I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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This is so weird
because I'm sitting in this seat
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and Danny is
sitting in that seat,
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my co-host, Danny Shelton,
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the president
and founder of 3ABN.
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Hey, Dan!
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It's good to be here
and thank you for hosting.
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What this really means is
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it makes an easy
day for me, right?
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Because I just kind of
sat and I'm here to support
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and to help,
but I'm telling you,
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you've got some
great guest today.
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I know.
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And in fact, we're
gonna find out Magna is in,
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not new to 3ABN, she's
been here numerous times,
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but let's introduce our guest.
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We have Dr. Magna
Parks-Porterfield with us,
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and her
husband, Ron Porterfield.
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And they are just, they
have an amazing testimony.
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So I can't wait
for our viewers to hear
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and see what you
guys are bringing.
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And they're gonna
bring us an update
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about personal things
in their lives, too, right?
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Yes.
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'Cause our viewers,
they like to and I know,
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there is couple
of things they like,
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one is they really like music.
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So we haven't forgotten that,
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we're gonna do
music in just a moment.
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But they love to know
the background of people
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who were here and
rightfully so, right?
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And so we love
hearing, where have you,
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what has happened since
you were here last 3ABN,
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and all that
type of information.
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Ron's probably here
first time on 3ABN, right?
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Second time. Second time.
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So people get to
know you a little better.
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Yes.
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And so we're gonna find
out I think some good stuff.
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You're gonna be happy
when this program is over.
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I believe you're gonna
be drawn closer to Jesus.
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Amen.
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And speaking of
getting to closer to Jesus,
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music brings me to the photo.
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I love good music. Yes.
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So do as our viewers,
I know you all do, too.
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We have Scott
Michael Bennett today,
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and he is singing a
song, song entitled "Come."
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Come
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When your heart is heavy laden
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And you're feeling
like the joy is fading,
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Just come
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Come, believing
everything I've told you
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'Cause here are arms
that long to hold you
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Just come
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Come, and leave
behind the mask you're hiding
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Here is someone to confide in
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I know what you've done
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Come, and tell me
everything you're hoping
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The Father loves
a heart that's open
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Just come
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I didn't die so you
could try to save yourself
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I know who you are,
don't try to be somebody else
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Come, believing
everything I've told you
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'Cause here are arms
that long to hold you,
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Lord, you come
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Come, and come
into the joy of living
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Knowing that your sin's forgiven
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Just come
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I didn't die so you
could try to save yourself
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I know who you are
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Don't try to be somebody else
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Come, believing
everything I've told you
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Here are arms
that long to hold you
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Lord, you come
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Come, and come
into the joy of living
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Knowing that your sin's forgiven
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Just come.
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Just come.
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How beautiful, just come. Amen.
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Just come. Amen.
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Whatever you're dealing
with, just come to the Lord,
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He's got the solution for you,
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and what an
appropriate song, Danny,
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for today's
program on mental health.
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Absolutely.
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You know, it's really,
what a blessing this is.
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So Magna, Dr. Magna.
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May I call you
Magna? Oh, you may.
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I should 'cause you're my friend
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and it's just a full disclosure.
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Amen.
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Dr. Magna Parks, it's
been such a blessing to me
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and you have
had quite a journey.
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Your life has been
full of ups and downs.
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You know a lot of
times, people look at
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professional doctors
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and all, they think,
"Oh, they have it easy,
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there's no problems
here, there are no challenges."
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But you've had
some amazing challenges.
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Yeah.
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Let's hear a
bit of your journey.
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Tell us, where did you grow up?
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I grew up in New York.
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Oh, yeah, that's
right, yeah, New York.
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I remember your dad coming
to our church and singing.
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Oh, wow! Yes, yes.
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See, I didn't
know that, awesome.
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So I grew up in New York, then,
went off to Oakwood for college
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and then, went to
Ohio State to get my PhD
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and toyed at
Oakwood, private practice
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and ended up leaving practice
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'cause I wanted to
do something different.
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My first husband
and I, and Danny,
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you may remember
my first husband now.
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Absolutely.
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We came here and did a program.
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You played
basketball. Yes, we did.
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Yeah, we did.
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And I lost him
almost six years ago.
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He was only 49
years old, sudden death
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and the Lord allowed that
to happen and it was a journey.
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I also lost my
brother a little after that
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and then, my mother and
two years ago, my father.
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So had a lot of
losses in my life.
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The Lord has been faithful.
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But then, I
have some gains, too.
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Yes.
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Alright, let's find
out about the gains.
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Let's meet that gain here.
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My husband, Ron.
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Yes.
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And, brother, Ron's been
on "Dare to Dream" as well
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'cause I interviewed,
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I have actually
interviewed both of you.
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Yes. On "Dare to Dream."
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But your
testimony, brother, Ron,
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has been phenomenal as well.
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Give us little bit about
you, about your background.
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Well, it's been a
quite a wonderful blessing
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that the Lord has let me out
of a life in Hollywood, acting,
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being very involved in
the new age for many years,
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and out of
Eastern mistresses or men.
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Basically, I suppose
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what the Bible
would call "witchcraft."
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So I was in that
for many, many years,
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and, you know,
there are a lot of it,
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I was so wrapped up in it.
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Sun worship, moon worship,
lots of things like that,
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you know, it really
had me gripped for a while.
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Now you look like and sound
like an intelligent person.
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So how does intelligent people
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get caught up in
something like that?
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When you talk about all
this different types of worship,
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did you have no kind of
upbringing in Christianity
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as a young person?
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Did you have
that? Did you leave it?
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Did something--
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Were you looking for something,
searching for something?
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How did you get
caught up for someone like me
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and probably some of us?
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That just sounds so
like, "What did he just say?"
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You know, how do
you get caught up
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in that kind of a journey?
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Well, I would
say, it could be easy
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when you don't have a
really good grasp of truth
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because a enemy knows
how to mix truth and error.
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And we have to be aware
that he's been studying humanity
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for over 6,000 years.
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So why I might be
somewhat intelligent,
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I'm no matter for
the enemy without Christ.
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I grew up going
to, my family and I,
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St. Mary's Catholic Church,
and that's what I was used to,
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and then as I
went out to Hollywood,
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I didn't have any particular
affiliation for a while.
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And as I was out
there for few weeks,
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I realized that well, you
know, something is missing.
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I thought, "Well, you know,
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I need to go to start
going to church again."
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And I found church and I went
to church and that one time,
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it was something
familiar and it felt good
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and thought, "Yes,
this is it," it felt good.
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But then, I went
back a second time
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and I had this feeling of
you know, something is missing.
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So I didn't go to
that church anymore.
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A friend of mine started
introducing me to this magazine
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dealing with New Age faith.
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So I started
reading that, studying that,
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having prayers or mediations,
those types of things at home.
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Eventually, that led
to going to a church.
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So I started
going to this church,
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hit the gong there, and incense,
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and a lot of
those types of things.
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So I was very involved in
that martial arts, all that.
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And then one day, the
main speaker was not there
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because he was a world traveler,
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but the speaker that
they had up for that Sunday,
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he sounded like a carbon
copy of the main speaker,
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that main Reverend
that was always there.
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And I hate the
sound, "New Age,"'
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but for that moment I, sort of,
I was lifted up beyond myself,
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out of myself that
sounds very mysticism,
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and it seemed so
for the very first time,
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I was able to look at
everything very objectively.
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And I started thinking,
"What am I doing here?"
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And so anyway, I
stopped going to that church,
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but I kept reading the
readings for a while longer.
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But it would take
some pain in my life, too.
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So it began to ask me,
well, what is life all about?
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I could see that,
that was not truth,
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and I began to question,
what was life all about?
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I had a friend who is an
actor and he introduced me this
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Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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and gotten up, led step by step.
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So you were
looking for truth? I was.
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You just had no idea what it was
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so whatever
somebody introduced to you,
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you said I'll
try it, you go to it.
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But it's very encouraging
because what you telling us is
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since God created us,
we each and every one of us
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have a humming device and
it says, we are strangers,
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just so our journeys here
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and we really never
satisfied till we meet Jesus,
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and eventually, our
home with him forever.
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So anyone who is
looking for truth,
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no matter where you are today,
if you're looking for truth,
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you're searching for truth.
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Bible says, "If you search
from me with all your heart,
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basically, Jesus
is always there,"
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but we will find him.
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So you're encouraging
us today and our viewers,
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no matter where
they are in the walk,
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maybe they are
dissatisfied with this in life,
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or whatever they are doing,
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they have all these things
I say, "I'm just confused,
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I don't know why I'm here."
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There is purpose
for everyone's life,
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but if you
purpose in your heart,
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I want to find truth,
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then God will lead
you into all truth.
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Amen.
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So you had a
person who introduced you
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to the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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When you went for the
first time, did you think,
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"Here I am again at
something different,"
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or did you catch on to
that quickly and say, "You know,
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I think this is
where the Lord wants me."
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Well, I went for a short while,
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but I was still reading
some of those same old books.
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And I read one book
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that I don't even want to
mention the title of that book
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and that turned me away.
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So I didn't believe in--
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I was at a point
that I wasn't sure
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that I believed in God anymore.
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At the very least I know
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I didn't believe
in the God of Israel.
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And so that went
on for few years,
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and then it came to that point,
that very painful situation
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that I started asking,
"What is life all about?"
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And I started going through
and reading those books again,
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and trying to find an answer,
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and till it came
to one Friday evening,
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I called my friend who
had introduced me years ago,
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and I asked him
so many questions,
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I can't even remember them all.
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And I went to bed that night
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feeling
somewhat sense of relief.
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I woke up that Saturday morning
which we would call Sabbath
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and I called him and I said,
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"I think I want to be baptized."
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Wow.
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"And I want to
go to church." Okay.
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And he said,
"Hurry, get dressed,
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I'm coming to pick you up."
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And here we are.
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And look at God, and
look at His patience,
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and look at His
persistence, you know,
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even when we turn away from him,
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He's still works
on just moving us,
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just bringing us back to him.
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Amen.
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And He gave you that
peace the night before
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when you feel as though,
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I guess you had
found something now
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that you could
really settle into
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and boom, you
wanted to get baptized.
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Yes. How long has that been?
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It's been about 15 years now.
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Wow. Wonderful. Amen.
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Now you're happy
you made that decision?
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Yes. All right.
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Best decision I've ever made.
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Okay.
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God is good. Amen. Amen.
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Did you find that there was
an overlap between the mysticism
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and the martial
arts and the music,
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and the Hollywood stuff,
all the media things, you know,
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it's as though Satan
just piles layer upon layer.
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And do you feel that there
was an overlap there for you?
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I do.
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I think there was a
lot of focus on self.
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Yes.
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This is about me.
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Yeah, I'm the product whether
it was my time in Hollywood,
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I'm the product.
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The mysticism, it's
so much about me, me, me.
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I'm so thankful to be
in, to find God's truth
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because I can look back now
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and to see getting the
understanding of prophecy.
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And I think wait a minute,
there was never any of this
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that I could look at,
they are particularly teaching
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and look at a history book,
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put them side by side
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and you could see
without a doubt, this is truth.
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Truth will withstand scrutiny.
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Yes. Right?
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Truth will withstand
scrutiny. Absolutely.
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So you went from there
into getting involved in
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after you became an Adventist,
the physical aspects of health
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which will tie
into you to Magna.
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What did you do with the
physical aspects of health?
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I've always been
involved in health
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but being involved in it
from the Adventist church,
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at the same point I became
involved in health ministry
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at my church there in
California, Los Angeles.
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And then, a friend asked
me, "Have you ever thought about
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medical missionary work?"
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I told, "Not really."
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So I went off to some
place here in Seale, Alabama,
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and been studying and working
there for over 10 years and--
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Oh, wow.
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And so had a lot of experience,
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a lot of wonderful opportunities
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to work with so many
people who have been sick
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and who are sick
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and it's amazing to
see God's healing methods.
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And it's really true that
He uses the foolish things
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to confound the wise.
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And I've seen that time
and time again, simple things.
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Simple remedies, right.
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So you got very involved
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in the physical
aspects of health
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while your wife
here has been involved
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in the mental aspects of health.
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Let's hear
about how you two met.
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So let's go to Dr. Magna
here, and how did you meet?
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Because it seems like
such a great complimentary
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type of relationship.
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How did you meet?
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My first husband
and I used to visit
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where he was at Uchee Pines.
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We'd visit there and
then, my parents moved down
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close to there,
my mother was sickly,
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they're both deceased
now but and we would visit
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and guess who we
would often have lunch with
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at the cafeteria.
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Ron Porterfield. Yeah.
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And we would talk
and we would laugh,
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we'd go walking and I
actually tried to matchmake him.
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When I first met him,
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we've invited him over
up to Atlanta for weekend
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'cause there was a woman I
wanted to matchmake him with
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and the Lord had better
plan, so that didn't work out.
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And so we
continued our friendship
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and then, after
my husband passed,
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he was very
helpful with my father
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who was on sickly.
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And as a result of that,
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you know, my
eyes started to open,
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I said hm-mm.
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You know, like very sweet
and we got to know each other
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and the rest is
history, here we are.
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And how long
have you been married?
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Oh, a little over
a year and a half.
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Yes. Oh, they're
kind of newlywed.
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Yes, newlywed.
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Almost? Almost
a year and a half.
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Yes. That's great.
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So how has the
Lord impressed you
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to put your ministries together,
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the mental health
and the physical health?
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Well, I think the mind
and body is closely related,
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I mean, we hear that
there's a quote that says,
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"The mind and body
are closely related.
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One is affected,
the other sympathizes."
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And so I see that
as he has been trained
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with the natural remedies
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and understanding a
little bit about disease.
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And I've been trained in
the, with working with the mind,
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I see how the Lord's
just bringing that together
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into one big whole because
we are whole people, right?
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We can't separate the mind
and body, the world does that,
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but in reality,
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we're all one person that
has these different parts.
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And so I see the Lord bringing
in His knowledge and skill
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with my knowledge and skill
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to be able to
address the whole person.
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Oh, nice.
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And so we're excited,
we're just starting out,
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but I see the Lord
doing some good things
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as time comes by His
grace and power and I'm excited.
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That's great.
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So how are you
structuring, like,
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how are you gonna be lecturing,
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what are you
planning to do with it?
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Yes, so when I was
lecturing, training,
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also and the Lord is
putting this in our mind
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that perhaps a health retreat
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somewhere along
the, down the line.
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Hopefully, not
too far down the line,
00:20:12.01\00:20:13.58
but this is something
that is of a great need.
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We've actually been able
to do some programs together,
00:20:17.78\00:20:19.91
and the Lord has
blessed where he'll go
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and do divine worship
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and then we'll do
programs in the afternoon.
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The Lord has also, I do
a lot of phone counseling,
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and the Lord has also allowed us
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to do some things together
00:20:29.49\00:20:30.83
as I call him, "The life coach,"
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especially, when I've
been working with men,
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sometimes, it's nice to
have a man talk to a man
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and the Lord has really
blessed with that as well.
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In fact that's the bulk of
work I've been doing lately
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is a lot of counseling by phone,
00:20:41.80\00:20:43.54
even overseas, and so,
that's been a blessing,
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I've enjoyed that.
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For our viewers that maybe
don't know, you are so well
00:20:48.54\00:20:50.55
and tell us a little bit,
00:20:50.58\00:20:52.15
you said you were born
and raised in New York area?
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Yes, yes.
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And tell us a little
bit about your background.
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Were you raised
in a Christian home?
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And take us on a quick journey,
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there's been a while,
and where you are now.
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Yes, I was born in a home
00:21:05.13\00:21:06.46
where my father
was Non-Adventist
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and my mother was Adventist,
but it was a Christian home.
00:21:07.86\00:21:10.27
We went to Christian school.
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Wonderful, loving home,
00:21:12.77\00:21:14.10
had two brothers
and my sister was older,
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she left the house earlier.
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So then went to school, had fun,
00:21:18.04\00:21:20.14
went to Oakwood, had fun,
came back to teach at Oakwood,
00:21:20.18\00:21:22.98
and did some private practice
and have been able to travel.
00:21:23.01\00:21:28.12
I've even come to here, at
3ABN and done some program,
00:21:28.15\00:21:30.45
that's been a blessing.
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So that's quick in a nutshell.
00:21:31.85\00:21:33.96
So did you know from
early age where you wanted to,
00:21:33.99\00:21:36.59
what direction in
life you wanted to go,
00:21:36.62\00:21:38.43
I mean, what got you into--
00:21:38.46\00:21:40.06
I did, actually. Mental health.
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Was that at college,
00:21:41.46\00:21:42.80
once you were in
college, you decided?
00:21:42.83\00:21:44.17
Yes, before everyone was
thinking she should be a doctor
00:21:44.20\00:21:46.40
'cause I did
pretty well in school
00:21:46.43\00:21:47.87
and my dad wanted
me to be a doctor,
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that didn't work
out and I found myself
00:21:50.61\00:21:52.27
listening to people a lot.
00:21:52.31\00:21:53.84
And I'd be at
airports observing people
00:21:53.88\00:21:56.41
and then, I heard I
could get paid for doing this.
00:21:56.44\00:21:58.98
I said, "Let me
do a psychology,"
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I can be a psychologist,
00:22:00.52\00:22:01.85
and I could paid for doing that.
00:22:01.88\00:22:03.22
And so I didn't
decide that, Danny,
00:22:03.25\00:22:05.05
until my third year of college,
00:22:05.09\00:22:06.42
I tried nursing, I
tried physical therapy.
00:22:06.45\00:22:09.36
None of those fit and then,
00:22:09.39\00:22:10.76
psychology was like
a glove which just fit.
00:22:10.79\00:22:13.90
And that's how I
ended up doing that.
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That's awesome.
00:22:15.73\00:22:17.07
What have you found
00:22:17.10\00:22:18.50
has been the primary difference
00:22:18.53\00:22:21.67
between a Christian
psychological perspective
00:22:21.70\00:22:26.17
and the world's
psychological perspective?
00:22:26.21\00:22:28.34
The primary difference
00:22:28.38\00:22:29.71
is that the
Christian recognizes that
00:22:29.74\00:22:31.48
their source of healing is God.
00:22:31.51\00:22:33.92
Secular psychologist
God is like a crutch,
00:22:33.95\00:22:36.92
you know, it's something that
people do as pie in the sky.
00:22:36.95\00:22:41.39
And I was exposed to
that type of response
00:22:41.42\00:22:44.19
as a Christian
getting my doctorate
00:22:44.23\00:22:45.86
when I would bring up God,
my professor would look at me
00:22:45.89\00:22:48.13
and say, "You poor girl, you'll
understand when you get out,"
00:22:48.16\00:22:50.50
you know and we
don't really need God,
00:22:50.53\00:22:52.87
but you know now
the literature is just,
00:22:52.90\00:22:54.74
the research is just teeming
00:22:54.77\00:22:56.30
and they can't
run from it anymore.
00:22:56.34\00:22:57.74
But that's the main difference
in response to your question
00:22:57.77\00:23:00.24
you've on they, we
recognized there's a power
00:23:00.28\00:23:02.31
outside of our help,
00:23:02.34\00:23:03.81
ourselves that can help
us with our mental health.
00:23:03.85\00:23:06.68
Yes, yes.
00:23:06.72\00:23:08.05
There's a book, I'm
trying to remember the name
00:23:08.08\00:23:11.15
I think it's "How
God changes the brain,"
00:23:11.19\00:23:13.15
or something
like that, and then,
00:23:13.19\00:23:14.52
actually, you'll love this.
00:23:14.56\00:23:16.09
I've heard of that.
00:23:16.12\00:23:17.46
It's an amazing book
00:23:17.49\00:23:19.13
and it alludes to the fact that
the brain actually lights up
00:23:19.16\00:23:24.37
and get involved in
prayer, and they can measure it.
00:23:24.40\00:23:28.34
They can measure
it scientifically.
00:23:28.37\00:23:30.91
So it's like God
and the more you pray
00:23:30.94\00:23:35.18
and the more you focus on God,
00:23:35.21\00:23:37.55
then, there are
actual physiological changes
00:23:37.58\00:23:40.62
in the brain.
00:23:40.65\00:23:41.98
So it to me, I
mean-- That's amazing.
00:23:42.02\00:23:44.09
That's what you think
00:23:44.12\00:23:45.45
that science is now
replete with research.
00:23:45.49\00:23:48.52
That is corroborating
the whole idea of praise
00:23:48.56\00:23:51.09
and worship and all of that.
00:23:51.13\00:23:52.96
So, I mean, I just
think that's incredible.
00:23:52.99\00:23:54.33
And it's exciting.
00:23:54.36\00:23:55.70
Every time I read or study
00:23:55.73\00:23:57.07
that goes along
with what the Bible says,
00:23:57.10\00:23:58.57
I just say, "The rocks
are crying out," you know.
00:23:58.60\00:24:01.37
God knows how to reach people,
00:24:01.40\00:24:03.00
I might not be able to reach
someone by opening the Bible,
00:24:03.04\00:24:05.61
but when I can say to them,
"You know, science shows this."
00:24:05.64\00:24:08.48
I've seen
situations where I've said,
00:24:08.51\00:24:10.28
"Science shows this."
00:24:10.31\00:24:12.11
And as you start to
say, "Science shows this,"
00:24:12.15\00:24:14.42
they, kind of,
open themselves up
00:24:14.45\00:24:15.88
when you finally
can say, you know.
00:24:15.92\00:24:17.29
And the Bible has been saying
this thousands of years before
00:24:17.32\00:24:20.62
and you see
people saying, "Really?"
00:24:20.66\00:24:23.32
Whereas before, I had just
gone to them with the Bible,
00:24:23.36\00:24:25.59
the block would have come up.
00:24:25.63\00:24:27.50
So God is just
using this I think
00:24:27.53\00:24:29.36
to spread His
principles and His truth.
00:24:29.40\00:24:31.17
Yes. Yes.
00:24:31.20\00:24:32.53
And speaking of principles,
you have written this book,
00:24:32.57\00:24:36.37
"Keys to Optimal Mental Health."
00:24:36.40\00:24:38.57
Yes.
00:24:38.61\00:24:39.94
And this, I've read
it, and it is so good.
00:24:39.97\00:24:43.35
It is so, this
book, it's a thin book,
00:24:43.38\00:24:47.78
and so, it's not
like a long, long read,
00:24:47.82\00:24:50.65
it doesn't take
forever to read it.
00:24:50.69\00:24:52.49
But it has some amazing
principles in this book.
00:24:52.52\00:24:55.99
And one of the
things I love about it
00:24:56.02\00:24:57.83
is it has, at the
end of each chapter,
00:24:57.86\00:25:00.36
you can apply the
information to your life.
00:25:00.40\00:25:04.00
So it's not just a general,
00:25:04.03\00:25:05.97
"Okay, this is what
you do and that's it."
00:25:06.00\00:25:08.84
No, this is what you do.
00:25:08.87\00:25:10.21
Now let me walk you through
how to make this apply to you.
00:25:10.24\00:25:14.18
Praise the Lord.
00:25:14.21\00:25:15.54
And so this is-- what
inspired you to write this?
00:25:15.58\00:25:17.48
I'm gonna tell you.
00:25:17.51\00:25:18.85
I came, my
husband, my dear husband,
00:25:18.88\00:25:21.28
he'd been hearing me talk
about these different topics
00:25:21.32\00:25:23.59
and he says "Maggie, you
need to put this in a book."
00:25:23.62\00:25:25.49
I've written two other books,
I don't like writing books.
00:25:25.52\00:25:28.19
And he kept saying,
"You need to write this,"
00:25:28.22\00:25:29.82
and I'm like, "Ron, I don't
want to write another book,
00:25:29.86\00:25:31.96
book writing is hard for me."
00:25:31.99\00:25:33.33
And then, I come up to 3ABN
00:25:33.36\00:25:35.96
and I do some issues and
answers with Shelley Quinn
00:25:36.00\00:25:38.63
and guess what, she's
like after the three programs,
00:25:38.67\00:25:41.50
"Magna, you better
write a book over this,
00:25:41.54\00:25:43.61
you need to put this in a book."
00:25:43.64\00:25:45.07
And I said,
"Lord, okay, I get it,"
00:25:45.11\00:25:46.94
you know, but because
of her encouraging me,
00:25:46.98\00:25:50.11
and my husband encouraging
me, that's what led to that.
00:25:50.15\00:25:53.62
The other thing too is I
like to interface science,
00:25:53.65\00:25:57.59
scripture, and
inspired writings.
00:25:57.62\00:26:01.36
And so when I see science
00:26:01.39\00:26:03.09
that I've read in a book
by a person who's inspired
00:26:03.12\00:26:07.80
or I've read in the Bible,
00:26:07.83\00:26:09.63
I'm like, "Oh, I love
putting this together."
00:26:09.66\00:26:11.53
So when I talk I do that
00:26:11.57\00:26:13.13
and I said, "Why not do
it in a little book, too?"
00:26:13.17\00:26:15.57
So that's what
kind of led to that.
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That's great because what
this does is again it reinforces
00:26:16.97\00:26:21.78
if you're not a believer,
00:26:21.81\00:26:23.51
it shows that the
Bible is still relevant.
00:26:23.55\00:26:26.31
That what's in
there is applicable today.
00:26:26.35\00:26:30.79
And if you are a believer,
00:26:30.82\00:26:32.32
it just reinforces
your faith on Bible.
00:26:32.35\00:26:34.19
And this is
really, really excellent.
00:26:34.22\00:26:36.62
So I'd like to, kind of,
00:26:36.66\00:26:38.39
go over some of the
principles in the book
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and just, I think
we should look at it.
00:26:41.33\00:26:43.73
So the first thing
00:26:43.77\00:26:45.70
that you talk about is
changing your lifestyle.
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Why is that important?
00:26:48.40\00:26:49.84
I look at that, you know,
every house has a foundation.
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And without a foundation,
you can have beautiful walls,
00:26:53.48\00:26:55.74
beautiful roof,
but it will fall.
00:26:55.78\00:26:57.81
And so for me, when I
look at mental health,
00:26:57.85\00:26:59.81
and I understand
our own health message
00:26:59.85\00:27:02.75
that says that, "When
we take care of our bodies
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it will have an
impact on our mind."
00:27:05.49\00:27:07.69
Prior to me doing
this, Danny and Yvonne,
00:27:07.72\00:27:10.99
when I was in practice,
00:27:11.03\00:27:12.36
I would spend a lot
of time talking about,
00:27:12.39\00:27:14.80
"Well, how did
your mother treat you
00:27:14.83\00:27:16.40
and what kind of relationship
00:27:16.43\00:27:17.77
did your mother
and father have?"
00:27:17.80\00:27:19.13
And all of that has an impact.
00:27:19.17\00:27:20.57
But I was spending months,
00:27:20.60\00:27:21.94
years talking to
people about this.
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As I started to implement this,
00:27:24.27\00:27:26.78
people started to
change much more quickly
00:27:26.81\00:27:29.08
those who were willing.
00:27:29.11\00:27:30.55
God gave you a
quick case, a testimony,
00:27:30.58\00:27:33.11
a woman who was a nurse came in,
00:27:33.15\00:27:35.18
she was molested before
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and then, she had
been to several counselors
00:27:37.12\00:27:38.92
talking about this.
00:27:38.95\00:27:40.36
Because she had been
to several counselors,
00:27:40.39\00:27:41.82
I've felt it not necessary
to go over it with her again
00:27:41.86\00:27:44.29
and I started to tell her
how the body affects the mind.
00:27:44.33\00:27:47.03
And maybe she should look
at how she can change her diet,
00:27:47.06\00:27:49.83
she changed her diet.
00:27:49.86\00:27:51.20
In a few months, she came
and she sat in front of me,
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at that time, I was Dr.
Parks, she says, "Dr. Parks,
00:27:53.17\00:27:54.90
I feel better changing my diet
00:27:54.94\00:27:57.47
than before when I was
dealing with depression.
00:27:57.51\00:27:59.77
I feel better than
when I was not depressed."
00:27:59.81\00:28:03.38
Just by changing her diet.
00:28:03.41\00:28:05.58
And I have stories
00:28:05.61\00:28:06.95
that I could tell about
just people changing their diet
00:28:06.98\00:28:08.65
and how it affects the brain,
so I thought I needed to say,
00:28:08.68\00:28:11.22
"This is the foundation
for optimal mental health,
00:28:11.25\00:28:13.39
you need to eat,
have a better diet,
00:28:13.42\00:28:15.96
you need to exercise,
00:28:15.99\00:28:17.33
you need to try
to get proper rest,
00:28:17.36\00:28:18.79
you need to drink water."
00:28:18.83\00:28:20.20
All of these things
has an impact on the brain
00:28:20.23\00:28:22.56
and all the rest
of the principles
00:28:22.60\00:28:24.43
that I'm gonna share afterward,
00:28:24.47\00:28:26.17
you can better implement them
if you take care of your body.
00:28:26.20\00:28:29.54
So that's how that came about.
00:28:29.57\00:28:31.27
And so good.
00:28:31.31\00:28:32.91
One of the things that
people often don't connect,
00:28:32.94\00:28:36.21
while connecting the dots
is that we're chemical being,
00:28:36.24\00:28:40.38
so the chemicals that
we put into our bodies
00:28:40.42\00:28:43.99
affect how we respond
whether we have depression,
00:28:44.02\00:28:48.89
anxiety, all of these things.
00:28:48.92\00:28:50.93
If we eat certain things,
00:28:50.96\00:28:52.29
it triggers a
chemical response in the body
00:28:52.33\00:28:55.93
that is going to just cause
00:28:55.96\00:28:58.47
or at least
foster and sometimes,
00:28:58.50\00:29:02.20
just make it so much worse,
exacerbate these symptoms.
00:29:02.24\00:29:06.57
So if you change the diet,
it's, kind of, a basic thing.
00:29:06.61\00:29:10.88
You're changing the chemicals,
00:29:10.91\00:29:12.48
the chemistry of the
body which then changes,
00:29:12.51\00:29:15.45
you know, your response.
00:29:15.48\00:29:17.49
It's, kind of,
00:29:17.52\00:29:18.85
and maybe, in a lot of ways now,
00:29:18.89\00:29:20.22
I'm not a doctor
like either one of you
00:29:20.26\00:29:21.92
but sometimes we call,
00:29:21.96\00:29:23.53
I call it,
"Getting out of a rut."
00:29:23.56\00:29:25.56
When you do something
for so long in your life,
00:29:25.59\00:29:29.10
you make a
change all of a sudden,
00:29:29.13\00:29:31.57
you say, "World,
you didn't say before."
00:29:31.60\00:29:33.23
Yes.
00:29:33.27\00:29:34.60
But the change you're
talking about is a great change
00:29:34.64\00:29:37.21
because it comes
straight from the Bible,
00:29:37.24\00:29:39.54
because now we're gonna
take in Biblical principles
00:29:39.57\00:29:42.78
of how, what we
take into our bodies.
00:29:42.81\00:29:45.15
The old saying is to
be that you know we'd say,
00:29:45.18\00:29:47.68
if people eat a lot of sugar,
00:29:47.72\00:29:49.58
don't say
anything wrong with them,
00:29:49.62\00:29:50.95
we'd say, "Would you
put sugar in your gas tank?"
00:29:50.99\00:29:53.15
"Oh, no, I wouldn't
do that," "Why not?"
00:29:53.19\00:29:55.36
'Cause that will
shut the engine down.
00:29:55.39\00:29:56.73
Yes. Right.
00:29:56.76\00:29:58.09
So, you know, I'm
getting to very practical part,
00:29:58.13\00:29:59.96
but what you're doing is,
00:30:00.00\00:30:01.60
I think, the first part is
getting people out of erupt
00:30:01.63\00:30:04.30
because it's hard to
change what you've always done.
00:30:04.33\00:30:07.74
Yes. It is.
00:30:07.77\00:30:09.10
And you wrote a
song about that for kids.
00:30:09.14\00:30:10.91
I did. "You are
what you eat." Oh, wow.
00:30:10.94\00:30:14.38
And it's great, I mean, for--
00:30:14.41\00:30:16.21
to teach children
how to eat properly,
00:30:16.24\00:30:19.81
the song "You are what you eat."
00:30:19.85\00:30:21.35
So on one of his projects.
00:30:21.38\00:30:24.09
If I can just
say this too... Yes.
00:30:24.12\00:30:25.59
Like, I said that they
are starting to catch up,
00:30:25.62\00:30:27.16
Dr. Roger Wall, he did a study,
00:30:27.19\00:30:28.96
he did a review
of lot of studies,
00:30:28.99\00:30:30.59
and he found that if a
person does these principles,
00:30:30.63\00:30:34.30
carries them out,
00:30:34.33\00:30:35.66
it can help just as
much he says as counseling
00:30:35.70\00:30:39.60
and taking medication.
00:30:39.63\00:30:40.97
Now please, I'm not saying,
"Get off of every medication."
00:30:41.00\00:30:42.70
Yeah, sure. I
always like to add that.
00:30:42.74\00:30:45.37
Some people need it for
a moment or however long,
00:30:45.41\00:30:47.94
but he's saying that
00:30:47.98\00:30:49.31
if you're consisting
with these principles,
00:30:49.34\00:30:50.98
it can help you, as
much as these two things.
00:30:51.01\00:30:53.55
That's tremendous.
The rocks are crying out.
00:30:53.58\00:30:55.22
That's tremendous,
when you think about it.
00:30:55.25\00:30:57.59
That's really
tremendous to know that,
00:30:57.62\00:30:59.82
you can have a long term--
00:30:59.85\00:31:02.49
I think you don't want
to just manage symptoms.
00:31:02.52\00:31:06.06
You want to get
to the root cause,
00:31:06.09\00:31:08.20
so if you can
use dietary measures
00:31:08.23\00:31:11.50
to change the body's chemistry,
you can get to the root cause.
00:31:11.53\00:31:16.14
Well, one of the hardest things
in life to change is your diet.
00:31:16.17\00:31:19.34
Yes, it is. It is.
00:31:19.37\00:31:20.71
It's your lifestyle. It is.
00:31:20.74\00:31:22.08
So if we can gain
victory over that,
00:31:22.11\00:31:23.48
you can almost gain
victory over anything--
00:31:23.51\00:31:25.65
Amen.
00:31:25.68\00:31:27.02
So it's great really,
00:31:27.05\00:31:28.38
because it takes a lot of
sacrifice in the beginning
00:31:28.42\00:31:32.22
and before it's
over, you're like,
00:31:32.25\00:31:33.66
"Wow, why I
didn't do this before?"
00:31:33.69\00:31:35.16
Exactly. Yeah.
00:31:35.19\00:31:36.93
What about rest,
00:31:36.96\00:31:38.73
because, so often we
can just burn ourselves out,
00:31:38.76\00:31:44.07
you know, push,
push, push, push,
00:31:44.10\00:31:46.30
why is rest so important?
00:31:46.33\00:31:48.10
Well, rest is important
00:31:48.14\00:31:49.47
because every part
of our body needs rest
00:31:49.50\00:31:53.01
in order to replenish,
00:31:53.04\00:31:54.64
and especially
during the hours of sleep,
00:31:54.68\00:31:56.54
the brain does
some replenishing,
00:31:56.58\00:31:58.88
it does some rejuvenation,
00:31:58.91\00:32:01.05
and if our
difficulties with anxiety,
00:32:01.08\00:32:03.45
or depression, or mental health
00:32:03.49\00:32:05.55
is having to do a
lot with the brain,
00:32:05.59\00:32:07.16
we need to give the brain rest.
00:32:07.19\00:32:08.56
And allow it to
produce the chemicals
00:32:08.59\00:32:11.19
and to do what it needs to do
00:32:11.23\00:32:12.56
in order for us
to function well.
00:32:12.59\00:32:13.93
And nowadays, people
are so deprived of sleep.
00:32:13.96\00:32:17.83
I believe some
depression is coming on
00:32:17.87\00:32:19.60
because are not
getting enough rest.
00:32:19.63\00:32:22.00
That is so true.
00:32:22.04\00:32:23.37
You know, and
it's the timing, too,
00:32:23.41\00:32:24.74
getting to bed before
midnight is so important,
00:32:24.77\00:32:26.98
especially, if you're dealing
with some of these issues
00:32:27.01\00:32:29.18
because some peak
thing has happened.
00:32:29.21\00:32:31.85
Growth hormone, melatonin,
00:32:31.88\00:32:34.02
and so we need to
be getting proper rest
00:32:34.05\00:32:35.78
in order to have
good mental health,
00:32:35.82\00:32:37.15
it's, like, essential.
00:32:37.19\00:32:38.52
She started preaching
now. And in Midland accent.
00:32:38.55\00:32:41.76
Midland, yeah, went to
Midland instead of preaching.
00:32:41.79\00:32:45.76
For sure. But it's really true.
00:32:45.79\00:32:47.96
And you can get so caught
up in whatever you're doing.
00:32:48.00\00:32:50.73
That you neglect the rest,
00:32:50.77\00:32:53.90
and that's when
the body rejuvenates.
00:32:53.94\00:32:56.10
Like you said
that's when the brain also
00:32:57.11\00:32:59.24
can get rejuvenated,
00:32:59.27\00:33:00.61
so I mean, it's
just, rest is critical.
00:33:00.64\00:33:03.38
Yes, yes.
00:33:03.41\00:33:05.18
What about exercise?
00:33:05.21\00:33:06.95
A lot people-- I used
to-- I exercise now regularly.
00:33:06.98\00:33:11.15
Praise the Lord. Amen.
00:33:11.19\00:33:12.52
But before I really wasn't,
why is that so important?
00:33:12.55\00:33:16.83
And I know people say, "Oh,
it's important to exercise,"
00:33:16.86\00:33:20.20
but why do you
think it's important?
00:33:20.23\00:33:21.96
You ever heard the phrase,
00:33:22.00\00:33:23.33
"If you don't
use it, you lose it,"
00:33:23.37\00:33:25.37
and that's with anything
00:33:25.40\00:33:26.74
in order to keep whatever going,
00:33:26.77\00:33:28.44
we need to exercise.
00:33:28.47\00:33:29.80
And then our bodies, if
we don't use certain parts,
00:33:29.84\00:33:31.77
it will affect us, it releases
certain hormones in the brain,
00:33:31.81\00:33:35.61
it just rejuvenates us.
00:33:35.64\00:33:36.98
All of these things are about
rejuvenation and restoring,
00:33:37.01\00:33:39.48
the exercise, the
drinking of the water.
00:33:39.51\00:33:41.58
I've dealt with
the 16 year young girl,
00:33:41.62\00:33:43.45
16-year-old girl
who was mildly depressed
00:33:43.49\00:33:45.65
just because she
wasn't drinking enough water
00:33:45.69\00:33:47.66
Started to drinking
water and those things just,
00:33:47.69\00:33:50.46
the depression just went away.
00:33:50.49\00:33:51.83
That's not the case with
everybody, but in her case.
00:33:51.86\00:33:53.50
Right.
00:33:53.53\00:33:54.86
There's a Dr. Batmanghelidj,
who wrote the book,
00:33:54.90\00:33:57.53
"Your Body's
Many Cries For Water."
00:33:57.57\00:33:59.33
Yes.
00:33:59.37\00:34:00.70
And he mentions
that, he treated over,
00:34:00.74\00:34:02.87
I think it's 2,000
or 3,000 cases of ulcers
00:34:02.90\00:34:06.88
in a prison camp.
00:34:06.91\00:34:08.61
He didn't have access
to other drug and stuff,
00:34:08.64\00:34:11.88
with water,
00:34:11.91\00:34:13.25
because if you
don't drink water,
00:34:13.28\00:34:15.65
the body gets dehydrated
and all kinds of things happen,
00:34:15.68\00:34:19.35
all kinds of weird symptoms.
00:34:19.39\00:34:21.59
Can just occur as a
result of dehydration.
00:34:21.62\00:34:24.26
So and I'm one that's
not drinking the water,
00:34:24.29\00:34:27.00
so this is
really good for me, too.
00:34:27.03\00:34:29.63
This is really good.
00:34:29.66\00:34:31.07
So we've got the foundation,
now you also talk about,
00:34:31.10\00:34:36.27
"You are what you think."
00:34:36.30\00:34:38.47
Why are the thoughts so
connected to how we feel?
00:34:38.51\00:34:44.01
It's amazing.
00:34:44.05\00:34:45.41
Feelings are kind of
out there subjective,
00:34:45.45\00:34:48.62
not really, you
know, they're unstable,
00:34:48.65\00:34:50.95
but a lot of times,
00:34:50.99\00:34:52.32
our feelings come from
what we tell ourselves.
00:34:52.35\00:34:55.86
I can give an example,
one time we were driving,
00:34:55.89\00:34:58.76
and my husband did something
that, kind of, bothered me.
00:34:58.79\00:35:01.60
And I started to
tell myself things
00:35:01.63\00:35:03.87
such as, "He doesn't care,
he doesn't really love me,"
00:35:03.90\00:35:07.64
and I had to stop myself,
00:35:07.67\00:35:09.14
and said, "Magna,
you teach this stuff."
00:35:09.17\00:35:10.64
You know it, I can easily
stay here and talk about this,
00:35:10.67\00:35:13.44
but I have to
work on applying it.
00:35:13.48\00:35:15.64
And it started to
say, you know what...
00:35:15.68\00:35:18.25
Actually, we were going to
a seminar to talk about that
00:35:18.28\00:35:20.52
and I said, "You
know, I need to apply
00:35:20.55\00:35:21.88
what I'm teaching here."
00:35:21.92\00:35:23.25
I said, "I'm not
going down that road."
00:35:23.28\00:35:25.12
And I just changed my
whole thinking pattern,
00:35:25.15\00:35:26.89
and I said, "You know
what, everybody makes mistakes,
00:35:26.92\00:35:30.03
he may not think I've done
00:35:30.06\00:35:31.46
what I thought he
did for certain reason,"
00:35:31.49\00:35:33.19
and my whole
mindset just changed.
00:35:33.23\00:35:35.00
And my whole
demeanor just changed.
00:35:35.03\00:35:37.03
So our thoughts,
what we tell ourselves,
00:35:37.07\00:35:39.43
it impacts how we act,
it impacts how we feel,
00:35:39.47\00:35:42.47
God created us in that way.
00:35:42.50\00:35:44.31
And so even physiologists
who are on to this 50 years ago
00:35:44.34\00:35:47.18
and now, when they
are treating depression
00:35:47.21\00:35:48.61
or helping
people, they start to say,
00:35:48.64\00:35:51.01
"Isolate and try to
examine your thoughts
00:35:51.05\00:35:53.38
and see what
you're telling yourself,"
00:35:53.42\00:35:54.75
like, "Nobody loves me,
00:35:54.78\00:35:56.45
I'm the worst
person in the world,
00:35:56.48\00:35:58.32
I'll never
accomplish mission life."
00:35:58.35\00:35:59.82
Start to analyze that
and start to change that,
00:35:59.85\00:36:02.82
and you'll find that it
will affect how you feel.
00:36:02.86\00:36:05.36
And when I work with
people, I've tried to do that.
00:36:05.39\00:36:07.53
And when I'm working to
myself, I try to do that
00:36:07.56\00:36:09.36
because feelings and
thoughts are so closely related.
00:36:09.40\00:36:11.83
You know, we tried
when we were kids in school,
00:36:11.87\00:36:14.37
my dad had told us
and I'm sure, probably,
00:36:14.40\00:36:16.54
many of the older
folks have tried it,
00:36:16.57\00:36:18.07
but we sat one day,
00:36:18.11\00:36:20.21
let's tell, there is
a certain kid in class,
00:36:20.24\00:36:22.51
I'll go by and tell
him, "You don't feel good,"
00:36:22.54\00:36:25.11
or "You don't look good."
00:36:25.15\00:36:26.92
And then, we would
tell another pretty soon,
00:36:26.95\00:36:28.48
"You go by and tell him,
"See, you don't look good,
00:36:28.52\00:36:30.69
are you sick today?"
00:36:30.72\00:36:32.09
And before noon, he
was wanting to go home,
00:36:32.12\00:36:34.02
he was sick.
00:36:34.06\00:36:35.39
And here is the boy who'd come,
00:36:35.42\00:36:36.76
so my dad would tell
me about this experience
00:36:36.79\00:36:38.43
and so I told, "Okay, let's go,
00:36:38.46\00:36:39.89
let's try that, let's just see."
00:36:39.93\00:36:41.56
So what everybody, all that.
00:36:41.60\00:36:43.80
I know that doesn't
sound like me, right?
00:36:43.83\00:36:45.90
To be a button pusher like that.
00:36:45.93\00:36:48.04
Oh, my goodness.
But it really did work.
00:36:48.07\00:36:49.50
If you go tell
somebody in the morning,
00:36:49.54\00:36:51.14
"Well, you just don't look--
00:36:51.17\00:36:52.61
Are you okay,
you don't feel good?"
00:36:52.64\00:36:54.61
Then five minutes
later, another kid,
00:36:54.64\00:36:56.51
"Boy, you look, kind of peaked,
you sure you're feeling okay?"
00:36:56.54\00:37:00.08
Well, then just a little bit,
00:37:00.12\00:37:01.85
this guy is sick,
he's ready to go home.
00:37:01.88\00:37:04.09
So that mental part
what you're saying is,
00:37:04.12\00:37:07.72
you know, be positive.
00:37:07.76\00:37:10.59
I think we need to
talk about why you did that?
00:37:10.63\00:37:12.99
Why I did that?
I was teasing you.
00:37:13.03\00:37:14.73
I want to say if it worked--
00:37:14.76\00:37:16.46
Want to see if it
worked, but it does,
00:37:16.50\00:37:18.57
I mean, I've had
people do me that way.
00:37:18.60\00:37:21.00
"Are you colored in?"
00:37:21.04\00:37:22.37
And all of a sudden you
start thinking, "Am I okay?"
00:37:22.40\00:37:24.07
There you go, did you see what
he said, you start thinking.
00:37:24.11\00:37:26.27
Yeah. Yeah, you do.
00:37:26.31\00:37:27.64
So it is important,
but to stay positive,
00:37:27.68\00:37:30.31
and that's why
it's such an advantage,
00:37:30.35\00:37:32.18
when you're Christian
00:37:32.21\00:37:33.55
and you've read
the back of the book.
00:37:33.58\00:37:34.92
Amen.
00:37:34.95\00:37:36.28
The back of the book
is not how long you live,
00:37:36.32\00:37:38.85
but what happens
to us after we die.
00:37:38.89\00:37:41.36
Of course, we want
to be healthy and happy.
00:37:41.39\00:37:43.86
Over work, stress, all that,
00:37:43.89\00:37:45.63
my throat right
now, is no accident,
00:37:45.66\00:37:47.70
I've just, kind of, been going,
running, running, running.
00:37:47.73\00:37:51.23
And so therefore, it
affects what happens to me.
00:37:51.27\00:37:54.90
And so here mentally,
we're talking about physically,
00:37:54.94\00:37:58.97
but mentally as well.
00:37:59.01\00:38:00.64
I've to be positive.
00:38:00.68\00:38:02.38
As a Christian, I
know that I have hope.
00:38:02.41\00:38:05.35
And I know that I
have life everlasting.
00:38:05.38\00:38:08.02
And so stay positive. Yes.
00:38:08.05\00:38:09.82
Don't let people
get you down. Amen.
00:38:09.85\00:38:12.62
You know, just last night
my husband had to do a pep talk
00:38:12.65\00:38:14.86
on me on
something that happened,
00:38:14.89\00:38:16.22
some affairs, he had
to say, start thinking,
00:38:16.26\00:38:19.33
all things work
together for good.
00:38:19.36\00:38:21.63
And I started to repeat that,
and some of anxiety went away.
00:38:21.66\00:38:25.60
So we as
Christians, we have an advantage
00:38:25.63\00:38:27.60
'cause we have the
principles in the Bible.
00:38:27.64\00:38:29.77
That can help us
with our thoughts.
00:38:29.80\00:38:31.24
Absolutely. It's a blessing.
00:38:31.27\00:38:32.91
It is. It is.
00:38:32.94\00:38:35.28
There's a, Dr. Caroline Leaf,
00:38:35.31\00:38:38.31
who has done a lot of
research with the brain.
00:38:38.35\00:38:40.92
I think I've heard
you talk about her.
00:38:40.95\00:38:42.45
Yes, you probably have, 'cause
I mentioned her in this book,
00:38:42.48\00:38:45.62
but she talks about forgiveness
00:38:45.65\00:38:49.42
and the power
of forgiveness to--
00:38:49.46\00:38:52.33
When we don't forgive,
they're actually cells,
00:38:52.36\00:38:56.46
neurons that shoot out
toxins into the bloodstream.
00:38:56.50\00:39:00.84
But when we forgive,
those little cells go away.
00:39:00.87\00:39:05.81
So it's, like, God's gives
us these principles in the Word.
00:39:05.84\00:39:09.41
It's not just forgive
just for forgiveness sake,
00:39:09.44\00:39:12.28
but it also
impacts us physiologically
00:39:12.31\00:39:15.48
as well as spiritually.
00:39:15.52\00:39:17.19
So we can, you know, really
look to the Word for that.
00:39:17.22\00:39:21.66
What about self-control,
like, what is it...
00:39:21.69\00:39:26.26
The Bible says that one
of the fruits of the spirit
00:39:27.70\00:39:30.07
is self-control.
00:39:30.10\00:39:31.43
How do you
differentiate that self-control
00:39:31.47\00:39:34.14
from the self-control
00:39:34.17\00:39:35.70
that you are discussing here?
00:39:35.74\00:39:38.24
Actually, yes,
it's, kind of, related.
00:39:38.27\00:39:40.38
Self-control is about being
able to control what we say,
00:39:40.41\00:39:44.55
what we do, what we think,
00:39:44.58\00:39:46.25
and sometimes, people
are suffering mentally
00:39:46.28\00:39:48.65
because they don't know
how to place a guard around
00:39:48.68\00:39:51.72
what they say,
or what they think,
00:39:51.75\00:39:53.22
or what they do.
00:39:53.25\00:39:54.59
Addictions, comes from
a lack of self-control.
00:39:54.62\00:39:57.23
I may not start in that
way, but it can develop.
00:39:57.26\00:40:00.63
Over eating, any--
a lot of the problems.
00:40:00.66\00:40:02.90
Self-control is the
basis of so many problems
00:40:02.93\00:40:05.23
in the society,
domestic violence, child abuse,
00:40:05.27\00:40:08.74
alcoholism, drug
addiction, overeating,
00:40:08.77\00:40:11.37
all of this is a
problem with self-control.
00:40:11.41\00:40:13.81
And so, if people
can start to implement
00:40:13.84\00:40:15.71
principles to help them,
and sometimes we need help.
00:40:15.74\00:40:18.71
In fact, in the
book I've mentioned,
00:40:18.75\00:40:20.08
one of the steps
is to find someone
00:40:20.12\00:40:21.72
who can, you can accountable to,
00:40:21.75\00:40:23.59
you have a particular
problem, will you help me,
00:40:23.62\00:40:25.79
will you pray with
me, will you hold me
00:40:25.82\00:40:27.56
accountable to have
control in this area?
00:40:27.59\00:40:30.33
So I encourage people
for good mental health,
00:40:30.36\00:40:32.16
try to see what areas you should
00:40:32.19\00:40:33.53
need to control yourself in,
00:40:33.56\00:40:34.90
and seek the help
that you can to develop
00:40:34.93\00:40:37.37
that control of
self, which is not easy.
00:40:37.40\00:40:40.97
But it's the best thing
for the good mental health.
00:40:41.00\00:40:43.77
Yeah, because I can
see how, if you are,
00:40:43.81\00:40:48.24
if your
appetite's out of control,
00:40:48.28\00:40:49.84
that's a problem.
00:40:49.88\00:40:51.21
If your words
are out of control,
00:40:51.25\00:40:53.72
that's a problem.
00:40:53.75\00:40:55.08
So it's like you
have to develop that,
00:40:55.12\00:40:58.82
and the Bible says, we
can bring every thought
00:40:58.85\00:41:00.79
into captivity to Jesus Christ.
00:41:00.82\00:41:03.19
So there is a way to
do it, but it isn't easy.
00:41:03.22\00:41:06.46
No, it isn't, in fact,
none of these principles
00:41:06.49\00:41:08.63
in here are
easy, that's the thing
00:41:08.66\00:41:10.43
I want people to realize.
00:41:10.47\00:41:12.00
But nothing good comes easy.
00:41:12.03\00:41:15.24
And if you work
at it, by God's--
00:41:15.27\00:41:17.11
and that's the thing about
how to keep brining in God,
00:41:17.14\00:41:18.77
because we as
Christian, when we believe
00:41:18.81\00:41:20.34
that we can get divine
help to over come these things.
00:41:20.38\00:41:23.81
It's a wonderful thing. Yes.
00:41:23.85\00:41:25.58
That we don't have to just
depend on ourselves for it.
00:41:25.61\00:41:28.48
Yes, yes.
00:41:28.52\00:41:29.85
That we have God,
who will help us to do
00:41:29.88\00:41:32.15
what needs to be done,
00:41:32.19\00:41:33.52
because these are
character issues too.
00:41:33.56\00:41:35.59
Yes, they are. And He is...
00:41:35.62\00:41:37.43
We can't change our
spots, but you know,
00:41:37.46\00:41:40.40
can a leopard change its
spot, so the Ethiopians can.
00:41:40.43\00:41:42.66
We can't change those
things, but, what we can do,
00:41:42.70\00:41:46.00
is turn them over to God,
00:41:46.03\00:41:47.47
and ask him to
help us to do that.
00:41:47.50\00:41:49.74
Everything we talked
about so far goes back to self.
00:41:49.77\00:41:53.07
It's a great controversy
between good and evil,
00:41:53.11\00:41:55.78
doing Christ and Satan.
00:41:55.81\00:41:57.45
Satan said, "I should
be like the most high God."
00:41:57.48\00:42:00.38
You know, he was cast
from heaven to this earth,
00:42:00.42\00:42:04.39
now he tries
everybody to be just like him,
00:42:04.42\00:42:07.26
which is all about him.
00:42:07.29\00:42:08.96
He wants the
honor and the praise,
00:42:08.99\00:42:10.76
so we as individuals, we either
take on the character of Christ
00:42:10.79\00:42:14.66
or we take on the
character of Satan.
00:42:14.70\00:42:16.90
There's really no
end between. Amen.
00:42:16.93\00:42:18.70
We may wanna act like there is,
00:42:18.73\00:42:20.17
but there is
really no end between.
00:42:20.20\00:42:22.04
Yeah, that is true.
00:42:22.07\00:42:23.41
And May Chung, used to
tell me we have two natures.
00:42:23.44\00:42:25.94
We have a spiritual
nature and beastly nature.
00:42:25.97\00:42:29.14
Whichever one we feed the most
is the one that grows the most.
00:42:29.18\00:42:32.85
That's powerful.
00:42:32.88\00:42:34.22
Isn't that deep? Yes.
00:42:34.25\00:42:35.58
So in this case,
everything here is self-control,
00:42:35.62\00:42:38.85
the only way I'm
gonna overcome that is
00:42:38.89\00:42:41.29
keep my eyes and ears
focused on the Word of God.
00:42:41.32\00:42:44.46
And study the
character of Jesus.
00:42:44.49\00:42:47.36
And order for me to not think
this world is built around.
00:42:47.40\00:42:51.23
My dad used to say,
"Son, this whole world
00:42:51.27\00:42:53.03
didn't built around you,
you're a little grain as sand,
00:42:53.07\00:42:56.07
right here, in this whole world,
00:42:56.10\00:42:57.44
do you think
everything is gonna be,
00:42:57.47\00:42:59.34
you know,
whatever you say or do,
00:42:59.37\00:43:01.28
you're just a
little grain as sand.
00:43:01.31\00:43:03.21
You're only worth something
because God created you,
00:43:03.24\00:43:05.91
He died for you, so
you have plenty of value,
00:43:05.95\00:43:08.15
but don't think the whole
world revolves around you."
00:43:08.18\00:43:11.02
So we really--
00:43:11.05\00:43:12.55
It gets to that point,
everything you're saying here
00:43:12.59\00:43:14.82
is principles to help us
to look not at ourselves,
00:43:14.86\00:43:20.70
but more, and
that's why we need God,
00:43:20.73\00:43:23.06
and we need a Savior.
00:43:23.10\00:43:24.53
And to know that
there is a creator God,
00:43:24.57\00:43:26.87
who can help us overcome
these things in our life.
00:43:26.90\00:43:30.31
And that says
the song said come,
00:43:30.34\00:43:32.44
we come to the
foot of the cross.
00:43:32.47\00:43:33.91
Yes. Give it to Jesus.
00:43:33.94\00:43:35.58
Amen, amen.
Makes the difference.
00:43:35.61\00:43:37.85
You have anything?
00:43:37.88\00:43:39.21
I'm not a host, but my husband's
00:43:39.25\00:43:41.08
been sitting here and
I'm just wondering if we,
00:43:41.12\00:43:42.72
you have
anything you want to add
00:43:42.75\00:43:44.09
in terms of this
self-control or the anything?
00:43:44.12\00:43:46.72
Well, you are hitting here
right on the head, whether--
00:43:46.76\00:43:48.99
this is so much of
the very foundation,
00:43:49.02\00:43:50.83
and what's out there is--
00:43:50.86\00:43:52.33
without self-control, we
can't really have a correct
00:43:52.36\00:43:57.10
relationship with God.
00:43:57.13\00:43:59.73
I mean we can do
nothing, but there again,
00:43:59.77\00:44:03.27
the Lord has given
us enough self-control
00:44:03.30\00:44:05.84
I believe to be
able to surrender to Him,
00:44:05.87\00:44:09.01
if we are willing
to be able to come
00:44:09.04\00:44:11.28
to the foot of the cross.
00:44:11.31\00:44:12.68
That much self-control.
00:44:12.71\00:44:14.58
And then, from there
He can make us stronger,
00:44:14.62\00:44:17.09
so that we can grow in Christ.
00:44:17.12\00:44:19.15
So it's yielding the
will to Christ, right?
00:44:19.19\00:44:24.56
Yes, just
turning it over to Him,
00:44:24.59\00:44:27.63
and then letting Him shape it.
00:44:27.66\00:44:30.03
And He said, go,
00:44:30.07\00:44:31.47
'cause it's a
daily process, right?
00:44:31.50\00:44:33.03
Yes. Yes.
00:44:33.07\00:44:34.40
Daily process,
that if we want to,
00:44:34.44\00:44:37.14
and if you're
working out in weights,
00:44:37.17\00:44:39.11
and you want to beef
yourself up, get more muscles.
00:44:39.14\00:44:42.91
It didn't happen
today, 'cause I said,
00:44:42.94\00:44:44.61
"I think I
workout well, look I'm..."
00:44:44.65\00:44:46.72
it's a process that every day
00:44:46.75\00:44:49.02
and it depends
how I go about it.
00:44:49.05\00:44:51.55
Then I can grow, but
same way spiritually, too,
00:44:51.59\00:44:54.12
and you say
even you're mentally.
00:44:54.16\00:44:55.96
It's a step, so we
don't need to think.
00:44:55.99\00:44:57.66
Boy, everything
isn't gonna happen today.
00:44:57.69\00:45:00.23
It takes time, it
takes us time to get
00:45:00.26\00:45:02.50
and the mess we're in.
00:45:02.53\00:45:04.07
And it takes some take some
time to get out of that mess
00:45:04.10\00:45:07.70
because we live
in a sinful world.
00:45:07.74\00:45:09.40
Yes, yes. Yes.
00:45:09.44\00:45:11.34
I'm glad you said that
to encourage the listeners
00:45:11.37\00:45:13.78
if you're listening to
know that it's a process
00:45:13.81\00:45:15.88
and you may
hear these principles
00:45:15.91\00:45:17.61
and think that you're
gonna just get over it quickly
00:45:17.65\00:45:20.12
and implement it,
but it's a process,
00:45:20.15\00:45:21.62
you start a little and
then you go from there.
00:45:21.65\00:45:23.32
Yeah.
00:45:23.35\00:45:24.69
And what you said
earlier, it really helps me.
00:45:24.72\00:45:27.62
You teach this and yet
you still struggle with it.
00:45:27.66\00:45:30.63
So it's not a matter
that none of this isn't true,
00:45:30.66\00:45:33.26
it's all true but you're
just saying I'm still human
00:45:33.29\00:45:36.36
and I have to depend on
them pointing to your book,
00:45:36.40\00:45:39.00
here's all the
viewers can't see.
00:45:39.03\00:45:40.54
But I have to
depend on the Word of God,
00:45:40.57\00:45:42.20
I have to depend
on these principles
00:45:42.24\00:45:44.27
to keep myself in line,
00:45:44.31\00:45:45.87
in order for me to
grow more like Christ.
00:45:45.91\00:45:49.71
You know, so it is something,
00:45:49.74\00:45:51.48
it's a process of day after day
00:45:51.51\00:45:54.12
one, there's old song
says, "One day at a time,"
00:45:54.15\00:45:56.89
sweet Jesus, so
one day at a time,
00:45:56.92\00:45:58.89
we draw closer to the Lord.
00:45:58.92\00:46:01.26
And we less of
self and more of Christ.
00:46:01.29\00:46:04.86
Yes. Amen.
00:46:04.89\00:46:06.23
Paul realized
that too, didn't he?
00:46:06.26\00:46:07.90
He is like, I counted up myself
as one who has apprehended.
00:46:07.93\00:46:10.57
We could see
himself in this process
00:46:10.60\00:46:12.53
growing day by day,
00:46:12.57\00:46:14.20
relying constantly on
the strength of Christ.
00:46:14.24\00:46:16.07
Amen. Absolutely.
00:46:16.10\00:46:18.54
Now what about
growing through adversity?
00:46:18.57\00:46:23.08
Because I think, you know,
00:46:23.11\00:46:24.95
adversity can
either just bury you
00:46:24.98\00:46:30.02
or you can grow from it.
00:46:30.05\00:46:31.75
Yes. Let's talk
about that a bit.
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Yeah, you know, the
Bible has a lot of text,
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I used to try to
understand about brethren
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count and not joy when you fall,
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I mean, count it
not joy when you fall
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into diverse temptations
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and that the trying of your face
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works in
patience, I used to say,
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"How could all of this happen?"
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But it's a process
of the Lord saying,
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"I don't want these
things to stunt you,
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I want these things
to help you to grow."
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And so psychology
finally caught on,
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they talk about
post-traumatic growth now
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that people can grow
and become better people
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as a result of the trials
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and difficulties
that come in life.
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And they say that you can do
that by developing resilience,
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resilience, when
you throw a ball,
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it comes right back.
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If you develop that resilience,
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emotionally,
mentally, socially, spiritually,
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you can actually allow this bad
experience to help you to grow.
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I personally can attest to that,
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I'm a different person
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now as a result
of all the people
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I've lost in my life.
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I don't walk on
water, I still need help
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but I'm a different person
as a result of the difficulty.
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Also talk about that.
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I think I'm more
empathic towards people,
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I'm more compassionate,
before I couldn't relate
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to a person
losing a spouse before.
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I couldn't relate to sickness
'cause I was diagnosed with MS
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and Lord has, you
know, healed me of that,
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at least I don't have
the symptoms right now.
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I couldn't relate to
that but now when I see people
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with disabling illnesses,
I have more compassion,
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I feel like I can
relate to them better.
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It's not just,
"Oh, you poor thing",
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you know, pity
but I really feel like
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I can step in their shoes.
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So I do know that
that has happened to me
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as a result of the
difficulties I've been through.
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I think we can
choose to either--
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We can kind of
choose our response...
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Yes. To the adversity.
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That's a very good point.
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We don't have
to be buried by it.
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But it takes, I
mean it's not easy
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but I think we can, we can say,
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this is either
gonna help me to grow
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or it's gonna overwhelm me.
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Because sometimes you get
hit by so many things at once
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that, you know, you
can either let it bury
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or you can just
keep on pressing.
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Yeah. Right.
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My consolation is to
know, you know, it is true
00:48:36.88\00:48:39.15
the devil can
rob us of our health,
00:48:39.18\00:48:41.05
he can rob us of finances,
he can rob us of relationships,
00:48:41.08\00:48:44.72
but he can't rob us of our soul
and where we spend eternity.
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So great peace have
they which love thy law
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and nothing shall offend them,
00:48:52.19\00:48:54.00
simply that no matter
what people say to you
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can't get you down.
I've learned a long time ago,
00:48:56.77\00:48:59.27
when you're on
television as much as I've been,
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people either
love you or hate you.
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And so, you
know, and some people
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want to put you up on a pedestal
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which they shouldn't or
they want to cast you down.
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Right before I
came on this program,
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I read a letter
marked to me personally.
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Somebody said,
"You're not a good person
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and Lord show me out in
dream and you're going to die."
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And my answer would be to that
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is well of course I'm gonna die,
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should the Lord tarry.
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But that's not the worst thing
that can happen to somebody.
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You haven't lost when you die,
that's actually the beginning.
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So I don't look at death,
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I always think
it's a waste of time,
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I don't enjoy the
thought of being dead
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'cause you can't
accomplish anything.
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But, you know, in a simple term.
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But people do that, they write,
00:49:42.24\00:49:44.61
there's today I
probably had three letters,
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people tell me what
a horrible person I am.
00:49:46.68\00:49:48.82
Now these folks don't
know me, they never met me
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but they read
what other people say.
00:49:51.15\00:49:53.15
And so they assume
that they can do it
00:49:53.19\00:49:55.22
and I feel badly for
them, because I think,
00:49:55.26\00:49:57.73
well, these
people what a problem
00:49:57.76\00:50:00.26
that they're judging
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and they're
doing all these things.
00:50:01.66\00:50:03.00
Now I'm not saying
that for any sympathy,
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it's just something you grow up
I've been 30 years in ministry.
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So the same way,
people will write
00:50:08.70\00:50:10.71
and tell you how
wonderful you are.
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That doesn't affect me.
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I can't let any of it affect me.
00:50:14.38\00:50:16.14
The good or the
bad, what I do appreciate
00:50:16.18\00:50:18.91
and someone wrote, read
that right before it come out.
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In the last two years,
I've been watching 3ABN,
00:50:21.85\00:50:24.05
has changed my entire life.
00:50:24.09\00:50:25.75
Brought me closer to Jesus
00:50:25.79\00:50:27.39
and I want to thank
Him for the ministry.
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That I praise the Lord for.
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But again, it's not about self.
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And your book is
really telling us
00:50:33.29\00:50:34.96
that, you know,
we can't concentrate,
00:50:35.00\00:50:37.03
God has a plan for us.
00:50:37.07\00:50:39.53
And you're helping us to
take advantage of principles
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that God has laid out.
00:50:44.57\00:50:46.44
And yet someone could read
this and not necessarily say,
00:50:46.47\00:50:49.94
"Oh, this is the Bible, I
don't want to read the Bible."
00:50:49.98\00:50:52.41
But someone says, "Oh, well,
keys to optimal mental health,
00:50:52.45\00:50:55.62
I'm gonna read that."
00:50:55.65\00:50:56.99
And what they will
eventually find out
00:50:57.02\00:50:59.49
that you're
giving them direction,
00:50:59.52\00:51:02.46
directly from the word of God.
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Amen.
00:51:03.86\00:51:05.19
It's a great, it's a great book.
00:51:05.23\00:51:06.56
I'm glad you wrote
it. Yeah. I am too.
00:51:06.59\00:51:08.90
I'm so glad you wrote this book.
00:51:08.93\00:51:10.27
Praise the Lord.
00:51:10.30\00:51:11.63
'Cause I think it
can help so many people,
00:51:11.67\00:51:13.10
it's not, you
know, it's a thin book,
00:51:13.13\00:51:15.97
so you don't
have to be overwhelmed
00:51:16.00\00:51:17.61
when you look at it and
go, oh, it's like 500 pages.
00:51:17.64\00:51:20.44
But it gets to the point
00:51:20.48\00:51:21.84
and it's got all
of these principles
00:51:21.88\00:51:23.78
and it's got all
these applications in it.
00:51:23.81\00:51:26.21
And I just think that's great.
00:51:26.25\00:51:27.65
Let's talk about the conscience.
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Okay.
00:51:29.15\00:51:30.49
Developing a healthy conscience.
00:51:30.52\00:51:33.15
How do you differentiate
between a healthy conscience
00:51:33.19\00:51:37.19
and being
overwhelmed with guilt?
00:51:37.23\00:51:40.23
Being overwhelmed with guilt
00:51:40.26\00:51:41.60
is a sign of not
having a healthy conscience.
00:51:41.63\00:51:44.37
And so people are
suffering sometimes
00:51:44.40\00:51:46.80
because of unresolved guilt,
they have guilt over things
00:51:46.84\00:51:49.07
they've done in the past.
00:51:49.10\00:51:50.54
And their conscience is
just tricked and tender.
00:51:50.57\00:51:53.21
And so helping
people to be able to develop
00:51:53.24\00:51:55.34
a healthy conscious so
they can accurately choose
00:51:55.38\00:51:57.35
what's right and
wrong is so important.
00:51:57.38\00:51:59.48
That's good. Absolutely.
00:51:59.51\00:52:01.88
What I'm overwhelmed with is
I cannot, look at that clock...
00:52:01.92\00:52:04.29
I know. This
time is almost gone.
00:52:04.32\00:52:06.59
A whole hour, I
can't believe it.
00:52:06.62\00:52:08.52
This has been so good.
00:52:08.56\00:52:09.89
As they say, time
flies when you're having fun.
00:52:09.92\00:52:12.59
But what we want to do
there are those I know,
00:52:12.63\00:52:15.03
folk who want to
contact you, they'll want to see
00:52:15.06\00:52:17.30
how to get this book,
maybe other information
00:52:17.33\00:52:19.73
that you both have,
00:52:19.77\00:52:21.14
find out more
about your ministry.
00:52:21.17\00:52:23.04
And so what we're gonna
do, we're gonna put the address
00:52:23.07\00:52:25.04
up on the screen then
we're gonna go to a news break
00:52:25.07\00:52:28.01
and we will be back
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00:52:28.04\00:52:29.88
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