Rosemary started 3ABN,
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it would have been in
the early years anyway,
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we had a friend
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who was a pastor
and John and Rosemary
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traveled around
Australia promoting 3ABN,
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putting in
satellite dishes and so on.
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Then we went
across to New Zealand.
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We were living...
Sorry, I missed that part.
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We lived in New
Zealand at that time.
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You were working in New Zealand?
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Yes.
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And you obviously
didn't drive your little...
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No.
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We didn't have
a propeller on it.
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So you went there to
install satellite dishes.
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Yes, we did. And
you met Ettienne?
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That's where I met John.
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Now, Rosemary had met
my wife prior to that.
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They went to the same church
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in Perth on the
western side of Australia,
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WA and so she
was happy to catch up
00:19:16.72\00:19:19.42
with Michelle when
she heard the name.
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So we met them, they were
there for three or four days
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and when we moved to Australia,
about four years ago now,
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that's when we caught
up with John and Rosemary
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going to same
church that we attended.
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And then
subsequent to that after John
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got to know me a little better,
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and we took a few
Sabbath school lessons
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backwards and forward.
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He probably felt
confident enough to ask me
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to become part of the
committee or the board.
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The board.
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So I've been in
the board for almost,
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it would be close
to two years no, John?
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Getting close. Yeah.
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And subsequent to that,
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I left my work with
Sanitarium Health and Wellbeing
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which is part
00:19:49.42\00:19:50.75
of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church's health work
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and then John said,
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"Look, we may have an
opportunity for you on radio
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if you consider that."
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And one thing led to
another and a few months ago,
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I started with radio.
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Amen.
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I wonder before we
get into the radio aspect
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I just want to take you
back for one more moment.
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So you were raised as
a pastor's kid, right?
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From the age of 10.
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My dad went to
study as an adult student,
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went to study the Bible
when I was about six years old
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at Helderberg College,
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the Seventh-day
Adventist College
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down the bottom of
South Africa, yeah.
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So then did you remain
a Seventh-day Adventist?
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Were you committed?
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Did you fall in love with Jesus
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and remained a
Seventh-day Adventist
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through those years
or was there some time
00:20:27.56\00:20:29.32
when you had a
little wandering experience?
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I had a few
wandering experiences,
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come to the lord,
wander, and come and so on.
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But what happened
is at the age of 15,
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I actually got baptized,
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and I was very
sincere at that time
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but I didn't
understand the gospel.
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Now I was even saved
00:20:41.87\00:20:43.20
because my dad's the
person who baptized me.
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I was his first
baptismal candidate.
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The second person he
baptized was 82 years old
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but I was the first one.
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Wow, that's sweet.
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Yes, 15 to 82 is quite a spread.
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And I was about 8 to 10
when I was baptized that day.
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And I said to my dad,
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"Look, why do I
need to get baptized?
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I've been brought up
00:20:58.19\00:20:59.52
in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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I mean, I'm here, I've arrived.
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Why do I need to get baptized?
00:21:02.29\00:21:03.63
I understand if
people come from,
00:21:03.66\00:21:04.99
you know, from
secularism or they come from,
00:21:05.03\00:21:07.46
you know, some funny beliefs
00:21:07.50\00:21:08.96
or they come from other
Christian denominations."
00:21:09.00\00:21:11.27
I understand why they needed
00:21:11.30\00:21:12.63
that rite of
passage into the church
00:21:12.67\00:21:14.57
but I'm here, I was born there,
00:21:14.60\00:21:15.94
my mother was
born in the church,
00:21:15.97\00:21:17.37
her father was
born in the church.
00:21:17.41\00:21:18.74
I didn't understand that,
00:21:18.77\00:21:20.11
but I knew there
was a rite of passage
00:21:20.14\00:21:21.48
and that's how you
get your membership,
00:21:21.51\00:21:22.84
so many got baptized.
00:21:22.88\00:21:24.21
And I understood, you know,
00:21:24.25\00:21:25.58
some of the fundamental beliefs,
00:21:25.61\00:21:26.95
I understood
Daniel and the Revelation,
00:21:26.98\00:21:28.32
the typical programs
that we would go through,
00:21:28.35\00:21:30.29
but I didn't understand
the significance of baptism,
00:21:30.32\00:21:33.12
that baptism actually means
00:21:33.15\00:21:35.02
that you baptize
into the death of Christ
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and then when
you raise your body,
00:21:37.39\00:21:38.73
you rise to a new life
and a new life in Christ
00:21:38.76\00:21:40.93
that buried with Him
00:21:40.96\00:21:42.30
and raised as it
says in Romans 6.
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And I spoke to my dad about it,
00:21:44.43\00:21:45.77
funny enough only a
number of months ago,
00:21:45.80\00:21:47.14
and he said, "Funny, we
spoke about being born again
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but we didn't really understand
00:21:49.77\00:21:51.11
when we were
preaching at that time."
00:21:51.14\00:21:53.17
So I actually got
re-baptized probably around
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about the age of 30-ish...
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Mm-hm.
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Yeah because I
had some wanderings.
00:21:59.38\00:22:00.82
At the age of 21, for example,
00:22:00.85\00:22:02.75
I started getting
into some evolutionary,
00:22:02.78\00:22:05.82
not evolutionary
but atheistic beliefs.
00:22:05.85\00:22:07.89
I had never adopted
evolution as such because
00:22:07.92\00:22:10.69
I didn't have
enough faith for evolution.
00:22:10.73\00:22:12.06
Right. No, that makes sense.
00:22:12.09\00:22:14.03
But in regards
to is there a God,
00:22:14.06\00:22:16.36
I couldn't
explain our existence,
00:22:16.40\00:22:17.77
how we got to be here
because I had some friends
00:22:17.80\00:22:19.43
who were at the university
and I had some influences.
00:22:19.47\00:22:22.07
And then at the age of
21, still going to church,
00:22:22.10\00:22:25.37
but at the age of 21,
00:22:25.41\00:22:26.74
we had an evangelist come
to our town in New Zealand,
00:22:26.78\00:22:28.54
I was living in
Christchurch at the time,
00:22:28.58\00:22:30.28
his name is Pastor Jeff Youlden,
00:22:30.31\00:22:31.91
he does some work with 3ABN.
00:22:31.95\00:22:33.28
He does.
00:22:33.31\00:22:34.65
And anyway so I went to
go and support the programs
00:22:34.68\00:22:36.52
and help out with some
assuring and that sort of thing,
00:22:36.55\00:22:38.42
you know, and I'm listening
00:22:38.45\00:22:39.79
to all these
testimonies regarding prophesy,
00:22:39.82\00:22:43.09
so he is doing
Daniel and Revelation
00:22:43.12\00:22:44.59
but he got into
Ezekiel and Jeremiah
00:22:44.63\00:22:46.53
and he is talking
about what happened to Tyre
00:22:46.56\00:22:49.06
and some of these
other places in Babylon
00:22:49.10\00:22:50.90
and I'm just blown away.
00:22:50.93\00:22:52.27
I'm convinced.
00:22:52.30\00:22:53.64
For some reason, I haven't seen
this before to their clarity
00:22:53.67\00:22:56.60
but God, there is a God
00:22:56.64\00:22:57.97
that knows the end
from the beginning.
00:22:58.01\00:22:59.57
That's right.
00:22:59.61\00:23:00.94
You can actually
test that there is a God
00:23:00.98\00:23:02.51
and Christianity
is the only religion
00:23:02.54\00:23:04.71
that you can actually
test through prophesy.
00:23:04.75\00:23:06.58
And I was just blown,
00:23:06.61\00:23:07.95
I was convinced, there is a God.
00:23:07.98\00:23:09.32
And from then onwards,
00:23:09.35\00:23:10.69
you know, I started just getting
00:23:10.72\00:23:12.05
into a deep
relationship with the Lord,
00:23:12.09\00:23:13.42
sometimes
wandered away, come back,
00:23:13.46\00:23:14.96
deeper
relationship with the Lord,
00:23:14.99\00:23:16.93
get distracted again,
00:23:16.96\00:23:18.29
and then come back
deeper relationship
00:23:18.33\00:23:19.66
with the Lord.
00:23:19.69\00:23:21.03
So it's probably
about three waves
00:23:21.06\00:23:22.40
that I can mention
where I've walked away
00:23:22.43\00:23:24.97
but, you know, there is a
text that says in Proverbs 24:16
00:23:25.00\00:23:27.60
that the righteous
man falls seven times,
00:23:27.64\00:23:30.54
but he doesn't
only get up six times,
00:23:30.57\00:23:32.07
he gets up the
seventh time as well.
00:23:32.11\00:23:34.14
So I praise God, you know,
00:23:34.18\00:23:35.71
that his grace
is sufficient for us
00:23:35.74\00:23:37.15
even though
sometimes we do wander away,
00:23:37.18\00:23:38.78
when we walk away,
00:23:38.81\00:23:40.15
when we don't appreciate
how much he means to us
00:23:40.18\00:23:42.38
that in him we live and
move and have our being,
00:23:42.42\00:23:45.99
you know, I've
come to appreciate
00:23:46.02\00:23:47.56
that so much and
love that so much
00:23:47.59\00:23:49.06
and just to have the opportunity
00:23:49.09\00:23:50.43
and I'm very grateful to
John to have the opportunity
00:23:50.46\00:23:52.46
to share that
across the airwaves,
00:23:52.49\00:23:54.50
what a blessing, you know,
00:23:54.53\00:23:56.50
I'm one of the least that
should be in that position
00:23:56.53\00:23:58.77
but by the grace
of God as Paul says,
00:23:58.80\00:24:00.57
"We are what we
are and God uses us."
00:24:00.60\00:24:02.57
He can even
speak through a donkey
00:24:02.60\00:24:03.94
sometimes when he
is a rebellious prophet
00:24:03.97\00:24:05.31
so why can't God speak to us.
00:24:05.34\00:24:06.98
Well, I think the key to
it is when God calls you,
00:24:07.01\00:24:09.18
you know, He is
going to equip you.
00:24:09.21\00:24:10.55
That's right. Amen.
00:24:10.58\00:24:11.91
If you feel, you know,
that you don't have the skills
00:24:11.95\00:24:13.28
which God has given
you skills obviously,
00:24:13.31\00:24:14.68
I can see that but, you know,
00:24:14.72\00:24:16.05
He is equipping
you so and your wife,
00:24:16.08\00:24:18.12
I know you're married.
00:24:18.15\00:24:19.49
I think we have a
picture of you and your wife
00:24:19.52\00:24:21.76
so that you guys have
been married now, is it 20...
00:24:21.79\00:24:24.96
We're hitting
quarter of a century, yeah.
00:24:24.99\00:24:26.90
Aw, how
precious. What's her name?
00:24:26.93\00:24:30.07
Her name is
Michelle, Michelle Joy.
00:24:30.10\00:24:32.00
And she is the joy of my
name. It's her middle name.
00:24:32.03\00:24:35.90
I think every husband could
say that or should say that.
00:24:35.94\00:24:38.44
Amen.
00:24:38.47\00:24:39.81
And I would second,
third, and fourth that.
00:24:39.84\00:24:41.18
For sure.
00:24:41.21\00:24:42.54
And I've got good
taste, So I'm sure be heard.
00:24:42.58\00:24:45.85
And then I think we also have
a picture of you behind the...
00:24:45.88\00:24:49.62
The microphone. The FM Radio.
00:24:49.65\00:24:50.99
Oh, yes. That's
in the studio, yes.
00:24:51.02\00:24:52.92
This is in the studio there.
00:24:52.95\00:24:54.29
So this is when I do
some half hour program
00:24:54.32\00:24:55.82
so I just sit behind
the program, studio then,
00:24:55.86\00:24:58.39
I can do, well, the
management of the sound.
00:24:58.43\00:25:00.20
But when we do
interviews and so forth,
00:25:00.23\00:25:01.73
we use the studio next door.
00:25:01.76\00:25:03.10
There's little glass
panel just behind the mic
00:25:03.13\00:25:04.80
that you can just make it out.
00:25:04.83\00:25:06.53
And we can have five people
00:25:06.57\00:25:07.90
in there and do a good program.
00:25:07.94\00:25:09.60
So a question for you, John,
I'm thinking back to you know,
00:25:09.64\00:25:12.24
the television,
you and your wife
00:25:12.27\00:25:13.61
have been doing this for a while
00:25:13.64\00:25:14.98
but to head into radio,
00:25:15.01\00:25:16.34
where did you start getting
that impression of the Lord
00:25:16.38\00:25:19.11
to actually start going
00:25:19.15\00:25:20.48
in this direction
several years ago.
00:25:20.52\00:25:22.05
You know, when we
traveled around Australia,
00:25:22.08\00:25:24.45
we came across a lot of
towns way out in the outback
00:25:24.49\00:25:30.23
and out in the remote areas
00:25:30.26\00:25:32.33
and they have a little church
00:25:32.36\00:25:34.20
and I began to
think when I discovered,
00:25:34.23\00:25:36.36
I discovered we knew about
TV when we discovered radio,
00:25:36.40\00:25:39.67
I began to think, Lord,
00:25:39.70\00:25:41.04
you know, there is a
huge potential in radio.
00:25:41.07\00:25:44.11
Absolutely huge because
I thought here we're are,
00:25:44.14\00:25:46.84
we're in a
community, there is a church,
00:25:46.88\00:25:49.14
there is only a
handful of church members.
00:25:49.18\00:25:52.35
If we could get a license
to put an antenna and transmit
00:25:52.38\00:25:56.25
from that church
in that community,
00:25:56.28\00:25:58.52
I began to think the people
would get to another pastor,
00:25:58.55\00:26:02.32
the people would get to know
00:26:02.36\00:26:03.69
what the
Seventh-day Adventist people
00:26:03.73\00:26:06.09
are doing in that community
00:26:06.13\00:26:07.70
and I thought this
is just unbelievable.
00:26:07.73\00:26:10.40
So in our first
trip we told the pastors,
00:26:10.43\00:26:13.64
you need to get a license,
you can have 3ABN Radio.
00:26:13.67\00:26:16.40
Now, at that time it
was 3ABN USA feed, okay,
00:26:16.44\00:26:21.08
coming through the satellite.
00:26:21.11\00:26:22.64
And I said to them,
00:26:22.68\00:26:24.01
"Look you only need
to do one hour a week,
00:26:24.05\00:26:26.48
just one hour a week.
00:26:26.51\00:26:27.85
Put your Sabbath sermon on
00:26:27.88\00:26:29.45
and then you've
got 3ABN programming
00:26:29.48\00:26:31.75
for the rest 24x7.
00:26:31.79\00:26:34.29
And so we
started to tell pastors.
00:26:34.32\00:26:36.79
Some were interested.
00:26:36.83\00:26:38.16
We started off the
3ABN dish initiative
00:26:38.19\00:26:40.96
for people to get
television but also to get radio
00:26:41.00\00:26:44.93
so they could listen
and see 3ABN programming.
00:26:44.97\00:26:48.20
It was really
exciting, you know, to...
00:26:48.24\00:26:51.21
But we went and we went
from one place to the other.
00:26:51.24\00:26:54.31
The Lord led us and, you know,
00:26:54.34\00:26:56.24
it's been over the years
00:26:56.28\00:26:58.18
we've slowly built up
a number of affiliates
00:26:58.21\00:27:01.75
and when we built our studio,
00:27:01.78\00:27:03.62
but in there in
the initial planning
00:27:03.65\00:27:06.05
I said, "Lord, we got
to have a radio studio."
00:27:06.09\00:27:08.52
So by faith. By faith.
00:27:08.56\00:27:10.53
We didn't have
money to equip it.
00:27:10.56\00:27:11.93
There is our ability up the top
00:27:11.96\00:27:14.13
and about the middle at the back
00:27:14.16\00:27:15.80
there is a radio studio
00:27:15.83\00:27:17.67
and it's fitted out wonderfully.
00:27:17.70\00:27:20.24
Now, let me tell
you it sat there empty
00:27:20.27\00:27:22.80
for the first few months
00:27:22.84\00:27:24.54
and someone coming along
00:27:24.57\00:27:26.01
who is now one of our affiliates
00:27:26.04\00:27:27.44
has a number of stations
00:27:27.48\00:27:29.28
that he
transmits around Australia
00:27:29.31\00:27:31.25
and he said, "John,
I've got some money.
00:27:31.28\00:27:33.88
I want to give you some money."
00:27:33.92\00:27:35.25
He came in and saw
the place was empty,
00:27:35.28\00:27:38.49
you know, and he
is a wonderful man.
00:27:38.52\00:27:39.85
So he was like we need
to fill this with equipment.
00:27:39.89\00:27:42.26
So he gave us the
money and it's amazing.
00:27:42.29\00:27:45.29
Someone came in to
look at our studios
00:27:45.33\00:27:48.13
and he didn't say anything,
we showed him the radio,
00:27:48.16\00:27:50.50
this is where we're
going to have radio.
00:27:50.53\00:27:52.77
And, you know, a few
weeks later he rang up.
00:27:52.80\00:27:55.24
He says, I'm retiring,
00:27:55.27\00:27:56.67
I feel God is leading
me to come and be involved.
00:27:56.71\00:28:01.04
And so I said okay. He
came in as a volunteer then?
00:28:01.08\00:28:04.85
He wanted to come as a volunteer
00:28:04.88\00:28:06.25
and so we went out in
faith, bought the equipment,
00:28:06.28\00:28:09.88
he came down and radio commenced
00:28:09.92\00:28:12.82
and it has just
grown and grown and grown.
00:28:12.85\00:28:15.29
What year was that?
00:28:15.32\00:28:16.66
That was back four years ago...
00:28:16.69\00:28:18.63
Sorry two and a half years ago.
00:28:18.66\00:28:20.00
Okay. Yeah.
00:28:20.03\00:28:21.36
So it's grown.
00:28:21.40\00:28:22.73
He stayed for a period of time
00:28:22.76\00:28:24.93
and then we had
another young man come.
00:28:24.97\00:28:27.64
He got married only
a couple of months ago,
00:28:27.67\00:28:30.01
so when you get
married your life changes.
00:28:30.04\00:28:32.34
And they are called by the Lord.
00:28:32.37\00:28:34.08
They are called by the Lord.
00:28:34.11\00:28:35.94
And Pokar Chansky was his name.
00:28:35.98\00:28:38.01
Australian people
who listen to radio
00:28:38.05\00:28:39.55
would know his name.
00:28:39.58\00:28:40.92
He married a
lovely young lady, Cali,
00:28:40.95\00:28:43.02
and they're going to go
into another direction of work
00:28:43.05\00:28:45.75
and so Ettienne came on
the scene, and I thought,
00:28:45.79\00:28:48.69
"Well, this man has a
good grasp of scripture,"
00:28:48.72\00:28:52.66
and so we've
gone down that road.
00:28:52.69\00:28:55.50
And he has been part
of your board or committee
00:28:55.53\00:28:57.10
as you call the
3ABN Australia board
00:28:57.13\00:28:59.13
for a number of years
and has a good understanding
00:28:59.17\00:29:01.27
of the ministry
there and that's important.
00:29:01.30\00:29:02.64
Amen, that is.
00:29:02.67\00:29:04.01
You know, I want to tell you
00:29:04.04\00:29:05.37
a little bit
about LPON licenses.
00:29:05.41\00:29:06.81
They're only one
watt. Is it LPON?
00:29:06.84\00:29:11.11
LPON, yeah. LPON, okay.
00:29:11.15\00:29:13.45
Low power open
narrowcasting services.
00:29:13.48\00:29:16.15
So this would be like a
church would have one of these?
00:29:16.18\00:29:18.65
You could have one on a
church but there is a problem
00:29:18.69\00:29:21.09
because our
Regulatory Authority,
00:29:21.12\00:29:23.36
the ACMA, the
Australian Communications
00:29:23.39\00:29:25.49
and Media Authority,
they regulate very closely.
00:29:25.53\00:29:29.30
You can't just get a license
00:29:29.33\00:29:32.03
and put up a
transmitter and transmit.
00:29:32.07\00:29:34.27
It's all
controlled by the other one
00:29:34.30\00:29:36.37
watt stations around you.
00:29:36.40\00:29:38.14
Where ATN comes
from New Zealand,
00:29:38.17\00:29:39.84
you don't need a
license for one watt,
00:29:39.87\00:29:42.24
so you're able to transmit.
00:29:42.28\00:29:43.88
Anybody could then just...
00:29:43.91\00:29:45.25
Yeah, yeah.
00:29:45.28\00:29:46.61
Just got to make sure your feed
doesn't infringes somebody else
00:29:46.65\00:29:48.92
is currently broadcasting.
00:29:48.95\00:29:50.29
You drive around
your car, have a listen,
00:29:50.32\00:29:51.95
if you find an open frequency
00:29:51.99\00:29:54.26
you can just start broadcasting.
00:29:54.29\00:29:56.16
But Australia is not like that.
00:29:56.19\00:29:57.53
No, Australia is very regulated.
00:29:57.56\00:29:59.29
So 3ABN Australia has one...
00:29:59.33\00:30:02.16
We have two IAM licenses
and they're on the west coast,
00:30:02.20\00:30:06.63
they're 400 watts IAM licenses
00:30:06.67\00:30:09.67
and one of those
has been going now,
00:30:09.70\00:30:11.71
it's seven years
and people really enjoy
00:30:11.74\00:30:16.04
so much so we got emails
coming from South Africa,
00:30:16.08\00:30:20.58
from Denmark It
reaches South Africa.
00:30:20.62\00:30:21.95
It reaches there.
00:30:21.98\00:30:23.32
They say, we're
listening to your station.
00:30:23.35\00:30:24.69
Incredible.
00:30:24.72\00:30:26.05
And generally that
would travel 30, 20 miles
00:30:26.09\00:30:30.26
but in the evenings it goes
wherever God wants it to go.
00:30:30.29\00:30:32.89
I was going to say,
"God has taken that signal
00:30:32.93\00:30:34.46
and just bouncing
along to whoever needs it.
00:30:34.50\00:30:36.10
Three hundred miles away
they can be listening to it
00:30:36.13\00:30:38.13
in the evenings so
it's pretty exciting.
00:30:38.17\00:30:40.44
So with an affiliate,
00:30:40.47\00:30:41.80
you were talking
about affiliates,
00:30:41.84\00:30:43.17
how many affiliates do you have
now for 3ABN Australia Radio?
00:30:43.20\00:30:45.67
We have probably around about 40
00:30:45.71\00:30:47.54
and it's about 85 stations
00:30:47.58\00:30:49.64
that we currently have
registered on our website.
00:30:49.68\00:30:51.91
Amen.
00:30:51.95\00:30:53.28
So those are LPON stations or...
00:30:53.31\00:30:54.65
They are LPON
except for one station
00:30:54.68\00:30:56.32
out of Bundaberg,
00:30:56.35\00:30:57.69
that is a commercial station
00:30:57.72\00:30:59.05
and we have an
agreement with them
00:30:59.09\00:31:01.06
from Sunday night 8 pm
till 6 am in Bundaberg.
00:31:01.09\00:31:05.49
We actually
broadcast on this station
00:31:05.53\00:31:07.00
and that's a
high powered station
00:31:07.03\00:31:09.46
and that's Sunday to Thursdays.
00:31:09.50\00:31:10.93
So what Ettienne was saying,
00:31:10.97\00:31:12.53
there are 85 transmitters
out there re-broadcasting 3ABN
00:31:12.57\00:31:16.67
and actually there is more
00:31:16.71\00:31:18.04
because some we're working on
00:31:18.07\00:31:19.87
and that number has
grown from a small number,
00:31:19.91\00:31:22.21
now it will be close to 100.
00:31:22.24\00:31:24.48
Yeah, probably
around the 100 mark, yeah.
00:31:24.51\00:31:26.21
And I just want to say
00:31:26.25\00:31:27.58
that when 3ABN
Radio came into Australia,
00:31:27.62\00:31:31.69
I met a young pastor name
Pastor Christian Capacheno
00:31:31.72\00:31:35.09
and he was in Victoria
00:31:35.12\00:31:36.73
and he invite us
over to share about 3ABN.
00:31:36.76\00:31:39.66
So I got him interested in radio
00:31:39.69\00:31:41.40
because he wanted to
get TV going in his area,
00:31:41.43\00:31:44.23
but we said you can't
00:31:44.27\00:31:45.60
because the
regulations are so strict.
00:31:45.63\00:31:48.17
So I remember
driving to a radio station
00:31:48.20\00:31:50.71
and said this
is what you can do.
00:31:50.74\00:31:52.41
And you know what?
00:31:52.44\00:31:53.78
We told him as much as we could,
00:31:53.81\00:31:55.18
he got a Faith FM,
00:31:55.21\00:31:57.71
they call it Faith FM
going and he bought 10 licenses
00:31:57.75\00:32:02.82
and then he got more licenses,
00:32:02.85\00:32:04.65
he got 100 licenses
00:32:04.69\00:32:06.72
and he was
broadcasting 3ABN USA.
00:32:06.76\00:32:10.43
They still do. Yeah.
00:32:10.46\00:32:12.03
They were doing about 80%.
00:32:12.06\00:32:14.13
It's now owned
00:32:14.16\00:32:15.50
by the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:32:15.53\00:32:17.80
They bought it from him
00:32:17.83\00:32:19.93
and they're now
running in parallel with us
00:32:19.97\00:32:24.11
3ABN Australia and Faith FM.
00:32:24.14\00:32:28.74
They use...
00:32:28.78\00:32:30.11
Now it's getting lower,
00:32:30.15\00:32:31.48
they're starting to
make more their own progress
00:32:31.51\00:32:32.98
but they still use 60 to 70%
of 3ABN USA radio programming
00:32:33.01\00:32:38.32
and it's
reaching across Australia.
00:32:38.35\00:32:39.89
So we've got a broad net
00:32:39.92\00:32:41.89
with 3ABN
programming around Australia.
00:32:41.92\00:32:44.89
We often get
phone calls from people
00:32:44.93\00:32:46.26
who are
confused between Faith FM
00:32:46.29\00:32:47.86
because they hear
3ABN USA all the time
00:32:47.90\00:32:49.73
and then we ask,
what was that program,
00:32:49.76\00:32:51.43
and then we have
to go and figure out,
00:32:51.47\00:32:52.80
oh, no, that was Faith FM
00:32:52.83\00:32:54.17
but it's great that in Australia
00:32:54.20\00:32:55.54
which is quite a secular country
00:32:55.57\00:32:56.91
that you have a
couple of options proclaiming
00:32:56.94\00:32:59.47
the three
angels' messages there,
00:32:59.51\00:33:00.84
the everlasting gospel
and they have a reach in place
00:33:00.88\00:33:03.78
where we don't have
a reach quite often.
00:33:03.81\00:33:05.15
That's right. It's wonderful.
00:33:05.18\00:33:06.51
It's a real blessing.
00:33:06.55\00:33:07.88
So tell me some
of the pros and cons
00:33:07.92\00:33:09.45
of the LPON you call it?
00:33:09.48\00:33:10.82
LPON.
00:33:10.85\00:33:12.19
So tell me the
pros and cons of that,
00:33:12.22\00:33:13.56
and then if
someone can't get that,
00:33:13.59\00:33:15.29
then how else will
they be able to listen
00:33:15.32\00:33:17.09
to 3ABN Australia Radio.
00:33:17.13\00:33:19.13
Well, look LPON is
great for smaller towns
00:33:19.16\00:33:21.46
or if you have a
little community church
00:33:21.50\00:33:22.90
and we want to
broadcast from it.
00:33:22.93\00:33:24.27
It's one watt.
00:33:24.30\00:33:25.63
What's the footprint real quick.
00:33:25.67\00:33:27.00
How far does that go?
00:33:27.04\00:33:28.37
Well, it's legally
00:33:28.40\00:33:29.74
it has complete open audibility,
00:33:29.77\00:33:33.58
sorry, for about two miles.
00:33:33.61\00:33:36.44
Okay, so very
small. It's very small.
00:33:36.48\00:33:38.31
But the higher you go,
00:33:38.35\00:33:39.68
the further they
will reach the footprint.
00:33:39.71\00:33:41.05
Height is might. Yeah.
00:33:41.08\00:33:42.42
Okay.
00:33:42.45\00:33:43.79
So you have that so if
you're in a small town,
00:33:43.82\00:33:45.15
you can drive around,
00:33:45.19\00:33:46.52
you can be in your home
and you can listen to it,
00:33:46.55\00:33:47.89
but if you get
into bigger places,
00:33:47.92\00:33:49.26
you know, people travel a
little bit further typically
00:33:49.29\00:33:51.39
so they will only have
coverage for a small area
00:33:51.43\00:33:53.43
and then it will drop out.
00:33:53.46\00:33:54.90
So what we recommend
00:33:54.93\00:33:56.26
is they either
download the 3ABN app,
00:33:56.30\00:33:59.53
now they can get
television and radio on this
00:33:59.57\00:34:01.24
so they can stream
all our radio stations
00:34:01.27\00:34:04.17
including 3ABN
Australia and 3ABN USA.
00:34:04.21\00:34:06.81
The other option is you can go
00:34:06.84\00:34:08.18
to what they
call TuneIn Radio app,
00:34:08.21\00:34:10.51
a lot of people have TuneIn.
00:34:10.55\00:34:12.68
We have it. Yeah, I
use it all the time.
00:34:12.71\00:34:14.68
I'll just have some easy
access buttons on my phone
00:34:14.72\00:34:16.95
on the front screen
00:34:16.99\00:34:18.32
and then I can
just tune into that
00:34:18.35\00:34:19.69
or even Faith FM
sometimes or 3ABN USA,
00:34:19.72\00:34:22.86
so that's a great way,
00:34:22.89\00:34:24.23
and the other
option is you can actually
00:34:24.26\00:34:25.59
just go online with the URL
00:34:25.63\00:34:27.66
and I think we'll post
that on the screen very shortly
00:34:27.70\00:34:30.87
and you can
actually then just listen
00:34:30.90\00:34:32.37
and stream the program on that.
00:34:32.40\00:34:34.40
So what we actually do
is, I've got a little...
00:34:34.44\00:34:36.64
So why don't we read that off
00:34:36.67\00:34:38.01
so we can see on
the lower third here.
00:34:38.04\00:34:39.54
So we have
3ABNAustralia.org.au/radio/list
00:34:39.57\00:34:46.05
That's correct. Yes.
00:34:46.08\00:34:47.42
And I actually have a
little app on my phone here
00:34:47.45\00:34:49.05
that I can go
just online and check
00:34:49.08\00:34:50.49
and see how many
people are online at times,
00:34:50.52\00:34:52.15
you know, so it's great to see.
00:34:52.19\00:34:54.02
So anybody
listening through the internet
00:34:54.06\00:34:56.02
whether it be on L
app or on TuneIn app
00:34:56.06\00:34:59.89
or just via internet browser,
00:34:59.93\00:35:02.23
we can see how many people
00:35:02.26\00:35:03.60
are on at the same
time, that's fantastic.
00:35:03.63\00:35:04.97
Amen.
00:35:05.00\00:35:06.33
You know, and that
is a neat thing of radio
00:35:06.37\00:35:07.70
because we're talking again
about the relevancy of radio,
00:35:07.74\00:35:09.54
you know, you think of the...
00:35:09.57\00:35:11.11
I'm just, call
me old timer radio,
00:35:11.14\00:35:12.47
I still have one, so I
guess I'm grading myself,
00:35:12.51\00:35:15.18
but really radio
can be listened to now
00:35:15.21\00:35:17.41
on our mobile
devices which is really neat
00:35:17.45\00:35:19.68
because again for those
00:35:19.71\00:35:21.05
that may have data restrictions,
00:35:21.08\00:35:22.58
I don't know if
you do in Australia
00:35:22.62\00:35:23.95
on the mobile devices
00:35:23.99\00:35:25.32
you know, radio requires
a lot less data to stream
00:35:25.35\00:35:28.12
than if you're
trying to watch television,
00:35:28.16\00:35:29.89
so there is a
lot of accessibility
00:35:29.92\00:35:32.26
via mobile device as well.
00:35:32.29\00:35:33.63
Yes, you want to say something?
00:35:33.66\00:35:35.00
Yeah, I want to say something
00:35:35.03\00:35:36.36
because we have an
app too on our phone
00:35:36.40\00:35:38.23
when we travel,
00:35:38.27\00:35:39.60
Australia is a lot
of miles and you're away
00:35:39.63\00:35:42.27
but when we go to the app,
00:35:42.30\00:35:44.14
we put on the
3ABN music channel.
00:35:44.17\00:35:45.94
Now that's just
come on and folks
00:35:45.97\00:35:47.58
that is absolutely fantastic.
00:35:47.61\00:35:49.58
Especially when you're driving,
00:35:49.61\00:35:50.95
if you just wanna listen
00:35:50.98\00:35:52.31
to some good
music that's uplifting,
00:35:52.35\00:35:55.88
go on there and listen to it.
00:35:55.92\00:35:57.99
Yeah, for sure.
00:35:58.02\00:35:59.35
So talk to us about
the intent and the content
00:35:59.39\00:36:02.86
because what you
put as far as content
00:36:02.89\00:36:05.23
on 3ABN Australia
Radio is so vital.
00:36:05.26\00:36:07.46
I know we faced
00:36:07.50\00:36:08.83
that with
television and radio here.
00:36:08.86\00:36:10.67
You want to be careful
what content you're giving.
00:36:10.70\00:36:13.37
So talk to us about that.
00:36:13.40\00:36:14.77
Look, I don't think
our vision has changed much
00:36:14.80\00:36:16.44
from Danny Shelton
00:36:16.47\00:36:17.81
who started 3ABN
television many, many years ago,
00:36:17.84\00:36:20.64
so 32 years or
whatever it is now.
00:36:20.68\00:36:23.28
So he had this dream
00:36:23.31\00:36:24.65
about
counteracting the counterfeit.
00:36:24.68\00:36:26.65
I think it's our responsibility
to give the message
00:36:26.68\00:36:28.95
that God has given us
for this planet at this time.
00:36:28.98\00:36:33.05
And I actually just
wanted to differentiate
00:36:33.09\00:36:34.66
that because quite
often people think,
00:36:34.69\00:36:36.02
"Well the gospel is the gospel,
00:36:36.06\00:36:37.39
it's been the gospel
since the reformation
00:36:37.43\00:36:38.76
since the 16th century,"
00:36:38.79\00:36:40.30
but it has got a
different emphasis.
00:36:40.33\00:36:42.60
And people say listen,
00:36:42.63\00:36:43.97
I preach the
gospel of the reformers
00:36:44.00\00:36:45.53
and I preach the gospel
00:36:45.57\00:36:46.90
of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
00:36:46.94\00:36:48.27
it's one and the same thing.
00:36:48.30\00:36:49.64
There is a difference.
00:36:49.67\00:36:51.01
And the difference is basically
00:36:51.04\00:36:52.37
that we believe the
three angels' messages
00:36:52.41\00:36:53.74
which is in your name
3ABN Australia 3ABN Radio,
00:36:53.78\00:36:58.05
in that name God gave a
message with three angels.
00:36:58.08\00:37:01.32
There is a first
angel, a second angel,
00:37:01.35\00:37:02.92
and the third angel
but the first angel...
00:37:02.95\00:37:04.45
Maybe we can go
to the scriptures
00:37:04.49\00:37:05.82
and let's have a look at that.
00:37:05.85\00:37:07.19
The first angel actually
brings the everlasting gospel
00:37:07.22\00:37:10.66
but it gives a
timeframe or framework for it.
00:37:10.69\00:37:15.23
We're in Revelation 14?
We're in Revelation 14, yes.
00:37:15.26\00:37:18.37
You've been
there before obviously.
00:37:18.40\00:37:20.44
Now the three angels' messages
00:37:20.47\00:37:22.00
actually start in
Revelation 14:6-12
00:37:22.04\00:37:26.34
but it actually
doesn't end there
00:37:26.37\00:37:27.71
because what happens
00:37:27.74\00:37:29.08
is the harvest
follows subsequent
00:37:29.11\00:37:31.05
to the messages so the messages
00:37:31.08\00:37:32.41
are to prepare people
for the coming of Christ.
00:37:32.45\00:37:34.82
Now if you want to
know when the harvest is,
00:37:34.85\00:37:37.19
Jesus said that the
harvest is the end of the world
00:37:37.22\00:37:40.39
and we can get
that in Matthew 13:39
00:37:40.42\00:37:42.72
where Jesus makes that
distinction very clearly
00:37:42.76\00:37:44.83
when He speaks of the harvest.
00:37:44.86\00:37:46.19
And the harvest is mentioned
from about verse 14 onwards.
00:37:46.23\00:37:48.80
But just reading from
Revelation 14:6, it says,
00:37:48.83\00:37:52.60
"Then I saw another angel flying
00:37:52.63\00:37:54.57
in the midst of heaven
having the everlasting gospel."
00:37:54.60\00:37:57.94
So it's the gospel,
00:37:57.97\00:37:59.31
the good news of
salvation through Jesus Christ.
00:37:59.34\00:38:00.88
The word gospel
obviously means good news.
00:38:00.91\00:38:02.48
It's good news for everybody
00:38:02.51\00:38:04.05
that Christ has come
to redeem and save us,
00:38:04.08\00:38:06.18
and then it says
00:38:06.21\00:38:07.55
"To preach to those
who dwell on the earth
00:38:07.58\00:38:08.98
and then it says
that without exclusion
00:38:09.02\00:38:11.05
to every nation, tribe, tongue,
00:38:11.09\00:38:12.45
and people saying
with a loud voice,"
00:38:12.49\00:38:14.82
so this is not a
squeak, it's not a whisper...
00:38:14.86\00:38:16.52
It's not quiet. It's not quiet.
00:38:16.56\00:38:17.89
It's quite loud,
00:38:17.93\00:38:19.89
and it says then fear
God and give glory to Him,
00:38:19.93\00:38:22.60
and then the next one is I
want to bring our attention to.
00:38:22.63\00:38:25.07
It says, "For the hour
of His Judgment has come."
00:38:25.10\00:38:29.07
So what we're doing
or what we're seeing here
00:38:29.10\00:38:31.17
is the message proclaimed
during a judgment hour setting.
00:38:31.21\00:38:35.58
Now the judgment
hour precedes the harvest.
00:38:35.61\00:38:38.31
So if you give the same message
as the reformers gave us,
00:38:38.35\00:38:40.68
not the same message as ours
00:38:40.72\00:38:42.05
because the
emphasis is different.
00:38:42.08\00:38:43.79
Now, there is a
thing in the Bible known...
00:38:43.82\00:38:45.85
There's a concept
known as present truth.
00:38:45.89\00:38:48.16
Now, we don't
preach the message of Noah.
00:38:48.19\00:38:49.79
He was a
preacher of righteousness
00:38:49.82\00:38:51.16
and so are we.
00:38:51.19\00:38:52.53
But his message was,
"If you want to be saved,
00:38:52.56\00:38:53.90
get into the ark."
00:38:53.93\00:38:55.26
We don't say get
into the ark now although
00:38:55.30\00:38:56.93
we can use it in a symbolic way.
00:38:56.97\00:38:58.60
So that was a
truth for their time.
00:38:58.63\00:39:00.60
In Jesus' day, of course it was,
00:39:00.64\00:39:02.34
He is the Messiah and
they look at Him and go,
00:39:02.37\00:39:04.11
well, He's just an
ordinary peasant looking man,
00:39:04.14\00:39:06.17
how can He be the Messiah,
00:39:06.21\00:39:07.58
'cause they were expecting
someone with kingly authority
00:39:07.61\00:39:10.11
that will conquer the Romans
and they misunderstood Him,
00:39:10.15\00:39:13.11
but yet that was
where they had their vote,
00:39:13.15\00:39:15.22
whether they will
accept the Messiah or not.
00:39:15.25\00:39:17.15
Now in our time we're to prepare
00:39:17.19\00:39:18.65
for the second coming of Christ
00:39:18.69\00:39:20.72
but it says that
the harvest won't come
00:39:20.76\00:39:22.49
until this maturity.
00:39:22.52\00:39:24.56
Now, the reformers
actually had a message
00:39:24.59\00:39:26.49
where they preached to
prepare people to be...
00:39:26.53\00:39:31.13
How can I put it?
00:39:31.17\00:39:32.50
They die in Christ
00:39:32.53\00:39:33.87
and they get ready
for the resurrection.
00:39:33.90\00:39:35.24
They basically were preparing
for the underground to heaven
00:39:35.27\00:39:37.51
so to speak, six foot under.
00:39:37.54\00:39:38.87
That makes sense. Yeah.
00:39:38.91\00:39:40.24
But we're actually to
prepare for translation.
00:39:40.28\00:39:42.58
Now, the word
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:39:42.61\00:39:44.05
obviously
seventh day talks about
00:39:44.08\00:39:45.41
the emphasis of the Sabbath,
00:39:45.45\00:39:46.92
that's a symbol that
we're not saved by works
00:39:46.95\00:39:48.88
that we rest in Christ
because it's a day of rest,
00:39:48.92\00:39:51.72
but it's also a sign that
God is the one who sanctifies
00:39:51.75\00:39:55.26
and makes us holy, as
also sign of creation,
00:39:55.29\00:39:57.93
a sign that He recreates us.
00:39:57.96\00:39:59.93
So when it comes to
the second part of that,
00:39:59.96\00:40:01.96
so we have the Sabbath
00:40:02.00\00:40:03.33
but we also have
the Adventist's path.
00:40:03.37\00:40:05.03
Adventist's path is for people
00:40:05.07\00:40:06.47
who believe in the
imminent return of Jesus Christ.
00:40:06.50\00:40:08.67
That's right. Correct.
00:40:08.70\00:40:10.04
We're not preparing for death.
00:40:10.07\00:40:12.11
We believe that we
should be in the generation
00:40:12.14\00:40:13.94
who are
preparing for translation.
00:40:13.98\00:40:15.78
So the emphasis of the
gospel is very different.
00:40:15.81\00:40:19.28
You know, and I think
it's very important for us
00:40:19.31\00:40:21.28
as Seventh-day Adventist,
00:40:21.32\00:40:23.02
if we are to present the message
00:40:23.05\00:40:24.39
that we understand our
own identity as a people,
00:40:24.42\00:40:28.62
we understand our
mission, and also our message.
00:40:28.66\00:40:31.99
Now we believe our message
is the everlasting gospel
00:40:32.03\00:40:34.53
in the judgment hour
setting, that is our message.
00:40:34.56\00:40:37.00
If you want to
know our identity,
00:40:37.03\00:40:39.30
we just go a few
verses back in Revelation 10.
00:40:39.33\00:40:42.50
Now Revelation 10
00:40:42.54\00:40:44.31
actually talks
about this mighty angel
00:40:44.34\00:40:46.61
that comes down from heaven.
00:40:46.64\00:40:48.14
It's interesting
whenever you read in Revelation
00:40:48.18\00:40:49.84
when the mighty angel
comes down from heaven,
00:40:49.88\00:40:51.41
it's got a very, very
important message to bring.
00:40:51.45\00:40:53.42
We see it in
Revelation 18 as well.
00:40:53.45\00:40:55.45
And if you study
it with attention,
00:40:55.48\00:40:57.35
it repeats the
three angels' messages
00:40:57.39\00:40:59.15
but under great
authority and great power
00:40:59.19\00:41:02.02
and this angel is even
louder than the first angel.
00:41:02.06\00:41:05.53
So this angel
comes down from heaven
00:41:05.56\00:41:07.40
and it says that he is
clothed with the cloud,
00:41:07.43\00:41:09.33
he's got a
rainbow around his head,
00:41:09.36\00:41:11.13
and then it
says in verse 2 there
00:41:11.17\00:41:13.23
that he had a little
book open in his hand
00:41:13.27\00:41:15.40
and then he set his
right foot on the sea,
00:41:15.44\00:41:16.87
his left foot on the land,
00:41:16.91\00:41:18.24
and he cry out
with a loud voice.
00:41:18.27\00:41:20.88
Now when he cried
with a loud voice,
00:41:20.91\00:41:22.74
there was another emphasis,
another voice that came.
00:41:22.78\00:41:25.95
It says seven
thunders uttered their voice.
00:41:25.98\00:41:28.42
Now, what happens
as John the Revelator
00:41:28.45\00:41:29.92
is about to write down
what the seven thunders said
00:41:29.95\00:41:31.95
and it said now
seal it up, you can't...
00:41:31.99\00:41:33.46
Don't write that, seal it up.
00:41:33.49\00:41:35.59
We believe that's events
00:41:35.62\00:41:37.13
that took place under the first
and second angel's message.
00:41:37.16\00:41:39.93
But the sealing up
should remind us of something
00:41:39.96\00:41:42.66
because there was another book
00:41:42.70\00:41:44.03
that was sealed up
in the Bible as well
00:41:44.07\00:41:45.40
which was to be
unsealed at the end of time.
00:41:45.43\00:41:48.17
So the sealing up
first gets our mind
00:41:48.20\00:41:49.80
or our attention to that
00:41:49.84\00:41:51.34
and then we read in verse 5
00:41:51.37\00:41:52.71
which says the angel
whom I saw standing on the sea
00:41:52.74\00:41:54.98
and on the land
raised up his hand to heaven
00:41:55.01\00:41:57.11
and swore by him
who lives forever.
00:41:57.15\00:41:59.21
So we have a sealing up,
00:41:59.25\00:42:00.68
we have an angel
that raises his hand,
00:42:00.72\00:42:03.18
and then swears by
Him who lives forever.
00:42:03.22\00:42:05.39
Now, that's supposed
to take our mind back
00:42:05.42\00:42:07.02
to the Book of Daniel.
00:42:07.06\00:42:08.49
It was in Daniel 12
we also have this man,
00:42:08.52\00:42:11.09
the man there is
actually the angel Gabriel
00:42:11.13\00:42:13.50
who then lifts up
both his hands and sways.
00:42:13.53\00:42:16.26
But this angel can
only lift the one hand
00:42:16.30\00:42:18.03
because there is now
a book that was closed
00:42:18.07\00:42:19.93
that's now open in his hand,
00:42:19.97\00:42:21.70
that is
referring to the sealing,
00:42:21.74\00:42:23.14
it's unsealed
and he swears by Him
00:42:23.17\00:42:25.91
who lives for ever and ever.
00:42:25.94\00:42:27.68
Now, the angel who swore
with both hands in Daniel 12
00:42:27.71\00:42:33.38
said that there will be
time, times, and half a time,
00:42:33.42\00:42:35.88
so it is a
prophetic time period.
00:42:35.92\00:42:38.85
Sure is.
00:42:38.89\00:42:40.22
This angel here if we
read with attention in verse 7,
00:42:40.26\00:42:44.03
it says...
00:42:44.06\00:42:45.39
Sorry 9:6 it says,
00:42:45.43\00:42:47.66
"And he swore by Him
who lives for ever and ever,
00:42:47.70\00:42:49.43
who created the
heavens and the things
00:42:49.46\00:42:51.60
that are in it, in the earth
and the things that are in it,
00:42:51.63\00:42:54.24
and the sea and the
things that are in it,
00:42:54.27\00:42:56.00
that there should
be delay no longer,"
00:42:56.04\00:42:58.21
or if you look at
the King James says,
00:42:58.24\00:42:59.57
"Should be time no longer."
00:42:59.61\00:43:00.98
Now, the angel is swearing,
00:43:01.01\00:43:03.01
he has got this
book open in his hand,
00:43:03.04\00:43:04.48
one hand to heaven and
it's now that time period
00:43:04.51\00:43:08.35
that unlocks the book
00:43:08.38\00:43:09.98
and the time
should be no longer...
00:43:10.02\00:43:11.79
This is now happening at
the end of that time period,
00:43:11.82\00:43:13.76
that prophetic time period.
00:43:13.79\00:43:15.32
So what happens is then
the John the Revelator is told,
00:43:15.36\00:43:18.43
take that little book out
of the angel's hand and eat it.
00:43:18.46\00:43:20.83
And as he takes it from
the angel, the angel says,
00:43:20.86\00:43:22.66
"Listen, when
you're going to eat it,
00:43:22.70\00:43:24.33
it will be
bitter in your stomach
00:43:24.37\00:43:26.10
but it will be sweet
as honey in your mouth."
00:43:26.13\00:43:27.80
So he eats it and he
gets exactly that experience
00:43:27.84\00:43:30.41
whereby eating
the Book of Daniel
00:43:30.44\00:43:32.31
which is a prophetic book,
00:43:32.34\00:43:34.41
there is somehow
a sweet experience
00:43:34.44\00:43:36.75
when they eat it
and they study the book
00:43:36.78\00:43:38.71
but they experience
something very bitter,
00:43:38.75\00:43:40.58
they call the
bitter disappointment.
00:43:40.62\00:43:41.95
That's right.
00:43:41.98\00:43:43.32
You know, and then the Bible
00:43:43.35\00:43:44.69
from time to
time God's followers,
00:43:44.72\00:43:46.05
God's people have had times
00:43:46.09\00:43:47.82
when they had
bitter experiences.
00:43:47.86\00:43:49.72
For example, we
know that in Jesus' day
00:43:49.76\00:43:51.39
they thought He would be the one
00:43:51.43\00:43:52.76
that would conquer the Romans
00:43:52.79\00:43:54.13
and on the road
to Emmaus in Luke 24,
00:43:54.16\00:43:57.83
the disciples are
walking and they said,
00:43:57.87\00:44:00.20
we thought He would be the one
00:44:00.24\00:44:01.80
that will set us
free and would redeem us.
00:44:01.84\00:44:03.94
So really the intent for 3ABN,
I mean all the 3ABN as a whole,
00:44:03.97\00:44:08.01
the whole family of networks
00:44:08.04\00:44:09.38
but specifically
radio today is to spread
00:44:09.41\00:44:11.78
the three
angels' message, right?
00:44:11.81\00:44:14.62
And we're in time
unheralded before,
00:44:14.65\00:44:17.85
I mean we're in
unprecedented time,
00:44:17.89\00:44:19.55
that's what I'm thinking of
00:44:19.59\00:44:21.09
where I think we only have
00:44:21.12\00:44:22.49
a small window
of opportunity left
00:44:22.52\00:44:24.79
where we can
continue to spread this gospel
00:44:24.83\00:44:26.49
and that's what you
guys are doing and it
00:44:26.53\00:44:27.90
is just fantastic.
00:44:27.93\00:44:29.26
And, of course, the mission
is we got to prophesy again
00:44:29.30\00:44:31.03
which is the last
finishing chapter,
00:44:31.07\00:44:32.47
chapter 10 there.
00:44:32.50\00:44:33.84
Because we wanted to
get to some of the content.
00:44:33.87\00:44:35.20
Go ahead, John, 'cause
I have a couple of clips
00:44:35.24\00:44:36.81
that we want to get you
and that's some of the content
00:44:36.84\00:44:39.31
so maybe set that
up for us a little bit
00:44:39.34\00:44:40.81
where we're
getting ready to listen to.
00:44:40.84\00:44:42.98
Now, it's
interesting on television
00:44:43.01\00:44:44.38
we're actually just
going to go to graphic here,
00:44:44.41\00:44:46.05
but you
actually get to listen to
00:44:46.08\00:44:47.42
some clips of 3ABN
Australia Radio program
00:44:47.45\00:44:50.35
and that's coming up.
00:44:50.39\00:44:51.72
That's right.
00:44:51.75\00:44:53.09
So we're
obviously making programs
00:44:53.12\00:44:54.46
and we're trying to reach
people in a variety of ways.
00:44:54.49\00:44:55.96
This one is a young lady
who actually quite often gets
00:44:55.99\00:44:58.33
in front of
young people in schools
00:44:58.36\00:44:59.69
and she presents a first person
narrative of Bible stories
00:44:59.73\00:45:03.00
and she has gleaned the
information from the Bible
00:45:03.03\00:45:04.77
and the Spirit of Prophecy,
00:45:04.80\00:45:06.13
so we had some
recordings with them before,
00:45:06.17\00:45:07.60
how can we just help
full brain interaction?
00:45:07.64\00:45:11.54
Now, left brain, right brain,
00:45:11.57\00:45:12.91
so we've added a
little bit of sound effects
00:45:12.94\00:45:14.28
and a little bit of music to it.
00:45:14.31\00:45:15.64
Good. So we
just have a clip now.
00:45:15.68\00:45:17.01
What's the name of the program?
00:45:17.05\00:45:18.38
The program is
Family Story Time.
00:45:18.41\00:45:19.91
Nice. Okay?
00:45:19.95\00:45:21.28
Yeah. Well let's go to that now.
00:45:21.32\00:45:22.65
Okay.
00:45:22.68\00:45:24.02
Welcome to Family Story
Time with Karlie Fraser.
00:45:26.22\00:45:29.52
Join us as we step back in time
to hear about Pilate's wife.
00:45:29.56\00:45:35.50
Hi, I'm Pontius Pilate's wife
00:45:35.53\00:45:38.27
and I would like to
invite you on a journey with me
00:45:38.30\00:45:40.34
back to the Passover weekend
00:45:40.37\00:45:42.50
to maybe share a bit of a
different perspective with you.
00:45:42.54\00:45:45.87
Come join me.
00:45:45.91\00:45:47.24
Take it straight
to him. It's critical.
00:45:51.08\00:45:55.58
We must have
nothing to do with this man.
00:45:55.62\00:46:01.09
Have you ever had
a dream about someone
00:46:01.12\00:46:03.63
and as a result felt a
certain way towards them
00:46:03.66\00:46:07.23
when you wake up?
00:46:07.26\00:46:08.60
Sent to this
earth to save humanity,
00:46:08.63\00:46:11.83
I saw him standing on
trial in the judgment hall
00:46:11.87\00:46:15.67
with His hands bound
behind Him like a criminal.
00:46:15.70\00:46:19.57
I saw Him amidst to Herod
00:46:19.61\00:46:21.04
and his henchmen
being beaten and mocked.
00:46:21.08\00:46:25.65
I can still hear
the echo of accusations
00:46:25.68\00:46:29.45
by the priests
and Jewish leaders.
00:46:29.48\00:46:31.89
We have a law and by our law,
00:46:31.92\00:46:36.22
He ought to die.
00:46:36.26\00:46:39.76
I saw my
husband after declaring,
00:46:39.79\00:46:42.33
he found no fault in Jesus.
00:46:42.36\00:46:45.67
Order him to be flogged
with a lead-tipped whip.
00:46:45.70\00:46:50.41
Jesus stood there
back covered in lacerations
00:46:50.44\00:46:55.24
and face shining with
an incomprehensible peace.
00:46:55.28\00:47:01.02
And Pilate sat
there in the judgment seat
00:47:01.05\00:47:05.22
and sentenced an
innocent man to death.
00:47:05.25\00:47:11.36
Nice. That's beautiful.
That's an incredible program.
00:47:11.39\00:47:14.03
Yes, so that's the
first part of the program.
00:47:14.06\00:47:15.76
Now, she had these
programs pre-prepared
00:47:15.80\00:47:20.07
so some of them run 18 minutes,
some of them run 10 minutes
00:47:20.10\00:47:22.50
depending on
this little sermonette
00:47:22.54\00:47:23.87
on how long time
she has available,
00:47:23.91\00:47:25.64
so what we did, we tried
to create a half hour program
00:47:25.67\00:47:28.14
so our intent was
how do we expand these
00:47:28.18\00:47:31.11
and I met a
couple of lovely guys
00:47:31.15\00:47:32.48
who've got a podcast on
00:47:32.51\00:47:34.22
which they call
after the sermon podcast
00:47:34.25\00:47:36.95
so I ask these
guys the first year
00:47:36.99\00:47:39.79
theology students
at Avondale College,
00:47:39.82\00:47:41.72
I said would you
guys mind to come
00:47:41.76\00:47:43.09
and do a Bible study
on each of the topics
00:47:43.12\00:47:44.59
that she presented
00:47:44.63\00:47:45.96
so with the second
clip is actually these guys
00:47:45.99\00:47:47.50
just doing a little
bit of introduction,
00:47:47.53\00:47:48.86
we've added a
little bit of sound effects
00:47:48.90\00:47:50.23
to that as well so you'll hear.
00:47:50.27\00:47:51.60
And this would fill
for your half hour slot.
00:47:51.63\00:47:53.13
That takes us to full half hour.
00:47:53.17\00:47:54.50
Sometimes a five minute study,
sometimes a 12 minute study.
00:47:54.54\00:47:56.47
That's a great idea, I like it.
00:47:56.50\00:47:58.17
Okay, let's go to that clip now.
00:47:58.21\00:48:00.01
Let's join
Christopher and Jessie
00:48:00.04\00:48:01.84
as they open the Bible
to discuss today's story.
00:48:01.88\00:48:05.81
Thank you Karlie for
that inspirational story
00:48:05.85\00:48:08.18
about Pilate's wife.
00:48:08.22\00:48:09.72
Now let's delve into the Bible
00:48:09.75\00:48:11.69
to learn more about
Jesus Christ the Messiah.
00:48:11.72\00:48:14.52
Hey, Chris, when
you imagine a king,
00:48:14.56\00:48:16.62
what image do you
first see in your mind?
00:48:16.66\00:48:19.36
Well, I see a king
sitting on a throne
00:48:19.39\00:48:22.33
wearing a royal crown.
00:48:22.36\00:48:24.47
His shoulders are probably back.
00:48:24.50\00:48:26.17
His chest is out, chin up,
00:48:26.20\00:48:28.20
and he holds a
royal sceptre in his hand.
00:48:28.24\00:48:31.07
Now with that sceptre
he's probably controlling
00:48:31.11\00:48:33.17
an enormous army
riding into battle,
00:48:33.21\00:48:35.64
a magnificent white horse.
00:48:35.68\00:48:40.15
Well, that idea is very similar
00:48:40.18\00:48:42.32
to how the Jews
thought the Messiah would be.
00:48:42.35\00:48:44.89
They thought he would be a
king and ride into Jerusalem
00:48:44.92\00:48:47.69
as a conqueror
saving them from the Romans
00:48:47.72\00:48:50.23
and establishing a new
kingdom that would last forever.
00:48:50.26\00:48:55.46
Okay, that sounds really
good but who was this Messiah?
00:48:55.50\00:48:59.33
Well, the first time we
ever hear about the Messiah
00:48:59.37\00:49:01.74
is way back in Genesis 3
00:49:01.77\00:49:03.81
right after Adam and Eve
have eaten the forbidden fruit
00:49:03.84\00:49:06.88
and sin has entered the world.
00:49:06.91\00:49:09.04
Well, that's
incredible. Good job.
00:49:09.08\00:49:10.75
And this is done
in your studio, right?
00:49:10.78\00:49:13.31
That's right. Fantastic.
00:49:13.35\00:49:14.68
So just quickly
here, I know, boy,
00:49:14.72\00:49:16.05
our time has
just gone by quickly.
00:49:16.08\00:49:17.42
We're getting ready
to go to an address roll,
00:49:17.45\00:49:18.79
we'll tell you
about that in a moment
00:49:18.82\00:49:20.32
but the
percentage of the programming
00:49:20.36\00:49:22.52
that you produce
00:49:22.56\00:49:24.13
or that you air is
produced out of your studio
00:49:24.16\00:49:26.26
where we are on that?
00:49:26.29\00:49:27.63
Okay, so we're still
developing some programs
00:49:27.66\00:49:29.00
that being one of them.
00:49:29.03\00:49:30.37
We've probably got about
25% content which is local.
00:49:30.40\00:49:32.93
We still rely very
much on the great content
00:49:32.97\00:49:34.90
out of the USA
for the rest of it.
00:49:34.94\00:49:37.71
Now, we want to
go, we want to expand,
00:49:37.74\00:49:39.37
but we not only want to expand,
00:49:39.41\00:49:40.74
we want to share with the USA
00:49:40.78\00:49:42.74
and that's part of
what we do with 3ABN TV.
00:49:42.78\00:49:45.31
We are adding to your library.
00:49:45.35\00:49:47.55
And I think that's fantastic
00:49:47.58\00:49:48.92
because really
that's what it's all about.
00:49:48.95\00:49:50.29
You know, we're
working together as a team.
00:49:50.32\00:49:52.25
You down under...
00:49:52.29\00:49:53.76
I don't know what
we're called, are we up?
00:49:53.79\00:49:55.79
You're up over. Up over?
00:49:55.82\00:49:58.19
But yeah, it's about
sharing back and forth,
00:49:58.23\00:50:00.00
so we appreciate it in
the work that you're doing
00:50:00.03\00:50:01.86
and it's exciting
what's going on there,
00:50:01.90\00:50:03.87
and I know that you
are going to continue
00:50:03.90\00:50:05.23
to produce more
and more programming.
00:50:05.27\00:50:07.64
Tell us about
some of your needs.
00:50:07.67\00:50:09.10
I know we just
have a moment left,
00:50:09.14\00:50:10.67
so tell us about some of your
most urgent needs right now.
00:50:10.71\00:50:13.21
So we're looking at
expanding our footprint in FM
00:50:13.24\00:50:15.74
because it's all low power.
00:50:15.78\00:50:17.35
You know, there is a
text in Ecclesiastes 226
00:50:17.38\00:50:20.32
where the Lord says,
00:50:20.35\00:50:21.68
he gives to
other people together
00:50:21.72\00:50:23.28
and then he gives
back to his own people.
00:50:23.32\00:50:25.15
So there is a lot of people
00:50:25.19\00:50:26.52
with a lot of
licenses out there.
00:50:26.55\00:50:27.89
We're praying that God
will work on their hearts
00:50:27.92\00:50:29.26
so we can get some of
those licenses back, expand,
00:50:29.29\00:50:31.33
and then
ultimately we want people
00:50:31.36\00:50:32.69
to be aware of the
availability online,
00:50:32.73\00:50:35.06
but we also need
some good pastors
00:50:35.10\00:50:36.43
who know our message,
the three angels' messages,
00:50:36.46\00:50:38.10
who can present the messages,
who can record the sermons,
00:50:38.13\00:50:40.37
send it through to us
00:50:40.40\00:50:41.74
so we can broadcast
those programs as well.
00:50:41.77\00:50:43.10
You know, Greg
Grossman and I said
00:50:43.14\00:50:44.54
we encourage
people to get licenses
00:50:44.57\00:50:46.24
so we did that in
the last two years,
00:50:46.27\00:50:48.44
we bought two
licenses in Canberra
00:50:48.48\00:50:50.55
which is the
capital of Australia.
00:50:50.58\00:50:51.91
We're the only ones there
00:50:51.95\00:50:53.55
and then we have one
out on Norfolk Island
00:50:53.58\00:50:56.38
and that's exciting, and
we see what God is doing,
00:50:56.42\00:50:58.85
and I would
encourage anyone out there
00:50:58.89\00:51:01.29
go and get a
license and be a blessing.
00:51:01.32\00:51:04.56
Amen.
00:51:04.59\00:51:05.93
I can't believe our time
has gone so quickly here,
00:51:05.96\00:51:07.96
it's such a blessing.
00:51:08.00\00:51:09.33
We will come back at the end
00:51:09.36\00:51:10.70
with some
closing thoughts from you
00:51:10.73\00:51:12.07
but I can see
how God is blessing.
00:51:12.10\00:51:14.17
God is blessing the
ministry of 3ABN Australia,
00:51:14.20\00:51:16.57
3ABN Australia Radio
00:51:16.60\00:51:18.04
and thank you both
00:51:18.07\00:51:19.41
for your work and for
your leadership there,
00:51:19.44\00:51:21.58
and I can see how
you know the Bible,
00:51:21.61\00:51:23.55
Etteinne, too and
that is such a blessing.
00:51:23.58\00:51:25.15
It's so important and vital
00:51:25.18\00:51:26.92
as you prepare the content
for 3ABN Australia Radio.
00:51:26.95\00:51:30.82
What we want to do right now is
00:51:30.85\00:51:32.19
put up the contact
information for them.
00:51:32.22\00:51:34.72
If you have an interest
in radio or script writing
00:51:34.76\00:51:37.96
or you're a pastor,
or you have questions,
00:51:37.99\00:51:40.53
or you would like
to financially support,
00:51:40.56\00:51:42.60
here's how you can do just that.
00:51:42.63\00:51:46.53
3ABN Australia
00:51:46.57\00:51:48.07
is the official
regional branch of 3ABN
00:51:48.10\00:51:50.67
for Australia and New Zealand.
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If you would like to
learn more about them
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or if you would like
to support their ministry,
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please contact
them at 3ABN Australia,
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PO Box 752, Morisset,
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New South Wales 2264, Australia.
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You may reach them
directly by telephone
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by dialing (02) 4973-3456.
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You may also
listen to them online
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at 3ABNAustralia.org.au
/radio/listen.
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