I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn
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and we want to welcome
you once again to 3ABN Today.
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We're just glad
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that you have decided
to spend this hour with us
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and I believe you will be
sincerely blessed by the Lord.
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We'll be talking to two
people who as young people
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were called out of darkness
into God's marvelous light.
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Amen.
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And now they are
filled with purpose
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and they're allowing God to
use them in a marvelous way.
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We want to just take
this opportunity to thank you
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from the bottom of our
hearts, for your prayers
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and your
financial support for 3ABN.
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You are our God
breathed partners
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and we just want to express
our sincere appreciation,
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because we couldn't be
doing this 24/7 ministry
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around the world
without your partnership,
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so thank you so much.
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Now let me go ahead,
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I just want to introduce
these two special people.
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They're dear friends of mine,
brother and sister in the Lord
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and they're also
are employees of 3ABN.
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So first we have Janelle Owen.
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Janelle, you're a designer
for our publishing department.
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Yes.
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And you work on
the 3ABN World News.
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Yes. Yes.
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Yes, and also Facebook,
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and the Facebook all
the different networks
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have Facebook
pages and recipe website,
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anything that needs to
be done that's creative.
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Well, we're just very glad
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that you're using
your gift for the Lord.
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Yeah.
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Now next to you is
your handsome husband.
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Yes, he says, yes. Yes. No.
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I don't know.
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And that's Donald Owen.
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And, Donald, you
work in both production
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and sometimes in our
pastoral department as well.
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Yeah.
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And how long have
you two been married?
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For almost... Since 2008.
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Be almost nine years.
Since 2008, wonderful.
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Together for 18 years.
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Eighteen years
you've been together?
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There's a story
in that, yeah. Mercy.
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Yes, it's part of the testimony.
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That's good. Okay.
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Well, we're anxious to be
reminded of your testimony,
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I know you've
shared it here before,
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but we're going to
hear beyond the testimony,
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you know,
sometimes we get stuck in
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talking about the past and...
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I'm sure.
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God doesn't want us to always...
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Right.
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We speak of our
past to bring Him glory.
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Amen.
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But then we've got to
have more to the story,
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there's got to be what
God is doing in our lives now.
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Yes.
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And they've got
so much to share.
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As a matter of fact,
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I would love to
share a scripture with you,
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there are
several scriptures here.
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And it's in Romans 12
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and I'm gonna
begin with verse 9,
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and the reason
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I'm gonna embarrass
Donald and Janelle here.
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The reason that I
want to share this
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is because when I sat down
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I thought this is a scripture
that reminds me of them.
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And the subheading here
is "Behave like a Christian".
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Paul writes to the Romans.
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He says, "Let love
be without hypocrisy.
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Abhor what is evil.
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Cling to what is good.
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Be kindly
affectionate to one another
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with brotherly love,
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in honor giving
preference to one another,
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not lagging in
diligence, fervent in spirit..."
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I like the way
the Amplified says.
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Yeah.
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Never be lagging in
zeal, you two never are.
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Praise the Lord.
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"Serving the Lord,
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rejoicing in hope,
patient in tribulation,
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continuing steadfast in prayer,
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distributing to the
needs of the saints,
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given to hospitality."
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And when I think
of Donald and Janelle,
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this is what I think of because
when God brought them out,
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and you know, Ephesians 5:18,
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"We're commanded ever be
filled with Holy Spirit."
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And I know you all are
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because the love,
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the sincere love
you have for others
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to reach those who
are lost and suffering,
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and to see that
you're never lagging in zeal.
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When any event comes up,
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you can count on them being
there passing out materials,
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they're quite the
little literature evangelist,
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but they've done much more
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and we want to
talk about that today.
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But because we
know you love music,
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because we love music,
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we like to praise the Lord
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so we want to
share this song with you.
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We have Stephanie Dawn and
she will be singing for us.
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Dan Thornton is on the piano
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and the song that they're
going to be doing is "Grace".
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My heart is so proud.
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My mind is so unfocused
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I see the things
You do through me
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As great things I have done
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And now You gently break me,
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Then lovingly You take me
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And hold me as my father
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And mold me as my maker
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I ask you: "How many
times will you pick me up
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When I keep on letting you down?
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And each time I will
fall short of Your glory
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How far will
forgiveness abound?"
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Then You answer:
"My child, I love you
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And as long as
you're seeking My face
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You'll walk in the power
of My daily sufficient grace."
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At times I may grow weak
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And feel a bit discouraged
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Knowing that someone,
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somewhere could do a better job
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For who am I to serve You?
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I know I don't deserve You
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But that's the part
that burns in my heart
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And keeps me hanging on
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I ask you: "How many
times will you pick me up
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When I keep on letting you down?
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And each time I will
fall short of Your glory
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How far will
forgiveness abound?"
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And You answer:
"My child, I love you
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And as long as
you're seeking My face
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You'll walk in the power
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of My daily sufficient grace."
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You are so
patient with me, Lord.
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As I walk with You, I'm learning
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What Your grace really means
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The price that I could never pay
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Was paid at Calvary
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So, instead of
trying to repay You,
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I'm learning to simply obey You
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By giving up my life to you
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For all that You've given to me
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I ask you: "How many
times will you pick me up
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When I keep on letting you down?
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And each time I will
fall short of Your glory
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How far will
forgiveness abound?"
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Then You answer:
"My child, I love you
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And as long as
you're seeking My face
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You'll walk in the power
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of My daily sufficient grace."
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That was Stephanie
Dawn and Dan Thornton
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and I just love her
voice, I love the...
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you were mentioning
that she was singing,
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I think it was at camp meeting
when beautiful wonderful savior
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when she did a duet
with Pastor John Lomacang
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and it's so beautiful.
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Well, if you're
joining us just a little late,
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then I want to introduce
our special guest once again.
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We have a
husband and wife with us
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and that is
Donald and Janelle Owen,
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and we're just thrilled
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that you guys
are willing to share
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and excited about what
God is doing in your life.
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Definitely,
yes. I'm too excited.
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Yes.
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But you know,
what I'd like to do is
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I know you've shared
your testimony on 3ABN before,
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but there's many people,
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we have new viewers
everyday and many people
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even if they've seen it
may not recall everything
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but they also,
there're many who never,
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this would be the
first time to see you.
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So, Donald, tell me you said
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that you had
been together 18 years
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married for 9 of those 18.
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So tell me a
little bit about your past
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and how God reached you?
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He actually
reached into a dark pit
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and pulled you out, didn't He?
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Tell me a little bit about that?
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Well,
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it began with the
idea of pornography
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at the age of 12,
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my brother had very crafty,
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he decided to go to
a local corner store.
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And there was no cameras
at the time small corner store
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and he then, adult magazines,
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the very top rack
which is obviously
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they put them up,
so kids can't reach
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and he's old
enough to reach them.
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He showed about 10 of
those down in his pants.
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He came back home and he said,
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"Hey, guys, I've got
something to show you."
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So about five or six of us guys
went in the back in the shed.
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We're here in the back
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and there he will
open the magazines
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and I saw all kinds of images,
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it just infiltrated my mind
and at that time of my life,
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you know, I was a teenager.
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I mean, it's easy to be seduced
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and brought into
this idea of pornography
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and that planted a
seed in my mind for years
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which began to get
darker and darker as I got older
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realizing that I was
falling into this lust the sin,
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but I didn't realize
at the time what it was
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because it was
kind of a young age.
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And as it progressed,
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I got worse to get
in the pornography.
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I wound attend strip
clubs, I've been to peep shows,
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all that kind of stuff.
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And then I also
started getting online,
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when online just first
started, internet was just new,
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it's kind of basic,
there was no have pop ups,
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you know, you see all
those pop ups and everything.
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It was real basic like DOS
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and I remember the first time
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I was in the computer
room in college at that time.
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I started texting
or not texting but...
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Searching. Yeah, I
was chatting online.
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Oh.
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Chatting online, I would
spend four, five hours a day
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and I swear my eyes
are, I wear glasses usually,
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but I was on a computer screen
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constantly looking
four, five hours a day,
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I just glued to that computer.
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That was just neat to me that
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I could be talking to somebody
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away over in
other side the world
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that's when Satan came in
and use it for another purpose.
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Okay.
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I began doing
sexual chat online.
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And I actually
lost a job due to it
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because it was
such a strong addiction.
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And then meanwhile
I started dating her,
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I still had this addiction
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viewing
pornography magazines or videos
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and it was just a
really hard thing to overcome
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and I didn't tell her much
about it as far as you know,
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the chatting and
things I was doing like that,
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kind of kept it from her,
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but we kind of got into
the pornography thing together.
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How did you, when you say
that you got into it together?
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How did you first learn
that he was into pornography,
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had you done it before
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or was just
something he introduced to you?
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Yeah. Actually we didn't...
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I guess we didn't realize
early on our relationship
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that we had both
had viewed pornography
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and had actually had,
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you know, my history with that
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and then at some
point in our relationship,
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I don't know how
long we had been together
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but we would go to
video stores together
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you know get the tapes
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and you know,
all the other stuff
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that goes along
with that lifestyle.
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I won't go into too much detail
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but you know,
there's other things
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to go along with that.
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And so it just became kind
of part of us like part of,
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you know, our lifestyle.
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And you know, I think at first
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we had the shame of
going in that backroom
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at the video
store to get the stuff
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but then eventually
you became calloused,
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you know, when you get over
that initial feeling of shame
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and I think that, you
know, eventually we just,
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it just became like...
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It becomes normal,
doesn't it? Yeah, exactly.
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But you know, I have to say this
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because I
remember the first time
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that I heard this
lovely couple's testimony
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and I was just
sitting wide-eyed thinking,
00:14:31.27\00:14:33.47
you're kidding,
00:14:33.50\00:14:34.84
because when the Lord
did reach down and shine his,
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when he shown his
light into your darkness,
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what a marvelous job
He did of purifying you
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and cleansing you
of all unrighteousness
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because these are two
of the most pure hearts
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you'll ever meet.
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And just to see
the purity in your life
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now it's just so amazing.
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Thank you. Praise God.
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Praise God. Amen.
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So you're
together for nine years
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and kind of a
tawdry CD type of thing.
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Did that ever make you feel like
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you might not be
able to trust one another,
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did it bond you
together or did it...
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tell us about that?
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That's
interesting, you mentioned that
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I had been doing
a lot of sexual chat
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with women online
like I said there's one job
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actually I lost my job over,
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they caught me and they
even the employees like, look,
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they know what you're
doing, you better stop.
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I said, "No, I
can quit. It's okay."
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You know, I kind of have
this you know, kind of thing.
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I can deal with it,
don't worry about it.
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And I kept doing it and doing it
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and eventually
we were on vacation
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and I decided to cover my tracks
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because I knew
they could follow you
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on the computer where you went,
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so I just start
deleting stuff on the computer.
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When I came back
the manager boss,
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he pulled me and he
says, "We need to talk."
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He said, "This
isn't working out.
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You need to leave."
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I said, "What's going on?"
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He said, "You just killed
our computer is destroyed."
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I don't know what you've done
but we know what you're doing
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and it was destroyed.
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So I mean, I
literally that's the first time,
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I have ever
cried at losing a job
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because I knew what I had done,
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I knew the shame and the guilt
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and everything I
carried with that,
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it was really hard.
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Then I had to come
home and then confront her
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with some of the
stuff I've been doing.
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And she was basically ready
to walkout the door to leave.
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I kind of knew that
there was something going on.
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And when we talked about it,
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it was just
confirming when he confessed.
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It was just
confirmed kind of some thoughts
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that I had already
and because really like,
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you know, we had viewed
the pornography together
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and that wasn't an issue for me,
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you know, because I
thought it was okay at the time.
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But the fact that he
went a step further with,
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you know, chatting with women
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and you know,
there's all that...
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You felt
betrayed. Exactly. Yeah.
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As if he had
cheated on you. Yeah.
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And that's where
those paths lead,
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it's like it's a
destructive path...
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Yeah.
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It will go further and
then further and further
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and it's like until there's
no, it's just disappointment.
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Okay, so how did God reach you?
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Well, I've share
this a lot of times.
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We get married in 2008,
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excuse me, I'm
killing my throat.
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In 2008, I had realize
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I need to make some
right changes in my life
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so I want to get
rid of that stuff,
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I just want to get on my
life, I wanted to make change.
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I tried to quit
several times on my own
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and in February of that
year, we're going to get married
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which was in
August of that year.
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But February of
that year I had a dream
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and it was very, very, vivid.
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I was in a bar with
some friends, at time
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we also drank a lot,
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you know, I drank a
lot but on weekends,
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social gatherings and things.
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And I was in a
bar with some friends
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and I'm standing
next to this booth
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and this old man
walked, I just, I remember,
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I mean I can still see it.
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It's in 2008 just that means
what almost 10 years ago now.
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And I can just see him walking
had this long white beard,
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long white hair, just didn't,
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I mean, he just look
like he was a bar type person,
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it's just he
shouldn't be in the bar.
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And he walked right up to
me, locked eyes with me said,
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"God is coming."
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And when I heard
that I just, I mean,
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I literally
just shout on my bed,
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I just woke up I said, "What?
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What is that?"
00:17:55.10\00:17:56.44
I mean something was
weird about that dream,
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it wasn't normal.
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And I just instantly remember
going to the living room
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and pulling my Bible
out, and I started reading.
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I remember,
Revelation 14:12 says,
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"Here is the
patience of the saints,
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so they keep the commandments
of God and the faith of Jesus."
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And I just started crying.
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I'm like what's happening?
I said, what's going on here?
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Then after that I was just
totally just changed my life.
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I mean, I read
the Bible like I said,
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from Genesis to
Revelation in three months.
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I mean, I read the whole
Bible and I was so hungry.
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I just, I want to
know what truth was,
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I wanted to make a change.
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Did you have any kind
of religious background?
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As a young,
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I think early teens or before
that I was in Baptist churches.
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And my brother actually told me
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I was baptized
in Baptist Church.
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I don't remember it
but he told me I was.
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I don't remember it
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but I remember
being at the backroom
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with the Baptist pastor
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and accepting the Lord
when I was about 12 or 13.
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I don't remember
the baptism but yeah,
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so my mother tried
00:18:48.86\00:18:50.19
to kind of keep us
in a spiritual aspect.
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And my father, he kind of,
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some things happen in a church
00:18:55.10\00:18:56.43
he had attended before
and it kind of burned him,
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so he didn't go
to church as much
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but my mom, she
always tried to take us.
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We bounced around from Baptist
church to Baptist church.
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How about you?
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Well, I was just
going to mention to you
00:19:05.71\00:19:07.31
as part of that testimony,
00:19:07.34\00:19:08.68
we actually lived
together for 10 years
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before we were married.
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So that's where that
extra time comes in you know,
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we're together for 18 years now.
00:19:14.52\00:19:17.42
And so for me I
was raised Adventist.
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I was, you know,
we were in church
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until I was about the age of 12
00:19:24.46\00:19:26.03
and unfortunately,
my parents got divorced
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and then we
stopped going to church.
00:19:28.93\00:19:30.80
And so at that point our family
kind of went separate ways
00:19:30.83\00:19:35.57
and so church and God
00:19:35.60\00:19:38.57
just became really nonexistent.
00:19:38.61\00:19:41.54
And I never
stopped believing in God
00:19:41.58\00:19:43.75
but I feel like He was never,
00:19:43.78\00:19:45.91
He wasn't put as a
priority in my life,
00:19:45.95\00:19:47.78
I wasn't living what I
knew from my childhood,
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you know, the things I
had learned up to that point
00:19:50.92\00:19:52.75
and so I wasn't living it.
00:19:52.79\00:19:54.19
But He was, I never
stopped believing in God.
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Okay, so when God
really reached down
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and touched and massaged
00:20:01.10\00:20:02.96
and started to breaking up
the hardness of Donald's life,
00:20:03.00\00:20:08.30
how did you react to that?
00:20:08.34\00:20:09.77
Were you, at first
00:20:09.80\00:20:11.54
were you pleased by this
or were you put off by this?
00:20:11.57\00:20:15.64
It was a mixture of
things actually because I was,
00:20:15.68\00:20:18.75
I knew that it was God
00:20:18.78\00:20:20.12
because he had tried
to quit some of the things
00:20:20.15\00:20:23.22
that he had mentioned,
00:20:23.25\00:20:24.59
you know, like the
chats and things like that.
00:20:24.62\00:20:25.95
And even though we've
viewed pornography together,
00:20:25.99\00:20:28.92
it was easier
for me to quit that,
00:20:28.96\00:20:30.69
and it was, it was something
that was harder for him,
00:20:30.73\00:20:34.26
but he had
tried different things
00:20:34.30\00:20:35.90
and nothing was working.
00:20:35.93\00:20:37.43
And I saw the changes in him
00:20:37.47\00:20:38.93
and God was
working on him big time.
00:20:38.97\00:20:41.97
But as far as you
know, going back to church
00:20:42.00\00:20:45.17
and getting closer
to God, at that point
00:20:45.21\00:20:47.88
I wanted nothing to
do with any of that.
00:20:47.91\00:20:50.31
So there was, I
like the changes in him
00:20:50.35\00:20:52.31
but I didn't want a
new life, a new lifestyle.
00:20:52.35\00:20:55.55
I didn't want to
change anything I was doing,
00:20:55.58\00:20:57.12
you know, I thought I'm okay.
00:20:57.15\00:20:58.49
That's what I thought
I'm okay at this point.
00:20:58.52\00:21:00.56
And I'm like he's the one
00:21:00.59\00:21:01.92
with the problem like really no,
00:21:01.96\00:21:03.29
God, showed me
other ways on that.
00:21:03.32\00:21:05.26
But so anyway it
was kind of interesting
00:21:05.29\00:21:07.73
how that worked
00:21:07.76\00:21:09.10
but God worked
on his heart first
00:21:09.13\00:21:10.73
and I saw those
changes and eventually
00:21:10.77\00:21:12.93
after becoming, the Holy
Spirit was softening my heart
00:21:12.97\00:21:17.71
and seeing those
changes, it's just amazing.
00:21:17.74\00:21:19.94
And so just by that
really made a difference for me.
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Okay.
00:21:23.14\00:21:24.48
Well, let's fast forward
00:21:24.51\00:21:25.85
because the bottom line
is the Lord did reach down
00:21:25.88\00:21:29.28
and He pulled you
out of this darkness.
00:21:29.32\00:21:30.89
Yes.
00:21:30.92\00:21:32.25
You became
actively involved in church
00:21:32.29\00:21:35.36
and your lives
were both transformed.
00:21:35.39\00:21:37.79
Amen.
00:21:37.83\00:21:39.16
But now most
recently over the past year
00:21:39.19\00:21:42.26
or so you've been
taking what God did for you
00:21:42.30\00:21:48.10
and sharing it
with the community,
00:21:48.14\00:21:50.74
and specifically
you've been working
00:21:50.77\00:21:52.87
with Cheri Peters material,
00:21:52.91\00:21:54.91
"Celebrating Life in Recovery".
00:21:54.94\00:21:57.05
Who wants to tell us
00:21:57.08\00:21:58.41
about how you
started this in the community
00:21:58.45\00:22:01.72
and how it was received.
00:22:01.75\00:22:03.12
Yeah. Actually, that's great.
00:22:03.15\00:22:04.95
Thank you,
Shelley, for asking that.
00:22:04.99\00:22:06.92
It has been, let's
see, we first moved here.
00:22:06.96\00:22:09.69
We knew God had
used us back in Indiana
00:22:09.72\00:22:12.63
to get in the
community and start,
00:22:12.66\00:22:14.00
we'd do festivals and things so.
00:22:14.03\00:22:15.96
We have a love
for the community.
00:22:16.00\00:22:17.80
I really want to
help see the community,
00:22:17.83\00:22:19.17
so my prayer, I
was praying Lord.
00:22:19.20\00:22:20.54
I said, Lord, I know
what your proverb says,
00:22:20.57\00:22:22.04
I don't remember the
actual one but it says,
00:22:22.07\00:22:24.21
you know, "My people perish
where there's lack of vision."
00:22:24.24\00:22:26.34
Yes.
00:22:26.37\00:22:27.71
I said, Lord, what is the vision
00:22:27.74\00:22:29.14
you'd have for this community?
00:22:29.18\00:22:30.51
What can we do?
00:22:30.55\00:22:31.88
And so as I thought on
and pondered on it little bit,
00:22:31.91\00:22:35.88
I remember Brian
Tyre when he worked here,
00:22:35.92\00:22:37.42
him and I we talked a bit.
00:22:37.45\00:22:38.79
And we're talking about
doing addiction recovery,
00:22:38.82\00:22:42.06
it kind of popped up.
00:22:42.09\00:22:43.43
And then another coworker,
she had mentioned here,
00:22:43.46\00:22:45.43
some stuff that her
family's going through,
00:22:45.46\00:22:47.20
we're dealing with addictions.
00:22:47.23\00:22:49.23
So okay, this is interesting.
00:22:49.26\00:22:50.67
So then we instantly
remembered, you know,
00:22:50.70\00:22:54.04
you guys record here
Celebrating Life in Recovery,
00:22:54.07\00:22:55.80
Cheri Peters and so well,
00:22:55.84\00:22:57.44
maybe we should check into that.
00:22:57.47\00:22:58.81
So we did and we met
00:22:58.84\00:23:00.18
with the church
board at that time,
00:23:00.21\00:23:01.64
we decided just
popped in on the whim,
00:23:01.68\00:23:03.18
didn't even schedule
anything, we just popped in,
00:23:03.21\00:23:05.45
"Hey, we're here.
00:23:05.48\00:23:06.82
We want to talk about this."
00:23:06.85\00:23:08.18
And we got a really
good response from the board,
00:23:08.22\00:23:10.69
the church board and they said,
00:23:10.72\00:23:12.05
"Yeah, we want to back this up."
00:23:12.09\00:23:13.42
And so we decided to implement
the program at the church first
00:23:13.46\00:23:17.66
to get the pilot to kind of
get familiar with the program
00:23:17.69\00:23:21.56
what it did.
00:23:21.60\00:23:22.93
It's a 14 week course.
00:23:22.96\00:23:24.57
It's a 12 step program,
00:23:24.60\00:23:27.04
that deals with
recovering people
00:23:27.07\00:23:29.44
through different
various addictions.
00:23:29.47\00:23:32.27
And this is
00:23:32.31\00:23:33.64
"The Celebrating
Life in Recovery".
00:23:33.68\00:23:37.05
It is based on the
book Steps to Christ.
00:23:37.08\00:23:40.72
Yes. Amen.
00:23:40.75\00:23:42.08
It's based on
Ellen White's book,
00:23:42.12\00:23:43.45
"Steps to Christ"
00:23:43.49\00:23:44.82
which is just a marvelous book
00:23:44.85\00:23:46.19
but it has been paraphrased
00:23:46.22\00:23:48.42
if you will,
brought into modern English,
00:23:48.46\00:23:50.43
brought into English
that the type of terminology
00:23:50.46\00:23:54.36
that would appeal to people
00:23:54.40\00:23:56.56
who might be going
through or would be understood
00:23:56.60\00:23:59.43
I should say for people
00:23:59.47\00:24:00.80
who are going through
those kind of problems.
00:24:00.84\00:24:02.17
Relatable to those
who are in recovery.
00:24:02.20\00:24:03.61
Yes, okay.
00:24:03.64\00:24:04.97
So tell us a little bit,
00:24:05.01\00:24:07.21
what kind of success
00:24:07.24\00:24:08.58
did you have at
the local church?
00:24:08.61\00:24:11.68
Well, not as much as we hoped.
00:24:11.71\00:24:13.88
We thought
there's more enthusiasm.
00:24:13.92\00:24:16.08
My belief personally is
that there's a lot of people
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that are afraid to speak
00:24:18.79\00:24:21.69
about these
things in the church.
00:24:21.72\00:24:23.63
I really feel like
there's a need to...
00:24:23.66\00:24:26.49
As I like to say, I
told this to Janelle,
00:24:26.53\00:24:27.93
I tell other people I said,
when we begin to be realized,
00:24:27.96\00:24:31.07
when we begin to heal.
00:24:31.10\00:24:32.53
Yes.
00:24:32.57\00:24:33.90
And if we're not being real
and people step into our church
00:24:33.94\00:24:36.00
and they're like,
you know, you look around
00:24:36.04\00:24:37.37
and see all these
people look perfect and happy
00:24:37.41\00:24:38.91
and stuff in which
we should be we're,
00:24:38.94\00:24:40.44
you know, Christ is in us.
00:24:40.48\00:24:42.08
But at the same
time, there are things
00:24:42.11\00:24:43.68
that we have struggled
with or we do struggle with.
00:24:43.71\00:24:46.08
And we have to be honest,
you know, with ourselves.
00:24:46.11\00:24:47.85
And so to me
00:24:47.88\00:24:50.35
doing this
recovery just been powerful.
00:24:50.39\00:24:52.45
So we had a few
show up at the church
00:24:52.49\00:24:54.86
that kind of
became our core group.
00:24:54.89\00:24:57.46
We did another one
locally at the school
00:24:57.49\00:24:59.79
there we started a second one.
00:24:59.83\00:25:01.53
Met a couple people attend.
00:25:01.56\00:25:04.30
And one person has
stuck with us the whole time
00:25:04.33\00:25:06.74
since and we've done...
00:25:06.77\00:25:08.10
Amazing transformation.
00:25:08.14\00:25:09.47
Then we went to
the Maranatha Center
00:25:09.50\00:25:10.84
which is located
downtown it was Frankfurt.
00:25:10.87\00:25:12.64
We went there and we did another
00:25:12.67\00:25:14.24
Celebrating Life in Recovery 14,
00:25:14.28\00:25:15.61
we had 22 people show up.
00:25:15.64\00:25:16.98
Praise God.
00:25:17.01\00:25:18.35
And did they cover it again,
00:25:18.38\00:25:19.71
I mean, when we think recovery
00:25:19.75\00:25:21.08
sometimes people are
just thinking of alcohol
00:25:21.12\00:25:22.45
or you know...
00:25:22.48\00:25:23.82
Oh, no. Alcohol and drugs.
00:25:23.85\00:25:25.19
But tell us I mean,
00:25:25.22\00:25:26.55
like you came out of
the pornography addiction...
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Right.
00:25:28.09\00:25:29.42
Tell us some... Sorry.
00:25:29.46\00:25:31.06
There were some eating issues.
00:25:31.09\00:25:33.86
There was alcohol and there was,
00:25:33.90\00:25:35.90
you know, all kinds of
emotional type things...
00:25:35.93\00:25:37.97
Of abuse.
00:25:38.00\00:25:39.33
And, you know,
abuse... A lot of abuse.
00:25:39.37\00:25:40.70
Suicide.
00:25:40.74\00:25:42.07
You know, those
type of things too.
00:25:42.10\00:25:44.01
But we had 14
people graduate. Yeah.
00:25:44.04\00:25:46.47
Fourteen out of
22, that's excellent.
00:25:46.51\00:25:48.11
Yeah. It was powerful.
00:25:48.14\00:25:50.31
We have strong testimonies
of how people overcome it.
00:25:50.35\00:25:53.82
Steps to Christ,
00:25:53.85\00:25:55.28
is to me one of
the most powerful books
00:25:55.32\00:25:57.69
that I know of that
wins people to Jesus.
00:25:57.72\00:26:00.06
I mean, it was just phenomenal.
00:26:00.09\00:26:02.52
I won't mention names
00:26:02.56\00:26:03.89
but some of our participants
what they've been through.
00:26:03.93\00:26:06.13
One suffered a
lot of mental illness.
00:26:06.16\00:26:09.86
I want to just put it that way.
00:26:09.90\00:26:11.23
And this person struggled
00:26:11.27\00:26:12.60
with a certain
type of addiction.
00:26:12.63\00:26:14.64
Well, it broke him on
that addiction after week five,
00:26:14.67\00:26:17.57
this particular
participant struggled to come,
00:26:17.61\00:26:20.18
he didn't really want to come
00:26:20.21\00:26:21.54
but the Lord
encouraged me to encourage them.
00:26:21.58\00:26:23.71
As I encouraged them
they stuck it through
00:26:23.75\00:26:25.31
and now this
particular person is what?
00:26:25.35\00:26:27.45
Five months clean.
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Praise the Lord.
Five month clean.
00:26:29.45\00:26:30.79
Yeah. Praise.
00:26:30.82\00:26:32.15
I got a text from this
particular participant,
00:26:32.19\00:26:33.62
he said, "I've
never, what's it like to be?
00:26:33.66\00:26:35.62
This is weird to be sober.
00:26:35.66\00:26:36.99
I've never been
like this before,
00:26:37.03\00:26:38.36
I don't know what to do."
00:26:38.39\00:26:39.73
How exciting. Oh, yeah.
00:26:39.76\00:26:41.10
God has been really
working amazing things and like,
00:26:41.13\00:26:43.13
you know, I mentioned
that the transformation
00:26:43.16\00:26:45.30
and the one person he
mentioned that, actually started
00:26:45.33\00:26:48.37
with our original
group that's still with us.
00:26:48.40\00:26:50.31
There's now leader
00:26:50.34\00:26:51.67
and that's what we prayed for
is we want to make disciples.
00:26:51.71\00:26:54.48
Amen. Amen.
00:26:54.51\00:26:55.84
We wanted, you
know, people to take this
00:26:55.88\00:26:57.71
and use it and
the transformation,
00:26:57.75\00:27:01.62
and we were
talking the other day
00:27:01.65\00:27:04.02
about how this
transformation that we see,
00:27:04.05\00:27:06.25
it's almost like
we don't have kids,
00:27:06.29\00:27:08.09
but it's almost like
you're seeing your kid
00:27:08.12\00:27:10.26
go through elementary
school, then high school,
00:27:10.29\00:27:12.13
then college and it's
like you're seeing them
00:27:12.16\00:27:13.73
go to the next level.
00:27:13.76\00:27:15.10
It's amazing. Yeah.
00:27:15.13\00:27:16.46
That's exciting. Yeah.
00:27:16.50\00:27:17.83
That's exciting.
00:27:17.87\00:27:19.20
But now why don't you take
them through these 14 weeks?
00:27:19.23\00:27:22.00
And this is, I'm sure
there's a lot of discovery
00:27:22.04\00:27:24.57
and this discovery of
self discovering of the Lord
00:27:24.61\00:27:28.34
in knowing, learning
how to draw in His power.
00:27:28.38\00:27:30.51
Right.
00:27:30.55\00:27:31.88
You know, in
Jeremiah it says that,
00:27:31.91\00:27:35.08
"We can't change
ourselves anymore
00:27:35.12\00:27:37.15
than an Ethiopian
can change his skin
00:27:37.19\00:27:39.72
or a leopard can
change his spots."
00:27:39.75\00:27:41.09
Right. Amen.
00:27:41.12\00:27:42.46
So it's
something of learning how
00:27:42.49\00:27:44.69
to just give this all
over to God these problems.
00:27:44.73\00:27:49.56
But as people are
going through this
00:27:49.60\00:27:52.07
and you've seen
such miraculous stories,
00:27:52.10\00:27:55.60
what happens at the
end of the 14 weeks?
00:27:55.64\00:28:00.48
That is a great question.
00:28:00.51\00:28:02.64
That's something that
we've been thinking about,
00:28:02.68\00:28:04.15
we talk to as a group
00:28:04.18\00:28:05.51
before
everybody disperse the 14.
00:28:05.55\00:28:08.28
And when you ask,
what do you want to do?
00:28:08.32\00:28:09.65
Do you want to go on?
00:28:09.68\00:28:11.02
We can help you get the material
00:28:11.05\00:28:12.39
and you can take it
'cause a lot are from.
00:28:12.42\00:28:13.76
I mean, we have one
person driving two hours
00:28:13.79\00:28:15.49
one way every weekend.
00:28:15.52\00:28:16.86
Isn't amazing? That is amazing.
00:28:16.89\00:28:18.73
Two hours, so they
were very committed.
00:28:18.76\00:28:21.26
I could just
share this quick story.
00:28:21.30\00:28:23.77
The one particular lady
that was two hours away,
00:28:23.80\00:28:25.70
she had a high speed
chase go through her backyard
00:28:25.73\00:28:28.74
that night before
they're getting ready to leave,
00:28:28.77\00:28:30.97
the car rolled
over fence, took it out,
00:28:31.01\00:28:32.84
she still gets in
her car, gets in her car,
00:28:32.87\00:28:35.54
she goes ahead to
pick this other lady
00:28:35.58\00:28:37.21
and big bird on if it's
like a vulture or whatever
00:28:37.25\00:28:39.55
a big bird smash
into her front windshield,
00:28:39.58\00:28:41.98
glass all over a chair,
00:28:42.02\00:28:43.52
feathers and she picks
the lady and still comes.
00:28:43.55\00:28:46.52
That's amazing.
00:28:46.55\00:28:48.46
She recognized
that it was from Satan,
00:28:48.49\00:28:50.33
that she recognized
00:28:50.36\00:28:51.69
that the enemy was
trying to stop her from coming
00:28:51.73\00:28:53.66
because that's the day
00:28:53.70\00:28:55.03
that Donald is
really discouraged.
00:28:55.06\00:28:56.40
Yes.
00:28:56.43\00:28:57.77
I mean, a very discouraging
day that we almost didn't go.
00:28:57.80\00:29:01.24
You know and things like
that will happen on Sundays
00:29:01.27\00:29:03.20
like you know, either
us or someone in the group
00:29:03.24\00:29:06.01
will have something
strange happened to where,
00:29:06.04\00:29:08.18
you know, either
we almost don't go
00:29:08.21\00:29:10.35
or we don't go at all.
00:29:10.38\00:29:11.71
Yeah.
00:29:11.75\00:29:13.08
So let me ask you this question
00:29:13.11\00:29:14.45
because you probably learned
00:29:14.48\00:29:16.89
a whole lot about
yourself in leading this.
00:29:16.92\00:29:19.15
Did you not? Yes.
00:29:19.19\00:29:20.52
Oh, yeah.
00:29:20.56\00:29:21.89
And you learned a
little to recognize.
00:29:21.92\00:29:23.66
You know, I can
usually recognize
00:29:23.69\00:29:25.63
when somebody is
under an attack of Satan.
00:29:25.66\00:29:29.06
But I'm not
always quick to recognize
00:29:29.10\00:29:31.37
when I'm under attack.
00:29:31.40\00:29:32.73
Oh, that's true.
00:29:32.77\00:29:34.10
You know, it's kind of like
00:29:34.14\00:29:35.47
when something's
going on in your own life,
00:29:35.50\00:29:36.87
you kind of assume the guilt,
00:29:36.91\00:29:39.64
the condemnation or something,
00:29:39.67\00:29:41.01
and finally one
day you kind of like
00:29:41.04\00:29:42.58
"Wait a minute",
00:29:42.61\00:29:43.95
I'm under this is a
spiritual battle going on
00:29:43.98\00:29:46.15
and I'm just, I'm not
fighting back hard enough
00:29:46.18\00:29:49.08
or letting the
Lord fighting for me.
00:29:49.12\00:29:51.55
But as you're learning
these things about yourself,
00:29:51.59\00:29:56.22
did you find that, you know,
00:29:56.26\00:29:58.53
it takes a great commitment
00:29:58.56\00:30:00.06
to commit 14 weeks
of your time to lead.
00:30:00.10\00:30:03.93
And I'm sure there
were discouraging things
00:30:03.97\00:30:05.80
that happened.
00:30:05.83\00:30:07.17
But did you find
that you grew in more,
00:30:07.20\00:30:12.11
more blessed
even in the blessing
00:30:12.14\00:30:14.11
that you're giving to others?
00:30:14.14\00:30:15.64
Definitely.
00:30:15.68\00:30:17.01
I would say, yeah, it
really poured into, you know,
00:30:17.05\00:30:18.81
our personal ministry
when we work at the church,
00:30:18.85\00:30:22.22
when we do the
church personal ministries
00:30:22.25\00:30:23.59
because it just gave us the fire
00:30:23.62\00:30:25.09
and the passion to want
to see the excitement there,
00:30:25.12\00:30:29.16
it's like I want to see
people excited about the Lord,
00:30:29.19\00:30:31.19
I want in churches, you know,
I just I want to see people
00:30:31.23\00:30:33.86
excited about
what they're learning,
00:30:33.90\00:30:35.23
I want to see them
excited about the Word of God.
00:30:35.26\00:30:36.87
I want to see them excited
00:30:36.90\00:30:38.23
about what God
can do in healing.
00:30:38.27\00:30:39.60
And there's that
movie, was it Tell The World.
00:30:39.63\00:30:41.47
And Ellen G.
White talked in there.
00:30:41.50\00:30:42.84
It was just so profound.
00:30:42.87\00:30:44.21
I mean, she's, I've never
heard Jesus as a healer before.
00:30:44.24\00:30:46.84
And that caught me, I
was like people need to know
00:30:46.88\00:30:49.01
that Jesus is a healer
00:30:49.04\00:30:50.38
and there's a lot of
people don't know that.
00:30:50.41\00:30:51.75
And that was to me the key
00:30:51.78\00:30:53.15
and it's just really sparked
us to get in the community.
00:30:53.18\00:30:56.25
We've been doing
all kinds of stuff
00:30:56.28\00:30:57.65
with the different
personal ministries
00:30:57.69\00:30:59.49
as far as like you
said with literature,
00:30:59.52\00:31:01.22
giving out literature to people.
00:31:01.26\00:31:03.09
I mean just and trying to get
people in the church involved,
00:31:03.12\00:31:06.06
members like,
Elder Ted Wilson says,
00:31:06.09\00:31:08.23
he wants total
member involvement.
00:31:08.26\00:31:09.60
Amen.
00:31:09.63\00:31:10.97
And I think that's what we need
00:31:11.00\00:31:12.33
and that's what
we're striving for.
00:31:12.37\00:31:14.17
I mean, just really give us
a spark to spark other people
00:31:14.20\00:31:16.40
to see life in them, just
like what Ezekiel 37 says about,
00:31:16.44\00:31:19.87
"Breathing into them and
given the bones and everything
00:31:19.91\00:31:21.48
and bring in the life."
00:31:21.51\00:31:22.84
And we want to see the life
00:31:22.88\00:31:24.21
and you have something
00:31:24.25\00:31:25.58
you're going to
share it looks like.
00:31:25.61\00:31:26.95
Yeah, actually I think
this would be a good time
00:31:26.98\00:31:28.32
to share these
verses, Isaiah 61:1 and 2.
00:31:28.35\00:31:32.65
And this was actually brought
to our attention by some folks
00:31:32.69\00:31:36.73
that we were
sharing this ministry with
00:31:36.76\00:31:38.33
and they looked at each other
00:31:38.36\00:31:39.69
after we mentioned
00:31:39.73\00:31:41.06
the Celebrating Life in Recovery
00:31:41.10\00:31:42.43
and they said, Isaiah 61.
00:31:42.46\00:31:45.23
And so it's beautiful.
00:31:45.27\00:31:47.54
It says, "The
Spirit of the Lord,
00:31:47.57\00:31:49.60
the Lord God is upon Me,
00:31:49.64\00:31:51.24
because the Lord has anointed Me
00:31:51.27\00:31:52.94
to preach good
tidings unto the meak,
00:31:52.97\00:31:55.64
He have sent Me to
bind up the brokenhearted,
00:31:55.68\00:31:58.41
to proclaim
liberty to the captives,
00:31:58.45\00:32:01.35
and the opening of the
prison to them that are bound,
00:32:01.38\00:32:04.02
to proclaim the
acceptable year of the Lord,
00:32:04.05\00:32:06.12
and the day of
vengeance of our God,
00:32:06.15\00:32:07.79
to comfort all that mourn."
00:32:07.82\00:32:09.66
Why don't you
read 3, 4 and 5 too?
00:32:09.69\00:32:11.46
3, 4 and 5. If you don't mind.
00:32:11.49\00:32:12.99
"To the point unto
them that mourn in Zion,
00:32:13.03\00:32:15.60
to give unto
them beauty for ashes,
00:32:15.63\00:32:17.77
the oil of joy for mourning,
00:32:17.80\00:32:19.83
the garment of praise for
the spirit of heaviness..."
00:32:19.87\00:32:21.74
There you go.
00:32:21.77\00:32:23.10
"That they might be
called trees of righteousness,
00:32:23.14\00:32:25.24
the planting of the Lord,
that He might be glorified.
00:32:25.27\00:32:28.51
And they shall
buildup the old waste places,
00:32:28.54\00:32:31.15
they shall raise up
the former desolations,
00:32:31.18\00:32:33.75
and they shall
repair the waste cities,
00:32:33.78\00:32:35.92
the desolations
of many generations."
00:32:35.95\00:32:38.55
Amen, and amen.
00:32:38.59\00:32:40.42
You know, I'm sitting
here watching the two of you
00:32:40.46\00:32:42.26
and I'm thinking,
there's somebody at home
00:32:42.29\00:32:45.59
who's watching maybe,
00:32:45.63\00:32:47.13
you've got a history of
drugs or addiction, pornography,
00:32:47.16\00:32:51.33
and you're
thinking, God can't use me,
00:32:51.37\00:32:55.07
or maybe you're in it right now.
00:32:55.10\00:32:56.91
But here you see
how when God rescues us,
00:32:56.94\00:33:00.34
when we allow Him
to be Jehovah Rapha,
00:33:00.38\00:33:03.28
the Lord who heals us.
00:33:03.31\00:33:04.65
Amen.
00:33:04.68\00:33:06.01
He can turn around and...
00:33:06.05\00:33:08.42
as Paul wrote
to the Corinthians,
00:33:08.45\00:33:10.12
he said that he is
the God of all comfort,
00:33:10.15\00:33:13.19
who will comfort
you and then use you
00:33:13.22\00:33:15.76
to comfort others
with the same comfort
00:33:15.79\00:33:17.69
that you receive from the Lord.
00:33:17.73\00:33:19.06
Yes.
00:33:19.09\00:33:20.43
So because the two of you
00:33:20.46\00:33:23.13
came out of the
background of addiction.
00:33:23.16\00:33:26.13
Right.
00:33:26.17\00:33:27.50
I'm sure that people
listened to you more readily
00:33:27.54\00:33:31.94
than if you've just
been the pastors standing up
00:33:31.97\00:33:35.94
there trying to
teach this class.
00:33:35.98\00:33:37.65
Yeah.
00:33:37.68\00:33:39.01
I was just going to say
sometimes I feel like I regret,
00:33:39.05\00:33:41.72
you know, those years
00:33:41.75\00:33:43.08
that I was just
wasting money, wasting time,
00:33:43.12\00:33:46.05
wasting all of
the stuff that we did,
00:33:46.09\00:33:48.59
with God nothing is wasted,
00:33:48.62\00:33:50.59
it's you know, I
still have the regret
00:33:50.63\00:33:52.26
but I know that
God is using that now
00:33:52.29\00:33:54.16
to reach the people
that need to be reached,
00:33:54.20\00:33:56.70
you know,
through that testimony.
00:33:56.73\00:33:58.13
That's you know, it's all him.
00:33:58.17\00:33:59.53
When does that scripture
say, what you meant for evil,
00:33:59.57\00:34:01.90
God meant for good.
00:34:01.94\00:34:03.27
Yeah.
00:34:03.30\00:34:04.64
And so God can
totally turn anything around.
00:34:04.67\00:34:07.71
So you've had great success.
00:34:07.74\00:34:10.98
I mean, 14 out of
22 is glory to God.
00:34:11.01\00:34:14.65
That's an
incredible success rate.
00:34:14.68\00:34:17.02
But now what do you do with them
00:34:17.05\00:34:18.85
because you've taken
them all the way through,
00:34:18.89\00:34:21.06
you said you could
offer the materials,
00:34:21.09\00:34:23.73
you are the personal...
00:34:23.76\00:34:25.66
Donald, you're the
Personal Ministry's
00:34:25.69\00:34:28.30
director for the Thompsonville
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:34:28.33\00:34:31.57
which is our church
that we attend here,
00:34:31.60\00:34:34.30
and you're the co-director.
00:34:34.34\00:34:36.00
What do you do now
00:34:36.04\00:34:37.94
with these people
that have come into
00:34:37.97\00:34:43.01
the knowledge of
how much God loves them?
00:34:43.04\00:34:45.01
Amen.
00:34:45.05\00:34:46.38
And what a plan that
he has for their life?
00:34:46.41\00:34:48.48
Do you just say, "Bye.
00:34:48.52\00:34:49.85
See you."
00:34:49.88\00:34:51.22
No, we don't say
goodbye and see you, no.
00:34:51.25\00:34:53.25
Mention that we
have a team too...
00:34:53.29\00:34:55.42
Yeah, we have a team of people
00:34:55.46\00:34:56.79
that we get
together and we meet.
00:34:56.83\00:34:58.43
We've been
sorting some stuff out
00:34:58.46\00:35:00.00
but before that
everybody is kind of,
00:35:00.03\00:35:02.50
the 14 weeks are wrapping up,
00:35:02.53\00:35:04.17
we sat down and then we said,
"What would you like to do?"
00:35:04.20\00:35:06.80
First personally for me
00:35:06.84\00:35:08.17
and for you we've been praying,
00:35:08.20\00:35:09.54
we'd like to see disciples
00:35:09.57\00:35:10.91
like I said some
of these people are
00:35:10.94\00:35:12.27
45 minutes away, 2 hours away,
00:35:12.31\00:35:13.64
I mean you live in a community
00:35:13.68\00:35:15.01
where you can be a
center of influence.
00:35:15.04\00:35:16.38
Yes.
00:35:16.41\00:35:17.75
So we would like to
see you take this material,
00:35:17.78\00:35:19.11
if you would like
take this material,
00:35:19.15\00:35:20.48
we'll get it for you
or whatever we got to do
00:35:20.52\00:35:22.18
but you can take this
material in your own community
00:35:22.22\00:35:23.55
and use it.
00:35:23.59\00:35:24.92
Since you've used it now,
00:35:24.95\00:35:26.29
we really want to see disciples.
00:35:26.32\00:35:27.66
Unfortunately,
that didn't happen
00:35:27.69\00:35:29.02
the way we thought it would
but God had different plans.
00:35:29.06\00:35:31.59
Many of them said
00:35:31.63\00:35:32.96
that they wanted
to do continuously.
00:35:32.99\00:35:34.46
They wanted this to
be a continuous program.
00:35:34.50\00:35:36.93
And so I know
this is only 14 weeks
00:35:36.97\00:35:38.73
so that's where we've been
00:35:38.77\00:35:40.20
implementing in
designing a continuous program
00:35:40.24\00:35:44.54
to where we can keep
this in the community
00:35:44.57\00:35:46.11
and keep people coming.
00:35:46.14\00:35:48.04
Most of the
people that did come,
00:35:48.08\00:35:49.64
what I have done
is I keep in contact
00:35:49.68\00:35:51.68
with them through texting.
00:35:51.71\00:35:53.11
I text them devotionals
00:35:53.15\00:35:54.65
and just ask how
they're doing and...
00:35:54.68\00:35:56.32
Yes.
00:35:56.35\00:35:57.69
I try to, I'm not
saying, I'm always great at it
00:35:57.72\00:35:59.15
but I do try to keep
in contact with them.
00:35:59.19\00:36:00.82
Okay.
00:36:00.86\00:36:02.19
The communication
has been little sparse
00:36:02.22\00:36:03.56
but just the
seeds have been planted
00:36:03.59\00:36:06.36
and lot of
people I said overcome
00:36:06.39\00:36:07.93
and it's just been
phenomenal success.
00:36:07.96\00:36:09.53
And the continuous thing
00:36:09.56\00:36:11.13
is what we're
really striving for now.
00:36:11.17\00:36:12.60
We're implementing some
things in the community,
00:36:12.63\00:36:15.54
doing some advertising,
00:36:15.57\00:36:16.91
which I guess start
next week some of it too.
00:36:16.94\00:36:18.34
But a continuous program
00:36:18.37\00:36:20.18
to where people can just walk in
00:36:20.21\00:36:21.54
on the street and say all,
00:36:21.58\00:36:22.91
because a 14 week program
00:36:22.94\00:36:24.28
you can be like week
three like you missed stuff,
00:36:24.31\00:36:26.05
so we want someone
where somebody just come in,
00:36:26.08\00:36:28.22
they can share what
they're going through,
00:36:28.25\00:36:29.58
they can pray with them,
00:36:29.62\00:36:30.95
they can surround
them with support,
00:36:30.99\00:36:32.32
and one of the biggest
things that we talk about
00:36:32.35\00:36:34.92
is that this is confidential,
this is extremely confidential.
00:36:34.96\00:36:37.63
And we stress that.
00:36:37.66\00:36:39.03
Yeah, because if
it's not confidential,
00:36:39.06\00:36:40.86
you lose their trust.
00:36:40.90\00:36:42.23
Amen. Amen. Yeah.
00:36:42.26\00:36:43.77
So the continuous program
that you're calling it DOVE,
00:36:43.80\00:36:48.17
D-O-V-E.
00:36:48.20\00:36:49.54
That's an acronym for?
00:36:49.57\00:36:51.57
Acronym actually,
00:36:51.61\00:36:52.94
we have a little something
you designed to put together.
00:36:52.97\00:36:55.54
Yeah, I think
maybe bring the graphics
00:36:55.58\00:36:57.31
so I can follow along with.
00:36:57.35\00:36:59.18
Dove... Yeah, go ahead.
00:36:59.21\00:37:00.55
Divinely overcoming,
00:37:00.58\00:37:01.92
becoming
victorious and empowered.
00:37:01.95\00:37:05.09
Divinely overcoming,
00:37:05.12\00:37:06.65
becoming
victorious and empowered.
00:37:06.69\00:37:09.49
The DOVE recovery
group, I like that,
00:37:09.52\00:37:12.16
with your
favorite color of green.
00:37:12.19\00:37:13.70
Of course, yeah.
For new beginnings.
00:37:13.73\00:37:15.63
God is... Yes.
00:37:15.66\00:37:17.00
God with new beginning.
New beginning, exactly.
00:37:17.03\00:37:19.13
We came up with
that name specifically
00:37:19.17\00:37:21.60
because so when we sat down,
00:37:21.64\00:37:23.34
we said we want
this people to overcome.
00:37:23.37\00:37:27.51
We don't want people
to stay where they're at,
00:37:27.54\00:37:29.01
we want them to overcome,
00:37:29.04\00:37:30.38
we want them to
gain the victory,
00:37:30.41\00:37:31.75
we've seen it happen.
00:37:31.78\00:37:33.18
"Steps to Christ"
was integral part of that
00:37:33.21\00:37:36.85
and through that
ministry reading that book
00:37:36.89\00:37:39.39
and also what steps are there in
00:37:39.42\00:37:40.82
Celebrating Life in Recovery,
she deals in health as well,
00:37:40.86\00:37:43.49
which was really amazing
to implement that into that,
00:37:43.53\00:37:47.90
weave that into
that so it helps people
00:37:47.93\00:37:49.90
who are struggling to addiction
to overcome like you know,
00:37:49.93\00:37:51.67
learning to drink more water
00:37:51.70\00:37:53.34
or eating more better
foods or getting better rest
00:37:53.37\00:37:56.27
and all these necessary things
00:37:56.30\00:37:58.01
that associate with you
know, overcoming addiction.
00:37:58.04\00:38:00.98
So that was
really a key component
00:38:01.01\00:38:04.31
that we need is the overcoming.
00:38:04.35\00:38:07.68
We need to have overcoming
00:38:07.72\00:38:09.05
and also we want
to empower people,
00:38:09.08\00:38:11.35
so they can go and
take this to their families
00:38:11.39\00:38:12.95
like the Woman at the Well.
00:38:12.99\00:38:14.59
You think about
what Jesus did there,
00:38:14.62\00:38:16.02
you know, and He
didn't condemn her
00:38:16.06\00:38:18.06
or doing anything like
that, He just you know,
00:38:18.09\00:38:19.43
she said, I'm going
to tell my community
00:38:19.46\00:38:21.46
how many people came back?
00:38:21.50\00:38:22.83
It was a 1000 I think there was.
00:38:22.86\00:38:24.20
Whole city.
Thousand or so came back.
00:38:24.23\00:38:25.73
And you know who is this man?
00:38:25.77\00:38:27.10
Who is the greatest
evangelist? Yes. Indeed.
00:38:27.14\00:38:29.10
And was blessed, wasn't she?
00:38:29.14\00:38:30.64
Somebody there experienced it.
00:38:30.67\00:38:32.11
So we really want
people to overcome,
00:38:32.14\00:38:34.58
to be empowered, and to be...
00:38:34.61\00:38:37.28
So what is the
continuing program?
00:38:37.31\00:38:39.91
We're using this
life recovery Bible.
00:38:39.95\00:38:42.65
It's amazing resource.
00:38:42.68\00:38:44.89
And again it's
more in the language
00:38:44.92\00:38:47.39
that is very
simple to understand.
00:38:47.42\00:38:50.36
And there's also workbook
that we're gonna start using.
00:38:50.39\00:38:53.46
But this Bible is,
00:38:53.50\00:38:55.76
it has little
devotionals in here and...
00:38:55.80\00:38:58.70
Twelve step devotional.
Yeah, 12 step devotional.
00:38:58.73\00:39:01.40
It is a 12 step
program and so for example,
00:39:01.44\00:39:05.04
one week we'll go over
the topic of acceptance,
00:39:05.07\00:39:10.95
accepting that
you have a problem.
00:39:10.98\00:39:13.75
And then they'll be
a devotional on that
00:39:13.78\00:39:15.48
and then like in the
workbook there's questions
00:39:15.52\00:39:18.22
that will probe
them to think, you know,
00:39:18.25\00:39:20.29
different aspects of acceptance.
00:39:20.32\00:39:23.29
And this is just been
a really great resource.
00:39:23.32\00:39:25.69
And actually one of my
favorite things about this Bible
00:39:25.73\00:39:29.03
is The 12
Missteps of Life Recovery.
00:39:29.06\00:39:32.10
To me it shows the battle
of the flesh and the spirit.
00:39:32.13\00:39:35.84
Read those real quick...
00:39:35.87\00:39:37.21
All are good. Twelve missteps.
00:39:37.24\00:39:38.57
Okay, The 12
Missteps of Life Recovery.
00:39:38.61\00:39:40.21
"I can quit tomorrow."
00:39:40.24\00:39:41.98
And in every one of
these it has a scripture to it.
00:39:42.01\00:39:44.85
Yes, to show that...
00:39:44.88\00:39:46.75
To tell you can't.
00:39:46.78\00:39:48.72
And number two, "I can handle it
00:39:48.75\00:39:50.25
by just trying harder
or having more willpower."
00:39:50.29\00:39:53.09
Oh, boy, everybody's been there.
00:39:53.12\00:39:55.39
Yeah.
00:39:55.42\00:39:56.99
Number three,
"Turning my life over to Christ
00:39:57.03\00:39:59.09
is the only step I need."
00:39:59.13\00:40:01.03
And we all know that
that's very important
00:40:01.06\00:40:02.83
but we also need to
implement the practical...
00:40:02.86\00:40:06.94
Yes. Absolutely.
00:40:06.97\00:40:08.54
Applications.
00:40:08.57\00:40:09.90
Number four, "Twelve Step groups
00:40:09.94\00:40:11.51
that don't talk about
Jesus aren't worth my time."
00:40:11.54\00:40:15.11
And again that's...
00:40:15.14\00:40:17.05
But you know, that
is something that's
00:40:17.08\00:40:19.01
you know, there are
people who I've heard that
00:40:19.05\00:40:22.98
in different 12 step programs
00:40:23.02\00:40:24.62
and I'll just
specifically mention
00:40:24.65\00:40:26.09
this is in Alcoholics Anonymous,
00:40:26.12\00:40:27.86
there are some groups
that don't talk about God
00:40:27.89\00:40:30.06
and just there are
others who openly do,
00:40:30.09\00:40:33.03
but I've seen that
even I had a friend
00:40:33.06\00:40:37.63
who attended one where
they didn't talk about Jesus
00:40:37.67\00:40:40.87
but they did teach them to pray
00:40:40.90\00:40:42.77
and finally he was
praying "to this higher power".
00:40:42.80\00:40:46.14
And he said that he said,
I'm not sure it was audible
00:40:46.17\00:40:50.21
but it seemed
audible that he said,
00:40:50.25\00:40:52.95
"I heard a voice say,
I am your higher power.
00:40:52.98\00:40:57.45
My name is Jesus Christ."
00:40:57.49\00:40:58.89
Amen. Amen.
00:40:58.92\00:41:00.26
And he was
totally transformed. Yeah.
00:41:00.29\00:41:04.83
And see I think
that's important to mention
00:41:04.86\00:41:07.53
because Jesus takes us
where we're at you know,
00:41:07.56\00:41:11.77
and I think that, you know,
maybe somebody need to start,
00:41:11.80\00:41:14.14
some people need to
start in those other groups.
00:41:14.17\00:41:17.84
What we focus on is
their spiritual growth
00:41:17.87\00:41:19.87
more than anything.
00:41:19.91\00:41:21.81
And so we stress
the importance of Jesus
00:41:21.84\00:41:25.51
being the one that
helps them overcome,
00:41:25.55\00:41:28.05
but maybe some people
need other 12 step groups
00:41:28.08\00:41:31.49
for where they're
at in their walk...
00:41:31.52\00:41:33.02
'Cause there is some who
will never come to your group
00:41:33.05\00:41:34.86
if it's all about Jesus and God,
00:41:34.89\00:41:36.56
if they have no
belief whatsoever.
00:41:36.59\00:41:38.16
At least they'll
have somewhere to go.
00:41:38.19\00:41:40.06
And number five,
00:41:40.10\00:41:41.43
"While recovery
might be good for some,
00:41:41.46\00:41:42.93
it just isn't right for me."
00:41:42.96\00:41:45.43
Number six, "If
I follow the Bible,
00:41:45.47\00:41:47.14
I don't really need
to work the 12 steps."
00:41:47.17\00:41:49.37
And again, you know,
00:41:49.40\00:41:50.74
there's the
practicality aspect of that.
00:41:50.77\00:41:53.44
Number seven, "Since
I'm accountable to God,
00:41:53.48\00:41:55.71
I don't need a sponsor."
00:41:55.74\00:41:58.05
Number eight,
"Since God has forgiven me,
00:41:58.08\00:42:00.95
I don't need to go back
to rehash what I've done."
00:42:00.98\00:42:03.52
So all of these
are the missteps...
00:42:03.55\00:42:05.42
Missteps. Yes.
00:42:05.45\00:42:06.79
In case anybody is
listening on the radio,
00:42:06.82\00:42:08.16
we don't want them to
think, these are the true steps.
00:42:08.19\00:42:10.13
These are the
missteps of the life recovery.
00:42:10.16\00:42:12.63
And this is kind of like
00:42:12.66\00:42:14.20
where we go in
our natural flesh,
00:42:14.23\00:42:17.50
it's like what we
naturally want to think.
00:42:17.53\00:42:20.24
And so number nine,
00:42:20.27\00:42:21.80
"Since Jesus would want
me to help my old friends,
00:42:21.84\00:42:24.87
I don't need to
change where I go
00:42:24.91\00:42:26.54
or who I hang out with."
00:42:26.57\00:42:28.44
Big one there. Well,
that's a big mistake.
00:42:28.48\00:42:29.81
Very big one.
00:42:29.84\00:42:31.65
Number 10, "Though I
can forgive most things,
00:42:31.68\00:42:34.05
some things are
just beyond forgiveness."
00:42:34.08\00:42:36.65
We know that's not possible
00:42:36.69\00:42:38.52
but Jesus can
forgive all things.
00:42:38.55\00:42:40.22
And if we don't
know forgiveness is...
00:42:40.26\00:42:44.06
unforgiveness is the root
of bitterness and resentment.
00:42:44.09\00:42:47.53
Yes. And it's...
00:42:47.56\00:42:49.06
And some people...
00:42:49.10\00:42:50.43
There's no
healing if we don't. Yeah.
00:42:50.47\00:42:51.80
So people need to
hear that forgiveness,
00:42:51.83\00:42:53.17
you know, it helps them to heal.
00:42:53.20\00:42:54.54
Right. Sure.
00:42:54.57\00:42:56.17
Number 11, "Since I
am involved in recovery,
00:42:56.20\00:42:58.44
I don't need additional
counseling or medication."
00:42:58.47\00:43:03.21
Number 12, "After making
good progress in my recovery,
00:43:03.24\00:43:06.35
I can start using
again in moderation."
00:43:06.38\00:43:09.25
That one is really scary. Yes.
00:43:09.28\00:43:11.25
So those are things that
00:43:11.29\00:43:13.15
so following the
Celebrating Life in Recovery,
00:43:13.19\00:43:16.32
the Cheri Peters recovery group
that now you are taking them
00:43:16.36\00:43:20.90
into this life recovery Bible.
00:43:20.93\00:43:23.60
Let me ask you this question.
00:43:23.63\00:43:25.20
What do you do,
00:43:25.23\00:43:26.57
have you had anyone
walking off the street
00:43:26.60\00:43:29.20
who hasn't been
through the 14 weeks
00:43:29.24\00:43:32.51
the 12 step recovery?
00:43:32.54\00:43:34.44
Have you had
somebody just joined you
00:43:34.48\00:43:36.14
and here you are
working with people
00:43:36.18\00:43:38.71
that have gone through recovery.
00:43:38.75\00:43:40.65
Are they lost I mean,
or do you intend to do
00:43:40.68\00:43:42.95
the Celebrating Life in
Recovery 14 week program
00:43:42.98\00:43:46.55
again sometime or?
00:43:46.59\00:43:48.96
Basically, what we're looking as
00:43:48.99\00:43:50.33
just making this a
continuous ministry
00:43:50.36\00:43:53.26
to where it's just continuous.
00:43:53.29\00:43:54.86
Because we want to make it
to where anybody can come in
00:43:54.90\00:43:56.67
like you said off the street.
00:43:56.70\00:43:58.03
And just come in the middle
like week five or week seven
00:43:58.07\00:44:01.70
and what we've been doing in
00:44:01.74\00:44:03.07
like with this
Life Recovery workbook
00:44:03.10\00:44:04.84
and what it does is
there's different devotionals
00:44:04.87\00:44:06.61
in the back.
00:44:06.64\00:44:07.98
There is a seven for
step one, seven for step two,
00:44:08.01\00:44:10.35
so on so forth.
00:44:10.38\00:44:11.71
And what this does is it
correlates with each step.
00:44:11.75\00:44:14.58
So it kind of
like a stepping ladder
00:44:14.62\00:44:15.98
like a ladder to each step
00:44:16.02\00:44:17.35
and I'll just maybe read
you a couple question here.
00:44:17.39\00:44:19.19
This is called
know one situations.
00:44:19.22\00:44:21.49
Question number one says,
what feelings do I experience
00:44:21.52\00:44:24.13
as I acknowledge
people in my life
00:44:24.16\00:44:26.09
who have power such
as supervisors, spouse,
00:44:26.13\00:44:28.76
religious leaders, and sponsors?
00:44:28.80\00:44:30.87
Just kind of answer that or
what do I try to escape from
00:44:30.90\00:44:33.84
why do or what
do I feel trapped?
00:44:33.87\00:44:36.07
So this is that's
increasing the self-awareness,
00:44:36.10\00:44:39.67
I see that we're
running out of time,
00:44:39.71\00:44:41.44
but it's excellent material.
00:44:41.48\00:44:43.48
It's an excellent.
00:44:43.51\00:44:44.85
I mean, I'm just so proud of you
00:44:44.88\00:44:46.31
that you've allowed God,
00:44:46.35\00:44:49.15
you didn't just take for granted
00:44:49.18\00:44:50.79
what the Lord
had done in your life
00:44:50.82\00:44:52.32
but now you're sharing that.
00:44:52.35\00:44:54.09
And did you find that you're
growing through this as well.
00:44:54.12\00:44:56.69
Oh, yes, definitely.
00:44:56.73\00:44:58.06
You know, we always
say that we learn to teach
00:44:58.09\00:45:01.10
but we teach to learn.
00:45:01.13\00:45:02.96
It's like you can be... Oh, yes.
00:45:03.00\00:45:04.33
Learning something... For sure.
00:45:04.37\00:45:05.70
And then when you
start teaching it,
00:45:05.73\00:45:07.07
it is like it is
so deep inside of you.
00:45:07.10\00:45:09.67
So I know that you want to make
yourself available to people.
00:45:09.70\00:45:14.28
Yes.
00:45:14.31\00:45:15.64
If you want to start
one of these recovery groups
00:45:15.68\00:45:18.75
and you just like to
talk to somebody who has,
00:45:18.78\00:45:21.62
if you are
interested in your church
00:45:21.65\00:45:23.72
becoming involved
in something like this
00:45:23.75\00:45:25.62
or reaching out
to the community,
00:45:25.65\00:45:27.42
that's what we
must do with... Amen.
00:45:27.46\00:45:29.22
We have to reach
out... That's right.
00:45:29.26\00:45:30.59
With the love of Jesus.
00:45:30.63\00:45:31.96
And hold Jesus high
00:45:31.99\00:45:33.33
and He will draw
all men into Himself.
00:45:33.36\00:45:35.43
Donald, why don't you
give us your email address
00:45:35.46\00:45:37.83
and if you're brave
enough your phone number
00:45:37.87\00:45:39.93
for people to contact you?
00:45:39.97\00:45:41.30
Sure.
00:45:41.34\00:45:42.67
My email address, it's Donald,
D-O-N-A-L-D Ral, it's R-A-L,
00:45:42.70\00:45:47.71
I should say Ralph
abbreviated in R-A-L.
00:45:47.74\00:45:50.88
And last name, Owen,
O-W-E-N and then number 2.
00:45:50.91\00:45:53.72
So it's
Donaldralowen2@gmail.com.
00:45:53.75\00:45:57.89
And my number, it's 812-267-0228
00:45:57.92\00:46:01.82
and you can reach
me pretty much anytime.
00:46:01.86\00:46:03.79
I will get back to
you as soon as I can,
00:46:03.83\00:46:05.76
I usually respond,
so as quickly as I can.
00:46:05.79\00:46:08.16
So if you want give me
a call to 812-267-0228.
00:46:08.20\00:46:12.63
Look forward to
hearing from someone
00:46:12.67\00:46:14.20
because I know
there's people out there
00:46:14.24\00:46:15.57
that need to hear,
they need this ministry,
00:46:15.60\00:46:17.64
it's very important,
it's addiction recovery
00:46:17.67\00:46:19.71
and just reach out to me.
00:46:19.74\00:46:21.74
That's all I can just add so.
00:46:21.78\00:46:23.11
And then I have
to just reiterate
00:46:23.14\00:46:24.78
what you said in the beginning
00:46:24.81\00:46:26.15
that none of us can just
stick your head in the sand
00:46:26.18\00:46:30.99
and ignore this problem because
it's happening in our churches,
00:46:31.02\00:46:34.92
it's happening in
families of church members.
00:46:34.96\00:46:38.36
There are people
who are suffering with,
00:46:38.39\00:46:42.46
it could be a spouse
00:46:42.50\00:46:43.83
that's involved in
pornography or drinking
00:46:43.87\00:46:46.13
or maybe their spouse
is not involved in church,
00:46:46.17\00:46:49.34
but there's even church
members who come to church
00:46:49.37\00:46:52.31
grit their teeth, they smile
00:46:52.34\00:46:54.68
and they act like
everything's okay.
00:46:54.71\00:46:56.41
They've just got, you know,
00:46:56.44\00:46:57.78
they've mastered
the verbal camouflage
00:46:57.81\00:47:00.22
but they need to
have a safe place
00:47:00.25\00:47:04.22
where they can feel
that people they trust
00:47:04.25\00:47:08.29
that they can share
these problems with,
00:47:08.32\00:47:10.69
so that they can overcome.
00:47:10.73\00:47:12.93
Because, as you say
00:47:12.96\00:47:15.00
if we don't get
real, we can't heal.
00:47:15.03\00:47:17.57
There you go.
00:47:17.60\00:47:18.93
So that's very, very important.
00:47:18.97\00:47:20.44
Well, I just want to thank you.
00:47:20.47\00:47:21.80
We're gonna come
back in just a moment
00:47:21.84\00:47:23.57
for a final
thought from the two of you
00:47:23.61\00:47:26.31
but I want to thank
you for what you're doing
00:47:26.34\00:47:28.34
for the glory of God.
00:47:28.38\00:47:30.21
And it's just so exciting
to see you all are involved,
00:47:30.25\00:47:33.95
every weekend
you're doing something.
00:47:33.98\00:47:36.75
Having no children,
00:47:36.79\00:47:38.42
it seems like you have
put all of your energies
00:47:38.45\00:47:42.02
into rearing up
spiritual chore with the Lord.
00:47:42.06\00:47:44.06
Oh, amen. That's what we want.
00:47:44.09\00:47:45.83
Well, this has just
been a time that reminds us
00:47:45.86\00:47:51.13
how much we need
to share the Lord.
00:47:51.17\00:47:54.54
But before we come
back with a final thought,
00:47:54.57\00:47:56.91
we want to have another
song with Stephanie Dawn
00:47:56.94\00:48:00.48
and Dan Thornton
will be on the piano.
00:48:00.51\00:48:02.88
And I love the
simplicity of Stephanie Dawn
00:48:02.91\00:48:07.32
really communicates a message.
00:48:07.35\00:48:09.78
I love the simplicity
with which she delivers a song
00:48:09.82\00:48:13.42
because you
really hear the words
00:48:13.46\00:48:16.73
and these words are special,
"How Deep the Father's Love".
00:48:16.76\00:48:20.10
How deep the
Father's love for us
00:48:35.34\00:48:42.28
How vast beyond all measure
00:48:42.32\00:48:49.06
That He should give His only Son
00:48:49.09\00:48:55.86
To make a wretch His treasure
00:48:55.90\00:49:02.77
How great the
pain of searing loss
00:49:02.80\00:49:09.61
The Father turns His face away
00:49:09.64\00:49:16.02
As wounds which
mar the Chosen One
00:49:16.05\00:49:22.99
Bring many sons
00:49:23.02\00:49:25.69
To glory
00:49:25.73\00:49:30.70
Behold the man upon a cross
00:49:41.18\00:49:47.65
My sin upon His shoulders
00:49:47.68\00:49:54.02
Ashamed I hear my mocking voice
00:49:54.06\00:50:00.80
Call out among the scoffers
00:50:00.83\00:50:07.77
It was my sin
that held Him there
00:50:07.80\00:50:14.51
Until it was accomplished
00:50:14.54\00:50:20.98
His dying breath
has brought me life
00:50:21.02\00:50:27.76
I know that it is finished
00:50:27.79\00:50:34.76
I will not boast in anything
00:50:45.77\00:50:52.41
No gifts, no power, no wisdom
00:50:52.45\00:50:59.05
But I will boast in Jesus Christ
00:50:59.09\00:51:05.53
His death and resurrection
00:51:05.56\00:51:12.47
Why should I
gain from His reward?
00:51:12.50\00:51:19.07
I cannot give an answer
00:51:19.11\00:51:25.61
But this I know
with all my heart
00:51:25.65\00:51:32.35
His wounds have paid my ransom
00:51:32.39\00:51:39.13
Why should I
gain from His reward?
00:51:39.16\00:51:45.70
I cannot give an answer
00:51:45.73\00:51:52.44
But this I know
00:51:52.47\00:51:55.48
With all my heart
00:51:55.51\00:51:59.75
His wounds
00:51:59.78\00:52:01.68
Have paid my ransom
00:52:01.72\00:52:07.79