I want to spend my life
00:00:01.36\00:00:07.30
Mending broken people
00:00:07.34\00:00:11.21
I want to spend my life
00:00:11.24\00:00:17.95
Removing pain
00:00:17.98\00:00:23.18
Lord, let my words
00:00:23.22\00:00:29.49
Heal a heart that hurts
00:00:29.52\00:00:34.30
I want to spend my life
00:00:34.33\00:00:39.90
Mending broken people
00:00:39.93\00:00:45.37
I want to spend my life
00:00:45.41\00:00:50.98
Mending broken people
00:00:51.01\00:00:53.98
Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn
00:01:06.19\00:01:07.53
and we welcome you
once again to 3ABN Today.
00:01:07.56\00:01:10.10
Thank you for
joining us for this hour.
00:01:10.13\00:01:12.17
It's going to be
a wonderful hour.
00:01:12.20\00:01:15.07
And I want to
take this opportunity
00:01:15.10\00:01:16.60
to thank you for your prayers
00:01:16.64\00:01:19.47
and your financial support.
00:01:19.51\00:01:21.11
We have two very
special guests with us today,
00:01:21.14\00:01:24.25
and I'm just going to go ahead
00:01:24.28\00:01:25.61
and introduce them
before I read the scripture,
00:01:25.65\00:01:28.18
and that is Steve Grabiner,
00:01:28.22\00:01:30.09
who is the president of
Outpost Centers International.
00:01:30.12\00:01:32.75
Pleasure to be here.
00:01:32.79\00:01:34.12
Steve, thank you so
much for coming today.
00:01:34.16\00:01:35.96
Pleasure.
00:01:35.99\00:01:37.33
And then Frank Fournier,
00:01:37.36\00:01:38.69
who is the vice president
00:01:38.73\00:01:40.20
of Outpost
Centers International.
00:01:40.23\00:01:42.40
Happy to be here.
00:01:42.43\00:01:43.77
Well, I consider both
of these gentlemen friends
00:01:43.80\00:01:46.03
and just dear brothers in Christ
00:01:46.07\00:01:48.04
and we're so glad you're here.
00:01:48.07\00:01:50.27
Now, I know you've got
something special for us,
00:01:50.31\00:01:53.41
but what I want to
do is share a scripture
00:01:53.44\00:01:55.84
that I think we all need to be
reminded of from time to time,
00:01:55.88\00:01:59.01
and this is Acts 17:26-28.
00:01:59.05\00:02:03.69
Paul is speaking to
those who are worshiping
00:02:03.72\00:02:08.69
all kinds of gods and they even
got an idol for an unknown God,
00:02:08.72\00:02:12.13
and he say to them that,
00:02:12.16\00:02:14.06
"He God has made from one blood
00:02:14.10\00:02:17.47
every nation of men to
dwell on the face of the earth."
00:02:17.50\00:02:20.57
From one blood, that
means we all have more in common
00:02:20.60\00:02:25.71
than we have dissimilarities,
00:02:25.74\00:02:29.24
and he said, "He is determined
their pre-appointed times
00:02:29.28\00:02:31.91
and the boundaries
of their dwellings,
00:02:31.95\00:02:33.35
so that they
should seek the Lord,
00:02:33.38\00:02:35.58
in the hope that they might
grope for Him and find Him,
00:02:35.62\00:02:39.15
though He is not
far from each one of us,
00:02:39.19\00:02:41.79
for in Him we live and
move and have our being."
00:02:41.82\00:02:46.29
And you know, that scripture,
00:02:46.33\00:02:48.53
what it reminds me of is that
00:02:48.56\00:02:52.03
prejudice is
such a sin, is it not?
00:02:52.07\00:02:55.74
I mean we are more
similar than we are dissimilar,
00:02:55.77\00:02:58.87
and prejudice is actually
the root of prejudice is pride
00:02:58.91\00:03:03.85
and pride is the
root of the antichrist
00:03:03.88\00:03:06.82
if you think about it.
00:03:06.85\00:03:08.25
So we need to pray and ask God,
00:03:08.28\00:03:11.29
help us to get
over our prejudices.
00:03:11.32\00:03:13.92
Help us Lord to love everyone
00:03:13.96\00:03:16.73
and to see
everyone as you see them.
00:03:16.76\00:03:19.59
So gentlemen today we're
going to be talking about
00:03:19.63\00:03:22.56
an exciting project,
00:03:22.60\00:03:25.60
and before we do that though
00:03:25.63\00:03:27.87
we would like to go to our music
00:03:27.90\00:03:30.34
I think it will get,
00:03:30.37\00:03:31.74
ET is gonna be
playing for us on the piano,
00:03:31.77\00:03:33.98
so we will let her do that first
00:03:34.01\00:03:36.58
and then we'll come back
00:03:36.61\00:03:38.01
and get into the wonderful topic
00:03:38.05\00:03:40.88
that we'll talk about today.
00:03:40.92\00:03:42.35
ET is a precious woman of God.
00:03:42.38\00:03:44.92
She is an incredible musician,
00:03:44.95\00:03:47.16
and she's going to
play for us right now,
00:03:47.19\00:03:49.22
"How Great is Our God".
00:03:49.26\00:03:51.49
Thank you ET, I
wished I had that talent,
00:08:29.94\00:08:32.44
but thank God that she...
00:08:32.47\00:08:34.24
she gives the
talent back to the Lord.
00:08:34.28\00:08:37.95
So if you're just joining us,
00:08:37.98\00:08:39.31
our special guests today
00:08:39.35\00:08:40.72
are Steve
Grabiner and Frank Fournier
00:08:40.75\00:08:43.15
and they're both with
Outpost Centers International.
00:08:43.18\00:08:46.45
Now, Steve,
it's been a long time
00:08:46.49\00:08:47.96
since you've been here,
00:08:47.99\00:08:49.92
so let's before we kick off
00:08:49.96\00:08:52.86
and talk about the
exciting new project
00:08:52.89\00:08:55.46
that you're
here to unveil today.
00:08:55.50\00:08:58.47
Tell us a little
bit of your background?
00:08:58.50\00:09:01.34
Sure, it'd be a pleasure.
00:09:01.37\00:09:02.90
I grew up north of New York City
00:09:02.94\00:09:05.21
in a Jewish family.
00:09:05.24\00:09:07.84
And as I was growing up,
00:09:07.88\00:09:09.74
went to Hebrew school in
addition to public school.
00:09:09.78\00:09:13.52
And when I was around 10
00:09:13.55\00:09:15.72
my father
tragically passed away,
00:09:15.75\00:09:17.99
kind of impacted my
life for a number of years.
00:09:18.02\00:09:20.96
In my high school years,
00:09:20.99\00:09:23.32
I was involved in what was
fairly common at that time.
00:09:23.36\00:09:27.40
I was involved
in the hippie scene
00:09:27.43\00:09:29.30
of the '60s and so on.
00:09:29.33\00:09:31.10
But when I was becoming 20,
00:09:31.13\00:09:33.13
I began to go into a
little vegetarian restaurant
00:09:33.17\00:09:36.04
that amazingly was run by
00:09:36.07\00:09:38.11
a group of
Seventh-day Adventists,
00:09:38.14\00:09:39.91
and it was through meeting them
00:09:39.94\00:09:42.04
and eating with them
and studying with them
00:09:42.08\00:09:44.81
that I became introduced to
Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
00:09:44.85\00:09:48.92
Praise the Lord.
00:09:48.95\00:09:50.39
And that made a very
dramatic change in my life.
00:09:50.42\00:09:53.25
Okay, so you went from a long,
00:09:53.29\00:09:55.12
a long pony tailed hippie to
00:09:55.16\00:09:58.39
actually you ended up going
into school to study theology.
00:09:58.43\00:10:04.27
Tell us about that?
00:10:04.30\00:10:05.63
How did that decision...
00:10:05.67\00:10:07.00
You meet these people
just eating at a restaurant
00:10:07.04\00:10:09.97
and it just shows you
00:10:10.01\00:10:11.34
what ministries of
health food restaurants can do,
00:10:11.37\00:10:15.04
but you meet these
people, you become...
00:10:15.08\00:10:18.31
you fall in love, they
introduced you to Christ.
00:10:18.35\00:10:20.78
You fallen in love with
Him, accept Him as the Messiah.
00:10:20.82\00:10:24.05
How did you then...
00:10:24.09\00:10:25.69
How did you make that
leap to go study theology?
00:10:25.72\00:10:29.36
Well, the movement
from first knowing Christ
00:10:29.39\00:10:32.09
to becoming a pastor
00:10:32.13\00:10:35.33
and working in
evangelism and in education,
00:10:35.36\00:10:39.03
wasn't so direct.
00:10:39.07\00:10:40.54
Okay.
00:10:40.57\00:10:41.90
After my conversion,
00:10:41.94\00:10:43.27
I went away to college
for little bit, dropped out,
00:10:43.30\00:10:45.27
and then worked in
a supporting ministry,
00:10:45.31\00:10:48.24
the individuals that
were running the restaurant,
00:10:48.28\00:10:50.35
they're all lay people,
00:10:50.38\00:10:51.71
and that's what's
really exciting is that
00:10:51.75\00:10:53.28
God's given every Christian
something to do for Him.
00:10:53.31\00:10:56.48
Amen.
00:10:56.52\00:10:57.89
And so I worked with
some other lay people
00:10:57.92\00:11:00.99
in the ministry in Michigan
00:11:01.02\00:11:02.89
and then from there I worked
00:11:02.92\00:11:04.89
with the
conference in the Boston area.
00:11:04.93\00:11:07.20
We worked in evangelism,
00:11:07.23\00:11:08.66
help raising up a
couple of churches
00:11:08.70\00:11:10.20
in the Boston area,
Waltham and Braintree.
00:11:10.23\00:11:14.57
From there I
became a pastor studied,
00:11:14.60\00:11:18.87
went got my degrees in theology
00:11:18.91\00:11:21.61
and end up getting a
doctorate in theology
00:11:21.64\00:11:25.08
and writing a book
on Revelation actually.
00:11:25.11\00:11:26.82
Wonderful.
00:11:26.85\00:11:28.18
And then how did you become
00:11:28.22\00:11:30.29
or how did you come
00:11:30.32\00:11:31.72
and it was what year 2002,
00:11:31.75\00:11:35.66
when did you come to OCI?
00:11:35.69\00:11:38.19
Well, I worked
for OCI in Africa.
00:11:38.23\00:11:41.90
I was director of a project
there called Riverside Farm.
00:11:41.93\00:11:44.87
And then when I
left Africa in 2006,
00:11:44.90\00:11:47.77
I started working as
the vice president of OCI...
00:11:47.80\00:11:49.90
In 2006.
00:11:49.94\00:11:51.27
And then about four and a half,
00:11:51.31\00:11:52.64
five years I became
the president of OCI.
00:11:52.67\00:11:54.24
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:11:54.28\00:11:55.61
And it's been a
great journey. Okay.
00:11:55.64\00:11:57.11
It's amazing how God
leads us in different ways.
00:11:57.15\00:12:00.88
Amen.
00:12:00.92\00:12:02.25
That's a fascinating history,
00:12:02.28\00:12:04.39
but we're gonna come back
00:12:04.42\00:12:05.75
and OCI is Outpost
Centers International.
00:12:05.79\00:12:08.59
We'll introduce that ministry
to you in just a moment.
00:12:08.62\00:12:10.96
But, Frank, now
you're now stranger to 3ABN,
00:12:10.99\00:12:14.33
you've been here quite often,
00:12:14.36\00:12:15.86
you've done a
little series on 3ABN.
00:12:15.90\00:12:18.93
As a matter of fact,
00:12:18.97\00:12:20.30
from heaven's point
of view on Prodigal Son,
00:12:20.34\00:12:22.70
so but tell us because things
keep changing in your life.
00:12:22.74\00:12:27.34
I think last time you were here,
00:12:27.38\00:12:28.71
were you the president
of Adventist Layman Services
00:12:28.74\00:12:31.98
and Industries
or I don't know...
00:12:32.01\00:12:34.08
I was president of
ASI for four years,
00:12:34.12\00:12:37.89
and at the same time I
was president of Eden Valley,
00:12:37.92\00:12:40.89
a lifestyle center.
00:12:40.92\00:12:42.39
Yes.
00:12:42.42\00:12:43.99
So I don't know that I
ever heard your testimony.
00:12:44.03\00:12:46.90
Give us just a little
bit of your growing up?
00:12:46.93\00:12:49.30
Yeah, well, I grew up
in the Roman Catholic home
00:12:49.33\00:12:52.23
in French, Canada.
00:12:52.27\00:12:55.70
And sometime in my early 20s,
00:12:55.74\00:12:57.87
I began to wonder
00:12:57.91\00:12:59.77
or maybe I began to be
drawn more closely by the Lord,
00:12:59.81\00:13:02.98
somehow became
interested in reading the Bible
00:13:03.01\00:13:06.25
and I began to do that.
00:13:06.28\00:13:08.25
And as soon as I
started reading the Bible,
00:13:08.28\00:13:12.49
I came to the conclusion that
00:13:12.52\00:13:14.09
I wasn't smart
enough to determine
00:13:14.12\00:13:16.86
who was right and who was wrong,
00:13:16.89\00:13:19.19
and so I got on my knees
00:13:19.23\00:13:21.33
and talk to the Lord about
He teaching me individually.
00:13:21.36\00:13:24.67
Amen.
00:13:24.70\00:13:26.03
Because I couldn't
trust myself to the priest
00:13:26.07\00:13:29.64
for he's
interpreting the Bible for me
00:13:29.67\00:13:32.91
or a Baptist minister for
that matter or anybody else,
00:13:32.94\00:13:35.74
because everyone
says they have the truth
00:13:35.78\00:13:38.01
and so I just asked
the Lord to teach me.
00:13:38.05\00:13:40.02
Amen.
00:13:40.05\00:13:41.38
And the interesting thing
about that is that He did,
00:13:41.42\00:13:45.09
doctrine by doctrines,
00:13:45.12\00:13:46.49
several doctrines
until I began to pray
00:13:46.52\00:13:48.99
that He would lead
me to the true church.
00:13:49.02\00:13:51.59
And when he did
00:13:51.63\00:13:52.96
which I believe today is a
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
00:13:52.99\00:13:55.66
Everything He had
taught me as an individual
00:13:55.70\00:13:57.90
apart from anyone else
turned out to be the same thing
00:13:57.93\00:14:01.10
as the same doctrines
00:14:01.14\00:14:02.87
as I found in
the Adventist Church.
00:14:02.90\00:14:04.37
Oh, how I identify with that,
00:14:04.41\00:14:06.27
because when the Lord
called me to full time ministry,
00:14:06.31\00:14:09.31
He just definitely...
00:14:09.34\00:14:10.85
I guess I was more hard headed.
00:14:10.88\00:14:12.21
Well, no, actually I was praying
00:14:12.25\00:14:13.58
what do you want me to teach,
00:14:13.62\00:14:14.95
and you know,
00:14:14.98\00:14:16.32
He impressed the
thought upon my mind,
00:14:16.35\00:14:17.69
forget what you think, you know,
00:14:17.72\00:14:19.05
come sit at my feet
and I will teach you,
00:14:19.09\00:14:21.39
and that's exactly
what happened to me.
00:14:21.42\00:14:23.53
Every doctrine
that He was teaching me
00:14:23.56\00:14:26.26
from the Sabbath
whatever it had to do the truth,
00:14:26.29\00:14:29.30
the state of the dead, anything.
00:14:29.33\00:14:30.90
It was just like I'm out
00:14:30.93\00:14:32.27
teaching them
everywhere and thinking
00:14:32.30\00:14:34.27
Lord, where is there a
church that believes this
00:14:34.30\00:14:37.64
and that's how...fascinating.
00:14:37.67\00:14:39.77
Well, you know, even to this day
00:14:39.81\00:14:41.14
it blows me away.
00:14:41.18\00:14:42.51
Amen.
00:14:42.54\00:14:43.88
That I don't remember one thing
00:14:43.91\00:14:45.25
that I had thought I had learned
00:14:45.28\00:14:47.32
that I had to change,
00:14:47.35\00:14:49.42
because He was
guiding, He was teaching,
00:14:49.45\00:14:52.39
and when I came to
the Adventist church,
00:14:52.42\00:14:54.76
it was exactly the same.
00:14:54.79\00:14:56.12
Well see now, I had everything,
00:14:56.16\00:14:57.49
He was teaching me
all these doctrines
00:14:57.53\00:14:58.86
but the one thing I
was praying for is Lord,
00:14:58.89\00:15:01.16
I don't understand Revelation
00:15:01.20\00:15:03.26
so I learned that
actually through watching
00:15:03.30\00:15:05.93
and started tuning into 3ABN
00:15:05.97\00:15:07.84
and found out Adventist believed
00:15:07.87\00:15:09.74
everything that
God was teaching me,
00:15:09.77\00:15:11.94
and then I was learning
that Daniel unlocked Revelation,
00:15:11.97\00:15:15.28
so it's fabulous.
00:15:15.31\00:15:16.78
So, Steve, tells us about
Outpost Centers International,
00:15:16.81\00:15:21.28
we call it OCI for
short, but they began in 1982,
00:15:21.32\00:15:25.52
and what is the
purpose of this ministry?
00:15:25.55\00:15:27.46
OCI exists...
00:15:27.49\00:15:30.89
Well our vision for OCI is that
in every country of the world
00:15:30.93\00:15:34.30
there should be lay
people engaged in ministry.
00:15:34.33\00:15:37.27
And so our vision is to
see all around the world,
00:15:37.30\00:15:40.30
small family
ministries, larger institutions
00:15:40.34\00:15:44.67
doing supporting
work for the church.
00:15:44.71\00:15:47.31
Wherever there is a
Seventh-day Adventist,
00:15:47.34\00:15:48.94
there should be a
Seventh-day Adventist
00:15:48.98\00:15:50.35
lay person engaged in ministry.
00:15:50.38\00:15:51.71
Now explain what
you mean by lay person,
00:15:51.75\00:15:53.08
somebody watching may not know?
00:15:53.11\00:15:54.75
Thank you for
that clarification.
00:15:54.78\00:15:58.15
In God's church he's organized
00:15:58.19\00:16:00.69
that you would
have people in position,
00:16:00.72\00:16:03.19
ministers, teachers, pastors,
00:16:03.22\00:16:06.06
but the vast majority
of the church is made up
00:16:06.09\00:16:09.23
of the everyday man and woman,
00:16:09.26\00:16:11.83
child that goes to
church and has a normal job,
00:16:11.87\00:16:15.14
and God's call is for
all of us to have a part
00:16:15.17\00:16:18.71
in the great commission.
00:16:18.74\00:16:20.58
And so OCI exists to help
00:16:20.61\00:16:23.45
the bulk of the church members
00:16:23.48\00:16:25.55
realize their
calling where do they fulfill
00:16:25.58\00:16:29.72
their part in
the great commission.
00:16:29.75\00:16:31.49
So we call those church members
00:16:31.52\00:16:33.19
and those people lay people
00:16:33.22\00:16:35.02
not that they should be reclined
00:16:35.06\00:16:37.13
'cause they
should be up and going,
00:16:37.16\00:16:38.69
the blessing is
on the go, right?
00:16:38.73\00:16:40.20
That's right. All right.
00:16:40.23\00:16:41.56
So these are lay
ministries and we believe
00:16:41.60\00:16:43.87
and OCI's mission is to
have something in every country.
00:16:43.90\00:16:47.90
Right, so we're
network organization,
00:16:47.94\00:16:50.24
we try to encourage new
ministries to get started
00:16:50.27\00:16:53.84
in countries where there
aren't ministries already.
00:16:53.88\00:16:56.81
We give support
to existing ones.
00:16:56.85\00:16:59.31
We do education, training,
00:16:59.35\00:17:01.92
leadership support
for these ministries
00:17:01.95\00:17:04.22
and it's really exciting.
00:17:04.25\00:17:05.59
Currently there
is 120 ministries
00:17:05.62\00:17:08.39
in 44 different
countries you know,
00:17:08.42\00:17:10.76
expanding the globe,
00:17:10.79\00:17:12.13
and it's just
really exciting to see
00:17:12.16\00:17:14.86
young people getting engaged,
00:17:14.90\00:17:17.10
realizing that God
has call on their life,
00:17:17.13\00:17:19.73
and how they can use their
business skills in evangelism.
00:17:19.77\00:17:24.87
How can they use
their everyday work
00:17:24.91\00:17:28.08
as an outreach for evangelism?
00:17:28.11\00:17:30.68
And some of them were called
00:17:30.71\00:17:32.58
how can I devote
my life full time
00:17:32.61\00:17:36.12
in a entrepreneurial
way to do ministry?
00:17:36.15\00:17:40.02
Okay, so you said young people,
00:17:40.06\00:17:41.69
but it's not
specifically for young people...
00:17:41.72\00:17:44.03
No, of course not young.
00:17:44.06\00:17:45.39
Tell us, just kind of give us,
00:17:45.43\00:17:47.23
one of you tell us a little bit
00:17:47.26\00:17:48.90
about the range
of the ministries
00:17:48.93\00:17:51.00
because you have
institutional ministries
00:17:51.03\00:17:54.67
that you support or network,
00:17:54.70\00:17:57.11
and then you also have
little family ministries,
00:17:57.14\00:18:00.04
so give us kind of a range?
00:18:00.08\00:18:01.84
Hey, Frank, why don't you
talk a little about Columbia,
00:18:01.88\00:18:04.15
the ministries there?
00:18:04.18\00:18:06.41
Well, we have several
ministries in Columbia
00:18:06.45\00:18:09.78
and most of them have been there
00:18:09.82\00:18:11.42
for a quite a while
00:18:11.45\00:18:13.02
because OCI has been
around for quite a while.
00:18:13.05\00:18:15.96
And they range everything
from health food stories
00:18:15.99\00:18:21.33
to farms and lifestyle centers
and everything like that,
00:18:21.36\00:18:26.47
and besides that we
have also over there
00:18:26.50\00:18:30.61
one ministry that
deals with young people
00:18:30.64\00:18:34.28
who have been in trouble,
drug addicts and whatever
00:18:34.31\00:18:37.38
and they take them on
and they minister to them.
00:18:37.41\00:18:40.35
It's amazing the
conversions that you get
00:18:40.38\00:18:42.62
even from a ministry
where you would think,
00:18:42.65\00:18:45.42
it's so difficult to do
and so hard to get through,
00:18:45.45\00:18:48.26
but it works, you know,
00:18:48.29\00:18:49.82
the Lord's power
is always surprising.
00:18:49.86\00:18:52.79
Yes. Yeah.
00:18:52.83\00:18:54.20
So you're not just in
Columbia, where else are you?
00:18:54.23\00:18:56.40
No, many places
in South America,
00:18:56.43\00:18:58.77
but take
something very different
00:18:58.80\00:19:00.94
than what Frank
just shared in Prague,
00:19:00.97\00:19:03.94
in Czech Republic, very
western secularized city.
00:19:03.97\00:19:07.51
We have four health
food store, restaurants
00:19:07.54\00:19:10.85
Country Life they are
called, and as well as a...
00:19:10.88\00:19:14.42
Which God used as a
tool to convert you?
00:19:14.45\00:19:17.39
A Country Life
restaurant that's exactly right,
00:19:17.42\00:19:19.32
and so there are other people
00:19:19.35\00:19:21.92
like I was coming
into that those restaurants
00:19:21.96\00:19:24.39
or those stores,
00:19:24.43\00:19:25.93
meeting individuals,
00:19:25.96\00:19:28.16
they worship on Sabbath,
00:19:28.20\00:19:29.73
they have like a little worship
00:19:29.76\00:19:31.57
in the restaurant on Sabbath,
00:19:31.60\00:19:33.37
so they are using
different avenues,
00:19:33.40\00:19:36.00
so you have Columbia,
South America, Western Europe,
00:19:36.04\00:19:40.68
in Indonesia there is
a group of individuals
00:19:40.71\00:19:44.65
who have a small
health food store building,
00:19:44.68\00:19:47.22
and then above
the health food store
00:19:47.25\00:19:49.02
in the second floor
is a doctor's office.
00:19:49.05\00:19:52.09
People come to
the health food store
00:19:52.12\00:19:53.46
and they go to
the doctor's office,
00:19:53.49\00:19:55.22
and then above that
floor they have little church,
00:19:55.26\00:19:58.26
and then above that
floor they have a prayer room,
00:19:58.29\00:20:00.46
and therefore
these in Indonesia,
00:20:00.50\00:20:02.70
very strong Muslim country,
00:20:02.73\00:20:04.90
and yet these
dedicated individuals,
00:20:04.93\00:20:06.94
they're trying again to
fulfill the gospel commission
00:20:06.97\00:20:11.57
using their talents
and their abilities.
00:20:11.61\00:20:13.07
With a great deal of
success, I understand.
00:20:13.11\00:20:14.74
Yes, yes.
00:20:14.78\00:20:16.11
They are doing a
fantastic job, fantastic.
00:20:16.14\00:20:18.45
So then and you
have in Africa, it's...
00:20:18.48\00:20:20.15
they're around the world,
00:20:20.18\00:20:21.52
but tell us about
the Riverside Farms?
00:20:21.55\00:20:23.72
Riverside Farm is
a beautiful place,
00:20:23.75\00:20:26.72
probably one of most
beautiful places in the world.
00:20:26.76\00:20:28.49
I realize I'm prejudice,
00:20:28.52\00:20:30.13
lived there for about 10
years, close to 10 years,
00:20:30.16\00:20:33.19
and it's on the
banks of the Kafue River.
00:20:33.23\00:20:35.73
And Riverside is a
very diverse organization.
00:20:35.76\00:20:39.23
They have a lifestyle center,
00:20:39.27\00:20:41.34
so that they can reach
00:20:41.37\00:20:42.70
the middle and
upper class Zambians.
00:20:42.74\00:20:44.77
Then they have an
educational program
00:20:44.81\00:20:47.14
where they teach
evangelism and farming
00:20:47.18\00:20:50.11
and tailoring as skill
sets for different people.
00:20:50.15\00:20:54.15
Then of course, they
have a very large farm
00:20:54.18\00:20:56.62
which is their
means of self support.
00:20:56.65\00:20:58.95
And the farm
generates the income
00:20:58.99\00:21:01.42
for their evangelistic
and educational outreaches.
00:21:01.46\00:21:04.76
Beautiful place.
00:21:04.79\00:21:06.49
I have some dear friends,
00:21:06.53\00:21:07.86
I just give a shout
out to Hein and Melissa,
00:21:07.90\00:21:10.27
who are also, they
are around a more...
00:21:10.30\00:21:13.03
they are in that same
area or they're in Africa
00:21:13.07\00:21:15.20
and it's a more
of a family based,
00:21:15.24\00:21:18.31
but they've
started the school there,
00:21:18.34\00:21:19.87
and then they have
boat where they take,
00:21:19.91\00:21:22.34
they go up and down
00:21:22.38\00:21:23.71
ministering to the needs
of the people in the area.
00:21:23.75\00:21:26.15
And it's just OCI, I
have met so many people
00:21:26.18\00:21:29.45
and so many
ministries and I've interviewed
00:21:29.48\00:21:31.92
so many ministries who will say,
00:21:31.95\00:21:34.16
well, we're members of
Outpost Centers International,
00:21:34.19\00:21:37.49
so it's a great way that
00:21:37.53\00:21:39.83
people can instead
of having to go to...
00:21:39.86\00:21:43.70
instead of going
through the 501c3,
00:21:43.73\00:21:46.10
they can just have
people donate through you.
00:21:46.13\00:21:49.47
Sure, the foreign introduce
a lot of those organizations
00:21:49.50\00:21:53.54
run their donations through OCI.
00:21:53.58\00:21:55.54
We're privileged
to do that for them.
00:21:55.58\00:21:57.81
And again,
00:21:57.85\00:21:59.48
we also try to
help new ministries
00:21:59.51\00:22:00.98
get started and sit
on the lot of boards,
00:22:01.02\00:22:03.65
trying to give council,
try to help guide people
00:22:03.69\00:22:06.92
in different kind of
difficult situations,
00:22:06.96\00:22:10.06
but what's really
exciting is the work
00:22:10.09\00:22:12.33
that all those
ministries were doing.
00:22:12.36\00:22:13.73
I mean we sit in the office,
00:22:13.76\00:22:16.26
well, we travel actually a lot,
00:22:16.30\00:22:17.73
but our office is in
Tennessee, it's a small office.
00:22:17.77\00:22:21.74
The vibrancy of the
organization is the work
00:22:21.77\00:22:25.51
that the ministries are doing.
00:22:25.54\00:22:26.88
Absolutely.
00:22:26.91\00:22:28.24
And it's thrilling to see it
growing all around the world.
00:22:28.28\00:22:30.25
It is growing, I
was gonna say if you...
00:22:30.28\00:22:32.38
I know that, I don't
know what your schedules like,
00:22:32.41\00:22:34.98
but I think I
travel a lot, and I think,
00:22:35.02\00:22:37.59
Frank, you probably do
more international travel
00:22:37.62\00:22:39.52
than anybody I've seen.
00:22:39.55\00:22:41.72
Now, if you think
this is exciting and it is.
00:22:41.76\00:22:47.06
They're getting ready
or they had just kicked off
00:22:47.10\00:22:50.03
or are in the
process of launching
00:22:50.07\00:22:52.53
I'll say a new
ministry in Israel.
00:22:52.57\00:22:57.14
Why I know with you
with a Jewish background,
00:22:57.17\00:23:01.44
this must be so
exciting for you,
00:23:01.48\00:23:04.61
so before you explain to us
00:23:04.65\00:23:07.98
what this ministry is in Israel,
00:23:08.02\00:23:10.49
tell us why you
feel now is the time?
00:23:10.52\00:23:14.69
So it's a mixed answer.
00:23:14.72\00:23:17.53
Clearly there is a
very personal aspect of that
00:23:17.56\00:23:20.60
and again being born Jewish,
00:23:20.63\00:23:21.96
I lived in Israel
before my conversion.
00:23:22.00\00:23:26.17
And I always had this desire
to see something start there.
00:23:26.20\00:23:31.24
And in the early 1900s
00:23:31.27\00:23:35.81
Ellen G. White was addressing
00:23:35.84\00:23:37.55
a General Conference
of Seventh-day Adventists.
00:23:37.58\00:23:40.35
And in that conference
she made up specific appeal
00:23:40.38\00:23:44.75
to her hearers to
the church at large
00:23:44.79\00:23:47.72
to not neglect the
work for the Jewish people.
00:23:47.76\00:23:51.36
Can I read that quote,
00:23:51.39\00:23:52.76
because I actually
carry that in my Bible, I too.
00:23:52.79\00:23:57.17
We've been to Israel
for the last five years,
00:23:57.20\00:24:00.04
and also have a
heart for those people.
00:24:00.07\00:24:02.27
What she wrote was
00:24:02.30\00:24:03.64
in the gospel's
closing proclamation,
00:24:03.67\00:24:06.27
God expects His messengers
to take particular interest
00:24:06.31\00:24:10.28
in the Jewish people.
00:24:10.31\00:24:11.85
Many of the Jews will
see the Christ of the gospel
00:24:11.88\00:24:15.08
in the pages of
the Old Testament
00:24:15.12\00:24:17.12
and will grasp
how the New Testament
00:24:17.15\00:24:19.55
explains the old.
00:24:19.59\00:24:21.12
They will recognize Christ
as the Savior of the world.
00:24:21.16\00:24:26.16
So the first
part of that phrase,
00:24:26.19\00:24:27.66
would you read it again?
00:24:27.70\00:24:29.10
In the gospel's
closing proclamation
00:24:29.13\00:24:31.63
God expects His messengers
00:24:31.67\00:24:33.40
to take particular
interest in the Jewish people.
00:24:33.44\00:24:37.61
So in the gospel's
closing proclamation
00:24:37.64\00:24:40.54
I think as you and your
viewers will understand,
00:24:40.58\00:24:43.91
we live in that time.
00:24:43.95\00:24:46.28
Yes, we do.
00:24:46.31\00:24:47.65
And again she read that
00:24:47.68\00:24:49.18
or she spoke it to the
General Conference session
00:24:49.22\00:24:51.15
in the nearly 1900s,
00:24:51.19\00:24:53.96
it's passed due for
the church at large to say,
00:24:53.99\00:24:58.73
this is a group of people
that need particular work.
00:24:58.76\00:25:02.13
And so in Israel, for example
00:25:02.16\00:25:04.70
there are 900 plus
or minus church members
00:25:04.73\00:25:07.14
in the Seventh-day
Adventist church there
00:25:07.17\00:25:09.40
and yet only a
handful of Israeli born
00:25:09.44\00:25:13.44
Seventh-day Adventists.
00:25:13.48\00:25:15.28
There is one Israeli born
Seventh-day Adventist pastor.
00:25:15.31\00:25:20.25
And now the
church bought a building
00:25:20.28\00:25:22.05
in outside of the
old city of Jerusalem
00:25:22.08\00:25:24.62
in the early
1900s to do this work.
00:25:24.65\00:25:27.39
So we had a foothold
00:25:27.42\00:25:29.39
or a presence
there for a long time,
00:25:29.42\00:25:32.16
yet I think all
of us would recognize
00:25:32.19\00:25:34.56
the work hasn't advanced
the way we would desire.
00:25:34.60\00:25:37.53
Several years
ago, Richard Oliver
00:25:37.57\00:25:39.53
who was then the field president
00:25:39.57\00:25:41.87
for the Israeli
field came to OCI and said,
00:25:41.90\00:25:44.47
would you come help
00:25:44.51\00:25:46.01
start a health
outreach in Israel.
00:25:46.04\00:25:48.54
So OCI partnered with Herghelia,
00:25:48.58\00:25:51.41
which is a lifestyle center
in Romania own by Dr. Nick Dan,
00:25:51.45\00:25:56.35
and with one in Moldova
run by his sister Magdalena Dan
00:25:56.38\00:26:00.26
and with another organization
00:26:00.29\00:26:02.19
called Health
Education Resources
00:26:02.22\00:26:05.06
by Charles Cleveland,
and we formed a little team,
00:26:05.09\00:26:07.76
went to Israel
and did a health expo
00:26:07.80\00:26:09.86
in the city of Haifa,
00:26:09.90\00:26:11.43
and it was very well received.
00:26:11.47\00:26:13.97
From that we
launched a health club
00:26:14.00\00:26:16.20
which meant every Sunday
afternoon for several years,
00:26:16.24\00:26:21.08
then we rented a facility
00:26:21.11\00:26:23.01
to try to start
a lifestyle session
00:26:23.04\00:26:26.55
and we had about 15 guests come
00:26:26.58\00:26:29.62
Israeli secular individuals.
00:26:29.65\00:26:32.02
Came, loved the program,
00:26:32.05\00:26:34.02
and for the past six years,
00:26:34.06\00:26:35.39
we've been looking
for the right place.
00:26:35.42\00:26:37.49
Amen.
00:26:37.53\00:26:38.86
So God has definitely
led you to the right place,
00:26:38.89\00:26:44.37
the ministry before we actually
look at the pictures of this,
00:26:44.40\00:26:47.90
let's talk about what ministry
your are beginning there
00:26:47.94\00:26:52.81
that you are launching
kind of debt tailing off
00:26:52.84\00:26:57.28
which you've already
done with the health.
00:26:57.31\00:26:59.05
And Ellen White said that
00:26:59.08\00:27:02.22
the health message is
the right arm of the gospel,
00:27:02.25\00:27:05.15
and we can see that when people
00:27:05.19\00:27:07.76
especially the
Jewish people who,
00:27:07.79\00:27:09.82
they're precious people,
they are very loving people,
00:27:09.86\00:27:12.93
but they are also
very close minded.
00:27:12.96\00:27:16.73
I heard a great quote,
I just love this quote,
00:27:16.77\00:27:20.07
and I don't know who said it,
00:27:20.10\00:27:21.44
but I just heard
somebody repeated.
00:27:21.47\00:27:23.41
It's a preconceived opinions
00:27:23.44\00:27:26.07
effectively insulate
the mind against truth,
00:27:26.11\00:27:29.74
so you have to
break down the barriers
00:27:29.78\00:27:33.48
for someone who has been taught
that Christianity is wrong,
00:27:33.52\00:27:37.62
that Christ was an impostor
00:27:37.65\00:27:42.09
and you have therefore
00:27:42.12\00:27:45.46
the health message is a
way that you can reach out
00:27:45.49\00:27:48.46
and touch people
without offending them,
00:27:48.50\00:27:51.00
touch their hearts for change.
00:27:51.03\00:27:53.23
So explain what the ministry is,
00:27:53.27\00:27:55.57
then we'll look at the pictures
of where God has led you.
00:27:55.60\00:27:58.64
So our vision, we realize that
00:27:58.67\00:28:02.91
it would be very
difficult to minister
00:28:02.94\00:28:04.61
to the Orthodox Jews, very hard.
00:28:04.65\00:28:08.92
So our focus really
is on the secular Israeli
00:28:08.95\00:28:12.55
which is
majority of the country,
00:28:12.59\00:28:15.72
and we really want to serve them
00:28:15.76\00:28:18.49
in a health line,
00:28:18.53\00:28:21.16
and so our vision
is to operate a...
00:28:21.20\00:28:24.30
It's called a
healthy bean breakfast
00:28:24.33\00:28:28.30
where somebody comes
they want to go on vacation,
00:28:28.34\00:28:31.44
get out of the city
from away from Tel Aviv.
00:28:31.47\00:28:34.41
And they want sometime away,
00:28:34.44\00:28:36.04
they come to our healthy
bean breakfast let's called it.
00:28:36.08\00:28:38.91
And we give them
a good healthy diet.
00:28:38.95\00:28:42.88
We have lectures
available for them,
00:28:42.92\00:28:45.79
massage offered for them,
00:28:45.82\00:28:47.56
cooking classes
so that they can help
00:28:47.59\00:28:50.26
prepare their next
meal, prepare lunch,
00:28:50.29\00:28:52.86
and through this avenue of
both educations and classes,
00:28:52.89\00:28:57.63
the massage,
some water treatments,
00:28:57.67\00:29:00.70
good diet to begin to break down
00:29:00.74\00:29:03.74
some of those prejudices
00:29:03.77\00:29:05.44
and to really
show this community
00:29:05.47\00:29:08.58
that people are
interested just in serving them.
00:29:08.61\00:29:11.68
And if they come
00:29:11.71\00:29:13.05
and they are there for
a short period of time,
00:29:13.08\00:29:14.78
a couple of days, week,
ten days and move on and think,
00:29:14.82\00:29:17.62
well, that was a real blessing.
00:29:17.65\00:29:19.35
Well, that's a step.
00:29:19.39\00:29:20.82
It's a very different ministry
00:29:20.86\00:29:23.53
than a 12 week
evangelistic series for example.
00:29:23.56\00:29:27.83
Yes.
00:29:27.86\00:29:29.20
This is gonna be
a very long term,
00:29:29.23\00:29:31.70
let's make friends,
let's draw close to people,
00:29:31.73\00:29:35.77
let's win their confidence
and then try to introduce them
00:29:35.80\00:29:40.74
to Jesus Christ,
Jesus as a Messiah.
00:29:40.78\00:29:43.51
This is a very effective, Frank,
00:29:43.55\00:29:46.72
I call it friendship evangelism,
00:29:46.75\00:29:48.22
but that's very
effective isn't it Frank,
00:29:48.25\00:29:51.15
when you're just reflecting
the love of Jesus Christ.
00:29:51.19\00:29:54.26
And I know
Magdalena Dan quite well,
00:29:54.29\00:29:56.96
and Magdalena has told me that
00:29:56.99\00:29:59.49
she's with Herghelia in Romania.
00:29:59.53\00:30:03.03
And she has said
that they get some people
00:30:03.06\00:30:06.43
that are coming in there
00:30:06.47\00:30:07.84
who as she's treating
them being so kind to them.
00:30:07.87\00:30:11.74
It's like why are you,
it's everybody here so nice.
00:30:11.77\00:30:14.38
Why are you so
loving and so caring?
00:30:14.41\00:30:16.91
And so it opens up doors,
00:30:16.95\00:30:18.41
actually, you
don't have to just,
00:30:18.45\00:30:20.88
Frank and I were
talking before the program that,
00:30:20.92\00:30:24.55
you know, some
people take the approach
00:30:24.59\00:30:27.02
when they learn truth
that they just want to go out
00:30:27.06\00:30:29.86
and beat people over
the head with the Bible.
00:30:29.89\00:30:32.69
And you couldn't beat
somebody over the head
00:30:32.73\00:30:34.86
with a violin to convince
them how beautiful the music is.
00:30:34.90\00:30:39.30
You can't beat
people over the head
00:30:39.33\00:30:41.30
with the Bible to convince
them of the love of God.
00:30:41.34\00:30:44.37
But when you just reflect,
00:30:44.41\00:30:47.84
when you let the love
of God be in your heart
00:30:47.88\00:30:50.05
and the Holy
Spirit's indwelling you
00:30:50.08\00:30:52.15
and you reach out and
do what Jesus would do,
00:30:52.18\00:30:54.85
that's very effective, isn't it?
00:30:54.88\00:30:56.38
Well, you know,
00:30:56.42\00:30:58.02
we talk about
going in there gently
00:30:58.05\00:30:59.72
and that's our purpose,
that's what we're going to do,
00:30:59.75\00:31:02.96
but we're
living in the last days
00:31:02.99\00:31:05.23
and gentle is
going to be more urgent
00:31:05.26\00:31:08.63
as we go on very soon,
00:31:08.66\00:31:10.07
I don't know what
the Lord is going to do.
00:31:10.10\00:31:12.13
We're going to go in
there and try to make friends in
00:31:12.17\00:31:15.00
and be as congenial
as we can to win them.
00:31:15.04\00:31:18.21
Well, let me tell you something.
00:31:18.24\00:31:20.68
If we're living as closely
to the second coming of Jesus
00:31:20.71\00:31:23.35
as we think we are,
00:31:23.38\00:31:25.11
there is going to be a push
00:31:25.15\00:31:27.22
by the Holy Spirit
towards the Israeli people,
00:31:27.25\00:31:31.09
and we just want
to be part of it.
00:31:31.12\00:31:33.79
I don't know what
the Lord is going to do
00:31:33.82\00:31:36.06
but we're going to
be there available,
00:31:36.09\00:31:38.63
and if we are available
00:31:38.66\00:31:40.23
then we'll let you
know how it turns out,
00:31:40.26\00:31:42.16
we'll come back.
00:31:42.20\00:31:43.53
Okay.
00:31:43.57\00:31:45.10
Well, and I may be over there.
00:31:45.13\00:31:46.47
Well, we'll look for you.
00:31:46.50\00:31:47.84
We...
00:31:47.87\00:31:49.20
J.D and I have had the distinct,
00:31:49.24\00:31:52.64
just joy and
privilege of going to Israel
00:31:52.67\00:31:55.18
for the last five years
and it's a beautiful place.
00:31:55.21\00:31:58.01
But you mentioned
00:31:58.05\00:31:59.78
you've been looking
for a place for six years,
00:31:59.81\00:32:01.98
it is not easy to find
00:32:02.02\00:32:04.35
real estate to
purchase in Israel.
00:32:04.39\00:32:06.59
There are several obstacles
00:32:06.62\00:32:08.62
to purchasing a place in Israel.
00:32:08.66\00:32:11.93
First of all
there are restrictions.
00:32:11.96\00:32:16.30
Land is very
expensive and very rare.
00:32:16.33\00:32:19.17
You don't find
the large open spaces
00:32:19.20\00:32:21.44
like you do in
the United States.
00:32:21.47\00:32:23.20
And we looked at a facility
00:32:23.24\00:32:26.44
in the northern
part of the country
00:32:26.47\00:32:27.94
and found out there were some
legal complications with it.
00:32:27.98\00:32:30.45
The owner had
built not on his property
00:32:30.48\00:32:34.42
and we found that in actually
00:32:34.45\00:32:36.99
in several
properties that we looked at.
00:32:37.02\00:32:39.15
What's really
exciting about this property
00:32:39.19\00:32:42.09
is that the ministry,
00:32:42.12\00:32:45.79
the property
rather is privately owned.
00:32:45.83\00:32:48.93
The majority of all the
land in Israel is actually
00:32:48.96\00:32:51.33
owned by the government.
00:32:51.37\00:32:52.80
This land is privately owned
00:32:52.83\00:32:54.70
which gives us
a bit more freedom
00:32:54.74\00:32:57.44
to run this kind of
healthy bed and breakfast
00:32:57.47\00:33:00.04
that we're talking about.
00:33:00.08\00:33:01.54
And again it's very unique...
00:33:01.58\00:33:03.75
When you say
healthy bed and breakfast,
00:33:03.78\00:33:05.15
it's a lifestyle
center on a small scale,
00:33:05.18\00:33:06.78
is that what you're saying?
00:33:06.82\00:33:08.15
That's exactly. All right.
00:33:08.18\00:33:09.52
I just want to make sure.
00:33:09.55\00:33:10.89
Right, it's healthy bed...
00:33:10.92\00:33:12.99
what we're zone for,
00:33:13.02\00:33:15.72
let's say is a bed and breakfast
00:33:15.76\00:33:18.63
and our
intention is to be creative
00:33:18.66\00:33:23.10
in how we bring in
a lifestyle session
00:33:23.13\00:33:26.63
within the parameters of
what we have permission to do.
00:33:26.67\00:33:28.97
Well, you know,
00:33:29.00\00:33:30.34
what people don't
realize is that if you,
00:33:30.37\00:33:33.54
it's really
difficult to find properties,
00:33:33.58\00:33:37.35
it's even more
difficult to build in Israel
00:33:37.38\00:33:39.81
because if you buy land,
00:33:39.85\00:33:41.68
if you stick a
shovel in the ground,
00:33:41.72\00:33:43.79
I guarantee you
you're going to turn up
00:33:43.82\00:33:45.49
some kind of an artifact...
00:33:45.52\00:33:46.86
Archaeological missions.
00:33:46.89\00:33:48.22
And yeah, and so everything
00:33:48.26\00:33:50.23
it seems like every
building project is just
00:33:50.26\00:33:53.13
put on hold as soon
as they start digging
00:33:53.16\00:33:55.26
because they're finding things
00:33:55.30\00:33:56.63
but so you were
searching for six years,
00:33:56.67\00:33:59.00
and from what I have seen,
00:33:59.03\00:34:01.17
God took you to
the perfect property.
00:34:01.20\00:34:04.57
Let's look at the pictures
of what you have purchased
00:34:04.61\00:34:08.44
in the Galilee area.
00:34:08.48\00:34:09.91
Now this is
Migdal, is that correct?
00:34:09.94\00:34:11.41
That's correct.
00:34:11.45\00:34:12.78
Just near the Sea of Galilee,
00:34:12.81\00:34:14.38
the northern part
of the Sea of Galilee
00:34:14.42\00:34:16.25
not too far from Capernaum
00:34:16.28\00:34:17.69
where the Sermon
on the Mount was,
00:34:17.72\00:34:19.39
and this is just a
picture of the surrounding area
00:34:19.42\00:34:22.66
beyond the hill not
too far away is Nazareth.
00:34:22.69\00:34:25.69
And then in the
front part of the picture
00:34:25.73\00:34:27.96
are these mango trees
which form a mango orchard
00:34:28.00\00:34:31.33
that surrounds the property.
00:34:31.37\00:34:32.83
So you're looking right
off the balcony there...
00:34:32.87\00:34:34.67
That's correct.
00:34:34.70\00:34:36.04
And then this is
from the balcony as well.
00:34:36.07\00:34:38.47
One of the others
shots of the mango orchard
00:34:38.51\00:34:40.64
which is really important
00:34:40.68\00:34:42.48
because the mango
orchard on two sides are
00:34:42.51\00:34:45.75
kind of dedicated in
memorial of Holocaust victims,
00:34:45.78\00:34:49.28
victims of the World War II.
00:34:49.32\00:34:51.09
And so nobody is
going to build there
00:34:51.12\00:34:52.65
which is
tremendously encouraging,
00:34:52.69\00:34:54.16
gives us a little bit of space.
00:34:54.19\00:34:55.82
Oh, this is a beautiful home.
00:34:55.86\00:34:57.19
This is from the
back front of the property
00:34:57.23\00:35:01.43
through that field,
00:35:01.46\00:35:02.86
then you can see
the mangoes again
00:35:02.90\00:35:05.03
just coming up to the property.
00:35:05.07\00:35:06.47
Now how big is the property?
00:35:06.50\00:35:08.07
I mean how big is the house?
00:35:08.10\00:35:09.44
So what the house itself
00:35:09.47\00:35:11.07
has four bedrooms
and three bathrooms,
00:35:11.11\00:35:13.41
and then it has five guest rooms
00:35:13.44\00:35:15.84
and just above the white wall
00:35:15.88\00:35:17.21
in the picture are
those five guest rooms
00:35:17.25\00:35:19.48
and each guest
room is equipped for
00:35:19.51\00:35:23.49
with Jacuzzi and
full bed, and en suite.
00:35:23.52\00:35:26.35
So that's where the
guests would be staying.
00:35:26.39\00:35:29.52
So the four bedrooms
would be used for staff.
00:35:29.56\00:35:31.86
Staff or we could also use them,
00:35:31.89\00:35:33.23
this is a living room,
00:35:33.26\00:35:34.60
we're probably doing
lectures on the property.
00:35:34.63\00:35:36.77
Okay.
00:35:36.80\00:35:39.20
And that's one of
the en suite chalets
00:35:39.23\00:35:43.07
we could call them or zimmers
00:35:43.10\00:35:44.97
as they call
them there in Israel.
00:35:45.01\00:35:46.57
Lovely. Yeah.
00:35:46.61\00:35:47.94
Very nicely done
00:35:47.98\00:35:49.64
and this is a place
where we'll be doing
00:35:49.68\00:35:52.21
again maybe some
lectures, the swimming pool,
00:35:52.25\00:35:53.98
there's a
Jacuzzi, exercise as well.
00:35:54.02\00:35:57.42
it's very beautiful
and being up on the hill,
00:35:57.45\00:35:59.35
it gets a nice cool
breeze which is very exciting.
00:35:59.39\00:36:02.79
And you're very close to
the Sea of Galilee which...
00:36:02.82\00:36:05.59
We are and so there is a
shot from the Sea of Galilee.
00:36:05.63\00:36:08.13
It is very clear
day, very unusual,
00:36:08.16\00:36:10.03
but that's Mount Hermon
in the distance Anti-Lebanon.
00:36:10.07\00:36:13.97
I say, I've just
been blessed to be.
00:36:14.00\00:36:16.27
We've had beautiful
weather, I think on every trip.
00:36:16.30\00:36:20.01
I've done ten tours of Israel
and every trip except one,
00:36:20.04\00:36:24.51
and it was just
one bad day, you know,
00:36:24.55\00:36:26.08
so we've been very blessed.
00:36:26.11\00:36:27.88
That's a beautiful spot,
00:36:27.92\00:36:29.72
and I think that
the Lord certainly,
00:36:29.75\00:36:31.92
it was worth waiting
the six years for that spot.
00:36:31.95\00:36:35.12
And what was very exciting is
00:36:35.16\00:36:36.76
when I came to see it and
others have come to see it,
00:36:36.79\00:36:40.30
we all felt this is the place.
00:36:40.33\00:36:43.90
We're all very convinced
00:36:43.93\00:36:46.07
this is where God
wanted us to have this,
00:36:46.10\00:36:48.47
and it's been amazing
now pouring of support
00:36:48.50\00:36:51.57
from donors to
help us purchase it
00:36:51.61\00:36:53.27
but it's been
very exciting to see
00:36:53.31\00:36:55.94
all the pieces
finally coming together.
00:36:55.98\00:36:58.91
So you've been there
personally and seen this,
00:36:58.95\00:37:00.82
have you as well, Frank?
00:37:00.85\00:37:02.18
No, I haven't,
I am just waiting.
00:37:02.22\00:37:03.55
You're just
waiting. He's waiting.
00:37:03.59\00:37:04.92
That's right.
00:37:04.95\00:37:06.49
And this is
something that is opening
00:37:06.52\00:37:08.92
when you're opening soon.
00:37:08.96\00:37:10.79
We're taking up possession
in August the next month
00:37:10.83\00:37:13.76
and will begin in September.
00:37:13.80\00:37:15.36
Wonderful. Very exciting.
00:37:15.40\00:37:17.30
That is, it's a
beautiful facility
00:37:17.33\00:37:19.83
so who will be yours.
00:37:19.87\00:37:22.47
How are you staffing there?
00:37:22.50\00:37:24.17
So we have a
group of individuals
00:37:24.21\00:37:26.17
that are Israeli citizens
00:37:26.21\00:37:28.21
who have been
trained at Herghelia,
00:37:28.24\00:37:31.15
the lifestyle center in Romania
00:37:31.18\00:37:32.91
and have worked in partnership
00:37:32.95\00:37:34.88
with our lifestyle
center in Ukraine, Novi Obihody.
00:37:34.92\00:37:38.15
So there is some
Ukrainians living in Israel.
00:37:38.19\00:37:41.39
Novi Obihody, our home...
00:37:41.42\00:37:43.83
Novi Obihody, well...
00:37:43.86\00:37:45.19
Our home, sorry
00:37:45.23\00:37:47.03
and so there's Israelis citizens
00:37:47.06\00:37:51.10
who are from
Ukraine, from Romania,
00:37:51.13\00:37:55.54
from Russia who
are living in Israel
00:37:55.57\00:37:58.11
as well as Israeli
citizens excuse me,
00:37:58.14\00:38:01.31
Israeli natural born citizens,
00:38:01.34\00:38:03.04
who are helping make up the team
00:38:03.08\00:38:05.31
that's going to run the project.
00:38:05.35\00:38:06.92
And of course,
Magdalena Dan will be helping
00:38:06.95\00:38:09.45
and giving some guidance with it
00:38:09.48\00:38:11.39
to the operation of it as well.
00:38:11.42\00:38:13.12
Wonderful, and this
is going to be something
00:38:13.15\00:38:15.16
that as you say, I
know we keep saying,
00:38:15.19\00:38:17.33
it's going to be
something gentle,
00:38:17.36\00:38:18.93
you're starting slowly,
00:38:18.96\00:38:20.46
but I agree with what Frank
just said while ago is that,
00:38:20.50\00:38:23.63
as fast as things are happening,
00:38:23.67\00:38:25.93
it's wonderful
when you have in place
00:38:25.97\00:38:30.14
that connection the
friendship with people.
00:38:30.17\00:38:33.31
And then when
something does happen,
00:38:33.34\00:38:35.04
and we've seen this in
our own lives just did.
00:38:35.08\00:38:37.25
If you develop that friendship,
some kind of tragedy comes,
00:38:37.28\00:38:40.88
they turn to you
00:38:40.92\00:38:42.25
because they know
there's something different.
00:38:42.28\00:38:43.62
And then they're very
quickly ready to accept the Lord
00:38:43.65\00:38:47.02
and then we know God's going
to do a great work in Israel
00:38:47.06\00:38:49.42
before He returns.
00:38:49.46\00:38:50.79
Amen. Amen.
00:38:50.83\00:38:52.16
So, yeah, just the point
00:38:52.19\00:38:53.53
that you said
about the importance
00:38:53.56\00:38:55.40
of making
connections with people,
00:38:55.43\00:38:57.07
friends with people
00:38:57.10\00:38:58.47
so that when a crisis does come,
00:38:58.50\00:39:00.67
they know who to turn to
00:39:00.70\00:39:02.70
and what questions to ask,
00:39:02.74\00:39:04.51
and that you're
there ready with an answer.
00:39:04.54\00:39:07.04
But unless we
are very intentional,
00:39:07.08\00:39:09.71
how can I make a bridge
with this group of people
00:39:09.74\00:39:12.18
that are very
different than I am?
00:39:12.21\00:39:14.25
How can somebody
reach this community
00:39:14.28\00:39:18.12
we won't be there?
00:39:18.15\00:39:19.49
We won't be prepared
when that crisis comes,
00:39:19.52\00:39:21.49
so it's very
important for each of us
00:39:21.52\00:39:23.39
to take advantage
of the opportunities
00:39:23.43\00:39:26.16
before us in our own sphere
00:39:26.19\00:39:28.06
to think, okay,
00:39:28.10\00:39:29.76
what's my part of
the great commission.
00:39:29.80\00:39:31.57
How can I impact people
in my community in my life?
00:39:31.60\00:39:34.64
And as Frank mentioned earlier,
00:39:34.67\00:39:36.37
when things really
begin to accelerate
00:39:36.40\00:39:39.94
in a spiritual way in Israel,
00:39:39.97\00:39:41.51
we want to have
our presence there.
00:39:41.54\00:39:43.61
Absolutely, absolutely,
so it sounds very exciting.
00:39:43.65\00:39:46.98
What are some of the other plans
00:39:47.02\00:39:48.88
that OCI has on your calendar?
00:39:48.92\00:39:54.12
Well, one of the
things that we do
00:39:54.16\00:39:55.79
as well to help
minister to the organizations.
00:39:55.82\00:39:58.79
We have leaders retreats,
00:39:58.83\00:40:01.60
and we've started these
retreats in different countries
00:40:01.63\00:40:06.67
and so every year,
00:40:06.70\00:40:08.27
well, this year I think
we're going to have eight
00:40:08.30\00:40:11.84
so different
retreats in different places
00:40:11.87\00:40:14.24
in Mexico, Colombia,
00:40:14.28\00:40:16.21
Bolivia, Southeast Asia,
00:40:16.24\00:40:20.05
and these are all ways
of trying to strengthen
00:40:20.08\00:40:22.85
and minister to those
organizations to men and women
00:40:22.88\00:40:26.15
in the churches in those areas
00:40:26.19\00:40:27.92
that are looking
for God's guidance
00:40:27.96\00:40:30.19
to get them into ministry.
00:40:30.23\00:40:31.79
Praise the Lord.
00:40:31.83\00:40:33.33
So have you launched,
00:40:33.36\00:40:35.00
I mean you're getting ready
to launch the Israel project,
00:40:35.03\00:40:38.13
have you launched
other new ministries
00:40:38.17\00:40:39.73
in the last year?
00:40:39.77\00:40:42.57
New ministries
have become part of OCI
00:40:42.60\00:40:45.54
and in several different places,
00:40:45.57\00:40:48.24
but this is a major ministry
00:40:48.28\00:40:50.55
that OCI has really been
engaged with it helping launch.
00:40:50.58\00:40:52.81
So you're not always then,
00:40:52.85\00:40:54.78
it's not always the
incubation stage for OCI.
00:40:54.82\00:40:58.39
Sometimes, it's somebody
that's already incubated
00:40:58.42\00:41:00.66
and then they come and join you
00:41:00.69\00:41:02.16
so that they can
have a network of support.
00:41:02.19\00:41:04.69
We actually
rarely launch anything
00:41:04.73\00:41:07.00
that's not been our...
00:41:07.03\00:41:08.36
Okay. This one is special.
00:41:08.40\00:41:09.73
Well, that's right.
00:41:09.76\00:41:11.10
And when you see an
opportunity like we've just had.
00:41:11.13\00:41:15.30
We just jump on it
because it's important.
00:41:15.34\00:41:18.54
This is something,
you know, you can't,
00:41:18.57\00:41:20.78
we talk about knowing Israelis
00:41:20.81\00:41:23.11
as if they were
someone out there
00:41:23.14\00:41:24.61
but you can't read
your Bible all your life
00:41:24.65\00:41:26.55
and not identify with
Israel, you just can't.
00:41:26.58\00:41:29.42
Everyone identifies with Israel
00:41:29.45\00:41:31.15
who has been
reading their Bible.
00:41:31.19\00:41:32.65
And so it makes it
00:41:32.69\00:41:34.59
universally
important in this world.
00:41:34.62\00:41:36.96
And, you know,
I'll tell you something,
00:41:36.99\00:41:38.76
it's, there's...
00:41:38.79\00:41:40.56
I don't know if you're
ever going to open it up
00:41:40.60\00:41:42.40
to where somebody could come
00:41:42.43\00:41:43.90
and visit if
they're from the States
00:41:43.93\00:41:45.27
but your lifestyle
center there are your
00:41:45.30\00:41:48.00
healthy bed and
breakfast, excuse me.
00:41:48.04\00:41:50.51
But there's nothing
like a trip to Israel
00:41:50.54\00:41:54.14
to make the Bible come alive.
00:41:54.18\00:41:55.64
Amen.
00:41:55.68\00:41:57.01
It's just
something that you don't,
00:41:57.05\00:41:58.38
you cannot
imagine so much history
00:41:58.41\00:42:00.95
happened in such
a tiny little place,
00:42:00.98\00:42:03.89
you know, it's very fascinating.
00:42:03.92\00:42:05.95
It is, and having
gone to Israel many times,
00:42:05.99\00:42:09.92
having lived there
00:42:09.96\00:42:11.29
and then gone there many times
00:42:11.33\00:42:12.66
over the past several
years for this purpose.
00:42:12.69\00:42:14.30
It's very
intriguing to bring somebody
00:42:14.33\00:42:17.57
and show them
some of the places,
00:42:17.60\00:42:19.70
you know, the stones from the...
00:42:19.73\00:42:21.94
where the temple was overthrown
00:42:21.97\00:42:23.41
and just realized, you know,
00:42:23.44\00:42:24.77
this is a
fulfillment of prophecy,
00:42:24.81\00:42:27.71
and that's astounding to
us and particularly to see
00:42:27.74\00:42:31.91
how God has worked
through archaeology
00:42:31.95\00:42:36.12
to confirm what we
read in scriptures.
00:42:36.15\00:42:40.19
Over again, you know,
00:42:40.22\00:42:41.99
new
archaeological discoveries like,
00:42:42.02\00:42:43.43
yes this is...
00:42:43.46\00:42:45.06
This is recently
in the last few years,
00:42:45.09\00:42:46.90
they've had all
these discoveries on David
00:42:46.93\00:42:48.96
where before it was kind of like
00:42:49.00\00:42:50.33
did he even really exist...
00:42:50.37\00:42:51.80
That's right.
00:42:51.83\00:42:53.17
David, you know
so, it is fascinating
00:42:53.20\00:42:54.54
and what happens is
archaeology seems to just,
00:42:54.57\00:42:58.67
continue putting the naysayers
in their place does it good.
00:42:58.71\00:43:03.98
Yeah, it's great.
00:43:04.01\00:43:05.45
Well, we're very
excited about this ministry
00:43:05.48\00:43:08.98
and I know that,
00:43:09.02\00:43:10.35
if particularly
Jim Gilley were here,
00:43:10.39\00:43:11.72
he would be...
00:43:11.75\00:43:13.09
he'd be doing
that with two handers.
00:43:13.12\00:43:16.56
What we'd like to do is
give people an opportunity
00:43:16.59\00:43:19.56
to get in touch with you.
00:43:19.59\00:43:21.50
If they would like to,
00:43:21.53\00:43:23.60
if you'd like to
support this ministry in any way
00:43:23.63\00:43:26.47
or perhaps if you've
got just you're in ministry
00:43:26.50\00:43:31.17
and you're thinking,
00:43:31.21\00:43:32.57
"Hey, we need to
talk to somebody about
00:43:32.61\00:43:36.58
maybe networking with them."
00:43:36.61\00:43:38.11
So we've got these opportunities
00:43:38.15\00:43:40.15
for leadership retreats
00:43:40.18\00:43:41.78
or people who we can turn to.
00:43:41.82\00:43:43.85
Here's how you can get in touch
00:43:43.89\00:43:45.75
with Outpost
Centers International.
00:43:45.79\00:43:50.29
OCI is a spiritual
brotherhood of ministries
00:43:50.33\00:43:53.33
striving toward the common goal
00:43:53.36\00:43:54.80
of taking the
gospel to the world.
00:43:54.83\00:43:56.83
If you like to support
Outpost Centers Internationally,
00:43:56.87\00:43:59.73
you can do so in
a variety of ways.
00:43:59.77\00:44:02.10
You can write to
them at 5132 Layton Lane,
00:44:02.14\00:44:05.67
Apison, Tennessee 37302.
00:44:05.71\00:44:08.64
That's 5132 Layton Lane,
00:44:08.68\00:44:11.45
Apison, Tennessee 37302.
00:44:11.48\00:44:14.48
You can call
them at 423-236-5600.
00:44:14.52\00:44:18.35
That's 423- 236-5600.
00:44:18.39\00:44:22.62
You can also visit them
online at OutpostCenters.org.
00:44:22.66\00:44:26.70
That's OutpostCenters.org.
00:44:26.73\00:44:30.07
I'm sure that they'd
love to hear from you
00:44:35.40\00:44:37.94
and that they can help you.
00:44:37.97\00:44:39.31
In fact, Steve, tell us a little
00:44:39.34\00:44:41.61
if say I have a
ministry and I'm thinking,
00:44:41.64\00:44:44.95
do I have...
00:44:44.98\00:44:47.08
I need some help.
I need some support.
00:44:47.12\00:44:49.38
If I just call you,
00:44:49.42\00:44:50.75
what is the process of
becoming a member of OCI?
00:44:50.79\00:44:54.09
Where the process
of becoming a member
00:44:54.12\00:44:56.89
as the organization
needs to exist for a year
00:44:56.93\00:44:59.49
and we actually have two
categories of membership.
00:44:59.53\00:45:02.93
There is a full member
which would be somebody
00:45:02.96\00:45:05.57
that had their
own nonprofit 501c3
00:45:05.60\00:45:08.44
or an equivalent
outside the United States.
00:45:08.47\00:45:11.47
Or then there are these
smaller family ministries,
00:45:11.51\00:45:13.88
you mentioned, Hein and Melissa
00:45:13.91\00:45:16.04
along the banks
of the Zambezi River.
00:45:16.08\00:45:18.05
Again smaller
family organization.
00:45:18.08\00:45:21.62
And we're there to support
both of those organizations,
00:45:21.65\00:45:24.72
both of those kind of outreaches
00:45:24.75\00:45:26.65
in any way we can,
00:45:26.69\00:45:28.02
so we'll, we like
to tell their stories.
00:45:28.06\00:45:30.63
We do P.R. for them.
00:45:30.66\00:45:32.06
We would pass
through donations for them
00:45:32.09\00:45:34.56
or not pass through donations,
00:45:34.60\00:45:36.46
we would handle
donations for them.
00:45:36.50\00:45:38.53
And again try to help in any,
00:45:38.57\00:45:40.94
in any way that's
our reason for existence,
00:45:40.97\00:45:42.77
that's our passion is to
be able to help individuals
00:45:42.80\00:45:46.84
see where God is
calling them into ministry.
00:45:46.88\00:45:51.01
So if a person
wanted to be a member,
00:45:51.05\00:45:53.35
they'd have to be in
existence for a year,
00:45:53.38\00:45:55.42
fall into one of
those two categories
00:45:55.45\00:45:57.09
and then simply contact us.
00:45:57.12\00:45:59.29
Incidentally I should
say that we help ministries
00:45:59.32\00:46:01.89
long before they become members.
00:46:01.92\00:46:04.03
Sometimes somebody will call us,
00:46:04.06\00:46:05.39
well, I'm not quite formed yet,
00:46:05.43\00:46:07.10
or I have this question or
I'm thinking of doing this.
00:46:07.13\00:46:10.23
We help
throughout the whole process.
00:46:10.27\00:46:12.43
We're really
there to be a resource
00:46:12.47\00:46:14.67
and if we can't
answer certain questions,
00:46:14.70\00:46:17.44
we'll try to guide
them in a direction
00:46:17.47\00:46:20.48
that maybe they
can find answers.
00:46:20.51\00:46:21.88
That's an exciting
resource to have available
00:46:21.91\00:46:24.51
for the Adventist community.
00:46:24.55\00:46:26.11
Now before we
go to our newsbreak
00:46:26.15\00:46:28.38
just a thought from you please,
00:46:28.42\00:46:30.09
Frank, you were with OCI before
00:46:30.12\00:46:33.59
and then you went
00:46:33.62\00:46:35.79
and did your
stint at Eden Valley
00:46:35.82\00:46:38.46
and ASI president,
00:46:38.49\00:46:40.03
now you're back with him.
00:46:40.06\00:46:41.43
Why? Why did you come back?
00:46:41.46\00:46:45.47
Well, actually I
received the call,
00:46:45.50\00:46:47.34
this fellow sitting beside me.
00:46:47.37\00:46:50.31
When we heard that my wife
was coming home from Africa,
00:46:50.34\00:46:53.88
and we had the idea
of how she would relate
00:46:53.91\00:46:56.75
to being home and all the rest,
00:46:56.78\00:46:58.15
somebody saw an
opportunity I think.
00:46:58.18\00:47:00.82
And I, we, my wife
and I received the call
00:47:00.85\00:47:05.45
to go and work at OCI.
00:47:05.49\00:47:07.82
Steve and I have been
friends for a long time.
00:47:07.86\00:47:09.92
We work well together
and so that's why I'm there.
00:47:09.96\00:47:13.66
But why do you
find I know there's,
00:47:13.70\00:47:15.40
it's more than just
you all being friends.
00:47:15.43\00:47:17.03
There's something that
00:47:17.07\00:47:18.40
you find exciting
about going outside,
00:47:18.43\00:47:23.24
thinking outside the box,
00:47:23.27\00:47:24.81
reaching outside
of your own backyard.
00:47:24.84\00:47:28.08
Well, you know,
right from the beginning,
00:47:28.11\00:47:29.88
I became a Seventh-day Adventist
00:47:29.91\00:47:31.41
on September 14th,
00:47:31.45\00:47:32.78
that's at least the
day I was baptized in 1974.
00:47:32.81\00:47:37.12
Okay, and since that time
00:47:37.15\00:47:40.09
as matter of fact, it was,
00:47:40.12\00:47:41.66
it was less than eight
months later I was part of this
00:47:41.69\00:47:44.83
group of supporting ministries
00:47:44.86\00:47:46.73
which eventually
became Outpost Centers, OCI.
00:47:46.76\00:47:49.66
So I've been involved with
this for a long-long-long time.
00:47:49.70\00:47:53.17
And I have seen the Lord
working among lay people.
00:47:53.20\00:47:57.14
It's just a burden to
see people get involved.
00:47:57.17\00:48:00.04
You know my
background, you know,
00:48:00.08\00:48:02.18
I grew up like I said
before a Roman Catholic
00:48:02.21\00:48:05.21
but I worked in the
mines till I was 27,
00:48:05.25\00:48:08.62
and when I had an opportunity
to work for the Lord,
00:48:08.65\00:48:13.82
OCI was the opportunity.
00:48:13.86\00:48:16.32
And I've been
with it a long time
00:48:16.36\00:48:18.46
and I just have a
burden to see everyone
00:48:18.49\00:48:21.40
get involved in the Lord's work.
00:48:21.43\00:48:23.03
If they can't,
00:48:23.06\00:48:24.40
if they can't be
a pastor in a church
00:48:24.43\00:48:26.13
or a colporteur or
whatever else they may be,
00:48:26.17\00:48:28.70
they can come to us.
00:48:28.74\00:48:30.07
Amen, you preach it, brother.
00:48:30.11\00:48:32.91
Well, we're going to
have another song right now
00:48:32.94\00:48:35.61
by ET Everett.
00:48:35.64\00:48:37.28
She's going to play
for us, "Because He Lives".
00:48:37.31\00:48:40.08