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Mending broken people
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Heal a heart that hurts
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and
welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is CA Murray,
and allow me once again
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to thank you, for
sharing just a little
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of your no doubt
busy day with us.
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To thank you for your
love, your prayers, your support
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of Three Angels
Broadcasting Network.
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And a thank you for
joining us for what is another
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3ABN Today/Present
truth /Bible study program,
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because we want to
delve into the things of God.
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And on these
very special programs,
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we're looking at what
we call "Present truth."
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Truth for this age,
truth for this time,
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truth for our
church, truth for the world.
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Truth for those who are looking
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to have a saving
relationship with Jesus Christ.
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And so, welcome once again to,
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what we think is
gonna be just for us
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who study the word of God,
and who know the word of God,
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a fun program.
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We've already determined,
this gonna be a fun program.
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Amen. And indeed it will be.
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I have two
eminently qualified persons
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to discuss this with me today.
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And I say that not because
they carry so many degrees
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and that's not
what's important is that
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they spent their lives
studying the word of God.
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And degrees are unnecessary,
unimportant, and unimpressive
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when you're
studying the word of God
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because the Bible is
as simple or as complex
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as you wish it to be.
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It is as simple as
the most unlearn person
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who can just
barely read and write
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can find gold there.
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And the double PhD
or the Double Doctorate
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can find gold there
because it grows with you.
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And if your heart is right,
and if your mind is right,
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and if your soul is right,
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when you open the word of God,
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God has guaranteed
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that you will find
truth for this present time.
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So I say that to introduce
the lady, Shelley Quinn.
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Lovely to be here as always.
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And, Pastor Kenny Shelton.
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Thank you, good to be here.
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And two good
students of the word,
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and two people
that I personally like
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very, very much,
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who are fun
people, fun to be with,
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love God, love the word of God
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and are students
of the word of God.
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So grab your Bible now
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because today our
subject is going to be
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what the
theologians call Christology,
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the word about Christ,
the doctrine of Christ.
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What is Christ all about?
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And as we move into this,
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I know just last
night I just put pen down.
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Obviously, we will not be
able to exhaust this subject,
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we will admit that
from the very beginning,
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we won't even come close--
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And so I wrote
down a couple of ways
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that we could attack this thing.
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And maybe we could
do a bit of them all.
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We could talk about
what Isaiah had to say.
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Just, just the
prophecies concerning Christ,
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the kind of
servant Christ would be.
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Life of Christ,
from Luke 2:52 on here,
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"He grew in wisdom, strength
and in favor with God and man."
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We talk ministry of Christ,
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just a three and half
years of the ministry of Christ.
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We could talk about the
time before miracles of Christ,
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parables of Christ,
the sacrifice of Christ,
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the atonement of Christ.
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Christ on a cross,
Christ after cross.
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Pre 1844, post 1844,
relationship to the father,
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then the thing
that has really stumped
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and that
theologians have wrestled with
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for the past 2000
years, the nature of Christ.
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Yes.
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We could talk
about that from now on,
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because they've been dealing
with that for 2000 years,
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then the personality of Christ.
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Then the relationship
between God the Father,
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God the Son, and
God the Holy Spirit.
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So, there are so many ways,
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so many things that
you could talk about.
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We could take a
good dozen or so programs
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and still not exhaust
that doctrine of Christ.
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But we want to sort
of tackle that today
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because that is something
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that is close to our
hearts and close to us all.
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And so though we
prayed before our program,
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I think I will pray now,
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as we sort of
enter into our subject
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because of the
weightiness of the subject.
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And the
importance of the subject.
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And I'm gonna ask Shelley Quinn,
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if you would now
pray for us, Shelly,
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please at this point.
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Sure. I'd like to.
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Our loving heavenly Father,
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we come once again
in the name of Jesus.
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And father, our
prayer is that now as we look
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at Jesus Christ,
your only begotten son,
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that you would Lord guide
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by the power of your
Holy Spirit, guide our minds.
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We pray that you will,
Lord, just touch every ear
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that is
listening to this program.
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And we pray in the
name of Jesus, Father
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that you will
give usurious to hear
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what the Holy
Spirit would have to say.
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Lord may every word
that we say lift Christ high
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that He may draw
all men into himself.
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Thank you, Father
for this opportunity,
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thank You, Lord for
all who have joined us.
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We pray a special
blessing on their lives today,
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and we ask these things
thanking You for the answer
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to the prayer of
faith, in Jesus name.
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Amen. Amen.
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Amen.
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You know, Pastor
Kenny and Shelley,
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when the Adventist
Church was in its infancy,
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some of the church fathers
rejected the idea of Trinity.
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They didn't understand it.
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They thought it was something
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that was a
carryover from Catholicism
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and was rejected.
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They knew who
God the Father was.
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They knew who God the Son was.
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They knew the Holy Spirit.
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But linking them
together as Trinity,
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they thought it was
something that shouldn't be.
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And of course, we grew
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and we came into an
understanding of three
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co-equal personalities, persons.
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Though the Bible doesn't say,
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Trinity per se,
that's what it is.
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De facto
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and the biggest
question that has wrestled
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or that Christians have wrestled
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with down through the ages is...
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Was Christ God?
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Is Christ God?
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Is He a little lesser than God?
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Is there a time when He was not?
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Is He coexistent?
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Is He coeternal?
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And that is one
aspect and then of course,
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there is the aspect
of what He did for us.
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There is so much to talk about.
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Oh, wow.
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So, Shelley I think I'll
just let you sort of way in
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and will comment
on what you have,
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I want to dug up some
of my old school papers,
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and some stuff that I've written
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over the years and
my old Bible studies.
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There is so much
and I see you got,
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you're armed also.
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There is so much on this subject
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but, Shelley, you
begin if you will.
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I think that...
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The first thing
that we have to recognize
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is that many major religions
recognize Christ as a prophet.
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Whereas they do not say,
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the Jews, the
Muslims do not recognize Him
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as the Son of God.
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And for me the starting point,
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if we're going
to be talking about
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the only begotten Son
of God is Deuteronomy 6:4.
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So let me just,
just let me read that.
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Shema.
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In Deuteronomy 6:4,
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this is what the scripture says,
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"Hear, O Israel:
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The Lord our
God, the Lord is one."
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Now, in the Hebrew,
the translation of this is
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Yahweh our
Elohim, Yahweh is echad.
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Now that means
Jehovah, our self existent
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all powerful God,
creator is plural but one.
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So let's just look at this,
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Yahweh in and that of
course is the tetragrammaton,
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that the-- Isn't
that a large word?
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To me, it just
means a four letter word.
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Four letter word.
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Tetragrammaton.
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That's a huge word.
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But of course, the
Jews use without the vowels,
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they do have Y.H.W.H.
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which is Jehovah in English.
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And this is the
name that God announced
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to Moses at the burning bush.
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"I'm Yahweh."
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It is also the name
that is used in Genesis 1.
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The 1:1 when
Jesus, when God said,
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"I am, " or it
was Elohim, excuse me
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I'm, "I'm ahead of myself."
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So Yahweh means I am.
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It's the one who is
the self existent one.
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Now, Elohim means
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the all-powerful
creator and sustainer,
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Elohim is a
plural masculine noun.
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Very true.
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So in the very first
scripture of the Bible,
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the inspired word Genesis 1:1.
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When it says, "In the beginning,
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it was in the
beginning Elohim created,"
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this plural masculine noun.
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So, these words show us
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that there is the
presence of only one God.
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But that our
all-powerful creator
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is composed of
more than one unit.
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Because it goes on to say
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that Yahweh,
our Elohim is echad,
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and echad is the definition
of a union of several components
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into a single component.
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So, from the very
beginning of the Bible,
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and here when it is
saying "The Lord is one,"
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what the Bible is telling us
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is that God the
Father, the Son, and the Spirit
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are one in
purpose, thought and action.
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Yes.
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That they are
united to the point
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that there is absolutely
no room for a separate plan.
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Yeah.
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And that's, that's,
that's and that's countenance
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in the word echad, this idea of,
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of a several being
brought together into a one.
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Yes.
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And our minds are so
much in the same place,
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"Bereshit Elohim bara,"
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the very first was it
"Bereshit bara Elohim."
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I always get those two mixed.
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I think it's
"Bereshit Elohim bara,"
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in the beginning God.
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And of course, that
Elohim is a plural term
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that "IM" is the
"S" is the plural term.
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So, we're thinking the
same and it's, you know,
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we're going into a
place where after a while,
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you will scratch
your head and say,
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"Lord, I give up
and just accept it."
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Because there's only so
much a human mind can understand
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how you get three
out of one, one in three.
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How do you get these three
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co-exist and
co-equal personalities?
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There's only, and I think
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that would be one of the things,
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dear Shelley, that
we will be studying
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throughout the
ceaseless ages of eternity.
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Amen. How does that work?
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Because there's only,
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they say we use
what eight to ten percent
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sort of a whole lot of
brain that just not being used,
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that will help us
to understand this,
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this marvelous Trinity,
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Trinitarian idea
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of three co-existent, co-equal
personalities that are God.
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And of course, God or Elohim is,
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is not a personal
name, it's a title,
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it's more of an
office like, "Pastor,
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" because you've
got God the Father,
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God-- they're all God.
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So, God is not a personal name,
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it's a title, an office
that all three of them hold
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which makes them
co-equal and co-eternal.
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You know, there's one thing
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I want to say about that though.
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Even though they are co-equal,
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they're of one essence
and they are perfectly united.
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Still the Bible shows
us a chain of command.
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It does. It truly does.
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Because everything
that the Holy Spirit does
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is to bring
glory to Jesus Christ.
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Yeah.
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Everything that
Christ does is to bring
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glory to the Father.
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Yes.
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And then the Father turns around
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and gives them-
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And gives it back, yeah.
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All authority.
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I mean it's just, you
know, the humility of God.
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Yes.
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And when I say of God, we speak,
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we use the word trinity.
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The humility of the
trinity is outstanding.
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But I think that's because
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it's that
essence of divine love.
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Yes. Yes.
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And the idea of one in purpose.
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So, if we are truly
one, I have no problem...
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And, you know,
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we are limited to
the English language,
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which is so poor
when you're talking
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but I will allow you to shine
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because and you
send it right back to me,
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and I give it right back to you
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and that's, that's how we work
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because we are
one in everything.
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There's no
jealousy, there's no envy.
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There is
volitional subordination
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when it is necessary.
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Or when Christ says,
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"I give all
glory to His Father."
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Ellen White says,
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"Plainly Jehovah, is
the name given to Jesus.
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But He chooses now to
defer in certain things."
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And Holy Spirit says,
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"I don't come
to speak of myself.
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As you all said, I
come to give glory to God."
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Amen. A glory to Jesus.
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So, it's, first of all,
it's a good pattern for us,
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who serve the Lord,
and follow the Lord...
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Yes.
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That there is
this, this subordination
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because of love
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and because of
working in the same thing.
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It seems like at
least, or mostly in Adventism,
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we have a difficult
time saying Trinity.
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No matter where
I go all the years,
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there are those
who will come up,
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and they will say,
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"Well, I'll wait a minute here."
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Because maybe they have,
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they've defined
Trinitarian or Trinity
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a little differently.
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We look at it today,
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and what I have to say simplify,
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I say "The Godhead."
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So less confusion
for a lot of people
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because they look at the word
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and their thinking is different
than really what it is.
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Agreed, agreed.
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So we say, "Okay, with Godhead,"
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okay, that's the issue,
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that's something goes on and on.
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But as we look at it
today, you mentioned the offices
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all in one altogether.
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No one were doing
a thing any different
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than the other one would do.
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But like you say,
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"God's law for
instance, God's law was broken."
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Jesus in his
office came down here,
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lived the perfect
life, lived the law of God,
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made sacrifice.
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And then the
Holy Spirit was sent.
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Holy Spirit brings conviction.
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Each one separate
office be at one and the same.
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So, I look at John 5:39,
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you know, search the scriptures.
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Because what we're doing
today 'cause we want to find
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our people today
looking, need to find Jesus.
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"Search the scriptures,
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for in them ye think
ye have eternal life:
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and they are they
which, what, testify of me."
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So scripture
testifies of Jesus, and you say,
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"Yeah, but Jesus,
what did He come for?"
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John 5 it says, "He came
to do the will of His father.
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He came to finish the work."
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So that helped me I'm saying,
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"Praise God, when
we study about Jesus,
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that He came, He lived, He died,
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He set the
example, prep, you know,
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made the doors
open to heaven for us."
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But He came to do
the will of His Father,
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He came to show us
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who the Father
really is rather than--
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Don't we think
today that people have
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a mis-concept of
God and His character?
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Oh, absolutely.
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I think, I think that.
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I will say this that
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at the risk of
being misunderstood.
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I don't believe that
the relationship in heaven
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is Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
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I think, I think we are,
we are limited in our ability
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to track that, to explain that.
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So the best we
can do in English,
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or in, in human speech
is Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
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The relation is much
more intimate than that.
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But we have no
language to, to describe that.
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So the best we
can do is Father, Son,
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you know, you can't get
any better than that on earth.
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But it's closer than
that, it's tighter than that.
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It's more intimate than that.
It's more intricate than that.
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But for now, we've got
to deal with Father, Son
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'cause that's all we've got.
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Isn't that what
it means in scripture
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when it says that
the only begotten Son.
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The word begotten really is
means, "Intimate relationship."
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And I thought
about from the bosom,
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I've heard they say it all time.
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We used to run around in
school and do different things,
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and sometimes
you had little buddy.
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And every time you've seen
one, you've seen the other,
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what they say,
"Booze and buddies,"
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that's humanly speaking.
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Yeah.
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But with
relationship, it is an intimate,
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it's one on one as it were,
they're just so tied together,
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they're inseparable.
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Absolutely.
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And that to me that's
the begotten part of it.
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Can we, can we hit
that for just a minute?
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Because this is where
many people, even Christians,
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it's not just
necessarily Muslims or Jews.
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But some Christians will
say, "Well, he was begotten."
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You were correct, that
begotten is very intimate.
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But I'd like to just hit
a few scriptures on that.
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And let's look at that.
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In John 1:14, I'm going to read
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from the
American Standard Version,
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John 1:14 because that's
closest to the original Greek.
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And what it says in John 1:14,
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it says this, "And
the word became flesh."
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And it's of course, in
the beginning was the word,
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the word was with
God, the word was God.
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And so John 1:14
says, "The word became flesh
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and dwelt among us
and we beheld His glory,
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glory as of the only
begotten from the Father."
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Not of the father,
but from the father.
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"Full of grace and
truth. Christ was sent."
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He is the sole
representative of God on earth,
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before the spirit came.
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And He came to
present the character of God.
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That's what I
like about Hebrews 1:3
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is it says that-- let
me just read that to you
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because that is such
an amazing scripture.
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Hebrews 1:3...
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I'll start with verse 1,
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"God who at various
times and in various ways
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spoke in the time passed to
the Fathers by the prophets.
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Has, in these last
days, spoken to us by His Son
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whom He has
appointed heir of all things
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through whom also
He made the world."
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So there's a lot of
scripture in the New Testament
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to show us that
Christ was creator.
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"Who is speaking of
Christ," in verse 3.
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"Being the
brightness of his Glory,
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and the express
image of his person,
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he was the affluence of God...
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is upholding all things
by the word of his power."
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So, Christ is the only
one who possesses every--
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A, He possessed
every attribute of God,
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He was fully God.
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Now, Colossians 2:9 says that
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"In him dwells all the
fullness of the Godhead bodily."
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Christ completely, I mean,
these are, if you could clone,
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if you want to use that
word, everything that Jesus
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was and is, is
what the Father was is.
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The exact nature of God.
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The exact
nature, exact everything.
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Not just the outward as it
were appearances what we think.
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You noticed how you
struggled for language.
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Absolutely.
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Because, because
human language is so,
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is so limited to
describe a divine concept.
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So, we do the best we
can with what we have.
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But God took on human flesh
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and we beheld
Him as Jesus Christ.
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And that's about
the best you can do
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with something that,
that we will spend eternity
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trying to study.
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And of course, we have
spent the last 2000 plus years
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dealing with it,
the nature of Christ.
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You know, we
could go to Acts NIV
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and all that kind
of stuff which would
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make it much too complex.
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But the best we can do
was that God, God chose
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to take on human
flesh, fully God, fully man
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and coming to dwell with us.
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And that, and the incarnation
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is another hour of
worth of, you know, of subject
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that we could, that
we could wrestle with.
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But the one thing
that I want to point out is
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"begotten," many people think
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"begotten"
means, "To be born of,"
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because the word
begotten was used as an only,
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you know, an only child.
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But in this sense,
it's suggesting as you said,
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a very intimate relationship.
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Yes.
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But it does not
imply the big, necessarily,
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the beginning of his Sonship
I mean, it does not imply.
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He was not created,
He was not generated.
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He-- It's not an
event along a timeline.
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Thank you.
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He was always, always
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that He did not
come after the Father.
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He was always there.
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So, here's the
scripture I want to give you
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for that was John 1:18 says,
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"No one has
seen God at any time.
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But the only begotten Son
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who is in the
bosom of the Father,
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He has declared Him.
" Now, like you said.
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This suggests the deepest
intimacy, the deepest love.
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Wow.
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But it's also,
there was an eternal union
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between the Father.
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There was continual fellowship
between the Father and Christ.
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So you said in eternal union.
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So there never was a time
when that union did not exist.
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Exactly.
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And that's what
happens when you get
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a little too hung up
on this Father, Son thing.
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You know, if you take that
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literally to
its ends agree well.
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You got a Father.
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Then you had to get a Son after.
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So Father, Son is
the best we can do
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but it does not fully
explain this divine relationship
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which has always existed.
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And He did not become
the Son when he was given,
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when He was born in Bethlehem.
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Let me read one
more scripture out,
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because this is a point
that I really want to make.
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John 3:16, we
can all quote that,
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"For God so loved the world
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that He gave his
only begotten Son,
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that whosoever should
believe in him would not perish,
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but have everlasting life."
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Amen.
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The great value
of the gift of God
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is recognized
because Christ was His Son,
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because Christ was God.
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So the great gift
00:22:24.51\00:22:27.21
of the value of
the gift God is that
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God Himself came to die for us.
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And, you know, I believe
that they were so closely knit,
00:22:36.89\00:22:41.39
so closely intricately united
00:22:41.42\00:22:45.46
that when Christ
was on the cross,
00:22:45.49\00:22:47.63
you know,
sometimes people will say,
00:22:47.66\00:22:49.00
"Oh! Well, the
Father turned his face."
00:22:49.03\00:22:51.70
I think when
Christ was on the cross,
00:22:51.73\00:22:53.97
God suffered just as
much as His son suffered.
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Oh! Yes. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. Very
much so. Very much.
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In our humanness, we think
when your children are sick,
00:22:59.64\00:23:02.31
when something happens,
you suffer along with them.
00:23:02.34\00:23:05.51
They may be having a fever
00:23:05.55\00:23:06.88
and you just
feel so bad for them.
00:23:06.92\00:23:08.72
Again, our human, yes, right,
00:23:08.75\00:23:10.39
it's our humanness
that God is speaking to us
00:23:10.42\00:23:12.52
so that we can
understand the situation.
00:23:12.55\00:23:14.86
And I think it's
very imperative that
00:23:14.89\00:23:16.56
we understand about
that CA mentioned the nature.
00:23:16.59\00:23:20.50
You know, Christ was
fully human, fully divine.
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Think about that fully.
That doesn't mean halfway.
00:23:25.57\00:23:28.84
That doesn't mean part.
00:23:28.87\00:23:30.24
You know just
part, it simply means
00:23:30.27\00:23:32.01
He was fully
human and fully divine.
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And we can maybe illustrate it.
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Other words both God
and we talked God and man.
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And if we deny the divinity,
if we deny the humanity,
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we're also going to find
our self out of salvation.
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Think about it.
00:23:50.43\00:23:51.76
Salvation is depending
upon fully divine, fully human.
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You see, because it
takes maybe illustrated
00:23:57.43\00:24:00.14
such as wasn't it Jacob that saw
00:24:00.17\00:24:03.77
had that dream about the ladder?
00:24:03.81\00:24:05.17
You remember the
ladder? And it reached where?
00:24:05.21\00:24:07.64
Heaven. Heaven and earth.
00:24:07.68\00:24:09.24
Earth humanity.
Right? Divinity is heaven.
00:24:09.28\00:24:14.68
Now which one can we take
away or substitute or tone down?
00:24:14.72\00:24:19.79
Divinity of Christ or
humanity? We need them both.
00:24:19.82\00:24:21.89
You can't.
00:24:21.92\00:24:23.26
Okay, if it's a
humanity, so I take that ladder
00:24:23.29\00:24:26.56
and I cut off the
bottom part of it.
00:24:26.59\00:24:29.56
I've lost salvation. Yes.
00:24:29.60\00:24:31.53
If I say, "Okay, "I'm gonna say,
00:24:31.57\00:24:33.23
"He's fully human" but if I
cut off the top of that ladder,
00:24:33.27\00:24:38.14
it doesn't reach to heaven.
00:24:38.17\00:24:40.68
So therefore
salvation is in trouble again.
00:24:40.71\00:24:42.74
So it takes fully
human, fully divine
00:24:42.78\00:24:46.28
in order for us to be
what He would have us to be.
00:24:46.31\00:24:49.38
And that's, I mean, I'm
thankful he says "in us,"
00:24:49.42\00:24:51.72
he wants us, right?
00:24:51.75\00:24:53.09
Be partakers of that, what?
00:24:53.12\00:24:55.29
Divine nature. Think about that.
00:24:55.32\00:24:58.09
In fact, it had to be
or He could not be tempted.
00:24:58.13\00:25:02.93
Is that Hebrews 4?
00:25:02.96\00:25:04.30
"In all things
like we without sin,"
00:25:04.33\00:25:07.67
and I had to pray for patience
00:25:07.70\00:25:10.44
because I have people
sometime that will say,
00:25:10.47\00:25:13.88
"Well, I know Jesus here,
and He lived the perfect life
00:25:13.91\00:25:16.88
and so and so
but He had an edge."
00:25:16.91\00:25:19.71
What does that
mean? What does that say?
00:25:19.75\00:25:21.85
He had an edge?
00:25:21.88\00:25:23.69
Other words, did
He have something
00:25:23.72\00:25:25.05
or exercise something
that you and I cannot have?
00:25:25.09\00:25:27.49
If He did, He is not
my, He's not my substitute.
00:25:27.52\00:25:30.89
Let me add the
scripture there that will prove
00:25:30.93\00:25:34.03
that He didn't have an edge.
00:25:34.06\00:25:35.40
And that's Hebrews 2:14.
00:25:35.43\00:25:37.67
Well, we're all--
00:25:37.70\00:25:39.30
Is that you are as
well? Hebrews 2:14.
00:25:39.33\00:25:41.50
"In as much as the
children have partaken
00:25:41.54\00:25:44.47
of flesh and blood, he
himself likewise shared
00:25:44.51\00:25:47.74
in the same that through
death, He might destroy Him
00:25:47.78\00:25:51.35
who had the power of death.
00:25:51.38\00:25:52.81
That is the devil.
00:25:52.85\00:25:54.18
And release those who
through the fear of death
00:25:54.22\00:25:56.89
for all their lives."
00:25:56.92\00:25:58.75
It goes on here,
where is the part that says.
00:25:58.79\00:26:01.92
2: 17 Hebrews. It's 2: 17.
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So He-- The likeness.
00:26:04.59\00:26:06.16
Yeah. Oh, there
we are. I'm just.
00:26:06.19\00:26:07.83
This is a different Bible.
I'll tell you and it's small.
00:26:07.86\00:26:10.00
"Therefore, in all
things" I was right there.
00:26:10.03\00:26:11.80
Come on now.
00:26:11.83\00:26:13.17
"In all the things, he had
to be made like his brethren
00:26:13.20\00:26:18.57
that he might be a merciful
and faithful high priest
00:26:18.61\00:26:21.94
in things pertaining to God,
00:26:21.98\00:26:23.78
to make propitiation
for the sins of the people."
00:26:23.81\00:26:26.25
Isn't that beautiful?
00:26:26.28\00:26:27.62
So he became
like us in all things.
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And in the Bible
says that He was tempted.
00:26:32.59\00:26:35.46
Where is that?
Hebrews 4:17 is that?
00:26:35.49\00:26:38.33
That he was--
00:26:38.36\00:26:39.96
isn't it amazing when
you've got a different Bible,
00:26:40.00\00:26:41.93
how you can't find anything.
00:26:41.96\00:26:43.50
Probably, right. Yeah, yeah.
00:26:43.53\00:26:45.60
I think it's around 14.
00:26:45.63\00:26:48.47
Anyway, he says in
Hebrews 4, I know here it is.
00:26:48.50\00:26:52.57
Yeah, 14 and 15.
Verse 15, I think 15.
00:26:52.61\00:26:56.21
14 and 15.
00:26:56.24\00:26:58.65
Okay.
00:26:58.68\00:27:00.02
Yes, verse 15,
Hebrews 4:15 says,
00:27:00.05\00:27:02.45
"For we do not
have a high priest
00:27:02.48\00:27:04.65
who cannot
sympathize with our weaknesses.
00:27:04.69\00:27:07.66
But was in all
points, all points tempted
00:27:07.69\00:27:12.09
as we are yet without sin."
00:27:12.13\00:27:14.56
He had no identity.
00:27:14.60\00:27:15.93
It says a number of
things that particular text one
00:27:15.96\00:27:19.03
that the possibility
of failure did exist.
00:27:19.07\00:27:21.94
Totally.
00:27:21.97\00:27:23.30
Because, because if there's
no, if there's no temptation,
00:27:23.34\00:27:26.74
then there's no, you
know, if there's, if--
00:27:26.78\00:27:29.34
Another words if
someone put something for you
00:27:29.38\00:27:31.31
that doesn't tempt you,
00:27:31.35\00:27:32.68
then there is no possibility or
it doesn't do anything for you.
00:27:32.71\00:27:34.32
That's right.
00:27:34.35\00:27:35.68
But he took, he took the
risk and sort of fleshing out
00:27:35.72\00:27:39.72
what you said kind of think
it's so beautiful the fact that
00:27:39.75\00:27:41.96
one, man could not
atone for his own sins.
00:27:41.99\00:27:45.63
That's right.
00:27:45.66\00:27:47.00
So Christ as man
was not sufficient.
00:27:47.03\00:27:49.26
It took God to die for us.
00:27:49.30\00:27:51.87
So, but it also took
man to live out that life.
00:27:51.90\00:27:56.60
So, you've got the two
ends of that continuum.
00:27:56.64\00:27:59.87
God Man, Man God,
Son of God, Son of Man.
00:27:59.91\00:28:03.35
He had to be God enough
to save me from my sins.
00:28:03.38\00:28:06.72
He had to be man
enough to be my example.
00:28:06.75\00:28:09.68
And of course,
the Book of Hebrews
00:28:09.72\00:28:11.32
is written in short to say,
00:28:11.35\00:28:14.09
"Hey, don't go
back to your old ways.
00:28:14.12\00:28:16.22
Jesus is the real deal."
00:28:16.26\00:28:18.49
Yes. He is the real deal.
00:28:18.53\00:28:19.89
There's no one else to look for.
00:28:19.93\00:28:21.30
No one else is
coming. This is it.
00:28:21.33\00:28:23.37
And this is
sufficient. And this is enough.
00:28:23.40\00:28:25.97
And that's why we see
this over and over again.
00:28:26.00\00:28:28.64
It plays itself
out again so many times
00:28:28.67\00:28:30.81
in the Book of Hebrews.
00:28:30.84\00:28:32.17
Look at Hebrews 13:5 and 6.
00:28:32.21\00:28:33.54
Things like that
I can boldly say,
00:28:33.58\00:28:34.91
"God is my helper."
00:28:34.94\00:28:36.28
Oh, why because Christ
sacrifice is sufficient.
00:28:36.31\00:28:38.61
It was sufficient for us,
and the part of that sacrifice
00:28:38.65\00:28:41.88
lives itself out in
us each and every day.
00:28:41.92\00:28:43.59
See, Christ had to meet sin
at the very entrance of sin.
00:28:43.62\00:28:48.99
There's people today,
who, who try to say again
00:28:49.02\00:28:52.49
that He, Jesus had an edge.
00:28:52.53\00:28:54.60
But remember it talk
about in Galatians 4:4.
00:28:54.63\00:28:57.73
It talks about that
00:28:57.77\00:28:59.10
He was born of a
what? Of a woman.
00:28:59.13\00:29:01.77
Woman. Okay.
00:29:01.80\00:29:03.14
So, you mention pastor
00:29:03.17\00:29:04.51
that he is subject to
the risk and the liabilities
00:29:04.54\00:29:08.74
that he may never
make it back to heaven.
00:29:08.78\00:29:11.95
And then what do we have?
We have a substitute for that.
00:29:11.98\00:29:14.45
You think about it.
00:29:14.48\00:29:15.82
If we remove the real
humanity as it were, you know,
00:29:15.85\00:29:20.82
try to disable that
He had an edge on it.
00:29:20.86\00:29:23.86
Think of the
teaching just going on today.
00:29:23.89\00:29:25.96
People say that Jesus
naturally was born of whom?
00:29:25.99\00:29:30.73
Of Mary.
00:29:30.77\00:29:32.10
But Mary was not ordinary.
00:29:32.13\00:29:35.80
So therefore, it made
her child not ordinary.
00:29:35.84\00:29:40.38
See that's a
counterfeit there to say.
00:29:40.41\00:29:42.14
Well, she was not ordinary,
so He was not ordinary,
00:29:42.18\00:29:45.48
so therefore He has an edge.
00:29:45.51\00:29:48.12
We know that's not what
scriptures teach at all.
00:29:48.15\00:29:50.12
And the truth is
just the opposite.
00:29:50.15\00:29:51.49
Mary was very ordinary.
00:29:51.52\00:29:52.85
Yes. Exactly.
00:29:52.89\00:29:54.22
The fact that Christ
chose an ordinary person,
00:29:54.26\00:29:55.59
the fact that divinity could
00:29:55.62\00:29:57.56
come through the line
of an ordinary person.
00:29:57.59\00:29:59.83
Amen.
00:29:59.86\00:30:01.26
Really gives the
glory back to Jesus.
00:30:01.30\00:30:03.83
Not to Mary, who
deserves no glory.
00:30:03.87\00:30:05.20
That's right. She was the tool.
00:30:05.23\00:30:07.17
She was the--
00:30:07.20\00:30:09.04
I was gonna use a word
but that won't be understood.
00:30:09.07\00:30:11.17
But she was the vessel... Yeah.
00:30:11.21\00:30:13.88
Through which,
through which Christ came but,
00:30:13.91\00:30:15.74
but that gives her
no "props'' in heaven.
00:30:15.78\00:30:18.18
No. She didn't get a leg-up.
00:30:18.21\00:30:20.08
She's got to come by the
cross like every other person.
00:30:20.12\00:30:21.45
Scripture says "He was
born, He was born of a woman."
00:30:21.48\00:30:25.32
Right then and right there
at that point, at that time,
00:30:25.35\00:30:27.72
nothing special.
00:30:27.76\00:30:29.09
I have a dear friend she's
probably watching right now.
00:30:29.12\00:30:31.29
Bless your heart.
00:30:31.33\00:30:32.66
And she grew up Catholic
00:30:32.69\00:30:35.36
and she has not yet
joined the Adventist Church.
00:30:35.40\00:30:38.40
But she, what
happened was a few years ago,
00:30:38.43\00:30:40.57
she really began
studying her Bible
00:30:40.60\00:30:43.24
and began questioning.
00:30:43.27\00:30:45.61
She said, "Why do we
make..." she asks her friends,
00:30:45.64\00:30:48.21
"Why do we make so much of Mary
00:30:48.24\00:30:49.91
when Mary's barely even
mentioned in the Bible?"
00:30:49.94\00:30:53.78
And she's really
become a student of the word.
00:30:53.82\00:30:56.32
But here's, here's
the point that we have to
00:30:56.35\00:30:58.99
when we're talking about
"Did Jesus have an edge?"
00:30:59.02\00:31:01.92
The only edge
that Jesus may have had
00:31:01.96\00:31:05.03
is He understood
the love of the Father.
00:31:05.06\00:31:07.83
That's the only edge because
what He did when He humbled
00:31:07.86\00:31:11.20
himself to take on the flesh
of mankind to become a man.
00:31:11.23\00:31:16.77
And, you know,
what Kenneth Cox says,
00:31:16.81\00:31:18.17
that's like "If you think
of there's humans, animals,
00:31:18.21\00:31:24.55
"Then he says, "Rodents or
something and then insects."
00:31:24.58\00:31:27.55
He said, "It was like Christ."
00:31:27.58\00:31:29.85
You know, there is, there
was God, there were angels,
00:31:29.88\00:31:32.45
and there was man and he said
00:31:32.49\00:31:33.82
it's just like him
becoming an insect for us.
00:31:33.86\00:31:38.66
But the point is Christ
fully while He was on earth,
00:31:38.69\00:31:44.73
He did not call
on His divine powers.
00:31:44.77\00:31:47.30
No, no.
00:31:47.34\00:31:48.67
He fully relied
on the Holy Spirit.
00:31:48.70\00:31:51.41
It was, He was guided by God.
00:31:51.44\00:31:53.91
And even though He, when you say
00:31:53.94\00:31:55.71
He didn't rely on
His divine powers,
00:31:55.74\00:31:57.41
He did miracles.
00:31:57.45\00:31:58.78
But it was only as God
directed because He said,
00:31:58.81\00:32:01.72
"What I see the Father
do, this is what I do."
00:32:01.75\00:32:04.42
So it was only
as God directed Him.
00:32:04.45\00:32:06.72
Precisely.
00:32:06.76\00:32:08.09
So but He still, He still
had no edge other than what?
00:32:08.12\00:32:10.86
He went to scripture
like we are told to do.
00:32:10.89\00:32:13.06
And He learned the
will of His Father.
00:32:13.09\00:32:14.76
Amen.
00:32:14.80\00:32:16.13
Like we're supposed to
do, He is my substitute,
00:32:16.16\00:32:18.93
full, entirety.
00:32:18.97\00:32:20.97
And so, I'm thankful the
Bible is so clear on the issue,
00:32:21.00\00:32:23.17
we need not mistake about
the cohesive nature of Christ.
00:32:23.20\00:32:27.21
And this, we're talking
about this teaching about Mary.
00:32:27.24\00:32:29.84
I'm gonna read one passage
00:32:29.88\00:32:31.21
and I am sure you
have other things.
00:32:31.25\00:32:32.58
Sure.
00:32:32.61\00:32:33.95
I've never heard people
maybe use this one here,
00:32:33.98\00:32:36.08
but I want us to
think about it if we will.
00:32:36.12\00:32:38.72
Because people who say,
he had a different, you know,
00:32:38.75\00:32:42.86
nature than we have,
notice what the Bible says
00:32:42.89\00:32:45.19
I got in 1 John
4:2 and 3 and so on.
00:32:45.23\00:32:48.56
It says, "Here by know
ye that the spirit of God."
00:32:48.60\00:32:51.13
Talking about spirit of God.
00:32:51.17\00:32:52.50
"Every spirit that confesses,
00:32:52.53\00:32:53.87
that Jesus Christ
has come in the flesh..."
00:32:53.90\00:32:56.07
Yes. Yes.
00:32:56.10\00:32:57.44
"Is of God," but
we have the teaching.
00:32:57.47\00:32:59.14
It wasn't the human flesh
He had an edge because of Mary
00:32:59.17\00:33:03.41
but notice, "Every
spirit that confesses not
00:33:03.45\00:33:05.88
that Jesus Christ has come
in the flesh is not of God."
00:33:05.91\00:33:10.29
That teaching is
not of God. Amen.
00:33:10.32\00:33:11.95
And then this is that
spirit notice of antichrist.
00:33:11.99\00:33:15.62
Yes.
00:33:15.66\00:33:16.99
"Where all of you have
heard that it should come
00:33:17.03\00:33:18.59
and even now
already is in the world."
00:33:18.63\00:33:20.43
So it kind of goes
you're talking about
00:33:20.46\00:33:21.86
where this teaching came
from, is a spirit of antichrist.
00:33:21.90\00:33:25.27
It's against Christ.
00:33:25.30\00:33:27.10
And so we need to
be careful of that one
00:33:27.14\00:33:30.01
and never say He
had an--- had an edge.
00:33:30.04\00:33:34.28
Not my Jesus, not
my Lord, not my Savior.
00:33:34.31\00:33:36.91
And that's one of
the testament prophet
00:33:36.95\00:33:38.28
or someone who
comes representing God,
00:33:38.31\00:33:40.18
they've got to say
"Christ has come with that."
00:33:40.22\00:33:41.62
Good.
00:33:41.65\00:33:42.98
You know, and Christ
said this about ourselves,
00:33:43.02\00:33:44.35
we're looking in Luke
4:16 and Shelley you know,
00:33:44.39\00:33:45.72
you've got something coming up.
00:33:45.75\00:33:47.09
When Christ went into synagogue
and He quoted from Isaiah.
00:33:47.12\00:33:50.83
And then He closed the
book and said "Well this day...
00:33:50.86\00:33:54.30
that is fulfilled in your ears."
00:33:54.33\00:33:56.43
And around about
verse 28, 29, they took him,
00:33:56.46\00:33:59.33
they want to throw Him
off a cliff and kill Him.
00:33:59.37\00:34:01.20
Yes. You know.
00:34:01.24\00:34:02.57
Well, why did
they want to kill Him?
00:34:02.60\00:34:03.94
Because they realized that
Isaiah's prophetic words were
00:34:03.97\00:34:07.74
talking about God,
and for Christ to say,
00:34:07.78\00:34:10.58
"This is
fulfilled in your ears."
00:34:10.61\00:34:12.38
They knew He was
saying in code, "I'm God.
00:34:12.41\00:34:16.12
Make it plain." Yes.
00:34:16.15\00:34:17.49
And they picked
it up and of course,
00:34:17.52\00:34:18.85
they wanted to
kill Him right then.
00:34:18.89\00:34:20.82
So He said it of
himself, "I am God."
00:34:20.86\00:34:24.66
Yes, He did.
00:34:24.69\00:34:26.80
I mean, he says in
John 8:58, He said to them,
00:34:26.83\00:34:31.70
"Before Abraham was I am."
00:34:31.73\00:34:34.67
Amen.
00:34:34.70\00:34:36.04
Or the "I am," this is
Jehovah, I mean this is God
00:34:36.07\00:34:39.97
but He is
saying, He is proclaiming
00:34:40.01\00:34:42.38
His eternal existence.
00:34:42.41\00:34:44.38
Then He says in John 10:30.
00:34:44.41\00:34:46.88
"I and my father are one,"
00:34:46.92\00:34:49.55
and then He avowed the authority
00:34:49.58\00:34:53.02
to forgive sins which was only--
00:34:53.05\00:34:55.62
That's a God thing. And
that's a God thing only.
00:34:55.66\00:34:57.99
So that's Mark 2:10
and 11 where he says,
00:34:58.03\00:35:00.30
"But that you may know
00:35:00.33\00:35:01.86
that the Son of
Man has power on earth
00:35:01.90\00:35:03.26
to forgive sins.'
00:35:03.30\00:35:04.63
He said to the paralytic.
00:35:04.67\00:35:06.23
I say to you
arise, take up your bed,
00:35:06.27\00:35:09.60
and go to your house."
00:35:09.64\00:35:11.31
'Someone told me the other
day Kenny, that's that, well,
00:35:11.34\00:35:14.28
Christ never came
right out and admit it,
00:35:14.31\00:35:16.71
He was the Son of God.
00:35:16.75\00:35:18.08
Really.
00:35:18.11\00:35:19.45
And I said, turn to
Luke 22:70 and 22:71.
00:35:19.48\00:35:23.28
Luke 22:70 and 71 says,
00:35:23.32\00:35:26.99
"Then they all said to him,
00:35:27.02\00:35:28.79
'Are you then the Son of God?'
00:35:28.82\00:35:31.16
So He said to them,
'You rightly say that I am.'
00:35:31.19\00:35:36.70
And they said 'What further
testimony do we have need for
00:35:36.73\00:35:40.47
we have heard it
ourselves from his own mouth.'
00:35:40.50\00:35:44.67
"They were ready
to stone Him. Exactly.
00:35:44.71\00:35:47.04
They didn't get the opportunity
to stone Him so eventually
00:35:47.08\00:35:51.38
they crucified Him.
00:35:51.41\00:35:53.08
Yeah.
00:35:53.11\00:35:54.45
But when you're thinking
about, so He's fully God,
00:35:54.48\00:35:58.05
He claims He's fully God.
00:35:58.09\00:36:00.36
But when He came here, He
relied on the Father's power,
00:36:00.39\00:36:04.03
He experienced all of the
emotions that we experience
00:36:04.06\00:36:07.13
think of Him in the
Garden of Gethsemane.
00:36:07.16\00:36:09.80
He was feeling
depression, oppression.
00:36:09.83\00:36:13.30
I mean, He was so,
00:36:13.34\00:36:15.17
the weight of
the sins of the world
00:36:15.20\00:36:17.07
was beginning
to be set upon Him.
00:36:17.11\00:36:19.91
And He's sweating blood.
00:36:19.94\00:36:21.94
And He is at this point
00:36:21.98\00:36:23.31
with the loud
vehement cries Hebrew says.
00:36:23.35\00:36:26.55
He's crying out to
the Father and Lord,
00:36:26.58\00:36:30.59
"If it's possible, let
this cup pass from Me."
00:36:30.62\00:36:33.86
He knew that He was
about to be crucified.
00:36:33.89\00:36:36.49
He knew the
pain, the humiliation.
00:36:36.52\00:36:39.56
He knew that He was going
to be separated from His Father
00:36:39.59\00:36:42.43
because of sin. Oh,
mercy, that was yes...
00:36:42.46\00:36:44.13
He felt the weight of the
sins, and in his humanity.
00:36:44.17\00:36:49.37
Even though He knew this is
the reason He came to earth,
00:36:49.40\00:36:52.21
this shows how
human He was, it's like.
00:36:52.24\00:36:54.24
"Oh father if it's
possible, let this pass."
00:36:54.28\00:36:57.51
And then Luke 22:42, He says,
00:36:57.55\00:37:00.75
"But not mine
will yours be done."
00:37:00.78\00:37:04.49
He was always
submissive to the Father.
00:37:04.52\00:37:06.79
You could not think of
more clear effusion that defines
00:37:06.82\00:37:10.13
humanity than that particular.
00:37:10.16\00:37:11.79
You know we are if
the Lord, I want this.
00:37:11.83\00:37:14.60
This is not... but
not my will, thy will.
00:37:14.63\00:37:19.77
That and if we
could all ascend to that.
00:37:19.80\00:37:23.27
Please, yes.
00:37:23.30\00:37:24.64
I don't want to do this, I
don't want to go through this
00:37:24.67\00:37:26.47
but hey, I want to do your will,
00:37:26.51\00:37:28.14
I want to please you.
00:37:28.18\00:37:29.51
You know, we're talking
about text that kind of affirm
00:37:29.54\00:37:32.58
John is it 49
were 49:10, 8, 9 were,
00:37:32.61\00:37:36.79
they just happen to show
us the father and suffices us.
00:37:36.82\00:37:38.62
Yes
00:37:38.65\00:37:39.99
And, and in short is
you're looking at it,
00:37:40.02\00:37:43.16
"If you've seen Me,
you've seen the Father."
00:37:43.19\00:37:44.83
How that must have, I
want to say broke His heart,
00:37:44.86\00:37:47.50
His human nature.
00:37:47.53\00:37:50.07
If you were with
somebody all the time
00:37:50.10\00:37:51.53
and you're doing and you know,
00:37:51.57\00:37:52.93
may they ask you a
question "Are you a Christian?"
00:37:52.97\00:37:54.50
After you've been
with him for a month
00:37:54.54\00:37:55.94
or two months or ten
years you know, three years.
00:37:55.97\00:37:58.97
How that must
broke the heart of Jesus.
00:37:59.01\00:38:01.11
"If you have seen me,
you have seen the Father."
00:38:01.14\00:38:04.15
Yeah.
00:38:04.18\00:38:05.51
And even God Himself
testified of the deity of Jesus.
00:38:05.55\00:38:10.39
He even did that in
Matthew 3 at the baptism.
00:38:10.42\00:38:12.82
Yes.
00:38:12.85\00:38:14.19
This is my beloved Son what?
00:38:14.22\00:38:16.22
He said in whom I am
well pleased on the mount of
00:38:16.26\00:38:20.30
transfiguration what did he say?
00:38:20.33\00:38:22.20
There's a voice
out of the clouds.
00:38:22.23\00:38:23.97
"This is my beloved Son."
00:38:24.00\00:38:26.60
Hebrews 1:8.
00:38:26.63\00:38:28.00
"God calls His Son God." Yes.
00:38:28.04\00:38:32.04
"God calls His Son God"
00:38:32.07\00:38:35.44
I mean these are
heavy duty things
00:38:35.48\00:38:37.05
that we just can't throw
out and say it doesn't matter.
00:38:37.08\00:38:39.38
It does matter.
00:38:39.41\00:38:41.18
It helps us to understand His
nature and understand the love
00:38:41.22\00:38:43.99
that He has for us, and
what He's trying to show us.
00:38:44.02\00:38:46.76
But, you know, something we
think about Him being tempted
00:38:46.79\00:38:48.62
in every way
that we were tempted.
00:38:48.66\00:38:49.99
Oh, mercy. Think of this.
00:38:50.03\00:38:51.36
The human nature
and like you're saying,
00:38:51.39\00:38:53.13
He was rejected by
his family, I mean,
00:38:53.16\00:38:55.43
they thought He was crazy.
00:38:55.46\00:38:56.87
You know His
brothers didn't accept Him.
00:38:56.90\00:38:58.57
And then even His
mother was outside thinking
00:38:58.60\00:39:00.34
He's lost His mind
come on out, you know.
00:39:00.37\00:39:04.44
He was rejected by
the religious leaders.
00:39:04.47\00:39:07.08
He was rejected by His own
00:39:07.11\00:39:09.08
that He came to
save in so many ways.
00:39:09.11\00:39:11.35
Then He's got
this group as you said,
00:39:11.38\00:39:13.31
that's with him for this time.
00:39:13.35\00:39:14.88
And what do they do?
00:39:14.92\00:39:16.58
They scatter after He's arrested
00:39:16.62\00:39:19.35
in the Garden of Gethsemane.
00:39:19.39\00:39:21.76
Peter who has
just said, you know,
00:39:21.79\00:39:24.83
'cause Jesus kept telling
him, "I'm going to suffer,
00:39:24.86\00:39:28.26
the Messiah must suffer."
00:39:28.30\00:39:29.63
You know, this is, and they
expected a militant Messiah,
00:39:29.66\00:39:32.90
not a suffering Messiah.
00:39:32.93\00:39:34.74
And so here Peter
has said, if you know,
00:39:34.77\00:39:40.31
when he said that he would
die, Christ that He would die
00:39:40.34\00:39:43.24
and raise again in three days,
00:39:43.28\00:39:44.65
he kept telling
them over and over,
00:39:44.68\00:39:47.05
didn't register
with and he's like God,
00:39:47.08\00:39:49.85
Lord forbid you know
00:39:49.88\00:39:51.22
that Jesus have
to go through this.
00:39:51.25\00:39:53.22
And then Peter
follows Him at the distance.
00:39:53.25\00:39:56.26
He shows up at the trial,
warming himself by the fire.
00:39:56.29\00:40:00.20
He rejects him three
times as Jesus said he will.
00:40:00.23\00:40:03.70
So He's going through
all of this rejection.
00:40:03.73\00:40:06.53
Think how He
would have been tempted.
00:40:06.57\00:40:09.07
If I was God,
00:40:09.10\00:40:11.14
would I ever been tempted
to just stand up and say,
00:40:11.17\00:40:14.94
"You don't think I'm God.
00:40:14.98\00:40:16.58
Let me show you something.
00:40:16.61\00:40:18.11
Let me call fire
down from heaven.
00:40:18.15\00:40:19.91
Let me do this,
that or the other."
00:40:19.95\00:40:21.72
Yeah.
00:40:21.75\00:40:23.08
He was tempted in all
ways, and the final thing
00:40:23.12\00:40:26.22
when He was on the
cross, think about this.
00:40:26.25\00:40:28.82
Here He's parched,
you know, Isaiah said that
00:40:28.86\00:40:31.69
"He was marred
beyond any other man."
00:40:31.73\00:40:33.90
Oh, they couldn't recognize Him.
00:40:33.93\00:40:35.73
Mercy.
00:40:35.76\00:40:37.10
He has, His flesh
had been torn out.
00:40:37.13\00:40:38.57
He was, He was
from this flogging,
00:40:38.60\00:40:41.84
He was
dehydrated, His loss of blood.
00:40:41.87\00:40:46.11
His tongue is cleaving
to the cleft of his mouth.
00:40:46.14\00:40:49.64
Then they offer
Him vinegar and gall,
00:40:49.68\00:40:51.95
a combination that
had a little wine in it
00:40:51.98\00:40:54.58
that He was surely
tempted to take that
00:40:54.62\00:40:58.85
because His mouth was so dry.
00:40:58.89\00:41:01.42
He was tempted to take
it because it could have,
00:41:01.46\00:41:05.16
it could have numbed His pain--
00:41:05.19\00:41:06.53
Numbed the pain a little bit.
00:41:06.56\00:41:07.90
But He didn't.
00:41:07.93\00:41:09.33
But He didn't, why,
because what He want?
00:41:09.36\00:41:10.70
He wanted a clear mind as
part of the health message,
00:41:10.73\00:41:15.60
part is that
would give to the world
00:41:15.64\00:41:17.34
is we need a clear mind.
00:41:17.37\00:41:18.74
And we take
something in it to dull that
00:41:18.77\00:41:21.41
or that we can't make
right choices and decisions.
00:41:21.44\00:41:23.58
See, He was tempted in every way
00:41:23.61\00:41:25.68
'cause there
are people out there
00:41:25.71\00:41:27.05
who are tempted to
overcome their pain
00:41:27.08\00:41:29.65
by some kind of something.
00:41:29.68\00:41:31.85
He was tempted in the same way
00:41:31.89\00:41:33.52
but He overcame that temptation.
00:41:33.56\00:41:36.26
He gives us the victory.
00:41:36.29\00:41:37.63
How much temptation
would it be if you mention.
00:41:37.66\00:41:40.26
If you had the
power like you mentioned
00:41:40.30\00:41:43.10
somebody causing you
little grief over here.
00:41:43.13\00:41:44.93
You just put
them aside real quick.
00:41:44.97\00:41:46.30
Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:46.33\00:41:47.67
He had that divinity,
full divinity for he could have
00:41:47.70\00:41:49.90
called 10,000 angels, right?
00:41:49.94\00:41:52.74
He could have come down off it.
00:41:52.77\00:41:54.11
He could have done
what He wanted to do.
00:41:54.14\00:41:56.18
Think about how that
self control that He possessed
00:41:56.21\00:41:59.28
through the Holy
Spirit, through the Father,
00:41:59.31\00:42:01.88
He had that because
He could have done it,
00:42:01.92\00:42:03.82
but He didn't do it.
00:42:03.85\00:42:05.19
But He was relying
on the Holy Spirit.
00:42:05.22\00:42:06.55
He was relying on the
spirit of the living God.
00:42:06.59\00:42:08.46
And you have so few
people in your ministry
00:42:08.49\00:42:10.63
understand and truly enter
into what you're trying to do.
00:42:10.66\00:42:13.50
Even you know on a way
to Emmaus after the cross,
00:42:13.53\00:42:17.73
because then we thought it
was He was going to deliver.
00:42:17.77\00:42:20.07
You know, they just
00:42:20.10\00:42:21.44
and the disciples didn't get it.
00:42:21.47\00:42:23.41
You know, which
is why of course,
00:42:23.44\00:42:24.81
they needed
upper room experience
00:42:24.84\00:42:26.47
so they could
kind of get in line
00:42:26.51\00:42:29.08
with what the Holy
Spirit was trying to do.
00:42:29.11\00:42:31.65
But to have so few
enter into an understanding,
00:42:31.68\00:42:35.35
even your buddies, your
intimate group still don't
00:42:35.38\00:42:39.09
really have the understanding
of what is going on, And so,
00:42:39.12\00:42:43.63
you know, I'm
looking at this thing
00:42:43.66\00:42:44.99
and I'm in John 17 on the cross.
00:42:45.03\00:42:47.40
And Christ is saying,
He's praying for Himself.
00:42:47.43\00:42:49.23
"And now, our father, glorify
me together with yourself,
00:42:49.26\00:42:52.33
with the glory which I had
with you before the world was."
00:42:52.37\00:42:56.10
So again, He's
remembering a time when we were.
00:42:56.14\00:42:59.11
We were there, we were doing it
and now here I am suffering so,
00:42:59.14\00:43:04.01
Lord, do this, help me be
successful through all of this.
00:43:04.05\00:43:07.32
So through all of this, there
is this dependent upon God,
00:43:07.35\00:43:10.35
the same dependence
that not only we can have,
00:43:10.39\00:43:14.39
we must have if we
were going to be successful
00:43:14.42\00:43:17.39
in this Christian life.
00:43:17.43\00:43:18.76
Let me throw this in because
a lot of people don't know.
00:43:18.79\00:43:21.06
Lot of Christians don't
realize that Christ is Creator.
00:43:21.10\00:43:26.37
You know, we just
read in Hebrews 1:3
00:43:26.40\00:43:28.94
that it was through Christ
00:43:28.97\00:43:31.24
that God created
the world through him.
00:43:31.27\00:43:34.98
John 1:1-3.
00:43:35.01\00:43:37.91
Well, I will just
read verse 3 says, that,
00:43:37.95\00:43:40.38
"All things were made
through him through Christ.
00:43:40.42\00:43:43.69
And without him nothing
was made that was made."
00:43:43.72\00:43:47.92
Colossians 1:16 and 17 says.
00:43:47.96\00:43:50.79
"For by him all
things were created,
00:43:50.83\00:43:52.76
that are in heaven and on earth,
00:43:52.79\00:43:55.53
visible and invisible
whether thrones or dominions,
00:43:55.56\00:43:57.93
principalities or powers
00:43:57.97\00:43:59.67
all things were created
through him and for him."
00:43:59.70\00:44:02.94
"And He is before all things
and in him all things consist."
00:44:02.97\00:44:09.81
So here we've got--
Now, people will say, "Okay,
00:44:09.84\00:44:14.98
if He was creator why don't we
see Him in the Old Testament?"
00:44:15.02\00:44:18.45
We do.
00:44:18.49\00:44:19.89
We do.
00:44:19.92\00:44:21.66
The angel of the Lord
00:44:21.69\00:44:23.73
in the Old
Testament, Bible scholars,
00:44:23.76\00:44:26.39
almost all Bible scholars
recognize the angel of the Lord
00:44:26.43\00:44:29.53
as the visible God
of the Old Testament
00:44:29.56\00:44:32.90
in the person of Jesus Christ.
00:44:32.93\00:44:35.17
Appear to Moses
at the burning bush.
00:44:35.20\00:44:37.24
He appeared to Hagar.
00:44:37.27\00:44:38.61
He appeared to
Abraham, to Gideon and--
00:44:38.64\00:44:43.18
He was leading Israel.
00:44:43.21\00:44:44.55
Yeah. The whole time.
00:44:44.58\00:44:45.91
He was distinct from the Father.
00:44:45.95\00:44:48.58
Yes.
00:44:48.62\00:44:49.95
But, the other thing is
that after the incarnation,
00:44:49.98\00:44:53.39
the angel of the
Lord never appears again.
00:44:53.42\00:44:56.83
So, the Bible scholars conclude
00:44:56.86\00:45:00.63
that the angel of
the Lord is Christ.
00:45:00.66\00:45:03.97
And angel just
means... Messenger.
00:45:04.00\00:45:06.43
Messenger, so the
angel of the Lord was
00:45:06.47\00:45:10.14
the Messiah
messenger if you will.
00:45:10.17\00:45:13.11
And, you know, Jesus said
that He was Lord that He called
00:45:13.14\00:45:16.01
Himself Lord Savior,
Christ, Son of God, Son of Man.
00:45:16.04\00:45:19.98
Yes. So, and we've got to hit.
00:45:20.02\00:45:23.75
You probably got one more
but just before were over,
00:45:23.79\00:45:26.25
we've got to hit
Daniel 7:13 and 14.
00:45:26.29\00:45:29.16
Oh, mercy.
00:45:29.19\00:45:30.53
You got to. Yes.
00:45:30.56\00:45:31.89
May I? Go head. Sure.
00:45:31.93\00:45:33.26
Okay, I'm on a roll. Yes.
00:45:33.29\00:45:34.63
You are on a roll.
00:45:34.66\00:45:36.00
When he called
himself the Son of Man,
00:45:36.03\00:45:39.43
He was the one who united
humanity and divinity forever.
00:45:39.47\00:45:44.71
And get this in your
mind because the first time
00:45:44.74\00:45:46.98
I realized this, I
was just blown away.
00:45:47.01\00:45:48.91
Wow!
00:45:48.94\00:45:50.28
What's the one thing
that Jesus gave up forever?
00:45:50.31\00:45:54.48
He took, when He left earth,
00:45:54.52\00:45:56.92
He took this human
flesh back with Him...
00:45:56.95\00:45:59.29
That's right.
00:45:59.32\00:46:00.66
To heaven, which means
he gave up His omnipresence.
00:46:00.69\00:46:02.99
That's right.
00:46:03.02\00:46:04.36
Because He's
now in a human body.
00:46:04.39\00:46:05.73
That's right. This is
why He told in John 14.
00:46:05.76\00:46:09.46
This is why He
told His followers
00:46:09.50\00:46:14.57
that it is
better that I go away.
00:46:14.60\00:46:17.61
Because He couldn't be
everywhere at all time.
00:46:17.64\00:46:20.04
And He says, "I will
send Allos Parakletos,
00:46:20.08\00:46:22.68
another one who is just
like me, exactly like me.
00:46:22.71\00:46:26.01
The Holy Spirit,
because he'll be on you then.
00:46:26.05\00:46:29.92
But Christ
limited Himself forever.
00:46:29.95\00:46:33.99
Yes, He did.
00:46:34.02\00:46:35.36
Because of us.
00:46:35.39\00:46:36.73
Yes. How amazing.
00:46:36.76\00:46:38.09
So here's the Son of Man
and significantly, you know,
00:46:38.13\00:46:42.56
Christ is talking about
how the Son of Man will return
00:46:42.60\00:46:46.33
on clouds with
majestic glory, great power.
00:46:46.37\00:46:50.44
And God supplies the same
emphasis on Christ's humanity
00:46:50.47\00:46:54.24
in Daniel 7:13 and 14.
00:46:54.28\00:46:57.18
And here's what it says.
00:46:57.21\00:46:58.81
"I was watching in the
night visions and behold,
00:46:58.85\00:47:01.58
one like this Son of Man,
00:47:01.62\00:47:03.15
coming with the
clouds of heaven,
00:47:03.18\00:47:04.92
He came..."
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Okay, Son of Man Jesus.
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"He came to the
ancient of days..."
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Referring to the
father in this case.
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"And they brought
him near before him.
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Then to him was given universal
authorities essentially,
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dominion and glory and a kingdom
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that all peoples nations
and languages should serve him.
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His dominion is an
everlasting dominion,
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which shall not pass away.
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And his kingdom is one
that will not be destroyed."
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Hallelujah. Amen.
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Beautiful. Amen.
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Yeah, Hallelujah. Hallelujah.
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Who is the Son of Man?
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The Son of Man is one who
came to seek and save that
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which is lost.
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So you got this tie.
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There are so many Old Testament,
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New Testament
includes, Moses at the bush,
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who should I tell send me?
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"I' am."
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In the New Testament, who is He?
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So if you go from old to
new, old to new, old to new,
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you see what started in the old
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is finished or the exclamation
point is put there in the new.
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So the line is
fairly easy to follow,
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that we are talking about
Jesus in the Old Testament
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as the Shekinah, as
the one at the bush,
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as the one who is
spoken of there in Daniel
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and He is
revealed there in the New--
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Wrestle with Jacob.
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Precisely,
wrestle with Jacob, yes,
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and revealed in
the New Testament
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and He says it of Himself.
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Yeah.
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Was it not, was it not
both as it were on the mount
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as we really study and
look at the original language.
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And when the Ten
Commandant law was giving,
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not only was Jesus
present, but God was present,
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that would be some good
study for somebody to get into.
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Because I tell you, when they,
when they land in on the top of
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that mountain, it burned,
I mean it was-- there was,
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I mean it was purified before
they came down and touched it.
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I mean it was burnt,
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and I think that's
really good food for thought
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because they were
both together on it.
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Because when we
say God's law and what?
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One would have to
come, one would come and die,
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because that law was broken.
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Yeah.
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You see and then you mentioned
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the Holy Sprit
would be sent you see.
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I mean that's
an awesome thought.
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They are sewed
together in everything.
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Jesus has life, remember,
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it is
un-borrowed, isn't that right?
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He said, quickly, He
said-- our time is running out.
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He said that, it was in John
5, it says, which was first,
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was it here 26,
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"For as the Father
hath life in himself,
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so hath he given to the
Son to have life in himself."
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And then in John 10:17, 18.
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"Therefore doth
my Father love me,
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because I lay down my life,
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that I might take it again.
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No man taketh it from
me, I lay it down myself.
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I have power to lay it down,
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and I have power
to take it again."
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I mean he is making
it real clear right then,
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there is no one can take it,
I don't have to go to Calvary,
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I don't have to die.
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But because I love you so much,
and I want you there with me,
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and I want to share
this with you, I'm willing.
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So we use the terminology,
"God sent His Son" but really,
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the Son
volunteered for the mission.
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Absolutely.
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You know, it
wasn't, if he didn't go
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kicking and screaming.
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And one more quick point.
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Pastor, I
believe this, I believe
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before Jesus came down.
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He knew every aspect
of His life here on earth,
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every heartache,
every disappointment,
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what all He would have to
go through, the suffering,
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the pain, the sorrow, it's
almost too much to talk about.
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He knew that
before He came, but what?
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He was willing. His was willing.
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He was still willing to
come down for somebody like me,
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that's amazing to me.
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It is. Amazing.
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So if you are wrapping this up,
as I said, there are religions,
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there are even Christians,
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who don't accept perhaps
Christ as the Son of God.
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You know, they will
say, "He was a good prophet.
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Well, He fulfilled
all the prophecies.
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He fulfilled every prophecy,
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and He claimed to
be the Son of God,
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He claimed to be God,
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He claimed the
prerogatives of God.
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So you can't have it both
ways, because if He is not God,
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if He is not who he says
He is, then He is a liar.
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That's right.
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And He could not be trusted.
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So He can't be our
savior, our salvation.
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That's right.
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And you can't
believe that He is a prophet,
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if He said these
things and He is not.
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So the point is
you've got, you know,
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and I know a lot of Muslims,
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who are getting into
the word of God studying
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'cause very few of them
actually studied the Quran,
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now they are getting
into the word of God,
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and they are
recognizing Christ as God.
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Praise God. Amen.
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Jesus said, "I' am
the way, I' am the truth,
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no man gets home without Me."
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That's right. Got
to come through Me.
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And if that is not the truth,
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then we are of all men
most miserable and deceived.
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I hear that.
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We gonna go to our news break,
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and couple of things we
want to talk to you about,
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then we'll come back,
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put a little bow on this
with some closing thoughts.
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