I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people.
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Hello, and welcome
once again to 3ABN Today.
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We're having a
wonderful day here at 3ABN
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and we hope that
yours is even better.
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Just want to
take this opportunity
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to thank you so much
for your continued prayers
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and financial
support of this ministry
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because it is the
mending broken heart channel.
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And we're just so grateful
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that God has given
us this opportunity
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to work with
you as our partners,
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to reach out and touch the lost,
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and the
suffering around the world.
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I want to share a
scripture with you
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before I introduce my guest
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and it is in Revelation 12:11,
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and in this scripture
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the Bible says,
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"They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
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and by the word
of their testimony."
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You know, there is
nothing more powerful
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than a personal testimony
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and it brings God so much glory.
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The woman that I want
to introduce to you now,
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I met what 10 years ago maybe?
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It was around 2003.
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2003, so, wow
that's been even longer.
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Rachel William
Smith and, Rachel,
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we're so glad that you're here.
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We first met in Houston, Texas.
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And when I heard your
story, I was so blown away.
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I told you,
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you've got to
write a book and you did.
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But we're here today
to talk about your story
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and how it brings glory to God.
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And how your story is affecting
so many other people's life,
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impacting their
lives for the positive.
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Thank you so much
for being here today.
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Thank you for having me,
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I feel blessed to
be here this morning.
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Oh, yeah.
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We are going to...
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Before we get into
this testimony though,
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we want to have a little music.
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You like music I know,
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so who we have
with us today singing
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are Todd and Lisa Parrish
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and they are
going to sing for us
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"One More Voice."
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Listen to the singing
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of the people of the Lord
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Filling all the
earth with songs of praise
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For, by many millions
now, the Savior is adored
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I have also joined
the song they raise!
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One more voice to sing of Jesus
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and his boundless love divine
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One more voice
to join in worship
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One more voice it will be mine!
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One more voice to
speak His goodness
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Tell of His rich gifts outpoured
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Add my song to swell the chorus
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One more voice
Here's one more voice
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One more voice
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to praise the Lord!
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Maybe just a few will
hear the song of praise I sing
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But, my friend, I'll
sing it just the same
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Daily and with gratitude
I'll worship Christ my King
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Wonderful and
precious is His name!
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One more voice to sing of Jesus
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And his wondrous love divine
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One more voice
to join in worship
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One more voice it will be mine
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One more voice to
speak His goodness
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Tell of His rich gifts outpoured
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Add my song to swell the chorus
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One more voice
Here's one more voice
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One more voice
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to praise the Lord!
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One more voice to
speak His goodness
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Tell of His rich gifts outpoured
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Add my song to swell the chorus
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One more voice
Here's one more voice
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One more voice
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to praise the Lord!
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Well, amen and amen.
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We were just sitting here
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singing along
with Lisa and Todd,
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and we want to thank them
so much for their dedication
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and for dedicating their
gifts to the glory of God.
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Well, if you've joined
us just a few moments late,
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our special guest today
is Rachel Williams Smith,
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and boy, has she
got a story to tell.
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Let's just go back
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and talk about your childhood.
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You were brought up
in a Christian home,
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in a Seventh-day
Adventist Christian home,
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but somewhere along
the line something happened
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that instead of
following independents
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upon the Lord,
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there was a little
tweak and they kind of got,
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I'll just say that
was almost like a detour.
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It was a harder path,
let's put it that way.
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Tell us about growing up?
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Sure, I think my early life
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as in from one to about five
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was normal Seventh-day Adventist
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growing up except my
father was in the military.
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So the first place I remember
being is actually in Spain.
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And then we came back to
the Huntsville, Alabama area
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and my brothers went to
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the Adventist
elementary school there,
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and I was looking forward
to being able to go as well.
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But my parents have
been doing a lot of reading
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Bible, Spirit of
Prophecy, health books,
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and lot of writings by people
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who were somewhat
dissatisfied with the church.
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And over time, over the months
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that a curve path began passing
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after about the time I
turned six, I mean five,
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a lot of changes began
to come into our lives.
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So the first thing was
diet I think, you know,
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and we actually went to
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a better diet of
things concerned.
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So we were regular vegetarians,
we basically turn vegan.
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I don't remember if that
term was around back then
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but that's all we became and...
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So the vegan means
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that you are eating no
animal products whatsoever,
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so that gets rid
of the eggs, milk etc.
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Right.
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And then we
also let go off sugar
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and things like that,
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so I had already
developed a certain taste,
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you know, for how food should be
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so when we went from
the white fluffy biscuits
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to the whole wheat biscuits,
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I didn't love that
and we went from eggs
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to something that was
supposed to replace eggs.
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Eggs I didn't
think it was replacement,
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but it did make me healthier
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because I used to get
a lot of colds and flu,
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you know, stuff
like that so I got...
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It improved my health.
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So it was overall a good change.
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And then the next thing
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where we
actually traveling a lot,
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going from place to place,
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visiting with
other people who had
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properly you could say
dissatisfaction with the church
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and just learning from them.
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The next thing
that I remember though,
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I remember the travels
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but they were
just what they were.
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But the next
thing was the dress.
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I remember mom came into
my room one day and she said,
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you know, did you know
that Jesus wears a dress,
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oh, not a dress,
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Jesus wears a
garment down to the foot,
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and she said, would
you like to be like Jesus.
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And so, of course,
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I mean I wanted to be,
I was six at this time,
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of course I
want to be like Jesus
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so I said yes.
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And also that where
she showed me a quote
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we should wear
dresses two to three inches
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from the floor.
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So that was the next thing,
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and I actually have
a picture of me at six
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with one of the
first homemade long dresses
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that my mom did for me.
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And this quote was written
back in the 1890s probably.
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Right, exactly, exactly.
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So, and...
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At my first my mom sort
of bore around whatever,
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you know, like a extension
on whatever clothes I had
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and I thought that
looked really tacky
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and I told her that,
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so she tried
applying rickrack around it,
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and I said that doesn't
work so she end up making,
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start making my
clothes and I didn't know
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but from then until I
was, you know, nearly 17.
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All my clothes
were with the thing
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she made pretty much.
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But the next change is the one
that really changed our lives.
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And that was my father
decided that we were not going,
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he was not gonna
return my brothers
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to the elementary school
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and he wasn't gonna
allow me to start school.
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So instead, he was
gonna home-school us.
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And I remember he brought
three little wooden desks
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and put them in the
living room of our home.
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We lived 19 OA Rideout Road,
I still remember the address.
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And there we are
the first day of school
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where I'm supposed to be
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at what was
elementary school at the time,
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I'm supposed to be there
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and instead I'm
sitting in my living room
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learning scriptures and passages
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from the Ellen White writings,
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and I was so sad
'cause I want to be with,
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you know, with
other kids at school.
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But the reason why
that was a big change
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is because we
ended up being reported,
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someone reported us
to the authorities and...
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So was home schooling
not... it was not legal.
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It was not legal back.
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Yeah, and this was prior
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to when you have
all of these options
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for home schooling, joining
with home school networks
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and all of that kind of thing.
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The parents can do
now, this was not...
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this before any of
that was established.
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So it wasn't structured,
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it was kind of
left up to your parents
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to try to decide what to
do and what to teach you.
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They began trying to
use books over the years
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that home schooling happened
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we used books
from the Mennonites,
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they have this Rod and Staff
publishers company back then.
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And we also tried
some books from Wildwood
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which is self supporting
Seventh-day Adventist school.
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They had a school we used
some of the books from them.
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And that's what we started
out with I remember that,
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trying to do
some of their program.
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And then after a while of course
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as the time went on,
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it was just kind of
put a book in front of you
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and you read or try
to do some of the work.
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So it evolved over the time,
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but at the time when
the home schooling happen,
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what made it so significant
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is that we got
someone reported us
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and the
authorities came after us.
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They threatened my parents
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to either put us back in school
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or they were gonna take us away,
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and my father said, no,
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I have another option
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and he took us
away out of society.
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So that is what began
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our flight out of society
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as we would call it now,
calling going off the grid.
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So it happen its
edges. Fled to the hills.
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Yeah, we first went to Arkansas,
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we were there for time
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and then we ended up
in Ardmore, Tennessee,
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just on the
Tennessee side I believe
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or anyway right on the
border of Tennessee and Alabama.
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Stayed out there on a
farm and then we ended up,
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we were there for I
don't know close to a year,
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did some home schooling
there with another family
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and then we ended up
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going to Monte Sano State
Park in Huntsville, Alabama.
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And we lived there
in a bus for a year.
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Wow.
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Yeah, and so that was a
very kind of nomadic life
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and then from there my
parents bought 50 acres
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in Tennessee up on a hill
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and it was very isolated,
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there was no
electricity, running water,
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it was one rutted road
that led you in and out.
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So no indoor plumbing then.
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No indoor
plumbing, no media, no...
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We could just stop with no.
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It was a old house
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and we eventually added
addition on to the house
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but we stayed initially in
our bus, living in our bus,
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it was a challenge
getting the bus up on the hill.
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Was able to do that
and we're basically living
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as if it were
in the 19th century
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because of how our
lifestyle was set up.
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We grew our own food,
we made our own clothes,
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we took care of
own medical needs,
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we had school at home,
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we had church at home,
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we tried to be as
independent as possible.
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So, for a young child,
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it may have been more difficult
for your brothers actually
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because they
knew a little bit more
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but how did, did you
feel content growing up,
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did you feel
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that there had
to be something more
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or did you feel isolated.
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What were your
feelings as a young child?
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Well, when I was really small,
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I think living in a bus
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when we're living in
the state park and stuff,
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everyday I often was lonely,
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you know, maybe sometimes bored
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but I entertain
myself very well.
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Spend a lot of time in nature,
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pursuing the micro things
of nature like little ants
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and watching them,
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you know, birds and trees.
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My mom kept us really
busy with learning about nature
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and things like that.
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So while I was lonely,
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I usually
wasn't bored and I knew
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and then when we moved out
on to the hill as we called it,
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I felt the isolation,
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but I don't think at that age,
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by the time we
moved out there I was nine
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and actually
have a picture of me
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there when we first
moved out about nine years old,
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and to me it was the way life
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was even though I knew
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it wasn't normal
life for other people.
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It was normal life for us.
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So in many ways, I mean,
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you know, some people
are sitting here listening
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and thinking
oh, this is idyllic,
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you know, to think about
you're living out in nature.
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There were a lot of good things.
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You know, we believe,
I know a lot of people
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who home school
their children now,
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and of course it
has grown so much.
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And home
schooling can be very good
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but for you all,
00:16:53.84\00:16:56.04
your parents
took it to an extreme.
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You were completely
isolated from society.
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Yeah, I don't think that was...
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Sometimes things evolve
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and I don't think that
was the intent necessarily
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but there was the whole idea
of separation from the world,
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because it all
came down to two things,
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you know, Jesus is coming,
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there is a time of
trouble preceding it,
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we need to
separate from the world
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and prepare for Jesus coming.
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Separation and preparation
were the themes of what we did.
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And so the further out you move,
00:17:26.98\00:17:29.04
the more isolated
you are the better
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because that separates
you from worldly influence
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and then if the
setting is rugged,
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if the situation is harsh
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and probably need
to mention some points,
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some of the
daily living conditions
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especially during
the heat of the summer
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and the cold of the winter,
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it could be very harsh,
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but all of those things
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then become a
matter of preparation
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for the time of trouble.
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Because when the
time of trouble comes,
00:17:53.44\00:17:54.77
you're not gonna
have convenience anyway,
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you know, so
there was a logic to it.
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It wasn't an
intent to be extreme
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but rather the
evolution of circumstances
00:18:02.21\00:18:05.71
that can lead you there
00:18:05.75\00:18:07.22
and I think that can
happen with a lot of people
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except that for most people
00:18:09.62\00:18:11.25
it probably
happens more conceptually
00:18:11.29\00:18:13.82
and not circumstantially.
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Not many people are
willing or able to make as clean
00:18:15.62\00:18:20.56
and thorough
break as my parents did.
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And in a sense I
admire and respect that
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because they just went all
out for what they believed.
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It doesn't change the fact
that the extremeness of it has
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its own impact
which is not good,
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but at the same time you
can understand the motive.
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You can understand
what the objective was
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in what they're doing.
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Now, here is a question,
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I hope it
doesn't seem too personal
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but with your parents,
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did they teach you
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to really have a
personal intimate
00:18:51.89\00:18:54.70
relationship with the Lord,
00:18:54.73\00:18:57.17
was there is one
of total dependence
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upon the Lord
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or they more the type
who laid down the rules
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that you know making salvation
00:19:05.47\00:19:10.71
and the interaction with
God nothing more than rules.
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Which way did they go?
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I think that's a
excellent question
00:19:16.35\00:19:18.15
and I think it leads
to a principle that...
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A lot of people
tend not to understand
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when we're dealing with balanced
00:19:24.16\00:19:25.49
and imbalanced religion.
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The fact of the
matter is what you focus on
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and emphasize is more important
00:19:30.03\00:19:32.53
than whatever you
say is more important.
00:19:32.57\00:19:35.54
So yes, we were encouraged
00:19:35.57\00:19:37.61
to have a personal
relationship with Christ.
00:19:37.64\00:19:40.08
I remember my
father's favorite verse was,
00:19:40.11\00:19:41.98
"If any man be in
Christ, he is a new creature,
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old things are passed away,
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behold, all
things are become new."
00:19:45.81\00:19:47.42
And he used to...
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particularly he used to talk
00:19:48.82\00:19:50.15
about having a
personal relationship
00:19:50.19\00:19:51.52
and my mother backed that up.
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However, on a daily basis
00:19:53.02\00:19:56.39
what was
emphasized and focused on
00:19:56.42\00:19:58.63
was so rule based.
00:19:58.66\00:20:00.90
So much about
every detail of the law
00:20:00.93\00:20:06.17
that the effect was you didn't
00:20:06.20\00:20:11.14
focus on a personal
relationship with Jesus.
00:20:11.17\00:20:13.38
You cannot emphasize and
focus on two different things
00:20:13.41\00:20:16.21
at the same time.
00:20:16.24\00:20:17.78
And our lifestyle was all about,
00:20:17.81\00:20:20.08
you know, inches.
00:20:20.12\00:20:22.92
By this time we were wearing
bonnets I should mention,
00:20:22.95\00:20:25.82
everything was...
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And just to
give the illustration
00:20:28.32\00:20:29.82
what I'm saying about the rules.
00:20:29.86\00:20:33.03
First it started
with 1 Corinthians 11,
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the way we read
and interpreted that.
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Paul actually
speaks of it as a custom,
00:20:37.37\00:20:40.07
if you read through
those verses at the end,
00:20:40.10\00:20:41.90
he kind of ends
his discussion...
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Well, go ahead
and referring to those
00:20:43.30\00:20:44.64
who don't know what
1 Corinthians 11 is.
00:20:44.67\00:20:46.21
Yes, 1 Corinthians 11
00:20:46.24\00:20:47.58
talks about a
woman covering her hair,
00:20:47.61\00:20:48.94
when she prays or
prophesize in public.
00:20:48.98\00:20:51.51
And then of course the
Bible says pray without ceasing.
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So we combine those two verses,
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basically women should always
00:20:57.75\00:20:59.09
keep her hair covered in public,
00:20:59.12\00:21:01.86
but if you read that passage
00:21:01.89\00:21:03.56
I think it ends
around verse 10 or 11
00:21:03.59\00:21:05.33
from the one
through about 10 or 11.
00:21:05.36\00:21:08.26
It emphasizes,
he kind of ends it
00:21:08.30\00:21:10.93
with saying that he doesn't,
there is no other custom.
00:21:10.97\00:21:14.70
He kind of ends
the discussion with it,
00:21:14.74\00:21:16.71
putting in a
category of a custom
00:21:16.74\00:21:18.57
but we took it as a law.
00:21:18.61\00:21:19.94
If it was written down as a law,
00:21:19.97\00:21:21.41
so why a bonnet will...
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We read a quote in one
of the Testimony volumes
00:21:23.24\00:21:26.08
that says the small
bonnet exposing the face
00:21:26.11\00:21:29.58
and head show a lack of modesty.
00:21:29.62\00:21:31.55
We combined that
with 1 Corinthians 11,
00:21:31.59\00:21:33.79
then what we have to do
is wear the large product
00:21:33.82\00:21:36.62
so we basically wore bonnets
00:21:36.66\00:21:40.56
like Amish or like
the Mennonites wear,
00:21:40.60\00:21:43.73
Amish wear, the large ones,
00:21:43.77\00:21:46.53
not the little cap in
the back of your head.
00:21:46.57\00:21:48.74
And it came from the way
00:21:48.77\00:21:50.94
we would put scripture together,
00:21:50.97\00:21:52.77
interpret it and
then all based it on,
00:21:52.81\00:21:57.51
it says it, then
you do it, very literal,
00:21:57.55\00:22:01.38
very absolute
interpretation of the Bible.
00:22:01.42\00:22:05.49
And there is nothing wrong
00:22:05.52\00:22:06.86
with interpreting
the scripture literally,
00:22:06.89\00:22:09.36
but I think that
we always have to
00:22:09.39\00:22:12.13
allow a relationship with God,
00:22:12.16\00:22:14.53
a daily relationship with
God to help us to understand
00:22:14.56\00:22:18.47
how our daily life
should be worked out
00:22:18.50\00:22:20.57
and then what
some of these things
00:22:20.60\00:22:22.17
should end up being for us.
00:22:22.20\00:22:23.54
Well, and you
know, it's interesting
00:22:23.57\00:22:25.84
because imbalanced religion
00:22:25.87\00:22:28.88
will focus in on a
handful of scriptures
00:22:28.91\00:22:32.68
to the exclusion of others
00:22:32.71\00:22:34.38
like where Christ
said we are in the world
00:22:34.42\00:22:37.45
but not off the world,
00:22:37.49\00:22:38.82
so I can think of
a dozen scriptures
00:22:38.85\00:22:41.92
that would say, okay,
this was not necessary
00:22:41.96\00:22:44.79
to be so isolated
away from the world,
00:22:44.83\00:22:47.33
and I mean there is always
00:22:47.36\00:22:51.07
when people are imbalanced,
00:22:51.10\00:22:52.43
they always have
00:22:52.47\00:22:54.54
just that
handful of pit scriptures
00:22:54.57\00:22:56.71
that they are holding on
to making rules as you said,
00:22:56.74\00:23:00.01
but what kind of effect...
00:23:00.04\00:23:03.81
Do you feel
that how old were you
00:23:03.85\00:23:06.45
when you finally
got off the hill,
00:23:06.48\00:23:08.58
let me ask that?
00:23:08.62\00:23:10.42
I was 16...
00:23:10.45\00:23:12.75
And what brought
you off the hill?
00:23:12.79\00:23:14.79
So my father ended up leaving.
00:23:14.82\00:23:18.76
He left...
00:23:18.79\00:23:22.03
As in leaving the
family. As in, right.
00:23:22.06\00:23:25.07
I found out just before
he left that he was going.
00:23:25.10\00:23:30.11
He told me that
he wouldn't be back,
00:23:30.14\00:23:32.21
I knew he was going.
00:23:32.24\00:23:33.58
He and my older brother
00:23:33.61\00:23:34.94
were going to
Houston, Texas to build houses
00:23:34.98\00:23:37.25
so I knew that in that area,
00:23:37.28\00:23:39.81
but they were
supposed to be gone
00:23:39.85\00:23:41.58
for few months and
return 'cause we needed funds.
00:23:41.62\00:23:43.89
It was, you know, we were poor
00:23:43.92\00:23:45.75
and it was always a
struggle to have money
00:23:45.79\00:23:48.62
and to be able to make it,
00:23:48.66\00:23:50.06
so I knew he was going
00:23:50.09\00:23:51.79
but it was just
one of the normal,
00:23:51.83\00:23:53.96
you know, at that time becoming
00:23:54.00\00:23:55.93
increasingly more normal
00:23:55.96\00:23:57.30
for my father and brother to go,
00:23:57.33\00:23:58.67
find work come back.
00:23:58.70\00:24:00.74
But he told me he
wasn't coming back
00:24:00.77\00:24:02.50
and he didn't
explain why, it was...
00:24:02.54\00:24:05.54
I was shocked, I was confused.
00:24:05.57\00:24:08.64
My mother did not know.
00:24:08.68\00:24:11.58
I knew she didn't know
because she went over to,
00:24:11.61\00:24:14.58
you know, kiss him goodbye
00:24:14.62\00:24:16.15
and then everything
00:24:16.18\00:24:17.95
that rolled out
after that maybe,
00:24:17.99\00:24:19.45
you know, I can see
the shock on her face,
00:24:19.49\00:24:21.12
the way he reacted
to other things he said,
00:24:21.16\00:24:23.19
and that's the first time
00:24:23.22\00:24:24.56
she realized he
wasn't coming back either.
00:24:24.59\00:24:28.10
People always ask me
why and over the years
00:24:28.13\00:24:30.47
we did stay in
contact over the years,
00:24:30.50\00:24:32.50
he never explained
that but he said enough,
00:24:32.53\00:24:36.67
he said he thought
that we would be okay,
00:24:36.71\00:24:38.94
and the way I understand it now,
00:24:38.97\00:24:41.78
it was probably a
matter of Jesus didn't come
00:24:41.81\00:24:45.38
because we had a very
clear timeline in our months.
00:24:45.41\00:24:49.78
So you were doing some dates.
00:24:49.82\00:24:51.15
Yeah, when we moved out there
00:24:51.19\00:24:53.22
that picture you saw
was me at about nine,
00:24:53.25\00:24:55.92
and when we moved out there
00:24:55.96\00:24:57.29
I remember being taught
that Jesus was gonna come
00:24:57.33\00:24:59.23
within the next five years.
00:24:59.26\00:25:01.93
We had clear dates.
00:25:01.96\00:25:03.30
So it was like what
the people went through
00:25:03.33\00:25:05.40
during the great disappointment
because that your father
00:25:05.43\00:25:08.70
made all of this radical changes
00:25:08.74\00:25:11.37
and he got out there
and then it was like, okay.
00:25:11.41\00:25:14.78
See that's the
problem with dates setting
00:25:14.81\00:25:16.54
because the
Bible, Jesus Himself said
00:25:16.58\00:25:18.81
no one knows the
date or the hour,
00:25:18.85\00:25:21.88
not even Him, only
the Father in heaven.
00:25:21.92\00:25:24.89
True and we acknowledge that.
00:25:24.92\00:25:26.25
Nobody knows the day of the hour
00:25:26.29\00:25:27.62
but that doesn't mean
00:25:27.66\00:25:28.99
you can't know
the month or year.
00:25:29.02\00:25:30.36
Yeah, okay.
00:25:30.39\00:25:31.73
So that's how we...
00:25:31.76\00:25:33.09
You know, so we know
relatively when He is coming
00:25:33.13\00:25:35.76
as we wind up the prophecies,
00:25:35.80\00:25:37.57
as we look at the timeline,
we can interpret this and know
00:25:37.60\00:25:40.17
that He is coming
right within this time frame,
00:25:40.20\00:25:42.17
might be off by
two or three years
00:25:42.20\00:25:43.57
but we know He is coming.
00:25:43.61\00:25:45.01
We don't know
the day or the hour,
00:25:45.04\00:25:46.37
but we know and
Jesus didn't come.
00:25:46.41\00:25:49.14
His children were getting older,
00:25:49.18\00:25:50.85
my father's
children were getting older
00:25:50.88\00:25:52.21
as in I and my brothers.
00:25:52.25\00:25:54.02
And I think that my
older brother was 19,
00:25:54.05\00:25:57.22
my oldest brother, the
other one was 18, I was 16,
00:25:57.25\00:26:02.59
I think there was
the sense of what next,
00:26:02.62\00:26:04.79
there was no plan B.
00:26:04.83\00:26:06.16
They actually went
out all out with this
00:26:06.19\00:26:08.86
and then what do you do now,
00:26:08.90\00:26:10.50
and I'm not
sure how it hooked up
00:26:10.53\00:26:12.97
with my father's
inward thinking but...
00:26:13.00\00:26:16.47
What did your mother do
00:26:16.50\00:26:18.84
because certainly
without your father
00:26:18.87\00:26:21.61
and your older brother
00:26:21.64\00:26:23.18
you could not
sustain that lifestyle?
00:26:23.21\00:26:25.31
Right, everything was so manual.
00:26:25.35\00:26:27.25
If I were to just
detail the process of just,
00:26:27.28\00:26:30.72
you know, being
able to heat the house
00:26:30.75\00:26:32.09
is all of this
work that involved,
00:26:32.12\00:26:33.76
you know, gathering,
kindling and tearing a paper
00:26:33.79\00:26:35.99
and chopping
wood and laying fires
00:26:36.02\00:26:38.56
in each of the rooms
and, you know, same thing
00:26:38.59\00:26:40.66
if I mention
just simple thing like
00:26:40.70\00:26:42.56
making being able to
pour out glass of soya milk,
00:26:42.60\00:26:45.57
you know, the
process was all manual,
00:26:45.60\00:26:47.27
everything you
have to do, you know,
00:26:47.30\00:26:49.30
soak the beans
overnight, grind them up,
00:26:49.34\00:26:52.34
milk out the milk
00:26:52.37\00:26:55.94
from the beans in
a cheese cloth bag
00:26:55.98\00:26:58.55
and water, boil it on the stove,
00:26:58.58\00:27:00.52
but in order to do that
00:27:00.55\00:27:01.88
you have to have lit a
fire and gather the wood
00:27:01.92\00:27:04.29
and done all
the things for that,
00:27:04.32\00:27:05.72
and then when
you finish doing that
00:27:05.75\00:27:07.79
and finally you boil
it and it finally cools,
00:27:07.82\00:27:11.19
then you can't just go put
00:27:11.23\00:27:12.56
what's left over
in the refrigerator
00:27:12.59\00:27:13.93
'cause there is no refrigerator,
00:27:13.96\00:27:15.30
you know, so you have to can it,
00:27:15.33\00:27:17.97
you know, that kind of thing
00:27:18.00\00:27:19.33
so there was
everything was so manual
00:27:19.37\00:27:22.00
and know we couldn't sustain
00:27:22.04\00:27:23.91
this life without the
help of my father and brothers.
00:27:23.94\00:27:28.94
So we actually wrote a lady
who lived in Orting, Washington
00:27:28.98\00:27:33.38
and we asked if we
could come out there.
00:27:33.42\00:27:35.42
She had been...
00:27:35.45\00:27:37.35
She was also in
the lot of the reforms,
00:27:37.39\00:27:39.32
she had started
wearing a bonnet too,
00:27:39.35\00:27:41.22
but she lived in a
suburban neighborhood
00:27:41.26\00:27:43.49
and so not
knowing where else to go,
00:27:43.53\00:27:45.83
we have to go somewhere,
00:27:45.86\00:27:47.20
it was like can
we just come there
00:27:47.23\00:27:48.56
for a little bit and figure out
00:27:48.60\00:27:49.93
what to do, and
she did welcome us,
00:27:49.96\00:27:54.17
she invited us to come,
00:27:54.20\00:27:55.77
so we end up
taking a great HumBus
00:27:55.80\00:27:57.71
and traveling from Tennesee
00:27:57.74\00:27:59.97
all the way out to
Orting, Washington,
00:28:00.01\00:28:02.24
it was like almost a
three day bus trip and...
00:28:02.28\00:28:05.65
Well, that must have
been just a wake up call,
00:28:05.68\00:28:08.45
just being around
people on the bus.
00:28:08.48\00:28:10.62
It was, actually there was,
00:28:10.65\00:28:13.46
that I remember we
had a six hour layover
00:28:13.49\00:28:15.56
in Chicago at night,
00:28:15.59\00:28:17.69
like we got there at
night from midnight to 6 AM,
00:28:17.73\00:28:21.23
and this was
the old bus terminal
00:28:21.26\00:28:23.83
that they had in Chicago
00:28:23.87\00:28:25.20
which was known for
being irreputable place,
00:28:25.23\00:28:28.84
it was not a good place to be.
00:28:28.87\00:28:30.94
And I, actually
a number of things
00:28:30.97\00:28:33.31
almost happened to me that night
00:28:33.34\00:28:34.68
because I didn't
know what I was facing,
00:28:34.71\00:28:37.05
I didn't know what
I was dealing with,
00:28:37.08\00:28:38.41
I didn't know how to interpret
00:28:38.45\00:28:39.78
the reactions and
actions of people.
00:28:39.81\00:28:42.65
When we lived on the hill,
00:28:42.68\00:28:44.12
we would go, you
know, into the community
00:28:44.15\00:28:47.16
we would go to various
churches and visit sometimes,
00:28:47.19\00:28:50.83
so we had that contact
but it wasn't daily contact.
00:28:50.86\00:28:53.73
I didn't have friends,
00:28:53.76\00:28:55.10
I didn't grow up
around a lot of people
00:28:55.13\00:28:56.80
so a lot of...
00:28:56.83\00:28:58.17
Your social skills were...
00:28:58.20\00:29:01.20
being not just as
far as being polite.
00:29:01.24\00:29:03.94
You know, people usually
00:29:03.97\00:29:05.31
when we think of
social skills, it is...
00:29:05.34\00:29:08.31
that's a matter
of interpretation
00:29:08.34\00:29:10.18
but it's not just about
being polite or charming.
00:29:10.21\00:29:13.62
It's about discernment
and knowing who to avoid
00:29:13.65\00:29:16.85
and being able to
read people to some degree.
00:29:16.89\00:29:21.09
Yes, there was so
much that happened,
00:29:21.12\00:29:22.62
I found out about some of it,
00:29:22.66\00:29:24.03
one lady on the bus
actually befriended us
00:29:24.06\00:29:26.86
and told me the next day
00:29:26.90\00:29:28.26
how pick
pocketer almost nabbed me,
00:29:28.30\00:29:33.47
I know there was a
man that I realized,
00:29:33.50\00:29:36.04
I realized myself
00:29:36.07\00:29:37.41
he was actually
trying to get me to go down
00:29:37.44\00:29:39.91
a certain hallway
and I happened to notice
00:29:39.94\00:29:41.58
just before I
turned down that hall
00:29:41.61\00:29:43.51
that there was
nothing down that hall
00:29:43.55\00:29:45.28
except a exit sign and the door.
00:29:45.31\00:29:47.95
And I realized, you know,
00:29:47.98\00:29:49.45
I could tell there
was something wrong
00:29:49.48\00:29:50.82
with this guy and
so I escape past him,
00:29:50.85\00:29:53.89
ran to the ladies
room and stayed there
00:29:53.92\00:29:55.99
until I could find
the get away from him
00:29:56.02\00:29:57.79
and go back to my
mother and after that...
00:29:57.83\00:29:59.89
When we lived on the
hill, we did a lot of exploring.
00:29:59.93\00:30:02.43
We explored the
woods and the... you know,
00:30:02.46\00:30:04.07
so exploring was
something that I was used to.
00:30:04.10\00:30:06.63
So I was
exploring the bus station,
00:30:06.67\00:30:09.60
but it wasn't the kind of place
00:30:09.64\00:30:11.31
where you could just
do that and do it safely.
00:30:11.34\00:30:14.01
Especially not in the
bonnet and in the long dress
00:30:14.04\00:30:15.98
like a billboard
saying I am as green as...
00:30:16.01\00:30:19.41
Here I am this
woman who don't like...
00:30:19.45\00:30:20.78
I don't know
what I am doing, yeah.
00:30:20.82\00:30:23.82
So you end up
00:30:23.85\00:30:25.19
at this women's
home in Washington.
00:30:25.22\00:30:27.72
How did you
start going to school?
00:30:27.76\00:30:29.69
Were you still home schooled,
what was the transition?
00:30:29.72\00:30:32.56
Um, when we arrived there,
00:30:32.59\00:30:34.73
I didn't know
what I was gonna do
00:30:34.76\00:30:36.10
but one thing that had
been happening in my life...
00:30:36.13\00:30:38.87
I had home
schooled, had kind of evolved
00:30:38.90\00:30:41.60
into just being at
home reading books,
00:30:41.64\00:30:43.87
even my brothers
00:30:43.91\00:30:45.94
weren't attending
home school anymore.
00:30:45.97\00:30:48.31
And so I was just by
myself and I couldn't learn.
00:30:48.34\00:30:51.38
So I had begun to really pray.
00:30:51.41\00:30:53.48
When I was, I just
want to back up for a moment
00:30:53.52\00:30:55.15
and say when I was about 14,
00:30:55.18\00:30:57.05
I did accept Jesus
00:30:57.09\00:30:58.55
as my own
personal individual savior.
00:30:58.59\00:31:01.09
It doesn't mean
00:31:01.12\00:31:02.46
that I wasn't confused by
some of the legalistic black
00:31:02.49\00:31:06.03
and white thinking, I was,
00:31:06.06\00:31:07.86
but I did, the Lord
found a way to reach me
00:31:07.90\00:31:12.03
and I
surrendered my life to him.
00:31:12.07\00:31:14.24
And one of the things I
began to do after that point,
00:31:14.27\00:31:17.61
um, there were
things that happened
00:31:17.64\00:31:19.01
that made me
question some times,
00:31:19.04\00:31:20.48
are we really...
00:31:20.51\00:31:22.68
Is this the way
it's supposed to be.
00:31:22.71\00:31:24.21
Do you ever want to tell
me something different God,
00:31:24.25\00:31:26.41
that kind of thing?
00:31:26.45\00:31:28.42
And so I began to
pray to go to school,
00:31:28.45\00:31:31.19
two things, I want to
learn and I wanted a safe place
00:31:31.22\00:31:34.52
to grow in my
relationship with God
00:31:34.56\00:31:36.46
and know for myself
what He wanted me to do.
00:31:36.49\00:31:38.86
And I knew I
couldn't change at home.
00:31:38.89\00:31:40.80
I couldn't alter anything.
00:31:40.83\00:31:42.83
And so I began
to pray about that,
00:31:42.86\00:31:45.03
and so when I knew
that we were leaving,
00:31:45.07\00:31:48.54
I said to myself,
00:31:48.57\00:31:49.90
I'm not coming back
until I go to school.
00:31:49.94\00:31:51.67
I just knew God
would answer my prayer.
00:31:51.71\00:31:53.54
I didn't know how but I
knew he was answering my prayer.
00:31:53.58\00:31:56.28
So when we got there,
00:31:56.31\00:31:58.98
when she picked us
up at the bus station,
00:31:59.01\00:32:01.12
I asked her in the car
00:32:01.15\00:32:02.52
as soon as we got
our luggage in the car,
00:32:02.55\00:32:04.35
I said to her, do
you know some place
00:32:04.39\00:32:06.32
where I could go to school,
00:32:06.35\00:32:07.69
and I was explaining that
I couldn't go to a regular
00:32:07.72\00:32:11.59
public school or even a
regular Adventist Academy
00:32:11.63\00:32:14.56
because the difference
between me and regular kids
00:32:14.60\00:32:17.63
were was just too
great, but I said,
00:32:17.67\00:32:19.67
I heard of a
school that is small
00:32:19.70\00:32:22.54
and is out in the
country and they work on a farm
00:32:22.57\00:32:26.17
and they wear dresses
00:32:26.21\00:32:27.54
and I want to go to a
place like that, and she said,
00:32:27.58\00:32:30.31
well, you left where
those kind of places are,
00:32:30.35\00:32:33.21
there is one back in Tennessee.
00:32:33.25\00:32:34.98
I think it was Cave Springs
00:32:35.02\00:32:36.35
or something that
used to exist at that time.
00:32:36.38\00:32:38.65
She said you left
where those schools are,
00:32:38.69\00:32:41.36
there is nothing
out here and I was like
00:32:41.39\00:32:43.32
oh, no, God I thought
you were answering my prayer,
00:32:43.36\00:32:46.29
you know, I was...
00:32:46.33\00:32:48.13
But I just
continued to pray, Lord,
00:32:48.16\00:32:50.03
please bless me
with a place to go
00:32:50.07\00:32:51.53
and then she mentioned,
well, there is someone,
00:32:51.57\00:32:53.44
there is a school in Canada.
00:32:53.47\00:32:56.50
she said, think
it's called Fountainview
00:32:56.54\00:32:58.01
and I think they
are kind of like that.
00:32:58.04\00:33:00.28
And she said,
maybe there is a girl
00:33:00.31\00:33:02.48
that I know that will
come to prayer meeting
00:33:02.51\00:33:03.95
on Wednesday night,
00:33:03.98\00:33:05.31
we can ask her about that.
00:33:05.35\00:33:06.68
So from that
first Wednesday night
00:33:06.72\00:33:08.22
after I arrived in
Washington I was on...
00:33:08.25\00:33:12.39
I mean that's what I was
trying to do was find out
00:33:12.42\00:33:14.32
could I go to Fountainview
00:33:14.36\00:33:15.69
because I knew that had to
be the place God prepare for me.
00:33:15.72\00:33:18.29
I knew it because
I've been asking Him
00:33:18.33\00:33:19.89
and I knew He was
answering my prayer.
00:33:19.93\00:33:22.03
There was just no other
way I could have left home,
00:33:22.06\00:33:24.33
except for the circumstances
00:33:24.37\00:33:25.70
and I couldn't have controlled
the circumstances, He did.
00:33:25.73\00:33:27.97
So I believe that
He was opening the door
00:33:28.00\00:33:29.94
for me to go to school.
00:33:29.97\00:33:31.31
So did you go to Fountainview?
00:33:31.34\00:33:34.74
Yeah, I just want to
mention one thing though
00:33:34.78\00:33:36.81
because you asked me about
00:33:36.85\00:33:38.18
adjusting to the normal life.
00:33:38.21\00:33:43.08
The first week
or two I was there,
00:33:43.12\00:33:45.75
I didn't want to
go out the house,
00:33:45.79\00:33:47.29
I'm into this lady's house.
00:33:47.32\00:33:48.66
I didn't want to leave the house
00:33:48.69\00:33:50.83
because it was
strange walking out and other,
00:33:50.86\00:33:54.16
there is houses around
00:33:54.20\00:33:55.53
and people could be
looking out the window at me,
00:33:55.56\00:33:57.00
I mean, just be able to
have somebody look at you
00:33:57.03\00:33:59.13
and you didn't provide for that,
00:33:59.17\00:34:04.07
or you didn't allow
it is just happening,
00:34:04.11\00:34:06.27
that seem like a
violation of privacy
00:34:06.31\00:34:08.14
and everything else.
00:34:08.18\00:34:09.51
It was
something I wasn't used to
00:34:09.54\00:34:10.88
so I stayed in the
indoors as much as possible
00:34:10.91\00:34:13.42
and she finally
pushed me out one day
00:34:13.45\00:34:14.92
and told me go mow the lawn.
00:34:14.95\00:34:17.59
So then I'm
trying to mow the lawn
00:34:17.62\00:34:19.65
and I look up and
I see a car coming
00:34:19.69\00:34:22.56
and I flat, I bolted,
00:34:22.59\00:34:24.63
and hid behind the
house, I mean, just...
00:34:24.66\00:34:26.09
You know, that's interesting
00:34:26.13\00:34:27.46
'cause I never
have heard that before
00:34:27.50\00:34:29.76
and that makes so much sense.
00:34:29.80\00:34:32.93
That makes so much sense.
00:34:32.97\00:34:35.10
We could hear where
we lived on the hill,
00:34:35.14\00:34:37.94
we could hear car as much
as two miles away approaching.
00:34:37.97\00:34:42.31
We knew from
the sound of the car
00:34:42.34\00:34:43.95
who would it be
00:34:43.98\00:34:45.31
if it was someone
that frequented the hill.
00:34:45.35\00:34:46.98
We knew who it was
and if it was a stranger,
00:34:47.02\00:34:49.98
we knew I mean they
couldn't just see us anyway
00:34:50.02\00:34:52.32
from the road
and if we were out,
00:34:52.35\00:34:54.82
sometimes we would be
out exploring, we'd hide.
00:34:54.86\00:34:57.79
You know, you
don't allow yourself
00:34:57.83\00:34:59.16
to be seen unless
you choose to be seen.
00:34:59.19\00:35:01.36
So to have this car
00:35:01.40\00:35:02.73
just come
driving behind causally,
00:35:02.76\00:35:05.50
that was terrifying and I ran
00:35:05.53\00:35:09.24
and I hid and then of course,
00:35:09.27\00:35:12.01
I looked and I
don't see any cars coming
00:35:12.04\00:35:14.18
so I go back out.
00:35:14.21\00:35:15.54
Go back to
pushing the lawn mower,
00:35:15.58\00:35:17.01
this was early
once in the morning.
00:35:17.05\00:35:19.31
And that happened to
glance of my shoulder
00:35:19.35\00:35:22.65
and I saw a car,
00:35:22.68\00:35:24.35
a glimpse of a car
coming toward me from behind.
00:35:24.39\00:35:27.02
I ran and hid
again behind the house.
00:35:27.06\00:35:30.66
Came back out,
00:35:30.69\00:35:32.03
went back to mowing the lawn
00:35:32.06\00:35:33.46
and I look up here
is another car coming.
00:35:33.50\00:35:36.06
And my impulse was to
run but at that moment
00:35:36.10\00:35:38.37
I realized I'll
never get the lawn mowed
00:35:38.40\00:35:41.27
if I keep running.
00:35:41.30\00:35:42.64
So I didn't
00:35:42.67\00:35:44.01
and I called that my
first big real adjustment.
00:35:44.04\00:35:46.44
So how long were you
there before you went to school.
00:35:46.47\00:35:50.38
I think it was
just a month or two,
00:35:50.41\00:35:53.52
I don't remember
it wasn't long weeks,
00:35:53.55\00:35:55.68
not a long time.
00:35:55.72\00:35:57.05
I think it was
just a matter of weeks,
00:35:57.09\00:35:58.42
it might have
been four to six weeks.
00:35:58.45\00:36:01.49
And then I did get
accepted to Fountainview,
00:36:01.52\00:36:03.59
and I actually have a picture,
00:36:03.63\00:36:04.96
one of the
pictures I brought today,
00:36:04.99\00:36:06.33
I have a picture
of me in my bonnet
00:36:06.36\00:36:08.06
and long dress
holding a Bible in my hand,
00:36:08.10\00:36:10.47
and growing up in the hill
00:36:10.50\00:36:12.27
we didn't have
a lot of pictures.
00:36:12.30\00:36:14.74
That was something we
didn't, you know, photography,
00:36:14.77\00:36:18.37
all of that is like idolatry
00:36:18.41\00:36:19.74
when you're taking
pictures of people.
00:36:19.77\00:36:21.91
Fortunately there were
people who came up to visit us
00:36:21.94\00:36:24.25
and they took
pictures so I have some.
00:36:24.28\00:36:27.52
This one I actually
was the first picture
00:36:27.55\00:36:29.62
I think I went and sought for
00:36:29.65\00:36:31.05
because I had to have a
picture for my application.
00:36:31.09\00:36:33.59
And there I am and
I'm 16, going on 17,
00:36:33.62\00:36:37.56
and I want to make sure
they knew I was a Christian
00:36:37.59\00:36:39.33
so I'm holding my Bible
00:36:39.36\00:36:42.56
and I got
accepted to Fountainview.
00:36:42.60\00:36:44.53
So when you were there was...
00:36:44.57\00:36:47.87
Let me ask you this
00:36:47.90\00:36:49.24
because I know a
little bit about her.
00:36:49.27\00:36:53.27
When did you find?
00:36:53.31\00:36:56.78
I was teaching once on
righteousness by faith.
00:36:56.81\00:36:58.91
Let me go back up,
00:36:58.95\00:37:00.28
I was teaching on
righteousness by faith,
00:37:00.32\00:37:03.08
and I was telling people
00:37:03.12\00:37:04.45
that as far as living
a sanctified lifestyle,
00:37:04.49\00:37:07.02
you know, I could put
my hair back in a bun,
00:37:07.06\00:37:10.03
scrub my face
and wear long skirts,
00:37:10.06\00:37:12.36
and I can say that
00:37:12.39\00:37:13.73
because I always do
00:37:13.76\00:37:17.93
wear long skirts,
00:37:17.97\00:37:19.30
you know, I mean
just by choice it's not,
00:37:19.33\00:37:22.07
this is not a
statement of anything,
00:37:22.10\00:37:24.34
I just enjoy long skirts,
00:37:24.37\00:37:26.74
but I've told people,
00:37:26.78\00:37:29.71
you can clean
yourself all up on the outside
00:37:29.74\00:37:32.01
but if you don't have
that personal relationship,
00:37:32.05\00:37:34.58
that's not sanctification.
00:37:34.62\00:37:36.32
You know, it's from the
inside, it's what God does.
00:37:36.35\00:37:39.15
And of course, the writings
00:37:39.19\00:37:41.62
to which you have
referred date back
00:37:41.66\00:37:44.03
to the 19th century
00:37:44.06\00:37:46.19
and are to be taken or
understood in that way,
00:37:46.23\00:37:51.13
I mean, because they also said
00:37:51.17\00:37:54.17
you're not to
dress to set yourself out
00:37:54.20\00:37:57.01
so far apart in other words.
00:37:57.04\00:37:59.21
When did it hit
you, how old were you
00:37:59.24\00:38:01.61
when you finally
started realizing
00:38:01.64\00:38:04.11
that rules without relationship
00:38:04.15\00:38:08.55
isn't what it was all about
00:38:08.58\00:38:10.12
but that it was relationship,
00:38:10.15\00:38:11.89
it was depending on
God, how old were you?
00:38:11.92\00:38:14.82
Well, it was actually
a step by step process
00:38:14.86\00:38:16.89
for me to get there.
00:38:16.93\00:38:18.26
I was, you know, it
wasn't that long ago,
00:38:18.29\00:38:23.50
a decade or so ago
00:38:23.53\00:38:24.87
before I really understood
the rules versus relationship.
00:38:24.90\00:38:27.87
But what I had to be...
00:38:27.90\00:38:30.47
What I needed to break free
00:38:30.51\00:38:32.64
from was a totally
rule based thinking
00:38:32.67\00:38:35.54
because when you
have that mindset,
00:38:35.58\00:38:38.18
it's all about what
is written to the...
00:38:38.21\00:38:40.32
You know, we used to say,
00:38:40.35\00:38:41.68
to the law and to the testimony:
00:38:41.72\00:38:43.05
if they speak not
according to this word,
00:38:43.08\00:38:44.42
there is no light in
them, and that is true,
00:38:44.45\00:38:46.52
and every jot, every twiddle
00:38:46.55\00:38:49.72
was what matter to us.
00:38:49.76\00:38:51.09
If it said it, it
was black and white,
00:38:51.13\00:38:52.83
you do it and
there was no degrees,
00:38:52.86\00:38:55.86
there was no
degrees of anything.
00:38:55.90\00:38:57.43
It was all a
matter of, um, you know,
00:38:57.47\00:39:01.24
to take off my bonnet
00:39:01.27\00:39:03.07
would be just as
bad as to commit murder
00:39:03.10\00:39:06.34
or to act
immorally or anything else.
00:39:06.37\00:39:08.74
There was no degree of anything
and if offend in one point,
00:39:08.78\00:39:11.91
you're guilty of all.
00:39:11.95\00:39:13.38
So that type of thinking made it
00:39:13.42\00:39:15.18
so that unless I was living
in that isolated lifestyle,
00:39:15.22\00:39:18.72
you know, in a setting
that was prepared for us
00:39:18.75\00:39:21.22
to be able to
function like this,
00:39:21.26\00:39:23.19
then you're
giving up everything.
00:39:23.22\00:39:25.16
And how to do you function
00:39:25.19\00:39:26.70
when you have to leave
an environment like that.
00:39:26.73\00:39:29.70
You know that's why
I wanted to go to place
00:39:29.73\00:39:31.10
where I can at
least possibly transition,
00:39:31.13\00:39:33.44
but I didn't know
00:39:33.47\00:39:34.80
whether I could take off
my bonnet or shorten my dress
00:39:34.84\00:39:36.87
or do anything other than
00:39:36.91\00:39:38.31
and we kept new moons
and feast days as well.
00:39:38.34\00:39:40.44
So here I am taking
off time from school
00:39:40.48\00:39:42.48
because this is the
new moon or the feast day,
00:39:42.51\00:39:44.61
then I have to keep
the Sabbath type thing,
00:39:44.65\00:39:46.82
so all of that was on the table
like do I give up anything God,
00:39:46.85\00:39:51.75
and it was actually the
principle of that school.
00:39:51.79\00:39:55.02
She had gone through an
experience a year before
00:39:55.06\00:39:57.59
where she actually
had shortened her dress
00:39:57.63\00:39:59.63
to just below the knee
00:39:59.66\00:40:01.26
and allow the
girls at the school
00:40:01.30\00:40:02.80
to do the same thing.
00:40:02.83\00:40:04.20
And she understood well,
00:40:04.23\00:40:06.40
my challenge was
self righteousness
00:40:06.43\00:40:08.37
and all base
thinking and all that.
00:40:08.40\00:40:10.24
She was the one that
was able to help me learn
00:40:10.27\00:40:12.41
something new
which was principles.
00:40:12.44\00:40:15.18
Praise God.
00:40:15.21\00:40:16.54
And I had never understood
00:40:16.58\00:40:18.25
that there are
broad underlying truths
00:40:18.28\00:40:21.98
that don't change.
00:40:22.02\00:40:23.35
Even though laws and
rules that govern every day
00:40:23.39\00:40:25.95
can change with
time and circumstance,
00:40:25.99\00:40:27.86
principles do not.
00:40:27.89\00:40:30.29
So we got to fast forward
00:40:30.33\00:40:32.23
'cause I just notice
how much time we have.
00:40:32.26\00:40:35.93
You've written a book and
I'm so glad that you have,
00:40:35.96\00:40:40.77
you got PhD now
in communication.
00:40:40.80\00:40:44.01
You have written a
book entitled Born Yesterday
00:40:44.04\00:40:47.38
and subtitle says
the true story of a girl
00:40:47.41\00:40:50.48
born in the 20th
century but raised in the 19th.
00:40:50.51\00:40:55.48
Why other than me
telling you to do this.
00:40:55.52\00:41:00.52
For what purpose, or
what did you hope to achieve
00:41:00.56\00:41:04.53
by writing the book?
00:41:04.56\00:41:06.66
That's an
excellent question, um,
00:41:06.70\00:41:08.90
I think I knew for
00:41:08.93\00:41:11.27
from probably that
00:41:11.30\00:41:13.17
after I got to college
and sometime after that
00:41:13.20\00:41:16.57
that I had a unseal story,
00:41:16.60\00:41:18.44
and I remember finally
learning about Oprah Winfrey
00:41:18.47\00:41:21.94
and I thought, wow, this could,
00:41:21.98\00:41:23.65
you know, if I
wrote her about my life,
00:41:23.68\00:41:25.78
maybe I could get on a show.
00:41:25.81\00:41:27.15
I remember
actually thinking that.
00:41:27.18\00:41:28.52
And then I realized it dawned
on me, actually I was about 30,
00:41:28.55\00:41:32.15
it wasn't when I was in
college, it was later on.
00:41:32.19\00:41:34.16
I was about 30 when
it first occurred to me,
00:41:34.19\00:41:35.96
maybe I should
write Oprah Winfrey
00:41:35.99\00:41:37.59
see if I can get on her show,
00:41:37.63\00:41:38.96
and my motivation was I needed,
00:41:38.99\00:41:40.33
I was just trying to find
someway to make some money.
00:41:40.36\00:41:42.93
Now you were married,
were you not at this point?
00:41:42.96\00:41:44.97
I was divorced.
00:41:45.00\00:41:46.33
Married and divorced...
00:41:46.37\00:41:47.70
At what age did you marry?
00:41:47.74\00:41:49.07
I was 24 when I married.
00:41:49.10\00:41:50.54
And was he also a...
00:41:50.57\00:41:53.44
Did he have an
imbalanced religion as well?
00:41:53.48\00:41:57.78
He had many
challenges in his life
00:41:57.81\00:41:59.41
related to imbalance, um,
00:41:59.45\00:42:03.08
from my viewpoint,
00:42:03.12\00:42:04.52
he was not imbalance
because of how I grew up
00:42:04.55\00:42:06.99
so anything was much more
stable and normal than that.
00:42:07.02\00:42:09.72
But I think we all,
00:42:09.76\00:42:11.29
a lot of us
struggle with extremes
00:42:11.33\00:42:14.03
and with things like that
00:42:14.06\00:42:16.10
and so he had a lot of things
that he was struggling with
00:42:16.13\00:42:18.13
and I was in a
position to understand that,
00:42:18.17\00:42:21.30
to see that, to help with that
and the marriage did not last.
00:42:21.34\00:42:25.57
I was married for just
four years on the book,
00:42:25.61\00:42:28.64
we were together for three
00:42:28.68\00:42:30.18
and I ended up being a
single mom with two children.
00:42:30.21\00:42:33.52
And when I found myself single,
I had a two and half month old,
00:42:33.55\00:42:37.59
and a two and half year old.
00:42:37.62\00:42:39.29
It was a rough time of
life, and all of those things
00:42:39.32\00:42:42.16
that happened actually
helped me to get to the place
00:42:42.19\00:42:44.06
where eventually relationship
00:42:44.09\00:42:46.70
based understanding
was able to develop.
00:42:46.73\00:42:50.07
But it was through the
pain and heartbreak of life
00:42:50.10\00:42:53.27
that I began to finally learn
00:42:53.30\00:42:54.87
because a law and
a rule won't help you
00:42:54.90\00:42:57.07
and even a principle
won't fix this for you.
00:42:57.11\00:42:59.57
You have to have relationship
with Jesus to get through.
00:42:59.61\00:43:02.84
Let me ask you a
question, Rachel?
00:43:02.88\00:43:05.15
Your book is
filled with your story,
00:43:05.18\00:43:09.38
you're great
storyteller, so these are,
00:43:09.42\00:43:11.22
it's your story of your life.
00:43:11.25\00:43:13.19
You share some principles
and lessons along the way
00:43:13.22\00:43:17.13
but you don't explicate those.
00:43:17.16\00:43:19.26
It's not like...
00:43:19.29\00:43:22.53
Is that the reason why
00:43:22.56\00:43:24.50
is because it
wasn't the principles,
00:43:24.53\00:43:28.17
or it wasn't the black and white
00:43:28.20\00:43:31.37
that got you through
00:43:31.41\00:43:32.74
but when you finally got
to that point of knowing,
00:43:32.77\00:43:37.05
it's just a
principle, is that what helped?
00:43:37.08\00:43:40.55
Um, first of all I wanted to...
00:43:40.58\00:43:44.02
One of the reasons
why I wrote the book
00:43:44.05\00:43:45.52
was realizing
that there are people
00:43:45.55\00:43:46.99
who have been
wounded by bad religion,
00:43:47.02\00:43:48.89
extreme religion,
too much religion.
00:43:48.92\00:43:50.83
Maybe they weren't
taking an isolation
00:43:50.86\00:43:53.06
and kept away from people
00:43:53.09\00:43:54.53
and raise with
some of the extremes
00:43:54.56\00:43:55.90
that I was raised with.
00:43:55.93\00:43:57.27
But the ideological extremes
00:43:57.30\00:44:00.17
can exist even in
everyday normal life.
00:44:00.20\00:44:02.87
And I realize there are people
00:44:02.90\00:44:04.24
that have been wounded
with religion in this way
00:44:04.27\00:44:07.31
and some of them have on
a relational personal basis
00:44:07.34\00:44:12.01
turned away from God.
00:44:12.05\00:44:13.72
And I wanted in sharing
my story for them to see,
00:44:13.75\00:44:16.82
be able to see the hand of God,
00:44:16.85\00:44:18.52
leading me through all of that
00:44:18.55\00:44:20.32
back to His heart
00:44:20.36\00:44:21.69
so that I could
perceive His heart,
00:44:21.72\00:44:23.49
I can know His heart
00:44:23.53\00:44:24.89
and I could be
a living testimony
00:44:24.93\00:44:27.83
of His goodness, of His grace.
00:44:27.86\00:44:29.43
So that was my motivation,
actually I was saying earlier
00:44:29.46\00:44:31.97
that originally I wanted
to just tell this novel story
00:44:32.00\00:44:34.60
but then I couldn't
answer the question as to why.
00:44:34.64\00:44:36.87
I had no answer
for and then what,
00:44:36.91\00:44:39.94
after I told the
story and I decided
00:44:39.97\00:44:41.48
I would never do
it until such time
00:44:41.51\00:44:43.91
as I could answer that question
00:44:43.95\00:44:45.28
and there was a greater purpose.
00:44:45.31\00:44:46.82
So finally overtime as
I developed a relationship
00:44:46.85\00:44:52.55
based understanding and
daily walk with the Lord,
00:44:52.59\00:44:56.79
it was through that
He worked in my life
00:44:56.83\00:44:59.33
to write this story
and now I have a purpose
00:44:59.36\00:45:01.80
that goes beyond just
simply the novelty of sharing
00:45:01.83\00:45:04.83
an unusual background.
00:45:04.87\00:45:06.63
Did you find that it
was more than cathartic
00:45:06.67\00:45:10.37
but that it was
empowering to write the story.
00:45:10.41\00:45:14.34
Yes, it was. It was.
00:45:14.38\00:45:18.75
I really in a way that
I couldn't have expected,
00:45:18.78\00:45:23.12
I had already dealt
with an unusual background
00:45:23.15\00:45:26.15
when I was writing my
doctoral dissertation.
00:45:26.19\00:45:29.22
I found out that I could use it
00:45:29.26\00:45:30.59
as a basis for
research unbelievably,
00:45:30.63\00:45:33.29
and so I actually did a study
00:45:33.33\00:45:35.40
on adjusting from
isolated religious culture
00:45:35.43\00:45:38.87
to the mainstream culture
00:45:38.90\00:45:40.87
and that process,
00:45:40.90\00:45:42.24
I wrote a lot of
some of the narratives,
00:45:42.27\00:45:44.47
um, that ended in my
book, in my dissertation,
00:45:44.51\00:45:47.78
and that process
was very cathartic,
00:45:47.81\00:45:49.81
but what happened
when I wrote my book
00:45:49.84\00:45:52.05
was something I
could not have expected,
00:45:52.08\00:45:53.75
it was something
beyond catharsis,
00:45:53.78\00:45:55.55
I had already gone through that.
00:45:55.58\00:45:57.55
What I had always
perceived about my life
00:45:57.59\00:46:00.12
is that it was a
collection of individual,
00:46:00.16\00:46:05.49
unattached, broken
interrupted pieces.
00:46:05.53\00:46:09.06
And I actually was
going to name the book
00:46:09.10\00:46:10.90
originally
something like the patch work
00:46:10.93\00:46:13.54
and I wasn't sure it
would be patch work quilt
00:46:13.57\00:46:15.17
or patch work stories,
00:46:15.20\00:46:17.11
and the original
version of the book
00:46:17.14\00:46:18.57
actually starts out saying
00:46:18.61\00:46:20.14
that my life is a
collection of unrelated pieces.
00:46:20.18\00:46:24.58
That's what I
started out writing.
00:46:24.61\00:46:27.52
It was not until as
everyday as I would write,
00:46:27.55\00:46:31.85
I would ask God to
please show me what to write
00:46:31.89\00:46:33.96
and I will work to
this process of weaving out
00:46:33.99\00:46:36.56
one tale or another,
00:46:36.59\00:46:37.93
it was a lot of
individual pieces
00:46:37.96\00:46:40.73
and then began
to put it together
00:46:40.76\00:46:42.26
with rough chronological,
you know, order to it.
00:46:42.30\00:46:46.60
It was actually not until I
was writing the last chapter
00:46:46.63\00:46:50.41
that it all really
began to come together
00:46:50.44\00:46:54.08
and I realize that
my life had a plot,
00:46:54.11\00:46:57.11
like it had been planned
and that was amazing to me.
00:46:57.15\00:47:00.55
Praise God.
00:47:00.58\00:47:01.92
That was something I
could not have realize
00:47:01.95\00:47:05.52
what happened or
predicted or anything
00:47:05.55\00:47:07.62
and that was my surprise
00:47:07.66\00:47:08.99
as I began to
finish up this book,
00:47:09.02\00:47:12.33
and I actually had to go back
00:47:12.36\00:47:13.70
and write about some low points,
00:47:13.73\00:47:15.16
and once I did that and
I was almost to the last...
00:47:15.20\00:47:17.73
I was at the last
chapter but couldn't finish it
00:47:17.77\00:47:20.27
and I had to go back, a
friend of mine encouraged me
00:47:20.30\00:47:22.20
to go back and write
about some of the low points,
00:47:22.24\00:47:24.01
write about some of the things
00:47:24.04\00:47:25.54
that I really
would have preferred
00:47:25.57\00:47:27.38
not to put in there but
he told me, you know, what,
00:47:27.41\00:47:29.91
no one can appreciate the Joseph
00:47:29.94\00:47:31.98
ascended to the palace
00:47:32.01\00:47:33.62
unless they
understand he came from the pit.
00:47:33.65\00:47:36.08
Unless they know
about the prison,
00:47:36.12\00:47:37.89
they can't understand, you know,
00:47:37.92\00:47:40.16
the glory of him getting to
the second command in Egypt,
00:47:40.19\00:47:43.83
and realizing that's
something God had done.
00:47:43.86\00:47:46.43
You've got to share
where God has brought you from
00:47:46.46\00:47:48.60
and the experiences in
life that have happened
00:47:48.63\00:47:51.17
that have hurt and disappointed
and where you failed
00:47:51.20\00:47:54.90
and if you do
that, God will bless you,
00:47:54.94\00:47:57.47
and his first
blessing as soon as I did that,
00:47:57.51\00:47:59.84
as I went to
finish the last chapter,
00:47:59.87\00:48:02.24
it began to all
fall together in my head
00:48:02.28\00:48:04.85
and I realize that my
life had a plot to it.
00:48:04.88\00:48:07.75
Not just a collection of things.
00:48:07.78\00:48:09.88
Okay so you have...
00:48:09.92\00:48:13.76
You're married,
you have two children
00:48:13.79\00:48:16.69
when you are first married,
your husband has two children.
00:48:16.73\00:48:19.59
So you are the
mother of four children,
00:48:19.63\00:48:21.23
you've actually worked
and received your doctorate,
00:48:21.26\00:48:25.63
God has taken
you to amazing places
00:48:25.67\00:48:28.37
but you say in the book
that the story continues,
00:48:28.40\00:48:32.87
what's happened to you
since you wrote the book
00:48:32.91\00:48:35.71
and the title of the
book is Born Yesterday.
00:48:35.74\00:48:37.95
What's happened
to you since, Rachel?
00:48:37.98\00:48:40.98
Well, most recently
about it almost a year ago now,
00:48:41.02\00:48:44.69
in January I had a
sun onset of blindness
00:48:44.72\00:48:47.82
and then challenges with walking
00:48:47.86\00:48:49.39
and so I recovered from that,
00:48:49.42\00:48:51.63
it turns out I
have multiple sclerosis.
00:48:51.66\00:48:52.99
Oh, bless you.
00:48:53.03\00:48:54.36
And as far as I'm
concerned what that's about
00:48:54.40\00:48:56.06
is teaching me that my strength.
00:48:56.10\00:48:58.97
I can't depend on it
but God's strength is there.
00:48:59.00\00:49:01.80
His strength is made
perfect in my weakness
00:49:01.84\00:49:03.71
and that's what He
is teaching me everyday.
00:49:03.74\00:49:05.21
Amen.
00:49:05.24\00:49:06.57
And I know that we're
out, nearly out of times
00:49:06.61\00:49:08.38
but I do know there is a
lot more things going on,
00:49:08.41\00:49:10.65
so I think we can
expect another wonderful book
00:49:10.68\00:49:13.45
from you sometime
in the near feature.
00:49:13.48\00:49:15.65
What we would like to do Rachel
brought a trailer on her book,
00:49:15.68\00:49:19.92
we'd like to show
that to you just now.
00:49:19.95\00:49:24.49
If my life were a movie,
00:49:24.53\00:49:27.73
no one would believe it.
00:49:27.76\00:49:29.16
When I was just six years old,
00:49:38.77\00:49:41.34
my parents began to separate
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from society as they follow
00:49:43.81\00:49:45.71
their every increasingly
strict religious views.
00:49:45.75\00:49:50.69
We ended up living
on 50 acres in Tennessee
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on abandoned
hilltop in an old house.
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Isolated from other
people and without electricity,
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running water,
television, telephones.
00:50:02.46\00:50:05.77
When my brother was horribly
burnt in a gasoline fire,
00:50:05.80\00:50:10.01
we didn't take
him to the hospital,
00:50:10.04\00:50:11.74
we handled all of
our own problems at home.
00:50:11.77\00:50:15.44
I was home schooled,
we grew our own food,
00:50:15.48\00:50:18.01
we made our own clothes
00:50:18.05\00:50:20.12
and we lived in this way
00:50:20.15\00:50:22.25
while we waited for the
world to come to an end.
00:50:22.28\00:50:27.56
When I was 16,
00:50:27.59\00:50:29.39
I found myself
forced to live in a world
00:50:29.42\00:50:31.33
that I was not
prepared to living.
00:50:31.36\00:50:33.53
I ran from passing cars,
when I was asked to mow a lawn,
00:50:33.56\00:50:38.23
I did know anything
about shampoo and conditioner,
00:50:38.27\00:50:42.10
or how to strand my hair
00:50:42.14\00:50:43.97
when I finally
took off the bonnet,
00:50:44.01\00:50:46.21
and I struggled with school
00:50:46.24\00:50:48.14
and with regular
socio-cultural norms.
00:50:48.18\00:50:51.75
And I didn't
know a lot about guys,
00:50:51.78\00:50:54.22
so I ended up marrying
the first man that I dated
00:50:54.25\00:50:58.15
and when that was shattered
on the rocks of divorce,
00:50:58.19\00:51:01.06
I went through
heartache, confusion, pain
00:51:01.09\00:51:05.96
and to wonder if I
had been abandoned by God
00:51:05.99\00:51:10.37
but He never abandoned me.
00:51:10.40\00:51:12.50
Born Yesterday is a testimony
00:51:21.81\00:51:24.01
of God's faithful
restorative loving care
00:51:24.05\00:51:27.32
and what I hope for
when you read this book,
00:51:27.35\00:51:29.92
I hope you find in
its pages a testimony,
00:51:29.95\00:51:33.96
the story that will inspire
you to discover in your own life
00:51:33.99\00:51:38.03
how God always is
working together for your good,
00:51:38.06\00:51:43.13
to make you whole, to
restore and to heal you.
00:51:43.16\00:51:47.80
It's a marvelous book
00:52:01.48\00:52:02.82
and I know
you'll enjoy reading it.
00:52:02.85\00:52:04.35
Rachel also come out
to churches and speaks.
00:52:04.39\00:52:06.92
If you'd like to
get in touch with her,
00:52:06.96\00:52:09.22
here is the information.
00:52:09.26\00:52:10.63
If you would like to know
00:52:13.86\00:52:15.20
how to get a copy of
the book Born Yesterday,
00:52:15.23\00:52:18.37
or if you'd like
to contact Rachel,
00:52:18.40\00:52:20.74
you can do so by
writing Rachel William Smith,
00:52:20.77\00:52:24.41
PO Box 134, Berrien
Springs, Michigan 49104.
00:52:24.44\00:52:30.11
That's Rachel William Smith,
00:52:30.15\00:52:32.31
PO Box 134,
00:52:32.35\00:52:34.78
Berrien Springs, Michigan 49104.
00:52:34.82\00:52:38.45
You may also call 269-588-0671.
00:52:38.49\00:52:44.99
That's 269-588-0671.
00:52:45.03\00:52:49.50
Or order the book online
at RachelWilliamsSmith.com.
00:52:49.53\00:52:54.27
That's RachelWilliamsSmith.com.
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