I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people.
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Hello, and welcome
again to 3ABN Today.
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We're so glad that
you are taking this time
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to share with us.
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And we want to thank you so much
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for your continued prayer,
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your continued love and
support of this ministry.
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You know, without you
there would be no 3ABN.
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And I know that the
Lord raised this ministry up
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as a great
evangelistic tool in his hands
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to reach the world,
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with the truth of the
Three Angels' messages,
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present truth for Today.
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I'm glad you're
joining us today,
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we have some special guests.
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And I want to go ahead
and introduce them right away
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before I read this scripture
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because I've got a
special friend here,
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Jan Latsha.
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Jan, you have been
to 3ABN numerous times,
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since the first of 2000, say.
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Yeah.
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And your project is
called or your ministry
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is the Maasai
Development Project.
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When did you
begin that ministry?
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It began in,
actually in the early '90s.
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Just developing
friendships with Maasai
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when we were living--
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my family was living in Nairobi.
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And I was lucky
enough not to be on a,
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pay scale or sorry.
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So I could kind
of do what I wanted,
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and the Lord just led
me into doing, working,
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and I had a desire in my heart
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that I don't know
where it came from
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other than the
Lord put it there,
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but when I found out
we were moving to Kenya,
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I had a desire to
know about the Maasai and--
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but I never told anybody
that, you know, the Bible says
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that the Lord knows
the desires of our hearts.
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And over the next few years,
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He developed this
whole ministry working
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with Maasai.
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Oh, that is so exciting
and I can't wait for you
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to share your
story with our audience
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because it's an
incredible ministry.
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We just love when you
come back to give us updates.
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But this time you have
brought with you someone
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that I've yet to meet.
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I've met several
people in your ministry
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but this is Terri Yoshida.
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Terri, you are
a registered nurse
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and you are the
executive secretary
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for the Maasai Development.
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Is that correct?
Hm-mm, that's correct.
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And how long have you been...?
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You don't have to tell
us your whole story yet,
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but how long have you been
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with Maasai Development Project?
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Probably just a
little over a year.
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Okay. Well, we're gonna
come back in just a moment.
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We're going to find
out the stories behind this
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but first before
we even go to a song,
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I wanted to share
a scripture with you.
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Usually I come out
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and I kind of have
in my mind a scripture
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that we'd like
to share with you.
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This time I asked Jan,
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"Is there anything
particular on your heart?"
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And what she
gave me was Isaiah 11
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and let me read verse 6.
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Verse 6 through 9 of Isaiah
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is telling about
the Messiah's return
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and that when he returns
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He's going to
usher in universal peace,
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there's going to be
just, it's going to be
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like the Garden of
Eden was meant to be.
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It's going to be perfect.
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And so here's
what Isaiah 11:6 says,
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it says, "The wolf also
shall dwell with the lamb,
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the leopard shall lie
down with the young goat,
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the calf and the young
lion and the fatling together;
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and a little
child shall lead them."
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Can you imagine when we look at
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what's going on
in our world today
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with all the terrorists
attacks, with the wars,
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with the murders,
things that are, you know
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just seems that men's
consciences have waxed cold.
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But when Jesus returns
this is what He promises.
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And it's going
to be so exciting.
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Well, right now we are
going to listen to a song
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from our own Pastor C.A. Murray,
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who is the general manager
also for our Proclaim Network.
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And C.A. is going to
sing for us "Jesus Lifts Me".
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He lifts my burdens
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Whenever I'm down
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He gives me joy
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When I'm wearing a frown
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He is my hope
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In the midst of despair
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And He, He is my comfort
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For He's always there
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So I sing
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Not because I feel like singing
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And I praise Him
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Though the end I may not see
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For whenever
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I lift the name of Jesus
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Jesus reaches down
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And He lifts me
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He gives the music
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That makes my heart glad
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He whispers peace
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Whenever I am sad
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He is the sunshine
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That brightens my day
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And He is the lighthouse
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To show me the way
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So I sing
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Not because I feel like singing
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And I praise Him
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Though the end I may not see
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For whenever
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I lift the name of Jesus
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Jesus reaches down
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And He lifts me
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So I sing
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Not because I feel like singing
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And I praise Him
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Though the end I may not see
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For whenever
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I lift the name of Jesus
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Jesus reaches down
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Turns me around
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And He plants my
feet on a higher ground
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He reaches down
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And He lifts me.
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And we thank C.A.
for that beautiful song.
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If you are joining
us just a little late,
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let me once again
introduce our special guest.
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Today we are
interviewing the ladies
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of 'The Maasai
Development Project'
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which is an incredible project.
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I'm sure you've heard
of the Maasai, it usually--
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what this conjures up.
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If you saw Out of
Africa or any of these movies,
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you think of these warriors
who are running along with,
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you know, for great distances
with their shields spears.
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And sometimes I remember
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when I talk to people about you,
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they'll cry, "She is so brave!"
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At this hour, special
guest, we have Jan Latsha,
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who is the founder and director
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for The Maasai
Development Project
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and then we have Terri Yoshida,
who is the executive secretary.
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And you girls are
both from Washington?
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I am. You are
from Washington, Terri?
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Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Okay.
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Tell me, before
we actually get off
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into what the
ministry is all about,
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Jan, just give us a nutshell.
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Did you grow up in a
Christian environment,
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how did the Lord
get your attention
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to have this
personal relationship?
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I grew up in an Adventist home.
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My father was a
teacher in our academies.
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And, then I left
the church for a while.
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And when I began to
come back, I decided,
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by the time I was
gonna have children,
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I was married
and having children,
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I decided it was time.
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And I started studying,
but I was getting nothing.
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And so one day I
just told the Lord,
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"If You want me to stay
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and if You want a
relationship with me,
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You're gonna have to
show me something today
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or it's over
with, I give it up."
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And that day I opened
up the Book Desire of Ages.
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And I began to
read and for three hours
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I could not lay the book down
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because alls I
could see was Jesus.
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And I just--
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The tears were just
rolling down my face
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as I read and saw
Jesus for the first time.
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So though I grew up knowing Him
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and I always
had a bent for that,
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but it wasn't
until then that I knew
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that I wanted to
commit my life to Him.
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Praise God.
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So you knew about Him growing up
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but you actually met
Him due to this experience.
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Praise God. I met Him, yes.
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And, Terri, how about you?
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Did you grow up in an
Adventist Christian home?
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I did, I did.
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I grew up hearing
about the missionaries
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and from the time
I was six years old,
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I wanted to be a
missionary nurse.
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Really.
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Yeah, so...
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So, now, when did it become
personal for you with Christ?
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At a very young age,
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I've always had a
close love of God, of Jesus.
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Wonderful.
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And didn't have an
opportunity till later
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to be able to
actually go on a mission trip.
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And so, actually going with Jan
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on the Maasai Development
Project a few years ago,
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just fell in love.
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Praise God.
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And we're gonna
get to hear little more
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about that story
in just a moment.
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Tell us a little,
Jan, about the Maasai.
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Are they as fierce
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as they have
been reported to be?
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I would say, knowing what I--
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I don't view them as fierce
but I know other people do,
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still in Kenya and they can be.
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I've seen them to be wild.
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I've, you know,
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and I would not want to be
on the other end of the spear.
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You can count on
me, I'll tell you that.
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But, very loving--
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Accepting.
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Accepting, yeah,
group of people that I just,
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I have just loved as family.
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So how did a blonde,
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blue-eyed woman end up
in a ministry in Africa,
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for the Maasai?
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It's a God thing.
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And it all started out
with friendships with women,
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a woman to woman.
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Like I said, I
always had this desire
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and because I
was not on a budget,
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like I said earlier,
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I kind of was able to
develop my own interest in Kenya
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while we were living there.
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And my other
friend, Gwen Edwards,
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was living there as well
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and she had started
a branch Sabbath school
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with the children in a village
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close to the
academy, where they lived
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and where her husband
was working at the time.
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And, so they
actually were afraid of us.
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The Maasai's.
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They would, yes, they
would tell their children
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don't walk too close
to those white people
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because they could take
you away and they could,
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you know, and you don't know
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what they might do
to you, so stay away.
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So they were,
they were afraid of us
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but over several
years of just going up
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and visiting the ladies,
you know, using hand signals
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and talking and
playing with the children
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and taking our own children
to play with them, they, they--
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We gained their confidence
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so we developed a
friendship and a bond.
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And one day one of the
ladies came to Gwen and said,
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"We noticed that you
go to church on Saturday.
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We notice that you--
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Why don't you do that for us."
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And so Gwen went
to the principal.
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Now let me just
hit the pause there
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'cause you just mentioned
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that you had to
use hand signals.
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Do they have their own language?
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Did Gwen speak their language
or when this woman came to her,
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did they also speak English?
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They brought a
translator with them.
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Okay. Yeah.
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So if there's not a translator,
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we use a few words
here or there of Swahili,
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of Kimaasai and of
a few English words
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and a lot of hand
signals and we would talk.
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But we usually, we
had a translator with us.
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Okay. Yeah.
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So anyway, we
talked to the principal
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and they opened up,
let us have the classroom,
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one of the classrooms for church
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and we started church
service for the women there.
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And--
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What is their typical,
traditional spiritual beliefs?
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I don't want to
say devil worship
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because it's not
really devil worship,
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but it's spiritual worship.
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It's Spiritism.
Which is a spirit world.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Although, you know, I've had--
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we've had some experiences
with some of our lay-pastors.
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We have one that right now
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a lay-pastor
that, we had to let go
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because he basically
sold his soul to the devil.
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Wow. Yeah.
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And so and he became possessed
and we had to let him go
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and he is,
yeah, making decision.
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So there is that real, spirit.
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There is a spirit worship,
there is out there but it--
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I wouldn't say--
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Well, that is,
it's devil worship.
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It is, it's
demonic. It is. It's demonic.
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You know, I just have to
say this for our audience
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because sometimes
growing up in United States,
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you know, some
people don't even know
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if Satan is for
real, but I guarantee you,
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if you go to--
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When I was doing a camp meeting,
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at the Sedaven camp meeting,
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we were talking with
the conference people there
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and we asked them,
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"How seriously do you take
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the idea of exorcism
of casting out demons?"
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And they said, "Very seriously."
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They said when they
get a call to do that,
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they will fast for three days,
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fast and pray
for three days solid.
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Before they go, they
have to be totally prepared.
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The spirit realm--
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I think one thing that makes it
easier for some of the people,
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once they hear
the truth about Christ
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and the Holy Spirit in that area
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is that they're used to
working in the spirit realm.
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But there are demonic forces.
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You talk--
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If you want to
ever talk to anybody
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in any religion, that is,
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when they are
worshipping animals or spirits,
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you will find that there
are definitely demonic forces
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and it's very real, so.
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We actually
went out to a village
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where we noticed that
friends that we had made
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were all wearing white
bands painted around their eyes
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and so and they would
turn their backs on us
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when we would come up.
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And so we asked
them what, what is this?
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You know, what's going on here?
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And they said, "Well, the
witch doctor has said that,
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that they have to do this
in protest of Christianity.
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Wow.
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But within a few
days it was gone,
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you know, it came off.
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Love has a way. It does. Yeah.
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It conquers all things. Yeah.
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So you began
this church service,
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initially, was it
just the women coming,
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children, women?
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Women and
children with a few men.
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They had some
guards that were Maasai
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and they would come as well.
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I started
teaching literacy classes
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in during the week
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and then doing
the church service
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and then the ladies said,
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"We would like to go out
to our home village now."
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And so we went out there
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and we did a
three-day seminar and meetings.
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And this is in a Maasai village?
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In a Maasai village.
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We went out for three
days and then after that--
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How did the tribal
leaders accept this?
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Were they open to this at first?
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You know, yeah they were
fine and we were mainly at a--
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one family's boma in
which there wasn't a problem,
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they welcomed us to stay in.
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But later, about
nine months later
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we did another
ten-day where we just went
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and camped for ten days
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and I took some youth
from Nairobi out with me.
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And we were having
meetings and we had the chief
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and some of the elders
from the area come and demand
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that we stop our meetings
and have a meeting with them.
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And, yeah, I didn't
know what to expect but I--
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it was really interesting
because they stood up
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and they said,
"What do you want here?
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We don't want Christianity here.
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We don't want Christians
here. So what do you want?
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Are you trying to change
us? What is that you want?"
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And I remember one
of the Maasai ladies
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kind of patted me on
the shoulder and said--
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and motioned for
me "Don't worry."
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And, like, we
were gonna be praying.
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And, you know,
it was a God thing.
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I don't know what
I said to them but--
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I don't remember,
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but when I was
finished, they said--
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and I told them,
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I said, "We are
not here to change you
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because your
culture is precious.
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We don't want to
take your culture,
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well, you have so
many good things about it,
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but we just want to
share with you about God."
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And, in light of
what he has, hope he has.
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And so...
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and then I--
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What else I said,
I don't have a clue.
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But when I was finished,
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the chief came
up to me and said,
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"Whatever you
want, you can have."
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Pray, that is something.
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Whatever you want,
and that was a God thing.
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So I know that whatever
words came out of my mouth,
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it was not me.
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Now the culture
is precious to them
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but they do have
some strange practices.
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Let's talk about the youth
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and how early they get involved
in pre-arranged marriages
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and about the
circumcision practices.
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The Maasai women,
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they don't have a lot of
value except for the girls,
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for the fathers,
so they can sell them
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as wives for dowry.
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And the cows are much
more important than the women
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or the children.
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If a child is sick
or if a cow is sick,
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they are going to treat
the cow instead of the child
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because it's worth money.
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The child is not
unless it's a boy child.
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But the girls, they
are sold at a very--
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As soon as they reach puberty,
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they go through
female genital mutilation.
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I've seen it done as
young as seven years old.
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But normally it would
be around 11, 12 years old.
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And they go through
a thirty-day cleansing
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and then after
they've been healed,
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then they are married.
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And most times it's pre-arranged
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and it could be somebody--
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Maybe this 12-year-old girl
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is going to
marry a 70-year-old man
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as may be a sixth
wife or a seventh wife.
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And so, basically
she's been sold into,
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I would say slavery,
is how I would put it.
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But these girls, if
they survive the mutilation
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and the cutting, then
they are given away then,
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and they become
wives and bearing children
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at a very young age and...
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Now, when you
said, "If they survive."
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Do some of them
actually die during this?
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Many.
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I did a program one time,
talking to a group of Maasai
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that had become Christians
and talking about circumcision,
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and I asked them,
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"How many of
you know of somebody
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who has died because of this?"
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And every single
person raised their hand.
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We have a young girl at
our rescue center right now,
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whose 12-year-old
sister was to be married.
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And the father
had already collected
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some of the dowry and--
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But they had to get
her circumcised first
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and go through the cleansing.
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So they cut, they cut
her and she bled to death.
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The younger sister saw this.
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The father was arrested
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and sent to jail
as well as the lady
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who had done the cutting,
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because it's
actually against the law now,
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used to not be, but it is now.
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And he called
the wife in and said,
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"Okay you--
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this is what I want you to do.
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I want you to secretly
take the younger sister,
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I want you to take
Napuk and I want you to go
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and I want you to
circumcise her secretly.
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Give her to the man
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because I'm not
giving back the dowry.
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Unbelievable.
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So fortunately we were able
to get, we found out about it.
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You intervened. Yeah.
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And she was rescued and
brought to our rescue center.
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So let's talk a little
bit about the ministry.
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You started in
this very humble way.
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I think you came back to
the States then, didn't you?
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Before you went
back and you went over--
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was it Gwen that went
with you, who went with you--
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Celeste. It was Celeste.
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Right and Celeste really
saw the need for an organized,
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I mean, you
just started the work
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but now she's seeing the
need for an organized ministry.
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Exactly.
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So tell us, what the
Maasai Development Project
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is all about?
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You know when we
started out it was mainly--
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we wanted to share Jesus.
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And so we
started with lay pastors
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and we sent Maasai
out to win the Maasai
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because it doesn't work so
well when you send other people.
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So Maasai to meet the Maasai.
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And it started out
00:24:42.61\00:24:45.15
with just a two
lay-pastors and--
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So you meet them,
train them, I mean, they--
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you know that
they've been converted
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so that you send them out.
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And I might add
that at this point
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we have 26 workers
right now, 26 lay pastors.
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Wow.
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And about nine or ten of them
00:25:00.76\00:25:03.23
were brought in
to the Adventism,
00:25:03.26\00:25:07.00
from one of our
lay pastors years ago.
00:25:07.04\00:25:09.10
Praise the Lord. Praise God.
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And so, yeah so, we're seeing
a second group coming in that--
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and some of them
were just young children
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actually when we first started
going out and meeting them.
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That's got to be so rewarding.
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So we see them--
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Yeah, it is, it
is really rewarding.
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So we started out with
that but then in the early 2000s
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it came to our attention,
00:25:32.49\00:25:33.83
really about the
need for the girl child
00:25:33.86\00:25:36.46
and a rescue center.
00:25:36.50\00:25:38.03
So we were actually
supporting a rescue center
00:25:38.07\00:25:40.97
that was already
established out in Kajiado.
00:25:41.00\00:25:44.44
And as they grew,
we started expanding.
00:25:44.47\00:25:48.01
Maasai Development
started expanding elsewhere.
00:25:48.04\00:25:50.18
We were out by the
Maasai Mara Game Reserve
00:25:50.21\00:25:53.52
and there is a school
there and they asked us
00:25:53.55\00:25:56.18
if we would be
willing to come up there
00:25:56.22\00:25:58.15
and have a rescue center.
00:25:58.19\00:25:59.85
And I asked them
00:25:59.89\00:26:01.22
if we had a rescue
center built tomorrow or today,
00:26:01.26\00:26:04.59
how many at-risk girls
will there be tomorrow?
00:26:04.63\00:26:07.06
And they said 1,500.
00:26:07.10\00:26:09.10
Now if you were to see
this, but you should wonder
00:26:09.13\00:26:10.90
where in the
world could they be.
00:26:10.93\00:26:12.80
But they are just,
they're there in the bush.
00:26:12.83\00:26:17.07
And our youngest--
00:26:17.11\00:26:18.67
Fifteen hundred,
now that shocked me.
00:26:18.71\00:26:20.54
Shocked me.
00:26:20.58\00:26:21.91
And so we immediately
started praying about it
00:26:21.94\00:26:24.61
and raising funds and
in 2000 and 2010 November,
00:26:24.65\00:26:30.82
we opened up our rescue center.
00:26:30.85\00:26:32.79
We have 58 children
00:26:32.82\00:26:36.56
and some of the
children that we've had
00:26:36.59\00:26:37.93
since they were little
00:26:37.96\00:26:39.56
are now in
University and in college
00:26:39.59\00:26:42.23
and so we
educate them all the way
00:26:42.26\00:26:44.43
from whenever they
come, up through college.
00:26:44.47\00:26:48.40
How do the men of the
tribe, especially the fathers,
00:26:48.44\00:26:52.71
if these little girls
are like chattel to them,
00:26:52.74\00:26:55.01
something that they can
sell, how do they accept it
00:26:55.04\00:26:58.11
when they know you
rescued their daughter?
00:26:58.15\00:27:01.62
Yeah, we have to
walk very carefully.
00:27:01.65\00:27:03.28
And our manager has had--
00:27:03.32\00:27:07.72
has been threatened in
the past by young Moran
00:27:07.76\00:27:10.73
that had come and said,
"We are going to kill you,
00:27:10.76\00:27:13.26
because you are
taking away our girls."
00:27:13.29\00:27:16.67
And also fathers have--
00:27:16.70\00:27:19.40
one father knew
that we were going
00:27:19.43\00:27:21.10
to start sponsoring his
daughter and taking her in.
00:27:21.14\00:27:24.77
So he arranged to have
one of his friends rape
00:27:24.81\00:27:28.64
his daughter hoping to
get her pregnant so that,
00:27:28.68\00:27:33.58
then we would say no.
00:27:33.62\00:27:36.12
Fortunately, we were--
00:27:36.15\00:27:37.92
she did not get pregnant
00:27:37.95\00:27:39.35
and we were able to get her away
00:27:39.39\00:27:40.96
and she has been with us.
00:27:40.99\00:27:42.46
She is now in form three
or a junior in high school,
00:27:42.49\00:27:46.76
doing very well.
00:27:46.80\00:27:48.43
So is it usually the mothers
00:27:48.46\00:27:49.93
that bring these
little girls to you or?
00:27:49.96\00:27:52.63
Mothers have, and
I've seen mother--
00:27:52.67\00:27:54.47
we had one mother
who brought her daughter.
00:27:54.50\00:27:57.64
She went back home and
then her husband kicked her out.
00:27:57.67\00:28:01.04
So she no longer
had a home anywhere.
00:28:01.08\00:28:03.04
She had no place to go.
00:28:03.08\00:28:04.41
She had to just go
from place to place
00:28:04.45\00:28:06.21
begging for food and things
00:28:06.25\00:28:07.58
because she had been
disowned because she had--
00:28:07.62\00:28:12.25
she was brave enough
to rescue her daughter.
00:28:12.29\00:28:14.56
And we've had many
women come and say,
00:28:14.59\00:28:18.39
"Please, I don't
want my daughter to go
00:28:18.43\00:28:19.96
what I've gone through."
00:28:20.00\00:28:22.00
Praise the Lord
for the ministry.
00:28:22.03\00:28:24.03
So we are gonna come back
00:28:24.07\00:28:25.63
'cause we want to hear
the story of Josephine.
00:28:25.67\00:28:27.17
Yes.
00:28:27.20\00:28:28.54
But do you also have--
00:28:28.57\00:28:30.51
is there a
church building there?
00:28:30.54\00:28:33.38
Yes.
00:28:33.41\00:28:36.04
I'm excited to say that finally
it's been several years now
00:28:36.08\00:28:40.12
that we've had the
one-day churches from ASI.
00:28:40.15\00:28:42.82
Yeah, but they are
now out in Maasai land.
00:28:42.85\00:28:45.62
And last
October, I went to visit
00:28:45.65\00:28:48.19
one of our lay
pastor's churches.
00:28:48.22\00:28:51.46
And here was the framework
from the one-day church.
00:28:51.49\00:28:56.13
And so of course after church
they as usual they will say,
00:28:56.16\00:29:00.44
what--
00:29:00.47\00:29:01.80
you know, can you help us
00:29:01.84\00:29:03.17
with this or with this
or this is what we're doing.
00:29:03.20\00:29:05.84
And they were
telling me that for two years
00:29:05.87\00:29:08.41
they've been
praying for a church.
00:29:08.44\00:29:11.18
And coming together
00:29:11.21\00:29:12.81
'cause they've for three years
they were just under a tree.
00:29:12.85\00:29:15.98
And so, they have been praying
00:29:16.02\00:29:19.19
and what they didn't know
00:29:19.22\00:29:22.76
was that the previous lay pastor
00:29:22.79\00:29:24.76
had written a letter
to his sponsor and said,
00:29:24.79\00:29:27.10
"My goal is to have a church".
00:29:27.13\00:29:29.13
That sponsor contacted me
00:29:29.16\00:29:30.80
previous before me
going over and seeing
00:29:30.83\00:29:32.67
that the one-day
church had come up there.
00:29:32.70\00:29:34.97
And said, "I want to
help this dream come true."
00:29:35.00\00:29:37.97
So as I am sitting
there listening to them
00:29:38.01\00:29:40.14
say we want this
church, you know,
00:29:40.18\00:29:41.51
can we get help
to finish the church.
00:29:41.54\00:29:43.81
I'm just trying to--
00:29:43.85\00:29:46.68
I am just holding
myself to my chair going,
00:29:46.72\00:29:48.32
"Oh, please hurry him,
00:29:48.35\00:29:49.68
finish talking so I can tell you
00:29:49.72\00:29:51.05
there is a church coming."
00:29:51.09\00:29:52.95
And so when they were
done and I got up and I said,
00:29:52.99\00:29:54.42
"Yeah, " I said, "I'm
so excited to tell you
00:29:54.46\00:29:58.23
we already have a sponsor.
00:29:58.26\00:29:59.59
They are going to help
you finish this church."
00:29:59.63\00:30:01.00
And right now, Shelley,
00:30:01.03\00:30:02.36
it is being built
as we speak right now
00:30:02.40\00:30:04.03
It's in the--
00:30:04.07\00:30:05.40
it's being finished,
00:30:05.43\00:30:06.77
that one-day church.
00:30:06.80\00:30:08.14
And our lay pastors,
00:30:08.17\00:30:09.64
if there isn't an
opportunity for one-day church,
00:30:09.67\00:30:12.21
they mobilize the community.
00:30:12.24\00:30:14.08
And they will put
up a tin structure,
00:30:14.11\00:30:16.91
they'll put up a
wooden structure.
00:30:16.95\00:30:20.35
And it's very primitive,
00:30:20.38\00:30:21.98
but as long as they
have a building to come to,
00:30:22.02\00:30:24.22
the people come.
00:30:24.25\00:30:25.59
We don't. We don't.
00:30:25.62\00:30:27.06
We so take for granted
how blessed we are here
00:30:27.09\00:30:30.63
in the States or any of
the developed countries,
00:30:30.66\00:30:34.10
where we've got
beautiful churches.
00:30:34.13\00:30:36.30
And in some places like
in Europe beautiful churches
00:30:36.33\00:30:39.07
that are not even a
fourth of the way filled,
00:30:39.10\00:30:42.20
which is a shame.
00:30:42.24\00:30:43.57
But these people are
very passionate about God
00:30:43.61\00:30:48.64
and they're very
passionate about having a home
00:30:48.68\00:30:51.28
that makes them really
feel, a church makes them feel
00:30:51.31\00:30:55.15
that they really
belong, don't they?
00:30:55.18\00:30:56.69
Right, exactly.
00:30:56.72\00:30:58.05
So tell us the
story of Josephine?
00:30:58.09\00:31:02.12
In 2011, I was at the centre,
spending a few months there.
00:31:02.16\00:31:06.09
And the school master
00:31:06.13\00:31:09.56
from next door
came over and said,
00:31:09.60\00:31:11.93
"I have a girl
here, she's a runaway,
00:31:11.97\00:31:14.77
she's married and she's runaway
00:31:14.80\00:31:17.31
and would you take her?"
00:31:17.34\00:31:18.67
So we called her
over to talk to her.
00:31:18.71\00:31:20.88
And she was 12
years old at the time.
00:31:20.91\00:31:23.75
She's married and
she was 12 years old?
00:31:23.78\00:31:26.05
Yes, and she'd been
married for two years.
00:31:26.08\00:31:27.68
Oh, bless her.
00:31:27.72\00:31:29.05
And looking for an
opportunity to escape.
00:31:29.08\00:31:31.09
And she knew if she
could get to the school
00:31:31.12\00:31:33.82
that once she
got inside the gates
00:31:33.86\00:31:35.69
that she could be protected.
00:31:35.72\00:31:37.09
And they wouldn't
force her to go back.
00:31:37.13\00:31:39.06
But the school master
said, "Well, you know,
00:31:39.09\00:31:41.23
we'll have to talk to the chief,
00:31:41.26\00:31:42.83
because you are already married.
00:31:42.86\00:31:44.63
We'll have to talk."
00:31:44.67\00:31:46.00
She goes, "Nope, I
won't talk to him."
00:31:46.03\00:31:47.37
He said, "Why?"
00:31:47.40\00:31:48.74
She goes, "Because
he can be bought off."
00:31:48.77\00:31:50.71
And if you take me
there, he will send me back.
00:31:50.74\00:31:53.68
He said, "Okay, we
will call the counselor."
00:31:53.71\00:31:55.28
"Oh no, that
counselor can be bought off."
00:31:55.31\00:31:58.08
So they brought
her to right next door,
00:31:58.11\00:32:01.18
to our, to our compound
00:32:01.22\00:32:03.65
and we were able to get
the Government involved then.
00:32:03.69\00:32:07.69
We could call the Child services
00:32:07.72\00:32:09.39
and we got custody of her.
00:32:09.42\00:32:11.46
And so she came to our centre
00:32:11.49\00:32:15.10
and she said, "I
want to go school."
00:32:15.13\00:32:18.40
Of course, she was 12 years old
00:32:18.43\00:32:19.77
and she had to start--
00:32:19.80\00:32:21.14
she went back to
third grade and started.
00:32:21.17\00:32:23.07
And so these little kids
now are making fun of her
00:32:23.10\00:32:25.27
and she's like, "You
can laugh all you want,
00:32:25.31\00:32:27.58
but I am getting educated."
00:32:27.61\00:32:29.71
And she's now in
class seven, finish--
00:32:29.74\00:32:32.35
and will start class eight
00:32:32.38\00:32:34.12
and two years to go.
00:32:34.15\00:32:36.22
This is Josephine on the screen?
00:32:36.25\00:32:37.59
This is Josephine on the screen.
00:32:37.62\00:32:38.95
Now, Josephine
is a special girl.
00:32:38.99\00:32:43.12
In that, last October,
00:32:43.16\00:32:46.13
I was in Kenya,
went out to visit.
00:32:46.16\00:32:48.26
And she was...
00:32:48.30\00:32:52.63
I went to church and
I noticed first of all,
00:32:52.67\00:32:55.10
because we use a room
00:32:55.14\00:32:56.71
from the school next door to us,
00:32:56.74\00:32:58.81
so when I went, I thought,
00:32:58.84\00:33:00.18
"Oh, we've moved
to a larger room."
00:33:00.21\00:33:03.35
And there was a lot more people.
00:33:03.38\00:33:04.71
Then I also noticed that
there was a school teacher
00:33:04.75\00:33:06.08
that was coming.
00:33:06.11\00:33:07.45
And, and it was
just packed with kids.
00:33:07.48\00:33:10.95
Now on Sundays,
the children have--
00:33:10.99\00:33:13.62
Because the school is
not an Adventist school,
00:33:13.66\00:33:15.76
they can either
00:33:15.79\00:33:17.13
go to a Bible
study at our center
00:33:17.16\00:33:19.39
or they can go to church service
00:33:19.43\00:33:21.13
there on Sunday.
00:33:21.16\00:33:22.86
So many other
children were coming over to us
00:33:22.90\00:33:26.74
for our Bible studies
on Sundays at our centre.
00:33:26.77\00:33:30.61
So I had the Bible
study the next day.
00:33:30.64\00:33:32.07
And when I walked in,
00:33:32.11\00:33:34.14
I noticed that it was
full and of many boys.
00:33:34.18\00:33:37.71
And I'm going,
00:33:37.75\00:33:39.08
"What are all these
boys doing in our dormitory?"
00:33:39.11\00:33:41.35
And I think we have a picture.
00:33:41.38\00:33:42.72
We'll show you. And
yeah here is our dormitory.
00:33:42.75\00:33:45.19
Now it doesn't
look really full there.
00:33:45.22\00:33:47.36
But there's over
60 children there.
00:33:47.39\00:33:49.16
And 30 of our children
00:33:49.19\00:33:51.73
or twenty-some of our children
are in secondary school,
00:33:51.76\00:33:54.36
so only 30 of those
children out of that 60
00:33:54.40\00:33:58.43
are actually our
children from our center.
00:33:58.47\00:34:00.44
The rest are children
from the school next door.
00:34:00.47\00:34:03.24
So how did they get there?
00:34:03.27\00:34:05.77
They came because of Josephine.
00:34:05.81\00:34:07.61
When I was
through with the study,
00:34:07.64\00:34:08.98
I went and sat
down beside Josephine.
00:34:09.01\00:34:11.05
And I said, "Josephine?"
00:34:11.08\00:34:13.58
She said, "How are you doing?"
00:34:13.62\00:34:15.25
She goes, "You
see all these kids?"
00:34:15.28\00:34:16.89
I go, "Yeah."
00:34:16.92\00:34:18.25
She goes, "They are my friends.
00:34:18.29\00:34:20.66
I invited them to
come and they come,
00:34:20.69\00:34:23.43
and they're
coming to Bible study."
00:34:23.46\00:34:25.39
The school teacher,
00:34:25.43\00:34:26.76
from the day
before there was a church
00:34:26.80\00:34:28.90
and is now
requesting Bible studies,
00:34:28.93\00:34:31.60
is her teacher
00:34:31.63\00:34:32.97
who she'd been
talking to and saying,
00:34:33.00\00:34:34.57
"He needed to come to church."
00:34:34.60\00:34:35.94
So what you're saying is she's
a bold witness for the Lord.
00:34:35.97\00:34:38.34
She's a bold
witness. Praise God.
00:34:38.37\00:34:40.61
Now, now this is
the special part,
00:34:40.64\00:34:44.21
is that Josephine--
00:34:44.25\00:34:46.11
these young boys that
you saw in that picture,
00:34:46.15\00:34:49.02
they came to our
lay pastor there.
00:34:49.05\00:34:51.05
And they said, "Pastor,
we're going home for holiday,
00:34:51.09\00:34:54.42
but we don't have a
church at our village."
00:34:54.46\00:34:57.86
And they sent me a message,
00:34:57.89\00:34:59.39
"Can we get a lay
pastor for this village?"
00:34:59.43\00:35:02.20
And first of all I'm going,
"Okay, where is this village?
00:35:02.23\00:35:04.63
We don't have the
funding for another lay pastor.
00:35:04.67\00:35:07.20
We just don't have it right now.
00:35:07.24\00:35:09.20
Because we don't
even have enough sponsors
00:35:09.24\00:35:10.91
for what we have.
00:35:10.94\00:35:12.27
And then I said,
00:35:12.31\00:35:14.24
"First of all,
tell me where this is?"
00:35:14.28\00:35:15.61
And goes, "Jan, this is
Josephine's parent's village.
00:35:15.64\00:35:19.61
This is Josephine's home village
00:35:19.65\00:35:21.38
where these boys are from."
00:35:21.42\00:35:22.75
And we said, "Get
a lay pastor there.
00:35:22.78\00:35:25.65
We're gonna step out in faith."
00:35:25.69\00:35:27.26
We still don't have
a sponsor for him yet
00:35:27.29\00:35:29.59
but we now have one.
00:35:29.62\00:35:31.03
And those boys,
they came and they said,
00:35:31.06\00:35:33.63
"We can no longer
go to church on Sunday
00:35:33.66\00:35:36.03
because now we know the truth,
00:35:36.06\00:35:38.00
and now we know the Bible,
00:35:38.03\00:35:41.17
and we are finding
the truth from the Bible.
00:35:41.20\00:35:44.34
Praise the Lord.
And they said, "Please."
00:35:44.37\00:35:45.81
So now, because of Josephine,
00:35:45.84\00:35:49.31
not only is there now
00:35:49.34\00:35:51.21
a church starting
in her home village.
00:35:51.25\00:35:53.31
And she is praying that
her parents will be reached
00:35:53.35\00:35:56.62
and that they will
come to know Jesus as well.
00:35:56.65\00:35:58.99
Now in the mean time,
00:35:59.02\00:36:00.36
what I was to start to
tell you is, two years ago,
00:36:00.39\00:36:02.82
she was looking really
sad, and I said, "What's wrong?"
00:36:02.86\00:36:05.96
And she said
that her little sister
00:36:05.99\00:36:08.16
who was turning 10 years old,
00:36:08.20\00:36:10.00
was just getting
ready to be circumcised
00:36:10.03\00:36:11.87
and sold as a wife.
00:36:11.90\00:36:13.84
We were able to
go out and get her.
00:36:13.87\00:36:16.84
To circumvent the
circumcision, right?
00:36:16.87\00:36:18.87
There you go.
00:36:18.91\00:36:20.58
Let me ask you this, I
mean, if I'm wondering this,
00:36:20.61\00:36:23.45
I know that you're probably
wondering this at home as well.
00:36:23.48\00:36:27.12
What is the
purpose of the circumcision
00:36:27.15\00:36:29.22
before they're married?
00:36:29.25\00:36:31.12
If you go--
00:36:31.15\00:36:32.49
if you ask anybody, oops,
00:36:32.52\00:36:34.76
they won't--
00:36:34.79\00:36:36.12
they won't really know.
00:36:36.16\00:36:37.53
It's just been tradition.
00:36:37.56\00:36:39.43
It's going from a
child into womanhood.
00:36:39.46\00:36:43.47
But if you go back
into the history of it,
00:36:43.50\00:36:46.17
it was actually given
as a gift to the gods.
00:36:46.20\00:36:49.20
So this
mutilation, oh my goodness.
00:36:49.24\00:36:51.61
Okay, that's enough.
00:36:51.64\00:36:52.97
I-- yeah, we've got
far enough on that one.
00:36:53.01\00:36:55.74
So what does it cost
00:36:55.78\00:36:59.71
to sponsor a Bible worker there?
00:36:59.75\00:37:03.08
A Bible worker is $150 a month.
00:37:03.12\00:37:06.45
$150 a month. Yeah.
00:37:06.49\00:37:08.56
And we have some
churches that, you know,
00:37:08.59\00:37:11.63
as a church they will
sponsor a pastor or something.
00:37:11.66\00:37:14.50
So then it's not such
a burden on one person.
00:37:14.53\00:37:16.50
And we have other people say,
00:37:16.53\00:37:17.90
"I'd like to sponsor a pastor
00:37:17.93\00:37:19.27
but I can only
give this much a month."
00:37:19.30\00:37:20.80
So then we put them together.
00:37:20.84\00:37:22.17
Put them together. Yeah, yeah.
00:37:22.20\00:37:23.87
That's
wonderful, that's wonderful.
00:37:23.91\00:37:26.57
Now let's--
00:37:26.61\00:37:28.58
you've been sitting over
there being so quiet, Terri.
00:37:28.61\00:37:32.18
And I just got to share
with our guest if I may.
00:37:32.21\00:37:35.75
Those who were
watching and listening by radio,
00:37:35.78\00:37:38.35
Terri said, "Don't make
me talk when I get there."
00:37:38.39\00:37:42.22
So talking is not your
thing in front of a camera
00:37:42.26\00:37:45.66
but we're gonna talk.
00:37:45.69\00:37:49.26
Tell us about when you
went over on the mission trip
00:37:49.30\00:37:53.74
and how the Lord
impacted you through that trip.
00:37:53.77\00:37:59.51
Oh, well, where to begin.
00:37:59.54\00:38:04.08
We started out
actually staying in tents.
00:38:04.11\00:38:08.92
And I don't even know the name
of the little area we were at,
00:38:08.95\00:38:12.59
but we stayed in
tents and we had a small--
00:38:12.62\00:38:14.82
Did you go over to
provide nursing services?
00:38:14.86\00:38:16.62
Nursing services, in
a little medical clinic,
00:38:16.66\00:38:19.73
we had a doctor and
couple of nurses with us.
00:38:19.76\00:38:22.36
We saw over a
course of three days
00:38:25.63\00:38:28.44
over 2,000 people.
00:38:28.47\00:38:29.80
Oh my!
00:38:29.84\00:38:31.17
And they just--
00:38:31.21\00:38:33.11
they just get there,
00:38:33.14\00:38:34.84
they walk miles
to get to see someone
00:38:34.88\00:38:39.38
for some help medically.
00:38:39.41\00:38:42.78
And I was just
humbled by the fact
00:38:42.82\00:38:47.22
that they would
show up to see us to,
00:38:47.26\00:38:50.76
to get a little bit of care.
00:38:50.79\00:38:52.13
To drive, to walk that far
00:38:52.16\00:38:54.50
and make such an
effort to get there.
00:38:54.53\00:38:55.96
And to wait all day,
some of them just to be seen.
00:38:56.00\00:38:59.90
Terri had an
experience with a young girl
00:38:59.93\00:39:02.40
that is amazing.
00:39:02.44\00:39:04.87
Oh, yeah this was--
00:39:04.91\00:39:08.04
well a little girl,
00:39:08.08\00:39:09.41
I don't know may
be 11-12 years old.
00:39:09.44\00:39:14.32
I had an interpreter
that was sitting right with me
00:39:14.35\00:39:17.85
to interpret and kind of
go over the medical needs
00:39:17.89\00:39:21.66
of each person,
00:39:21.69\00:39:23.09
usually it was a
family that would come.
00:39:23.12\00:39:25.39
And this little
girl was by herself
00:39:25.43\00:39:27.76
and she was
trying to almost slide,
00:39:27.80\00:39:32.37
you know just to be
hidden, she was hiding her face.
00:39:32.40\00:39:35.00
We had to get very
close to her to even hear
00:39:35.04\00:39:37.31
what she was trying to ask.
00:39:37.34\00:39:38.81
And it turned out that,
00:39:38.84\00:39:41.11
her story was that she had been
put out of her home at night.
00:39:43.14\00:39:48.58
And there were some farm
workers from another area
00:39:48.62\00:39:52.82
that three or four of them
that had raped her and she was,
00:39:52.85\00:39:56.56
you know, she had an
infection and she was miserable
00:39:56.59\00:40:00.13
and so we treated her.
00:40:00.16\00:40:01.66
And then we got James,
who's at the girl's center,
00:40:01.70\00:40:05.77
he followed up with her mom
00:40:05.80\00:40:08.70
and tried to make
sure that she was safe.
00:40:08.74\00:40:11.87
Yes.
00:40:11.91\00:40:13.24
We didn't know if
we needed to rescue her
00:40:13.27\00:40:14.88
and bring her to
the center or, but--
00:40:14.91\00:40:19.31
Bless her little heart. Yeah.
00:40:19.35\00:40:21.08
You know, you just
can't even imagine what...
00:40:21.12\00:40:23.95
She was.
00:40:23.99\00:40:25.32
How the cult--
00:40:25.35\00:40:26.69
you know, the
difference in culture,
00:40:26.72\00:40:28.32
how parents would even
put their child out at night
00:40:28.36\00:40:30.53
where they would be
exposed to this kind of risk.
00:40:30.56\00:40:33.13
We've had mothers that have sent
00:40:33.16\00:40:35.93
their daughters
out to the young men
00:40:35.96\00:40:37.73
because the young men
will taunt the mothers
00:40:37.77\00:40:41.70
and make them, make
their life really hard,
00:40:41.74\00:40:44.67
if they don't send
their daughters out.
00:40:44.71\00:40:47.21
Oh, that's unbelievable.
00:40:47.24\00:40:49.88
But now, you had a driver
00:40:49.91\00:40:53.08
when you were on
this missionary trip.
00:40:53.11\00:40:56.28
And there was a
miracle involved in his family
00:40:56.32\00:41:00.36
and I think that's
what touched your heart
00:41:00.39\00:41:02.39
to get involved
on a permanent basis.
00:41:02.42\00:41:05.79
Tell us about this
driver and his son?
00:41:05.83\00:41:09.50
Well, I think Jan was
there. I met the driver.
00:41:09.53\00:41:12.97
He was our driver
when we were there
00:41:13.00\00:41:15.04
and got to know him a bit.
00:41:15.07\00:41:18.41
Very special,
very special person
00:41:18.44\00:41:20.51
and he's been
more and more involved,
00:41:20.54\00:41:22.08
I think with our--
00:41:22.11\00:41:23.45
with the Maasai
Development Project now.
00:41:23.48\00:41:25.81
But I think it was last October
00:41:25.85\00:41:30.15
and I wasn't there on that trip.
00:41:30.19\00:41:32.75
But...
00:41:32.79\00:41:34.12
Yeah, I arrived
from the airport.
00:41:34.16\00:41:35.92
And he was driving me home,
00:41:35.96\00:41:37.33
and he told me that
they had a baby since--
00:41:37.36\00:41:40.46
you know, since I was there.
00:41:40.50\00:41:41.83
And that was a
real surprise to me.
00:41:41.86\00:41:43.20
And a couple of days later,
00:41:43.23\00:41:44.73
my sister, who is also a
nurse flew in and he said,
00:41:44.77\00:41:48.40
"We were supposed to go
somewhere the next day."
00:41:48.44\00:41:50.14
And he called and he goes,
00:41:50.17\00:41:51.51
"I had to take my wife
and my son, new born son."
00:41:51.54\00:41:54.14
He was, well three
weeks old to the doctor,
00:41:54.18\00:41:57.95
well, come to find out
the baby had meningitis.
00:41:57.98\00:42:00.62
Oh my! Three weeks old.
00:42:00.65\00:42:03.05
And if the wife
hadn't gotten set,
00:42:03.08\00:42:05.22
probably the
baby would have died
00:42:05.25\00:42:06.59
before they ever
got him to the hospital.
00:42:06.62\00:42:08.59
By the time they got him
there, he was so dehydrated.
00:42:08.62\00:42:12.36
Of course, he'd
already stiffen back.
00:42:12.39\00:42:14.40
The front nerve was
swollen on his head.
00:42:14.43\00:42:17.30
He was comatose.
00:42:17.33\00:42:20.14
So they took him to
the government hospital.
00:42:20.17\00:42:22.20
And so we would go and
start to pray for the--
00:42:22.24\00:42:25.97
we prayed over the baby.
00:42:26.01\00:42:27.58
And sent messages
all over the world
00:42:27.61\00:42:30.75
on our Facebook page,
Maasai development Facebook,
00:42:30.78\00:42:33.48
our personal ones.
00:42:33.52\00:42:34.85
We called our church
family here in the States
00:42:34.88\00:42:37.15
and they got
prayer warriors going
00:42:37.19\00:42:38.69
and we would just pray.
00:42:38.72\00:42:40.86
And Pastor Bernie
Anderson was there visiting.
00:42:40.89\00:42:44.09
So we took him to go
and pray over the baby.
00:42:44.13\00:42:47.30
Right now, I think
there's a picture of him here
00:42:47.33\00:42:49.73
but--
00:42:49.76\00:42:51.13
this is him today.
00:42:51.17\00:42:52.57
Oh! Isn't he darling?
00:42:52.60\00:42:54.50
This is little baby Jackson
00:42:54.54\00:42:55.87
and absolutely no
residual effects from it.
00:42:55.90\00:42:58.81
And he was--
00:42:58.84\00:43:00.18
went from about two pounds.
00:43:00.21\00:43:05.78
Three, two and a
half, three pounds
00:43:05.81\00:43:07.15
he had lost so much weight.
00:43:07.18\00:43:08.58
And now he is a
healthy little boy,
00:43:08.62\00:43:11.52
just smiling and happy.
00:43:11.55\00:43:13.76
And they gave all credit to God.
00:43:13.79\00:43:16.86
And the day before
I left, last October
00:43:16.89\00:43:19.63
when I came back to the
States, I stopped by their house
00:43:19.66\00:43:22.13
to visit the baby
and take pictures.
00:43:22.16\00:43:24.90
And they were saying,
00:43:24.93\00:43:27.94
"Oh, we really
need a bigger house."
00:43:27.97\00:43:30.21
They had a very
humble, humble home.
00:43:30.24\00:43:32.37
And they asked
me to pray for him,
00:43:32.41\00:43:37.51
pray for them and before I left.
00:43:37.55\00:43:39.21
And so I did
and I asked, I said,
00:43:39.25\00:43:40.58
"Lord, would you please provide
a two-bedroom home for this--
00:43:40.62\00:43:45.22
nice two bed room
home for this family.
00:43:45.25\00:43:48.16
They're needing a bigger place."
00:43:48.19\00:43:49.56
And I forgot all
about that prayer.
00:43:49.59\00:43:51.49
When I was there
here, just two weeks ago,
00:43:51.53\00:43:53.86
I just got back.
00:43:53.90\00:43:56.10
And I went to
visit them in their home.
00:43:56.13\00:43:58.73
In their two-bedroom home.
00:43:58.77\00:44:00.10
In their new
two-bedroom, beautiful home.
00:44:00.14\00:44:02.40
And they said,
00:44:02.44\00:44:03.77
"Do you remember
when you prayed?"
00:44:03.81\00:44:05.14
And I said,
00:44:05.17\00:44:06.51
"No, I really don't
remember that I prayed."
00:44:06.54\00:44:07.88
They go, "Well, you did.
00:44:07.91\00:44:09.24
And we remember that and
here we are in our home."
00:44:09.28\00:44:12.18
And I have to tell you this.
00:44:12.21\00:44:13.92
They have
watched, they watch 3ABN.
00:44:13.95\00:44:17.29
Oh, glory to God.
00:44:17.32\00:44:18.75
Well if they're watching today,
00:44:18.79\00:44:20.12
I just want to send
you kisses out to you.
00:44:20.16\00:44:23.19
Let me ask you,
00:44:23.22\00:44:27.10
and, Terri, I'm
gonna come to you first.
00:44:27.13\00:44:29.03
Going--
00:44:29.06\00:44:31.93
I've always heard that
mission trips really can--
00:44:31.97\00:44:36.57
As you said, it
humbles you, it changes you.
00:44:36.60\00:44:37.94
It changes your perspective
on life in many ways.
00:44:37.97\00:44:41.34
And is this what made you
00:44:41.38\00:44:43.88
decide to become involved,
this executive secretary
00:44:43.91\00:44:47.22
for the Maasai
Development Project?
00:44:47.25\00:44:50.25
Well, I didn't
have any plans of that.
00:44:50.29\00:44:52.82
I've always
wanted to do something.
00:44:52.85\00:44:55.32
And I've always just prayed
to be able to do something.
00:44:55.36\00:44:59.76
So Jan called me
and we talked about it
00:44:59.79\00:45:04.03
for a while and I just,
00:45:04.07\00:45:05.40
I prayed about it a
while because I wanted to--
00:45:05.43\00:45:09.27
I'm a nurse,
I'm not a secretary.
00:45:09.30\00:45:12.27
So it's a big step for me but--
00:45:12.31\00:45:15.04
It's a stretch. It is.
00:45:15.08\00:45:17.15
God stretches us. He does.
00:45:17.18\00:45:19.21
And He does, watch
out what you pray for.
00:45:19.25\00:45:22.25
Yes.
00:45:22.28\00:45:24.99
So, I'm just--
00:45:25.02\00:45:26.35
Praise the Lord.
00:45:26.39\00:45:27.72
So, how has, either
one of you can address,
00:45:27.76\00:45:32.73
it's for both,
00:45:32.76\00:45:34.53
how has being involved in this
changed your Christian walk,
00:45:34.56\00:45:41.50
your relation,
00:45:41.60\00:45:42.94
your one-on-one
time with the Lord?
00:45:42.97\00:45:45.41
Do you want to go first?
00:45:45.44\00:45:48.94
I think in doing
this kind of work is,
00:45:48.98\00:45:52.45
like I said humbling and knowing
00:45:52.48\00:45:56.69
that I can't do anything
that it has to all be God.
00:45:56.72\00:46:00.52
Amen.
00:46:00.56\00:46:01.89
John 15:5 and
that daily prayer time,
00:46:01.92\00:46:08.56
that daily walk with God.
00:46:08.96\00:46:13.13
Praise God.
00:46:13.17\00:46:15.00
How about for you?
00:46:15.04\00:46:17.67
We're still going
because of the grace of God,
00:46:17.71\00:46:20.81
because it's His ministry.
00:46:20.84\00:46:23.45
Shelley, every
month is a miracle
00:46:23.48\00:46:25.28
for us at this point.
00:46:25.31\00:46:27.48
And there are times you know, I,
00:46:27.52\00:46:29.68
you know get all the expenses
that I'll need to spend over,
00:46:29.72\00:46:32.65
sent for that month.
00:46:32.69\00:46:34.12
And I go through the list
00:46:34.16\00:46:37.56
and then I go through
with the available funds
00:46:37.59\00:46:40.00
and I pray.
00:46:40.03\00:46:42.53
And maybe I'll be
$6,000 short. So I pray again.
00:46:42.56\00:46:46.63
And I'll go through everything.
Maybe I'll be $4,000.
00:46:46.67\00:46:51.11
And so I'll pray
again and I'll go through.
00:46:51.14\00:46:53.31
Somehow every
month, God provides it.
00:46:53.34\00:46:57.15
And I don't know
where it comes from.
00:46:57.18\00:47:00.22
Only God knows.
00:47:00.25\00:47:01.75
And we would not
be, if it wasn't for God
00:47:01.78\00:47:07.39
and if He was--
00:47:07.42\00:47:08.76
and when you have to
depend on Him for everything.
00:47:08.79\00:47:13.53
Believe me, we
understand that around here.
00:47:13.56\00:47:15.80
Yeah, you do.
00:47:15.83\00:47:17.17
'Cause it's a
month-to-month thing.
00:47:17.20\00:47:18.53
We do understand.
00:47:18.57\00:47:20.10
And it's kind of exciting
learning to walk by faith.
00:47:20.14\00:47:25.14
You know, you hear
people say that all the time
00:47:25.17\00:47:28.58
but it's not to you in
the middle of the ministry
00:47:28.61\00:47:31.05
with all these
expenses and not knowing
00:47:31.08\00:47:34.05
where the money is coming from.
00:47:34.08\00:47:36.08
That's when you really
understand walking by faith,
00:47:36.12\00:47:38.39
going forward by faith.
00:47:38.42\00:47:39.75
Just like you said,
getting another Bible worker
00:47:39.79\00:47:43.49
that was a step of faith
00:47:43.53\00:47:44.96
'cause that's a
$150 more a month
00:47:44.99\00:47:47.20
to add to your budget.
00:47:47.23\00:47:49.66
But it was
something that I'm sure
00:47:49.70\00:47:52.33
God's gonna cover
that step of faith
00:47:52.37\00:47:54.37
'cause He knew that
village needed to hear.
00:47:54.40\00:47:57.57
So, what are the opportunities?
00:47:57.61\00:47:59.41
I want to put up
your address roll.
00:47:59.44\00:48:01.01
They have one ready for you two,
00:48:01.04\00:48:02.74
so that people--
00:48:02.78\00:48:04.11
you at home or if you
are listening in your car
00:48:04.15\00:48:06.58
or watching on TV,
00:48:06.61\00:48:07.95
that you will be able
to get in touch with Jan,
00:48:07.98\00:48:11.29
you've got--
00:48:11.32\00:48:12.82
Do you do these medical mission,
00:48:12.85\00:48:16.02
Jans, periodically?
00:48:16.06\00:48:18.49
And so people can--
00:48:18.53\00:48:20.33
Yes, in fact we have a
mission group going over
00:48:20.36\00:48:22.86
in May 24, this year.
00:48:22.90\00:48:25.13
We have another group
that would go over in October.
00:48:25.17\00:48:27.90
So we do about two trips a year.
00:48:27.94\00:48:30.34
Usually June, July
and then again in October.
00:48:30.37\00:48:33.58
This year we are
taking a little earlier
00:48:33.61\00:48:35.21
so we can get better tickets
00:48:35.24\00:48:37.11
but, but yeah, we
usually do about two a year.
00:48:37.15\00:48:39.88
All right.
00:48:39.91\00:48:41.25
And so people
can become involved
00:48:41.28\00:48:43.42
in that sense.
00:48:43.45\00:48:45.79
They can become involved
sponsoring either a student
00:48:45.82\00:48:49.16
at your school or
Bible worker and, of course,
00:48:49.19\00:48:54.33
you can become
involved by your prayers.
00:48:54.36\00:48:56.60
That's, I think if
you talk to anybody
00:48:56.63\00:48:58.80
in the ministry
the one thing they,
00:48:58.83\00:49:00.67
I don't want to
use the word covet
00:49:00.70\00:49:02.04
'cause we're told not to
covet but it's similar to that.
00:49:02.07\00:49:06.37
What we desire most
is your prayer support
00:49:06.41\00:49:09.24
because we know
that we have a mighty God
00:49:09.28\00:49:11.51
but at the same time,
00:49:11.55\00:49:13.92
you know, you've heard the story
00:49:13.95\00:49:15.82
where the pastor
tells his congregation,
00:49:15.85\00:49:19.89
you know, this is
what is gonna cost.
00:49:19.92\00:49:22.59
The good news
is God has provided
00:49:22.62\00:49:25.09
for this ministry.
00:49:25.13\00:49:27.43
And then people are going
like, yeah, and then he said,
00:49:27.46\00:49:30.47
"The bad news is the
money is in your pocket."
00:49:30.50\00:49:32.83
So this is something
that is important and we want.
00:49:32.87\00:49:35.97
If the Holy Spirit is
inspiring you as you watch,
00:49:36.00\00:49:39.54
if your hearts been moved
00:49:39.57\00:49:40.91
in thinking about
rescuing these young girls
00:49:40.94\00:49:43.98
from this
horrible genital mutilation
00:49:44.01\00:49:47.25
and being married off
at such a young age or,
00:49:47.28\00:49:50.59
and letting these
people come to know the truth.
00:49:50.62\00:49:53.36
If you would like to
become involved in any way
00:49:53.39\00:49:56.42
or donate to this ministry,
00:49:56.46\00:49:58.63
here is how you can get in touch
00:49:58.66\00:50:00.06
with the Maasai
Development Project.
00:50:00.10\00:50:02.10
If you'd like
to learn more about
00:50:06.53\00:50:07.87
the Maasai Development Project
00:50:07.90\00:50:09.24
or if you'd like to
support this ministry,
00:50:09.27\00:50:10.97
you can write to,
Maasai Development Project
00:50:11.01\00:50:14.04
PO Box 6816 Spokane, WA 99217
00:50:14.08\00:50:19.11
That's, Maasai
Development Project
00:50:19.15\00:50:21.38
PO Box 6816 Spokane, WA 99217
00:50:21.42\00:50:26.86
You can call them
at, (509) 443-5666.
00:50:26.89\00:50:31.39
That's, (509) 443-5666
00:50:31.43\00:50:35.46
You can also visit
them online at 4mdp.org.
00:50:35.50\00:50:40.34
That's 4mdp.org.
00:50:40.37\00:50:45.61
If the Holy
Spirit is impressing you,
00:50:48.68\00:50:50.55
I'm sure they would
appreciate any support
00:50:50.58\00:50:52.65
that you can give them.
00:50:52.68\00:50:54.05
Jan, tell us what
your future plans are
00:50:54.08\00:50:57.75
for the Maasai
Development Project?
00:50:57.79\00:51:00.66
Well, we want to continue
expanding our lay pastors.
00:51:00.69\00:51:04.03
I said earlier
00:51:04.06\00:51:05.39
that we had stepped
out in faith and hired.
00:51:05.43\00:51:07.00
We just hired six
more, besides that one.
00:51:07.03\00:51:09.86
And that was,
that's all on faith.
00:51:09.90\00:51:12.83
And so, but we want
to continue expanding
00:51:12.87\00:51:14.94
into un-entered
areas of Maasai land.
00:51:14.97\00:51:18.31
With our centre,
we just want to--
00:51:18.34\00:51:21.88
we want to
continue growing that,
00:51:21.91\00:51:23.35
we want to expand
it to have a place
00:51:23.38\00:51:27.95
where women and widows can come.
00:51:27.98\00:51:30.29
And they can learn cookery.
00:51:30.32\00:51:33.62
We're already teaching
our children cook bakery.
00:51:33.66\00:51:35.79
We have a charcoal,
00:51:35.82\00:51:37.43
putting charcoal
in the little oven
00:51:37.46\00:51:39.39
and they're learning
how to bake and everything.
00:51:39.43\00:51:41.43
So--
00:51:41.46\00:51:42.80
This is sort of the skill
for which they could end up
00:51:42.83\00:51:44.77
actually gaining
gainful employment from.
00:51:44.80\00:51:47.27
That's right,
00:51:47.30\00:51:48.64
because where we
are out in the Mara,
00:51:48.67\00:51:52.44
there's all these tent
camps and the safari camps.
00:51:52.47\00:51:55.54
And so they can go and
get jobs as a house cleaner
00:51:55.58\00:51:58.91
or they could go as a
cook or a baker or whatever.
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So, and then we want
to give them other skills
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and just for those
who've never learnt to read,
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we want to give
them that opportunity
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to learn to read,
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so they can read the
Bible for themselves.
00:52:11.69\00:52:13.46
So when these girls grow up,
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after they've gone
through your school,
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you've seen generations now,
00:52:17.03\00:52:18.53
do they have a
totally different life
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because of the education,
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because of what
they have learnt?
00:52:22.27\00:52:25.37
Yes, they do.
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Like I said,
we're just now getting--
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We have two girls that
have just finished college.
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And we have five going
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and now next year
will have seven going
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and that are
graduating from high school,
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so this is a work,
kind of panicking here,
00:52:39.12\00:52:41.62
I mean, this is
the big growth for us
00:52:41.66\00:52:43.19
because our goal
is to see them through
00:52:43.22\00:52:45.23
as far as they can go.
00:52:45.26\00:52:47.60
Because then they come
back and help out their homes.
00:52:47.63\00:52:52.83
It makes a huge impact.
00:52:52.87\00:52:54.54
We have one young girl right now
00:52:54.57\00:52:56.20
and I'll just quickly
tell you her mother was one
00:52:56.24\00:53:00.04
that was very
supportive of us when we came.
00:53:00.08\00:53:02.04
We even gave her a job.
00:53:02.08\00:53:04.35
And the girl is now in
form three in high school.
00:53:04.38\00:53:08.85
And we--
00:53:08.88\00:53:11.15
but her mom
took her and told her
00:53:11.19\00:53:18.09
she wanted her to
come away from MDP.
00:53:18.13\00:53:21.53
And she told her mom, she goes,
00:53:21.56\00:53:23.30
"Mom, someday I am
going to become a great woman,
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and a woman of promise."
00:53:27.17\00:53:28.77
Praise God.
00:53:28.80\00:53:30.14
And she said,
"And where will you be?
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Ooh, praise the Lord.
00:53:31.91\00:53:33.58
And so, have we
made a difference?
00:53:33.61\00:53:35.54
Already. Amen.
00:53:35.58\00:53:37.21
Well, we're gonna have
to take a quick break here
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and go to a newsbreak,
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but we're gonna come
back for closing thought
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with Jan and
Terri in just a moment.
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