Participants: CA Murray (Host), Travis Laws, R.N., Kieth Schleifer, M.D., David Hohlfeld, Gary Ross
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY016027A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people. 01:07 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:09 My name is C.A. Murray, 01:11 and allow me once again to thank you for sharing 01:13 just a little of your no doubt busy day with us. 01:16 So thank you for your love, your prayers, 01:17 your support of this ministry. 01:19 And to thank you for helping us do 01:21 what we are called to do and that's to lift up 01:23 the mighty and magnificent name of Jesus, 01:25 and take the gospel of a soon coming Savior 01:28 to the whole world. 01:29 Today's program is one that I'm very, very excited about, 01:32 because of the subject matter, and the four cool guys 01:36 that I got sitting here with me. 01:39 And the place that we're gonna be talking about, 01:41 first of all we're talking about health ministry. 01:43 We're also talking about Eden Valley, 01:45 which is a place that is dear to my heart, 01:48 and to those of us here at 3ABN, 01:50 since so many of us have passed through its hallow doors 01:54 in years past. 01:55 And the staff has changed a little bit since I was there. 01:59 And so, we get to meet some new friends, 02:01 some really neat guys. 02:02 So we're gonna talk about Eden Valley 02:03 and the work that it does. 02:05 And you want to maybe grab a pen, pencil 02:07 a little bit later on the program. 02:09 We're going to give you some contact information 02:11 because Eden Valley is a place, 02:12 that number you should never have too far away, 02:16 because if you don't need it now, 02:18 you may need it one day, or you may know someone 02:20 who can take advantage 02:21 of its many and varied services. 02:23 We're going to talk about that today, 02:25 and my guest include, 02:26 and I'll start with the one closest to me. 02:28 We've got so many guys, 02:30 we have to bring one over here, and put them by my side. 02:32 This is Dr. Keith. Let's see. 02:34 Schleifer? Did I get it right? 02:36 Schleifer. Yes, yes. 02:37 Dr. Keith Schleifer, is the medical director. 02:39 That's right. 02:40 Okay, we're gonna find out what that entails. 02:42 When I was there Dr. Cherny was the medical director. 02:45 Right. 02:46 And really neat guy who we loved a lot. 02:48 Yes. 02:49 I'm told he's still, still around 02:51 though not practicing. 02:52 Correct, he's still right on campus... 02:53 Praise the Lord. 02:55 His wife and, and they are doing well. 02:58 Excellent, excellent. 02:59 I'm gonna go to the far end and work my way back. 03:02 Travis Laws are in is the lifestyle director. 03:06 Travis, good to have you here. 03:07 Thank you. It's good to be here. 03:09 Yeah. 03:10 You may hear a little Texas drawl from Travis, 03:14 I was teasing it's not a pure Texas drawl, 03:16 because he's been all over California, Idaho, 03:18 so that, that pure Texas has gotten adulterated 03:22 just a little bit in his travel. 03:23 It is watered down a little bit. 03:25 Just a little bit. 03:27 Next to him Gary Ross. 03:28 Gary, good to have you here. Thank you. 03:30 Now you were a patient at one time. 03:31 I was. 03:33 And we're gonna talk about 03:34 what shape you were in when you got there, 03:36 and what shape you're in now, 03:37 because you're looking pretty good. 03:39 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 03:41 And David Hohlfeld. 03:45 Praise the Lord. 03:46 Another patient with a testimony. 03:48 So we've got two practitioners and two personal testimonies 03:51 of the kinds of things that Eden Valley has done. 03:54 And if you've been watching this program 03:55 for any length of time, 03:56 you know that Eden Valley does a very, very fine work. 03:59 Before we go to music and going, 04:00 I want to just talk a little bit 04:02 to the good doctor and Travis. 04:05 And I start with you Dr. Keith. 04:07 Where you from? 04:09 I was born in Southern Colorado. 04:11 But I've lived in Tennessee, North Carolina 04:13 for you know, couple of decades or more. 04:16 So you're really not back that far away 04:19 from your roots as it were. 04:20 I was really happy to come back home to Colorado. 04:24 Adventist family growing up? 04:26 Yes. 04:28 Always wanted to do medicine 04:29 or is it something the Lord just led you into 04:31 or something that always intrigued you. 04:32 I always had a leaning toward medicine. 04:36 I wanted to be... 04:41 In academy, I had so... 04:44 In academy and college I had, I wanted to be a humble doctor 04:49 in the '70s and '80s. 04:52 There was sometimes kind of a God. 04:54 You heard about doctors having a God complex. 04:58 And I did not want to be that type of person. 05:01 So for a couple of years, I was hesitant but anyway, 05:05 God led me on to go to Loma Linda 05:08 and have my training there. 05:10 Loma Linda guy. Yes. 05:11 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 05:13 Where did you set up practice originally? 05:16 I took family practice as my residency board certified 05:20 in Hinsdale Hospital in Hinsdale near Chicago. 05:23 And then I did my first four years 05:26 in Jellico, Tennessee at our hospital there. 05:30 Yeah. 05:31 And doing family practice, delivering babies 05:34 and taking care of heart attacks, 05:36 and strokes, and trauma. 05:38 As a family doctor there, 05:42 each family doctor had to take their turn 05:44 in the emergency room. 05:45 And so I got emergency room experience there then as well. 05:50 And then a doctor from Loma Linda, 05:54 who started an ER group invited me to go to a hospital 05:59 in Fletcher in North Carolina. 06:00 Fletcher, yes. 06:02 And there I've been a ER doctor for... 06:03 I was there about 14 years 06:06 with a good friend Dr. Dwayne Butcher, 06:09 and then he got me into mission work, 06:12 Dr. Butcher helped Mark Finley a lot in his Eastern Europe 06:18 and Soviet and Russian, later Russian work. 06:23 And so I likewise got into doing evangelism, 06:27 doing the medical part of evangelism. 06:29 How long at Eden Valley? 06:30 One and a half years. 06:32 Uh-huh kind of a newbie. 06:33 Yeah, yeah. 06:36 Do you like this aspect of medical work? 06:38 I love it. Yes. Yeah. 06:42 Ever since I've been lecturing about health 06:45 with evangelistic series in the '90s. 06:49 And before, my wife, my wife and I had started 06:54 becoming more healthy in our own cooking, 06:57 became vegan in the '90s, 07:00 and I love the preventive aspect of it, so. 07:04 Yeah. Yeah. 07:05 Sounds like a good fit for a place like Eden Valley. 07:07 Yeah. It really does. 07:09 I love being there. 07:10 Excellent, excellent. 07:12 Travis Laws RN. 07:14 Sir. 07:16 You are from where Travis? 07:17 I'm originally from Northern Idaho, 07:19 and I've been in Texas the last about 11 years, 07:24 before coming to Colorado. 07:26 Now how long at Eden Valley? 07:28 About nine months. 07:30 And that says it all. Everybody is all new here. 07:32 This is not the same group that was there 07:33 when I was there. 07:36 Adventist family growing up, Travis? 07:38 Kind of mixed. 07:40 And my parents were separated 07:41 and so my dad's side of the family 07:44 is the, the Adventist side, 07:45 and my mother's side of the family 07:47 are the non-Adventist sides. 07:49 I grew up with a mix 07:52 of two different worlds so to speak. 07:53 Yeah. 07:54 When did you make that decision for yourself 07:56 to follow the Lord and serve Him? 07:58 Well, I kind of, I grew up going to church. 08:01 Right after high school, 08:02 I went to Upper Columbia Academy 08:04 there, in Spangle, Washington. 08:05 And then shortly after graduating high school, 08:07 I kind of ventured away for several years so. 08:09 Little wilderness time. 08:11 Yeah, yeah, definitely sometime in the wilderness, 08:14 my life took me down some, 08:16 you know, through some poor choices 08:17 down some bad ways 08:19 and when I was about 24, 25 years old, 08:23 through much prayer, 08:24 you know, that's just another sign 08:26 of how prayer works you know. 08:28 I started feeling the Holy Spirit working, 08:30 you know, and needing to get away from, from some things 08:34 and it took me back to Texas, 08:38 and had an aunt and uncle down there 08:39 that are very dear to me and... 08:42 I was able to get a job and lead me back to school 08:46 and that's kind of what led me into nursing, 08:51 met my beautiful wife and... 08:53 So we stayed in Texas for quite a while 08:55 and, and you know the, my Christian experiences 09:00 has definitely been one of struggle 09:02 but it's an ongoing and God is very good. 09:05 Praise the Lord. 09:06 Now, an RN is a profession that is pretty portable. 09:09 You can take that almost anywhere in a country 09:11 and get a fairly decent paying job, 09:14 because that skill is needed. 09:17 What took you to Eden Valley? 09:20 Well, when I graduated from nursing school, 09:23 I took a job in the intensive care unit 09:26 in a 206 bed hospital in Denton, Texas. 09:29 I spent about six years in the ICU, 09:32 and then the last couple of years were 09:35 in the cardiac cath lab. 09:37 And when you're in traditional medicine 09:40 and Dr. Keith can probably attest to this too. 09:42 You spend a lot of time fixing symptoms 09:44 and you don't really get a chance to minister 09:47 to people's true healing. 09:50 You know, you give them medications, 09:52 you give them surgeries 09:54 and those things are good and they're fine. 09:56 But you know, we really wanted to, 10:01 to explore the options 10:03 of actually helping people get better. 10:06 And, you know, we saw a lot of the same people 10:09 coming in over and over and over again 10:10 with the same issues and so, 10:14 we had kind of got to know about lifestyle 10:16 work through some family and friends and... 10:20 We stumbled across Eden Valley 10:22 and our attention was drawn there 10:24 and there is a long story behind it. 10:27 But the Lord is good, and you know, all were, 10:30 so many doors had been shut. 10:31 You know, we had been looking for places for a while, 10:34 and every door for every place that we, 10:36 that we had tried to go to was, was shut 10:38 and with Eden Valley, it's like the floodgates just opened 10:41 everything that needed to happen happened, 10:45 you know, we had a child that was very sick. 10:47 We had the house that needed to sell. 10:49 There is so many things that needed to take place 10:51 for us to be able to go, 10:53 and it's like the Lord just lined everything up 10:55 and made it happen so. 10:57 So you found yourself, Travis, kind of moving away mentally 11:00 from traditional medicine 11:02 that wasn't to put corner phrase 11:04 is not doing it for you anymore. 11:06 Yeah, we just, you know, we wanted to find a way 11:08 to minister in the health. 11:12 I guess the health realm in a different way. 11:17 You know, a lot of people that I saw 11:21 are looking for the pill. 11:22 You know, they want the magic pill to get better, 11:24 if they don't want to really, they're not looking 11:27 to actually make the changes. 11:29 And I guess the difference with people 11:30 that come to places like Eden Valley 11:32 is these people are searching for a healthier life, 11:37 they're searching for a, you know, a cure. 11:40 Yeah. 11:41 And, you know, the natural means 11:44 that we use at Eden Valley. 11:47 You know, they work and we've seen. 11:51 I was blown away just in even in my first session there 11:54 how the results are. 11:56 It was, it was, I wasn't sure what to expect 11:59 I guess going into. Yeah. Yeah. 12:01 David and Gary, you actually do get to talk, 12:03 I'm coming to you. 12:05 We're not going to turn you into a wood armor, 12:07 I wanted to just go back, Dr. Keith, to you 12:09 something that Travis said, 12:11 this idea that in tradition medicine, 12:14 and we're not dogging tradition medicine, 12:16 just the fact that people tend to go to doctor, 12:18 okay, I got this, give me a pill and I can press on. 12:21 And not really have to make any kind of systemic changes 12:23 in my lifestyle. 12:25 Just give me this pill, and I can press on. 12:27 By the time people come to Eden Valley is the... 12:31 And I use the term is the sell hard 12:33 to get them to understand that popping a pill 12:36 is not what you need. 12:38 You need to rearrange your whole mindset 12:39 in what you're doing 12:40 or is it by the time they get there, 12:42 they're kind of already predisposed to think, 12:45 maybe I need to make some changes 12:46 because this pill thing is not going to fly. 12:49 By the time, they've made their decision 12:51 and flown across, flown or driven across the country 12:55 to come to us. 12:57 They're pretty much... 12:59 They've pretty much come to that decision 13:02 that they are going to have to make a change. 13:05 Because, Travis talks and Travis spends a lot of time 13:08 on the phone, going over, 13:09 you know, what it's gonna be like 13:12 and change and... 13:13 Now some people, we had some, one family from Texas 13:19 just this last, just this month. 13:23 Two, one mother and her daughter 13:27 decided to come. 13:28 And mention that they were coming to Colorado. 13:31 And the neighbor said, 13:33 "Well, I want to go with you this way." 13:36 And so, she really didn't know where she was getting into, 13:40 but she came and she enjoyed it 13:42 and it was you know, it was fine. 13:46 It was new for him. Praise the Lord. 13:48 Now at this point, we usually go to music 13:50 but I think, I'm going to hold on the music 13:52 for just a moment 13:53 because I want to get into to two testimonies 13:56 and I don't, I don't want to run out of time. 13:59 Because we've talked about the kinds of things 14:01 that you do just a little bit. 14:02 And I need to mention, 14:04 Eden Valley seems to have a particular ability 14:08 to deal with cancer. 14:10 When I was there, that was, 14:12 I don't want to say your specialty 14:13 but certainly you got more cancer patients, 14:16 than I think any lifestyle center 14:18 that I was aware of. 14:19 Travis, is it still that way? 14:21 Yeah, we still, we still see predominately cancer. 14:25 We've got a very good aggressive cancer program. 14:29 Along with cancer though, we do treat other thing so, 14:32 we've gotten the reputation for cancer. 14:34 Yeah. 14:35 But it's important to let people know too 14:37 that there is more to it than just cancer. 14:39 We do treat the diabetes, the obesity, heart disease, 14:43 and many other, you know, depression and anxiety 14:45 and other, other health issues. 14:47 So you do it all. We do it all. 14:48 Yeah, but you've gotten reputation. 14:50 And well, deserved as a place that deals successfully dare 14:53 I say with cancer. God be praised. 14:56 And you can't run from that, 14:58 I mean you can't run from your record, 14:59 you've got to run on it so, does happen. 15:01 Praise God. 15:02 All right, I want to I want to leave you to professionals 15:04 for just a moment and talk with David and Gary. 15:09 Maybe I'll go with David first. 15:12 Give me, just a little background of 15:16 why you ended up at Eden Valley, 15:19 and what your lifestyle was like before. 15:22 And what medical condition kind of caused you to go there? 15:25 Okay, well, first of all, 15:29 I was diagnosed with abdominal mesothelioma cancer. 15:35 Can I just say this. 15:37 He's got a great voice, you ought to do announcing... 15:39 I'm telling, we all tell him radio voice. 15:41 He's got a radio voice. 15:43 You can tell ad salesman, that's a great voice. 15:45 I've been a ham radio operators license since 1952, 15:49 60 some years, so maybe that's where it comes from, 15:52 I don't know. Yeah. 15:53 But anyway, I was first diagnosed a year ago 15:56 last January. 15:57 And I know, I told my family doctor. 16:02 There is something inside of me that just shouldn't be there. 16:05 So, the next day he had me lined up with a CT CAT scan. 16:11 And that's when they noticed the tumors. 16:15 So biopsy confirmed that it was indeed 16:20 a rare mesothelioma cancer, 16:25 which there is only two to three hundred cases a year 16:28 in United States. 16:29 Isn't mesotheliom triggered by asbestos 16:32 or that they have any connection with asbestos. 16:35 Yeah, therefore, 16:36 for that reason I'll never be cured 16:37 because I've got asbestos in my body. 16:41 But I can be in remission. 16:44 And, you know, 16:46 and I'm functioning perfectly fine right now, 16:49 with tumors in my abdomen. 16:50 I have one on above my liver, 16:52 and I have a couple over on this side here... 16:54 Now, let me ask you this. 16:56 How was your general health prior to this, 16:58 where you eating, living pretty good 17:00 or how was your general health? 17:01 Well, I was a vegetarian 17:03 and tried every way possible to be a vegan. 17:07 But once in a while, some ice cream or some pizza 17:09 would slip in there, you know, 17:11 but... 17:13 I got to nip at and I was 60 17:15 some pounds heavier than I am now. 17:17 I wouldn't recommend the weight loss program, 17:20 but it was good that I lost the weight so. 17:23 But anyway... 17:24 You wouldn't recommend mesothelioma? 17:26 No, I wouldn't recommend that as a means of losing weight 17:29 by any means. 17:32 But I took great stalk in Philippians 4:13. 17:38 "I can do all things with Christ 17:40 who strengthened me." 17:42 So I went 17:43 with all of the traditional medical regimes, 17:47 all the things that you're supposed to do 17:51 when you have cancer, 17:52 you know, when I had these six rounds 17:54 of high potent chemotherapy combined 18:00 with two maintenance regimens after that. 18:04 How did your body respond to the chemo? 18:07 Not well at all. I wound up in the hospital. 18:09 They thought I was going to die. 18:11 I was in there 18:14 during most of the month of March year ago. 18:18 And my oncologist, I ask him, what's my... 18:22 How long I got do you think? 18:23 And he said, "Probably about 12 months." 18:26 He told me that in February. 18:28 So I have proved him wrong. 18:30 Amen. Praise the Lord. 18:31 But anyway the treatment, 18:38 actually, during while I was having the treatment, 18:41 the cancer actually metastasized 18:43 into my diaphragm. 18:46 Now, I had found, I did a lot of research. 18:49 I couldn't even spell mesothelioma, 18:51 when I started. 18:53 But I started, I hit the ground running, 18:55 and I started doing things that I thought I could do 18:58 even before I had an oncologist to try to possibly 19:04 help the the situation of getting rid of the cancer. 19:06 I went on oxygen every night. 19:08 For example, I bought an oxygen concentrator 19:11 and some things like that 19:12 and tried to limit sweets, sugars and so on. 19:16 But anyway, to make a long story short, 19:23 God was closing the doors on traditional treatment. 19:27 I had connected up with the surgeon in Omaha, 19:32 that does a life saving medical surgical procedure 19:38 in which they go in, and they remove 19:39 all of the cancer from your abdomen. 19:42 Then they close you up with a couple of tubes 19:44 coming out of the incision and they pump 19:47 a 109 degree Fahrenheit saline solution of water 19:51 with the chemo throughout your abdominal cavity 19:54 for 60 to 90 minutes. 19:56 And the purpose of this 19:58 is to kill off residual cancer cells 20:01 that might be floating around, 20:03 they may be hadn't attached to the blood source yet 20:06 or any peripheral cells that might have been missed 20:09 in the surgical procedure. 20:12 So I know, Dr. Logis' nurse in Omaha, they said, 20:15 "We can in a perfect world we can virtually guarantee you 20:18 five to seven years longevity with this procedure." 20:21 She said, "We got patients that have been alive 19 years 20:25 since the procedure." 20:27 So that sounded pretty good. 20:28 I want back to Omaha, they did another CT scan and they said, 20:32 "We're sorry to inform you but you were no longer 20:34 a candidate for surgery." 20:37 Because it did metastasized into my diaphragm. 20:41 The doctor said, 20:42 "We have to rebuild so much of your diaphragm 20:45 using muscle from your leg, muscle from so on." 20:48 And he says, "There is a chance we could get into that nerve, 20:51 and if we did, you would be on a respiratory 20:54 the rest of your life." 20:55 And he says, "Neither one of us want that." 20:57 So that was no longer an option. 21:01 It turned out that clinical studies 21:05 for one reason or another. 21:06 The door was closed on those. 21:08 We had Eden Valley in mind. 21:10 We fully intended to go to Eden Valley 21:12 after my surgery to recuperate there 21:15 and to just take what Eden Valley had to offer 21:19 which was plenty. 21:21 But they say, as it was, 21:23 we went to Eden Valley a little sooner than we thought 21:25 'cause all of the other doors and I... 21:27 In the process I just said, you know Lord, 21:33 I put too much emphasis on the strength that I have, 21:36 which has not worked. 21:38 So I am giving my life totally to you. 21:42 If you want to take me, I am 81 years old. 21:44 If you want to take me, that's okay. 21:47 But if you want me to stay around 21:49 and become the testimony for this test 21:51 that I've been through, 21:52 I will sing your praises till the end of the world. 21:54 Amen. 21:56 Now, let me hold you just for a second. 21:57 Dr. Keith, what kind of shape was he in when he came? 22:00 Well, he didn't has a good a color on his face 22:03 and he wouldn't... 22:05 he just weren't quite as vigorous. 22:09 He can barely walk from the car to the front door. 22:11 Yeah, I was very, very weak. Very weak. 22:15 Where you up to 60 pounds 22:16 or had you begun to come back down? 22:18 I had begun to lose most of it. 22:19 Yeah, I have lost. Yeah, the hard way. 22:21 Yeah, the hard way, yeah. 22:24 Travis, what did you see? 22:26 You know, you are the lifestyle guy 22:27 when you got a specimen coming in 22:30 not in such great shape? 22:32 Yeah, it's actually Dave's, Dave's, 22:35 I got a special place in my heart. 22:37 His first session with us was my first session 22:40 at Eden Valley. 22:41 And when he got there, he, like I said, 22:44 he was weak and he struggled. 22:49 He used the cane to get around, and he struggled 22:51 to walk from... 22:53 Going up the stairs. 22:54 Yeah, had a hard time going up the stairs, 22:56 struggled to get from the car of the front door. 22:57 And, well, I think 23:01 it was the second week of the session. 23:04 He was there for 18 days, 23:05 and the second week of the program. 23:07 We look out the window and he is walking, 23:09 walking down to breakfast, 23:10 and he's got his cane in his hand 23:12 but instead of hobbling on, he is twirling it around. 23:16 Praise God. 23:17 It was remarkable the difference that we saw 23:20 just within a couple of weeks, 23:21 and David has been through five sessions now, David? 23:26 Five sessions. Yes. Five sessions. 23:28 So, David, you... 23:30 the medical profession had pretty much 23:31 washed their hands of you 23:33 as far as just kind of, there's not much we can do. 23:34 Yes. 23:35 I will say that the chemo did do some good 23:37 because my CA 125, 23:39 which is a cancer activity marker 23:41 for the type of cancer that I have 23:43 was 519 before I took, 23:46 before I started the regimen of chemotherapy. 23:50 After I completed that in sometime 23:53 in July of last year, 23:56 they did another CA 125, and it was 120. 24:01 So it had come down significantly. 24:03 A normal person without cancer has a CA 125 marker 24:07 of 35 or less. 24:09 I see. I see. 24:10 So anyway, I want to Eden Valley. 24:12 I liked what I saw. 24:14 The people were so helpful, so knowledgeable. 24:18 You could just tell that God was there. 24:20 Praise the Lord. 24:21 And so I decide to stay on. 24:25 I went to the second session. 24:27 And I kept getting little better all the time 24:29 where I felt that I was getting better 24:31 and I was. 24:32 It is consecutively, you just lengthen the time. 24:33 Yes. Yes. 24:35 I went through three sessions up through the end of November. 24:41 At that time, I think my CA 125 was down to 101. 24:48 So I went home through the month of December. 24:51 And because of the holidays and so on, 24:54 and kept on with all of the, 24:56 doing everything that I was instructed to do 24:59 as best as I could. 25:01 And anyway, I had a chance to take a blood test there 25:06 in Wichita a very expensive blood test, 25:09 because we belong to a group 25:10 that is associated with the hospital there. 25:14 And for a few dollars more, I could get a PSA test. 25:18 So I went ahead and did that too. 25:20 And I thought it was very interesting 25:21 because my PSA for the last several years, 25:25 it's always run anywhere from 2.4 to 4.0, 25:29 which is you know suggestive that there might be a problem. 25:33 But my family doctor said, "Well, 25:35 you know, at your age 80, you know, 79, 80, 81." 25:39 He says, "Something is probably... 25:41 something else is probably gonna get you 25:42 before prostate will." 25:44 So I said, "Okay." 25:45 You know... 25:47 I took the test. 25:48 And I was astonished 25:49 because the PSA came back to 0.6. 25:53 Wow, that's a kind of numbers after you had prostate surgery, 25:56 you get those kind of numbers. 25:58 Yeah. 25:59 And the only thing I can figure 26:00 is that the fever treatments did it. 26:02 Because I went back for two more sessions 26:04 in January and February and at the end of that 26:07 I had completed 71 fever treatments. 26:11 You told me that yesterday we were talking, 26:13 I have to bow to you 26:14 as the king of the fever treatments. 26:17 I've taken a few of those things. 26:19 And I... 26:20 They do good. 26:22 But it's like no one ever says, "Wow, 26:26 I really can't wait till my next chemotherapy." 26:28 You know, you don't do that. 26:30 And very few people say, 26:31 "Well, I can't wait till my next fever treatment." 26:35 But you know that it's doing good. 26:38 I think of all of the things that stand out in my mind 26:42 about Eden Valley is the fever treatments. 26:44 You one does not forget. 26:45 And for you to take 71? 26:48 I have completed 71, yeah. 26:50 He's done his PhD this last session. 26:52 Yeah, indeed. 26:53 That's why you are a graduate fever treatment guy. 26:55 I took, I may be 14 or so. 26:58 But I just... 26:59 God bless you. 27:01 I didn't see any self respect in term 27:02 that I could live in that after 71 fever treatments. 27:06 That is amazing. 27:08 Doctor, real quick, tell us what that is? 27:10 What that fever treatment does? 27:12 And what are you seeking to accomplish by that. 27:13 Okay, and then recall that David said 27:16 probably what the oncologists were doing, 27:18 or the special surgery. 27:19 They were gonna pump his abdomen, 27:21 do the surgery 27:23 and then pump his abdomen with the chemo, 27:26 heat it to 109 degrees, 27:28 so regular medicine recognizes that temperatures like that 27:35 do kill cancer cells. 27:39 We started usually getting a hydrotherapy tank, 27:45 with the water starting usually at 110 degrees Fahrenheit, 27:50 and we monitor you and put ice on your back 27:56 and as your temperature comes up, 27:58 we put ice and cool pads on your head. 28:01 So we keep the head cool. 28:03 But our goal is to bring the body temperature up 28:07 to 104 for 20 minutes. 28:10 That's our goal. 28:12 And to do that five days a week, 28:14 so the heat does make, 28:18 does kill cancer cells and makes them more fragile 28:22 and if they don't, you know, 28:25 if they don't die then, they're gonna die soon. 28:30 It makes them more fragile, susceptible to the good, 28:34 the immune system boosting, other things 28:36 that we are doing at Eden Valley. 28:38 Now you were, David, able to hang in there 28:41 to get up to the 104. 28:43 Yes. 28:44 I think the minimal time that I've ever spent above 104 28:47 was like 25 minutes may be 28:51 and the maximum was 48 minutes above104. 28:54 Yeah. Yeah. 28:55 I used to try myself that I could hang in there 28:58 and I did. 29:00 But when I was done, you know, you lay down on the table 29:02 and you are basically comatose for the next hour, 29:05 because it does pull out of you, 29:06 you go to sleep so deep and so fast. 29:09 But you actually feel pretty good, 29:11 you know, when you, when you after you've done that. 29:14 And you know, you're doing something good for your body. 29:16 David, I want to hold just a second, and go to Gary. 29:19 Gary, where are you from? 29:20 Colorado. A Colorado guy. 29:23 Adventist? Yes. 29:24 Growing up? Yes. 29:26 Okay, tell me about what brought you to Eden Valley 29:29 before and then we'll take a look at it 29:31 what's going on right now. 29:33 Well, in '06 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer. 29:37 And then went through the trauma of you know that, 29:41 when you think you are healthy person. 29:43 And so in '07 in just January of '07 I had surgery, 29:49 removed the prostate 29:51 and then became vegetarian 29:56 and also worked on vegan. 30:00 And then as progress time, 30:05 last year my PSA score went from 2 to 4 30:12 and my urologist recommended that I do radiation. 30:18 And I just didn't really want to do radiation 30:22 after studying about it and everything. 30:24 So I knew Lisa, and she recommended 30:27 that I come to Eden Valley, which was a great program. 30:34 So lifestyle wise you were pretty straight. 30:36 You are veganish vegetarian. 30:40 Right. 30:41 So that's not a factor. 30:45 You're asymptomatic, 30:46 just your numbers sort of alerted you. 30:50 Right. 30:52 Yes, and, and through the years they are from 30:55 when we became vegetarian in '07 31:00 you know, I wasn't as healthy as eating habits. 31:04 So Eden Valley really helped us to get back on track 31:07 with that, new things. 31:11 So it was really a great program 31:13 from the any standpoint. 31:14 So it was not a drastic change 31:17 as far as lifestyle is concerned for you, 31:19 just sort of an adjustment, more of a tweaking 31:21 than a radical kind of rearranging of your. 31:23 Right. Right. 31:26 And you stayed for...? 31:29 I was there for the 18 day program. 31:30 For the 18 day program. 31:31 So you did fever treatment also. 31:33 Yes I did. 31:36 I was not the king of the tank. 31:40 It is something. It is really something. 31:45 Travis, was David there when you, when you 31:49 Gary, there when you came? 31:51 Gary, yeah, he was there. 31:54 I had been there for a while now, 31:56 when Gary... 31:57 because you were there in January? 31:59 January. 32:00 Yeah, you came to the January program so. 32:03 You know, we had a delightful experience. 32:06 It's always interesting to see people 32:07 when they get in that hot water and how different people react. 32:11 You have people that are sometimes very stoic. 32:14 You have some people that kind of... 32:16 You have to really encourage 32:18 and Gary was one of the stoic people. 32:19 He sat in there, 32:21 but you could see this look of determination on his face. 32:24 And, yeah, we would be getting up there close to 104, 32:27 and, you know, that's when we get to that 104 mark. 32:31 We start that 20 minute time 32:32 that's when we start counting down. 32:34 Yeah. 32:35 Gary, how you doing? "Yep, hmm-mm." 32:38 You all right? "Hmm-mm." 32:41 I went out. 32:43 We have to move the clock off the wall 32:45 where he couldn't see it 'cause he would be, he'd be... 32:48 'Cause you start clock watching us. 32:49 Yeah. Yeah so. 32:55 He is a tough guy, and it's a testimony. 32:58 His result show it. 32:59 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 33:01 So you got the results that you were looking for? 33:05 Yes. Yes. 33:06 And continued healthy eating. 33:13 I think that's really been a key. 33:15 And a real thing that we encourage us 33:19 at Eden Valley. 33:21 I can't say enough about their health program 33:23 as far as the food, and the exercise, 33:26 and sunshine and all those things 33:29 that they do there. 33:30 Yes. 33:32 Travis, as lifestyle guy, give me some sense of 33:35 the kind of regime that you take your patients through. 33:39 And I guess it's tailored to what they present 33:40 with when they come. 33:42 Right. 33:43 So, you know, the program is all, it's individualized. 33:46 You know we have protocols that we have established. 33:49 But those protocols are adjusted 33:51 based on each individual. 33:52 So you know we have certain goals with cancer. 33:56 So obviously our treatment, our treatments with cancer 33:59 kind of centered around the fever baths. 34:04 And that's the most aggressive treatment 34:08 that we have for cancer. 34:09 That doesn't work for every body. 34:10 For example, 34:12 if you have diabetes along with cancer. 34:13 Some diabetics cannot get in that hot water, 34:15 because of the poor blood flow 34:20 to the extremities and the feet. 34:22 So we don't want to damage any thing. 34:24 We want to help. 34:25 So, you know, we have to kind of tailor things 34:30 to what each person can handle and what their needs are so. 34:36 You mentioned or touched on the hyperbaric chamber 34:38 When I was there, I took a couple of visits 34:41 but it was off site. 34:42 Do you have one on site? 34:43 I know you are working to get that. 34:45 Yeah, we have two 34:47 soft chamber hyperbarics on campus. 34:49 Oh, you do. 34:50 I should come back just for that. 34:53 We have to go into town to do that back then. 34:55 Yeah, you know, one thing that I appreciate it about, 34:59 about the program at Eden Valley, 35:02 we've got a great staff there. 35:04 Dr. Keith spends a lot of time researching, studying. 35:09 My wife and I do a lot of reading. 35:12 We have our herbalist Blauch. We call him the professor. 35:16 He's gonna hate me for saying that. 35:18 He's constantly, he's constantly 35:21 studying and researching so we. 35:23 You know, we want our program to grow. 35:25 You know, we don't want to be stuck in, 35:27 well, this is what we've always done 35:28 because new knowledge comes about. 35:31 We get new insights. 35:32 We learn new things in our program, 35:33 even in the last, you know, the time that I've been 35:35 our program has evolved and it's grown 35:38 and, you know that's, that's a great thing. 35:40 So one of the things that we've, 35:42 that we've put together is with these hyperbarics, 35:45 how can we utilize those to fit the needs of our guest. 35:49 How can we implement them to, to better the program and... 35:55 What we started doing along with, 35:57 with some new diet changes with our, 35:59 with our cancer guest is that they, 36:02 you know, they spend their time in the fever tank, 36:06 killing cancer and then we let them recover 36:08 in the hyperbaric for an hour. 36:10 Oh, nice. Yeah, I like that. 36:12 For those who may not know what a hyperbaric chamber does 36:15 and what it's for. 36:16 Walk us through that real quick? 36:17 So hyperbaric oxygen therapy it's... 36:20 It's basically being pressurized oxygen... 36:23 It was the treatment 36:24 that was centered around scuba diving. 36:26 So people that would go to depth in, 36:29 there are some issues you can get 36:31 from coming up too fast, or being down too low, 36:34 and that's called the bends. 36:36 And hyperbaric chambers came about 36:39 to basically put people in the same pressure 36:42 that they would be at depth when they're scuba diving. 36:44 And different chambers are rated differently, 36:47 but it's basically. 36:48 It's putting you at pressure, 36:51 so our chambers go to one atmospheric pressure, 36:55 which is not a lot, 36:58 some of the more like things 37:00 you would see at the larger hospital, 37:01 the solid chambers can go up to six to eight atmospheres... 37:05 But in a oxygen rich environment. 37:07 Yes, in an oxygen rich environment. 37:09 Our chambers are not 100 percent oxygen, 37:11 they are mixed air. 37:13 It's under pressure 37:14 and so what that does when people are in there. 37:16 It saturates the blood more thoroughly, 37:19 it increases the oxygen supply to the blood. 37:24 Obviously, the healthy tissues are given more oxygen 37:28 and the thing that we had to piece together was 37:32 how does that affect cancer? 37:35 And that's work, what we found with diet changes, 37:39 we've implemented some like I said, 37:41 some diet changes too to work with the oxygen, 37:45 you know, oxygen use by itself does very little. 37:50 But when you apply, what we call a ketogenic diet, 37:56 very low carbohydrates, 37:58 high healthy plant based proteins, 38:00 healthy fats, coconut oil, avocados, nuts, flaxseed, 38:05 chia seeds, things like that. 38:07 When you, when you combine that with oxygen, 38:10 it forces the cancer cells 38:14 to leave an environment that they like, 38:17 to an environment that they don't like. 38:19 And it doesn't make them happy. 38:23 And Dr. Keith, I'm sorry... 38:24 Travis, you're close on that, you agree with that. 38:27 Yes. We want to emphasize that. 38:30 It's been studied over the years, 38:31 and that we don't want any misconceptions. 38:34 Oxygen does not directly kill cancer cells. 38:39 It is true that cancer cells have learned to survive 38:43 in a low oxygen environment, 38:45 because they start growing without a blood supply. 38:48 So they and then later they send out signals to draw, 38:54 to draw new vessels to them and then that's part 38:58 of how vegetables, tomatoes and soybeans. 39:03 Many of these phytochemicals, plant chemicals 39:08 will inhibit the formation of a new artery 39:12 to the cancer cell, 39:13 so anyway cancer cells have learned to survive 39:17 on less oxygen. 39:19 But, oxygen... 39:21 but when they get oxygen, it's fine with them. 39:24 They're maybe even happier 39:26 so oxygen does not kill cancer cells, 39:30 but with the ketogenic diet. 39:34 And of course, if you Google ketogenic diet, 39:36 you're going to come up with the Atkins diet 39:39 and such like that, 39:40 which having meat, and meat fat, 39:43 which is inflammatory and inflammation 39:47 will feed and drive cancer. 39:49 So we have the vegan ketogenic diet. 39:53 And cancer cells thrive on glucose. 40:00 And glycogen stores things 40:02 that break down really on glucose. 40:05 Cancer cells almost primarily, 40:09 Travis put this in layman's terms, 40:11 and we'll use a little more in doctor terms, 40:14 but there's two different types of metabolism 40:17 of producing energy in the cell. 40:19 Glycolysis which is just simply use split glucose 40:24 and you make two units of ATP and, 40:28 and that's what cancer cells do primarily. 40:32 They don't... 40:36 They don't go on to use 40:37 the more efficient Krebs cycle that, 40:42 that the rest of our cells can do. 40:44 So anyway, if we can starve 40:46 the cancer cell of carbohydrates starch glucose 40:52 and provide mainly just fiber and some protein 40:56 and even a little coconut oil, 41:01 which is readily used as fuel by the body. 41:06 If you Google this, the ketogenic diet is boosted 41:11 somewhat by oxygen by hyperbaric therapy. 41:15 So, we're using the vegan ketogenic diet 41:20 or 100 percent plant based diet, 41:24 plus the hyperbaric chambers 41:26 and together they have an anti-cancer effect. 41:29 Praise the Lord. 41:30 And I need to say this, both you guys 41:32 David and Gary 41:34 weight wise, you look pretty good. 41:37 Like you are right about where you ought to be. 41:41 Travis, you're not starving them at least when I was there. 41:45 The only changes we stop eating 41:47 I think about 2-3 o'clock in the afternoon, 41:49 which you actually get used to the after a while, 41:51 and it's preferred but as far as quantity, 41:54 I don't recall starving myself by any stuff, 41:57 you eat like a horse. 41:59 But the weight comes off, 42:00 because of the kinds of things that you're eating. 42:03 And I was, I was incredibly impressed 42:06 with the quality of the food. 42:08 And the stuff tastes good. 42:10 So you don't feel like you're being deprived. 42:12 Did you guys feel it in anyway that you have been deprived? 42:14 The food was wonderful. 42:15 It was wonderful. Yeah, yeah. 42:17 Very, very beautifully presented to it. 42:20 Every, every meal, every plate was so artistically designed 42:24 that you just hate it almost to ruin it by taking some. 42:30 The presentation was beautiful and the quantity was quite... 42:33 Amen. Yeah. It was well done. 42:36 And you're eating two big healthy meals a day. 42:41 And, Travis, I guess for the most part, 42:43 most people can live on two, you know. 42:45 Right. 42:48 You know, it's the old saying, 42:50 "Eat breakfast like a king, 42:51 eat lunch like a king, eat dinner like a pauper." 42:54 You know, so at Eden Valley we serve nice big breakfast... 42:59 You do. 43:01 Lots of options. 43:02 We've got a nice selection at lunch time, 43:05 and then in the evening time 43:06 we serve a extremely healthy vegetable stock. 43:11 Broth from fresh that we make fresh everyday, 43:14 out of fresh vegetables, 43:16 many of which are grown in on our property. 43:18 Yeah. Yeah. 43:19 We have a large organic farm there, 43:21 so a lot of the produce in the growing season 43:22 comes directly from our fields to your plate. 43:26 That's great, that's great. Dr. Keith? 43:28 Yeah, I'd like to add, 43:30 we had just someone come from Alaska this month, 43:33 a dear lady, and after like, after a week she said, 43:39 "I have never been able to lose five pounds 43:42 and now seven pounds in one week, and felt so good." 43:48 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you eat. 43:50 You know, we've got some pictures. 43:51 Let's go to those and kind of run through and, gentlemen, 43:53 walk me through what we're looking at here. 43:55 This is... 43:57 This is just a picture, 43:58 this is actually looking across one of our, 44:00 one of our alfalfa fields. 44:02 We have organic alfalfa fields that we, 44:05 that we grow hay in. 44:06 So this is one of the pictures 44:08 looking at across one of the properties. 44:10 We have 550 acres there. 44:13 And this is looking back so 44:16 the nice thing about Eden Valley is it, 44:17 it is a valley. 44:19 We are surrounded by mountains. 44:20 In this view we're looking back to the east. 44:23 And you have the beautiful 44:25 flat top red cliffs on that side. 44:29 And then on the west, and that's another. 44:32 Another view from a similar some location, 44:34 look back towards the red cliffs are big pond. 44:39 It's beautiful country. It's rural and rustic. 44:42 It's very, very nice. 44:44 This is the top of the red cliffs, 44:46 and this is, there are some trails you got, 44:47 there you can see a couple people 44:49 that have hiked up there. 44:50 I'm not sure who it is in that picture. 44:53 My wife I think is the one that took this one. 44:56 There's trails that go up there, 44:57 so our guests have the opportunity 44:59 to hike up to some of these places, 45:01 and the views are just absolutely spectacular. 45:04 It's a nice walk, not too difficult. 45:06 It's good walk, good healthy walk, yeah. 45:08 Travis, your wife is on staff? 45:10 Well, she is on staff 45:12 and we've got two little girls at home, 45:13 so this is actually a picture of my oldest daughter Sophia 45:16 sitting by the pond there. 45:19 She is a physical therapist 45:21 so she will help out once a while doing consultations 45:24 and working with guests that need some extra help. 45:28 And other than that she, she works harder than anybody, 45:30 she's at home with those two girls. 45:32 Oh, yes. 45:33 One of the neat things about our campus is the location. 45:36 That's a picture of the red cliffs, 45:38 and then a large herd of elk. 45:40 In the fall, 45:42 we'll have as many as five to six hundred elk at a time 45:45 right there clustered together, 45:46 so lots of wildlife in the area 45:49 that they will be seen right there, so. 45:53 And that is? 45:55 This is a... 45:56 This is a picture again of some Canadian. 45:59 My dad would correct me, 46:00 they're not Canadian geese or Canada geese. 46:03 So I say, well, how do you know they're not Canadian? 46:07 Yeah, picture of our church. 46:09 Winter time, people are afraid of Colorado in the winter time 46:12 but there is snow. 46:14 But it is absolutely a beautiful place. 46:16 This is some other pictures of our campus from this past 46:19 winter and... 46:21 Very beautiful. This is... 46:23 This is our number one greenhouse. 46:26 This is taken this spring right at the... 46:29 They had planted stuff over winter and in early, 46:32 early spring, maybe late winter, 46:34 stuff started coming up, 46:35 so this is a greenhouse full of kale. 46:40 I think two or three, may be four different kales, 46:44 different lettuces, organic greens, 46:46 that we have been serving now 46:49 for a couple of months now in our kitchen. 46:52 This is some, some pictures of, 46:55 this is a typical breakfast layout at Eden Valley, 46:59 lots of variety fresh, fresh fruits. 47:03 There's gonna be some, some vegetables in there, 47:07 some cooked options, so lots of, 47:10 lots of variety to fit everybody's taste. 47:15 And Dr. Keith and Travis, both, 47:16 you lean them towards increasing the raw intake, 47:19 don't you as far as food is concerned? 47:21 Yes, for cancer we encourage about 80 percent raw 47:26 and 20 percent cooked. 47:28 There's Antonio which is actually Travis' mother-in-law. 47:32 She's on the left and Rebecca on the right there 47:36 with some of the organic lettuce there from our, 47:39 from our farm. 47:41 So, yeah, we have a big 47:42 80 percent of the table is basically a salad bar. 47:46 And then we have the cooked, some cooked food. 47:49 You know, some quinoa beans or you know, nice, 47:53 nice taste in food there. 47:56 And as David and Gary are nodding their head. 47:59 Yes, so, I love this beautiful spring picture of spring 48:04 on Eden Valley. 48:07 And I'll mention that we are just 22 miles from the, 48:11 Rocky Mountain National Park. 48:13 And of course, you can Google, 48:16 those are the pictures of Rocky Mountain National Parks 48:18 and we take everyone, we take, 48:23 we take everyone there one day 48:25 during their session to the park. 48:28 And let them experience a beautiful part of Colorado. 48:33 That's a lifestyle center there on the right, is it not? 48:35 Yeah, that's correct. 48:37 That's the main lifestyle center, 48:38 so there is some guest housing there, treatments and... 48:42 Yeah, that's kind of, well, 48:43 the central point of our program there. 48:46 Yeah. 48:47 Really, really, wonderful and it's a beautiful spot. 48:49 We went there. 48:51 My wife and I, Irma and I went there. 48:53 We landed on in January on Sunday with our jackets off. 48:59 It was January. 49:00 And it was, well, I don't know, sometimes, 49:02 but we had our coats over our shoulder. 49:05 By Tuesday, we were under may be four inches of snow. 49:10 And by Sabbath, we're back with our jackets off. 49:15 That's northern Colorado weather. 49:17 Yeah. 49:18 If you don't like the weather, just wait a couple of hours. 49:20 Yeah. And it will change drastically. 49:22 You know, from snow storm, 49:23 to almost mid-summer back to mid-winter. 49:27 David and Gary, 49:29 tell me what stands out in your mind 49:31 most in the little time we have, we have left. 49:33 But as you think back over your treatments, 49:35 and the treatments there and the people there. 49:37 What kind of... 49:38 If you were to say Eden Valley, finish this sentence, 49:41 what stands out in your mind the most? 49:46 Eden Valley... 49:47 I'm sorry. 49:49 Is a Christ centered healing process. 49:55 I can't praise God enough for the way He scored to my life. 50:01 Praise the Lord. 50:03 Yeah, God had given you a new lease. 50:05 Yes. Definitely. Yeah. Praise the Lord. 50:08 Amen. 50:10 Gary? 50:11 The staff. 50:13 Great, great staff. 50:16 And then you meet the people that are there 50:18 and just the whole thing with the people 50:21 that are there is very encouraging and uplifting. 50:25 And then I would say the food and was just very well. 50:31 Learning the new process that they've gone through with foods 50:36 for that specific, you know, 50:37 cancer or whatever it is diabetes etcetera. 50:40 You both said precisely what I wanted to say. 50:43 One, the staff and the people. 50:47 The staff has changed since the days I was there, 50:51 but the mindset has not changed. 50:55 And what you're trying to do certainly has not changed. 50:58 And the Christ centered approach has not changed, 51:01 that's carried on. 51:02 And the second thing that scares most people is the food. 51:07 You know, it's like, am I gonna be eating cardboard. 51:09 You know, or what am I going to be eating. 51:11 It's not just twigs and berries. 51:12 Not there. 51:15 Not at all. 51:16 You know, I got to bring out my Eden Valley rock. 51:18 This is something that Beverley Christian painted for me 51:20 when we were there. 51:22 And this is a have a little fella. 51:23 I don't know if I can get them to lock in on this. 51:27 And I guess, I would turn it that way. 51:29 That's Eden Valley 51:31 and the painting was done by Beverly 51:33 and we had this for and this is, 51:35 this is kind of a paper, 51:37 was not a paper weight, this is a doorstop. 51:38 This is a heavy piece of rock from the area 51:43 and we have it there, 51:44 but that's what Eden Valley looks like. 51:46 And up here on the top, you can walk up there, 51:49 it's very, very nice, 51:50 and the view down into the valley is really, 51:52 really incredible. 51:53 So it is a great place to be and... 51:57 We recommend it highly. 51:58 We're going to go now to our address roll. 52:02 Should you want to make contact with Eden Valley, 52:04 should you want to be part of this experience. 52:05 Should you want to support their work or find out about 52:08 the services that they may have for you. 52:10 Here's the information that you will need, 52:11 followed by our newsbreak. 52:13 Then we'll come back and put a little bow on this 52:14 before we say bye-bye. 52:17 The hustle and bustle of our daily lives 52:19 and bad habits can cause much stress upon our bodies. 52:23 Eden Valley is ready to help you improve your life. 52:26 If you'd like to contact them, 52:27 then write to Eden Valley Institute 9325, 52:31 World Mission Drive, Loveland, Colorado 80538. 52:35 That's Eden Valley Institute 9325, 52:38 World Mission Drive, Loveland, Colorado 80538. 52:43 You can call 970- 669-7730. 52:47 That's 970- 669-7730. 52:51 You can also visit their website at eden-valley.org. 52:55 That's eden-valley.org. |
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