I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I wanna spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I wanna spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I wanna spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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Thank you for taking the
time to tune into a program
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that promises to be informative
and very Bible-based.
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For all intents and purposes,
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this is a Bible study
on a very important topic,
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one that has
evolved to some degree
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into a level of controversy
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around the Christian world
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and also our church is
not exempt in that area.
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The doctrine of the
Trinity, the Godhead,
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the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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So you wanna hit record,
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and let me just
establish a disclaimer
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from the very beginning.
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In the time that we have
remaining in this program,
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it is not possible to go
through all the Bible texts,
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so what we're gonna hope to do
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is to address some of
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the specific
issues of controversy
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and give the answers
from the word of God.
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We're gonna walk some through
the history of our church,
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the development of our beliefs,
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and then if you
have any questions
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that you'd like to send to
us, via email, or a snail mail,
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we will also welcome that
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because we want to be clear that
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what we believe is in
fact founded on God's word.
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I have with me today...
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For I think
providential reasons,
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I'm John and I
have two other guys
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that are named John.
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How that happened?
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It's a providential thing.
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To my right is
Pastor John Stanton.
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Good to have you here, John.
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Good to be here, John.
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And to my far right
is Pastor John Dinzey.
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Good to have you here, John.
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Thank you. Good
to be here, John.
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We thought it was
pretty interesting
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that the Lord
allowed all three of us
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to have the name John,
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because each one
of us at one point
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or the other has hosted,
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I have hosted
house calls together.
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Sometimes John
Stanton and John Dinzey,
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or John Dinzey
and John Lomacang,
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or John Stanton
and John Lomacang,
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any number of combinations.
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Best to say first, second,
and third John are here today
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and how fitting it is that
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we're talking about the Godhead,
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where three are one.
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I would like to lead into
this by saying each one of us
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has the same name John,
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but we are all
independently individual,
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and we're gonna leave it there.
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But we're gonna go
to some music first.
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We have music that
always begins our program
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and cheers our heart.
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Today we have music
that's gonna bring to you
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a message of encouragement.
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We'd like you to sit back
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and listen to it as
God blesses your heart.
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My peace
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I give
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Unto you
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It's a peace
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That the world cannot give
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It's the peace
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That the world
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Cannot understand
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Peace to know,
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Peace to live
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My peace
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I give unto you
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My love
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I give unto you
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It's a love
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That the world cannot give
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It's the love
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That the world
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Cannot understand
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Love to know,
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Love to live
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My love
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I give unto you
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It's a love
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That the world
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Cannot understand
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My love
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I give
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Unto you
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Thank you for
that wonderful song,
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"My peace I give unto you."
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Veronica Boyd Gillis,
always a wonderful minister.
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We are gonna take advantage
of the time we have remaining
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and I am going to
ask my John Stanton,
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Pastor Stanton and Pastor Dinzey
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to begin with an
opening statement.
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I shared mine just a moment ago
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but as we're gonna talk about
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the evolution of the belief
of the Godhead, the Trinity.
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Pastor Stanton, you
are now on the west coast
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in the, what conference?
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Upper Columbia.
Upper Columbia Conference.
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And in the position of
dealing with pastors and...
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Yeah, I'm Personal
Ministries Director
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but have a chance to
kind of not only mingle
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and help pastors in the
area of personal ministries
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but dialogue a lot
about the current issues.
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Right.
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And so we are seeing
some of a resurgence,
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a bit of a resurgence here
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in the anti-trinitarian
aspect of things.
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And so it's something that
has brought me back to study
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and it's one of the
things that brought us
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probably to this program here.
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But it's a challenge
because there are people
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that insist on going
back to the pioneer days,
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what people believed back then
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and only what they
believed back then,
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rather than understanding
that our church has, over time,
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developed its doctrines
and the truce we have today.
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That's right.
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And if you go back too
far, and you wanna stick to just
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what they believe,
there's a lot of other baggage
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that comes with that,
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that we don't necessarily
or readily even accept today.
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So we'll talk about
some of those things
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I think during this program,
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but it's caused
me to kind of re...
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Not only study it again but
reaffirm my belief in the way
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that we understand the doctrine
of the Godhead or the Trinity.
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Okay, Pastor Dinzey.
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Yes. Coming...
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I guess I have come
from the perspective
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of the Spanish community.
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In the Spanish
community as well,
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this has been something
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that people have
had difficulty with,
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I would say accepting the
idea of God in three persons.
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And so there have
been things printed
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and things put on video
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that have caused concern
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and has caused
some people to waiver
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in understanding that God
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has given the Seventh-day
Adventist Church truth,
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that are solid truths.
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And when we look at
this topic in its purity
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and search it out
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and I asked the
Lord for understanding,
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I believe that God
has sufficient information
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in the scriptures to
help us understand that, yes,
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there are three
persons in the Godhead.
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Okay. Amen.
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I think a good place to
begin is in the beginning.
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Now there are three
beginnings in the Bible.
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I call them the
two additional Genesis.
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Obviously, Genesis,
and then you have Hebrews,
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and you have John.
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These three books...
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So let's just go ahead
and begin in the beginning,
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let's start with
Genesis chapter 1.
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Let's go to Genesis chapter 1
and look and as you get there,
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I have my tried and
true, broken in Bible,
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and I thank
Rochelle, John Stanton's wife
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for fixing my Bible case.
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It's been a lifesaver for me.
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But, John, begin with...
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Stanton, begin with verse one
and two of Genesis chapter 1.
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth.
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The earth was
without form, and void,
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and darkness was on
the face of the deep.
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And the Spirit of God
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was hovering over
the face of the waters."
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Okay.
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And let's start with a,
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let's start with a
basic question on that.
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When you read this text,
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth."
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I wanna go to a
couple of other passages.
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Anything you wanna add
to that, Pastor Dinzey?
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This passage helps
us to understand that
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we did not come by
chance and interestingly enough,
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there are scriptures that say,
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God created and
identifies the Father,
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God created, identifies the Son,
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and also God created and
identifies the Holy Spirit.
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So if you go to...
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Let's go to the
next one, Genesis 1:26.
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So we're gonna get the,
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we're gonna get the
expanded view of God
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in verse 26 and 27.
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Pastor Dinzey.
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"And God said, 'Let
us make man in our image,
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after our likeness.
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And let them have dominion
over the fish of the sea
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and over the fowls of
the air and over the cattle
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and over all the earth
and over every creeping thing
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that creepeth upon the earth.'
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So God created
man in His own image,
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in the image of
God created He him,
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male and female
created He them."
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Now something
that comes out there,
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anything you wanna add
to that, Pastor Stanton?
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No, I just think
it's kind of notable
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that they're talking
about God in a plural form.
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Right. Clearly that's the case.
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And then you go to,
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you go back to
verse 27, it says,
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"And God created
man in His own image."
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The word 'own' was
added for clarification,
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but in His
image, so His, you find,
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if you were to try
to dissect this passage
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and come up
with, one, was it Him?
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Was it them?
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And you go further down
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and you begin to see,
when God said, "and let..."
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God said, "Let us
make man in our image."
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So we have an us,
an our, and a His own,
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to clarify the position of God.
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Now the question is,
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who is God that
did this creating?
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Now let's go to John chapter 1.
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And I'm gonna have
Pastor Dinzey lead out on that.
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I'm using the last name,
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so that we don't all
answer at the same time.
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To say, John is a quandary
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when we all have
the same first name.
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But it's not a bad
thing, it's a good thing.
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It's a good
thing. John chapter 1.
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John chapter 1:1.
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"In the beginning was the Word,
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and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God."
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Shall we continue verse 2 and 3.
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"The same was in
the beginning with God.
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All things were created by Him,
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and without Him was not
any thing made that was made."
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And verse 4.
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So verse 4 says,
"In Him was life,
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and the life was
the light of men."
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Okay.
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So we got to break
this down, in a sense,
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anything you wanna add
to that, Pastor Stanton?
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No.
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I think one of the things
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that we can find
from the first verse
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that we read in Genesis 1
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is you find God mentioned
and you find the Holy Spirit
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mentioned in as
agents of creation.
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Here you're finding,
then in the beginning, Jesus,
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who is the word there as well.
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So we've already in the text
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that we've covered have seen
three beings within the Godhead
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who were part of
the creation story.
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And if you add verse 14 to that,
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do you have
that, John,... Stanton?
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It says, "And the
Word became flesh,
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and dwelt among us,
and we beheld His glory,
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the glory of the only
begotten of the Father,
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full of grace and truth."
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So what we have right now
is we have the word with God,
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the word is God, and
the word that was with God,
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and the word that is God,
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became flesh and dwelt among us.
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And we know in Matthew 1,
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I believe it's
verse 21, it says,
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"Call His name Jesus,
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for He will save His
people from their sin."
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Now we wanna go now...
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Anything you wanna add
to that, Pastor Dinzey,
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before we go to Psalms 90,
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because I'm talking about
the creative process right now
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when we establish the creator.
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Yes, I would like to point
out here that when it says,
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"In the beginning was the
Word and the Word was with God."
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The same was in
the beginning with God
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and all things were made by Him.
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I want to say that the
word which is Jesus as we...
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Has already been pointed
out, does not have a beginning.
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So Jesus Christ has
existed forever in the past.
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If you go...
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If you're able to
look way in the past,
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you can keep going and going
and not see a beginning date
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for the existence of
Jesus Christ, the Son.
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Go to Psalms 90
and read verse 1 and 2
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to emphasize that every point.
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Ah, very good.
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Psalms 90:1 and 2. Psalms 90.
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And 84, 90:1 and 2.
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Thus it is
written as the Bible says,
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"Lord, thou hast
been our dwelling place
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in all generations.
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Before the
mountains were brought forth,
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or ever thou hadst
formed the earth and the world,
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even from
everlasting to everlasting,
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thou art God."
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Okay.
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So when the Bible says,
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"Formed the
earth and the world..."
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We just read in John,
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without Him nothing
was made that was made.
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We clearly see that
the word that became flesh,
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according to the Bible,
formed the earth and the world.
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John 1, Genesis chapter 1,
without Him nothing was made.
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Now when the Bible
says, in the beginning,
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this is farther back.
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Can we agree on that?
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This is farther back
than the creation of earth.
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Yes. That's right.
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This is in the beginning,
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and the beginning is
better described here in Psalms,
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from everlasting to everlasting.
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How far back is everlasting?
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Can we give a date to that?
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Eternal past. Eternal past.
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And, right, I
think we mentioned this,
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we talked about this before,
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eternity has a past
as well as a future.
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So when the Bible says...
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Now this is what I'm
gonna establish the divinity
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and the eternity of Jesus.
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Because when you
use the word Jesus,
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it is only found
in the New Testament,
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but tying Jesus
into the creation
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as Genesis 1 does and John 1,
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and then we go now to Psalm 90,
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even from
everlasting to everlasting,
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you are God.
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So somebody might say,
"Wait a minute, wait a minute,
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Jesus is not God.
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I know the Word became
flesh and the Word was God,
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and the Word was with God."
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But Hebrews 1 now has to
be added to the equation."
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Yes. Okay?
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Hebrews 1 has to be
added to the equation,
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so that we could unequivocally
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come up with the conclusion that
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when the Bible says God,
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it is very much
talking about Jesus, all right?
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Anything else you wanna
add before we go to Hebrews 1?
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And Colossians 1 as well,
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we'll have to
finish up with that.
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Oh, yeah, matter of fact,
Colossians 1 is gonna go next,
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but Hebrews 1, you have that?
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Hebrews 1. Hebrews 1.
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Yes.
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That's by the way, I
call this the third Genesis.
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We're gonna read verse 1.
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Matter of fact,
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we can go to 1 and 2,
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and then we're
gonna go down to verse 8.
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Hebrews 1:1-8.
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Yeah. No, 1 and 2, and 8.
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Okay. 1, 2 and 8.
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"God, who at sundry times
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and in diverse
manners spake in time past
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unto the
fathers by the prophets,
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hath in these last days
spoken unto us by His Son,
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whom He hath
appointed heir of all things,
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by whom also He
made the worlds."
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Okay, so He, by the
Son He made the worlds.
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Yes. Okay, but now did...
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Is the Son God?
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Look at verse 8, Pastor Stanton.
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"But to the Son, He says,
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'Your throne, O
God, is forever and ever.
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A sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of your kingdom."
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So another word
for, ever and ever is,
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everlasting to everlasting.
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That's right. Amen.
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So you see right away, we've...
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According to the scriptures
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and I wanna shy
away from the fact
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that we have established,
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but the
scriptures have established
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the eternal nature of the Son,
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and I use the word
Son, so I don't say Jesus,
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because people will say,
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"Well, He wasn't called
Jesus in the eternity past.
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His name was called
Jesus in His incarnation."
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But now, John, lead us into...
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Now where are you? Colossians...
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Colossians 1. Okay.
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Beginning with the verse 15,
it's known sometimes by those
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who study the
scriptures as the Christ hymn.
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So Paul is sharing then a hymn
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that was sung by
the early church.
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And it begins by
this, it says in verse 15,
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"He is the image
of the invisible God,
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the firstborn over all creation.
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For by Him all things were
created that are in heaven,
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and are on the earth,
visible and invisible,
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whether thrones, or dominions,
or principalities, or powers.
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All things were created
through Him, and for Him.
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And He is before all things,
and in Him all things consist."
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The emphasis there
is, all. That's right.
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Before everything,
not just before the world,
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before the heavens.
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That's right.
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And the heavens then...
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From going back way
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to the beginning of the heavens,
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which the heavens
did have a beginning,
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were created by Jesus.
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That's right.
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And so I think even
more this is emphasizing
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the eternal nature of
Christ, past and future.
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Can we add anything
to that, Pastor Dinzey?
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No, I think that's...
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It's so marvelous to me,
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how the Bible's so
clear in its declaration
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of the pre-existence of
Christ prior to the time
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He shows up as a human being.
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And so as you read John
1, it says, "In Him was life,
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and the life was
the light of men."
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In Him, He is the
resurrection and the life.
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In Jesus Christ is
life, original, unborrowed,
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underived, He exists.
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As a matter of fact,
you can carefully show,
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there are scriptures that show
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that Jesus also
takes on the name
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in the Old
Testament described as,
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Yahweh or as some
people say, Jehovah.
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You can connect
the Old Testament
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and New Testament,
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and see scriptures
where Jesus makes declaration.
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John chapter 8, He says,
"Before Abraham was, I am."
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That's right.
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And that shocked the
scribes and the pharisees,
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because they knew He
had just used the words
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that is in the Old Testament.
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He says, "I am that
I am." That's right.
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They knew exactly
what He was saying.
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They knew exactly,
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that's why they
wanted to stone Him.
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Yeah. That's right.
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And I am is ever present, I
am doesn't have a beginning,
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I am doesn't have an end.
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That's right.
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I am is in the
context of present,
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I am, not I was.
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I always exist.
I always existed.
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That's the ever
present nature of the Son.
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It's amazing to me that
there's so much question here,
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now in
Colossians, read that again.
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What verses did you
cite in Colossians, again?
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I read 15-17.
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Okay.
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Colossians 2? 1.
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Colossians 1:15-17.
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Going back to that,
I wanna look at that,
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"He is the image
of the invisible God."
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So as He said to
Thomas, who doubted,
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show me the Father.
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And He said, "Have I
been with you so long
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that you have
not seen the Father.
00:22:06.29\00:22:08.26
If you have seen Me..."
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You have what?
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"You have seen the Father.
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By Him..."
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Verse 16, "all
things were created
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that are in heaven,
00:22:16.33\00:22:17.67
and that are on
earth, visible and invisible,
00:22:17.70\00:22:20.57
whether thrones, or dominions,
or principalities, or powers.
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All things were created
through Him, and for Him."
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In verse 17, it's huge
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and I don't
wanna run past verse 17
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because what we're seeing here,
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a couple of things
that are being mentioned,
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in the beginning was the word.
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In the beginning, how
far back is the beginning?
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Everlasting.
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How far is the future?
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Everlasting, when
it comes to Jesus.
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But the point that I wanna
make here is if He was created
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or as some people
twist the phrase of the word,
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begotten, if He came
forth from the Father,
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as the Father's first
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and then He
begets or births a son,
00:22:57.74\00:23:03.14
then He could not
be before all things.
00:23:03.18\00:23:07.65
He would be not the
creator but the created.
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So the created
cannot redeem the created.
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He has to be the one
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who brought
humanity into existence
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to qualify to be the
one who redeems humanity.
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Did you have a
text you want to read
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before I go to the next one?
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Well, I wanted to say that
one of the things that were...
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We just shared several verses
00:23:36.78\00:23:40.62
that help us to understand
something very significant
00:23:40.65\00:23:44.15
and that is the fact that
Jesus Christ is the creator
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and has no beginning,
He has always existed,
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but one other things that I
also wanna point out is that
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Jesus Christ is the creator,
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but one of the verses I
wanted to share in this respect,
00:24:04.57\00:24:08.68
it casing right
now, but let me go back,
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as soon as you keep talking,
that will come back to me.
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Okay.
00:24:13.35\00:24:14.68
Well, and I
think the issue here is
00:24:14.72\00:24:16.69
and I know we only wish
we had two programs on this.
00:24:16.72\00:24:19.82
But we've
established very clearly, Jesus,
00:24:19.85\00:24:22.86
a person of the God who
had separated from His Father.
00:24:22.89\00:24:25.16
That's right.
00:24:25.19\00:24:26.53
And that has had some challenge,
00:24:26.56\00:24:28.96
but not a significant amount
of challenge within our church.
00:24:29.00\00:24:31.77
I know to a great
degree it was, of course,
00:24:31.80\00:24:33.90
it began way back with
00:24:33.94\00:24:35.27
the Arian controversy, you know,
00:24:35.30\00:24:36.64
that's why we had the Council
of Nicaea that met together
00:24:36.67\00:24:38.77
and everybody battled over
00:24:38.81\00:24:40.21
what is the
truth in regard to God
00:24:40.24\00:24:42.34
and His personality
with the scriptures.
00:24:42.38\00:24:44.58
But then it begs the question,
where is the third person?
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That's right.
00:24:49.32\00:24:50.65
Now, is the third
person of the Godhead there
00:24:50.69\00:24:53.19
in the Old Testament?
00:24:53.22\00:24:54.56
Is He there in
the New Testament?
00:24:54.59\00:24:56.06
See now...
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I'm glad you went
back all the way to...
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Christians, through
our history have looked
00:24:59.73\00:25:02.86
at the scriptures and sought,
00:25:02.90\00:25:05.27
seeking to
understand Jesus the Son,
00:25:05.30\00:25:08.90
the Holy Spirit also,
and they have struggled
00:25:08.94\00:25:12.17
with
understanding all these things.
00:25:12.21\00:25:14.61
So you've mentioned the Arians
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and this is where
Seventh-day Adventists
00:25:17.18\00:25:19.75
differ as far as when
you mention the word Trinity,
00:25:19.78\00:25:23.05
because the word
Trinity means different things
00:25:23.08\00:25:24.92
to different denominations.
00:25:24.95\00:25:27.76
Some believe in The Trinity,
as they call The Trinity,
00:25:27.79\00:25:31.09
that's why, to
the point of thinking
00:25:31.13\00:25:34.96
that Jesus
Christ had a beginning.
00:25:35.00\00:25:37.50
As you
mentioned, some people say
00:25:37.53\00:25:38.93
He was begotten at
some point in time,
00:25:38.97\00:25:41.30
that He didn't exist.
00:25:41.34\00:25:42.67
But He was begotten
at some point in time,
00:25:42.70\00:25:44.04
and some people say,
00:25:44.07\00:25:45.41
"Well, He was created
at some point in time."
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No.
00:25:46.81\00:25:48.14
Jesus Christ has always existed
and this is where we differ.
00:25:48.18\00:25:51.11
When we say the
Trinity, we have to understand,
00:25:51.15\00:25:53.58
as Seventh-day Adventists,
00:25:53.62\00:25:54.95
we don't mean The Trinity
as others mean the Trinity,
00:25:54.98\00:25:56.79
that Christ had a beginning.
00:25:56.82\00:25:58.25
Christ did not have a beginning,
00:25:58.29\00:25:59.75
He has always existed as
we have already mentioned.
00:25:59.79\00:26:02.96
So when we say the Trinity,
00:26:02.99\00:26:04.73
those that believe that
Jesus Christ was created, no,
00:26:04.76\00:26:07.40
we don't believe as
you do in this respect
00:26:07.43\00:26:09.23
because the Bible says,
00:26:09.26\00:26:10.60
He did not have a beginning
and that He was not created.
00:26:10.63\00:26:13.64
Matter of fact, Isaiah
9:6 brings that point out.
00:26:13.67\00:26:16.00
Look at Isaiah
9:6. Oh, wonderful.
00:26:16.04\00:26:17.74
And then we're gonna
go into this Holy Spirit,
00:26:17.77\00:26:19.51
because that's
where the big controversy,
00:26:19.54\00:26:21.18
some people think the
Holy Spirit is a force,
00:26:21.21\00:26:23.68
something that's ethereal,
if you get to Isaiah 9:6,
00:26:23.71\00:26:26.72
read that for us.
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I am here.
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This passage is so powerful
00:26:29.48\00:26:30.82
as it relates
to the pre-existing
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and the eternity of Christ.
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"For unto us a child is
born, unto us a son is given,
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and the government
will be upon His shoulder,
00:26:38.53\00:26:40.96
and His name will be called,
00:26:41.00\00:26:42.43
Wonderful,
Counsellor, Mighty God,
00:26:42.46\00:26:46.10
Everlasting
Father, Prince of Peace."
00:26:46.13\00:26:50.11
Everlasting, everlasting.
00:26:50.14\00:26:54.48
When does
everlasting begin, everlasting,
00:26:54.51\00:26:57.65
from everlasting to everlasting.
00:26:57.68\00:27:00.72
But you also find here the unity
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He has with the Father.
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So much so that He's referred
to as the everlasting Father.
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Amen.
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So clearly there's a unity here
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that is expressed
in the Old Testament.
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I think one of the
challenges with the Holy Spirit
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is that you don't find
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the Holy Spirit's
role specifically defined
00:27:21.14\00:27:23.34
as much in the Old Testament.
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It is much more
defined in the New.
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Jesus is very clear in His
statement, in John 14 that,
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that the disciples should pray
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for the gift of the Holy Spirit,
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and they will be given, in fact,
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in that whole
statement in John 14, He says,
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basically, if you ask anything
in regard to that, you know,
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glorifying God, the
Holy Spirit coming down,
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doing His work through you,
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I will do it.
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You know, you just mentioned
something that is powerful,
00:27:51.07\00:27:52.73
I've never even
thought about that.
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To this point,
when Jesus says to them,
00:27:55.30\00:27:57.44
"Ask anything in My name."
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You don't hear an angel,
making that type of expression.
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You can ask anything.
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No angel has said this statement
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because only the
creator can make that statement.
00:28:06.75\00:28:10.12
There you go. Ask
anything in My name.
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Yeah.
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So He has and He knows
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what the
disciples need and says,
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"I will have my
Father send you the gift."
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Amen.
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And He's saying that, He's
not necessarily even saying,
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I think in that verse,
if you read it closely,
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that the gift is just from Him.
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Right. It's from His father.
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That's right.
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And it's a gift that
they should earnestly seek
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and that the gift will not come,
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unless what happens?
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Unless I leave.
Unless He leaves.
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So something is happening
here where Christ ascends
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and the Holy Spirit descends.
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Then at Pentecost,
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you have the
disciples meeting together
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and they are unified,
00:28:50.66\00:28:52.19
they're praying
for the outpouring
00:28:52.23\00:28:53.70
of the Holy Spirit, it comes,
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and it's an
affirmation right there,
00:28:56.33\00:28:58.03
it's confirmation that
Jesus is on the throne.
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Amen, Amen. Wonderful.
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That's the
whole study by itself.
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Yeah.
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They can shout to the hilltops,
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Jesus is now
assumed His position
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next to the Father and
we have received His Spirit
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and He now dwells
with us through the agents
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of the Holy Spirit.
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But the Holy Spirit
isn't just Christ's force.
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No.
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And this is what
we wanna talk about,
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it's not just the force.
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He steps in as the
agent of recreation.
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Amen. So we talked about...
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In Genesis 1:1-2, we
talked about the Holy Spirit
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hovering over the waters
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and is active in the
creation of the world.
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Well, He's also active in
the re-creation of mankind.
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Yes, He is.
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It's almost like He's
specialized in that work.
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That's right.
00:29:51.32\00:29:53.05
But clearly, He's
different than Christ is,
00:29:53.09\00:29:57.96
who is sitting on the throne.
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He's a separate
distinct being of the Godhead.
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And I think that's what we
wanna kind of get into here
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and I've got a lot of stuff.
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I think we all have some
things we can add to that.
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Here's where we wanna, we
wanna dive into John 16:13
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and then we're gonna look
at some passages in Acts 5.
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But what we're gonna
establish here clearly is
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the work of the Holy Spirit
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and also the divine
origin of the Holy Spirit,
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the separateness
of the Holy Spirit.
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Let's start with John 16.
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And then Acts 5, Acts 5
has done a wonderful job.
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In John 16:13,
and I pass to Dinzey.
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John 16:13. Yeah. We're gonna...
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Let me just turn there. Yes.
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And
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John 16:13-15.
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We're gonna see, we're gonna see
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all three referred to clearly.
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All right. Verse 13.
00:30:58.19\00:31:00.99
"Howbeit" or "However, when
He, the Spirit of truth is come,
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He will guide
you into all truth,
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for He shall not
speak of Himself,
00:31:08.20\00:31:11.00
but whatsoever He shall
hear, that shall He speak,
00:31:11.03\00:31:15.90
and He will show
you things to come."
00:31:15.94\00:31:18.01
Verse 14.
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Verse 14, "He shall glorify me,
for He shall receive of mine,
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and shall show it unto you."
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And verse 15.
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"All things that the
Father hath are mine.
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Therefore said I,
that He shall take of mine,
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and shall show it unto you."
00:31:32.79\00:31:34.32
Okay. So right there in
verse 15 brought all three.
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Whatever the Father has is mine,
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He, the Spirit will take what
is mine and declare it to you.
00:31:38.99\00:31:43.03
But so, what do
we see over and over
00:31:43.06\00:31:46.53
that shows us He
is in fact a person.
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He, He, He, He,
00:31:49.87\00:31:53.91
the pronoun of a designated
00:31:53.94\00:31:59.88
He, He, over and
over, not a force.
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It's a pronoun of an
individual that has a will.
00:32:03.12\00:32:06.32
That's right.
00:32:06.35\00:32:07.69
And there's no doubt about that.
00:32:07.72\00:32:09.06
Anyone that doesn't have a will,
00:32:09.09\00:32:10.53
a separate will that
can act as an individual,
00:32:10.56\00:32:13.29
you wouldn't give the
pronoun, he or she, to.
00:32:13.33\00:32:15.76
I mean, it's just, that's
the way our language works
00:32:15.80\00:32:18.30
and that's the intention
of the Greek here as well.
00:32:18.33\00:32:20.87
That's right,
that's right. And it's...
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I made emphasis on,
shall hear and speak...
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That's right.
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For that reason,
because the Holy Spirit is a...
00:32:29.44\00:32:33.28
We use the word, a
person. That's right.
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And so there are some
religious groups or individuals
00:32:35.55\00:32:40.86
that don't, do not believe
the Holy Spirit is a person,
00:32:40.89\00:32:44.03
a divine being...
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But as you mentioned
00:32:45.73\00:32:47.06
and Pastor
Stanton has mentioned,
00:32:47.10\00:32:48.63
a force, and a
force cannot hear,
00:32:48.66\00:32:51.67
and a force cannot speak.
00:32:51.70\00:32:53.17
That's right, that's
right. Nor can a force...
00:32:53.20\00:32:55.67
Remember Romans 8,
00:32:55.70\00:32:57.31
nor can a force
bring back to the Father,
00:32:57.34\00:32:59.64
telling the
Father what our will is
00:32:59.67\00:33:02.71
or desires are when we pray.
00:33:02.74\00:33:04.41
Yes. That's right.
00:33:04.45\00:33:05.85
His functioning. That's right.
00:33:05.88\00:33:07.38
He hears, He speaks,
He shows, He directs.
00:33:07.42\00:33:10.65
Well, and let me run
down just really quick
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for people that wanna study.
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"He teaches the truth."
John 16:13, just read...
00:33:14.06\00:33:15.99
Yeah, so good idea
to write those down.
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Yeah, He convicts of
sin. John 16:8, He helps.
00:33:17.63\00:33:20.83
John 14:16. He testifies.
00:33:20.86\00:33:23.33
John 15:26. He guides.
00:33:23.37\00:33:25.53
John 16:13. He regenerates.
00:33:25.57\00:33:27.90
Ezekiel 36:25-27. He
forbids and prohibits.
00:33:27.94\00:33:31.44
Acts 16:6. He commands.
00:33:31.47\00:33:33.94
Acts 16:67. He
appoints. He leads.
00:33:33.98\00:33:37.31
He...I mean, it
goes on and on and on.
00:33:37.35\00:33:39.71
He has a will and He's acting
on behalf of God, the Godhead,
00:33:39.75\00:33:45.45
to regenerate, to move, to
drive the actions of Christ,
00:33:45.49\00:33:51.39
His church, and His people.
00:33:51.43\00:33:53.66
Go to Acts 5.
00:33:53.70\00:33:55.03
Thank you, Pastor
Stanton, for that.
00:33:55.06\00:33:56.56
In those characteristics,
00:33:56.60\00:33:58.93
those functions
cannot happen in a force.
00:33:58.97\00:34:03.87
When Jesus was
talking to Nicodemus, He says,
00:34:03.91\00:34:06.47
"The wind blows
and you don't know
00:34:06.51\00:34:09.44
where it comes from,
00:34:09.48\00:34:10.81
you don't know
where it's going."
00:34:10.85\00:34:12.18
And then He says, "So
also is the Holy Spirit."
00:34:12.21\00:34:15.48
That's right.
00:34:15.52\00:34:16.85
You don't know
where He's coming from,
00:34:16.89\00:34:18.25
you don't know where He's going,
00:34:18.29\00:34:19.62
but He didn't say the
Holy Spirit is a wind.
00:34:19.65\00:34:22.06
Right. He didn't.
00:34:22.09\00:34:23.66
He didn't say the
Holy Spirit is a wind.
00:34:23.69\00:34:25.43
The closest association
you get with the wind,
00:34:25.46\00:34:27.53
He says...
00:34:27.56\00:34:28.90
And there was a sound heard
as of a rushing mighty wind.
00:34:28.93\00:34:33.17
And the place that
they were sitting was,
00:34:33.20\00:34:34.87
was, you know,
they saw cloven tongues
00:34:34.90\00:34:36.81
as a fire and the place that
they were sitting was shaken.
00:34:36.84\00:34:39.74
The power that was attending
those in the upper room
00:34:39.77\00:34:43.21
on the day of Pentecost,
00:34:43.24\00:34:44.58
the Bible didn't say
a wind came in there,
00:34:44.61\00:34:46.28
but they heard a sound like
as of the rushing mighty wind.
00:34:46.31\00:34:49.18
Prime example, if you
stood on the subway platform
00:34:49.22\00:34:51.92
in New York City,
have you ever did that?
00:34:51.95\00:34:54.16
Have you ever
done that? Oh, yes.
00:34:54.19\00:34:55.52
Well, not in New
York, in Chicago.
00:34:55.56\00:34:57.36
New York and Chicago.
00:34:57.39\00:34:58.73
But if you're
underground, like in London,
00:34:58.76\00:35:01.00
if you're
underground, you hear the wind
00:35:01.03\00:35:03.00
but you're not gonna get
on the wind to go anywhere,
00:35:03.03\00:35:05.67
you're gonna get on the train,
00:35:05.70\00:35:07.04
but the wind proceeds
the approach of the train.
00:35:07.07\00:35:10.31
We say, you feel the breeze
picking up and the strong...
00:35:10.34\00:35:13.84
You say, it's
closer, it's closer,
00:35:13.88\00:35:15.84
and then all of a sudden,
hoo, and the train is here.
00:35:15.88\00:35:19.88
In the very same way
that the wind is blowing.
00:35:19.91\00:35:22.68
Acts 5, did I say Acts 5?
00:35:22.72\00:35:25.29
We're gonna look at a
very wonderful example,
00:35:25.32\00:35:27.06
where now the apostle
Peter makes a clear illustration
00:35:27.09\00:35:31.46
of connecting the
Holy Spirit to God.
00:35:31.49\00:35:36.03
All right. Acts 5:3.
00:35:36.06\00:35:38.27
Now the story is,
Ananias and Sapphira promised
00:35:38.30\00:35:40.44
to return to the Lord
what He blessed them with.
00:35:40.47\00:35:42.94
He said, "The
property that I'm getting...
00:35:42.97\00:35:44.87
Lord, we're gonna
give you our property,
00:35:44.91\00:35:46.41
whatever you give to us,
00:35:46.44\00:35:48.48
we're gonna give
it to the church."
00:35:48.51\00:35:50.21
But all of the sudden, the Lord
blessed it as He said He would.
00:35:50.25\00:35:53.85
Pressed down, shaken together,
00:35:53.88\00:35:55.62
and they had more
than they ever imagined,
00:35:55.65\00:35:57.75
and they planned
amongst themselves,
00:35:57.79\00:36:01.16
"Well, nobody knows
all this money is ours.
00:36:01.19\00:36:04.33
Let's go ahead and do
something else with it."
00:36:04.36\00:36:06.90
They arrive at church
and Peter is standing,
00:36:06.93\00:36:10.83
and Ananias is
standing in front of Peter,
00:36:10.87\00:36:13.23
and Ananias lies to
Peter about what happened.
00:36:13.27\00:36:17.31
Now verse 3, John, pick
that up for us, Stanton.
00:36:17.34\00:36:19.84
Peter said, "Ananias, why
has Satan filled your heart
00:36:19.87\00:36:22.78
to lie to the Holy Spirit?
00:36:22.81\00:36:24.88
And keep back part of the
price of the land for yourself."
00:36:24.91\00:36:27.98
Okay. And then verse 5, verse 4.
00:36:28.02\00:36:32.05
"While it remained,
was it not your own?
00:36:32.09\00:36:34.62
And after it was sold,
00:36:34.66\00:36:36.02
was it not under
your own control?
00:36:36.06\00:36:39.16
Why have you conceived
this thing in your heart?
00:36:39.19\00:36:41.50
You have not lied
to men, but to God."
00:36:41.53\00:36:43.93
Okay. Who did he
equate to be God?
00:36:43.97\00:36:48.24
The Holy Spirit.
He said it clearly.
00:36:48.27\00:36:50.31
Not anything that we've come
up with any twisted association,
00:36:50.34\00:36:53.78
you've lied, why has
Satan filled your heart
00:36:53.81\00:36:56.48
to lie to the Holy Spirit?
00:36:56.51\00:36:57.98
You have not lied
to men, but to God.
00:36:58.01\00:37:01.98
Here's the
amazing thing about this.
00:37:02.02\00:37:03.79
We don't sit around in
common language as buddies.
00:37:03.82\00:37:06.79
We don't hang out and go,
00:37:06.82\00:37:09.09
"Boy, that spiritual force
that you just sent over to me,
00:37:09.12\00:37:11.79
boy, that was powerful."
00:37:11.83\00:37:13.16
I had...
00:37:13.19\00:37:14.53
We don't sit there
talking about the force
00:37:14.56\00:37:15.93
that emanates from us.
00:37:15.96\00:37:17.30
Of course, we're not gods, so
this is not a perfect example.
00:37:17.33\00:37:19.20
Right.
00:37:19.23\00:37:20.57
But if the Holy
Spirit was not God,
00:37:20.60\00:37:23.44
neither would they stand around
talking about the Holy Spirit,
00:37:23.47\00:37:26.27
they'd be talking about what
God's doing through His power.
00:37:26.31\00:37:30.01
But they're talking
about a distinct individual,
00:37:30.05\00:37:32.55
a being of the
Godhead, the Holy Spirit,
00:37:32.58\00:37:34.78
and what He's doing
according to His will.
00:37:34.82\00:37:37.65
That's right.
00:37:37.69\00:37:39.15
The language, even the language
is written from scripture,
00:37:39.19\00:37:41.76
is not conducive
00:37:41.79\00:37:43.22
to the Holy
Spirit being a force.
00:37:43.26\00:37:44.59
It just does not
work, it doesn't fit.
00:37:44.63\00:37:46.49
You know, it does not work,
you know, you used the example,
00:37:46.53\00:37:49.73
like a rushing mighty
wind, at the same time,
00:37:49.76\00:37:52.90
you have another picture of God,
00:37:52.93\00:37:56.84
you have the Father, the
Son, and the Holy Spirit.
00:37:56.87\00:37:58.54
When Jesus was
baptized, we can turn there,
00:37:58.57\00:38:00.78
but I don't
know if we have time,
00:38:00.81\00:38:04.01
where you see
Jesus being baptized,
00:38:04.05\00:38:07.98
the Father saying,
"This is my beloved Son."
00:38:08.02\00:38:11.15
And also the Holy
Spirit descending like a dove,
00:38:11.19\00:38:14.56
and I meant to mention this
because some people will say,
00:38:14.59\00:38:18.26
"Well, there you go
like a rushing mighty wind."
00:38:18.29\00:38:20.90
But here the Holy
Spirit descended like a dove,
00:38:20.93\00:38:23.43
does that mean the
Holy Spirit is a dove?
00:38:23.47\00:38:25.57
No. No.
00:38:25.60\00:38:26.94
That's to help us understand
the idea of softly coming,
00:38:26.97\00:38:32.61
it doesn't say the Holy
Spirit descended like an eagle.
00:38:32.64\00:38:35.31
Right.
00:38:35.34\00:38:36.68
It was a gentle
descending of the Holy Spirit.
00:38:36.71\00:38:40.52
Yeah.
00:38:40.55\00:38:41.88
Good association, gently,
and the dove used in the ark,
00:38:41.92\00:38:44.72
also used showing
the gentleness of Christ,
00:38:44.75\00:38:47.36
the gentleness of God.
00:38:47.39\00:38:49.06
Well, and we use the Holy Spirit
00:38:49.09\00:38:50.46
is referred to
as a symbol of oil.
00:38:50.49\00:38:52.83
That's right. Yes.
00:38:52.86\00:38:54.20
There's lots of
different symbols
00:38:54.23\00:38:55.56
there about the Holy Spirit,
00:38:55.60\00:38:56.93
it doesn't mean
Holy Spirit is oil.
00:38:56.97\00:38:58.30
That's right.
00:38:58.33\00:38:59.67
So you can't, it
doesn't work to associate that
00:38:59.70\00:39:01.04
it's really like a wind.
00:39:01.07\00:39:02.40
That's right.
00:39:02.44\00:39:03.77
In our modern
society, we won't say
00:39:03.81\00:39:05.14
the Holy Spirit is gasoline
00:39:05.17\00:39:06.51
because we know
that's combustible.
00:39:06.54\00:39:07.88
Right? Yeah.
00:39:07.91\00:39:09.24
Once again, a tender reference
to the holiness of the Godhead.
00:39:09.28\00:39:11.71
Now you quoted a passage that...
00:39:11.75\00:39:16.22
I have to say, it's irrefutable.
00:39:16.25\00:39:18.29
There in Acts 5, it says,
00:39:18.32\00:39:20.86
"You have not lied
to men but to God,"
00:39:20.89\00:39:23.76
referring to the Holy Spirit.
00:39:23.79\00:39:25.56
That's irrefutable,
I mean, it clearly says
00:39:25.59\00:39:27.90
the Holy Spirit is God.
00:39:27.93\00:39:29.86
And one of the issues
that has been brought up
00:39:29.90\00:39:32.83
in this struggle that
people have to understand
00:39:32.87\00:39:35.70
the Holy Spirit is,
00:39:35.74\00:39:37.31
"Well, you know, the Bible says,
00:39:37.34\00:39:39.14
'Worship the Son,
and worship the Father,
00:39:39.17\00:39:40.91
but there's no
scripture that says,
00:39:40.94\00:39:42.28
worship the Holy Spirit.'"
00:39:42.31\00:39:44.11
And that's true, you
will not find a scripture
00:39:44.15\00:39:45.61
that says directly,
worship the Holy Spirit,
00:39:45.65\00:39:47.88
but you find scriptures
that say, worship God.
00:39:47.92\00:39:50.72
And if the Holy Spirit,
as we just read, is God,
00:39:50.75\00:39:53.15
then it says
you're supposed to worship
00:39:53.19\00:39:54.82
the Holy Spirit as well.
00:39:54.86\00:39:56.19
And I would say this.
00:39:56.22\00:39:57.63
It does say to worship
God in spirit and truth.
00:39:57.66\00:40:01.46
Right.
00:40:01.50\00:40:02.83
And I'm glad you
brought that up, because I was
00:40:02.86\00:40:04.20
just gonna say, very
wonderful connection,
00:40:04.23\00:40:06.80
I was just gonna say...
00:40:06.84\00:40:08.17
So He's very much
involved in how we worship.
00:40:08.20\00:40:10.11
That's right.
00:40:10.14\00:40:11.47
You cannot worship God
apart from the Holy Spirit.
00:40:11.51\00:40:15.71
That's right. It's
actually worse than that.
00:40:15.74\00:40:17.58
Here's what I fear
that this doctrine,
00:40:17.61\00:40:20.28
this anti-trinitarian
doctrine is doing.
00:40:20.32\00:40:23.18
It's actually removing
some of what the Holy Spirit
00:40:23.22\00:40:28.16
can do in the lives of
people, opened to Him as God,
00:40:28.19\00:40:32.69
regenerating and changing them.
00:40:32.73\00:40:34.36
It's quenching some of
that work that's possible.
00:40:34.40\00:40:39.43
This may sound harsh, but it's,
00:40:39.47\00:40:41.34
the Holy Spirit
brings truth to us.
00:40:41.37\00:40:43.07
Amen.
00:40:43.10\00:40:44.44
If you say the Holy
Spirit doesn't exist,
00:40:44.47\00:40:46.51
how capable are you of
receiving truth from Him?
00:40:46.54\00:40:50.41
Honestly. Oh, yes.
00:40:50.45\00:40:51.95
The Bible says He will
guide us into our truth.
00:40:51.98\00:40:54.02
Yeah. And so you say, "Oh,
the Holy Spirit will guide us.
00:40:54.05\00:40:56.38
But I don't believe it's
actually a being of God."
00:40:56.42\00:40:59.55
So what does that...
What does that do to truth?
00:40:59.59\00:41:01.36
Wouldn't it stifle it.
00:41:01.39\00:41:03.06
I would find probably, you'd be,
00:41:03.09\00:41:04.96
you'd be a lot more troubled
00:41:04.99\00:41:06.90
or it would bit more difficult
for you to comprehend truth
00:41:06.93\00:41:09.53
when you're
denying the Holy Spirit,
00:41:09.56\00:41:11.63
than if you accept Him
in His fullness as God.
00:41:11.67\00:41:15.47
You know, I like
to point this out
00:41:15.50\00:41:17.07
because some of the ideas
00:41:17.11\00:41:19.61
that people have brought
out is that there are some...
00:41:19.64\00:41:23.98
There's at least
one religious group
00:41:24.01\00:41:25.61
that believes in the
Trinity and people say,
00:41:25.65\00:41:27.88
"Well, that's a pagan religion,
that particular religion,
00:41:27.92\00:41:30.99
and they believe in the Trinity,
00:41:31.02\00:41:32.35
but we don't
believe in "The Trinity"
00:41:32.39\00:41:34.62
as they believe in the Trinity,
00:41:34.66\00:41:35.99
because that group believes
00:41:36.02\00:41:37.36
that Jesus
Christ had a beginning
00:41:37.39\00:41:38.73
and was created at
sometime in the past
00:41:38.76\00:41:40.10
or came forth from the Father."
00:41:40.13\00:41:42.50
At the same point,
00:41:42.53\00:41:44.37
that religious
groups also believes
00:41:44.40\00:41:46.67
that we should
worship God in temples.
00:41:46.70\00:41:48.74
Does that mean we
shouldn't worship God in church?
00:41:48.77\00:41:51.77
Well, no.
00:41:51.81\00:41:53.14
They have other beliefs
that are biblical, but you see,
00:41:53.17\00:41:57.91
we have to see that
it's in the scriptures,
00:41:57.95\00:42:02.52
the Holy Spirit as a
person is in the scriptures.
00:42:02.55\00:42:05.65
If other people
believe and they have error,
00:42:05.69\00:42:08.06
doesn't mean that is
not in the scripture.
00:42:08.09\00:42:10.73
You have to look
at the scriptures.
00:42:10.76\00:42:12.09
What do the scriptures say?
00:42:12.13\00:42:13.46
We are pointing
scriptures that are very solid.
00:42:13.50\00:42:15.46
Evidence for the
Holy Spirit is the person,
00:42:15.50\00:42:18.53
the Holy Spirit is God.
00:42:18.57\00:42:21.17
There was a list compiled
by Dr. Shepherd up at Andrews,
00:42:21.20\00:42:26.27
of 40 different texts
that actually are passages,
00:42:26.31\00:42:29.61
not one text but a passage
00:42:29.64\00:42:31.75
that refers to
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
00:42:31.78\00:42:34.68
in each of these passages.
00:42:34.72\00:42:37.02
So 40 times... We'll
look at a few of those.
00:42:37.05\00:42:38.99
Forty times you have referenced,
00:42:39.02\00:42:41.39
Father, Son, Holy
Spirit, in some capacity.
00:42:41.42\00:42:44.56
Now that doesn't...
00:42:44.59\00:42:45.93
You cannot say that
in each of those cases,
00:42:45.96\00:42:48.23
it's just the two
beings of the Godhead
00:42:48.26\00:42:49.90
and a passing
reference to their force.
00:42:49.93\00:42:52.30
That's not what the
Bible's trying to tell us.
00:42:52.33\00:42:53.84
The Bible is
undeniably describing
00:42:53.87\00:42:58.44
the three-person Godhead.
00:42:58.47\00:43:00.24
Let's even make it,
let's warm it up some.
00:43:00.28\00:43:02.21
Let's go to Matthew 12.
00:43:02.24\00:43:04.75
Matthew 12, the points
that I really like you made here
00:43:04.78\00:43:08.68
is when you deny the existence
of the person of Holy Spirit.
00:43:08.72\00:43:12.09
Oh, it's a very good point.
00:43:12.12\00:43:13.46
When you deny the existence
00:43:13.49\00:43:14.82
of the person
of the Holy Spirit,
00:43:14.86\00:43:16.19
then you say, "Well,
this force is of no value,
00:43:16.22\00:43:19.33
because it's just a
force, it's just an impression,
00:43:19.36\00:43:22.40
it's just a feeling that I get."
00:43:22.43\00:43:24.93
Lot of people say,
"I'm in the Spirit."
00:43:24.97\00:43:26.67
But they don't
want to be in the truth.
00:43:26.70\00:43:28.04
You cannot be in the
Spirit and not be in the truth.
00:43:28.07\00:43:30.31
It's not possible, because
He is the Spirit of truth.
00:43:30.34\00:43:33.38
Amen. You see.
00:43:33.41\00:43:34.74
But look at this,
this is even more powerful.
00:43:34.78\00:43:36.58
Matthew 12:31-32.
00:43:36.61\00:43:38.51
Stanton, could you read
that for us, Pastor Stanton?
00:43:38.55\00:43:40.98
12:31-32.
00:43:41.02\00:43:43.32
"Therefore I say to you,
00:43:43.35\00:43:44.69
every sin and blasphemy
will be forgiven unto men,
00:43:44.72\00:43:46.96
but blasphemy against the Spirit
00:43:46.99\00:43:48.46
will not be forgiven unto men."
00:43:48.49\00:43:49.82
And watch this, "Any
sin will be forgiven but..."
00:43:49.86\00:43:52.99
Look at this, next
verse, it heightens it.
00:43:53.03\00:43:55.30
"Anyone who speaks a
word against the Son of Man,
00:43:55.33\00:43:57.73
it will be forgiven him"
00:43:57.77\00:43:59.10
Pause.
00:43:59.13\00:44:00.47
So if you speak
against Jesus, what happens?
00:44:00.50\00:44:02.04
He'll forgive
you. But let's go on.
00:44:02.07\00:44:05.24
"But whoever speaks
against the Holy Spirit,
00:44:05.27\00:44:07.74
it will not be forgiven him,
00:44:07.78\00:44:09.11
either in this age
or in the age to come."
00:44:09.14\00:44:11.21
Can they be the
same? That's very serious.
00:44:11.25\00:44:13.25
That's serious. Yeah.
00:44:13.28\00:44:15.08
And they can't be the same.
00:44:15.12\00:44:16.45
They cannot be the same
because one will be forgiven,
00:44:16.48\00:44:18.42
one will not be forgiven.
00:44:18.45\00:44:19.92
And I think the
point here is that
00:44:19.95\00:44:21.46
speaking out
against the Holy Spirit,
00:44:21.49\00:44:23.99
in that you reject
His act of His own will
00:44:24.03\00:44:27.23
to enlighten, and
inspire, and to change,
00:44:27.26\00:44:30.67
and transform you,
if you're denying Him
00:44:30.70\00:44:32.87
the ability to do
that, how can He do it?
00:44:32.90\00:44:36.50
Let me show you why...
00:44:36.54\00:44:37.87
And by the way, not necessarily
that cannot or I won't forgive,
00:44:37.91\00:44:41.64
but cannot because of
the position that we're in.
00:44:41.68\00:44:44.48
That's right, cannot.
00:44:44.51\00:44:45.85
Well, I mean,
how powerful is that?
00:44:45.88\00:44:48.85
It will not be
forgiven him either in this age,
00:44:48.88\00:44:52.35
or in the world to come.
00:44:52.39\00:44:53.72
And don't picture a God
that's turning His back.
00:44:53.76\00:44:55.19
No.
00:44:55.22\00:44:56.56
That's not what
He's talking about.
00:44:56.59\00:44:57.93
He's talking about the
persistence of rejecting
00:44:57.96\00:45:00.50
the work of the Spirit.
00:45:00.53\00:45:01.86
Now let me show you
why you cannot be forgiven.
00:45:01.90\00:45:03.37
Go to John 16, Pastor Dinzey,
00:45:03.40\00:45:06.67
and read for us the verse 7...
00:45:06.70\00:45:11.71
John 16:7-9.
00:45:11.74\00:45:18.65
All right.
00:45:18.68\00:45:20.48
John 16:7-9.
00:45:20.52\00:45:22.68
This is why you
cannot be forgiven.
00:45:22.72\00:45:24.42
John 16:7-9.
00:45:24.45\00:45:26.82
"Nevertheless I
tell you the truth.
00:45:26.86\00:45:28.52
It is expedient
for you that I go away,
00:45:28.56\00:45:31.19
for if I go not away,
00:45:31.23\00:45:32.63
the Comforter
will not come unto you,
00:45:32.66\00:45:34.80
but if I depart, I
will send Him unto you."
00:45:34.83\00:45:37.47
Okay, now, let's pause
before we go any further.
00:45:37.50\00:45:39.13
I've got to
leave for Him to come,
00:45:39.17\00:45:43.34
therefore He's not
here, but I'm here.
00:45:43.37\00:45:46.34
I've got to leave
for Him to show up.
00:45:46.37\00:45:49.01
Can't be the
same person. No. No.
00:45:49.04\00:45:50.75
If I don't
leave, He is not coming.
00:45:50.78\00:45:53.01
Now I said we're
gonna continue reading
00:45:53.05\00:45:55.02
to see why it's so dangerous
00:45:55.05\00:45:58.05
to deny the
divinity of the Holy Spirit.
00:45:58.09\00:45:59.79
Keep going. Verse 8.
00:45:59.82\00:46:02.56
Verse 8, "And when He is come,
00:46:02.59\00:46:04.43
He will reprove
the world of sin,
00:46:04.46\00:46:06.86
and of
righteousness, and of judgment."
00:46:06.90\00:46:08.86
Okay. So what is His work?
00:46:08.90\00:46:10.40
To reprove of what?
00:46:10.43\00:46:12.00
Sin, righteousness, judgment.
00:46:12.03\00:46:14.94
So now you shut the person down
00:46:14.97\00:46:16.81
that's sort of
proving you have sinned,
00:46:16.84\00:46:18.47
can you see your sin?
00:46:18.51\00:46:19.84
Serious.
00:46:19.87\00:46:21.21
So if you cannot see your sin
because you shut off the light
00:46:21.24\00:46:24.15
that's pointing to your sin,
00:46:24.18\00:46:26.35
then you remain in sin
and you cannot be forgiven.
00:46:26.38\00:46:29.98
Because if you
don't know you have sinned
00:46:30.02\00:46:32.29
because you shut off the
light that detects your sin,
00:46:32.32\00:46:34.82
then you cannot
confess your sin.
00:46:34.86\00:46:36.93
Therefore, He
cannot forgive you.
00:46:36.96\00:46:38.29
1 John 1:9.
00:46:38.33\00:46:39.66
"Therefore, you
will not be forgiven
00:46:39.69\00:46:42.56
in this life or
in the life to come."
00:46:42.60\00:46:45.30
Look at the next verse.
00:46:45.33\00:46:48.37
Verse 9.
00:46:48.40\00:46:49.74
Verse 9, "Of sin,
because they believe not on me."
00:46:49.77\00:46:52.31
Verse 10.
00:46:52.34\00:46:53.68
"Of righteousness,
because I go to My Father
00:46:53.71\00:46:55.61
and you see Me no more."
00:46:55.64\00:46:57.15
And verse 11.
00:46:57.18\00:46:58.51
"Of judgment, because
00:46:58.55\00:46:59.88
the Prince of
this world is judged."
00:46:59.91\00:47:01.65
So you'll see clearly
00:47:01.68\00:47:03.02
if the Spirit
of God is shutdown,
00:47:03.05\00:47:07.29
it's like turning
off the convicting power,
00:47:07.32\00:47:10.96
that the Lord
said "I've come..."
00:47:10.99\00:47:14.56
To get this, Jesus
came and did His part.
00:47:14.60\00:47:17.30
Yes. He died...
00:47:17.33\00:47:18.87
He took our sin on Him,
He took it to the cross,
00:47:18.90\00:47:22.30
He redeemed us.
00:47:22.34\00:47:23.81
He became sin for us,
to redeem us from the curse
00:47:23.84\00:47:27.08
that was on us.
00:47:27.11\00:47:28.44
That curse of sin,
He broke Adam's nature.
00:47:28.48\00:47:31.01
He said, "I did my part,
but now I've got to leave,
00:47:31.05\00:47:33.62
because now I will
forever possess human flesh.
00:47:33.65\00:47:36.22
I cannot be
everyplace at the same time,
00:47:36.25\00:47:38.15
but I have to
send somebody who can."
00:47:38.19\00:47:39.99
That's right.
00:47:40.02\00:47:41.36
Right? Yeah.
00:47:41.39\00:47:42.72
"I will never leave you,
nor I'll never forsake you."
00:47:42.76\00:47:44.09
John 15:15. Look at the verse.
00:47:44.13\00:47:45.46
Verse 15. Okay. Look at that.
00:47:45.49\00:47:46.83
Read it, you have it?
00:47:46.86\00:47:48.20
"All things that the
Father has are Mine."
00:47:48.23\00:47:49.56
Okay. Okay, that's who?
00:47:49.60\00:47:51.13
That's Father. John 15:15.
00:47:51.17\00:47:52.93
And that's Jesus.
You said John 15:15?
00:47:52.97\00:47:56.10
John 15:15, "All that
the Father has are Mine.
00:47:56.14\00:48:00.08
Therefore, I said
that He, "the Holy Spirit,"
00:48:00.11\00:48:02.41
will take of Mine
and declare it to you."
00:48:02.44\00:48:04.75
You're sure it's 15?
00:48:04.78\00:48:07.18
Oh, 16:15, I'm sorry.
00:48:07.22\00:48:08.82
I didn't see the 16
up there. Okay, good.
00:48:08.85\00:48:10.49
My fault. Go one more time.
00:48:10.52\00:48:11.99
"So all things that
the Father has are Mine.
00:48:12.02\00:48:15.49
Therefore, I said that
He, "that's the Holy Spirit,"
00:48:15.52\00:48:18.76
will take of mine
and declare it to you."
00:48:18.79\00:48:20.66
Right.
00:48:20.70\00:48:22.03
So you have Jesus receiving
from His Father, His will,
00:48:22.06\00:48:26.43
and Jesus then transitioning
or transferring that will,
00:48:26.47\00:48:30.14
giving it to the Holy
Spirit who then speaks
00:48:30.17\00:48:32.17
in His behalf to God's people.
00:48:32.21\00:48:35.88
So what happens when
you, what happens when you...
00:48:35.91\00:48:39.11
So this middle connection,
Father, this stuff...
00:48:39.15\00:48:44.92
"The things that
You have belongs to Me,
00:48:44.95\00:48:47.32
why don't you give
it to the Holy Spirit,
00:48:47.36\00:48:49.89
so that He
could communicate it?"
00:48:49.92\00:48:52.19
And when the Spirit comes,
00:48:52.23\00:48:53.86
He's not speaking
on His own authority.
00:48:53.90\00:48:56.03
Therefore, He cannot be Jesus,
00:48:56.06\00:48:58.00
He cannot be
the Spirit of Jesus.
00:48:58.03\00:48:59.93
He's not speaking
on His own authority.
00:48:59.97\00:49:02.27
And Jesus is going to the Father
00:49:02.30\00:49:04.34
and the Spirit is coming.
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Pastor Dinzey. Yes.
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I wanna say
something really quick
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because you mentioned earlier
that some people wanna go back
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to what the pioneers believed
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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Right.
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Where do you wanna go,
how far do you wanna go?
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If you go in the
beginning, they were smoking,
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they were drinking, they were...
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Eating pork. Eating pork.
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Truth, God led
them to discover truth.
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Right.
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And this is one of them
that they did not study out.
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And now let's
go to the scripture
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because time is short.
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Romans chapter 8:26
and 27, a key scripture,
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"Likewise the Spirit
also helps in our infirmities.
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For we know not
what we should pray for
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as we ought, but the Spirit..."
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It uses the word 'itself'
here, which is an error,
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"but the Spirit Himself
maketh intercession for us
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with groanings
which cannot be uttered.
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And He that searches the hearts
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knoweth what is
the mind of the Spirit,
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because He maketh
intercession for the saints
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according to the will of God."
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Now don't go too fast
because the verse you just read,
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verse 27, "Now He
who searches the hearts,
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"knows what the
mind of the Spirit is."
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The Lord who searches the heart,
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knows the mind of the
Spirit and it says continuing,
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"Because He makes
intersession for the saints."
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The Lord is making intersession.
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He knows the Spirit's heart.
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They're working
together to bring
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our prayers to the Father.
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Ain't that wonderful?
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And the Holy Spirit
knows the mind of God
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because He's divine.
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Yes. Amen.
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And the Lord knows
the mind of the Spirit,
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but the last one I
think we're gonna get in John,
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Ephesians 4:30.
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I'll go ahead, I
have it open here.
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Go ahead. But I'll
go ahead and read it.
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"And do not grieve,
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The Holy Spirit of God,
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by whom you were sealed
for the day of redemption."
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How can you grieve a force?
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You cannot.
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The Holy Spirit.
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You cannot grieve a force.
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By grieving a force,
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you cannot be
sealed for salvation.
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And that's why that's a
sin that can never be forgiven.
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We got about a minute left.
00:51:13.44\00:51:15.50
One of the ministers as far as
00:51:15.54\00:51:16.87
those that are are watching us,
00:51:16.91\00:51:18.24
that are Seventh-day Adventists,
00:51:18.27\00:51:19.97
one of the pioneers made
some very clear statements
00:51:20.01\00:51:23.38
concerning the personality,
the person of the Holy Spirit.
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Ellen G White.
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And if you need it,
we'll send you those by email.
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Wonderful, okay.
00:51:32.05\00:51:33.39
And we'll give you that email
when the programme is done,
00:51:33.42\00:51:35.69
on how to get in touch with us
00:51:35.72\00:51:37.29
but, Pastor Stanton,
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we have about 43
seconds before our news break
00:51:38.69\00:51:41.46
and we'll come
back for a closing.
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Well, I don't have
anything revolutionary to say.
00:51:42.86\00:51:44.33
I think we went
through the scriptures
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very clearly
here as to where our,
00:51:45.73\00:51:48.50
this truth is found in scripture
00:51:48.54\00:51:51.27
and biblically-based.
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I think when you get into
the nuances, the details...
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Right. You can get convoluted.
00:51:56.28\00:51:57.81
So don't let...
00:51:57.85\00:51:59.18
Get caught up in the details
00:51:59.21\00:52:00.55
as far as all the minutia
of history and this stuff,
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go to the scriptures,
'cause they're clear,
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I think we showed that today.
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And we really hit
on some key verses,
00:52:06.52\00:52:08.82
as I mentioned earlier,
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it's not possible for
all of them to be covered,
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but we've covered
some that are very clear,
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Father, Son,
and the Holy Spirit.
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We're gonna take
a short news break
00:52:17.13\00:52:18.90
and we will be back
for a few closing thoughts.
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