I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is CA Murray
and allow me to thank you
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once again for sharing just
a little of your day with us.
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To thank you for
your love, your prayers,
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your support of this ministry,
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and to thank you for
all you do to help us
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do what we are called to do
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and that's to lift up the mighty
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and matchless name of Jesus.
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I'm excited today
because of our subject matter
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and because of the guest
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that I have with
me in the studio.
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This is John Stoddart, a
producer, singer, artist,
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player of the piano,
the great individual,
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and a really neat guy.
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John, first of all
good to have you here, man.
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So great to be here by the CA.
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Man, I've been
looking forward to this.
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We've been sitting
kind of just kicking back
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and talking about stuff
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because John came out
last year and for some of us
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it was a first
time for us to meet him
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because he was working
with some Christmas stuff.
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And then we kind of liked him
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so Danny asked him
to stay a couple of days
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and he stayed a
couple of days more.
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And we squeezed
some more out of him.
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So we brought him back
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but a nicer guy you
would ever want to meet.
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And, John, let me
jump right into this
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and throw you a
little compliment right now.
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Oh, wow.
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Because not too long ago
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Jaime Jorge who you
know you worked with...
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Dear friend of mine.
Dear friend. Dear friend.
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Paid you a very,
very high compliment.
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In fact, when your name
came up in conversation,
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he actually waxed eloquent...
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Oh, boy. On your name.
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He just put all of
our jazz stars, he did.
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He can do that. He
is an eloquent guy.
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He did but obviously
you had impressed him.
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Now, one of the words that
stuck in my ear was he said,
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you are a professional.
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Now here is the
translation for me.
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Okay. Low diva coach.
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You know, what I mean. Listen.
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When I tour with guys
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and every once in a
while I try to throw tantrums,
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you know, they
just laugh at me, man.
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I try to be diva,
diva, whatever the word is...
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Yeah.
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I just... that's
not in my personality...
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Yeah. Even though I try.
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Having worked with you last year
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and seen you
over a number a days
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and seeing the
professionalism, the...
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I'm gonna use a
coolness that you bring to.
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Is that something
that you rehearse,
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that you practice
that is important to you,
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or just part of the
way you go about your life?
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You know, I think some of it
is maybe a personality thing.
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But another big part
of that is the people
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who've influenced me.
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You know, I look at the people
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who I've had a chance to
work with who I consider,
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you know, legends
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and they're just low
maintenance, sort of low
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and here we've been talking
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before we got on
air about the time
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I spent working
with Richard Smallwood,
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who is a
legendary gospel artist.
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And he is a guy who, you know,
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who doesn't have to have
his separate dressing room,
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you know, he
travels with everyone else,
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he is just, you
know, very approachable,
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you know, he is not
walking around with bodyguards
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and all that sort of things.
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So when you meet someone
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who is like that
legendary that stature,
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he kind of keeps it real.
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You know, I worked a lot with
a really renounced song writer,
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producer, and artist by
the name of George Duke.
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And George was a same
way, man, just regular guy,
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amazing, just legendary.
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I mean, I couldn't name a person
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that he hadn't worked with
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and just the easiest
guy to get along with.
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So when you see guys like that,
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you say, "Well, if he can be..."
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Right.
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"You know, who am
I to try to be..."
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Yeah, let me keep
my feet on the ground.
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That's like me to have
the water at 72 degrees
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and make sure you
pick out the orange M&M's
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I only want the green ones.
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Yeah.
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So that ability with
humility thing impresses you.
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It does make,
yeah. It really does.
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It's made a big impact on me
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and another mentor of mine
the guy named Wintley Phipps.
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He told, he said, "Man,
I have this recurring dream
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that I woke up one day
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and my friends
came up to me and says,
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'You know, you
really weren't that good.'"
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We just wanted to encourage you.
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Yeah. Yes.
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Some kind of voice in the
back of my head that says,
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"Man, maybe they're
just encouraging me,
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just to make me feel good,
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you know, so keep you
grounded, keep you humble."
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Yeah, you do.
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You bring a spirit with you
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that is refreshing and inviting.
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It really is. Oh, thank you.
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Thank you so much. And
you prosecute your work.
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You go by what you do
with professionalism...
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Thank you.
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And you get at it
and you're talented man.
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You know, I'm just,
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I'm full on
treating on your life.
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Praise God. Praise God.
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Where you're from originally?
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I'm originally
from Philadelphia.
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I grew up in Philadelphia,
a great music city.
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Oh, yeah.
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I really enjoyed
growing in musical family,
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musical household.
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Grandmother was a
Bible worker and a musician.
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And you know, both
mom and dad played,
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you know, brother and
sister taking piano lessons,
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so grew up in a
musical family...
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Okay. There in Philadelphia.
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Kind of in the DNA.
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.
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I couldn't get
away from it if I try.
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So Adventist
home? Adventist home.
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Yeah.
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People when they see, at
least to me it occurs to me
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that you're a spiritual person.
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When did your relationship
with Jesus become a reality?
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I mean, there's one thing to
grow up in an Adventist home,
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we're surrounded
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by the
accoutrement of Adventism...
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Then you got to do
it for you and Jesus.
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Right. When did that happen?
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Well, man, you
know, I am a personality
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who is very project oriented.
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So as a music
producer you work on a project,
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the project's done,
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it's out to the
public, you're done.
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I tell you, I had to confess,
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man, that where I'm in
my walk right now is a place
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where I'm getting more
comfortable with the fact
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that this thing that
we call a relationship
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with Christ is a process.
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And so for me growing
up as in an Adventist home,
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you know, it was always around
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and I got baptized,
I say about 13 or 14.
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So that's when I think
I really kind of locked in
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but the beautiful thing about
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where I'm now in my walk is
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God is kind of
freeing me from some of the...
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I guess
expectations or what I imagined
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or thought it should be
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and saying, "Hey, man, no this
is really what this thing is."
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And so He is
bringing me to a place
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where I kind of exhale a
little bit and feel like,
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"Okay, man, God is in this
with me for the long haul."
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You know, and it's really,
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it's a tough
change to make for me
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just because of
my personality, man.
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But I'm really beginning
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to get more
comfortable with this idea
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that I'm in this
relationship with God
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and He's gonna be
here for the long haul.
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And, you know, I know
I'm not where I should be yet
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but He knew that
when we linked up
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and He say, "Hey,
I'm gonna walk with you
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for the whole thing."`
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So I feel like where I am now
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is even a better
place than I was...
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Praise the Lord. Early on. Yes.
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I'm really grateful for that.
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That's a perspective, John,
that comes usually with age.
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Okay, it makes sense.
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And with the skin in
your knees a couple of times.
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Right. You know.
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It's like, oh.
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Bandages on. Yeah.
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You pick up that you
were once and you know that
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He's not gonna leave you,
He's not gonna forsake you.
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Thank you, Lord.
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And you got to put
the meat on that thing.
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Thank you, Lord. Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm grateful.
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You are a
fabulous singer, you are.
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You're a good, good,
good singer, and you play.
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When did it occur to you
that you have musical talent?
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I mean, it's in
your family. Right.
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So obviously, fairly early on
this kind of jumped out at you.
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Right. Right, right. Yeah.
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My dad actually
always tells me the story,
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he says he remembers one day...
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Remember, I told you I had a...
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Well, maybe I didn't say,
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I have an older
brother and sister.
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They're 9 and 10 years
older than I am respectively.
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And they were
taking piano lessons
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so of course I'm
very, very young.
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Right.
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And my dad says I
was two, three years old
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and I would sit and
watch their piano lessons.
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And he said at about three,
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he remembers me
crawling up on the piano bench
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after one of their lessons
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and just kind of
banging on the piano.
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And he stopped
and listened he said,
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"He is trying to poke out."
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He realized I was
trying to poke out
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what I heard during the lesson.
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So probably about
three or four years old
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when I started trying to
figure out this piano thing.
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And then as for
singing, you know,
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when I grew up in
the Adventist church,
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you know, now I
have two young daughters
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12 and 14
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and I probably give them
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more choice than I
had growing up, you know.
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When I was growing
up, your parents said,
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"Do this, you're
gonna be in the choir,
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you're gonna be in this."
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And there was a
lady in our church,
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her name was Sister Rue.
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Yes. She lives in Florida now.
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I still see her
every once in a while
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and she ask me
to sing this song.
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It seemed like it was every week
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that's why I love Him so,
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"Jesus has
promised my shepherd to be."
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Man, I hated that song.
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I did not...
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Pastor, she every
week, seem like every week,
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she would ask me
to sing that song.
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When I figured out
I can play the piano,
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man, I don't
think I sang in church
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for about 10 years.
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I was so glad I can sit
in that corner and playing.
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And it wasn't until
I got to high school,
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that I started
really singing again
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and writing and so on,
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so now I probably do
about the half and half of each.
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Now you write a
lot, don't you? I do.
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Work as a song
writer and you know,
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obviously a singer and
musician, music producer,
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and arranger.
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So it kind of depends
on the day of the week,
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you know, what I'm working on.
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And today I could be
working on, you know,
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project with the
National Symphony
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and tomorrow I
could be working with,
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you know, a
mainstream jazz artist,
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you know, as an arranger.
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So it's just kind of
the gamut in terms of...
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And it's such a blessing for me
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because there's
so much diversity
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and I never get bored.
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Because, everyday
it's something else
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I get to work with
great artists like Jamie
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or my first record as a producer
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was Wintley Phipps,
"The Power of a Dream".
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He's been a real
blessing to my life.
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So just, you know,
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here and there everyday
it's something different.
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Just out of
curiosity, I'm gonna...
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A question is popping in my mind
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to lay on you just a minute.
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But what is the role,
the job of a music producer?
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I think probably the best way...
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I get that question
every once in a while.
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I think the best
way to explain it is
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if you have a song,
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in other words you
can sit down at the piano,
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where you can just sing
a song in a voice recorder,
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you can come up to
me and sing a song.
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The producer is the person
who takes it from that thing
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and makes it to what
you hear when you buy the CD
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or when you
hear it on the radio.
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So whatever...
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So you actually got a lot
of creative control over that.
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Yeah, whatever that process is,
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you know, sometimes you
have producers who play a lot.
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So they, you know,
they'll sit down and play
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and actually do
the arrangements.
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You have other producers
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who don't play an
instrument at all.
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They just have a
vision of what it should be.
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I worked with the
legendary R&B producer
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by the name of David Porter.
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He worked in the stacks area.
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He was one of the
original stacks producers
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but he doesn't play anything.
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He is a guy who will sit,
he always come to me John,
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just go and play
this or kind of do this,
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kind of do that.
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And he just had this, he
could hear it all in his head,
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he couldn't play a thing.
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So you get
different types of producers,
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who have their
different approach
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to getting it from
that seed, that idea...
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Right. To what
you hear in the end.
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And sometimes they're more
involved and even creating it.
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Sometimes the song
becomes part of the whole,
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sort of all evolves together
the song, the production,
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you know, are you
gonna put drums in it,
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you're gonna have
violins, or you're gonna have
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a choir on it or
you're gonna have guitar,
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or you're gonna have, you
know, whatever instrument.
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Does a producer
have the platform,
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the power to tell the
artists, sing it this way?
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They do, you know,
it depends on the artist
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that you have to tread softly...
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Yeah.
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Depending on the artist
but, you know, a big part of it
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because it's a
very vulnerable thing.
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You're standing there
in front of that microphone
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and you're bearing your soul.
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So big role of the producer is
to really try to pull the best,
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be out of that artist...
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Yeah.
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You know, you want to make
sure they feel comfortable.
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You got to know
just how much to push,
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just how much to kind
of caress and make sure
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that they are
feeling good, you know.
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And it's nice being an
artist because I get to be
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on both sides of that, so I
can be sensitive to a person.
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You know, it's a vulnerable
place to be as an artist
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behind that
microphone and people can listen
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to your every
crack and every mistake
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at that one fight on
pitch, you know it, man.
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You are surprisingly vulnerable
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to what's being said on
the other side of that glass
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and they could build you up
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or they can tear you
down, man, that's rough.
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They hit the button
and say, "Just a second."
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Then you just hear a silence
just staring at the room,
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you're like and what
are they saying about me?
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Yeah.
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They are talking
about me and is that good.
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So they can really
work with your head. Yeah.
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Let me ask you this,
John, and I tend to ask
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this kind of one of those
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high concept
ontological questions
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we ask every now and again.
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Okay.
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Talk to me about the
intersection of performance
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and ministry.
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If that is in your mind,
and I ask a lot of artists this
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because in other words,
God has given you a gift.
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It's your job to
improve that gift.
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Right. So that you perform well.
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Right.
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But where is the intersection
of your ability and ministry
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or performance?
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What is a
performance and ministry?
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Right.
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I'm going to
answer that question
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in maybe a way
that it's a bit unusual,
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particularly in this context.
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I do a fair amount of working
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what we call the
mainstream music industry.
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In other words, I am not
always performing in churches.
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I perform in concert
venues and other types of arenas
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all around the world.
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And I'm not always intravenous
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where I am
labeled a gospel artist.
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All right.
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So part of my calling is
to take the message of Christ
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into those arenas.
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And a big part of
what gives you credibility
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and let say, a jazz festival,
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is if you are good at
playing the piano let's say.
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So no one wants to
hear anything about
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what you have to say
or believe in that context
00:14:54.06\00:14:56.99
if you aren't
good at what you do.
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You understand
what I'm saying? Yeah.
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So for me the
intersection between performance
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and I'll even expand that
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to say proficiency or ability...
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I like that.
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Or virtuosity,
let's call it that.
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Yeah.
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I think they're
very closely related
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because that's what
opens the door in that context,
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especially for someone
for you to be able to say,
00:15:20.25\00:15:24.02
"Hey, man, you know,
00:15:24.09\00:15:25.42
the reason I practice
this way or the reason
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where I have the work ethic
I do is because of my faith."
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My faith. Yeah. Right.
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So but if you're
not good, no one cares.
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Precisely. Yeah.
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If you're sloppy then
no one is listening to you.
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Yeah. Yeah. No one cares.
00:15:38.63\00:15:40.00
And I think
it's also interesting
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that we probably have
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more entertainment
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in our worship experiences
00:15:49.94\00:15:52.68
and some of
these other experiences
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then probably we realize.
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Yeah.
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You're much more
likely to connect and enjoy
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and takeaway from a
preacher who is entertaining,
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who is
interesting to listen to you.
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Yeah. You know what I mean?
00:16:06.76\00:16:08.10
And in some places
that's a dirty word...
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Right.
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But you are competing
for the ear of your public
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who is getting a lot of
messages during the week.
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So if you don't
culture your message in...
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I mean, we had a
great preacher...
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No, he wasn't a great preacher,
he was great theologian,
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Uriah Smith
00:16:25.55\00:16:26.92
and even a General
Conference president said,
00:16:26.95\00:16:28.85
you know, we got
spirit, we got truth.
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He is good on truth.
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Yeah, you need to
work on the spirit part.
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Yeah, you need to work on
that spirit part little bit.
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So, yeah, the fact is that
you have to hold your audience.
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So that you have to
put your wine in a bottle
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that is attractive...
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Right. To your audience.
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So and music especially
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because your audience is
getting all kinds of messages.
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So you can give them
truth but if they're asleep
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then I couldn't get it.
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Here is another analogy,
00:16:53.14\00:16:57.01
if you gonna
have cake with icing,
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there's nothing wrong
with the little bit of icing.
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Just make sure there
is some cake there too.
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I like that. Yeah.
You don't want all icing.
00:17:03.12\00:17:04.92
You don't want all icing. Yeah.
00:17:04.95\00:17:07.39
You want some cake.
You know what I mean?
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So that's kind of the
way I think about it, man.
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And again the context that
I work in most of the time,
00:17:13.03\00:17:17.60
we'll get a moment
to share our faith.
00:17:17.63\00:17:20.24
You know, as oppose
to say a church service
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where the whole thing is geared,
00:17:22.04\00:17:23.41
so we have our moment.
00:17:23.44\00:17:24.77
So everything is sort of crafted
00:17:24.81\00:17:26.34
particularly with a lot of
the guys that I worked with
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who are also people of faith
00:17:28.31\00:17:29.88
working in this sort
of mainstream paradigm.
00:17:29.91\00:17:33.42
We know that, hey,
the reason we're here is
00:17:33.45\00:17:35.58
for that moment
where we share our faith.
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Yeah. So we're
crafting everything...
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Okay.
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To bring people's
attention and to tear down walls
00:17:40.69\00:17:42.99
and to just,
"Oh, man, I'm having
00:17:43.02\00:17:44.66
such a great time and, oh, man,
00:17:44.69\00:17:46.56
I'm really connecting
with the people upfront
00:17:46.59\00:17:48.40
and I'm enjoying this music."
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And then you take
them to this moment
00:17:50.27\00:17:51.73
where you get to share...
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Yeah.
00:17:53.13\00:17:54.47
That faith and then you go back.
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Yeah. Yeah. What you're doing.
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And I think that...
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again our experience has
been that you're in position
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to be able to have that
degree of influence with them
00:18:04.01\00:18:07.55
because they have
so much respect for me
00:18:07.58\00:18:10.12
and those hours
that because you realize
00:18:10.15\00:18:12.72
this is a gift
that God has given you
00:18:12.75\00:18:14.19
that you're off when no
nobody is looking practicing,
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you know, working on your
craft and so and so forth.
00:18:16.66\00:18:18.66
Yeah. I appreciate that answer.
00:18:18.69\00:18:20.33
And it does give a
whole new ministry aspiring
00:18:20.36\00:18:24.47
to what you do?
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It's part of the ministry. Yeah.
00:18:25.87\00:18:27.24
It is not
another thing over here.
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It's all part,
it's all one thing.
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Predicated on your
ability that you put in the time
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to do the work to be legitimate.
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:18:34.64\00:18:35.98
Your first worship
is in the practice room.
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All right. Yeah. Well said.
00:18:39.68\00:18:42.18
Your first worship
is in the practice room.
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Speaking of worship in practice.
00:18:43.69\00:18:45.02
Let's go to some
songs, man, because...
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We're talking...
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We can talk
this whole thing out.
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Yeah.
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Have you ever been lonely?
Is that an original song?
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That is an
original song that I wrote
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with a good buddy of mine
by the name of Joey Kibble.
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He sings with this
up and coming group.
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Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:01.04\00:19:02.37
If they stay at,
they're gonna really do well.
00:19:02.40\00:19:04.24
I think it's a
little group called Take 6.
00:19:04.27\00:19:06.37
Take 6. Yes.
00:19:06.41\00:19:07.74
I always encourage them and say,
00:19:07.78\00:19:09.11
"Guys, if you stick at it,
00:19:09.14\00:19:10.48
you're gonna be
something someday."
00:19:10.51\00:19:13.08
I'm joking.
00:19:13.11\00:19:14.45
But, you know, I have such
00:19:14.48\00:19:15.82
profound respect for those guys.
00:19:15.85\00:19:17.22
Joey is a good buddy of mine
00:19:17.25\00:19:18.59
and he was so gracious
to help me on this song
00:19:18.62\00:19:19.95
and it was inspired by the text
00:19:19.99\00:19:23.02
in Hebrews 4
where God talks about...
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where they talk about
"We don't have a high priest
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who's not touched
00:19:28.56\00:19:29.93
with the feeling
of our infirmities."
00:19:29.96\00:19:31.30
So I always tell people when
they're listening to this song
00:19:31.33\00:19:34.57
because it's written
sort of in the first person
00:19:34.60\00:19:36.64
to imagine Jesus himself
singing these words to you.
00:19:36.71\00:19:41.14
There is so much
loneliness in our world,
00:19:41.18\00:19:44.08
even with all the social media
and Twitter and Facebook...
00:19:44.15\00:19:46.48
Yeah. Yeah. And all these.
00:19:46.51\00:19:48.05
But sometimes
it feels like, man,
00:19:48.08\00:19:50.22
people are even more
disconnected than ever.
00:19:50.29\00:19:53.46
And so well, we
wrote the song called
00:19:53.49\00:19:55.56
"Have you ever been lonely?"
00:19:55.59\00:19:56.93
And it's just an encouragement
where Jesus is saying,
00:19:56.96\00:20:00.00
"Hey, you know what?
00:20:00.03\00:20:01.33
I know how you're feeling."
00:20:01.36\00:20:02.70
Not that you are out there
somewhere and I'm with you,
00:20:02.73\00:20:06.80
and I've been through
what you've been through.
00:20:06.84\00:20:08.17
So I feel from a
very personal place,
00:20:08.20\00:20:09.70
"Have you ever been lonely?"
00:20:09.74\00:20:11.07
You know, like you said
Joey Kibble, and I said,
00:20:11.11\00:20:12.44
I'll stick and send thereof,
00:20:12.47\00:20:13.84
those guys are
from Buffalo, New York,
00:20:13.88\00:20:15.21
that's my home church
we grew up with those guys,
00:20:15.24\00:20:16.58
the Willis's, and of course
I'm little closer to Mark,
00:20:16.61\00:20:18.78
and Avon, Karen and
all those Willis's, yeah.
00:20:18.81\00:20:22.35
Good people, man. All
are from Buffalo, New York.
00:20:22.38\00:20:23.75
Great people, great
friends, amazing artists.
00:20:23.79\00:20:25.49
Very much so. "Have
you ever been lonely?"
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Let's hear it.
00:20:28.82\00:20:30.19
I can feel your pain in my side
00:20:45.07\00:20:48.71
I can see the
tears you can't cry
00:20:48.74\00:20:51.81
I know sometimes
you feel all alone
00:20:58.75\00:21:01.99
I could pray
into the sky of stone
00:21:02.02\00:21:06.39
But you never know
how much you mean to me
00:21:11.03\00:21:17.74
And how forever my love can be
00:21:17.77\00:21:24.65
Have you ever been lonely
00:21:24.68\00:21:28.12
Then I know how you feel.
00:21:28.15\00:21:31.42
When the nearest
hugs a million miles away
00:21:31.45\00:21:37.96
When you're looking for sunshine
00:21:37.99\00:21:41.63
In the middle of the day
00:21:41.66\00:21:45.17
Then I know how you feel
00:21:45.20\00:21:49.94
But it's gonna be okay
00:21:49.97\00:21:53.17
Oh, thank you, Jesus
00:21:55.74\00:21:57.65
I know all about your heartache
00:21:59.61\00:22:03.62
And all the
love you try to think
00:22:03.69\00:22:07.99
Without breaking
00:22:08.02\00:22:10.63
Just breaking down
00:22:10.66\00:22:13.13
I felt gonna to with those days
00:22:13.16\00:22:16.63
With no matter
what you do or say
00:22:16.67\00:22:20.60
Nothing's gonna stop the pain
00:22:20.64\00:22:25.54
But you never know
how much you mean to me
00:22:25.57\00:22:32.15
Until you see me at Calvary
00:22:32.18\00:22:37.25
Have you ever been lonely
00:22:37.29\00:22:41.82
To being alone, how you feel
00:22:41.86\00:22:45.76
When the nearest
hugs a million miles away
00:22:45.79\00:22:52.57
When you're looking for sunshine
00:22:52.60\00:22:55.87
In the middle of the day
00:22:55.90\00:22:59.24
Then I know how you feel
00:22:59.27\00:23:04.38
But it's gonna be okay
00:23:04.41\00:23:07.85
'Cause I'll
never leave you alone
00:23:07.88\00:23:14.79
I know the sun
is gonna shine again
00:23:14.82\00:23:20.96
And I can tell you
00:23:20.96\00:23:23.03
How the story is gonna end
00:23:23.06\00:23:25.87
You're gonna make it
00:23:25.90\00:23:27.80
Have you ever been lonely
00:23:33.04\00:23:37.21
Jesus knows how it feels
00:23:37.25\00:23:40.08
When the nearest
hugs a million miles away
00:23:40.12\00:23:46.59
When you're looking for sunshine
00:23:46.62\00:23:50.13
In the middle of the day
00:23:50.19\00:23:53.29
Then I know how it feels
00:23:53.36\00:23:58.53
Have you ever been lonely
00:23:58.57\00:24:03.71
Then I know how you feel
00:24:03.74\00:24:06.78
When the nearest hugs
00:24:06.81\00:24:08.88
A million miles away
00:24:08.91\00:24:13.72
When you're looking for sunshine
00:24:13.75\00:24:17.19
In the middle of the day
00:24:17.22\00:24:20.46
Then I know
00:24:20.49\00:24:22.46
I know how it feels
00:24:22.49\00:24:27.50
But it's gonna be
00:24:27.50\00:24:30.83
It's gonna be okay
00:24:30.87\00:24:34.27
It's gonna be
00:24:34.30\00:24:36.10
It's gonna be okay
00:24:36.14\00:24:39.27
Well done.
00:24:48.65\00:24:50.25
Good song, good
message. Oh, Praise God.
00:24:50.29\00:24:51.69
Yeah. Well done.
00:24:51.72\00:24:53.05
We're sitting here
and kind of talking
00:24:53.09\00:24:54.42
and you know, once you
get in the Adventist loop...
00:24:54.46\00:24:57.19
You're right. Exactly.
00:24:57.23\00:24:58.56
Everybody knows,
everybody know you.
00:24:58.59\00:25:00.66
You start pulling out
names, yeah, I know him.
00:25:00.73\00:25:02.33
I know him. Oh,
you know him. Oh, wow.
00:25:02.36\00:25:04.50
That kind of thing.
00:25:04.53\00:25:05.87
What impresses you
when you're writing?
00:25:05.90\00:25:08.17
Where you're trying to go?
Where you're trying to take?
00:25:08.20\00:25:10.14
Because in preaching
you've seen something,
00:25:10.21\00:25:12.54
you've been some places,
00:25:12.57\00:25:13.91
you're trying to bring
your audience to that place.
00:25:13.98\00:25:16.31
Is it the same
when you're doing music?
00:25:16.34\00:25:17.68
I think so, you know,
00:25:17.71\00:25:19.05
I write a lot from
personal experience,
00:25:19.08\00:25:21.55
you know, so obviously
that's a big part of...
00:25:21.58\00:25:24.55
I think for a lot of writers
00:25:24.59\00:25:25.92
you're writing from some sort of
00:25:25.95\00:25:27.66
either something
you've witnessed,
00:25:27.69\00:25:29.26
or something you've experienced.
00:25:29.29\00:25:31.66
So a lot of my
writing is inspired by that...
00:25:31.69\00:25:35.70
I did a project called
00:25:35.73\00:25:37.07
"Faith Hope
Love" a few years ago.
00:25:37.13\00:25:39.60
And it was
essentially a chronicle
00:25:39.63\00:25:42.34
of maybe the first
10 years of my marriage.
00:25:42.37\00:25:44.11
Oh, wow.
00:25:44.17\00:25:45.51
And it was really,
really turbulent, you know,
00:25:45.54\00:25:47.98
I use that word
because we're on television
00:25:48.01\00:25:51.31
I probably can't
use a different word
00:25:51.35\00:25:54.02
to really
describe what it was like.
00:25:54.08\00:25:56.75
But it was just
really, really tough
00:25:56.79\00:25:59.19
and after my wife
and I came through that
00:25:59.22\00:26:01.76
and we began realizing that,
00:26:01.79\00:26:03.22
man, we're not the only
ones who've gone through this.
00:26:03.26\00:26:07.03
And we wanted to share the story
00:26:07.13\00:26:08.43
especially for younger couples
00:26:08.46\00:26:09.90
who were going through
what we went through to say,
00:26:09.93\00:26:11.67
"Hey, okay.
00:26:11.70\00:26:13.03
This is a tough time
00:26:13.07\00:26:14.40
but happens to
all of us, hold on."
00:26:14.44\00:26:16.84
You know, latch
on to an older couple
00:26:16.91\00:26:18.34
that can kind of help
shepherd you through it.
00:26:18.37\00:26:20.18
Yeah.
00:26:20.21\00:26:21.54
And you go and make
it just hang in there.
00:26:21.58\00:26:23.58
And we had some
people do that for us,
00:26:23.65\00:26:25.05
so we're just
trying to share that...
00:26:25.08\00:26:26.41
So that was an
example of writing
00:26:26.45\00:26:28.45
from your own
personal experience
00:26:28.48\00:26:29.88
and how it can help the music.
00:26:29.92\00:26:31.25
I want you to talk about a song.
00:26:31.29\00:26:32.72
It's not on the list,
we're not gonna hear today.
00:26:32.75\00:26:34.42
Okay.
00:26:34.46\00:26:35.79
But you did it last
year that knocked us out,
00:26:35.82\00:26:37.46
"Only on Christmas Day".
00:26:37.53\00:26:38.86
"Only on Christmas day". Yeah.
00:26:38.89\00:26:40.23
When you play
that we're like, wow.
00:26:40.26\00:26:42.40
That was a fun song, man. Yeah.
00:26:42.43\00:26:44.03
I wrote that again, co-write
with another amazing writer
00:26:44.07\00:26:47.30
by the name of Hallerin Hilton.
00:26:47.34\00:26:49.00
You know Hallerin?
00:26:49.04\00:26:50.37
Went to school
with this brothers,
00:26:50.41\00:26:51.74
Holly and Bryon.
00:26:51.77\00:26:53.11
Oh, what an amazing song writer.
00:26:53.14\00:26:54.48
I'm such a huge fan of his.
00:26:54.51\00:26:56.21
And he just did
a really great job
00:26:56.24\00:26:58.75
of helping me
craft this image...
00:26:58.78\00:27:00.95
Yeah.
00:27:00.98\00:27:02.32
Of sitting in that kitchen,
watching my grandmother make
00:27:02.35\00:27:04.92
you know, the rolls.
00:27:04.95\00:27:06.29
My grandmother used to
make these cinnamon rolls, man.
00:27:06.32\00:27:09.12
And she was such a woman
of incredible not only faith
00:27:09.16\00:27:13.93
but what I call practical...
00:27:13.96\00:27:16.56
Yes. Christianity.
00:27:16.60\00:27:18.30
You know, my
grandmother was a type
00:27:18.33\00:27:20.44
who was and what
we call the herd,
00:27:20.47\00:27:23.20
and everyone knew her.
00:27:23.24\00:27:24.57
Okay. Yeah. She
wasn't just a visitor.
00:27:24.61\00:27:26.51
That's where she hung
out because that was where
00:27:26.54\00:27:29.44
she was caught in ministry,
she was feeding people.
00:27:29.48\00:27:31.61
So I have these
images in my head,
00:27:31.65\00:27:33.62
you know, I remember,
growing up with my grandmother
00:27:33.65\00:27:35.48
and so helping to
write that song...
00:27:35.52\00:27:36.89
Yeah. "Only on Christmas Day."
00:27:36.92\00:27:38.25
That's a big
part of what helped me
00:27:38.29\00:27:39.79
develop my faith watching it
00:27:39.82\00:27:41.49
in action with
someone like my grandmother.
00:27:41.52\00:27:43.16
The song is,
it's in a sweet place.
00:27:43.19\00:27:44.66
Yeah, man. Just feel
good. It's a nice song.
00:27:44.69\00:27:48.43
Okay. Back to business.
Okay. Back to business.
00:27:48.46\00:27:51.23
"My tree", is
actually what we gonna here.
00:27:51.27\00:27:53.44
Yes, my tree is a song
that was written by an artist
00:27:53.50\00:27:57.21
by the name of Chris Rice.
00:27:57.27\00:27:58.81
And I remember
hearing it for the first time
00:27:58.84\00:28:01.64
back in college
00:28:01.68\00:28:03.01
and it really
just knocked me out.
00:28:03.04\00:28:06.15
And I don't even
wanna say too much about
00:28:06.18\00:28:09.05
specifically what it
is because the imagery is
00:28:09.08\00:28:12.69
so powerful when you
just let the story develop.
00:28:12.72\00:28:17.46
And it's an example of
a song that tells a story
00:28:17.49\00:28:20.83
and, I mean, a real life story.
00:28:20.86\00:28:22.50
Yes.
00:28:22.53\00:28:23.87
And makes the connection,
we're talking a little bit
00:28:23.90\00:28:26.00
earlier about the intersection
of performance and ministry.
00:28:26.03\00:28:31.07
And a big part of what we
do when we're in a mainstream
00:28:31.11\00:28:34.74
especially is to
disarm people, we use things
00:28:34.78\00:28:39.91
that they can relate to
like working with the kids
00:28:39.95\00:28:43.99
or marriage or
everyone has a job
00:28:44.02\00:28:45.79
or everyone has a difficult,
00:28:45.82\00:28:47.36
whatever
difficulty with their parents.
00:28:47.39\00:28:49.69
And those types of
things that they're parables,
00:28:49.72\00:28:52.46
that's what Jesus did.
00:28:52.49\00:28:53.83
Precisely. Right. He
told the stories to...
00:28:53.90\00:28:55.20
And so this to me
is that kind of a song
00:28:55.23\00:28:57.03
and I always said
that, you know what?
00:28:57.07\00:28:59.27
One day I'm
gonna record that song.
00:28:59.30\00:29:00.90
And I've gotten a chance
to sing it all over the world
00:29:00.97\00:29:03.94
and it always just hits the spot
00:29:03.97\00:29:06.71
just because of
how it takes a story
00:29:06.74\00:29:09.58
something we can all relate to
00:29:09.61\00:29:11.28
and uses it to be able to
frame the story of the gospel.
00:29:11.31\00:29:16.32
So "My tree." My tree.
00:29:16.35\00:29:17.82
On a hill far away
00:29:36.07\00:29:40.18
Stood a tall mighty tree
00:29:40.21\00:29:44.48
Where a boy and
girl used to take turns
00:29:44.51\00:29:48.18
Pushing the tire swing
00:29:48.22\00:29:51.49
I remember the
pocketknife in hand
00:29:51.52\00:29:56.56
Her name in my heart
00:29:56.59\00:29:59.86
Thinkin' there ain't no
way for a boy to explain
00:29:59.89\00:30:04.67
The love that he feels inside
00:30:04.70\00:30:10.61
So I carved her
name into my tree
00:30:10.67\00:30:16.91
Then I carved a
heart around her name
00:30:16.95\00:30:23.22
Then I carved an arrow
00:30:23.25\00:30:25.79
Through the heart
00:30:25.82\00:30:31.43
Just to say "I love you"
00:30:31.46\00:30:34.46
On a hill far away
00:30:41.17\00:30:45.61
Stood an old rugged cross
00:30:45.64\00:30:50.48
The emblem of suffering
00:30:50.51\00:30:54.88
And shame
00:30:54.92\00:30:57.82
I remember the nails
00:30:57.85\00:31:00.46
Through my hands
00:31:00.49\00:31:03.53
And your name in my heart
00:31:03.56\00:31:07.13
And how in their wordless way
00:31:07.20\00:31:10.33
The nails explain the
love that I feel inside
00:31:10.37\00:31:16.04
As they carved
your name into my tree
00:31:16.07\00:31:22.21
Where I wrapped my
heart around your name
00:31:22.24\00:31:28.52
Then I took your arrow
00:31:28.55\00:31:31.35
Through my heart
00:31:31.39\00:31:36.32
Just to say "I love you"
00:31:36.36\00:31:41.10
I really love you
00:31:41.13\00:31:45.03
Now I can never forget
00:31:45.07\00:31:49.10
How much you mean to me
00:31:49.14\00:31:53.01
'Cause I will always remember
00:31:53.04\00:31:57.85
Whenever I see
00:31:57.88\00:32:02.22
where they carved your name
00:32:02.25\00:32:05.05
Into my tree
00:32:05.09\00:32:09.19
Where I wrapped my heart
00:32:09.22\00:32:12.09
Around your name
00:32:12.13\00:32:17.73
Then I took your arrow
00:32:17.77\00:32:20.50
Through my heart
00:32:20.54\00:32:27.34
Just to say "I love you"
00:32:27.38\00:32:30.91
How much I love you, yes I do
00:32:37.09\00:32:42.36
Oh, Jesus loves you, yes He does
00:32:46.66\00:32:52.77
Powerful, very powerful.
00:34:03.81\00:34:05.64
John, I wanna ask you a
question and I don't know
00:34:05.67\00:34:07.71
if it's even an
intelligent question.
00:34:07.74\00:34:09.54
Oh, boy.
00:34:09.58\00:34:10.95
It encourages me in watching you
00:34:10.98\00:34:13.01
do that particular song.
00:34:13.05\00:34:18.02
The Bible says that
00:34:18.05\00:34:19.52
God didn't have
suppresses of his people.
00:34:19.55\00:34:21.89
There are certain artists
00:34:21.92\00:34:23.29
and the only way that
I can articulate this is
00:34:23.32\00:34:27.00
who inhabit the
music that they sing.
00:34:27.03\00:34:30.93
You appear to do that,
00:34:30.97\00:34:33.13
how invested are
you in your craft
00:34:33.17\00:34:37.37
as far as watching
you sing that song,
00:34:37.41\00:34:40.28
one comes with
impression, number one,
00:34:40.34\00:34:42.31
you believe what you're saying
00:34:42.34\00:34:44.05
and that the song is
doing something for you.
00:34:44.11\00:34:46.58
And of course, it was
doing something for you,
00:34:46.61\00:34:48.22
it will do something for me.
00:34:48.25\00:34:49.58
Right.
00:34:49.62\00:34:50.95
So how invested are you in
the music that you produce,
00:34:50.99\00:34:53.22
the music that you sing,
the things that you choose?
00:34:53.25\00:34:55.46
Yeah.
00:34:55.49\00:34:56.83
I think that...
00:34:56.89\00:35:01.73
that's the artist's thing.
00:35:01.76\00:35:03.77
Here we talk
about being an artist.
00:35:03.80\00:35:07.54
You know, as a
songwriter and producer,
00:35:07.57\00:35:11.84
you're approaching it
00:35:11.87\00:35:15.38
from a bit of a
different place perspective.
00:35:15.41\00:35:18.91
But if you're
gonna sing or play a song
00:35:18.95\00:35:22.58
and really communicate
the essence of what it is,
00:35:22.62\00:35:27.16
I don't know that you can
unless you are invested in it.
00:35:27.19\00:35:31.59
I don't know how
else you can do it.
00:35:31.63\00:35:34.50
And, you know, so
yes, so I always did,
00:35:34.56\00:35:38.20
there're certain songs that I
00:35:38.23\00:35:39.57
gravitated toward like that song
00:35:39.60\00:35:40.94
I mentioned was the song that
00:35:40.97\00:35:42.74
I just from the very beginning.
00:35:42.77\00:35:44.41
It's like, man, that song,
I just connect with the story.
00:35:44.44\00:35:47.78
How it's presented, you
know, how it was put together.
00:35:47.81\00:35:51.55
So, yeah, very
invested in what I do
00:35:51.58\00:35:56.22
and the music that I write
00:35:56.25\00:35:58.35
and the music that God gives me.
00:35:58.39\00:36:00.12
You know, there are
times when it feels like
00:36:00.19\00:36:02.22
I'm almost more taking
dictation than really creating.
00:36:02.26\00:36:05.63
Yeah, and I've heard
other artists say that.
00:36:05.66\00:36:07.76
Yeah, I write stuff it's not me.
00:36:07.76\00:36:09.10
Yeah.
00:36:09.13\00:36:10.47
It's just kind of
flowing through me.
00:36:10.50\00:36:11.83
Yeah, yeah.
00:36:11.87\00:36:13.20
And I understand
that in and as a producer
00:36:13.23\00:36:15.10
you got to be little more
clinical, little more surgical.
00:36:15.14\00:36:17.01
Little more.
00:36:17.04\00:36:18.37
Yeah, that's probably
good way of thinking about it.
00:36:18.41\00:36:19.74
Yeah, but this one you
can kind of just surrender
00:36:19.77\00:36:21.34
to what's going on.
00:36:21.38\00:36:22.71
Right, right. Yeah.
00:36:22.74\00:36:24.08
You're
facilitating as a producer.
00:36:24.15\00:36:25.48
You know, what I mean,
you're sort of helping an artist
00:36:25.51\00:36:27.12
get to that place
with them, you know so.
00:36:27.15\00:36:30.19
Yeah. Well done. Man,
it's good talking you.
00:36:30.22\00:36:32.29
Yeah. This is great.
00:36:32.32\00:36:33.66
Whenever we got a
chance, we have to just schedule
00:36:33.69\00:36:35.22
one of these about once a month
as we catch up, we connect.
00:36:35.26\00:36:39.06
Man, it's just good stuff.
00:36:39.09\00:36:40.83
When you were here
last year, it was work.
00:36:40.90\00:36:44.03
It is we're working, we were
working with producer thing.
00:36:44.07\00:36:45.60
Good to hangout this time. Yeah.
00:36:45.63\00:36:47.00
We have a good time little bit.
00:36:47.04\00:36:48.37
"I Turn to You",
set that up for me.
00:36:48.40\00:36:49.74
"I Turn to You," I wrote with
a really dear friend of mine,
00:36:49.77\00:36:52.51
an artist that God
connected me with...
00:36:52.54\00:36:54.98
who lives in Stockholm.
00:36:55.01\00:36:56.58
And just I can't...
00:36:56.61\00:36:58.41
I have to think
about how we even met,
00:36:58.45\00:36:59.85
it feels like we've
known each other forever.
00:36:59.88\00:37:01.82
But again like
with Hallerin, you know,
00:37:01.85\00:37:03.45
I had this skeleton of an idea
that she helped me flush out.
00:37:03.52\00:37:06.82
And I've been thinking
a lot more recently, CA,
00:37:06.89\00:37:11.23
about what is the
difference between
00:37:11.26\00:37:15.40
a believer and a nonbeliever?
00:37:15.43\00:37:17.70
And a big part of that, man, is
00:37:17.73\00:37:21.54
where do you turn
when things are great,
00:37:21.57\00:37:26.14
when you're like, "Oh,
man, I had the best day."
00:37:26.17\00:37:28.28
Right.
00:37:28.31\00:37:29.64
Where do you turn? Yeah.
00:37:29.68\00:37:31.01
When everything's fallen
apart and it's just chaotic,
00:37:31.05\00:37:35.15
where do you turn, you know?
00:37:35.18\00:37:36.69
And so this
song, "I Turn to You",
00:37:36.72\00:37:39.42
kind of came out of
that idea of just celebrating
00:37:39.45\00:37:43.06
that we have a place
where we can turn, man.
00:37:43.09\00:37:45.86
Amen.
00:37:45.89\00:37:47.23
It's just, you
know, no matter if it's,
00:37:47.30\00:37:48.73
things are up
or things are down,
00:37:48.76\00:37:50.83
you have a place you can turn.
00:37:50.87\00:37:52.20
All right. I Turn to You.
00:37:52.23\00:37:53.57
I Turn to You.
00:37:53.60\00:37:54.97
What can I say
00:38:21.30\00:38:24.27
Tell me where to begin
00:38:24.30\00:38:28.04
How to explain it
00:38:31.64\00:38:34.48
How I've been changed within
00:38:34.51\00:38:40.52
Amazing grace caught me in time
00:38:40.55\00:38:45.49
Gave me new life
00:38:45.52\00:38:48.12
Now it's to you
that I run to Jesus
00:38:48.16\00:38:52.16
I turn to you and in all
00:38:52.19\00:38:55.33
I go through give You praise
00:38:55.36\00:39:02.44
I turn to you, Lord, the things
00:39:02.47\00:39:05.51
That You do I'm amazed
00:39:05.54\00:39:12.55
You are the joy
00:39:12.58\00:39:15.75
I'll never comprehend
00:39:15.78\00:39:23.12
What a life
00:39:23.16\00:39:26.19
I'll never face again
00:39:26.23\00:39:32.03
So when my life presses me down
00:39:32.07\00:39:37.34
I'll just hold on
00:39:37.41\00:39:39.84
And it's to you
that I run to Jesus
00:39:39.87\00:39:43.75
I turn to you and in all
00:39:43.78\00:39:46.82
I go through give You praise
00:39:46.85\00:39:53.66
I turn to you
00:39:53.69\00:39:55.72
Lord, the things that you do
00:39:55.76\00:39:58.33
I am amazed, I am amazed
00:39:58.36\00:40:04.23
I turn to you and in all
00:40:04.27\00:40:07.34
I go through give You praise
00:40:07.40\00:40:14.38
I turn to you
00:40:14.41\00:40:16.31
Lord, the things
that you do, I am amazed
00:40:16.34\00:40:21.58
You're worthy
00:40:21.62\00:40:23.85
Of all the glory
00:40:23.89\00:40:29.32
You're reigning majesty
00:40:29.36\00:40:34.56
Dominion empower
00:40:34.56\00:40:39.40
You're more than the world to me
00:40:39.43\00:40:44.91
To me
00:40:44.94\00:40:47.21
I turn to you and in all
00:40:47.24\00:40:50.08
I go through give You praise
00:40:50.11\00:40:56.92
I turn to you, Lord,
the things that you do
00:40:56.95\00:41:02.49
I am amazed, I am amazed, Lord
00:41:02.52\00:41:06.93
I turn to you and in all
00:41:07.00\00:41:09.83
I go through give You
praise, give You praise
00:41:09.86\00:41:13.80
Lord, You're worthy, worth alone
00:41:13.84\00:41:16.77
I turn to you, Lord,
the things that You do
00:41:16.81\00:41:21.14
I am amazed, I am amazed
00:41:21.18\00:41:26.15
Lord, I turn to You,
turn to You, turn to You
00:41:26.18\00:41:32.59
For the questions of
life, for the questions of life
00:41:32.62\00:41:36.89
Lord, I turn to You,
turn to You, turn to You
00:41:36.93\00:41:43.13
When I don't have
any place else to go
00:41:43.16\00:41:46.17
Lord, that's when I turn to You
00:41:46.20\00:41:49.27
Turn to You, turn to You
00:41:49.30\00:41:53.54
Oh, Lord, I turn
00:41:53.61\00:41:57.38
Lord, I turn to You,
turn to You, turn to You
00:41:57.41\00:42:04.02
I turn to you and in all
00:42:09.09\00:42:12.19
I go through give You praise
00:42:12.23\00:42:15.80
I turn to you, Lord,
the things that You do
00:42:19.27\00:42:23.87
I am amazed
00:42:23.91\00:42:27.34
Oh, Lord, I turn to you
00:42:27.38\00:42:34.95
Amen. I like
that, "I Turn to You".
00:42:43.93\00:42:46.26
That's your question and we're
kind of trading a line here
00:42:46.29\00:42:48.70
because when
you're writing a sermon,
00:42:48.73\00:42:52.67
there are times
hopefully or preferably
00:42:52.70\00:42:56.74
that you are under the spirit
of God every time you do that,
00:42:56.77\00:42:58.97
but the truth is
there are times when you,
00:42:59.01\00:43:00.98
as you put the pen
down or you finish typing,
00:43:01.01\00:43:03.45
you know, you got some hot.
00:43:03.48\00:43:04.98
You know, it's just
like you've gotten this,
00:43:05.01\00:43:07.02
you've gone to
some place, you know,
00:43:07.05\00:43:08.48
and you can't wait till Sabbath.
00:43:08.52\00:43:10.32
So during the service
you have the choir singing
00:43:10.39\00:43:13.76
and they're doing announcements
and you kind of rocking,
00:43:13.79\00:43:15.79
it's like get rid of this
because I got something to say,
00:43:15.82\00:43:17.93
you know, kind of thing.
00:43:17.96\00:43:19.29
Does that happen in music too?
00:43:19.33\00:43:20.70
I think so. Yeah.
00:43:20.73\00:43:22.03
There for sure, there are things
00:43:22.06\00:43:23.40
that you get excited about
00:43:23.43\00:43:24.77
because you like
it, you like, man.
00:43:24.80\00:43:26.13
Yeah. Doing something for
you. I got to share this thing.
00:43:26.17\00:43:27.77
Right. Right. Right. Yeah.
00:43:27.80\00:43:29.14
I totally agree. Yeah.
00:43:29.17\00:43:30.61
I think so to there
are things that you just,
00:43:30.67\00:43:32.81
that you just connect with.
00:43:32.84\00:43:34.31
I think that's
an important part of
00:43:34.34\00:43:36.71
what helps the
audience connect to
00:43:36.75\00:43:38.55
and we talked about
that a while ago where
00:43:38.58\00:43:40.78
if you like it and
you connect with it...
00:43:40.82\00:43:42.58
Right.
00:43:42.62\00:43:43.95
I think it makes a
difference with the way,
00:43:43.99\00:43:45.32
in the way you present
it and the way you share it.
00:43:45.35\00:43:47.22
You know, while we're
talking little bit ago,
00:43:47.26\00:43:48.62
we got to get and
plug for your wife
00:43:48.66\00:43:50.03
because you
mentioned your children.
00:43:50.09\00:43:51.43
Right. But she is a doctor.
00:43:51.46\00:43:52.96
Right. Dr.
Helen Powell-Stoddart.
00:43:52.99\00:43:55.50
Indeed.
00:43:55.53\00:43:56.90
And, man, she is
really an amazing woman
00:43:56.93\00:43:59.80
and she is an
interventional pain specialist.
00:43:59.83\00:44:03.74
But both of her
parents passed away prematurely
00:44:03.81\00:44:06.57
from diet exacerbated illnesses.
00:44:06.61\00:44:08.58
Wow.
00:44:08.61\00:44:09.94
Heart disease,
blood pressure, cancer.
00:44:09.98\00:44:12.88
And so she just
through that develops
00:44:12.91\00:44:16.15
this real passion for
wellness, diet, nutrition.
00:44:16.18\00:44:19.75
So she spends a lot of
time working on great recipes
00:44:19.79\00:44:25.33
to help people to transition
00:44:25.36\00:44:26.70
toward a more plant-based diet.
00:44:26.73\00:44:28.66
And, man, she is
researching everything
00:44:28.70\00:44:31.40
from weight
transformation to slowing aging,
00:44:31.43\00:44:38.84
I mean,
anti-aging it's all so really
00:44:38.87\00:44:40.74
and she is a
pretty good cook too.
00:44:40.78\00:44:42.18
Yeah. We're praising that.
00:44:42.21\00:44:43.55
I tell you, man, I'm
slow going out the door
00:44:43.61\00:44:45.65
when I got to go the airport.
00:44:45.68\00:44:47.02
I'm just like I got to
eat at these restaurants,
00:44:47.08\00:44:48.85
I can't wait to get back home.
00:44:48.88\00:44:50.25
But, yeah, really a
powerful thing that she is doing
00:44:50.29\00:44:52.55
and she recently opened her
own practice and DRHelenPs.com.
00:44:52.59\00:44:57.83
D-R-Helenps.com. All right.
00:44:57.86\00:44:59.86
Just really great resources
for people looking to again
00:44:59.89\00:45:03.67
transition to plant-based
diet, deal with weight issues or
00:45:03.70\00:45:08.94
specific disease processes,
she's helping people develop...
00:45:08.97\00:45:12.64
Praise the Lord.
00:45:12.67\00:45:14.01
Diets that will help
them manage those things.
00:45:14.08\00:45:16.01
And she's keeping
you trim so all is well.
00:45:16.04\00:45:17.45
Yes. She is keeping, man.
00:45:17.48\00:45:18.81
I have to chuckle
because she looks so young.
00:45:18.85\00:45:22.75
I'm aging and she is
looking younger and younger.
00:45:22.78\00:45:25.89
I said, man, I
got to do something.
00:45:25.92\00:45:27.76
All right.
00:45:27.79\00:45:29.12
I'm gonna have to get
on her anti-aging program.
00:45:29.16\00:45:30.76
Indeed.
00:45:30.83\00:45:32.16
I can say people
won't look at me and say,
00:45:32.19\00:45:33.53
what are you doing
with that young woman?
00:45:33.56\00:45:34.86
Yeah, we got to
get her here, man,
00:45:34.93\00:45:36.23
'cause it seems like
she has a lot to share.
00:45:36.26\00:45:37.60
She has a lot of
great things to say.
00:45:37.63\00:45:38.97
Yeah. Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:45:39.00\00:45:40.34
We got one more song "Anything,"
00:45:40.37\00:45:41.70
set that up for us, John.
00:45:41.74\00:45:43.07
I recorded a
record back in 2003 called
00:45:43.10\00:45:45.64
"Wings to Walk this Road".
00:45:45.67\00:45:47.04
All right.
00:45:47.08\00:45:48.41
We had to talk
about that another time.
00:45:48.44\00:45:49.78
The very last song
that I wrote for that record
00:45:49.81\00:45:52.01
was this song
called, "Anything".
00:45:52.05\00:45:53.78
And it was one of those songs
that was like taking dictation.
00:45:53.82\00:45:59.25
But it was an
interesting experience
00:45:59.29\00:46:03.76
because the
song sort of proclaim
00:46:03.79\00:46:08.73
something about me
00:46:08.76\00:46:11.00
that I really
wouldn't at that point yet.
00:46:11.03\00:46:14.14
Oh, okay.
00:46:14.17\00:46:15.50
Or maybe still
I'm not quite there,
00:46:15.54\00:46:16.87
I'm striving to get there.
00:46:16.91\00:46:18.24
So it was one of those
songs that God gave me and says,
00:46:18.27\00:46:21.34
"This is the
place I'm taking you."
00:46:21.38\00:46:22.94
Okay.
00:46:22.98\00:46:24.31
So I've got to sing
this song "Anything",
00:46:24.35\00:46:25.91
Lord, I'll do anything
for you knowing that, man,
00:46:25.95\00:46:29.48
I'm not sure if I'm
quite there yet in my walk.
00:46:29.52\00:46:32.39
And so it's
humbling and encouraging
00:46:32.42\00:46:36.52
all at the same time
00:46:36.56\00:46:37.89
because you sing it
with the passion knowing that
00:46:37.93\00:46:39.26
God has proclaimed this over me.
00:46:39.29\00:46:40.90
So I'm gonna get
there eventually.
00:46:40.93\00:46:42.50
Alrighty.
00:46:42.53\00:46:43.87
But there is a humility in
singing it as well because,
00:46:43.93\00:46:45.93
you know, man, I know
I'm not quite there yet.
00:46:45.97\00:46:48.77
So anything, I
do anything for you.
00:46:48.80\00:46:51.81
All right. "Anything".
00:46:51.84\00:46:53.17
How do I get close to you
00:47:10.99\00:47:14.20
When you seem so far away?
00:47:14.23\00:47:19.33
What I wouldn't
give to talk to you
00:47:19.37\00:47:23.71
Face to face
00:47:23.74\00:47:26.04
I have to keep believing
00:47:26.07\00:47:32.78
That it won't be very long
00:47:32.81\00:47:36.12
Till the day I can look up
00:47:36.15\00:47:39.19
And it won't be a dream
00:47:39.22\00:47:44.26
Chains breaking all
around me, I can finally be free
00:47:44.33\00:47:50.83
So if you're
wondering what you mean to me
00:47:50.87\00:47:55.70
You've changed my whole reality
00:47:55.74\00:48:00.31
And nothing in this
world can take my heart
00:48:00.34\00:48:07.88
Because I'll do anything
00:48:07.92\00:48:14.32
Anything for you
00:48:14.36\00:48:17.66
I'll do anything
00:48:17.69\00:48:22.26
If you only ask me to
00:48:22.30\00:48:25.90
I'll do anything
00:48:25.93\00:48:30.94
Anything just to be with you
00:48:30.97\00:48:38.31
How do I keep getting up
00:48:38.35\00:48:41.55
Every time I fall down?
00:48:41.58\00:48:46.76
Such a strange kind of walking
00:48:46.79\00:48:50.13
with my feet up off the ground
00:48:50.16\00:48:53.60
But I'm not giving up
00:48:53.63\00:48:56.67
Till I make it back home
00:49:00.60\00:49:04.17
Where I know you'll be waiting
00:49:04.24\00:49:07.34
With your arms open wide
00:49:07.41\00:49:12.68
What a day for reunions
00:49:12.71\00:49:15.88
When we meet up in the sky
00:49:15.92\00:49:19.45
Somehow I know it
will be worth it all
00:49:19.49\00:49:24.66
These tears I
cry, the times I fall
00:49:24.69\00:49:28.83
Because you've made
yourself so very real to me
00:49:28.86\00:49:36.71
I do anything
00:49:36.74\00:49:42.11
Anything for you
00:49:42.14\00:49:45.25
I do anything
00:49:45.28\00:49:49.72
If you only ask me to
00:49:49.75\00:49:53.49
I do anything
00:49:53.56\00:49:56.16
Just to be with you
00:50:00.63\00:50:04.57
And I'll go anywhere
00:50:04.60\00:50:10.41
Just to be right by your side
00:50:10.47\00:50:14.28
Give up everything
00:50:14.31\00:50:18.78
Just to look into your eyes
00:50:18.81\00:50:22.65
I do anything
00:50:22.68\00:50:27.42
Anything just to be with you.
00:50:27.46\00:50:32.23
I'm waiting for the day,
00:50:32.26\00:50:36.06
when we can fly away
00:50:36.10\00:50:39.83
Promise me you'll
live inside my heart
00:50:39.87\00:50:47.58
My heart
00:50:47.61\00:50:52.05
I do anything
00:50:52.08\00:50:57.22
Anything for you
00:50:57.25\00:51:00.26
I do anything
00:51:00.29\00:51:04.59
If you only ask me to
00:51:04.63\00:51:08.03
I do anything
00:51:08.06\00:51:12.53
Anything just to be with you
00:51:12.57\00:51:18.44
And I would go I go anywhere
00:51:18.47\00:51:23.91
If I could be right by your side
00:51:23.95\00:51:27.38
I give up everything
00:51:27.42\00:51:31.59
If I can look into your eyes
00:51:31.62\00:51:35.26
I would do anything, anything
00:51:35.29\00:51:42.66
I would do anything to be
00:51:42.70\00:51:46.97
If I could just be with you
00:51:47.00\00:51:50.57
I would do anything, anything
00:51:50.64\00:51:58.15
I would do anything
00:51:58.18\00:52:02.92
Anything just to be with you
00:52:02.95\00:52:08.52
And I would go I go anywhere
00:52:08.56\00:52:13.80
If I could be right by your side
00:52:13.83\00:52:17.47
Give up everything
00:52:17.53\00:52:21.47
If I can look into your eyes
00:52:21.50\00:52:24.97
I would do anything
00:52:25.01\00:52:28.24
Anything
00:52:37.55\00:52:41.56
Anything for you
00:52:41.59\00:52:44.49
I do anything
00:52:44.53\00:52:49.10
If you only ask me to
00:52:49.13\00:52:52.83
I do anything
00:52:52.87\00:52:58.04
Anything just to be with you
00:52:58.07\00:53:04.18
And I'll go anywhere
00:53:04.25\00:53:10.72
If I could be right by your side
00:53:10.79\00:53:14.82
Give up everything
00:53:14.86\00:53:19.69
Just to look into your eyes
00:53:19.73\00:53:23.87
I'll do anything
00:53:23.93\00:53:27.00
If you would like to support
John Stoddart's music ministry
00:53:46.59\00:53:49.66
or purchase his CDs,
00:53:49.69\00:53:51.56
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00:53:51.59\00:53:53.66
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00:53:53.70\00:53:57.20
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00:53:57.23\00:54:00.94
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00:54:00.97\00:54:07.01
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00:54:07.08\00:54:11.08
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00:54:11.11\00:54:15.12
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00:54:15.15\00:54:20.06
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00:54:20.09\00:54:26.03