Participants: CA Murray (Host), Shelley Quinn (Host), DJ and Jodi Knott, Alexis Abrahantes, Gary & Marilyn Carpenter
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY016071A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:11 I wanna spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I wanna spend my life 00:39 Mending broken people 00:45 I wanna spend my life 00:50 Mending broken people. 01:08 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:10 My name is C A Murray 01:11 and allow me once again to thank you 01:13 for sharing just a little of your day with us. 01:15 To thank you for your love, your prayers, 01:17 your support of this ministry 01:19 Three Angels Broadcasting Network. 01:22 This program is very special 01:23 because it is the second of two programs that, 01:27 Future of Ministries that 01:28 we had a chance to interview and talk with, 01:30 from ASI and Phoenix, Arizona, 2016. 01:34 And as we always say, 01:36 it is our privilege and pleasure to go to ASI. 01:39 One, because 01:40 we get to meet friends of this ministry 01:41 and two, because 01:43 we get to make friends of other ministries 01:45 and then bring that information to you 01:47 so that you can be aware 01:49 of the really constellation of ministries 01:51 that are doing great work for the Lord, 01:53 so you can be aware what they're doing 01:55 and then put them on your prayer list, 01:57 pray for them and support that they are doing, 01:59 the work that they are doing 02:00 in lifting up the cause of Jesus. 02:02 So ASI 2016, Shelley Quinn had a chance 02:05 to meet and speak with David and Jodi Knott. 02:08 Their ministry is Gospel Mission Aviation. 02:12 David and Jodi met at Andrews University 02:14 and had a desire to do mission work 02:16 and it's nice when you can meet somebody, 02:17 befriend somebody, love somebody 02:19 who has the same mission desire that you have. 02:22 They went to Bolivia on a student mission trip 02:25 and they both loved it. 02:26 They were married right after school 02:28 and decided to go back to Bolivia 02:31 to do their mission service and their mission work. 02:33 They bring free medical help to the villages, 02:36 they drive ten hours through the mountains 02:39 and then they hike about three to four hours 02:42 to get into the villages. 02:43 So this work is a sacrificial work. 02:46 This work is something that they're doing 02:48 because the love of Christ is in their hearts 02:50 and they have both been called to serve the Lord in Bolivia 02:54 and on the mission field. 02:56 Shelley Quinn, David and Jodi Knott. 03:02 Again we're coming to you from the booth, 03:04 set on the convention floor of ASI 03:07 and we have two very special young people with us right now. 03:11 And that would be DJ and Jodi Knott. 03:14 Their ministry is Gospel Mission Aviation. 03:18 Welcome to 3ABN. Thank you. 03:20 Now you all are obviously quite young, 03:23 look very young than me. 03:26 Tell us a little bit about 03:29 how the two of you came together 03:31 and how you ended up ministering in Bolivia? 03:37 Well, we met at Andrews. Okay. 03:39 It's a good place to start. That's a great place to start. 03:42 And on... 03:43 Jodi's a missionary kid, 03:46 which we find a lot of them in the mission field. 03:49 And always had a dream to serve God overseas 03:53 and I really didn't think there were opportunities 03:56 for my skill set 04:00 but God set opening doors so... 04:02 Amen. 04:03 Now you got your... 04:05 You started flying when you were 14 years old. 04:07 I did. 04:09 So when did God put it in your heart 04:10 that you would be a missionary pilot? 04:13 My dad planting the seed, 04:15 he was a student missionary in Borneo 04:17 and he lived with the mission pilot so he... 04:19 In aviation they say, 04:20 you get bit the bug so he got me infected 04:24 and I went to Andrews kind of with that 04:27 in the back of my mind 04:28 but always wanted to be a Bush pilot in Alaska 04:30 'cause I didn't think mission pilots existed anymore. 04:34 So you ended up going to... 04:37 As a student missionary to Bolivia. 04:39 I did. I did. 04:40 And you were just immediately attracted to the people. 04:42 Tell us a little about Bolivia? 04:44 Bolivia is an interesting country. 04:46 I worked in the lowlands as a student missionary, 04:48 in the jungle. 04:50 And about half of the country is high altitude, 04:52 about half is low. 04:53 And the high altitude is very high, 04:55 it's, you know, anything in these mountains. 04:57 And I'd be flying back in forth in the lowlands 05:00 looking at those snow covered peaks 05:02 and wondering like... 05:03 And hearing stories, you know, 05:05 of villages that took or three days 05:07 to reach by donkey 05:08 and fascinating things like this. 05:10 I always wanted to go in the mountains. 05:12 Okay. 05:13 So you are married after you graduated, 05:15 is that correct, Jodi? 05:16 Yeah. 05:18 And then how long was it 05:19 before you actually moved to Bolivia? 05:22 Well, we were in several different countries 05:26 working with another non-profit 05:28 before we went with Gospel Mission Aviation 05:30 to Bolivia about two years ago. 05:33 And so we went... 05:35 Right after I graduated, you know, 05:36 a month after but then we were 05:38 bouncing back and forth around 05:40 various countries in South America 05:41 before we actually went to the highlands of Bolivia 05:44 like we had always wanted to. 05:46 Okay, now you're living in Cochabamba which is... 05:49 Is it fairly modern there, it's about two million people? 05:52 Yes, fairly modern city. 05:53 But now where are you ministering 05:55 and tell us a little about the people 05:58 to whom you're ministering? 06:00 Okay. 06:01 We're ministering in an area between La Paz and Cochabamba 06:04 which are two big cities 06:05 but in between are just mountains, 06:07 there's very few roads. 06:09 The people are... 06:11 They still live a traditional life with a... 06:13 They're shepherds and subsistence farmers. 06:18 And a lot of them dressed with the native dress still, 06:22 wear funny hats and... 06:24 Yes. 06:25 They're really wonderful people and they, 06:27 a lot of them still speak the, 06:29 like Ankan languages and Quechua, 06:32 Aymara and it's just a fascinating area for us. 06:37 And what is the practicing religion there right now, 06:40 do they, are they like pagan or...? 06:43 Yeah, it's a mix of pagan and like old Catholic roots, 06:47 they don't really practice any more. 06:50 And so is it animistic 06:52 or tell us a little bit about the people? 06:54 Yeah, they believe in spirits 06:56 and but it's not per se as active 06:59 as like in the jungle areas. 07:02 But yeah, they believe in mother earth 07:04 and making sacrifices to things and... 07:07 And what's the name for mother earth religion? 07:09 Pachamama. 07:11 Pachamama. Okay, Pachamama. 07:13 So they desperately need to hear the gospel 07:16 but there's something else 07:17 that they need and that is medical health. 07:20 Yeah, 07:21 So what are you doing now in Bolivia? 07:24 We're bringing medical volunteers into these areas 07:28 and bringing free medical help. 07:31 These people don't have any way to pay for medical help 07:33 and they don't have any access to it. 07:36 And so what are you doing with these, 07:38 do you take up medical supplies 07:40 or tell us about how you get there, 07:42 what you're doing? 07:43 Well, we take our jeep from, 07:48 Toyota Link is our jeep, 07:50 from Cochabamba and drive about 10 hours into the mountains, 07:54 on dirt road side of a mountain and we get there 07:57 and we leave the jeep in a village 07:59 and begin to hike, the next day usually. 08:02 And we hike anywhere from 08:03 three to five hours into a village 08:05 and each village is quite small, 08:08 sometimes there will only be three families, 08:10 sometimes there might be ten families 08:13 and because of their shepherding. 08:15 So then we go and we hike in there 08:17 and one of the families will host us for the night 08:19 and cook us great potato soup 08:22 and give us a nice sheep skin to sleep on. 08:26 And then we go may be then... 08:28 See whoever needs help in that village 08:29 and then go the next day to the next village. 08:31 And so we see several villages 08:33 and then come back to the jeep and drive home. 08:35 So there are hospitable people 08:37 'cause they're not expecting you 08:38 and you just show up and they're going to host you. 08:41 They are the kind of a warm people, aren't they? 08:43 They very much are and there's no communication 08:46 and there are no cell phones or anything 08:48 so, actually that's one of our biggest challenges, 08:50 is trying to tell them we're coming, 08:52 often times we just show up 08:54 and they take us in and it's been... 08:56 And we found that the most, 08:57 the people who have the least are often the most generous. 09:01 That is absolutely true. 09:03 I think that's true throughout the world. 09:06 We've seen and heard that. 09:07 Now so your dream is right now, you don't have an aeroplane. 09:12 No. 09:13 So it's a little difficult to finding 09:15 volunteer medical professionals 09:18 who are willing to drive a day, 09:21 hike another day 09:22 and have that much time to spend. 09:24 Who are you taking up now, medical professional wise? 09:28 We've had one nurse from the States 09:30 who helped us kind to get started. 09:32 He had experience with that kind of thing. 09:33 Okay. 09:34 But so far we've had Bolivian medical volunteers 09:37 and we've been really blessed, they've been great. 09:40 And, you know, they go out there and suffer 09:44 and never complain and they're just awesome. 09:47 They're Adventists and, you know, 09:49 they just have a real heart to serve the Lord 09:52 and there's a lot more who want to participate 09:54 but just you don't have the time 09:56 that it takes to get to these places, 09:58 can't take that much time off. 10:00 So your goal obviously, 10:02 you're number one goal is to get an aeroplane. 10:05 What would that cost you? 10:07 It would cost about $200,000. 10:09 And that's including all of the duties and things... 10:12 That's yeah, the whole program to have it there operational. 10:15 Okay. Okay. 10:16 And then what you... 10:18 I know that you're not just interested in them 10:21 and of course, you're doing what Jesus did 10:24 and that is you meet the people's medical needs 10:28 or physical needs and then you are also, 10:31 once you've got, gained their trust, 10:34 then you're trying to teach them 10:35 the gospel of Jesus Christ. 10:38 So one of your long term goals 10:40 and we hope it becomes a short term goal, 10:42 is to end up supplying 10:44 Bible workers to help the pastors. 10:47 Tell us about the pastors in this area 10:49 and you won't believe 10:51 what type of responsibility these pastors have. 10:56 How many churches 10:57 do most pastors have in the area? 10:59 The pastors that work in the remote areas 11:02 such as in the mountains where we are working, 11:05 they have somewhere around 30 churches. 11:07 Unbelievable. 11:08 So they don't have their own transportation either, 11:11 so it's very challenging to get to each of the churches 11:14 even once a year. 11:17 And so you're looking for Bible workers 11:19 to help these pastors. 11:21 Yeah, or even if we had the aeroplane 11:23 we could transport the pastors to their remotest churches 11:27 and be able to take them there for a weekend 11:29 and bring them back 11:31 and in that way also be very supportive of the church, 11:34 the local church that's there. 11:36 So you grew up basically in the mission field. 11:40 You were bitten by the mission bug 11:43 and having spent time down there, 11:44 what is it like, 11:46 how long have you been in Bolivia now? 11:48 About a year and a half we've been... 11:50 Okay, as a couple I should say. 11:52 Yeah, since we started this new project 11:53 in the highlands about a year and a half. 11:55 Okay, Okay. 11:56 And what has been your greatest challenge? 11:59 And what has been your greatest blessing? 12:01 Well, the challenge... 12:03 Easy for me to answer that one. 12:05 Finding these places. 12:07 How do you find a place that has no road access, 12:10 we started with a jeep and we're thankful for that 12:13 but that only gets you to the end of the road 12:16 and we're looking for places beyond the end of the road. 12:18 Plus the... 12:19 So you're searching out these villages, 12:21 you don't even know where they are. 12:22 We have... I mean, Google Earth 12:24 and like, I mean, 12:25 we're pulling every string we can to find these places, 12:27 any kind of networking we can do 12:29 and even still we have the challenge 12:32 of overcoming the people's fears 12:33 'cause they've been taken advantage 12:35 of many times by mining companies 12:37 and there's even been armed violence 12:39 in the area and so, over mining disputes. 12:43 And the people are very nervous by outsiders. 12:46 So to get in there was a huge challenge. 12:49 Huge. 12:50 We're super thankful that we have a small area now, 12:54 that's kind of open to us. 12:56 And we're hoping that will expand and grow 12:58 as people hear what we're doing 12:59 and they say, "Hey, we want that in our village." 13:01 Yes, amen. 13:02 So what's been your greatest blessing? 13:04 Have you seen God working miracles on your behalf? 13:07 And tell us a few. 13:10 Divine appointments is what I would say. 13:12 Really the divine appointment to find the first village, 13:16 DJ and there's the volunteer nurse 13:18 from the States went into a village by themselves. 13:21 And we're kind of cast out, 13:24 they were put in a dark room and said, 13:26 "You can't be here 13:28 and we're gonna finish our meeting 13:29 and then we're gonna kick you out basically." 13:31 And several people came in to investigate and interrogate 13:34 but finally one person actually believed their story 13:37 and the reason was, he said, 13:39 "Well, because you're Adventist. 13:40 I went to an Adventist primary school 13:43 40 years ago run by missionaries 13:46 and it's no longer in operation but..." 13:48 He said, "I want you to come to my village, 13:50 I've been wanting to get back to the Lord." 13:52 And so from that opportunity 13:54 we're also able to make more connections and yeah, 13:59 be able to just reach these people. 14:01 For me the greatest blessing is just being with the people. 14:04 They're just wonderful and sometimes they say, 14:07 "Why do you have to leave, like can't you stay longer." 14:09 Oh, how precious. 14:10 And just come and watch my sheep with me 14:12 and I think that's so... 14:15 It's so gratifying and so makes me, 14:17 just brings me so much to it. 14:19 Now how long, when you're with these people 14:22 and once you've gained their trust, 14:24 how long does it take you to where you can really start 14:26 talking about the Lord or do they obviously, 14:29 just know they're something different 14:30 and wanna know why you're there? 14:33 Well, we pray with everybody we treat but... 14:38 I say we're the doctors and volunteers, 14:42 we pray with them sometimes, 14:43 we sing with them and we talk to them 14:45 but some of them are just more open than others 14:49 because of their background and some of them right away 14:51 they're asking you like, 14:53 "hey, I want to be a Christian and, you know, 14:56 can we have a church in this village. 14:59 I want to be part of getting it started 15:01 and I want the Lord in my life, 15:03 you know, I'm sacred of the spirits, 15:06 you know, 15:07 I've had lightning kill my sheep 15:08 and stuff like...," 15:10 things like this and it's just... 15:11 It opens doors right away. Amen. 15:12 So the Lord just kinda makes us... 15:15 Sounds like He's making a level path for your feet. 15:17 He want you arrive. 15:20 And then the aeroplane would help make a level path 15:22 for the transportation. 15:24 It would also help us, 15:26 some of the people we really can't help 15:28 because we'd have to take them to the city 15:29 for treatment and we have no way to do that. 15:32 If somebody's too weak to walk out, 15:34 there's really nothing we can do. 15:36 If it's nothing, we can treat there. 15:37 So we only have just about a minute left. 15:39 So if somebody is interested, 15:42 if you're watching now 15:44 and the Holy Spirit's impressing you saying, 15:45 "Hey, I'd like to go down and help." 15:47 Can you receive groups from the United States 15:50 and right now you have to understand, 15:51 you would be hiking 15:53 because we don't have the aeroplane yet 15:55 but could you receive groups. 15:56 What size groups could you receive? 15:58 Small groups. 15:59 The villages are small, so small groups are good. 16:02 Three to four people would be great. 16:03 Three to four people. 16:04 All right, but we want to let you know 16:06 how you can get in touch with this lovely couple 16:09 and they have a website. 16:11 It is gospelaviation.org and you can go on, 16:14 learn more about the ministry and if you would like, 16:17 the Holy Spirit's impressing you to support 16:19 with financials or maybe with your services, 16:23 that's wonderful but please keep them in prayer 16:26 because they are reaching a people 16:28 that really haven't been reached before. 16:30 Thanks for watching. 16:32 When I was younger, 16:34 I had a desire to be a mission pilot 16:35 but my eyesight was good enough 16:37 to let me spot objects on the sky. 16:39 So I had to scratch that 16:40 but I always have a great respect for those 16:42 who are mission pilots who take aviation 16:45 and then use that to serve Christ 16:47 in the mission field. 16:49 Well, up next. 16:51 Alexis Abrahantes shares a personal testimony. 16:56 He was born in Cuba. 16:58 Very atheist in his childhood. 17:01 When he was nine, 17:02 he learned about the church from his mother. 17:05 And they started attending 17:06 and visiting the church in secret 17:09 while his father was on a trip. 17:12 When he was nine, 17:13 also he was involved in a horrible burnt accident 17:17 my notes tell me, 17:18 where he was burnt over 75% of his body, 17:21 so very, very severe burnt incident. 17:25 The Lord shows his neighbour, that was the family's enemy. 17:28 Someone that had sworn to be enemies of his, 17:31 of their particular family 17:33 to help save Alexis from that accident. 17:37 So this is a very, very wonderful personal testimony 17:40 about the guiding hand of the Lord. 17:42 How God can see you through, 17:44 even if you've started out atheist, 17:46 you can end up a child of God. 17:49 Shelley Quinn, Alexis Abrahantes. 17:54 Now joining us at the booth is a special young man 17:57 who has an incredible testimony 17:59 of how God can reach down 18:01 and pull you out of problems 18:03 and use you for the glory of His name. 18:06 Now let me see if I can pronounce his name, 18:09 with us is Alexis Abrahantes Carralero. 18:13 It's excellent. 18:15 Hellos. Yes. 18:16 Thank you. 18:17 Oh, Alexis, thank you so much for coming today to the booth. 18:21 Now you're going to be a guest speaker at ASI 18:23 and where do you live right now? 18:26 I'm currently residing in Miami, Florida. 18:29 In Miami? Yes. 18:30 Thank you for having me. Right. 18:31 And what you do? 18:33 I'm working at Mercy hospital 18:34 as a floor coordinator for the emergency room 18:37 and also in the admitting department there. 18:39 Praise God. 18:40 You have had many challenges in your life 18:46 but you had a very idyllic childhood growing up in Cuba. 18:51 Tell us about that a little. 18:54 I grew up in... 18:56 I was born in Cuba, 18:58 my dad was a colonel 19:00 of the Tenth Division of the Ministry 19:02 of Interior of the armed forces and a diplomat. 19:05 And growing up in a household like that, 19:09 I had a very idyllic privileged childhood. 19:13 My mother also was a Commercial Administrator in Cuba. 19:18 And so I grew up in a bubbled world, 19:23 where I wasn't entirely aware of what was surrounding me. 19:25 Okay. 19:27 So this was during the time of... 19:31 Some particular challenges in Cuba, 19:33 I'll say because there are a lot of things 19:35 going on in the world 19:36 that were probably frightening to the regime. 19:40 Tell us about your religion in growing up. 19:44 Was your home a Christian home? 19:46 Well, of course, 19:47 my father being a member of the communist party 19:49 and such a high ranking official. 19:51 I grew up in a strictly atheist house hold. 19:55 Where nothing about religion was discussed et cetera, 19:58 and where... 19:59 When it was discussed, 20:01 it was discussed as a historical conversation 20:05 and so my knowledge of religion was very limited. 20:09 But was your mother... What was her background? 20:12 My mother had been born a Seventh-day Adventist. 20:14 There in Cuba? 20:15 Yes, in Cuba, second generation. 20:17 And she had left the church at the time of the revolution, 20:20 when the religious prosecutions began. 20:22 Okay. 20:23 And when I turned nine, 20:26 my father was sent off to Eastern Europe on a mission. 20:30 And this is when I learnt her forbidden story, 20:33 her past and the church. 20:36 And everything begins to sort of unfold. 20:39 A Bible worker by the name of Bethsaida Hiraltou 20:42 was taking a great risk in coming to see my mother 20:46 and eventually meets me. 20:48 And we began to go to church in secret. 20:50 And Bethsaida Hiraltou takes every opportunity 20:54 to begin to teach me 20:55 about the God of my fore fathers. 20:57 And this is when the current kind of begins to rip open 21:00 and I began to see, the religious persecution that 21:04 Cubans were suffering at that time, 21:06 those who continue to follow their religious conscience. 21:10 And both my mother and I began to visit the church 21:15 and she begins this incredible return to the Lord. 21:19 That was extremely risky at that time because... 21:23 Which things have changed quite a bit? 21:25 Yes, they have tremendously changed 21:27 and we've been able to see how all of that has occurred 21:31 and changes will continue to happen I'm sure. 21:33 Yes. Okay. 21:34 So in a nut shell, 21:37 God really got your attention at nine years old... 21:40 Yes. 21:41 And you must have been a very intelligent... 21:47 Your response to the Lord is so amazing, 21:49 you'll understand what I'm saying 21:51 in just a moment. 21:52 But you were an intelligent young man, 21:55 you had a horrific accident and tell us about the accident. 22:01 At the time that my mother and I 22:02 were visiting the church in secret, 22:05 we decided that we were going to get baptized 22:08 and make our conversion public, 22:11 which is tremendous risk at that time. 22:13 Especially with your father and his position. 22:15 With my father, correct. 22:16 And because my father would see that as an act of treason 22:20 and so would the government. 22:22 So an act of treason of conscience 22:25 and so the day that I was going to tell my father, 22:29 "Dad, I was visiting the church 22:31 and that I wanted to be baptized." 22:32 I suffered a tremendous accident, 22:36 I was carrying a tank of fuel under my arm, 22:39 that exploded and it burnt 75% of my body 22:45 with third degree burns. 22:47 It ripped my arm off 22:51 and left it hanging from the tendons of my back, 22:53 so I lost my arm. 22:55 And it carbonized all of my air ways, 23:00 my trachea, my larynx, 23:01 my pharynx, my vocal cords 23:03 and half of my right lung. 23:05 Now you were home alone 23:07 at the time of this tremendous accident. 23:09 You said that the blast was felt for a kilometer 23:12 around your home. 23:13 Yes. 23:15 Tell us how God even walked you through that accident, 23:19 being a nine year old home alone. 23:22 I realized right as I was burning, 23:25 a blessing that occurred to me is that I didn't feel any pain. 23:28 My nervous system shut down and I was unable to feel pain. 23:33 And when I lifted my arms to touch my hair 23:36 because I felt like a hurricane in my hair. 23:39 I noticed that I didn't have my right arm anymore. 23:42 And I knew at that moment, like a moment of clarity, 23:47 that this was not an accident, 23:49 that Satan had orchestrated this, 23:51 so that my mother's heart 23:53 would turn cold forever against God, 23:55 for she was now taking this amazing risk 23:57 to come back to the church. 23:59 And I began to pray 24:01 and my prayer was that if I died, 24:05 I wanted God to give my mother the courage 24:07 to continue on the path that we had chosen together 24:10 and if I lived I wanted to live to glorify His name forever. 24:14 I see that is an astounding prayer 24:16 for a nine year 24:17 'cause it's an astounding prayer 24:19 for an adult but... 24:21 So you are on the floor, 24:23 you're making this incredible request to the Lord, 24:29 no one is there, what happened next? 24:32 When I finished my prayer, 24:34 during the prayer I began to feel this serene silence, 24:38 I couldn't hear the curtains burning anymore, 24:43 I couldn't hear the dogs barking outside of the window. 24:48 I felt this incredible peace and when I opened my eyes, 24:53 after I said " Amen," 24:55 I was standing at the other side of the house 24:57 in front of the bathroom. 25:00 And logically I thought maybe I fainted. 25:03 Someone has brought me here 25:05 and still in flames, I began to scream for help 25:08 and there was nobody in the house. 25:10 I opened up the bathroom door 25:14 and I saw myself burning in the mirror 25:19 but when I looked at the water faucets of the bathroom, 25:24 they were both turned on. 25:26 Amazing. 25:27 And the water was coming down 25:29 and I remember at that moment 25:32 that my father had a friend who had lost the finger 25:36 and they saved the finger by putting some warm water 25:40 and grass around it to keep the circulation going. 25:43 The water was cold but I grabbed the towel 25:47 and I began to rip the pieces of the plastic 25:49 that were melting into my face, 25:52 my neck and my torso from the container. 25:56 And I dipped the towel... 25:59 So you've got pieces of the container, 26:02 the plastic, burning into your face 26:04 and you're pulling them off 26:06 and now you've got this towel, 26:08 you're gonna try to save the arm that is dangling? 26:10 So with my left arm, I sunk the towel into the water 26:13 and with my teeth and this arm, 26:15 I grabbed what was left of my upper arm, 26:19 I put it against what was left to my shoulder, 26:22 and I wrapped the towel around of my neck 26:24 and I was able to secure a knot with my teeth, 26:28 so I could keep it there. 26:30 And I began to splash all the water 26:32 to take the fire out. 26:34 I left in the sink of the bathroom 26:37 most of my face, 26:39 almost all of the front part of my neck 26:42 and my upper chest. 26:46 And then I ran out for help. 26:49 The man that comes to my aid 26:52 was the worst enemy of my family. 26:54 This is the man that the Lord chose to save me. 26:58 And he was taking a nap in his room 27:01 and he heard the blast, 27:03 Saw me come out and he thought, 27:05 "Well, somebody else will find him." 27:07 And he had a voice in the room that said, 27:10 "Help him now," 27:11 and he was so frightened by that. 27:14 They jumped out of the second storeyed 27:16 balcony of his house, 27:18 land then in our garden 27:20 and ran up to me in his underwear 27:23 'cause he was and hugs me. 27:26 When he hugs me, he starts screaming in pain 27:30 because my body temperature was so high, 27:32 that my torso melted right into his torso. 27:36 So he is the one that runs with me. 27:40 They bring a car to take me to a hospital 27:42 and that they had to surgically remove him from me. 27:45 And he suffered third degree burns in his chest. 27:48 Oh, my. As a result of this. 27:50 Oh, my. 27:51 And this begins an incredible series of miracles. 27:56 I spent two and a half years in an intensive critical care, 27:59 inside of a hyperbaric chamber. 28:02 Because you actually lost your ear, 28:04 you lost your eyelid, 28:06 you had a mask on your face 28:08 because a lot of your face was gone. 28:10 Yes. 28:11 So I was incubated. 28:14 It's a long testimony 28:16 and I know we have very little time 28:17 but during that time I quoted more than 28:20 in five different occasions, 28:22 I was declared dead on one of them. 28:25 And the doctors did not expect you to live, did they? 28:28 No, the doctors kept on telling my parents 28:32 that I was going to pass away 28:33 and they were going to do their best. 28:35 And so it was a very difficult position 28:38 but I kept on living one day 28:41 and then other and other 28:42 and the church in Cuba unified 28:44 and they began to fast and pray 28:47 and their fasting and prayer 28:49 began to show miracles after miracle. 28:53 And out of this terrible tragedy, 28:55 God began to make so many triumphs. 28:58 The nursing staff of the floor began to see miracles 29:03 occur right in front of their eyes 29:05 and were deeply touched to where 29:07 they began to accept the Lord. 29:09 Praise the Lord. 29:10 And began to see that it wasn't science 29:12 but that it was God. 29:14 I was told that I would never walk again, 29:16 I am fully functional. 29:18 And your arm was reattached. 29:21 My arm was reattached and saved. 29:22 I'm one of the very few people in the world 29:24 that has full function of their arms like that. 29:27 And I was told that I wasn't going to be able to speak 29:31 and here I am speaking to you, 29:33 so that I can fulfill that commission, 29:35 that on that day, 29:37 that God gave me that opportunity 29:38 so that I can come and glorify His name 29:42 to show that God will come and rescue you. 29:44 Amen. 29:45 No matter where you are, no matter what your position, 29:48 no matter what your difficulties. 29:50 And even though you may be like, 29:52 I was a piece of meat gathered in a hyperbaric bed. 29:56 He will use that if you're willing to be used 29:59 to glorify His name and to show His great power. 30:02 And you think about the simple trial... 30:05 Well, I can't say it's a trial like prayer 30:07 because to think that a nine year old would say, 30:10 "Lord, if I die, 30:13 keep my mother courageous but if I live, 30:15 I wanna live for your glory and speak for your glory" 30:18 and that's what God is doing in your life now. 30:20 Yes. Yes. 30:21 And it is so amazing. 30:23 I do have to ask one question. 30:26 I know your mother is an Adventist Christian, 30:29 you are a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. 30:31 How did your father respond? 30:34 Did he ever become a Christian? 30:36 My father remained in Cuba 30:39 after we came to the United States 30:41 for operations due to my accident. 30:44 My father allowed me to be baptized. 30:47 He could have, you know, with held his permission, 30:52 withhold his permission. 30:53 And what he told me in the last letters 30:57 that I received from him because he died in 2001, 31:00 we never were able to see him again. 31:02 After we left Cuba, was his admiration for Christ, 31:07 for Christ unifying and a humble message 31:12 and he was deeply touched by what happened, 31:15 now he never converted formally 31:18 into the church or been to visit the church. 31:21 However, one very telling thing was that, 31:24 one night that I was very ill and dying, 31:26 my mother said to him, "How could you not pray, 31:30 your son is dying." 31:31 And he said to my mother, 31:33 "Don't you think that I have tried everything." 31:36 Praise God. Praise God. 31:38 Alexis, we're so glad that God... 31:41 You're a miracle child from the beginning 31:43 and you're a miracle child now 31:45 and we're so glad that you have lived up to your part 31:49 of the request to God 31:51 and you're speaking for His glory. 31:52 We just want to encourage you to know 31:55 that God always looks down and answers the request. 32:01 Any spirit will request, the answer is yes. 32:05 May God touch your life like that today. 32:08 Wonderful story, wonderful heartwarming story 32:11 of how God can take even an atheist, 32:14 someone who does not espouse Christianity 32:17 and turn them into a loving, caring saint of God. 32:22 Up next, Gary and Marilyn Carpenter, 32:25 another great story, 32:27 personal testimony, human interest story. 32:29 Gary grew up in the Assemblies of God church 32:33 His wife Marilyn was raised 32:35 in the Seventh-day Adventist church. 32:38 Gary was struggling 32:39 with the Seventh-day Adventist message 32:41 and many times, the change from Saturday to... 32:44 From Sunday rather to Saturday, 32:46 the change in diet, the change in dress, 32:48 the change in deportment, can be tough for those 32:51 who have a knowledge of God 32:54 but do not have the full truth 32:56 as taught by the Bible 32:57 in the Seventh-day Adventist church. 32:59 And so, Gary finally attended a Seventh-day Adventist church 33:03 with his wife Marilyn. 33:05 He turned to Marilyn and said, "I am home. 33:09 This is where I am supposed to be." 33:12 And so the love of Christ, 33:13 the love of a good wife or good spouse 33:15 can breakdown a lot of those barriers 33:17 and make the transition into the Adventist church, 33:20 into the full truth of the gospel, 33:22 a pleasant and blessed one. 33:24 This is Gary and Marilyn Carpenter 33:27 interviewed by Shelley Quinn. 33:31 In the booth with us right now are Gary and Marilyn Carpenter. 33:35 And they have such an amazing story, 33:38 a testimony of the goodness of God 33:40 and how He leads 33:43 when we truly surrender or yield control to Him. 33:47 So Gary, thank you so much for coming today. 33:50 Well, thank you, Shelley. 33:51 And Marilyn, we're so glad that 33:53 you've got this wonderful testimony 33:55 to share with the Lord. 33:56 Let me just start. 33:58 Gary, you did not grow up 34:00 as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian 34:02 but you did grow up as a Christian. 34:04 Tell us a little of your background. 34:06 I was raised in the Assembly of God church, 34:10 most, all of my life. And I remember 34:13 when I was at the age of six years old, 34:16 it was so important to know when they gave an appeal, 34:21 don't miss out on heaven, get to know Jesus. 34:25 My feet wouldn't even touch in the floor of that pew 34:29 and I wanted to know Jesus. 34:31 Amen. 34:32 But I was questioned as to, 34:34 would they believe a young child 34:37 but my uncle was the police officer, 34:39 a head of Assistant Chief of Police 34:42 at Albuquerque in New Mexico. 34:44 He happened to walk in from a service that night, 34:48 I turned around and saw him in his uniform, 34:51 I knew that Rock of Gibraltar 34:52 would be someone that could lead me 34:55 and he walked me down the aisle and at the age of six, 34:59 I give my heart and life to Him. 35:01 And He has been with me since. 35:03 Amen. Glory. 35:05 So you grew up having a deep love for the Lord 35:09 and appreciating the gospel of grace, 35:13 you understood Jesus. 35:14 When so much, 35:15 when I was a young teenager in high school, 35:20 as young men would wear their cigarettes 35:22 and their white T-shirts rolled up 35:24 in their T-shirts. 35:25 You're dating yourself, Gary. 35:26 I rolled up my Bible. 35:30 Praise God. 35:31 And anybody that would touch and asking for a cigarette, 35:35 I would say, "If you touch it one more time, 35:38 I will take it down read scripture to you." 35:41 And many a time I did that. 35:43 Amongst the high school students 35:45 and my friends and if they moved an inch, 35:49 they would have to listen to another scripture. 35:52 How lovely. 35:53 A point got across, 35:55 that I stood for what I believed in. 35:57 Amen. Amen. 35:58 Now, Marilyn, 36:00 you grew up in a Seventh-day Adventist home, 36:02 the youngest of six children. 36:04 Tell us a little of your spiritual journey 36:08 and then how the two of you met? 36:11 Well, I remember when I was a child 36:13 in this good Seventh-day Adventist home. 36:16 Hardworking parents, hardworking... 36:18 and we were expected to be hardworking. 36:22 I remember seeing a Bible book 36:27 and it had a picture of Jesus on a Cross being crucified. 36:31 I believe it was one of our Bible story books 36:33 from the Adventist church. 36:35 And I remember as a little girl, 36:37 may be five or six crying, "How could they do this?" 36:42 Yes. 36:43 "To this precious man, who came to earth, 36:47 how could they do that 36:49 and that's a prominent memory." 36:52 And growing up, 36:54 I just sort of floated away from the church. 36:58 And... 36:59 So when you met Gary, were you going to church? 37:01 No, I was not. You were not. 37:03 I was not. 37:04 So you got... 37:05 You were attracted to this woman, 37:07 who then... 37:08 Did you get her to start coming to church with you? 37:11 Yes, she attended some of the church services 37:13 that we attended together. 37:16 But I wasn't comfortable. 37:18 I just wasn't finding what I needed. 37:21 In the Assembly of God. In the Assembly of God. 37:23 All right. 37:24 From the teachings, 37:26 that I had but I just did not feel 37:29 the comfort that I... 37:30 And they're beautiful people. 37:32 They know how to pray... 37:33 Yes, yes. 37:35 But let me ask you this, 37:36 how many years have you been married? 37:38 Twenty one years, this October. 37:39 Twenty one years. Okay. 37:41 When you come together 37:43 and you had not been going to church, 37:45 it's probably quite a culture shock to go 37:49 from growing up Seventh-day Adventist 37:50 into the Assembly of God church, 37:52 was it not? 37:53 Yes, it was. Yes, it was. 37:55 But now you, 37:56 were you a deep student of the Word 37:57 or you said that something was missing. 38:00 I really wasn't deep into the Word. 38:02 Okay. 38:04 Yes, I have studied the Bible and studied God's Word 38:08 but more of a function 38:10 because of the fact to just being a surface reader. 38:13 A surface reader, I understand it. 38:14 But relationship to hear that still small voice 38:17 and to know my dedication was to Him. 38:20 I did sell out to Him all of my life. 38:23 All right, so let me just explain for our viewers, 38:25 in case you don't know. 38:26 The still small voice of the Lord's, 38:28 I Kings 19:12, where, you know, 38:30 when the Bible says that God speaks in an audible voice, 38:35 it's like the rushing of waters, 38:37 it made them tremble to hear His voice 38:39 when they were at the foot of Mount Sinai 38:42 but the still small voice, 38:44 I believe and I know you believe is 38:46 when God whispers a thought to your mind 38:50 by the power of His Holy Spirit. 38:52 So you've been led by the Spirit 38:54 and you're not finding satisfaction, 38:56 so God then in 2006, 39:01 He did something to kind of turn things around 39:05 cause' there's already this unrest 39:07 and the Bible says, kind of, 39:08 like an eagle will stir up the nest. 39:11 God will stir up things, 39:13 so eagles do that to get their eaglets uncomfortable 39:16 when they're ready to fly. 39:18 He's stirring, your uncomfortable. 39:20 He did that. He did that. 39:21 Okay. 39:22 Now you had an experience 39:25 where you just felt like 39:26 the still small voice of the Lord 39:28 spoke to you so powerfully. 39:30 Tell us about that. 39:31 Yes. Yes. 39:33 One evening in 2006, 39:34 I was watching the news on television 39:37 and it was just... 39:38 I feel it physically, 39:41 shaking my shoulders saying, "Marilyn, wakeup. 39:45 You don't have long. 39:47 Marilyn, wake up. 39:49 You don't have long. Get ready." 39:53 I immediately cried out to the Lord, 39:55 "Father, forgive me. 39:57 I had been ignoring you all these years. 40:01 Forgive me, whatever life I have left, 40:05 whatever breath I take, 40:07 I want to dedicate to you and do whatever it is, 40:10 you would have me do. 40:13 Thank you for your patience. 40:14 Your long suffering, your forbearance of..." 40:18 Amen. 40:19 "Such a wandering child." 40:22 And the next day, 40:25 I felt compelled immediately 40:27 to go and get a copy of the Great Controversy 40:30 and start reading the Great Controversy. 40:32 So is that a book you were familiar with from childhood? 40:35 That is a book that I remember 40:36 my mother found very important 40:39 when I was a child, the youngest of six, 40:41 she was reading us the Great Controversy. 40:43 Maybe it meant something 40:45 to my older brothers and sisters 40:47 but it didn't mean a great deal to me at the time 40:50 nor had I remembered much about it. 40:53 All right. 40:54 So you're reading the Great Controversy. 40:55 You are in the car together on a trip 40:58 and she's reading and you ask, "What are you reading?" 41:01 We had an acquisition meeting to go to 41:03 and I asked her to come and ride along with me. 41:07 And so I asked her what she was reading. 41:10 And she returned, called the Great Controversy. 41:13 I said, "I've never heard of that book. 41:17 Why don't you go ahead and read a few lines to me.? " 41:20 And at that given time... 41:23 Where were you in the book? 41:25 I was reading the story about Constantine 41:27 changing from the Seventh-Day Sabbath... 41:31 Yes. 41:32 To honoring the first day of the week. 41:34 Yes. 41:35 And upon doing that, Shelley, 41:38 the big as I am 41:40 and I don't get angry very easy 41:43 but I began to get angry. 41:45 I said, "Stop reading. 41:47 That's making me angry." All right. 41:49 Were you angry because it was challenging 41:52 what you believed was the truth about the Sunday 41:54 or were you angry 41:56 because you did not heard this before 41:58 and you knew this was history. 42:00 I knew just the later, that what you just said... 42:03 You knew this was true 42:05 and it was history but you just... 42:06 And I said that's true. 42:09 And I realized I could not get angry 42:12 with anybody but myself. 42:14 I realized I was just a surface reader. 42:17 Yes. 42:18 And I so identify what... 42:20 That hurt. It does. 42:22 It does. 42:24 But now God's got your attention. 42:25 Yes. 42:27 And you decided to be more than a surface reader. 42:29 Yes. 42:30 I challenged it, Shelley, 42:32 I challenged the Word of God. 42:34 I read it and so, finally I said... 42:37 Deep study for about six months. 42:39 I did but the thing was, I went with Marilyn, 42:43 we were in the house, sitting on the diwan, 42:46 looking down over San Bernardino 42:48 toward the Loma Linda and I said, 42:50 "Remember that big church you used to attend," 42:53 I said, "Why don't we try to attend that 42:56 and see if there's something there. " 43:00 And this was the Seventh-day Adventist church 43:02 at Loma Linda. 43:03 So in June of 2009, 43:06 I looked on the website to see 43:08 what was happening at the Loma Linda University 43:11 Seventh-day Adventist church 43:12 and it looked like it was a good thing to go to, 43:15 it wasn't communion which might not be a good first visit. 43:21 And so we went and visited 43:24 and attended and walking in there, 43:26 I remember saying, "Sweetheart, 43:28 remember we're walking in the church, 43:30 we're not walking into heaven." 43:34 And we went and found seats 43:39 and the service was... 43:41 The music was lovely, was very spiritual, 43:44 very uplifting and Gary looked over at me... 43:48 And, Shelley, I couldn't help. 43:51 But sitting there, 43:52 two-thirds back from the front. 43:56 And on the side row, 43:57 I'll never forget that seating from that time, 44:02 I turned to Marilyn like I do now 44:06 and I said, "I'm home. I'm home." 44:11 You know, that's so precious because you had studied 44:14 and learned the truth about the Sabbath. 44:16 Yes. 44:17 You had studied enough to know that 44:19 what you're hearing 44:21 and what the Adventist Church, 44:23 the biblical doctrines 44:25 that Seventh-day Adventist cling to, are true. 44:29 And that's a precious thing 44:31 and I so relate to what you're saying. 44:33 From the state of the dead. Amen. 44:36 From a rapture, wow. 44:39 A second coming, a real second coming. 44:41 Yes. All right. 44:42 So as God is revealing these truths 44:47 to you through His Word, 44:49 now you've become a part of the Adventist church. 44:51 Let me ask you first. 44:53 How did your friends and family respond to this 44:57 when you made this change? 44:59 Did you become outcast 45:01 or they think you were lunatics? 45:03 May be still are. Okay. 45:05 Yes. 45:06 All right, but God had a plan. He did. 45:09 Now when I have found that anyone 45:14 who is willing to surrender your control to God, 45:18 be led by His Spirit 45:20 which you never have to worry about 45:22 being led by the Spirit 45:23 because the Spirit will never do anything 45:25 contrary to the Word 45:27 but when you're being led by the Spirit 45:29 and you yield to it, 45:30 it's just like when Isaiah's, you know, 45:33 pressing into the presence of the Lord, he heard, 45:35 he saw the Lord high and lifted up 45:39 and hears God say, 45:41 "Whom shall I send... 45:43 resend and who will go for us." 45:45 And Isaiah goes, "Here I am, Lord. Send me." 45:49 And he touches him with a coal from the altars. 45:52 You had a similar experience. Yes. 45:55 Tell us about that. Yes. 45:57 when I experienced all of that, 45:59 about that year, I just said, 46:01 I realized 46:04 I had not been living God's love, 46:06 one through ten. 46:08 May be one, two, three, 46:10 six and seven. 46:12 Been in business, 46:14 I could go to church on Sunday 46:17 and go back to work Sunday afternoon. 46:19 Monday through that Sunday and make money. 46:23 But then I realized, the fourth commandment, 46:27 it stood out like turning on the light in a darkroom. 46:31 Amen. Yes. 46:32 Where have I been, 46:34 why have I not seen that before. 46:36 Common sense tells us that's God's law, live for it. 46:41 Live one through ten, not two and four, 46:43 five or six 46:45 and that's what I share with people today. 46:47 Amen. 46:48 God gave us promises, Shelley. 46:50 He didn't have to but He did 46:52 because He loved you and me and Marilyn 46:55 and these viewers out here. 46:57 He loves you because of... 46:59 And He gives you these 47:00 and He gives you the desires of your heart. 47:02 Yes. 47:04 But you have to pay the price of loving Him. 47:07 To love Him is to know Him and to know Him is to love him. 47:10 Amen. 47:12 You know, the way I think of it, Gary. 47:14 He is a covenant keeping God and the new covenant, 47:17 Hebrews 8:10, 47:19 He says, "He writes His law in our heart." 47:21 And so it is just a covenant, we don't obey to be saved, 47:25 we obey because we are saved. 47:27 That's right. 47:28 And it is our covenant response of love 47:31 and I love what the Sabbath does, 47:33 is that it is a sign God says, 47:37 it's a sign of His covenant of grace 47:39 because it's a sign that He's the one who sanctifies us. 47:42 So God is using you now? Yes. 47:45 You are... Slow. 47:47 Actually, God called you and told you, 47:50 you're gonna preach and you said, 47:52 "Well, Lord, you got to give me a sign." 47:53 Tell us about that. 47:54 So it turns out that... 47:57 I said, "Lord, I will not put my door 48:01 or my hand on a door nor will I walk through that door. 48:04 And if that's the case, I need confirmation." 48:08 And like I said, a day and a half later, 48:11 after telling my wife, nobody else knew it, 48:14 we received a phone call into our office 48:18 from a pastor in Hesperia, California. 48:21 Amen. 48:23 Saying, "Gary, I've shaken your hand a couple of times. 48:25 I don't know you." 48:26 Now this is a Seventh-day Adventist pastor? 48:28 A Seventh-day Adventist pastor. 48:31 And he says, "A day and a half ago, 48:34 the Holy Spirit had been leading upon my heart 48:37 to call you. 48:39 I don't even know if you preach or not 48:42 or if you've ever preached. 48:44 But you must come preach a message in my church." 48:46 Praise God. Amen. 48:49 I said, "Alphonso, 48:51 you don't even maybe 48:53 but what the Holy Spirit's doing 48:55 and given me confirmation. 48:57 Yes, I will accept. I will be there." 49:00 And there were about 12 to 14 people, 49:03 through an appeal that morning 49:05 came and give their heart and life to the Lord. 49:07 Glory to God. 49:08 Eighty-six year old lady walked up with her walker 49:11 and said, "I must rededicate my life." 49:14 A 12 year old little girl, young girl, 49:16 fell at her knees before my wife 49:19 and said, "I must find Jesus." 49:20 Glory to God. 49:22 14 year old girl did the same and two families. 49:25 Now that was an anointed service no doubt. 49:27 Let me ask you this one question, 49:29 I'm not sure how much time we have left 49:32 but I know that there's gonna be many people 49:35 who are watching, 49:36 who would be curious about this 49:37 and that is, 49:39 as God was teaching you all of these truths, 49:42 you know, they said 49:44 preconceived opinions effectively 49:46 insulate the mind against truth. 49:49 But and it's harder sometimes to let go of error 49:52 than it is to accept God's truth. 49:55 How did you... 49:58 Coming from an Assembly of God background, 50:01 when you came into the Adventist church, 50:04 no one is speaking in tongues, how did that... 50:07 How did you accept that? 50:09 That didn't bother me at all, Shelley. 50:11 Didn't bother you at all. Didn't bother me at all. 50:13 So God just worked all the way through. 50:17 All the way through. Hallelujah. 50:19 All the way through. Hallelujah. 50:20 You know, I look at both of you 50:22 and I know that God's hand is guiding. 50:25 I know that, you know, 50:27 His grace has been multiplied to you 50:30 and I believe that God's gonna use you. 50:34 I think sometimes I didn't grow up Adventist 50:36 and I think sometimes as we come into the message, 50:39 the beauty of the Sabbath, 50:40 the things that we've learned are so special to us 50:44 because we didn't have them. 50:45 Sometimes God can use people 50:47 who didn't grow up Adventist to come teach Adventist 50:50 to appreciate what they take for granted. 50:53 Time and time again, Shelley. 50:54 I've had people from Loma Linda, 50:56 whoever I met saying, 50:59 "I can't be that way, I've never been that way, 51:03 I love to see what's happening in your life." 51:06 And I've had people come and say, 51:07 "Gary, thank you. 51:10 I've opened up and I'm beginning 51:12 to take that step of faith..." 51:13 Amen. 51:15 "And say what God has laid in my heart." 51:18 I'd say it to the viewers, Shelley. 51:19 Today, that still small voice, don't let it rob you, 51:24 don't let Satan rob you. 51:25 Absolutely. 51:26 Take advantage of what direction 51:28 God tells us to do. 51:30 Absolutely. 51:31 And where to go and when to say it. 51:32 That gift that is going to be developed 51:35 day by day and when it develops, 51:37 By listening to that still small voice 51:40 brings you to pray, brings you to Him, 51:42 brings you to glorify Him and win souls for Christ. 51:45 You know, Ellen White said, 51:46 I believe, it's Christ Object Lessons, 51:48 I believe it's page 129 51:51 but that is we really grow in relationship with the Lord 51:53 and I am paraphrasing 51:55 but that He will speak mysteries to us by His Spirit. 51:58 Oh, he will. 51:59 He leads us, He guides us. 52:02 And the Holy Spirit is so important, 52:05 only those who are lead by the Spirit are actually 52:08 considered the children of God. 52:09 Thank you so much... Thank you, Shelley. 52:11 That you have shared your testimony. 52:15 Thank you for allowing God to use you 52:18 and we're praying for you that 52:20 you'll continue to walk in surrender. 52:22 We just wanna thank all of you at home, 52:24 I hope you've been encouraged and inspired by this message. 52:27 God bless. 52:29 It's wonderful to know that 52:31 the light of the gospel can come 52:32 into the lives of professed Christians 52:35 and they can come to the full truths of the gospel. 52:37 So many times when Adventists are wedded to non-Adventists, 52:41 sometimes we lose our faith but it's good to know that 52:44 when you stand for your faith, 52:45 all this can see 52:47 the light of the love of Christ in your life 52:48 and be brought into the Adventist fold 52:50 in the truth of the Bible. 52:52 So we are thankful for Gary and Marilyn Carpenter 52:55 and we ask God's richest blessings upon them. 52:59 We're gonna go now to our news break, 53:00 got a couple of things wanna talk to you about, 53:02 then we'll be back for a closing thought 53:04 and to put a little wrap on this particular program. |
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