Participants: C. A. Murray (Host), Shelley Quinn & Kenny Shelton
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY016023A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:39 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:50 Mending broken people 01:06 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:08 My name is CA Murray, and allow me once again 01:10 to thank you, for sharing just a little 01:12 of your no doubt busy day with us. 01:15 To thank you for your love, your prayers, your support 01:17 of Three Angels Broadcasting Network. 01:19 And a thank you for joining us for what is another 01:22 3ABN Today/Present truth /Bible study program, 01:27 because we want to delve into the things of God. 01:29 And on these very special programs, 01:31 we're looking at what we call "Present truth." 01:34 Truth for this age, truth for this time, 01:37 truth for our church, truth for the world. 01:40 Truth for those who are looking 01:41 to have a saving relationship with Jesus Christ. 01:43 And so, welcome once again to, 01:46 what we think is gonna be just for us 01:47 who study the word of God, and who know the word of God, 01:50 a fun program. 01:51 We've already determined, this gonna be a fun program. 01:53 Amen. And indeed it will be. 01:54 I have two eminently qualified persons 01:57 to discuss this with me today. 01:59 And I say that not because they carry so many degrees 02:03 and that's not what's important is that 02:05 they spent their lives studying the word of God. 02:07 And degrees are unnecessary, unimportant, and unimpressive 02:11 when you're studying the word of God 02:12 because the Bible is as simple or as complex 02:15 as you wish it to be. 02:16 It is as simple as the most unlearn person 02:19 who can just barely read and write 02:20 can find gold there. 02:22 And the double PhD or the Double Doctorate 02:24 can find gold there because it grows with you. 02:27 And if your heart is right, and if your mind is right, 02:30 and if your soul is right, 02:31 when you open the word of God, 02:32 God has guaranteed 02:34 that you will find truth for this present time. 02:36 So I say that to introduce the lady, Shelley Quinn. 02:39 Lovely to be here as always. 02:41 And, Pastor Kenny Shelton. 02:43 Thank you, good to be here. 02:44 And two good students of the word, 02:46 and two people that I personally like 02:47 very, very much, 02:49 who are fun people, fun to be with, 02:51 love God, love the word of God 02:53 and are students of the word of God. 02:55 So grab your Bible now 02:56 because today our subject is going to be 02:58 what the theologians call Christology, 03:01 the word about Christ, the doctrine of Christ. 03:04 What is Christ all about? 03:06 And as we move into this, 03:07 I know just last night I just put pen down. 03:10 Obviously, we will not be able to exhaust this subject, 03:13 we will admit that from the very beginning, 03:16 we won't even come close-- 03:18 And so I wrote down a couple of ways 03:20 that we could attack this thing. 03:21 And maybe we could do a bit of them all. 03:23 We could talk about what Isaiah had to say. 03:25 Just, just the prophecies concerning Christ, 03:27 the kind of servant Christ would be. 03:29 Life of Christ, from Luke 2:52 on here, 03:32 "He grew in wisdom, strength and in favor with God and man." 03:35 We talk ministry of Christ, 03:37 just a three and half years of the ministry of Christ. 03:40 We could talk about the time before miracles of Christ, 03:44 parables of Christ, the sacrifice of Christ, 03:45 the atonement of Christ. 03:47 Christ on a cross, Christ after cross. 03:48 Pre 1844, post 1844, relationship to the father, 03:53 then the thing that has really stumped 03:55 and that theologians have wrestled with 03:57 for the past 2000 years, the nature of Christ. 03:59 Yes. 04:00 We could talk about that from now on, 04:02 because they've been dealing with that for 2000 years, 04:04 then the personality of Christ. 04:06 Then the relationship between God the Father, 04:08 God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. 04:10 So, there are so many ways, 04:11 so many things that you could talk about. 04:14 We could take a good dozen or so programs 04:16 and still not exhaust that doctrine of Christ. 04:19 But we want to sort of tackle that today 04:20 because that is something 04:22 that is close to our hearts and close to us all. 04:25 And so though we prayed before our program, 04:28 I think I will pray now, 04:29 as we sort of enter into our subject 04:31 because of the weightiness of the subject. 04:34 And the importance of the subject. 04:36 And I'm gonna ask Shelley Quinn, 04:37 if you would now pray for us, Shelly, 04:39 please at this point. 04:40 Sure. I'd like to. 04:41 Our loving heavenly Father, 04:43 we come once again in the name of Jesus. 04:44 And father, our prayer is that now as we look 04:48 at Jesus Christ, your only begotten son, 04:52 that you would Lord guide 04:55 by the power of your Holy Spirit, guide our minds. 04:59 We pray that you will, Lord, just touch every ear 05:03 that is listening to this program. 05:06 And we pray in the name of Jesus, Father 05:08 that you will give usurious to hear 05:10 what the Holy Spirit would have to say. 05:13 Lord may every word that we say lift Christ high 05:18 that He may draw all men into himself. 05:21 Thank you, Father for this opportunity, 05:23 thank You, Lord for all who have joined us. 05:26 We pray a special blessing on their lives today, 05:29 and we ask these things thanking You for the answer 05:32 to the prayer of faith, in Jesus name. 05:35 Amen. Amen. 05:36 Amen. 05:37 You know, Pastor Kenny and Shelley, 05:39 when the Adventist Church was in its infancy, 05:43 some of the church fathers rejected the idea of Trinity. 05:48 They didn't understand it. 05:49 They thought it was something 05:50 that was a carryover from Catholicism 05:52 and was rejected. 05:53 They knew who God the Father was. 05:56 They knew who God the Son was. 05:57 They knew the Holy Spirit. 05:58 But linking them together as Trinity, 06:02 they thought it was something that shouldn't be. 06:04 And of course, we grew 06:05 and we came into an understanding of three 06:07 co-equal personalities, persons. 06:12 Though the Bible doesn't say, 06:13 Trinity per se, that's what it is. 06:15 De facto 06:17 and the biggest question that has wrestled 06:20 or that Christians have wrestled 06:22 with down through the ages is... 06:24 Was Christ God? 06:26 Is Christ God? 06:27 Is He a little lesser than God? 06:29 Is there a time when He was not? 06:31 Is He coexistent? 06:32 Is He coeternal? 06:33 And that is one aspect and then of course, 06:38 there is the aspect of what He did for us. 06:39 There is so much to talk about. 06:41 Oh, wow. 06:42 So, Shelley I think I'll just let you sort of way in 06:45 and will comment on what you have, 06:48 I want to dug up some of my old school papers, 06:50 and some stuff that I've written 06:51 over the years and my old Bible studies. 06:53 There is so much and I see you got, 06:54 you're armed also. 06:55 There is so much on this subject 06:57 but, Shelley, you begin if you will. 06:59 I think that... 07:01 The first thing that we have to recognize 07:03 is that many major religions recognize Christ as a prophet. 07:09 Whereas they do not say, 07:11 the Jews, the Muslims do not recognize Him 07:14 as the Son of God. 07:15 And for me the starting point, 07:18 if we're going to be talking about 07:19 the only begotten Son of God is Deuteronomy 6:4. 07:23 So let me just, just let me read that. 07:25 Shema. 07:26 In Deuteronomy 6:4, 07:29 this is what the scripture says, 07:31 "Hear, O Israel: 07:32 The Lord our God, the Lord is one." 07:37 Now, in the Hebrew, the translation of this is 07:41 Yahweh our Elohim, Yahweh is echad. 07:47 Now that means Jehovah, our self existent 07:50 all powerful God, creator is plural but one. 07:55 So let's just look at this, 07:57 Yahweh in and that of course is the tetragrammaton, 08:01 that the-- Isn't that a large word? 08:04 To me, it just means a four letter word. 08:05 Four letter word. 08:06 Tetragrammaton. 08:08 That's a huge word. 08:09 But of course, the Jews use without the vowels, 08:14 they do have Y.H.W.H. 08:16 which is Jehovah in English. 08:18 And this is the name that God announced 08:23 to Moses at the burning bush. 08:26 "I'm Yahweh." 08:28 It is also the name that is used in Genesis 1. 08:33 The 1:1 when Jesus, when God said, 08:38 "I am, " or it was Elohim, excuse me 08:41 I'm, "I'm ahead of myself." 08:43 So Yahweh means I am. 08:45 It's the one who is the self existent one. 08:48 Now, Elohim means 08:51 the all-powerful creator and sustainer, 08:54 Elohim is a plural masculine noun. 08:59 Very true. 09:00 So in the very first scripture of the Bible, 09:06 the inspired word Genesis 1:1. 09:08 When it says, "In the beginning, 09:11 it was in the beginning Elohim created," 09:15 this plural masculine noun. 09:18 So, these words show us 09:20 that there is the presence of only one God. 09:24 But that our all-powerful creator 09:26 is composed of more than one unit. 09:29 Because it goes on to say 09:31 that Yahweh, our Elohim is echad, 09:35 and echad is the definition of a union of several components 09:40 into a single component. 09:43 So, from the very beginning of the Bible, 09:46 and here when it is saying "The Lord is one," 09:49 what the Bible is telling us 09:52 is that God the Father, the Son, and the Spirit 09:58 are one in purpose, thought and action. 10:01 Yes. 10:02 That they are united to the point 10:07 that there is absolutely no room for a separate plan. 10:11 Yeah. 10:12 And that's, that's, that's and that's countenance 10:14 in the word echad, this idea of, 10:17 of a several being brought together into a one. 10:20 Yes. 10:21 And our minds are so much in the same place, 10:23 "Bereshit Elohim bara," 10:25 the very first was it "Bereshit bara Elohim." 10:27 I always get those two mixed. 10:28 I think it's "Bereshit Elohim bara," 10:30 in the beginning God. 10:32 And of course, that Elohim is a plural term 10:34 that "IM" is the "S" is the plural term. 10:36 So, we're thinking the same and it's, you know, 10:38 we're going into a place where after a while, 10:41 you will scratch your head and say, 10:43 "Lord, I give up and just accept it." 10:44 Because there's only so much a human mind can understand 10:47 how you get three out of one, one in three. 10:49 How do you get these three 10:50 co-exist and co-equal personalities? 10:54 There's only, and I think 10:55 that would be one of the things, 10:57 dear Shelley, that we will be studying 10:58 throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. 10:59 Amen. How does that work? 11:01 Because there's only, 11:02 they say we use what eight to ten percent 11:04 sort of a whole lot of brain that just not being used, 11:06 that will help us to understand this, 11:07 this marvelous Trinity, 11:09 Trinitarian idea 11:12 of three co-existent, co-equal personalities that are God. 11:16 And of course, God or Elohim is, 11:19 is not a personal name, it's a title, 11:21 it's more of an office like, "Pastor, 11:23 " because you've got God the Father, 11:25 God-- they're all God. 11:27 So, God is not a personal name, 11:28 it's a title, an office that all three of them hold 11:32 which makes them co-equal and co-eternal. 11:34 You know, there's one thing 11:35 I want to say about that though. 11:36 Even though they are co-equal, 11:38 they're of one essence and they are perfectly united. 11:44 Still the Bible shows us a chain of command. 11:47 It does. It truly does. 11:48 Because everything that the Holy Spirit does 11:51 is to bring glory to Jesus Christ. 11:53 Yeah. 11:54 Everything that Christ does is to bring 11:56 glory to the Father. 11:57 Yes. 11:58 And then the Father turns around 12:00 and gives them- 12:01 And gives it back, yeah. 12:02 All authority. 12:04 I mean it's just, you know, the humility of God. 12:07 Yes. 12:08 And when I say of God, we speak, 12:10 we use the word trinity. 12:11 The humility of the trinity is outstanding. 12:15 But I think that's because 12:17 it's that essence of divine love. 12:18 Yes. Yes. 12:20 And the idea of one in purpose. 12:21 So, if we are truly one, I have no problem... 12:25 And, you know, 12:26 we are limited to the English language, 12:27 which is so poor when you're talking 12:29 but I will allow you to shine 12:31 because and you send it right back to me, 12:34 and I give it right back to you 12:35 and that's, that's how we work 12:37 because we are one in everything. 12:38 There's no jealousy, there's no envy. 12:41 There is volitional subordination 12:44 when it is necessary. 12:45 Or when Christ says, 12:46 "I give all glory to His Father." 12:48 Ellen White says, 12:50 "Plainly Jehovah, is the name given to Jesus. 12:53 But He chooses now to defer in certain things." 12:56 And Holy Spirit says, 12:58 "I don't come to speak of myself. 13:00 As you all said, I come to give glory to God." 13:02 Amen. A glory to Jesus. 13:03 So, it's, first of all, it's a good pattern for us, 13:07 who serve the Lord, and follow the Lord... 13:08 Yes. 13:09 That there is this, this subordination 13:12 because of love 13:14 and because of working in the same thing. 13:17 It seems like at least, or mostly in Adventism, 13:20 we have a difficult time saying Trinity. 13:26 No matter where I go all the years, 13:28 there are those who will come up, 13:29 and they will say, 13:30 "Well, I'll wait a minute here." 13:32 Because maybe they have, 13:33 they've defined Trinitarian or Trinity 13:35 a little differently. 13:37 We look at it today, 13:38 and what I have to say simplify, 13:40 I say "The Godhead." 13:41 So less confusion for a lot of people 13:43 because they look at the word 13:45 and their thinking is different than really what it is. 13:48 Agreed, agreed. 13:49 So we say, "Okay, with Godhead," 13:51 okay, that's the issue, 13:52 that's something goes on and on. 13:54 But as we look at it today, you mentioned the offices 13:57 all in one altogether. 13:59 No one were doing a thing any different 14:01 than the other one would do. 14:02 But like you say, 14:03 "God's law for instance, God's law was broken." 14:07 Jesus in his office came down here, 14:10 lived the perfect life, lived the law of God, 14:13 made sacrifice. 14:15 And then the Holy Spirit was sent. 14:18 Holy Spirit brings conviction. 14:20 Each one separate office be at one and the same. 14:24 So, I look at John 5:39, 14:27 you know, search the scriptures. 14:29 Because what we're doing today 'cause we want to find 14:32 our people today looking, need to find Jesus. 14:35 "Search the scriptures, 14:36 for in them ye think ye have eternal life: 14:39 and they are they which, what, testify of me." 14:41 So scripture testifies of Jesus, and you say, 14:44 "Yeah, but Jesus, what did He come for?" 14:46 John 5 it says, "He came to do the will of His father. 14:50 He came to finish the work." 14:52 So that helped me I'm saying, 14:54 "Praise God, when we study about Jesus, 14:56 that He came, He lived, He died, 14:58 He set the example, prep, you know, 15:00 made the doors open to heaven for us." 15:01 But He came to do the will of His Father, 15:04 He came to show us 15:05 who the Father really is rather than-- 15:08 Don't we think today that people have 15:10 a mis-concept of God and His character? 15:12 Oh, absolutely. 15:14 I think, I think that. 15:15 I will say this that 15:16 at the risk of being misunderstood. 15:18 I don't believe that the relationship in heaven 15:20 is Father, Son, Holy Ghost. 15:22 I think, I think we are, we are limited in our ability 15:27 to track that, to explain that. 15:29 So the best we can do in English, 15:31 or in, in human speech is Father, Son, Holy Ghost. 15:34 The relation is much more intimate than that. 15:37 But we have no language to, to describe that. 15:41 So the best we can do is Father, Son, 15:43 you know, you can't get any better than that on earth. 15:46 But it's closer than that, it's tighter than that. 15:49 It's more intimate than that. It's more intricate than that. 15:52 But for now, we've got to deal with Father, Son 15:54 'cause that's all we've got. 15:55 Isn't that what it means in scripture 15:57 when it says that the only begotten Son. 16:00 The word begotten really is means, "Intimate relationship." 16:04 And I thought about from the bosom, 16:06 I've heard they say it all time. 16:08 We used to run around in school and do different things, 16:11 and sometimes you had little buddy. 16:12 And every time you've seen one, you've seen the other, 16:14 what they say, "Booze and buddies," 16:16 that's humanly speaking. 16:18 Yeah. 16:19 But with relationship, it is an intimate, 16:22 it's one on one as it were, they're just so tied together, 16:26 they're inseparable. 16:27 Absolutely. 16:28 And that to me that's the begotten part of it. 16:30 Can we, can we hit that for just a minute? 16:32 Because this is where many people, even Christians, 16:38 it's not just necessarily Muslims or Jews. 16:41 But some Christians will say, "Well, he was begotten." 16:44 You were correct, that begotten is very intimate. 16:50 But I'd like to just hit a few scriptures on that. 16:53 And let's look at that. 16:55 In John 1:14, I'm going to read 16:58 from the American Standard Version, 17:01 John 1:14 because that's closest to the original Greek. 17:05 And what it says in John 1:14, 17:08 it says this, "And the word became flesh." 17:11 And it's of course, in the beginning was the word, 17:13 the word was with God, the word was God. 17:17 And so John 1:14 says, "The word became flesh 17:20 and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, 17:25 glory as of the only begotten from the Father." 17:32 Not of the father, but from the father. 17:35 "Full of grace and truth. Christ was sent." 17:39 He is the sole representative of God on earth, 17:44 before the spirit came. 17:46 And He came to present the character of God. 17:51 That's what I like about Hebrews 1:3 17:54 is it says that-- let me just read that to you 17:57 because that is such an amazing scripture. 18:01 Hebrews 1:3... 18:05 I'll start with verse 1, 18:07 "God who at various times and in various ways 18:10 spoke in the time passed to the Fathers by the prophets. 18:14 Has, in these last days, spoken to us by His Son 18:18 whom He has appointed heir of all things 18:20 through whom also He made the world." 18:23 So there's a lot of scripture in the New Testament 18:25 to show us that Christ was creator. 18:28 "Who is speaking of Christ," in verse 3. 18:30 "Being the brightness of his Glory, 18:34 and the express image of his person, 18:39 he was the affluence of God... 18:44 is upholding all things by the word of his power." 18:48 So, Christ is the only one who possesses every-- 18:53 A, He possessed every attribute of God, 18:55 He was fully God. 18:57 Now, Colossians 2:9 says that 19:01 "In him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." 19:08 Christ completely, I mean, these are, if you could clone, 19:13 if you want to use that word, everything that Jesus 19:19 was and is, is what the Father was is. 19:22 The exact nature of God. 19:26 The exact nature, exact everything. 19:27 Not just the outward as it were appearances what we think. 19:29 You noticed how you struggled for language. 19:31 Absolutely. 19:34 Because, because human language is so, 19:36 is so limited to describe a divine concept. 19:39 So, we do the best we can with what we have. 19:42 But God took on human flesh 19:45 and we beheld Him as Jesus Christ. 19:47 And that's about the best you can do 19:50 with something that, that we will spend eternity 19:52 trying to study. 19:54 And of course, we have spent the last 2000 plus years 19:56 dealing with it, the nature of Christ. 19:59 You know, we could go to Acts NIV 20:01 and all that kind of stuff which would 20:02 make it much too complex. 20:04 But the best we can do was that God, God chose 20:08 to take on human flesh, fully God, fully man 20:12 and coming to dwell with us. 20:14 And that, and the incarnation 20:16 is another hour of worth of, you know, of subject 20:19 that we could, that we could wrestle with. 20:21 But the one thing that I want to point out is 20:23 "begotten," many people think 20:24 "begotten" means, "To be born of," 20:27 because the word begotten was used as an only, 20:30 you know, an only child. 20:32 But in this sense, it's suggesting as you said, 20:35 a very intimate relationship. 20:37 Yes. 20:38 But it does not imply the big, necessarily, 20:40 the beginning of his Sonship I mean, it does not imply. 20:44 He was not created, He was not generated. 20:47 He-- It's not an event along a timeline. 20:51 Thank you. 20:52 He was always, always 20:54 that He did not come after the Father. 20:56 He was always there. 20:57 So, here's the scripture I want to give you 20:59 for that was John 1:18 says, 21:02 "No one has seen God at any time. 21:05 But the only begotten Son 21:07 who is in the bosom of the Father, 21:10 He has declared Him. " Now, like you said. 21:13 This suggests the deepest intimacy, the deepest love. 21:16 Wow. 21:17 But it's also, there was an eternal union 21:21 between the Father. 21:24 There was continual fellowship between the Father and Christ. 21:27 So you said in eternal union. 21:30 So there never was a time when that union did not exist. 21:32 Exactly. 21:33 And that's what happens when you get 21:35 a little too hung up on this Father, Son thing. 21:37 You know, if you take that 21:38 literally to its ends agree well. 21:40 You got a Father. 21:41 Then you had to get a Son after. 21:42 So Father, Son is the best we can do 21:44 but it does not fully explain this divine relationship 21:48 which has always existed. 21:50 And He did not become the Son when he was given, 21:53 when He was born in Bethlehem. 21:55 Let me read one more scripture out, 21:57 because this is a point that I really want to make. 22:00 John 3:16, we can all quote that, 22:02 "For God so loved the world 22:03 that He gave his only begotten Son, 22:06 that whosoever should believe in him would not perish, 22:11 but have everlasting life." 22:12 Amen. 22:13 The great value of the gift of God 22:16 is recognized because Christ was His Son, 22:21 because Christ was God. 22:24 So the great gift 22:27 of the value of the gift God is that 22:32 God Himself came to die for us. 22:36 And, you know, I believe that they were so closely knit, 22:41 so closely intricately united 22:45 that when Christ was on the cross, 22:47 you know, sometimes people will say, 22:49 "Oh! Well, the Father turned his face." 22:51 I think when Christ was on the cross, 22:54 God suffered just as much as His son suffered. 22:56 Oh! Yes. Absolutely. 22:57 Absolutely. Very much so. Very much. 22:59 In our humanness, we think when your children are sick, 23:02 when something happens, you suffer along with them. 23:05 They may be having a fever 23:06 and you just feel so bad for them. 23:08 Again, our human, yes, right, 23:10 it's our humanness that God is speaking to us 23:12 so that we can understand the situation. 23:14 And I think it's very imperative that 23:16 we understand about that CA mentioned the nature. 23:20 You know, Christ was fully human, fully divine. 23:25 Think about that fully. That doesn't mean halfway. 23:28 That doesn't mean part. 23:30 You know just part, it simply means 23:32 He was fully human and fully divine. 23:34 And we can maybe illustrate it. 23:36 Other words both God and we talked God and man. 23:39 And if we deny the divinity, if we deny the humanity, 23:45 we're also going to find our self out of salvation. 23:50 Think about it. 23:51 Salvation is depending upon fully divine, fully human. 23:57 You see, because it takes maybe illustrated 24:00 such as wasn't it Jacob that saw 24:03 had that dream about the ladder? 24:05 You remember the ladder? And it reached where? 24:07 Heaven. Heaven and earth. 24:09 Earth humanity. Right? Divinity is heaven. 24:14 Now which one can we take away or substitute or tone down? 24:19 Divinity of Christ or humanity? We need them both. 24:21 You can't. 24:23 Okay, if it's a humanity, so I take that ladder 24:26 and I cut off the bottom part of it. 24:29 I've lost salvation. Yes. 24:31 If I say, "Okay, "I'm gonna say, 24:33 "He's fully human" but if I cut off the top of that ladder, 24:38 it doesn't reach to heaven. 24:40 So therefore salvation is in trouble again. 24:42 So it takes fully human, fully divine 24:46 in order for us to be what He would have us to be. 24:49 And that's, I mean, I'm thankful he says "in us," 24:51 he wants us, right? 24:53 Be partakers of that, what? 24:55 Divine nature. Think about that. 24:58 In fact, it had to be or He could not be tempted. 25:02 Is that Hebrews 4? 25:04 "In all things like we without sin," 25:07 and I had to pray for patience 25:10 because I have people sometime that will say, 25:13 "Well, I know Jesus here, and He lived the perfect life 25:16 and so and so but He had an edge." 25:19 What does that mean? What does that say? 25:21 He had an edge? 25:23 Other words, did He have something 25:25 or exercise something that you and I cannot have? 25:27 If He did, He is not my, He's not my substitute. 25:30 Let me add the scripture there that will prove 25:34 that He didn't have an edge. 25:35 And that's Hebrews 2:14. 25:37 Well, we're all-- 25:39 Is that you are as well? Hebrews 2:14. 25:41 "In as much as the children have partaken 25:44 of flesh and blood, he himself likewise shared 25:47 in the same that through death, He might destroy Him 25:51 who had the power of death. 25:52 That is the devil. 25:54 And release those who through the fear of death 25:56 for all their lives." 25:58 It goes on here, where is the part that says. 26:01 2: 17 Hebrews. It's 2: 17. 26:04 So He-- The likeness. 26:06 Yeah. Oh, there we are. I'm just. 26:07 This is a different Bible. I'll tell you and it's small. 26:10 "Therefore, in all things" I was right there. 26:11 Come on now. 26:13 "In all the things, he had to be made like his brethren 26:18 that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest 26:21 in things pertaining to God, 26:23 to make propitiation for the sins of the people." 26:26 Isn't that beautiful? 26:27 So he became like us in all things. 26:32 And in the Bible says that He was tempted. 26:35 Where is that? Hebrews 4:17 is that? 26:38 That he was-- 26:40 isn't it amazing when you've got a different Bible, 26:41 how you can't find anything. 26:43 Probably, right. Yeah, yeah. 26:45 I think it's around 14. 26:48 Anyway, he says in Hebrews 4, I know here it is. 26:52 Yeah, 14 and 15. Verse 15, I think 15. 26:56 14 and 15. 26:58 Okay. 27:00 Yes, verse 15, Hebrews 4:15 says, 27:02 "For we do not have a high priest 27:04 who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses. 27:07 But was in all points, all points tempted 27:12 as we are yet without sin." 27:14 He had no identity. 27:15 It says a number of things that particular text one 27:19 that the possibility of failure did exist. 27:21 Totally. 27:23 Because, because if there's no, if there's no temptation, 27:26 then there's no, you know, if there's, if-- 27:29 Another words if someone put something for you 27:31 that doesn't tempt you, 27:32 then there is no possibility or it doesn't do anything for you. 27:34 That's right. 27:35 But he took, he took the risk and sort of fleshing out 27:39 what you said kind of think it's so beautiful the fact that 27:41 one, man could not atone for his own sins. 27:45 That's right. 27:47 So Christ as man was not sufficient. 27:49 It took God to die for us. 27:51 So, but it also took man to live out that life. 27:56 So, you've got the two ends of that continuum. 27:59 God Man, Man God, Son of God, Son of Man. 28:03 He had to be God enough to save me from my sins. 28:06 He had to be man enough to be my example. 28:09 And of course, the Book of Hebrews 28:11 is written in short to say, 28:14 "Hey, don't go back to your old ways. 28:16 Jesus is the real deal." 28:18 Yes. He is the real deal. 28:19 There's no one else to look for. 28:21 No one else is coming. This is it. 28:23 And this is sufficient. And this is enough. 28:26 And that's why we see this over and over again. 28:28 It plays itself out again so many times 28:30 in the Book of Hebrews. 28:32 Look at Hebrews 13:5 and 6. 28:33 Things like that I can boldly say, 28:34 "God is my helper." 28:36 Oh, why because Christ sacrifice is sufficient. 28:38 It was sufficient for us, and the part of that sacrifice 28:41 lives itself out in us each and every day. 28:43 See, Christ had to meet sin at the very entrance of sin. 28:49 There's people today, who, who try to say again 28:52 that He, Jesus had an edge. 28:54 But remember it talk about in Galatians 4:4. 28:57 It talks about that 28:59 He was born of a what? Of a woman. 29:01 Woman. Okay. 29:03 So, you mention pastor 29:04 that he is subject to the risk and the liabilities 29:08 that he may never make it back to heaven. 29:11 And then what do we have? We have a substitute for that. 29:14 You think about it. 29:15 If we remove the real humanity as it were, you know, 29:20 try to disable that He had an edge on it. 29:23 Think of the teaching just going on today. 29:25 People say that Jesus naturally was born of whom? 29:30 Of Mary. 29:32 But Mary was not ordinary. 29:35 So therefore, it made her child not ordinary. 29:40 See that's a counterfeit there to say. 29:42 Well, she was not ordinary, so He was not ordinary, 29:45 so therefore He has an edge. 29:48 We know that's not what scriptures teach at all. 29:50 And the truth is just the opposite. 29:51 Mary was very ordinary. 29:52 Yes. Exactly. 29:54 The fact that Christ chose an ordinary person, 29:55 the fact that divinity could 29:57 come through the line of an ordinary person. 29:59 Amen. 30:01 Really gives the glory back to Jesus. 30:03 Not to Mary, who deserves no glory. 30:05 That's right. She was the tool. 30:07 She was the-- 30:09 I was gonna use a word but that won't be understood. 30:11 But she was the vessel... Yeah. 30:13 Through which, through which Christ came but, 30:15 but that gives her no "props'' in heaven. 30:18 No. She didn't get a leg-up. 30:20 She's got to come by the cross like every other person. 30:21 Scripture says "He was born, He was born of a woman." 30:25 Right then and right there at that point, at that time, 30:27 nothing special. 30:29 I have a dear friend she's probably watching right now. 30:31 Bless your heart. 30:32 And she grew up Catholic 30:35 and she has not yet joined the Adventist Church. 30:38 But she, what happened was a few years ago, 30:40 she really began studying her Bible 30:43 and began questioning. 30:45 She said, "Why do we make..." she asks her friends, 30:48 "Why do we make so much of Mary 30:49 when Mary's barely even mentioned in the Bible?" 30:53 And she's really become a student of the word. 30:56 But here's, here's the point that we have to 30:59 when we're talking about "Did Jesus have an edge?" 31:01 The only edge that Jesus may have had 31:05 is He understood the love of the Father. 31:07 That's the only edge because what He did when He humbled 31:11 himself to take on the flesh of mankind to become a man. 31:16 And, you know, what Kenneth Cox says, 31:18 that's like "If you think of there's humans, animals, 31:24 "Then he says, "Rodents or something and then insects." 31:27 He said, "It was like Christ." 31:29 You know, there is, there was God, there were angels, 31:32 and there was man and he said 31:33 it's just like him becoming an insect for us. 31:38 But the point is Christ fully while He was on earth, 31:44 He did not call on His divine powers. 31:47 No, no. 31:48 He fully relied on the Holy Spirit. 31:51 It was, He was guided by God. 31:53 And even though He, when you say 31:55 He didn't rely on His divine powers, 31:57 He did miracles. 31:58 But it was only as God directed because He said, 32:01 "What I see the Father do, this is what I do." 32:04 So it was only as God directed Him. 32:06 Precisely. 32:08 So but He still, He still had no edge other than what? 32:10 He went to scripture like we are told to do. 32:13 And He learned the will of His Father. 32:14 Amen. 32:16 Like we're supposed to do, He is my substitute, 32:18 full, entirety. 32:21 And so, I'm thankful the Bible is so clear on the issue, 32:23 we need not mistake about the cohesive nature of Christ. 32:27 And this, we're talking about this teaching about Mary. 32:29 I'm gonna read one passage 32:31 and I am sure you have other things. 32:32 Sure. 32:33 I've never heard people maybe use this one here, 32:36 but I want us to think about it if we will. 32:38 Because people who say, he had a different, you know, 32:42 nature than we have, notice what the Bible says 32:45 I got in 1 John 4:2 and 3 and so on. 32:48 It says, "Here by know ye that the spirit of God." 32:51 Talking about spirit of God. 32:52 "Every spirit that confesses, 32:53 that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh..." 32:56 Yes. Yes. 32:57 "Is of God," but we have the teaching. 32:59 It wasn't the human flesh He had an edge because of Mary 33:03 but notice, "Every spirit that confesses not 33:05 that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God." 33:10 That teaching is not of God. Amen. 33:11 And then this is that spirit notice of antichrist. 33:15 Yes. 33:17 "Where all of you have heard that it should come 33:18 and even now already is in the world." 33:20 So it kind of goes you're talking about 33:21 where this teaching came from, is a spirit of antichrist. 33:25 It's against Christ. 33:27 And so we need to be careful of that one 33:30 and never say He had an--- had an edge. 33:34 Not my Jesus, not my Lord, not my Savior. 33:36 And that's one of the testament prophet 33:38 or someone who comes representing God, 33:40 they've got to say "Christ has come with that." 33:41 Good. 33:43 You know, and Christ said this about ourselves, 33:44 we're looking in Luke 4:16 and Shelley you know, 33:45 you've got something coming up. 33:47 When Christ went into synagogue and He quoted from Isaiah. 33:50 And then He closed the book and said "Well this day... 33:54 that is fulfilled in your ears." 33:56 And around about verse 28, 29, they took him, 33:59 they want to throw Him off a cliff and kill Him. 34:01 Yes. You know. 34:02 Well, why did they want to kill Him? 34:03 Because they realized that Isaiah's prophetic words were 34:07 talking about God, and for Christ to say, 34:10 "This is fulfilled in your ears." 34:12 They knew He was saying in code, "I'm God. 34:16 Make it plain." Yes. 34:17 And they picked it up and of course, 34:18 they wanted to kill Him right then. 34:20 So He said it of himself, "I am God." 34:24 Yes, He did. 34:26 I mean, he says in John 8:58, He said to them, 34:31 "Before Abraham was I am." 34:34 Amen. 34:36 Or the "I am," this is Jehovah, I mean this is God 34:40 but He is saying, He is proclaiming 34:42 His eternal existence. 34:44 Then He says in John 10:30. 34:46 "I and my father are one," 34:49 and then He avowed the authority 34:53 to forgive sins which was only-- 34:55 That's a God thing. And that's a God thing only. 34:58 So that's Mark 2:10 and 11 where he says, 35:00 "But that you may know 35:01 that the Son of Man has power on earth 35:03 to forgive sins.' 35:04 He said to the paralytic. 35:06 I say to you arise, take up your bed, 35:09 and go to your house." 35:11 'Someone told me the other day Kenny, that's that, well, 35:14 Christ never came right out and admit it, 35:16 He was the Son of God. 35:18 Really. 35:19 And I said, turn to Luke 22:70 and 22:71. 35:23 Luke 22:70 and 71 says, 35:27 "Then they all said to him, 35:28 'Are you then the Son of God?' 35:31 So He said to them, 'You rightly say that I am.' 35:36 And they said 'What further testimony do we have need for 35:40 we have heard it ourselves from his own mouth.' 35:44 "They were ready to stone Him. Exactly. 35:47 They didn't get the opportunity to stone Him so eventually 35:51 they crucified Him. 35:53 Yeah. 35:54 But when you're thinking about, so He's fully God, 35:58 He claims He's fully God. 36:00 But when He came here, He relied on the Father's power, 36:04 He experienced all of the emotions that we experience 36:07 think of Him in the Garden of Gethsemane. 36:09 He was feeling depression, oppression. 36:13 I mean, He was so, 36:15 the weight of the sins of the world 36:17 was beginning to be set upon Him. 36:19 And He's sweating blood. 36:21 And He is at this point 36:23 with the loud vehement cries Hebrew says. 36:26 He's crying out to the Father and Lord, 36:30 "If it's possible, let this cup pass from Me." 36:33 He knew that He was about to be crucified. 36:36 He knew the pain, the humiliation. 36:39 He knew that He was going to be separated from His Father 36:42 because of sin. Oh, mercy, that was yes... 36:44 He felt the weight of the sins, and in his humanity. 36:49 Even though He knew this is the reason He came to earth, 36:52 this shows how human He was, it's like. 36:54 "Oh father if it's possible, let this pass." 36:57 And then Luke 22:42, He says, 37:00 "But not mine will yours be done." 37:04 He was always submissive to the Father. 37:06 You could not think of more clear effusion that defines 37:10 humanity than that particular. 37:11 You know we are if the Lord, I want this. 37:14 This is not... but not my will, thy will. 37:19 That and if we could all ascend to that. 37:23 Please, yes. 37:24 I don't want to do this, I don't want to go through this 37:26 but hey, I want to do your will, 37:28 I want to please you. 37:29 You know, we're talking about text that kind of affirm 37:32 John is it 49 were 49:10, 8, 9 were, 37:36 they just happen to show us the father and suffices us. 37:38 Yes 37:40 And, and in short is you're looking at it, 37:43 "If you've seen Me, you've seen the Father." 37:44 How that must have, I want to say broke His heart, 37:47 His human nature. 37:50 If you were with somebody all the time 37:51 and you're doing and you know, 37:52 may they ask you a question "Are you a Christian?" 37:54 After you've been with him for a month 37:55 or two months or ten years you know, three years. 37:59 How that must broke the heart of Jesus. 38:01 "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father." 38:04 Yeah. 38:05 And even God Himself testified of the deity of Jesus. 38:10 He even did that in Matthew 3 at the baptism. 38:12 Yes. 38:14 This is my beloved Son what? 38:16 He said in whom I am well pleased on the mount of 38:20 transfiguration what did he say? 38:22 There's a voice out of the clouds. 38:24 "This is my beloved Son." 38:26 Hebrews 1:8. 38:28 "God calls His Son God." Yes. 38:32 "God calls His Son God" 38:35 I mean these are heavy duty things 38:37 that we just can't throw out and say it doesn't matter. 38:39 It does matter. 38:41 It helps us to understand His nature and understand the love 38:44 that He has for us, and what He's trying to show us. 38:46 But, you know, something we think about Him being tempted 38:48 in every way that we were tempted. 38:50 Oh, mercy. Think of this. 38:51 The human nature and like you're saying, 38:53 He was rejected by his family, I mean, 38:55 they thought He was crazy. 38:56 You know His brothers didn't accept Him. 38:58 And then even His mother was outside thinking 39:00 He's lost His mind come on out, you know. 39:04 He was rejected by the religious leaders. 39:07 He was rejected by His own 39:09 that He came to save in so many ways. 39:11 Then He's got this group as you said, 39:13 that's with him for this time. 39:14 And what do they do? 39:16 They scatter after He's arrested 39:19 in the Garden of Gethsemane. 39:21 Peter who has just said, you know, 39:24 'cause Jesus kept telling him, "I'm going to suffer, 39:28 the Messiah must suffer." 39:29 You know, this is, and they expected a militant Messiah, 39:32 not a suffering Messiah. 39:34 And so here Peter has said, if you know, 39:40 when he said that he would die, Christ that He would die 39:43 and raise again in three days, 39:44 he kept telling them over and over, 39:47 didn't register with and he's like God, 39:49 Lord forbid you know 39:51 that Jesus have to go through this. 39:53 And then Peter follows Him at the distance. 39:56 He shows up at the trial, warming himself by the fire. 40:00 He rejects him three times as Jesus said he will. 40:03 So He's going through all of this rejection. 40:06 Think how He would have been tempted. 40:09 If I was God, 40:11 would I ever been tempted to just stand up and say, 40:14 "You don't think I'm God. 40:16 Let me show you something. 40:18 Let me call fire down from heaven. 40:19 Let me do this, that or the other." 40:21 Yeah. 40:23 He was tempted in all ways, and the final thing 40:26 when He was on the cross, think about this. 40:28 Here He's parched, you know, Isaiah said that 40:31 "He was marred beyond any other man." 40:33 Oh, they couldn't recognize Him. 40:35 Mercy. 40:37 He has, His flesh had been torn out. 40:38 He was, He was from this flogging, 40:41 He was dehydrated, His loss of blood. 40:46 His tongue is cleaving to the cleft of his mouth. 40:49 Then they offer Him vinegar and gall, 40:51 a combination that had a little wine in it 40:54 that He was surely tempted to take that 40:58 because His mouth was so dry. 41:01 He was tempted to take it because it could have, 41:05 it could have numbed His pain-- 41:06 Numbed the pain a little bit. 41:07 But He didn't. 41:09 But He didn't, why, because what He want? 41:10 He wanted a clear mind as part of the health message, 41:15 part is that would give to the world 41:17 is we need a clear mind. 41:18 And we take something in it to dull that 41:21 or that we can't make right choices and decisions. 41:23 See, He was tempted in every way 41:25 'cause there are people out there 41:27 who are tempted to overcome their pain 41:29 by some kind of something. 41:31 He was tempted in the same way 41:33 but He overcame that temptation. 41:36 He gives us the victory. 41:37 How much temptation would it be if you mention. 41:40 If you had the power like you mentioned 41:43 somebody causing you little grief over here. 41:44 You just put them aside real quick. 41:46 Yeah. Yeah. 41:47 He had that divinity, full divinity for he could have 41:49 called 10,000 angels, right? 41:52 He could have come down off it. 41:54 He could have done what He wanted to do. 41:56 Think about how that self control that He possessed 41:59 through the Holy Spirit, through the Father, 42:01 He had that because He could have done it, 42:03 but He didn't do it. 42:05 But He was relying on the Holy Spirit. 42:06 He was relying on the spirit of the living God. 42:08 And you have so few people in your ministry 42:10 understand and truly enter into what you're trying to do. 42:13 Even you know on a way to Emmaus after the cross, 42:17 because then we thought it was He was going to deliver. 42:20 You know, they just 42:21 and the disciples didn't get it. 42:23 You know, which is why of course, 42:24 they needed upper room experience 42:26 so they could kind of get in line 42:29 with what the Holy Spirit was trying to do. 42:31 But to have so few enter into an understanding, 42:35 even your buddies, your intimate group still don't 42:39 really have the understanding of what is going on, And so, 42:43 you know, I'm looking at this thing 42:45 and I'm in John 17 on the cross. 42:47 And Christ is saying, He's praying for Himself. 42:49 "And now, our father, glorify me together with yourself, 42:52 with the glory which I had with you before the world was." 42:56 So again, He's remembering a time when we were. 42:59 We were there, we were doing it and now here I am suffering so, 43:04 Lord, do this, help me be successful through all of this. 43:07 So through all of this, there is this dependent upon God, 43:10 the same dependence that not only we can have, 43:14 we must have if we were going to be successful 43:17 in this Christian life. 43:18 Let me throw this in because a lot of people don't know. 43:21 Lot of Christians don't realize that Christ is Creator. 43:26 You know, we just read in Hebrews 1:3 43:28 that it was through Christ 43:31 that God created the world through him. 43:35 John 1:1-3. 43:37 Well, I will just read verse 3 says, that, 43:40 "All things were made through him through Christ. 43:43 And without him nothing was made that was made." 43:47 Colossians 1:16 and 17 says. 43:50 "For by him all things were created, 43:52 that are in heaven and on earth, 43:55 visible and invisible whether thrones or dominions, 43:57 principalities or powers 43:59 all things were created through him and for him." 44:02 "And He is before all things and in him all things consist." 44:09 So here we've got-- Now, people will say, "Okay, 44:15 if He was creator why don't we see Him in the Old Testament?" 44:18 We do. 44:19 We do. 44:21 The angel of the Lord 44:23 in the Old Testament, Bible scholars, 44:26 almost all Bible scholars recognize the angel of the Lord 44:29 as the visible God of the Old Testament 44:32 in the person of Jesus Christ. 44:35 Appear to Moses at the burning bush. 44:37 He appeared to Hagar. 44:38 He appeared to Abraham, to Gideon and-- 44:43 He was leading Israel. 44:44 Yeah. The whole time. 44:45 He was distinct from the Father. 44:48 Yes. 44:49 But, the other thing is that after the incarnation, 44:53 the angel of the Lord never appears again. 44:56 So, the Bible scholars conclude 45:00 that the angel of the Lord is Christ. 45:04 And angel just means... Messenger. 45:06 Messenger, so the angel of the Lord was 45:10 the Messiah messenger if you will. 45:13 And, you know, Jesus said that He was Lord that He called 45:16 Himself Lord Savior, Christ, Son of God, Son of Man. 45:20 Yes. So, and we've got to hit. 45:23 You probably got one more but just before were over, 45:26 we've got to hit Daniel 7:13 and 14. 45:29 Oh, mercy. 45:30 You got to. Yes. 45:31 May I? Go head. Sure. 45:33 Okay, I'm on a roll. Yes. 45:34 You are on a roll. 45:36 When he called himself the Son of Man, 45:39 He was the one who united humanity and divinity forever. 45:44 And get this in your mind because the first time 45:47 I realized this, I was just blown away. 45:48 Wow! 45:50 What's the one thing that Jesus gave up forever? 45:54 He took, when He left earth, 45:56 He took this human flesh back with Him... 45:59 That's right. 46:00 To heaven, which means he gave up His omnipresence. 46:03 That's right. 46:04 Because He's now in a human body. 46:05 That's right. This is why He told in John 14. 46:09 This is why He told His followers 46:14 that it is better that I go away. 46:17 Because He couldn't be everywhere at all time. 46:20 And He says, "I will send Allos Parakletos, 46:22 another one who is just like me, exactly like me. 46:26 The Holy Spirit, because he'll be on you then. 46:29 But Christ limited Himself forever. 46:34 Yes, He did. 46:35 Because of us. 46:36 Yes. How amazing. 46:38 So here's the Son of Man and significantly, you know, 46:42 Christ is talking about how the Son of Man will return 46:46 on clouds with majestic glory, great power. 46:50 And God supplies the same emphasis on Christ's humanity 46:54 in Daniel 7:13 and 14. 46:57 And here's what it says. 46:58 "I was watching in the night visions and behold, 47:01 one like this Son of Man, 47:03 coming with the clouds of heaven, 47:04 He came..." 47:06 Okay, Son of Man Jesus. 47:08 "He came to the ancient of days..." 47:11 Referring to the father in this case. 47:13 "And they brought him near before him. 47:16 Then to him was given universal authorities essentially, 47:22 dominion and glory and a kingdom 47:23 that all peoples nations and languages should serve him. 47:27 His dominion is an everlasting dominion, 47:30 which shall not pass away. 47:31 And his kingdom is one that will not be destroyed." 47:34 Hallelujah. Amen. 47:35 Beautiful. Amen. 47:37 Yeah, Hallelujah. Hallelujah. 47:38 Who is the Son of Man? 47:39 The Son of Man is one who came to seek and save that 47:42 which is lost. 47:43 So you got this tie. 47:44 There are so many Old Testament, 47:46 New Testament includes, Moses at the bush, 47:48 who should I tell send me? 47:49 "I' am." 47:51 In the New Testament, who is He? 47:52 So if you go from old to new, old to new, old to new, 47:57 you see what started in the old 48:00 is finished or the exclamation point is put there in the new. 48:03 So the line is fairly easy to follow, 48:06 that we are talking about Jesus in the Old Testament 48:10 as the Shekinah, as the one at the bush, 48:13 as the one who is spoken of there in Daniel 48:16 and He is revealed there in the New-- 48:17 Wrestle with Jacob. 48:19 Precisely, wrestle with Jacob, yes, 48:21 and revealed in the New Testament 48:22 and He says it of Himself. 48:24 Yeah. 48:25 Was it not, was it not both as it were on the mount 48:27 as we really study and look at the original language. 48:30 And when the Ten Commandant law was giving, 48:33 not only was Jesus present, but God was present, 48:36 that would be some good study for somebody to get into. 48:39 Because I tell you, when they, when they land in on the top of 48:42 that mountain, it burned, I mean it was-- there was, 48:46 I mean it was purified before they came down and touched it. 48:50 I mean it was burnt, 48:51 and I think that's really good food for thought 48:54 because they were both together on it. 48:57 Because when we say God's law and what? 48:59 One would have to come, one would come and die, 49:02 because that law was broken. 49:04 Yeah. 49:05 You see and then you mentioned 49:06 the Holy Sprit would be sent you see. 49:09 I mean that's an awesome thought. 49:10 They are sewed together in everything. 49:12 Jesus has life, remember, 49:14 it is un-borrowed, isn't that right? 49:16 He said, quickly, He said-- our time is running out. 49:21 He said that, it was in John 5, it says, which was first, 49:27 was it here 26, 49:29 "For as the Father hath life in himself, 49:31 so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself." 49:36 And then in John 10:17, 18. 49:40 "Therefore doth my Father love me, 49:42 because I lay down my life, 49:44 that I might take it again. 49:46 No man taketh it from me, I lay it down myself. 49:52 I have power to lay it down, 49:54 and I have power to take it again." 49:57 I mean he is making it real clear right then, 49:59 there is no one can take it, I don't have to go to Calvary, 50:02 I don't have to die. 50:04 But because I love you so much, and I want you there with me, 50:07 and I want to share this with you, I'm willing. 50:09 So we use the terminology, "God sent His Son" but really, 50:14 the Son volunteered for the mission. 50:15 Absolutely. 50:16 You know, it wasn't, if he didn't go 50:18 kicking and screaming. 50:19 And one more quick point. 50:20 Pastor, I believe this, I believe 50:22 before Jesus came down. 50:24 He knew every aspect of His life here on earth, 50:29 every heartache, every disappointment, 50:31 what all He would have to go through, the suffering, 50:34 the pain, the sorrow, it's almost too much to talk about. 50:38 He knew that before He came, but what? 50:42 He was willing. His was willing. 50:43 He was still willing to come down for somebody like me, 50:47 that's amazing to me. 50:49 It is. Amazing. 50:50 So if you are wrapping this up, as I said, there are religions, 50:55 there are even Christians, 50:57 who don't accept perhaps Christ as the Son of God. 51:03 You know, they will say, "He was a good prophet. 51:05 Well, He fulfilled all the prophecies. 51:10 He fulfilled every prophecy, 51:13 and He claimed to be the Son of God, 51:15 He claimed to be God, 51:16 He claimed the prerogatives of God. 51:18 So you can't have it both ways, because if He is not God, 51:23 if He is not who he says He is, then He is a liar. 51:26 That's right. 51:27 And He could not be trusted. 51:28 So He can't be our savior, our salvation. 51:31 That's right. 51:33 And you can't believe that He is a prophet, 51:36 if He said these things and He is not. 51:39 So the point is you've got, you know, 51:41 and I know a lot of Muslims, 51:43 who are getting into the word of God studying 51:45 'cause very few of them actually studied the Quran, 51:47 now they are getting into the word of God, 51:49 and they are recognizing Christ as God. 51:51 Praise God. Amen. 51:53 Jesus said, "I' am the way, I' am the truth, 51:56 no man gets home without Me." 51:59 That's right. Got to come through Me. 52:01 And if that is not the truth, 52:03 then we are of all men most miserable and deceived. 52:07 I hear that. 52:08 We gonna go to our news break, 52:09 and couple of things we want to talk to you about, 52:11 then we'll come back, 52:12 put a little bow on this with some closing thoughts. |
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