Participants: CA Murray (Host), Jeffrey Cobb
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY016037A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people. 01:07 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:10 My name is CA Murray, and thank you once again 01:12 for sharing just a little of your day with us. 01:15 And as always, we do thank you for your love, 01:17 your prayers, your support 01:19 of Three Angels Broadcasting Network. 01:21 We thank you for your partnership 01:22 over the last 31 plus years of assisting us 01:29 in doing what God has called us to do, 01:31 every time we go out, every time we preach, 01:33 every time we teach. 01:34 As we travel literally the world, 01:36 we see what God is doing through this ministry. 01:40 And just recently, I was out in California, 01:42 and saw again the blessings of God 01:45 through the ministry as lives were changed, 01:47 and just some miraculous things, 01:49 and I'm always mindful of and cognizant of the fact 01:53 that we couldn't do what we were called to do. 01:54 We couldn't produce one program without the love, 01:58 the prayers, 01:59 the tangible support of those who partner with us 02:02 because you too want to see Christ come soon. 02:05 You want to see the work of God finished in the world. 02:07 We are hearing every day 02:09 of things happening around this world 02:11 that make us long for heaven and for our heavenly home. 02:14 And I'm thankful for those who assist in that, 02:16 because for those of us who are in the church, 02:20 for those of us who serve the cause of Christ, 02:22 we know that there is a big field out there 02:24 that needs to be work. 02:25 There're young people, older people, 02:27 middle age people who need to hear about the gospel. 02:29 But particularly our young people 02:31 who are in such peril with the internet 02:34 and so many other things happening in the world today. 02:37 We need Jesus as never before. 02:39 And there are those who God has called 02:41 and given a testimony and allow to have a testimony 02:44 who use that testimony 02:46 and the calling of God to touch lives 02:48 and one such person is my guest for today. 02:51 And this is Jeffrey Cobb. 02:52 Jeffrey, good to have you here. Glad to meet. 02:55 It's been-- 02:56 Oh, man, I'm trying to think, we got to talk about five, 02:59 seven years since we've been here-- 03:00 Yes. 03:02 Together and you're looking well. 03:03 Thank God. 03:05 And you haven't lost any pounds, 03:06 the Lord is feeding you, He is keeping you-- 03:08 Amen. Amen. Taking care of you. 03:09 But we praise His name. 03:11 But it's been a little while, man, and I'm glad you're back, 03:14 back up from Florida. 03:17 The weather a little better this time 03:18 than I think last time we had this feeling 03:20 that was a little chillier last time 03:21 but it's been a few years, 03:23 but you still working for the Lord. 03:25 You got a great ministry, great testimony man. 03:27 Amen. Amen. Yeah, yeah. 03:28 We're going to walk back through that 03:30 because since he has not been here 03:31 for several years. 03:32 Many of you may not know his testimony, know his name. 03:34 God has brought him from a lot of stuff, 03:37 and given him a very special ministry, 03:39 but has also given-- 03:40 You know, Jeff, what's interesting 03:41 is when you look at your life, 03:43 and you look at all the stuff you go through. 03:45 God can use even that negative stuff 03:48 as a stepping stone 03:51 as a reservoir for the ministry you now have. 03:55 In other words, you bring to your ministry 03:57 a certain pedigree, 03:59 a certain testimony that allows you to say, 04:02 "Hey man, I've been there, I've done that, 04:05 I know that's a dead end." 04:06 That others who wouldn't have that pedigree 04:08 couldn't make that statement. 04:10 Amen. Amen. Yeah. Yeah. 04:11 Let's before going to our music, 04:13 let's go back a little ways and talk about where you born? 04:17 I was born in Miami, Florida. Miami, Florida, Florida guy? 04:19 Yes. Christian home? 04:21 Christian home, yes. 04:23 Adventist Christian home or just? 04:25 No, just raised a Baptist. 04:27 All right, brothers and sisters? 04:28 Yes, I have three sisters and four brothers. 04:31 All right. 04:32 Give me some flavor, man, of your early childhood? 04:36 Let's start early childhood? 04:37 My early childhood, I was, you know, 04:40 a student in school doing well. 04:44 You know, started, you know, 04:46 hanging out with my older brother, 04:49 you know, in the streets to drugs, the women. 04:52 I started in that aspect of my life and that led me to, 04:57 you know, gang, shootouts, kidnapping, 05:02 down with organization of corrupt the judges, 05:04 police officers, and lawyers for 20 years. 05:09 Let me ask you this, how, 05:10 you say hanging out with your older brother. 05:12 Of course, you're influenced by older brother. 05:13 And it is true that young kids, 05:16 young boys tend to want to model themselves 05:19 after an older brother, 05:20 particularly if they see him kind of making it 05:22 and kind of successful. 05:24 What kind of age are we talking about 05:25 you hanging out with the older brother? 05:27 I was at 15. Fifteen, okay. 05:30 So you're old enough 05:31 to kind of see and make decisions. 05:34 What were the kinds of things 05:35 that he began to introduce you to? 05:38 He started introducing me to, you know, marijuana, 05:42 "Hey man, you know, just put this up, 05:44 help me package up this." 05:46 And then it went from that to cocaine. 05:51 Were you always following him 05:53 or did you kind of branch out on your own 05:55 as you got a little bit older? 05:56 No, I was always following him. 05:59 You know, he was my God. Okay. 06:01 Because anything I needed, if I needed money, 06:03 if I needed new sneakers or whatever, I just go to him, 06:07 "Hey, hey, hey, no problem." 06:09 And he's able to do that. Yeah. Yes. 06:11 Was that lifestyle what you saw him 06:15 working his way into and through 06:17 kind of attracted to you, attractive to you? 06:18 Absolutely, you know, all those money, you know, 06:23 socks of money, shoe boxes, I remember converses you know, 06:28 boxes of money. 06:29 I was like, "Hey, I want that." Yeah, yeah, bless your heart. 06:32 How were you doing in school at this point in time? 06:36 I was doing well. 06:37 In school I played football and I was running back in 1979. 06:42 Don't you say? 06:43 So I got offer from Florida State. 06:45 But, you know, with my brother, you know, 06:49 following him, I took the dope game. 06:52 I took the drug. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 06:57 Using, selling, pushing, 06:58 where were you in that, continue? 07:01 I started out selling them. 07:02 Most of the sellers, 07:03 they become their best customers. 07:05 So I became my best customer. 07:08 At the top end 07:10 what was your habit in dollars per day? 07:14 I worked with organization, 07:15 we were making $70,000 a night in Miami. 07:18 Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man. 07:21 How much were you using a day dollar amount? 07:24 It started, you know, minimum, you know that I love parties, 07:28 so then it went to like $600 a day. 07:32 See, that's a whole heap of money. 07:34 And there's like the old saying, 07:35 they say, "Free stuff kill you." 07:37 My brother had it all, so it was free so, you know. 07:41 Yeah, now how was he handling it, 07:42 was he pretty successful? 07:44 I mean, was he, did he pick up a habit 07:46 or is he just sort in a retail end. 07:49 No, he, he picked up a little habit, 07:52 but he was able to maintain, maintain. 07:57 And different people respond to drugs differently, 08:00 you know-- 08:01 Absolutely. 08:03 You know, some people one time hooked, 08:05 others have a little more tolerance, 08:07 other seem to be able to-- 08:08 Where were you in that? 08:10 I think I went a while before I got hook, 08:13 I can use a go head on and function, 08:16 and do what I needed to do, and after a while, you know, 08:21 it start taking the best of me. 08:24 Now when you say taking the best of me, 08:27 walk us through what that experience was? 08:29 I started using more. 08:32 I started doing more crazier stuff, 08:36 didn't know, just lost control just, 08:41 because the organization I was, 08:43 we were like, I was untouchable. 08:46 You know I can do this and do that 08:49 and I'm not going nowhere, you know, in that aspect. 08:53 Yeah, when you are surrounded 08:55 by a fairly large group of people 08:57 doing the same stuff you're doing, 08:59 you tend to feel kind of Teflon like, you know, 09:01 nothing is going to stick to me, 09:02 I'm kind of fine. 09:06 Was that kind of your mindset, 09:07 and I can kind of involved in it, 09:08 so I'm not going to jail, I'm not going to be succumb, 09:11 overcome by this thing, I can handle this. 09:13 Right, yes. 09:15 That was in my mind like, hey, guy, 09:17 you don't corrupt the cops 09:19 and lawyers and judges and all that. 09:22 I'm not going nowhere, I can do what I want to do. 09:25 And I just got wild in the community 09:28 just doing stuff careless 09:30 and shootouts and all that stuff. 09:34 So you were-- 09:36 I'm getting a picture of a real kind of gangland guy. 09:38 You're involved in a large organization. 09:41 You've got a lot of people working for you, with you, 09:42 under you, beside you, a lot of, 09:45 a lot of money flowing back and forth. 09:47 Yes. Yes. 09:48 So you're just on the train, man, just kind of ride. 09:49 I'm just going along with the flow 09:51 and enjoying life I thought. 09:55 About how old at this time? 09:58 By this time I was maybe about 21. 10:02 Twenty one. Yes. 10:03 So at 21 years of age, 10:05 your personal dollar handle per day 10:08 is about how much money is flowing through your hands. 10:12 I can say from... 10:16 10,000 to 15,000 a day. 10:19 That's going through-- 10:20 My hand. Jeffrey's hand. 10:22 That's just your cut. Yes. 10:23 Yeah. Yeah. Yes. 10:25 That's seductive man, 10:26 $15,000 a day at 21 years of age, 10:29 that's hard to break out of that. 10:30 Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. 10:34 Was your-- 10:36 Were your parents, your mom, your dad, your parents, 10:38 the rest of your siblings were aware 10:39 of the kind of life you were living? 10:43 Oh, yes. 10:44 Didn't know and it's-- 10:47 You know, when my mom, I mean, you know, 10:48 she got sick and she couldn't work 10:50 so that's really what pushed me out 10:53 to start selling the drugs. 10:54 She couldn't work, my dad, he was getting older. 10:58 So I was like, "You all don't worry about it, 11:00 I've got, I'll take it." 11:01 Yeah, so this is kind of like an altruistic thing, 11:03 you're taking care of your parents. 11:05 Right, right, right, and my dad, 11:06 he was like, "Oh man, this truck here is no good." 11:09 I went me and my brother 11:11 we brought him a brand new truck, 11:13 came back and gave him the key. 11:14 Gave him the key. He said, "What this for?" 11:15 This is yours. 11:17 You know, we were just doing it like that. 11:19 Yeah, and you can always find a way 11:21 to put a little bow on your stuff, 11:23 you know, make it look kind of nice. 11:25 I'm taking care of my folks. Right, to justify. 11:27 Right, to justify, precisely. 11:29 I need to ask you a couple things, 11:33 and I want to go to music and come back 11:34 and talk what you're doing today. 11:38 Was there ever a times in this, you ride in train 11:41 and sometimes life can be spinning so fast, 11:43 you don't even get time to think, 11:44 you know, you just acting and reacting. 11:47 You know, you're not even processing. 11:49 But where there ever times when the Holy Spirit 11:51 or your own mind 11:52 or your own sense of right and wrong said, 11:54 "Hey man, this ain't cool, 11:56 this is not what I would be doing." 11:58 Or were you just on the thing, just ride it so fast, 12:00 you didn't have time for that kind of thinking. 12:01 Yeah, it came a time late on down in life, 12:04 the down in life. 12:06 When I was doing all this, it was always in my mind, 12:10 it was some better. 12:12 I could never put my hand on it. 12:14 I couldn't ever I say, more money, more female, 12:17 more women, more getting high and I'll put my hand on it. 12:22 Right, right. Yeah, of course. But I never can put my hand. 12:25 Obviously, you're looking in the wrong place. 12:27 But it is interesting how that life can and I-- 12:30 you well know Jeffrey swallow you up. 12:32 Yes. 12:33 You know, you're making 15, $20,000 a day. 12:37 That's insane kind of money for a kid. 12:40 Yes. Yes. You know 15,000 a day. 12:42 There are people, families 12:43 who are living on 15,000 a year. 12:45 Yes. Yes. And you're making 15,000 a day. 12:48 Anything you see in a store, you walk down a street 12:51 and you see it in the window. 12:53 I can have that. Yes. 12:54 I've no problem. Let's go and buy it. 12:55 Yes. 12:58 You're dressing well, you're living well, 13:01 you got piles of cash, 13:03 and of course with that come "friends." 13:07 I'm gonna put that in quotes, you know. 13:09 So you got a lot of people around you, 13:11 some around you just leeching off you. 13:13 Some are around you because, you know, 13:15 they just like hanging with you 13:17 'cause you got the parties at your house, 13:19 so let's go there. 13:20 And of course, you're going to have women. 13:21 So it doesn't really allow you sometimes 13:24 time to think about who am I? 13:26 What am I doing? 13:27 But every now and again little 13:29 someone kind of prick your conscience. 13:30 Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 13:32 I guess a better life. Yeah. 13:33 You know, and I only found that once I got locked up 13:37 and I was facing 30 to life in prison. 13:42 And it came to me all that 13:45 you was looking for is in me, 13:49 is in Jesus, because I heard a voice one night 13:52 when I was in a County jail waiting to be going to trial. 13:57 And I heard a voice one night called me by my name, 14:00 I never heard his voice again. 14:02 I got up, 14:03 I went to the restroom in the prison. 14:05 I went all over around, nobody wasn't up. 14:08 Wow. 14:10 It must be guard and I looked in there and she was asleep. 14:12 And a voice that you can't explain 14:16 you never, it was-- 14:19 I mean a calm sweet voice. 14:22 And I have no doubt, it was Jesus. 14:23 That was Jesus. Praise the Lord. 14:25 What's interesting, Jeffrey, 14:26 and I know you can talk about this, 14:29 having done prison ministry. 14:31 A lot of people in prison will tell you, 14:33 I needed prison to slow me down, 14:35 so I could hear that voice. 14:37 Because I would submit to you 14:39 that that voice is calling you all the time. 14:42 But it had to get through $15,000 a day. 14:45 A ton of hang on friends, women, booze, alcohol, party, 14:50 drugs, that voice can't scream louder than that. 14:54 It's going to wait till that get silent, 14:55 then it's gonna talk. 14:57 So would you say that prison in a sense 15:02 gave you a chance to hear a voice 15:04 that you otherwise may not or would not have heard? 15:06 Absolutely, absolutely, that's a prison 15:11 and that's where I really accept Christ that in prison. 15:15 And just like you say, God can get a change 15:18 and we out there, you know, ripping and running, 15:21 he can't get out of tension. 15:23 So God allow us to go to prison where we can hear His voice 15:29 and then we can think about what He was doing. 15:32 Yeah, yeah. 15:33 I've heard that time and time and time again. 15:36 Prison gave me a chance to turn off some noise, 15:40 so I could hear a voice of God. 15:41 And it is not a long time after you getting there, 15:43 you get in the first, second night you're in there, 15:45 with some peace and quiet, 15:47 Lord is right there speaking to you. 15:48 Yes. And absolutely, absolutely. 15:51 When you heard that voice, was it something you fought 15:54 or did you kind of say, you know what, 15:56 maybe it's time for me to listen 15:57 to what's going on here. 15:59 Yeah, right away. 16:00 And I was tired of the life I was living, 16:03 but you know, you're trying to keep that image, 16:05 that bunch over there. 16:06 And once I heard a voice, I was like, 16:10 I knew it was the Lord because He started using me 16:13 to teach in a County jail in Miami County jail. 16:18 But it was some when I used to serve the drugs to people 16:22 and talk with them. 16:24 They were like, "You need to be a mentor or counselor, 16:27 man, you talk to people, you listen to people." 16:30 But, you know I wouldn't pay any attention, 16:32 come, get your drugs and go on. 16:35 So once I got in jail and I said, okay, Lord, 16:42 and I told the Lord, I said, I was, they were saying, 16:46 "What you're facing?" 16:47 They were like 30 to life in prison. 16:50 Because we had drug houses by the school, 16:53 we were selling to the kids. 16:55 And I said, "Lord, if you get me out of this one, 16:58 just this one." 16:59 I will serve you till I go into the grave till I die." 17:04 And by God grace, now has been happen 20 years. 17:07 Praise the Lord. Yeah. 17:08 They'll attack on a another low wrist slap 17:10 just because you're selling to kids. 17:12 Just the fact that you-- 17:13 you parked that little drug thing 17:14 near a school. 17:16 Your brother don't really take too much kindness 17:18 in that kind of stuff. 17:20 And that's what happened when ATF alcohol, 17:22 tobacco and firearm. 17:23 When they came in there, you know they were like, 17:25 "Jo, do you know you're dealing with blah, blah, blah." 17:29 I didn't go back to court for two years. 17:32 They set me for two years. Yeah. Yeah. 17:34 The judge were like, "I don't want to see his face." 17:36 Right, right, yeah, the fact that you're pushing the kids. 17:39 They don't take kindly to that at all. 17:41 No. No. No. No. No. Yeah, yeah, bless your heart. 17:45 You know what-- 17:46 and listening to your story 17:48 because I've heard parts of it before. 17:50 I look at Peter, 17:53 Peter had some character strength. 17:54 He had lot of character weaknesses. 17:56 But the Lord took those character flaws 18:02 and used them for His glory once he got converted. 18:05 Because they say, when you, 18:06 when you're converted strengthen your brother. 18:08 Here you are. 18:10 You're selling drugs and given counsel, you know-- 18:14 Yes. Yes. 18:16 Because this is in your nature to try to help folk, 18:19 even when you're selling them drugs. 18:21 So I'll give you drugs, 18:23 but also to tell your how to get your life straight. 18:24 You know, you think kind of thing like that, 18:26 and then what's interesting is the Lord is saying, 18:30 "If I can get that drug sale part out of this life, 18:34 that counseling background I can use that." 18:36 Because that's his nature, 18:37 his nature is to try to help people. 18:39 You know even to the point where he's using his drug money 18:41 to help his parents, 18:43 so that there's some good in there 18:46 that God is saying, "If I can get this, 18:48 this other stuff out of here. 18:49 I think I've got some skills here, 18:51 that I can use for My glory." 18:54 Absolutely, and while you bringing up that pint. 18:58 And I think one reason why I didn't get really time 19:01 but I was in at least six months about it 19:05 every facility in Miami-Dade 6. 19:07 I've been to prison four time. 19:09 But in the community 19:11 when I heard somebody lights was off, I'll go pay it. 19:15 You know I'm like, "Hey, hey whole day I give him a-- 19:19 Yeah, man they'll spend all their money in drugs 19:21 and their lights off. 19:22 I go pay their light bill. Yeah. Yeah. 19:25 You know, and I come back to what you say, 19:27 "I always had in my heart of helping people." 19:29 Right, right. 19:31 Now and I need to be clear 19:32 because we're not trying to justify drug money, 19:35 to help folk or would you. 19:37 What I'm saying is under all that crust, 19:40 there was some good there. 19:42 It was being facilitated by drug money 19:45 and as I see Christ looking at our lives. 19:47 Christ says, I can take what's good in there, 19:50 scrape off the dirt off the top 19:53 and I can find some good down there.' 19:55 ' So he's looking at what you can be 19:58 with the entrance of His Spirit 20:01 and there's some good going on down there. 20:04 So he had to send you to jail 20:06 or at least he allowed you go to jail 20:08 one, two, three, four, four times? 20:10 I did, I went six times... Six times. 20:13 In the County for selling, I did four times in the prison. 20:15 Okay, so, had little fake, but... 20:17 Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Excuse me. 20:22 Yeah, but he got through. Yes. 20:23 Praise the Lord. Amen. 20:25 And it's been through many, many years. 20:26 So you know God is speaking to you, 20:30 you come out of there the last time 20:34 with a determination to do what? 20:38 To live for Christ 20:40 and reach back and help the ones 20:43 that what I went through 20:47 that I can grab their hand and help them. 20:50 And it's always when, 20:52 when the guy's got out of prison. 20:55 I was that person that always were there. 20:57 "Hey man, what's going on? 20:59 Here go a packet, you can make some money. 21:01 But God the last time say, I want to use you. 21:04 See, my job 21:06 when I was out there in the world into drug, 21:09 my job was to set up drug houses 21:12 in whatever community whatever it took, 21:14 that was my job, I want this. 21:16 I'm gonna set this up where I can bring 21:18 some more guys in to sell drugs. 21:21 Once I gave my life to Christ, He said, "I want you to use you 21:26 to set up houses where my daughters 21:29 and my sons come out of prison, where they can have a place, 21:33 where they can come 21:34 and where they can get a deeper relationship with me. 21:36 See that's what I'm saying, the exact parallel. 21:39 You had the organizational skills 21:43 from the drug days to set stuff up. 21:45 To go into the community, size up the community, 21:48 see what it needs in that case drug wise 21:51 but to see what it need 21:52 and then see how you can facilitate that. 21:54 Well, those skills, Jesus can use those skills. 21:56 Absolutely. 21:58 Yeah, he can use your networking skills, 21:59 you got the drive, you're self motivator. 22:01 You know you're up with the entrepreneur. 22:03 You know, you can do all that kind of stuff 22:05 for the cause of Christ. 22:07 So now Christ is saying, use that stuff for me, 22:10 and obviously you're hearing Him. 22:12 Absolutely. Yeah. 22:13 Praise God. Absolutely. 22:14 Let me ask you this, man. 22:16 When did the Adventist connection come for you? 22:19 I almost got a life sentence in prison over the Sabbath. 22:23 Because this guy say, "Hey man," 22:25 I said, "No, man, I don't gave my life to Christ." 22:28 He said, "Man, come go down to this service." 22:31 When I went down to the service, 22:33 this guy told my I couldn't eat a pork chop, shrimp, 22:37 couldn't drink no more good liquor. 22:39 I'm like, man, this guy is mad. 22:41 So I went by, you know, I have my knife in prison 22:45 and I grabbed the guy by the neck. 22:46 I said, "Man, if you ever tell me 22:48 to go back down to this junk, I'll cut your head off." 22:50 I was serious, man, you try on me." 22:52 Yeah. Yeah. 22:54 You know you try on me, man, with that foolishness. 22:58 Oh, man. 22:59 You figured, I gave up the drugs 23:01 and now you gonna take my pork, my beer-- 23:03 Yeah. Oh, man, no, no, no. You're taking everything else. 23:06 Because I grew up a Baptist 23:08 and I saw a lot of them doing it. 23:10 So I was like, hey man, that's the way to go, man. 23:13 I'm like you got to twist it bro, you know. 23:17 So that was, that was your first taste of Adventism. 23:20 Yes. Yeah. 23:22 How did the change come 23:23 'cause that was not actually a good introduction? 23:25 No, I went-- 23:26 Didn't meant to kill somebody, that's not good at all. 23:28 After they took me to my main prison 23:29 where I was going to do my time. 23:32 I get done and there were some guys from Miami. 23:35 You know they had drill, "Hey man, what's up, brother." 23:38 We got everything, I'm like, 23:39 "No, man, I now gave my life to Christ." 23:41 He said, "Okay man. 23:43 Let me introduce you to these brothers." 23:45 I say, "All right, say, hey man. 23:47 Looking at them, man, how you doing? 23:48 All right. 23:49 Hey man, we go to church on Saturday. 23:52 I was like, man, here got a Saturday junk again. 23:57 I say, "Okay, I'll go one time." 23:59 I went one time and I've been over 20 years. 24:02 All right, all right, I receive that. 24:04 Amen. Amen. Amen. 24:08 One good hook. One good. 24:09 What was the change? Was it change in you? 24:12 Was it change in your life? You're in a major facility now. 24:16 What was the change? 24:19 He would just after I-- 24:22 You know, after I look back and after, you know, 24:24 speaking with God 24:26 and how I've seen God was using me in the County jail. 24:30 It was strange in a County jail. 24:33 They would let me go up to different floors 24:35 and I was in the Bible, you know teaching. 24:38 They don't allow that. 24:39 They would let me go up to different floors 24:42 teaching Bible study. 24:43 And once as I came along, 24:45 the more and more and more I heard his voice 24:48 and I was at peace. 24:50 Once I got to prison and start going to 24:55 the Adventist service. 24:59 That message took away my, my drug habit. 25:04 And it was strange, I was like, oh, man. 25:08 I'm like, oh, man, I got peace. 25:11 I was like, man just taken away of my drug habit. 25:15 It had and I stared reading Patriarch and Prophet 25:20 written by Ellen White. 25:21 I just start reading that book and I couldn't put it down. 25:25 And I kept reading it, and reading it, and reading it. 25:29 It start changing my life and I was like, 25:32 "Hey, I don't want the drugs no more, I won't die." 25:35 And then I was saying, you know what, 25:37 I don't want to go back in that area. 25:39 I don't want to go back to Miami, 25:41 and that's when I decided to stay in Gainesville. 25:44 In Gainesville. Yeah, yeah. 25:47 As far as getting drugs in prison 25:50 and I'm not indicting the whole system just straight 25:52 and stating the fact, easy or difficult? 25:55 Oh, it's easy. Yeah. 25:57 See before I gave my life to Christ, 25:59 I was in the County jail. 26:02 You know every night, man, 26:04 we used to have plates of cocaine in the cell 26:07 just weed, alcohol, drinking and weed. 26:13 It was just like we were still on the street. 26:14 On a street. 26:15 So if you want to continue to have it, 26:17 prison is not an impediment to doing what you want to-- 26:19 No, no. 26:21 You can get it everything you want in prison. 26:25 Let's say as it did happen in a prison, 26:28 I'm going to preach. 26:30 Just let you know how corrupt the prison system. 26:35 Two inmates shot each other in prison. 26:40 So who brought the guns in? Right, precisely were two guns. 26:44 Two guns. Two guns, yeah. 26:46 And they shot each other in a prison. 26:47 In prison. Wow. 26:51 That's rough stuff. It's rough. 26:53 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's rough. 26:55 So you need, you need Christ in prison. 26:59 I always want to say more than you do on a street, 27:01 certainly as much as you do on a street 27:03 because it's like, it's rough inside 27:05 like it is outside. 27:07 Right, it's so rough where you just have certain area 27:10 you can go into prison, 27:12 you can't too much get away from it, 27:15 so you have to really make your mind up 27:19 that I'm going in this corner and this what I'm gonna do. 27:22 You know, I'm gonna give my life to Christ or Mary. 27:25 I'm gonna study, I'm gonna do what I need to do, 27:28 because if you don't have your life 27:30 right before you leave out of there, 27:33 there is no chance, because once you go out of door, 27:35 you go to drugs, the girls, the drugs, the alcohol, 27:39 all that type of stuff. 27:41 So you got to be able to have the victory 27:44 over that stuff in prison before you come out. 27:47 Uh-huh. 27:49 And you know, because you used to be one of the guys 27:52 waiting on the outside 27:53 to welcome him back into the old life. 27:56 Absolutely, absolutely. 27:58 And I used to go by the County jail 28:01 when the women come out, looking good, 28:03 hey what's up, what you're doing? 28:05 Where you going? 28:06 Well, I don't really have nowhere to go. 28:08 Hey, come on, I got some way, you got the drug, 28:10 you got the money." 28:12 I got you a apartment, 28:13 so now God is calling me to counteract that. 28:16 When they come out have transition houses 28:19 where they can come and get on their feet 28:22 and get to know God and provide them with job. 28:25 Yeah, now we're moving into your current 28:29 dare I say line of work. 28:31 Yes. 28:32 But it's based on those same skills 28:36 that you had developed before. 28:38 Waiting for people to come out, 28:39 so you can take them into their old life. 28:41 Now you're waiting for them to come out, 28:44 so you can help them have a new life. 28:45 Absolutely. Alrighty. 28:47 Talk to me about 28:48 what transition housing is all about 28:50 and how you figure into that? 28:52 Transition houses is for acts a friend of men and women 28:57 once they've been released. 29:00 See a lot of them when they, when they release you, 29:02 you just have 50 bucks, a one-way ticket. 29:05 Wherever you're going, 29:06 we gonna send you there with 50 bucks, 29:08 you're on your own. 29:10 So a lot of, once you're released what you have. 29:15 A lot of their parents have moved 29:16 from that area to another area 29:19 and so what you do is go back to what you know. 29:23 So transition house help you come to a place. 29:28 Shelter from the Storm is where you can come, 29:31 get to know Christ, provide you with a job, 29:35 where you don't have to work back in a society. 29:38 You don't have to worry about, oh I'm staying here, 29:41 so I don't got the rent money. 29:42 I got to go rob somebody 29:45 or sell some drug to pay my rent. 29:47 It's a place where you can be trans back in the community 29:50 with Christ in your life 29:52 and where myself and the staff 29:56 where we can walk you and help you hold your hands 30:00 as you come back in a community. 30:02 Okay, let's contextualize that, Jeffrey, just a little bit. 30:06 The ministry is Shelter from the Storm. 30:08 Yes. 30:09 Shelter from the Storm seeks to provide, 30:12 dare I say, a landing place 30:14 for people who come out of prison. 30:17 Because when you come out, you got $50 in your pocket 30:20 and a ticket to go someplace. 30:21 That's it. That's it. And that's it. 30:23 So really truth be told, they're almost daring you 30:30 not to go back into the old lifestyle. 30:32 Because you don't have a job, 30:35 you may or may not have some friends. 30:37 The people you know are the people from prison 30:40 or the people you knew before you went into prison. 30:43 Absolutely. And you just kind out there. 30:46 So the natural tendency my mind says, 30:48 is to go back to something familiar. 30:50 Go back to what you know. Yeah. 30:51 So you're gonna go, you're gonna ease your way 30:53 back into the old lifestyle 30:54 because you don't have a handle on a new lifestyle. 30:57 Oh, you haven't been shown a new way. 30:59 Precisely. Precisely. Yes. 31:01 So you're like the bridge now 31:03 to try to get them over the hump dare I say. 31:06 Absolutely. By providing one place to land. 31:10 You know some place to-- 31:11 Housing. 31:13 Housing, some shelter from the storm. 31:14 Yes, amen. Yeah. 31:16 And an employment? Yes. 31:18 Wow. 31:20 You look, what the Lord always say, 31:22 see where my uncle just go right back to you 31:25 say the skills. 31:26 My uncle, he had a lawn service, 31:28 so I used to cut lawn with him and this other guy, 31:31 I used to cut lawn and I was so good, 31:34 I'll go to prison and come back. 31:35 The next day I'm on the truck. Okay. 31:37 Oh, when I was selling drugs 31:39 and the police was hard on my trail. 31:42 I jump on to lawn, okay, hey man, I want to go to work. 31:44 Hey, come on. 31:46 So I did that, 31:48 and then you know when you, if you go on, 31:51 when you run. 31:53 You see guys on side of the road 31:54 cutting grass. 31:56 So the Lord say, "Okay, what I want to use you to do 31:59 is start up a lawn service." 32:01 So when the guy is already in prison, 32:03 they already doing lawn service. 32:05 So when they come into your facility, 32:08 you can give them a job, because all your application, 32:12 if you've been convicted of a felony, 32:14 they call it a box. 32:16 Once you check that, 32:17 your application go into trash can. 32:19 Yeah. Yeah. They go into trash can. 32:21 So these guys can't get job, so what they do? 32:24 They go back to what they know. 32:26 What I do employ these guys, not only that, 32:30 with a felony you cannot much get a place to live. 32:33 Just somehow in a made apartment I was living 32:36 and the roof fell in and they told me I had to move. 32:39 I went to go try to get apartment. 32:41 And I signed out the application, 32:43 they did deny me and that was like, 32:45 "Well, you got a felony conviction." 32:48 And I was like, 32:50 "Man, I have been almost 20 years." 32:52 They say, "You got to be out 20 years. 32:54 Say you one month from 20 years. 32:57 We still can't give you the apartment." 32:59 Wow. 33:00 So through the lawn service, 33:02 I'm able to provide them with jobs. 33:04 Also I have contact with realtors. 33:08 So when they get ready to move in their own place, 33:10 I go to the realtor, that lawns I'm taking care of, 33:13 I'm gonna say, "Hey, I got a guy coming out, 33:16 good guy, 33:17 can you rent him one of your apartment. 33:21 And I'll be the one and the guy, 33:23 they stand in and they say, 33:24 "Yeah, okay Jeffrey, that is good." 33:26 But I let the customer know from the lawn service. 33:30 The ministry that I'm doing 33:33 and one guy just met 33:37 and he was like, "What's you doing? 33:39 I am like, I'm cutting grass and I shared the testimony. 33:42 I say him, I'm having guy get out of jail in prison. 33:44 He sat me down and he say, 33:47 "Man, you're doing a good thing, 33:48 man, is needed." 33:50 He say, "Get in," I got in. He took me to his house. 33:55 It take four of us two hours the cut his lawn. 33:59 Oh, my soul. 34:00 So he said, he said, "I've got some big stuff coming up." 34:04 I say, yeah. 34:06 He say, yeah, I got some big stuff. 34:07 He said, I like what you're doing, 34:09 the ministry you're doing. 34:11 And he took me to the subdivision 34:14 where he is gonna built and develop a 100 homes. 34:18 He said, "I want you to do it right away." 34:20 And with this subdivision, 34:23 he said as we do to your houses. 34:26 We will recommend you to the owners. 34:30 And it was like, I had like two guys. 34:33 He said, man you need to get four guys. 34:35 He said, man, you, 34:36 are you going to be able to handle this stuff. 34:38 I won't lie. 34:39 Yeah, he said you need more guys and past I went 34:43 and I got some more guys and he took me 34:47 and we just started it this month the contract. 34:52 So we're doing, he say, hey man, 34:53 there's a lot of more stuff coming up. 34:55 I think you gonna need another truck 34:57 and more equipment. 34:58 I was like yeah. He said, yeah, he said, get in. 35:01 He went and took me to 30 more acres. 35:04 He say, I'm gonna be developing. 35:05 He says it's plenty of work, 35:07 is you going to be able to handle it. 35:09 And I said, Lord, you know, I need a blessing 35:12 with more lawn equipment and stuff. 35:14 And also where I can bring guys in 35:17 and they can have a job right away. 35:19 One of the things that touch me so much. 35:25 I had two guys in the house. 35:28 They were going, looking for a job 35:30 for a couple months. 35:32 And they were doing all that they can and they were, 35:36 they couldn't get a job. 35:37 You can see it in their face 35:39 that they were about to give up. 35:43 And I will pray with them every morning, 35:45 when I make sure when they come back, 35:47 I will be like, "Hey God, got a time." 35:49 And the guy were like, "Man, 35:51 I'm not looking for no lot of money. 35:52 I just want a few dollars in my pocket." 35:55 I went in my pocket and gave each one of them $30. 35:58 And that $30 hold them over 36:01 after that both of them were blessed with a job. 36:04 Now they have moved out and they are doing well. 36:07 Nice, nice, nice. 36:09 Obviously, the Lord is blessing your ministry. 36:11 I've got, you know, so many things, 36:13 I see how God is using those networking skills 36:17 that you used to employ for the devil, 36:19 you're now using for the Lord. 36:22 And He's bringing people into your path 36:24 to help facilitate what you're trying to do. 36:26 Are we talking about one transition house 36:29 that you run or several? 36:31 No, it's one, it's one at a time. 36:34 Like I told you before we came on, 36:35 I was rebellious. 36:37 I'm like, hey, I won't just do that stuff, 36:39 stay in my corner, man, I'm not going to go do it. 36:42 And right as I pray and I say, 36:46 "Lord, wherever you send me I'll go." 36:50 Okay. 36:51 So I'll call Brian to say, "Hey can you." 36:54 You know I was trying, I can tell you now, 36:56 I was trying to get you all to come in that prison 36:58 where inmates shot each other. 37:00 So I was like can you all come down here, 37:03 and do some taping, because when I go there, 37:05 it's from 150 to 200 guys come to the service. 37:09 So Brian would be like, no, 37:11 but, it's been a while since you came. 37:12 We'll like you to come here, 37:14 and we start talking about you know what I can do. 37:17 Now Brian, of course is our, is our Brian Hamilton, 37:20 our CFO here at 3ABN. 37:21 And after that, I start getting calls from Wyoming, 37:27 Michigan, Memphis, Tennessee, Barbados, 37:34 they were like "Hey, you need to come over here 37:37 and we need, you need to come train us 37:40 how to do transition houses. 37:42 And I was like, okay, I was like okay 37:46 and but they were like, we don't have the funds. 37:48 Hey, you can't, the church cannot take on this 37:51 because there's too much liability. 37:53 If one of these inmate do something, 37:54 they gonna try to sue the church. 37:56 The church so is a independent ministry. 37:58 I was like, Lord, you know, if you bless me with the funds, 38:02 I will go help these other one, 38:05 train them how to do a transition house. 38:08 And a transition house coexists I believe 38:11 the Seventh-day Adventists believe. 38:14 So one side, I say, "Okay Lord, I would do that." 38:19 And just while I was here yesterday, 38:23 and I was hearing the Lord say, you need to expand. 38:27 I'm like, Lord, why I need to expand. 38:29 He said, Go on ye. 38:31 He say, "The prison, the federal prison 38:34 that you gonna be going in next month, 38:37 that's a larger federal prison in the nation. 38:41 It's a hour away from me. 38:43 Pastor Dave was calling me so much 38:45 from the federal prison, 38:47 I was like man, I'm like I didn't did a crime or so. 38:50 You know 'cause I was busy and they wanted me to come in. 38:54 It's a larger federal prison in the United States. 38:57 And he said, "Now look at, 38:59 I just got a call from my Adventists 39:02 that work at the women prison. 39:03 She said, Jeff, man. 39:05 "We need a group as Adventist women here, 39:07 we need a group." 39:09 The Lord say, look that prison up. 39:11 When I looked at women prison up, 39:13 it's 30 minutes from me 39:15 is the largest women prison in the United State. 39:18 I was like, oh, my gosh. 39:20 So your little dream have hit in a rocking chair 39:23 just kind of went up in smoke 39:25 because God got some more stuff for you to do. 39:26 And I'm like, okay, I'm like okay 39:29 and the Lord say, you have to expand. 39:32 And by God's grace, God have sent the people. 39:38 We have a guy that came to the ministry, 39:41 the head deacon in the church. 39:44 And he working with pathfinders. 39:46 We got another guy 39:48 that he is a deacon in training. 39:51 He is the custodian in off the church. 39:54 We have another guy that came through the program, 39:57 he is married, 39:58 him and his wife, the one tutoring. 40:00 So the Lord, I was like, "Hey, you go, I need to expand. 40:03 They were like bad time. 40:05 I was like, "Hey man, you know, I don't have no money. 40:10 He say, Jeff, you know we got to get something. 40:13 He say, man, and all three of them say, 40:15 man, we will be willing to do two nights, 40:19 two nights a week for minimum wage. 40:22 Wow. Minimum wage. 40:23 We say we notice a minute, 40:25 and these guys have been out ten years, seven years, 40:30 five years, they have been now modified. 40:34 One of the guys been out ten years. 40:36 He's the one who's running the lawn service. 40:37 Wow. 40:39 While I'm here is ex offenders is running the lawn service 40:43 while I'm here. 40:45 Yeah, yeah. 40:46 Now, the Lord has given you a call to expand. 40:50 But he also has put the potential 40:52 for expansion in your path, 40:55 because you're meeting people who are saying, 40:57 "I'm gonna develop this land. 40:59 We're going to need lawn service. 41:00 I'm going to develop this piece of property. 41:02 We're going to need lawn service. 41:03 So the potential for growth is there, 41:06 but also the potential for jobs for people 41:08 when you, when you do grow. 41:09 Absolutely, and I give them a chance 41:11 because I'll be right out there with them, I love them all. 41:14 I'll be ministering to them all through the day. 41:18 Keeping us together because in the past 41:21 when they get these other jobs, the worldly job, 41:25 they get with the guys on the job, 41:28 they start drinking, they start using drugs, 41:31 they're not the wild, they were like, 41:32 hey, man, I'm gonna move. 41:34 You know, they get with their group. 41:37 But working with the lawn 41:38 been this and stuff we together. 41:41 I'm checking with them, I'm going to the job site. 41:44 We day-- 41:45 the house, the lawn service, the truck is right though. 41:49 So they just come right out of the house, 41:51 get in the lawn truck, go to work. 41:53 You don't have to worry about no transportation. 41:57 So that's a blessing to do. 42:01 I don't know, Jeff, 42:02 if there could be a more suited kind of employment. 42:05 You're outside in the sunshine and fresh air. 42:07 Yes. 42:08 You're in Florida, so it's good all the time. 42:10 Amen. Yes. Good most of the time. 42:12 You know, and it's a healthy environment 42:16 and it's controlled. 42:17 Now what I want to ask you is, 42:19 how do you weave your Adventist Christianity 42:24 into this mix. 42:27 You know what, what part does it play 42:29 into this whole, you know, you've got a house, 42:31 you've got people coming and going. 42:33 How do you filter Adventism into that whole thing? 42:35 What I do-- 42:38 anybody can come, any denomination. 42:43 But what I do, when I go into the prisons, 42:45 I go into the prison as open population. 42:49 That mean anyone can come. Right. 42:51 And once I started, the Lord start using me, 42:54 I'm preaching with my testimony, 42:56 where I used to be 42:58 and the Lord help me with a transition house. 43:00 A lot of guy be like, "Hey, I want to come." 43:03 I say, "You sure you want to come." 43:05 They were like yeah. 43:06 Before they come, 43:07 they have to sign the rules and regulations 43:09 where it say, you have to go to church, 43:11 worship on Sabbath, 43:12 you got to go to prayer meeting. 43:14 You got to go to NAAA. 43:16 If you don't have a GED, you got to go downtown 43:20 to take classes to get your GED. 43:22 Okay. So requirements there. Yes. 43:24 So that's what I do and a lot of time I preach, 43:27 they were like, "Hey, what denomination?" 43:29 I'm Seventh-day Adventist. 43:31 And that's what I do and they come to there 43:36 and a lot of them say, 43:38 "Hey man, I am ready but by God grace, 43:42 last year alone God allowed me to baptize over 100 guys 43:48 into the Seventh-day Adventist. 43:49 Praise the Lord. Praise God. 43:52 And a lot of guys I-- 43:54 right now I just went to my office 43:56 because I got this much letters 44:00 that people want to come to the transition house, 44:03 I care house number five. Yeah. 44:05 And I just looked at the stack, I was like, Lord, 44:08 I mean like Michigan, Georgia, Tennessee, 44:13 you know all over. 44:15 And I'm like, Lord, you gonna have to do 44:18 so I know you are going to do so. 44:20 Right. This is a exciting stuff. 44:21 Now, you can only take five max at a time? 44:24 Yes. Wow, wow. 44:26 That five must fill up fast. Real fast. 44:29 When I go back, 44:31 we're getting ready to do a lot of remodeling 44:33 because November 1st will be 14 years. 44:38 So I'm doing a little remodeling 44:39 because I got a group coming in around June, 44:43 a whole new group coming in. 44:45 So what do you do with the groups that you have? 44:48 They already moved out, they got their places, 44:50 I talked to a couple other relatives, 44:52 they have lounge for, they have places, 44:55 and I just don't take guys from prison, 45:00 this was exception. 45:02 When I go to preach at churches I try to find a prison. 45:06 I want to go in and preach, share. 45:08 Right. 45:10 And one day I went to this County Jail 45:11 and talking ministry into this guy. 45:15 One day I was riding and his mother called me, 45:19 she said, hey, Jeff. 45:21 She was crying, I said, what's going on. 45:23 She said my son used to go to church school all 45:26 and he left home at 15 and it's been 25 years. 45:31 Oh, my soul. 45:32 She says, he called me and says Mom, 45:36 I need to go away Jeff, 45:38 I need to go away somebody who can relate to me. 45:43 I think if I don't make this move away Jeff, 45:45 I'm gonna get killed out here. 45:47 His mom said, I'm glad there were no cop 45:49 'cause I made a U-turn in the middle of the street. 45:56 And she brought him and he made him laugh. 46:01 He said, hey, man, my mamma kidnapped me man. 46:03 Just put me in the car and brought me to you. 46:06 Right now the guy is doing good. 46:10 Praise the Lord. 46:12 He is doing great, man, he always call me 46:14 and say hey, man, I appreciate you, man. 46:17 He is doing so good. 46:19 Now, he's talking about being married 46:21 and he is back in the church after 25 years. 46:24 Twenty five years. Wow. 46:25 So this what the ministry provided. 46:28 You know because I've been out there, 46:31 I can relate. 46:32 I make sometime that decision to do that there. 46:37 We've had and heard about so much of success 46:41 has there any bit of time when you had to ask somebody 46:43 who just didn't want to cut it. 46:45 You got to go. Yes, yes. 46:47 Lot of the time I'll just, you know, 46:50 I talk and I just don't throw them out, 46:52 I say, hey, I'm gonna give you a week, 46:55 you know, to find you somewhere to go 46:58 because this is not good. 47:01 This is not getting this, you know. 47:06 In 14 years, I never had nobody want to jump on me, 47:11 strike me or knock me. 47:12 Matter of fact one guy came and he said hey, man. 47:16 He said, man, this is a good program but I'm not ready for. 47:21 He said, I want to leave but I can't. 47:23 I said what's your problem? 47:25 He said, man, I don't have no money to catch the bus. 47:28 I said that's no problem, and he said-- 47:33 I said man about you're being honest, 47:36 that you are not ready for this. 47:38 Or just, I'm gonna get my guard to take you out of town, 47:41 I'll get my guard to take you up 47:43 to the Greyhound bus station and they'll put you on the bus. 47:48 He was like, well, I don't have no money, 47:50 he don't have no money. 47:51 I said, don't worry it, God bless, 47:53 because right now I have the contract of the lawn 47:58 with the Greyhound bus station. 48:00 So they were able to put him on the bus 48:04 and I said just take it out from my money 48:05 when you pay me. 48:07 Yeah, yeah, so God really has given you the network 48:11 to be able to facilitate your dream. 48:13 So you have a cook there at the house, 48:14 are you cooking for them, 48:16 or the people make their own meals, 48:17 how does that work? 48:18 No, they do their own meals, and that's why I say, 48:22 I have to expand so I can get, but-- 48:27 Now they cook their own meals, and it would be fun. 48:31 They take turns cooking, 48:33 one brother, hey, man, I can cook, man. 48:36 As all the guys we come in, he posed to cook. 48:40 He don't know how to cook. 48:42 These guys come and they're hungry, 48:44 man they're hungry, man, 48:46 they're like, man, what this, man. 48:48 Oh, man, and we're just laughing, 48:50 everybody getting along. 48:51 And then you have some guy, man, I can burn, man. 48:55 Man, and they come, man, they cook, man, 48:58 and it's like I remember one guy, mane, he cooked, 49:00 he said, man, I'm gonna cook you some wild fish, man. 49:04 I'm gonna have a little blah, blah, yeah, right. 49:07 Man, that was the best fish I ever had. 49:09 Man, it was so good but, it showed him 49:12 how to set into a home environment 49:15 'cause we have meetings every Monday, 49:17 they meet me with any concerns. 49:20 Okay, so this is ongoing therapy 49:21 and counseling and helping them. 49:23 Absolutely. 49:24 You know, so, man, we have a good time. 49:28 Now, do you live yourself 49:29 at the house or you live in some place? 49:31 I lived there for about 10, 11 years. 49:37 But then I moved, I had to move out 49:40 because it was like, I was too close to them 49:43 once I got to discipline them. 49:45 It'd be like, it was like family, you know, like. 49:49 So I had to move out and that's why... 49:55 that's why now I have to get a staff to, 49:59 you know, in the morning, 50:00 in the daytime I will be there, I control with. 50:03 They got a head deacon in one of our churches. 50:06 He take them job on, pick 'em up, 50:09 but in the day I do in the daytime, 50:13 in the morning, this way he come on overnight 50:17 'cause see, that was, the problem start coming in. 50:20 Right. You know, overnight in the end. 50:22 They don't want no guy over them 50:23 in a program with them. 50:25 So we will come in with the guys 50:27 who have been through the programs 7, 10 and 5 years. 50:31 That would be the staff for overnight. 50:33 I see. I see. 50:34 So they would know if they're coming in on drugs, 50:36 getting high or whatever, they can track. 50:38 Know where to look for-- 50:40 Yeah. Yeah, know the tell-tale signs. 50:42 Do you vet your personal when the person comes out 50:46 and wants to come to your facility. 50:49 Do you have any kind of process to say, 50:53 okay, we'll take this one, 50:54 we probably bet not take this one 50:56 'cause he is not ready or do you used to 50:57 kind of take them through what you got. 50:58 No, no, what I do is go to-- 51:02 What I do is go to the prison ministry workers 51:05 in the prison. 51:06 So they'll call me and say, hey Jeff, I got a guy, 51:10 I won't recommend him if he want to-- 51:14 He'd been coming to the study, 51:16 he had been baptized for four years. 51:18 He had been coming to the study, to the study, 51:21 I'm recommending this guy here. 51:24 So I would take them, and a guy said in a letter, 51:29 what I do, I call a prison. 51:32 If he ain't going in there, 51:33 he is not going when he get out. 51:34 Precisely. Yeah. 51:36 So it be like this and that, 51:37 oh, I see when the last time he got in trouble. 51:40 You know if he had trouble making in prison, 51:42 he is going to come and bring that trouble, 51:44 so, yes, I do the screening process. 51:46 Okay, so the prison system has already done 51:49 some of that screening for you. 51:51 And you can take a good recommendation from inside. 51:54 Yes. Yeah. 51:55 This program is unique, it is beneficial, 52:00 it is God blessed, it is just a wonderful opportunity. 52:04 You may want to help him. 52:06 You may want to help finance what he is trying to do, 52:08 because he is on the cusp of great growth, 52:12 wonderful and unique program 52:14 or you may want to try to do something like this. 52:16 You need little help 52:17 'cause Jeff, he can surely give it to you. 52:19 Here is the contact information, 52:21 here is the address, his contact information 52:24 and use this. 52:25 Call him, write him. 52:27 Send him some funds 52:28 because he is doing a great work for the Lord. 52:30 Here's the contact information that you're going to need. 52:34 If you would like to support 52:35 the Shelter from the Storm Ministry, 52:38 you may write to them at 1500 South East 23rd Lane 52:42 in Gainesville, Florida 32641. 52:47 That Shelter from the Storm, 1500 South East 23rd Lane 52:52 Gainesville, Florida 32641. 52:56 You may also call them in area code (352) 339-4732. 53:02 That's (352) 339-4732 53:07 or email them at lois.jones@yahoo.com. 53:12 That's lois.jones@yahoo.com. |
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