I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people.
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Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn.
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And we welcome you
once again to 3ABN Today.
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We are so excited to be
sharing this time with you.
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This is the mending
broken people network,
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and we want to
thank you for your love
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and your prayers and
your financial support.
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I just want to encourage
you to call anyone you know,
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who has suffered and
when I think about this,
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it's going to be
everybody you know.
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So anyone who has suffered
any kind of pain from the past
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and maybe still
holding on to it.
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Please call them
and tell them, tune in
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because today we're going
to be talking about something
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rather unique.
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It is "The Hidden
Half of the Gospel."
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And our special guest
today is Pastor Paul Coneff.
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And, Paul, we're so
thankful that you're here
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and that you're
here to share a message
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that God has given you.
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Thank you very much.
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Now you are from--
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I'm living in Texas right
now with my wife and daughter.
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And how long have you been here?
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Five years. And
from where originally?
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We grew up in
California most of my life
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and then spent six years
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in the great Northwest in Texas.
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And so now you are
in Cleburne, Texas.
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And you are the founder
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of Straight 2 the Heart
Ministries, is that correct?
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Yes. Okay.
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Well, we're very
excited to hear your story
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and to hear a unique teaching.
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It's unique in that we
don't talk about it enough.
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And you'll see
as we get into this
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but it's something that as
soon you hear it you'll go,
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"Yes, yes, I see this
everywhere in the Bible."
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The Hidden Half of the Gospel,
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something that His own apostles,
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His closest disciples
they missed this about Christ.
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It took them, it
was after Pentecost,
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I think that they
began to recognize it.
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But it's something
that we need to recognize.
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First however, we
know how you love music
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and so we have Victor Moreno,
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who is going to
play on the piano,
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one of my favorite
songs, "Just as I am."
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That was beautiful,
Victor Moreno on the piano
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playing for the glory of God.
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Well, if you're just joining us,
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our special guest
today is Paul Coneff
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and we are going
to be talking about
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the Hidden Half of the Gospel.
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I want to share a
scripture with you
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and I'm going to share this
from a paraphrase of the Bible
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that is called The Message.
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Now you never want to try
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to develop your
doctrine from a paraphrase
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because that is a
man's own interpretation
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or spin on something.
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But occasionally you
will find just a nugget,
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a jewel that will
speak to you in a paraphrase.
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And this comes from the Message,
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it's Romans 7 and we're
drawing from Romans 7:17-24
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and here's what he says.
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"I need something more!
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For if I know the law
but still can't keep it,
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and if the power of sin
within me keeps sabotaging
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my best intentions,
I obviously need help!
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I realize that I
don't have what it takes.
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I can will it,
but I can't do it.
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I can decide to do good,
but I don't really do it,
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I can decide not to do
bad, but then I do it anyway.
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Something has gone
wrong deep within me
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and gets the
better of me every time.
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I'm at the end of my rope.
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Is there no one
who can help me?"
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How often have
we felt like this?
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Of course, as Romans 8 goes on.
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He says, "Aha,
there is, therefore,
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no condemnation for
those who are in Christ Jesus."
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It is God, Who is going to
work in you to will and to do it
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and He recognizes that.
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But Paul, the angus
that Paul felt is the angst
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that I think so many
people in the church feel today.
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We know, we've
been saved by grace
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but sometimes
those old memories,
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and hurts, and wounds
of the past still haunt us
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and they hold us back
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until we get to know the
hidden half of the gospel.
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And, Paul, we want to welcome
you once again to the program
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and I'm excited
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that you're going to be
sharing this teaching today,
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we're going to just touch on it.
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Naturally, we
can't go into it deeply.
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But before we get
into what God taught you.
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Let's talk a little
bit about you growing up.
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Did you grow up
in a Christian home?
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I grew up Catholic.
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Okay, how did you work
your way from a Catholic home
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into becoming a
Seventh-day Adventist pastor?
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My dad had
people working for him,
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he's a painting contractor
and we had one of the guy
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who's a Christian
and witnessed to me
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and led me into a
prayer of salvation.
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Wonderful.
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And then was your
home a solid home,
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was this a happy childhood?
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We grew up with a lot of anger,
a lot of tension in the family,
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I have great relationship
with my dad right now.
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God's done a
lot of healing there
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and I'm really thankful for that
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but we grew up with
lot of anger and tension,
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so I grew up pretty angry.
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All right. Did
you act out on that?
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You know, as I left
home, I went to college
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and then I started
drinking and doing drugs,
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made a lot of the wrong choices.
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Didn't
understand why I was doing
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what I was doing.
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But just made a
lot of wrong choices
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alcohol, drugs,
pornography all that stuff
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and so I was and
I realized later,
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I was trying to
bury a lot of the pain
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that I didn't
know how to get rid of.
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So you were self medicating.
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Yes. Okay.
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Now how did you
get from that point
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to truly developing
that personal relationship
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with Christ,
choosing to go into ministry?
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I had a friend of mine
had led me into Bible studies
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and then I got baptized.
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And then I went to
a boarding academy,
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Montverde Academy.
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And I was really good and
ended with a college scholarship
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but I, they said I
was major in rebellion
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and they didn't have that major.
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So I said, well, then I got
to go finish my major somewhere
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and I left that.
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And so, as about
six or seven years later
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as I kept getting in
trouble with alcohol drinking
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and going to jail
for things like that.
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God finally got a hold of me
and then I went back to school,
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went back to
church, went back to school
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and became a pastor.
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All right, you
began at what 25 years ago
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as a youth
pastor, is that correct?
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Yes. What was your experience?
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Did you just expect this to be,
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"Ah, I'm going to be
dealing with a youth,
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we're going to be doing a lot
of, you know, fun activities.
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What was your experience
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when you started dealing
with the youth of the church?
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I thought we would be
doing a lot of fun outreaches,
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activities and we
did a lot of those,
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we did a lot of
witnessing, Big Brother,
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Big Sister
programs, daycare kids there,
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taking them to beach,
we did prison ministry,
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we would clean
different houses and backyards
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on Sunday mornings with
them, they get up early.
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So we did a lot of good
things and that was good
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but and I thought
we're doing Bible studies
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but what I didn't realize was,
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how much brokenness
there was in the church.
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I had kids with
alcoholic parents,
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rageaholic parents, kids
that have been sexually abused,
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physically abused,
single parent kids.
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And I didn't really
know how to minister to them.
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I knew how to move them
into ministry into outreach.
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I didn't know how to help
them get healing and freedom.
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So, but with these kids
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who might have considered
themselves saved by grace,
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they were Christian children?
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Yes.
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So, you know, this is
the point I want to make
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that I think
you're going to just,
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this will blow
your socks off today.
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I mean, I was blown
away as I was reading it
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because it's
something that, you know,
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you and I only had five minutes
to talk before the program
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and I believe
what I told you was,
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I recognize what you are saying,
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kind of like, "Ah,
well, we know this."
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But I did, it was
like, it was there
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but I'd never really
taken it all the way.
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So how did God, first explain,
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what is the Hidden
Half of the Gospel?
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I would say that it's
Jesus fulfilled prophecy
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to suffer, die and rise
again, not die and rise again.
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So His suffering was
prophesied in Isaiah,
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in the Psalms and so, over
and over again in Luke 9:22,
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He's saying I'm going to
suffer and die and rise again.
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He keeps repeating it
throughout His ministry.
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He goes up to the mountain top,
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the transfiguration and He says,
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and His Father is
telling His disciples
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listen to what He's
saying and He just told them,
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I'm going to
suffer die and rise again.
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At the last supper He says,
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I'm going to eat this
meal with you before I suffer
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and the disciples
are following Him,
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they're sincere.
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But they say great
pass to butter and the bread
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who gets to be first
place in the kingdom.
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It's just going
right over their head.
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And, in fact at one
time, Peter rebukes Him
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for going to the
cross, they didn't see a--
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They had in their
minds a militant Messiah,
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who was going to overthrow Rome,
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set up the kingdom.
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They weren't looking
for a suffering Messiah
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who would die for
them and the Romans.
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So they didn't see
this suffering Messiah
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of Isaiah 53.
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And, you know, on
the road to Emmaus,
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He's saying, "Oh
fools and slow to believe,
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didn't you know
the Messiah must suffer
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and enter in the glory."
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So after His resurrection,
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His message is
about His suffering.
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He appears to them in
the upper room and He says,
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"Didn't you
know I had to fulfill
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all the Old Testament prophecies
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and the law of Moses,
the Psalms and the prophets,
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that I would, the
Messiah would suffer,
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die and rise again.
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All right, so somebody
who is watching is saying,
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"Well, we know He
suffered on the cross?
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We know He suffered, so what?"
And I don't mean, so what?
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It's a fair question.
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It, it, I mean, it's
something that, okay,
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why put the
emphasis on the suffering?
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I don't mean so what in that.
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I don't want to
sound sacrilegious
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but someone is
saying, "Of course,
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we know He suffered,
it was a brutal death,
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but why are we calling this
the Hidden Half of the Gospel?
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We talk about Jesus
dying and rising again.
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That is generally our focus.
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Why put or why is it important
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that we recognize the
component of His suffering
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as far as our healing?"
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First, I would say because Jesus
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and all the Old
Testament prophets
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and all the New Testament
disciples and writers did.
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So there's a
Biblical foundation.
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But at the practical level,
what difference would it make,
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is a very fair question.
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And that is He,
and I tend to emphasize
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usually when I'm
teaching for short enough time
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get somebody to Calvary.
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But He was born
to an unwed mother.
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So now He can
identify with anybody born
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to an unwed
mother, He had a stepfather
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but not a
biological earthly father,
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so anybody who doesn't
know who their father is,
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he can identify,
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so suffering allows
Him according to Hebrews,
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He suffered being tempted
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to be made like you
and me in every way.
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So He could be
tempted in all points
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so that He could help us.
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So if I'm dealing with someone,
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let's say they're
alone and abandoned.
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Because I'm a pastor, I'm
also marriage family therapist
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and they say
I've been abandoned.
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Jesus fulfilled
prophecy being alone
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and abandoned by
those closest to Him
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in His time of
need in the garden.
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If I'm dealing with somebody
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who's been betrayed by an affair
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and we see that all the time,
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we don't like it but
it's part of the world.
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I have Jesus betrayed by a
kiss for the price of a slave,
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human trafficking
is huge right now.
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He was betrayed by a
kiss for the price of a slave.
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So if we're working
with one of those victims.
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We have a Jesus
betrayed by a kiss
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for the price of a
slave, stripped naked.
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Matthew uses the word,
they stripped His clothes off,
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physically violated,
verbally and mentally abused
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by groups of men
in power over Him.
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So now we have a Jesus
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with the power of
personal identification
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who can say, "I've
been where you've been,
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I've trusted My Father,
I've suffered like you suffered,
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therefore I'm
inviting you to trust Me
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because I chose to go
through what you went through.
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If you're asking why?
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Jesus on the cross
crying out, "My God, My God,
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why have You forsaken Me?"
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For those who are addicted,
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He was tempted in
enormous pain on the cross
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with an alcoholic,
a wine vinegar mix.
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That's behind every to,
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you know, we
started talking about,
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I was self
medicating my anger, my pain.
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Guess what, Jesus
was tempted to do,
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so He could be
tempted like me in all ways.
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Amen, amen.
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So what we're
saying then is that,
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the first half of
the gospel is recognizing
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that Christ died for
our sins that He rose again,
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that we may be saved by grace,
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if we receive
this gift of salvation
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that then He works in us
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to willing to do
His good pleasure.
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We know these things
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and you are
dealing with children
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who know these and your ministry
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with Straight 2
the Heart Ministry,
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you have been
dealing with a lot of people
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who accept the
salvation of Christ.
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Yet, what we're saying
is like the as the disciples
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did not recognized that
he was supposed to suffer,
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although it had been prophesied
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throughout the Bible.
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Though Christ told them
repeatedly, I will suffer.
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You're saying that there
was a reason for His suffering.
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And that reason was so
that He could identify,
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He could be tempted in every way
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in which we are tempted.
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And knowing that if we accept
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that the second half of
the gospel is recognizing,
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He suffered not just
part for our salvation
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but for our healing, is
this what you're saying?
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Exactly. Okay.
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Because if we have
somebody and I use my example,
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I'm in the world, I
grew up, I accepted Christ,
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I was very
sincere and then I leave,
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it's often because I haven't
gotten healing and freedom.
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I was very
interested in spiritual things
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and I see it in
kids, I see it in adults.
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So I need forgiveness.
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I would say that a lot
of Christians are getting
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a lot of forgiveness
but not a lot of freedom.
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And so I have found
that the two main pillars
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that I emphasize is two
things, one, Jesus suffered
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because of power of
personal identification
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really hits home with
people when I work with them.
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And imagine you
had a group of women
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that had been sexually abused
when they're in the group.
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Different, they've been
molested by different ages,
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different
times, different people
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but they all had
one thing in common,
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they've been
physically violated.
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Yes.
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They can understand each
other because they all know
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the pain and shame
that goes with it, right?
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Now, have a man
go in their group,
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what happens to
the level of safety?
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Yeah. It's going to go down.
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Not unless say the
man is safe. But why?
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Because if he
can't identify with them,
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the trust isn't
going to be there.
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So Jesus is suffering
so we can say I trust You.
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And Hebrews says, "He was
made like us in every way,
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which leaves no exceptions,
tempted like us at all points."
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Again the writer of
Hebrews is using word language
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that allows no exceptions.
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So He could say to me, Paul,
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I know what it's
like to go through anger,
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to go through violence.
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I know what it's like to
be tempted to numb my pain,
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so I can not only forgive you,
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which is critically important
that He died for my sins,
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my bitterness, my
anger, my medicating.
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But He could heal
me and set me free
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which just
happen to be His gospel.
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Amen, amen.
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So you have over
the last 25 years
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in response to a
young group of Christians
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who believe they were
saved but they weren't healed.
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You know, Jesus said that,
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"The thief comes only to
steal, kill and destroy."
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John 10:10, "But I have
come that they may have life
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and have it more abundantly."
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And sometimes we can feel saved
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but we don't feel that we are
experiencing that abundant life
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because there is still a
root of a problem somewhere.
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I mentioned to you just
and I just have to tell you,
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Paul has written a book
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and I did not have the time
to get all the way through it,
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but I spent about an hour
in your book yesterday evening.
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And I was blown away
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because the book is called
The Hidden Half of the Gospel.
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How His
suffering can heal yours.
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The first thought I
had was of my sister.
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My sister, God delivered
her from cocaine and heroine.
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I mean just overnight,
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she went from what
they call hard ball
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where they mix them
together and inject this.
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He delivered her from
those drugs overnight.
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She accepted Him as her savior.
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And as long as she
was really focused in
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on staying close to
the Lord, she was okay.
00:20:55.18\00:20:58.05
But if she ever
released the pressure
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that she put on herself.
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And I didn't recognize
this till she died actually,
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I'm just telling you.
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I did not realize she had
been delivered from her drugs
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but she never been healed
of the root of the problem.
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My sister was gang
raped by 13 Hell's Angels
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when she was in
her middle teen years.
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And it took her so many years
to even tell me about that.
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This was the underlying
cause for her self medicating.
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She liked to feel subdued
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so she wouldn't
think about that.
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And here after nearly
well, 30 years of healing,
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I saw her one day take Benadryl.
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But she took too much
to the point where it did
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and I said, "Why do you do this?
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God's healed you, you're not,
you're not an addict anymore."
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She said, "You know your
sister likes to feel subdued,
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I don't want to
think about this."
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And I didn't know, I mean
when I was reading your method,
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your T, putting the cross,
00:22:02.12\00:22:03.79
what you put on one
side and one on the other.
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I thought this
could have saved--
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This could have
brought my sister the freedom
00:22:08.26\00:22:10.69
that she needed.
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So take us through an example
or just tell us about the T.
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How over 25 years you
started, God was showing you,
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He healed you, He's given
you this incredible ministry.
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You're no longer a pastor,
00:22:24.41\00:22:26.88
you're working in
full time ministry
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training other pastors.
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Just give us a little more,
we've got about 25 minutes.
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Tell us a little
more how this works?
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Well, when I started
with youth group I said,
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"God, how do I--
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I know that they are Christians,
00:22:40.52\00:22:41.89
I know I'm a Christian,
how do I get healing?"
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And He said, "I just want--
00:22:43.36\00:22:44.69
I want, how do I help these
kids with their brokenness?"
00:22:44.73\00:22:46.59
And some of the
adults I was working with.
00:22:46.63\00:22:48.03
And God said, "Let
me deal with you first."
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And I said, "No, God,
00:22:49.43\00:22:50.77
I got four years of
pastoral ministry major.
00:22:50.80\00:22:52.60
I'm here to pastor,
I just want to help."
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He goes, "Now let's
deal with something."
00:22:54.57\00:22:55.90
I said, "No,
that's all in the past,
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I put it on the past."
00:22:57.31\00:22:58.64
God said, "No, it's not."
00:22:58.67\00:23:00.01
So we argued for a few
months and finally God won.
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But now here all the time
00:23:02.28\00:23:03.61
people tell me it's in the past.
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And so, God started
dealing with some of the things
00:23:05.01\00:23:06.88
in my life because I've
forgiven people in my life
00:23:06.92\00:23:09.05
that had hurt me
for their behaviors.
00:23:09.08\00:23:10.99
What I hadn't
realized is the two pillars
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like I mentioned early,
00:23:13.25\00:23:14.59
one of them is His
suffering, that's critical,
00:23:14.62\00:23:15.96
that's the
foundation of everything we do
00:23:15.99\00:23:17.53
is to connect his story
with your sister's story.
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For example, and you've
got Jesus stripped naked,
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physically violated,
00:23:24.97\00:23:26.30
chained and humiliated
by groups of men over Him.
00:23:26.33\00:23:29.37
And then He's
tempted to numb His pain.
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This is your sister's story.
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So we're gonna start praying
Jesus' story into her story,
00:23:32.67\00:23:35.78
so we move from the
information to the application,
00:23:35.81\00:23:38.41
so it moves from here.
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It's a process that
takes place overtime.
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But that power of personal
identification really helps.
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But the other part, the
other pillar we have is,
00:23:44.72\00:23:47.02
Satan is called
the father of lies,
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Jesus didn't call him
the father of bad behavior.
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He's a
grandfather of bad behavior,
00:23:50.86\00:23:52.83
that's what I would say.
00:23:52.86\00:23:54.26
He's responsible,
he's a father of lies
00:23:54.30\00:23:56.20
and we know the Bible says
00:23:56.23\00:23:57.93
as a man thinks in
his heart so is he.
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So if your sister goes
through that experience,
00:24:00.74\00:24:03.14
the devil sets
her up to get hurt.
00:24:03.17\00:24:04.91
And then he puts
lies in her heart,
00:24:04.94\00:24:06.27
I'm bad, I'm no
good, I'm worthless.
00:24:06.31\00:24:08.58
Every time she
thinks about that gang rape,
00:24:08.61\00:24:12.18
it's a negative experience
00:24:12.21\00:24:13.55
because of the
negative thoughts.
00:24:13.58\00:24:15.02
So what kind of
feelings is she gonna have?
00:24:15.05\00:24:16.79
Negative.
00:24:16.82\00:24:18.15
Is she gonna want to be present
00:24:18.19\00:24:19.52
with those
feelings of being powerless,
00:24:19.55\00:24:21.02
helpless,
ashamed and humiliated?
00:24:21.06\00:24:22.76
No.
00:24:22.79\00:24:24.13
So we're gonna go medicate,
it's not just her story,
00:24:24.16\00:24:26.19
it's my story and my
experience and many peoples.
00:24:26.23\00:24:28.96
So we want to deal with
what are the negative thoughts?
00:24:29.00\00:24:31.37
Because first Satan attacks us,
00:24:31.40\00:24:33.23
sets us up to be
hurt and puts lies in it.
00:24:33.27\00:24:35.30
And he doesn't
speak like you and I
00:24:35.34\00:24:36.67
are talking back and
forth a new language.
00:24:36.71\00:24:38.37
He uses first person
language, so I get a thought,
00:24:38.41\00:24:40.94
I'm bad, I'm rejected.
00:24:40.98\00:24:43.61
I begin to believe,
now that's a root system.
00:24:43.65\00:24:45.75
It grows up in a
negative feelings
00:24:45.78\00:24:47.25
and then I turned it,
00:24:47.28\00:24:48.62
I start leaving Jesus and
I start turning to alcohol
00:24:48.65\00:24:50.99
and drugs and porn and
stuff and not even knowing why.
00:24:51.02\00:24:53.66
So then I confessed my
behavior what I've done
00:24:53.69\00:24:56.16
or what others have done,
I forgive for their behavior.
00:24:56.19\00:24:58.69
I never deal
with the belief system
00:24:58.73\00:25:00.50
behind the behavior, the root.
00:25:00.53\00:25:02.20
And ironically, Jesus
is called the root of David
00:25:02.23\00:25:05.13
and the root of Jesse.
00:25:05.17\00:25:06.50
So He's the root of our healing.
00:25:06.53\00:25:08.07
So we want to
say like your sister,
00:25:08.10\00:25:10.61
what are the negative
thoughts that you have?
00:25:10.64\00:25:13.38
I'm bad, I'm
rejected, I'm powerless.
00:25:13.41\00:25:16.61
Let's say those
were her thoughts.
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Then we want to
go, Jesus was alone,
00:25:18.15\00:25:20.38
abandoned, betrayed,
00:25:20.42\00:25:21.98
abused, stripped
naked, physically violated,
00:25:22.02\00:25:24.49
all those
experiences we've talked about.
00:25:24.52\00:25:26.35
Where was Jesus
tempted with her same thoughts?
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Then we take that information
00:25:30.66\00:25:32.16
and she'd
probably go to betrayed,
00:25:32.19\00:25:33.76
abuse, stripped naked,
tempted to numb His pain.
00:25:33.80\00:25:36.77
Then we would start
praying, "Dear Heavenly Father,
00:25:36.80\00:25:40.17
thank You that
Jesus fulfilled prophecy
00:25:40.20\00:25:42.60
according to Your
word, to suffer like me,
00:25:42.64\00:25:47.41
when He was stripped naked,
00:25:47.44\00:25:48.78
when He was physically violated,
00:25:48.81\00:25:50.55
betrayed, verbally
and mentally abused
00:25:50.58\00:25:52.55
by men in power over Him
and tempted to numb His pain,
00:25:52.58\00:25:55.28
so He could take
into His suffering
00:25:55.32\00:25:56.85
and death on the cross
all the ways I was gang raped,
00:25:56.89\00:26:00.16
physically violated
by men in power over me.
00:26:00.19\00:26:02.86
All the negative
thoughts that I'm bad
00:26:02.89\00:26:04.96
and I'm powerless.
00:26:04.99\00:26:06.80
And all the ways He was
tempted to numb His pain,
00:26:06.83\00:26:09.16
so He could take into
His death all the ways
00:26:09.20\00:26:11.67
I am now numbing my pain.
00:26:11.70\00:26:13.44
Thank You for
raising Him from the dead.
00:26:13.47\00:26:16.84
To heal me, set me free,
break all sexual bonding,
00:26:16.87\00:26:20.71
all trauma bonding with
that negative experience
00:26:20.74\00:26:23.58
and replacing it with my truest,
00:26:23.61\00:26:25.61
deepest identity.
00:26:25.65\00:26:27.22
As Your daughter receiving
Your purity and Your peace.
00:26:27.25\00:26:32.05
So we want her to
receive the purity of Jesus.
00:26:32.09\00:26:34.92
And I pray with women
that have been sexually abused
00:26:34.96\00:26:36.79
and men 'cause there are
a lot of men that have been.
00:26:36.83\00:26:39.53
We want to take
them into their truest,
00:26:39.56\00:26:40.90
deepest identity
00:26:40.93\00:26:42.26
so they are receiving
the end goal which is purity.
00:26:42.30\00:26:45.03
So that they don't
forget what happened,
00:26:45.07\00:26:47.80
but Jesus not only removes
00:26:47.84\00:26:49.17
the negative
power of the experience,
00:26:49.20\00:26:51.17
the negative
thoughts and feelings
00:26:51.21\00:26:52.54
but He replaces it
00:26:52.57\00:26:53.91
with the power of
His purity in peace.
00:26:53.94\00:26:55.28
And that's when we
start seeing transformation.
00:26:55.31\00:26:57.58
And that's when they
start moving into ministry
00:26:57.61\00:26:59.35
with a testimony.
00:26:59.38\00:27:00.72
And now those terrible
things that happened to them,
00:27:00.75\00:27:03.25
God uses to share a testimony
and to minister to others."
00:27:03.28\00:27:06.35
So tell us about some
of the success stories
00:27:06.39\00:27:08.76
that you've seen
because the book and as I said,
00:27:08.79\00:27:12.09
I've only got maybe a fourth
of the way through the book
00:27:12.13\00:27:15.90
but in the book you're using
the stories of several people.
00:27:15.93\00:27:19.33
I mean, this book
is very practical.
00:27:19.37\00:27:21.54
And I love the way
in which it's written
00:27:21.57\00:27:23.41
because the
teaching is interwoven
00:27:23.44\00:27:26.41
with stories and the
stories actually help bring out
00:27:26.44\00:27:31.75
the truth of the teaching.
00:27:31.78\00:27:33.18
So you can see this immediately.
00:27:33.21\00:27:35.18
Because sometimes
00:27:35.22\00:27:36.82
we can sound rather clinically
without that, I think.
00:27:36.85\00:27:39.29
Yeah, or
theological. Or theological.
00:27:39.32\00:27:41.42
And the
information is good. Yeah.
00:27:41.46\00:27:43.73
So tell us why did
you write the book?
00:27:43.76\00:27:47.36
I mean, you've been doing
this now for how many years?
00:27:47.40\00:27:50.60
When did you began straighten?
00:27:50.63\00:27:51.97
About 25 years ago
00:27:52.00\00:27:53.64
is when I started
writing a cross in the book,
00:27:53.67\00:27:55.34
you had mention the T.
00:27:55.37\00:27:56.71
I start, I put a
cross in the border
00:27:56.74\00:27:58.37
and I put their story
in a left hand column,
00:27:58.41\00:28:00.14
whether it's
sins, brokenness, abuse,
00:28:00.18\00:28:02.34
what they've done or
what others have done to them.
00:28:02.38\00:28:04.51
On the right hand
side of the cross,
00:28:04.55\00:28:06.21
I start writing Jesus'
story from Gethsemane to Calvary
00:28:06.25\00:28:09.18
so we can connect.
00:28:09.22\00:28:10.55
So every story in the
book has three chapters.
00:28:10.59\00:28:13.46
First is their story,
their struggles, their abuse,
00:28:13.49\00:28:15.86
their addiction,
abandonment, betrayal.
00:28:15.89\00:28:18.03
The second
chapter in their story
00:28:18.06\00:28:19.46
is the
prophecies Jesus fulfilled
00:28:19.49\00:28:21.60
to identify with them.
00:28:21.63\00:28:22.96
And at the end of that chapter,
00:28:23.00\00:28:24.33
we have that T or that cross
00:28:24.37\00:28:26.20
where their story is
in the left hand side
00:28:26.23\00:28:28.44
and Jesus' story
is in the left hand.
00:28:28.47\00:28:29.94
If it was your sister,
00:28:29.97\00:28:31.31
there would be
what we talked about.
00:28:31.34\00:28:32.71
How she was gang raped,
how she learned to believe
00:28:32.74\00:28:35.58
she's bad and powerless
and learn to medicate her pain.
00:28:35.61\00:28:38.41
On the right hand would
be Jesus was stripped naked,
00:28:38.45\00:28:40.62
physically violated.
00:28:40.65\00:28:41.98
He was tempted to
medicate His pain into believing
00:28:42.02\00:28:44.19
He was powerless
and that He was bad.
00:28:44.22\00:28:46.72
So He needed to medicate,
00:28:46.76\00:28:48.09
instead He
trusted in His father.
00:28:48.12\00:28:49.86
Okay, so, Paul, let me
see if I'm catching this
00:28:49.89\00:28:51.83
because are you
saying essentially
00:28:51.86\00:28:55.80
that we can all believe
that Christ nailed our sins,
00:28:55.83\00:29:01.00
I mean that He
was, He carried our sins
00:29:01.04\00:29:04.57
and He was nailed to the cross.
00:29:04.61\00:29:05.94
So that is something
00:29:05.97\00:29:07.34
that we can accept
His salvation if you will.
00:29:07.38\00:29:11.58
But are you saying,
00:29:11.61\00:29:12.95
He also was bearing
all of our suffering
00:29:12.98\00:29:17.09
which was nailed to the cross
00:29:17.12\00:29:18.52
and if we accept that
we're accepting freedom?
00:29:18.55\00:29:21.82
Yes. Yes. Is that
what you're saying?
00:29:21.86\00:29:24.06
It is a process 'cause
we want to pray Jesus' story
00:29:24.09\00:29:26.59
in another person story.
00:29:26.63\00:29:28.36
But you and I
know many Christians
00:29:28.40\00:29:30.03
like your sister or like myself,
00:29:30.07\00:29:31.60
we sincerely accept Christ.
00:29:31.63\00:29:32.97
There's no question
about our sincerity.
00:29:33.00\00:29:36.00
But then we get baptized,
we see some things going on
00:29:36.04\00:29:38.84
and then stuff comes,
starts coming back later
00:29:38.87\00:29:40.61
and we go, "Why
is this coming back?
00:29:40.64\00:29:42.41
I accepted Jesus for
six months, it's been good.
00:29:42.44\00:29:44.88
It's that root system.
00:29:44.91\00:29:46.25
If those belief
systems are there,
00:29:46.28\00:29:48.92
they're gonna
create negative feelings,
00:29:48.95\00:29:50.55
I mean the apostle, not Paul--
00:29:50.59\00:29:53.09
David in Psalms 51
00:29:53.12\00:29:54.46
after his sexual
sin with Bathsheba,
00:29:54.49\00:29:55.96
he writes this
beautiful psalm and he says,
00:29:55.99\00:29:58.06
"Put truth in my
innermost parts."
00:29:58.09\00:29:59.49
Yeah. Beautiful, right?
00:29:59.53\00:30:00.86
That's what we want 'cause
we have truth in our heart.
00:30:00.90\00:30:02.80
That's what will live, right?
00:30:02.83\00:30:04.50
But then he says, "Wash
me and cleanse me, purge me."
00:30:04.53\00:30:07.94
So they have to
get truth in our heart,
00:30:07.97\00:30:09.77
we have to have a
purging and a cleansing.
00:30:09.80\00:30:11.77
And I believe it's
those negative thoughts
00:30:11.81\00:30:14.28
from the father of lies
that keeps us in the living,
00:30:14.31\00:30:16.78
what I call the cycle
of sin and forgiveness.
00:30:16.81\00:30:18.71
I get forgiveness, I
take my bad apples and I said,
00:30:18.75\00:30:21.05
"God, I'm
struggling with anger, porn,
00:30:21.08\00:30:22.75
food, whatever it is.
00:30:22.78\00:30:24.32
Please forgive me, I'm sincere."
00:30:24.35\00:30:26.19
So what does God
do? He forgives me.
00:30:26.22\00:30:28.29
But the root system's there,
so if the root system is alive,
00:30:28.32\00:30:30.83
what's the tree gonna reproduce?
00:30:30.86\00:30:32.69
More apples.
00:30:32.73\00:30:34.06
So I say, "God, here's my anger,
00:30:34.10\00:30:35.43
my food, my porn again."
00:30:35.46\00:30:37.47
After we do this
like 50 or 100 times,
00:30:37.50\00:30:39.47
what happens to my faith
00:30:39.50\00:30:40.84
when I'm getting
a lot of forgiveness
00:30:40.87\00:30:42.20
and I'm very sincere in
confessing my behaviors.
00:30:42.24\00:30:44.47
But I don't know that
Satan is the father of lies.
00:30:44.51\00:30:47.54
I don't know I have to
deal with the belief systems
00:30:47.58\00:30:49.74
and I keep
repeating the pattern,
00:30:49.78\00:30:51.15
what happens to my faith?
00:30:51.18\00:30:52.61
Yeah. It starts going down.
00:30:52.65\00:30:54.48
And this is not a
lack of sincerity.
00:30:54.52\00:30:56.75
But I believe we have to take
all of Jesus' words about sin
00:30:56.79\00:30:59.69
and suffering that
Satan is the father of lies.
00:30:59.72\00:31:02.19
And that He suffered
and as we connect our story
00:31:02.22\00:31:04.33
with Jesus' story
and begin praying.
00:31:04.36\00:31:07.70
And women praying with
women and men praying with men
00:31:07.73\00:31:10.07
and walking with
them through this journey.
00:31:10.10\00:31:12.17
We see them start
to get that freedom
00:31:12.20\00:31:13.94
where it moves from here to here
00:31:13.97\00:31:16.40
and then they move into
minister their testimony.
00:31:16.44\00:31:18.61
Share a little
bit about Lindsay?
00:31:18.64\00:31:20.84
Lindsey was my co-writer.
00:31:20.88\00:31:22.38
I did a training in her church
and she came to get prayer.
00:31:22.41\00:31:26.28
She'd grown up
abandoned by her mother
00:31:26.31\00:31:28.18
when she was in her teen years.
00:31:28.22\00:31:29.55
She tells her story
00:31:29.58\00:31:30.92
and she now
actually has her own book
00:31:30.95\00:31:32.29
that just came out
telling her whole story.
00:31:32.32\00:31:35.32
But she came and she
had in her teenage years
00:31:35.36\00:31:37.96
straight A student, top student
00:31:37.99\00:31:39.53
but her mom had an
affair with somebody,
00:31:39.56\00:31:41.06
got pregnant, it
blew up the marriage,
00:31:41.10\00:31:42.63
a lot of tension in the family.
00:31:42.66\00:31:44.30
She went off to
college depressed,
00:31:44.33\00:31:47.00
feeling abandoned,
00:31:47.04\00:31:48.37
her belief
system is I'm abandoned,
00:31:48.40\00:31:49.80
I'm powerless, I
can't trust anybody.
00:31:49.84\00:31:52.34
She goes to
college, her grades plummet
00:31:52.37\00:31:54.18
because of her depression.
00:31:54.21\00:31:55.54
Somebody takes her to
some Christian weekend
00:31:55.58\00:31:57.25
and she says, "All I
got was Christian cliches,
00:31:57.28\00:32:00.22
lots of models and slogans.
00:32:00.25\00:32:01.78
But nothing to
help my deep pain."
00:32:01.82\00:32:04.15
And she goes, "If
that's it, I'm done."
00:32:04.19\00:32:06.55
And she went and
overdosed on pills,
00:32:06.59\00:32:08.39
told an ex-boyfriend,
he told the police,
00:32:08.42\00:32:10.49
they went and found her
and that saved her life.
00:32:10.53\00:32:13.26
So she thought she
dealt with it was in her past,
00:32:13.29\00:32:15.43
she went through my
training and she comes up
00:32:15.46\00:32:17.37
and she says,
"Hey, as we're praying,
00:32:17.40\00:32:19.17
is there anything keeping me
from receiving more freedom."
00:32:19.20\00:32:21.74
It was your day timer and
she was using her day timer
00:32:21.77\00:32:25.07
like I used alcohol
to self medicate in drugs
00:32:25.11\00:32:28.34
or your sister did.
00:32:28.38\00:32:29.78
She was usually a day
timer, she could fill that up
00:32:29.81\00:32:31.91
and be busy and be in
control, she would feel safe.
00:32:31.95\00:32:34.58
So we started dealing
with those belief systems
00:32:34.62\00:32:37.02
and connecting
her story to Jesus.
00:32:37.05\00:32:38.85
And you know what?
00:32:38.89\00:32:40.22
Jesus was abandoned
00:32:40.26\00:32:42.02
in His greatest time
of need in the garden
00:32:42.06\00:32:44.43
when He says, "I need you,"
00:32:44.46\00:32:45.79
by those closest to
Him so He can identify.
00:32:45.83\00:32:47.80
Was He tempted to believe,
He couldn't trust anybody.
00:32:47.83\00:32:50.67
Hebrew says, He was tempted
in all points like Lindsay.
00:32:50.70\00:32:54.47
And so we connected
her story to Jesus' story.
00:32:54.50\00:32:57.61
We kept praying with her,
00:32:57.64\00:32:58.97
she got a lot of
healing and freedom.
00:32:59.01\00:33:00.34
She started
disciplining other women,
00:33:00.38\00:33:02.14
some of them they got baptized.
00:33:02.18\00:33:03.91
She ended up helping me
on the book which is great
00:33:03.95\00:33:06.31
'cause I don't like
writing and she loves writing.
00:33:06.35\00:33:08.68
So she wanted her book in print,
00:33:08.72\00:33:11.25
her name in print by
28 and I said, "You're--
00:33:11.29\00:33:14.79
The content is mine
00:33:14.82\00:33:16.16
but you're doing a
lot of the great writing.
00:33:16.19\00:33:18.03
So I want your name
to be on the front."
00:33:18.06\00:33:20.76
The month she turned 28
00:33:20.80\00:33:22.13
was the month
that the book came out.
00:33:22.16\00:33:23.90
Praise the Lord.
00:33:23.93\00:33:25.27
And now she was
afraid to have family,
00:33:25.30\00:33:26.84
she was married
00:33:26.87\00:33:28.20
but afraid to have a
family because she's thinking,
00:33:28.24\00:33:29.74
"I don't want to do to my family
00:33:29.77\00:33:31.11
what happened to me."
00:33:31.14\00:33:32.64
So guess what?
00:33:32.67\00:33:34.01
God, as we were
praying one of the things
00:33:34.04\00:33:35.38
that she realized
was I don't want a PhD,
00:33:35.41\00:33:38.05
I want a family and her
husband was pretty happy.
00:33:38.08\00:33:40.28
Before the book was printed,
00:33:40.32\00:33:41.68
she was pregnant
with her first son
00:33:41.72\00:33:43.05
and she just had
her second sunset.
00:33:43.08\00:33:45.92
So God real, it's
not that a PhD is bad
00:33:45.95\00:33:48.62
but God was letting her
realize the desires of her heart
00:33:48.66\00:33:51.96
to be a mother.
00:33:51.99\00:33:53.33
But first, she had to deal
with those negative thoughts,
00:33:53.36\00:33:55.73
"If I have a child
00:33:55.76\00:33:57.40
maybe I'll blow my family
up like it happened to me."
00:33:57.43\00:33:59.63
Okay.
00:33:59.67\00:34:01.00
So you are training,
00:34:01.04\00:34:03.04
we're gonna go
into a few more stories,
00:34:03.07\00:34:04.41
but I want to emphasize this.
00:34:04.44\00:34:05.91
You are now doing
seminars, I know, doctor,
00:34:05.94\00:34:09.24
you just came from Neil Nedley's
00:34:09.28\00:34:10.91
or you recently did
something with Dr. Neil Nedley.
00:34:10.95\00:34:13.98
Tell us about that?
00:34:14.02\00:34:15.35
Yeah, he has emotional
intelligence summit every year.
00:34:15.38\00:34:18.35
He's doing a great job
with depression the way out
00:34:18.39\00:34:20.46
and different programs,
he has different speakers.
00:34:20.49\00:34:22.59
I had the opportunity
to present five times there
00:34:22.62\00:34:24.76
on manipulation, on
trauma, PTSD, abuse, suffering,
00:34:24.79\00:34:29.03
the why question,
going through Job.
00:34:29.06\00:34:31.27
And, but I like to do trainings
for pastors and members
00:34:31.30\00:34:34.90
because pastors
are in the frontline.
00:34:34.94\00:34:36.74
And they often tell me,
00:34:36.77\00:34:38.11
"I didn't know how to
deal with brokenness."
00:34:38.14\00:34:39.47
And I go, "That's my story."
00:34:39.51\00:34:40.88
I walk into adults and kids
00:34:40.91\00:34:43.38
that are dealing with brokenness
00:34:43.41\00:34:44.75
and I didn't
know how to help them.
00:34:44.78\00:34:46.11
So we want to train people
how to connect Jesus' story
00:34:46.15\00:34:50.29
with the person's story
00:34:50.32\00:34:51.65
and start praying
Jesus' story into them
00:34:51.69\00:34:53.15
and disciplining them.
00:34:53.19\00:34:54.76
So Straight 2 the Heart
00:34:54.79\00:34:56.26
and that's with a
straight in the number,
00:34:56.29\00:34:59.16
numeral 2 Straight to the Heart.
00:34:59.19\00:35:02.50
This ministry you have--
00:35:02.53\00:35:04.80
There's a wonderful website
called straighttotheheart.com
00:35:04.83\00:35:08.30
where you can go
and find resources.
00:35:08.34\00:35:10.37
But what you are doing,
00:35:10.41\00:35:12.21
when you say you're
working with pastors,
00:35:12.24\00:35:14.14
do you just go for
conference meetings
00:35:14.18\00:35:16.04
to work with the pastors
00:35:16.08\00:35:17.41
or how do you work with pastors?
00:35:17.45\00:35:18.78
Sometimes I'll talk to a
group of pastors in an area
00:35:18.81\00:35:20.78
under that
conference of that area.
00:35:20.82\00:35:22.52
And then those
who are interested,
00:35:22.55\00:35:23.89
I'll start training them,
00:35:23.92\00:35:25.25
I have a five day
training where we teach them
00:35:25.29\00:35:26.62
so that if they're abandoned,
00:35:26.65\00:35:27.99
betrayed, abused that we
can begin working with them
00:35:28.02\00:35:30.19
and they feel confident
that they can lead people
00:35:30.23\00:35:32.63
into deeper healing and freedom.
00:35:32.66\00:35:34.16
You know, I think
that's so exciting
00:35:34.20\00:35:35.53
because one thing
that most people know,
00:35:35.56\00:35:39.53
pastor may have all
kinds of theological knowledge,
00:35:39.57\00:35:43.64
he may have real
heart knowledge of Jesus.
00:35:43.67\00:35:45.74
But quite often, there
is not been the emphasis
00:35:45.77\00:35:48.94
on counseling if you will.
00:35:48.98\00:35:52.08
They don't know how to reach out
00:35:52.11\00:35:54.02
and touch that and it's always,
00:35:54.05\00:35:56.25
we have a prayer line
here and people are saying,
00:35:56.28\00:35:58.82
"Well, my pastor
doesn't know how to counsel.
00:35:58.85\00:36:01.02
He doesn't really counsel."
00:36:01.06\00:36:02.92
So I think it's wonderful
that you're doing that.
00:36:02.96\00:36:05.89
But the other part of that is
00:36:05.93\00:36:08.56
you are also teaching people
00:36:08.60\00:36:13.13
who've kind of gone
through the process themselves
00:36:13.17\00:36:16.37
how to minister to
others, is that correct?
00:36:16.40\00:36:19.94
Is that what the
website's all about?
00:36:19.97\00:36:21.84
Yeah, what I tell people
is that when I do a training,
00:36:21.88\00:36:24.25
if I need my marriage
family therapy license
00:36:24.28\00:36:26.08
at any time during
the training I failed.
00:36:26.11\00:36:28.72
Oh, that's good.
00:36:28.75\00:36:30.09
Because people don't have
time to go get a graduate degree
00:36:30.12\00:36:32.32
and 3,000 hours of
supervised counseling
00:36:32.35\00:36:34.42
and then come back
5 or 6 years later.
00:36:34.46\00:36:36.39
I tell them if
what I do is biblical.
00:36:36.42\00:36:38.16
And it's got to be
biblical and scriptural.
00:36:38.19\00:36:40.16
If it's biblical, if it's simple
00:36:40.20\00:36:42.26
and it's reproducible
then I'm successful.
00:36:42.30\00:36:45.57
So in other words,
if they can do what I do
00:36:45.60\00:36:47.17
because I want to
multiply disciples.
00:36:47.20\00:36:48.70
My passion is that we
would have small groups of men
00:36:48.74\00:36:51.47
praying with men,
00:36:51.51\00:36:52.84
small groups of
women walking with women
00:36:52.87\00:36:54.68
like your sister or like Lindsay
00:36:54.71\00:36:56.75
through a one month,
two month, three months,
00:36:56.78\00:36:58.51
whatever it takes
where we're walking with them
00:36:58.55\00:37:00.55
like Jesus walked
with His disciples.
00:37:00.58\00:37:02.62
And they come out
ready to share their story
00:37:02.65\00:37:05.65
and move into ministry.
00:37:05.69\00:37:07.02
How important is the prayer
component in this process?
00:37:07.06\00:37:10.56
It's very important
00:37:10.59\00:37:11.93
because we really
don't do counseling.
00:37:11.96\00:37:13.36
It's really prayer
ministry and discipleship.
00:37:13.40\00:37:15.56
So we want Christ to be
the wonderful counselor.
00:37:15.60\00:37:18.27
We have a list of negative
thoughts they can choose from
00:37:18.30\00:37:20.27
to help him get started
but then we pray and we start.
00:37:20.30\00:37:22.00
But you're not
really counseling people,
00:37:22.04\00:37:23.77
you are leading
them to their Savior.
00:37:23.81\00:37:27.44
You're just showing them
how He suffered in a like way
00:37:27.48\00:37:31.68
and they get that emotional
identification with that.
00:37:31.71\00:37:34.52
But then you're allowing
Jesus to do the healing.
00:37:34.55\00:37:36.99
Yes.
00:37:37.02\00:37:38.35
And so they know it, I
have never, I tell people
00:37:38.39\00:37:39.72
I have never healed anybody.
00:37:39.75\00:37:41.09
But I've been able to
watch God do a lot of healing.
00:37:41.12\00:37:42.96
So we want them when
they're not around, they go,
00:37:42.99\00:37:44.86
"Oh, no, where is Paul?
00:37:44.89\00:37:46.23
Or where is Shelley?"
00:37:46.26\00:37:47.60
We want them to
go, "Oh, wait a minute,
00:37:47.63\00:37:48.96
I can pray to God
and I can ask God,
00:37:49.00\00:37:50.33
what are the negative thoughts
what Christ identifies?"
00:37:50.37\00:37:52.20
So we want them to have
a relationship with God.
00:37:52.23\00:37:54.97
So we're
interdependent with them,
00:37:55.00\00:37:56.97
not codependent
in the sense of them
00:37:57.01\00:37:58.51
becoming dependent on us.
00:37:58.54\00:38:00.18
We want them to move two men,
00:38:00.21\00:38:02.18
Jesus taught the
disciples to go two by two.
00:38:02.21\00:38:04.48
We want two women
ministering together
00:38:04.51\00:38:06.01
and two men.
00:38:06.05\00:38:07.38
So we want
prayer teams developing
00:38:07.42\00:38:09.28
that can multiply disciples
00:38:09.32\00:38:10.65
and we're seeing
baptisms from it too as well,
00:38:10.69\00:38:12.85
so their spiritual fruit.
00:38:12.89\00:38:14.59
Right, tell us about the--
00:38:14.62\00:38:16.29
Tell us a little
bit about the book.
00:38:16.32\00:38:17.93
You wrote the book I assume
so that you can duplicate this
00:38:17.96\00:38:21.80
that you can
have people out there
00:38:21.83\00:38:24.00
who are growing in
these prayer teams.
00:38:24.03\00:38:26.63
Tell us how the book
is organized and what...
00:38:26.67\00:38:29.00
Tell us about the book?
There are nine main stories.
00:38:29.04\00:38:31.77
We do an
introductory story with someone
00:38:31.81\00:38:33.64
who had anxiety
attacks, panic attacks,
00:38:33.68\00:38:36.28
had been abused as a child.
00:38:36.31\00:38:38.38
She had
agoraphobia, claustrophobia,
00:38:38.41\00:38:40.12
she got
baptized, she was sincere.
00:38:40.15\00:38:42.22
Guess what came up
out of the baptistery?
00:38:42.25\00:38:43.79
All of her
claustrophobia, agoraphobia,
00:38:43.82\00:38:46.02
scared of open spaces.
00:38:46.05\00:38:47.62
No lack of
sincerity, I know her,
00:38:47.66\00:38:49.29
I know the pastor
that studied with her.
00:38:49.32\00:38:51.26
As we dealt with the
lies and negative thoughts
00:38:51.29\00:38:53.19
and forgiveness
for those who hurt her
00:38:53.23\00:38:55.53
and getting healing,
she moved into freedom.
00:38:55.56\00:38:58.07
And then we
follow Jesus' journey
00:38:58.10\00:38:59.67
from Gethsemane to Calvary,
00:38:59.70\00:39:01.04
alone,
abandoned, betrayed, abused.
00:39:01.07\00:39:02.94
So we have
stories of men and women.
00:39:02.97\00:39:05.37
And we share their
story then Jesus' story.
00:39:05.41\00:39:08.21
Of course, like
we mentioned earlier
00:39:08.24\00:39:09.58
where He can
identify the prophecy,
00:39:09.61\00:39:10.98
so they have the
scriptures there.
00:39:11.01\00:39:12.68
The third chapters
how we pray Jesus' story
00:39:12.71\00:39:14.85
into their story overtime
not a 30 second quick fix.
00:39:14.88\00:39:18.65
And then it moves
them into ministry
00:39:18.69\00:39:20.29
with a testimony.
00:39:20.32\00:39:21.66
So the main focus would
be how Jesus brings healing
00:39:21.69\00:39:23.76
and freedom
through the suffering,
00:39:23.79\00:39:25.13
death and resurrection.
00:39:25.16\00:39:26.49
The secondary their theme is
00:39:26.53\00:39:28.40
moving them into
ministry with a testimony.
00:39:28.43\00:39:31.03
Amen.
00:39:31.07\00:39:32.40
So for instance,
00:39:32.43\00:39:33.77
one of my favorite
stories in the book is Sandy.
00:39:33.80\00:39:35.30
She was not a Christian.
00:39:35.34\00:39:36.94
A man took my
training through Amazing Facts
00:39:36.97\00:39:39.54
when I was doing
some teaching there,
00:39:39.57\00:39:41.18
College of Evangelism.
00:39:41.21\00:39:42.54
He went back to England
00:39:42.58\00:39:43.91
and he talked to a friend of his
00:39:43.95\00:39:45.28
who wasn't a Christian.
00:39:45.31\00:39:46.65
And she had 17 years
of domestic violence.
00:39:46.68\00:39:48.62
Counseling helped her
to get out of the marriage
00:39:48.65\00:39:50.05
but she was carrying
all the shame and the pain.
00:39:50.09\00:39:52.35
Much like people
we've talked about.
00:39:52.39\00:39:54.42
And he said, "I'd like to
pray with you and show you
00:39:54.46\00:39:57.29
how Jesus
connects with your story."
00:39:57.33\00:39:58.86
And of course, Jesus went
through lots of physical abuse.
00:39:58.89\00:40:01.36
And she said,
"Well, I'm not a Christian,
00:40:01.40\00:40:02.73
I don't believe in the trinity.
00:40:02.76\00:40:04.67
I don't believe in
Jesus as my Lord and Savior,
00:40:04.70\00:40:06.37
how can you pray with me?"
00:40:06.40\00:40:07.74
And he said, "Well, I
learned in the training
00:40:07.77\00:40:09.10
that Jesus would heal
people before they knew He was.
00:40:09.14\00:40:11.31
The blind man
didn't know who He was.
00:40:11.34\00:40:12.94
The man in John 5
didn't know who He was."
00:40:12.97\00:40:14.61
So he said, "All
you have to do is know
00:40:14.64\00:40:16.78
that I'm a Christian,
we're praying to Christ
00:40:16.81\00:40:18.88
and you just a
little bit of time to lose."
00:40:18.91\00:40:21.98
She went home and
thought about it and thought,
00:40:22.02\00:40:23.65
"What do I have to lose?"
00:40:23.69\00:40:25.52
So he prays with her
like two or three times.
00:40:25.55\00:40:27.26
He doesn't see her
for a couple of weeks.
00:40:27.29\00:40:29.16
And she calls up one day
and says, "I got it, George."
00:40:29.19\00:40:33.03
It's my friend
George Hamilton, he goes,
00:40:33.06\00:40:34.53
"Well, get what?"
00:40:34.56\00:40:36.06
She was, "Jesus is
my Lord and Savior.
00:40:36.10\00:40:38.77
And the trinity makes sense."
00:40:38.80\00:40:40.54
So the Holy
Spirit started healing
00:40:40.57\00:40:42.57
or connecting
Jesus' story to her story.
00:40:42.60\00:40:44.97
And he led her to salvation,
she wanted more prayer
00:40:45.01\00:40:48.34
so my brother George got busy.
00:40:48.38\00:40:50.28
My brother discipled
her over Skype through--
00:40:50.31\00:40:52.25
We have a discipleship process
00:40:52.28\00:40:53.62
when we go deep in one
area of the person's life.
00:40:53.65\00:40:55.82
And she had a deaf
group she was ministering to.
00:40:55.85\00:40:58.45
So guess what she
did with the deaf group.
00:40:58.49\00:41:00.79
She shared her story
00:41:00.82\00:41:02.49
and she brought
them to the church.
00:41:02.52\00:41:05.09
And when I was training
in England a few years ago,
00:41:05.13\00:41:07.20
her pastor came up and said,
"I'm the pastor of her church."
00:41:07.23\00:41:11.03
When she came in, she brought
a strong relational dynamic,
00:41:11.07\00:41:13.64
she filled up her
apartment with non Christians.
00:41:13.67\00:41:15.84
She started connecting
her story with their story.
00:41:15.87\00:41:18.71
So she could connect
Jesus' story with theirs.
00:41:18.74\00:41:21.18
And she ended up
getting baptized,
00:41:21.21\00:41:22.54
she's been in
the church for years.
00:41:22.58\00:41:23.91
When I went to
England to do a training,
00:41:23.95\00:41:25.78
she helped me, I
never prayed with her once.
00:41:25.81\00:41:28.15
My friend George
Hamilton prayed with her.
00:41:28.18\00:41:30.02
My brother prayed with her
but I've never prayed with her.
00:41:30.05\00:41:32.35
But she was praying with women
and I was praying with men.
00:41:32.39\00:41:34.39
So she was
joining me in ministry,
00:41:34.42\00:41:35.76
so it can't be about me
00:41:35.79\00:41:37.29
because I never prayed with her.
00:41:37.33\00:41:38.83
It's about the power
of personal identification
00:41:38.86\00:41:41.53
through Jesus' suffering.
00:41:41.56\00:41:42.90
Amen. Amen.
00:41:42.93\00:41:44.27
So you can--
00:41:44.30\00:41:45.63
This is a great way to
witness to non Christians.
00:41:45.67\00:41:47.94
And if they're not
open, they're not open
00:41:47.97\00:41:49.30
but if they are,
we just simply say,
00:41:49.34\00:41:52.04
"Thank you for
sharing your struggle,
00:41:52.07\00:41:53.51
you just found out your
husband's having an affair.
00:41:53.54\00:41:56.81
I have a spiritual resource
00:41:56.85\00:41:58.25
that has helped me
through hard times,
00:41:58.28\00:41:59.95
could I share that with you?"
00:41:59.98\00:42:01.32
We're not telling
them, we're asking.
00:42:01.35\00:42:02.92
And if they say no, we
honor that but if they say yes,
00:42:02.95\00:42:05.49
can we connect them with
Jesus betrayed by a kiss,
00:42:05.52\00:42:08.52
who can identify with them
00:42:08.56\00:42:09.89
and begin praying
Jesus' story into their story.
00:42:09.92\00:42:11.89
So there's a very
strong healing component.
00:42:11.93\00:42:14.66
And there's also a very
strong evangelistic component.
00:42:14.70\00:42:16.87
What people are going to
say, "Why does this heal?
00:42:16.90\00:42:20.34
Why is this just
recognizing that Christ suffered
00:42:20.37\00:42:24.74
in the same way we suffered?
00:42:24.77\00:42:26.57
Why is that the
healing balm of Gilead assured?
00:42:26.61\00:42:30.31
First of all I would say
00:42:30.35\00:42:31.68
it's a supernatural
story fulfilled in prophecy,
00:42:31.71\00:42:33.48
so there's
something bigger than us.
00:42:33.52\00:42:35.18
Okay.
00:42:35.22\00:42:36.55
I didn't know what was happening
00:42:36.58\00:42:38.35
when that man led me
to a prayer of salvation
00:42:38.39\00:42:40.72
but God honored that.
00:42:40.76\00:42:42.09
So I can't say I
fully understand 100 percent
00:42:42.12\00:42:44.66
but what I can say is
00:42:44.69\00:42:46.16
it's the power of
personal identification
00:42:46.19\00:42:47.96
when someone knows
and they come to you
00:42:48.00\00:42:50.17
and they say, "Shelley,
my husband's having an affair
00:42:50.20\00:42:53.00
and I'm devastated and I
feel like I'm not good enough."
00:42:53.03\00:42:55.14
That's what women feel,
they go to, I'm not good enough
00:42:55.17\00:42:57.44
when their husbands
are into pornography.
00:42:57.47\00:42:59.67
And the statistically they say
00:42:59.71\00:43:01.04
50 to 70 percent
of guys in church
00:43:01.08\00:43:03.45
are struggling with this.
00:43:03.48\00:43:04.81
They don't want it in
their life most of them
00:43:04.85\00:43:06.55
but they don't
know how to get free.
00:43:06.58\00:43:08.55
Was Jesus ever
tempted to believe
00:43:08.58\00:43:10.05
He wasn't good enough?
00:43:10.09\00:43:11.45
And was He betrayed?
00:43:11.49\00:43:13.36
So that power of personal
identification does something
00:43:13.39\00:43:15.76
that I can't do
with human wisdom.
00:43:15.79\00:43:17.56
Yeah.
00:43:17.59\00:43:18.93
I'm not saying there's
not a place for counseling,
00:43:18.96\00:43:20.33
I'm saying there's something
about connecting their story
00:43:20.36\00:43:22.63
to Jesus' story and
then praying Jesus' story
00:43:22.66\00:43:25.73
into their mind and heart
that brings transformation
00:43:25.77\00:43:29.00
that I cannot do
with my own human wisdom.
00:43:29.04\00:43:31.74
The Holy Spirit activates
that healing in the heart.
00:43:31.77\00:43:34.34
And then how do
you change, I mean,
00:43:34.38\00:43:36.91
so that He begins
there, what do you do?
00:43:36.95\00:43:38.71
Do you have a component
where there's a Bible study
00:43:38.75\00:43:41.08
or we're learning
the promises of God or?
00:43:41.12\00:43:43.95
I'm glad you asked that.
00:43:43.99\00:43:45.32
We have daily
discipleship prayer,
00:43:45.35\00:43:46.69
so we want to pray with them.
00:43:46.72\00:43:48.19
And then we have
them unpack Jesus' story
00:43:48.22\00:43:50.09
in different areas.
00:43:50.13\00:43:51.46
And we have a
discipleship process
00:43:51.49\00:43:52.89
where each phase has scriptures
00:43:52.93\00:43:55.03
dealing with their
losses, Christ losses.
00:43:55.06\00:43:59.00
For instance, I was
angry and I was hurt,
00:43:59.03\00:44:02.97
so I turned to
anger, bitterness and drugs.
00:44:03.00\00:44:04.94
I also have to own that
00:44:04.97\00:44:06.31
and what are the
negative beliefs I got
00:44:06.34\00:44:07.68
from growing up
in a home with anger.
00:44:07.71\00:44:09.24
What are the
beliefs I got about myself
00:44:09.28\00:44:10.78
from what I've done to
myself or how I've hurt others
00:44:10.81\00:44:14.22
'cause we want to receive
forgiveness for what others,
00:44:14.25\00:44:17.75
for what we've done ourselves.
00:44:17.79\00:44:19.42
Otherwise we live
with guilt and shame.
00:44:19.45\00:44:21.16
And then we deal
with generational patterns
00:44:21.19\00:44:23.12
'cause we see it in
David, we see it in Abraham.
00:44:23.16\00:44:25.59
Generational patterns
of lying, lying, lying.
00:44:25.63\00:44:28.26
Abraham lied,
then what did Isaac do?
00:44:28.30\00:44:30.37
He lied. Then
what did his sons do?
00:44:30.40\00:44:31.97
Lied and they ended up
murdering a whole town.
00:44:32.00\00:44:34.24
So we want to deal with
those generational patterns.
00:44:34.27\00:44:36.67
We want to receive
forgiveness for we've done.
00:44:36.71\00:44:38.54
We want to
receive Jesus' forgiveness
00:44:38.57\00:44:40.14
for what others have done.
00:44:40.18\00:44:41.51
And Jesus on the cross said,
00:44:41.54\00:44:42.88
"Forgive for they
know not what they do."
00:44:42.91\00:44:44.35
So we want to
encompass all of His words.
00:44:44.38\00:44:46.92
Have you ever seen
anybody, I'm gonna ask you
00:44:46.95\00:44:48.42
something that--
00:44:48.45\00:44:49.85
We just have a few minutes,
00:44:49.88\00:44:51.22
I have to try and
make this quick it's here.
00:44:51.25\00:44:53.15
I'm gonna use
myself as an example.
00:44:53.19\00:44:55.16
The Lord brought me
out of so much pain.
00:44:55.19\00:44:58.73
And the power of His
word and confessing His word
00:44:58.76\00:45:01.53
over my life changed me.
00:45:01.56\00:45:04.27
But it is
interesting that occasionally
00:45:04.30\00:45:06.70
and I experience this
after my sister's death.
00:45:06.74\00:45:09.77
You know, you're just going
through the grieving process
00:45:09.80\00:45:12.27
that something happened.
00:45:12.31\00:45:13.64
I had to deal with a
strong fear of abandonment.
00:45:13.68\00:45:18.11
My parents were
divorced when I was four.
00:45:18.15\00:45:20.45
My father got custody of
me, took me out to California
00:45:20.48\00:45:23.79
from New Mexico.
00:45:23.82\00:45:25.15
And then he ended up
leaving me with my grandparents
00:45:25.19\00:45:28.66
because he got a job in Phoenix.
00:45:28.69\00:45:30.69
So I had this
fear of abandonment
00:45:30.73\00:45:33.19
and always feeling like I
had to be perfect to be loved.
00:45:33.23\00:45:36.43
After my sister's death
00:45:36.46\00:45:38.80
somehow that kind of
reared its ugly head again.
00:45:38.83\00:45:43.57
And I thought
I've dealt with it.
00:45:43.61\00:45:45.07
So are you saying that
as people go through this,
00:45:45.11\00:45:49.84
do they ever maybe--
00:45:49.88\00:45:51.25
Does this anything ever,
00:45:51.28\00:45:53.48
did I just not deal
with the root or I mean,
00:45:53.52\00:45:57.89
I'm excited to read
the rest of your book.
00:45:57.92\00:45:59.82
Or is it
possible it can come back
00:45:59.85\00:46:04.16
and you just know
the process then to go
00:46:04.19\00:46:06.09
and get that deliverance again.
00:46:06.13\00:46:08.40
I would say both and I would say
00:46:08.43\00:46:10.03
that praying God's promises
can be powerful for healing.
00:46:10.07\00:46:13.44
And this isn't a cure all.
00:46:13.47\00:46:15.00
This is one way
that God heals people.
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What I would say
is when it comes up,
00:46:17.54\00:46:19.57
we deal with it.
00:46:19.61\00:46:20.94
So like if you're on vacation
or driving down the road
00:46:20.98\00:46:23.31
and the gas gauge is
fine, your oil, light's fine.
00:46:23.35\00:46:26.31
Don't look at it.
00:46:26.35\00:46:27.68
But if there's a flat
tire or it says your oil's low,
00:46:27.72\00:46:29.82
pull over and fix it.
00:46:29.85\00:46:31.19
So when that
abandonment comes up,
00:46:31.22\00:46:32.55
we take it to God.
00:46:32.59\00:46:33.92
And in our book we
show how after we pray,
00:46:33.96\00:46:35.86
a number of them start
dealing with more layers later.
00:46:35.89\00:46:38.36
Because we're not, we're
not wanting to show a fix all.
00:46:38.39\00:46:41.16
Yeah.
00:46:41.20\00:46:43.30
I'm just excited, I want
to read the rest of this book.
00:46:43.33\00:46:46.67
And once again the
name of the book is
00:46:46.70\00:46:49.37
'The Hidden Half of the Gospel'.
00:46:49.40\00:46:52.51
How His
suffering can heal yours.
00:46:52.54\00:46:55.78
And you can get
this book, we want to
00:46:55.81\00:46:58.95
and I'm assuming Paul
00:46:58.98\00:47:00.78
that you are
available since you're going out
00:47:00.82\00:47:03.65
and teaching other conferences,
00:47:03.69\00:47:05.62
do you ever
teach churches as well?
00:47:05.65\00:47:07.09
Yes, that's
where I do most of my--
00:47:07.12\00:47:08.86
I spend most of my
time training in churches.
00:47:08.89\00:47:10.23
Okay.
00:47:10.26\00:47:11.59
So if you maybe, your
church would like to have Paul
00:47:11.63\00:47:14.53
come to your church and teach
'The Hidden Half of the Gospel'
00:47:14.56\00:47:18.63
or you'd like to get
this book for yourself.
00:47:18.67\00:47:21.10
And from what I've read,
I can highly recommend it.
00:47:21.14\00:47:23.87
I've just been as I said, I
hate to use that expression,
00:47:23.91\00:47:27.34
it sounds like I don't
have a very good vocabulary
00:47:27.38\00:47:30.18
but blown away was
the word I want to use
00:47:30.21\00:47:32.95
when I was reading this.
00:47:32.98\00:47:34.32
So if you'd like to see
00:47:34.35\00:47:35.68
how you can get
in touch with Paul
00:47:35.72\00:47:37.05
or to order his book.
00:47:37.09\00:47:38.72
Here's an address roll that
will provide that information.
00:47:38.75\00:47:41.69
If you would like to
know how you can get the book,
00:47:44.26\00:47:45.99
The Hidden Half of the Gospel
00:47:46.03\00:47:48.03
or if you'd
like to contact Paul,
00:47:48.06\00:47:49.70
you can do so by writing
00:47:49.73\00:47:51.20
to Straight 2 the
Heart Incorporated,
00:47:51.23\00:47:53.57
PMB 185, 10 North Caddo
Street, Cleburne, Texas, 76301.
00:47:53.60\00:48:00.58
That's Straight 2
the Heart Incorporated,
00:48:00.61\00:48:02.74
PMB 185, 10 North Caddo
Street, Cleburne, Texas, 76301.
00:48:02.78\00:48:09.68
You can call 360-630-0097.
00:48:09.72\00:48:14.42
That's 360-630-0097.
00:48:14.46\00:48:18.43
You can also visit them online,
it's Straight2TheHeart.com.
00:48:18.46\00:48:22.10
That's Straight2TheHeart.com.
00:48:22.13\00:48:28.44
You know Paul
was just telling me
00:48:28.47\00:48:30.07
as we were giving you that
information that he's offering,
00:48:30.11\00:48:33.78
if you go to his website
which is Straight2TheHeart
00:48:33.81\00:48:38.25
with the number 2,
Straight2TheHeart.com.
00:48:38.28\00:48:41.12
He's offering 15%
discount on the book
00:48:41.15\00:48:43.85
for all 3ABN viewers, right?
00:48:43.89\00:48:46.62
Yeah, and actually they would go
00:48:46.65\00:48:47.99
to www.HiddenHalf.org
for that book.
00:48:48.02\00:48:49.82
I'm sorry.
00:48:49.86\00:48:51.19
I'm sorry they have a
separate website for the book.
00:48:51.23\00:48:52.59
www.HiddenHalf.org.
00:48:52.63\00:48:57.20
And if you put a coupon slot
put 3ABN, you'll get 15% off.
00:48:57.23\00:49:02.00
All right.
00:49:02.04\00:49:03.37
There's gonna be a lot of people
00:49:03.41\00:49:04.74
ordering this book I hope.
00:49:04.77\00:49:06.61
Let's talk about Rick,
because so far we've talked
00:49:06.64\00:49:08.98
about some women's stories,
00:49:09.01\00:49:10.48
let's just get a
man's point of view in this.
00:49:10.51\00:49:13.11
So when Rick came to me,
00:49:13.15\00:49:15.28
he had struggled with a 20
year addiction to pornography
00:49:15.32\00:49:17.09
and his wife was
about ready to walk out.
00:49:17.12\00:49:19.89
I don't blame her.
00:49:19.92\00:49:21.26
And he didn't want to be stuck,
he didn't know how to get free.
00:49:21.29\00:49:24.69
So he wanted
freedom, he didn't know how.
00:49:24.73\00:49:26.46
So we started saying,
00:49:26.49\00:49:27.83
"What are your negative thoughts
00:49:27.86\00:49:29.20
based on how you grew up?"
00:49:29.23\00:49:30.57
He grew up with an
angry, abusive father.
00:49:30.60\00:49:32.13
He learned he was
powerless, he was rejected
00:49:32.17\00:49:35.24
and he couldn't trust others.
00:49:35.27\00:49:37.24
So then we go into Jesus'
story like we talked about,
00:49:37.27\00:49:39.41
was Jesus ever tempted?
00:49:39.44\00:49:40.94
Did He ever have
angry, abusive men around him?
00:49:40.98\00:49:43.35
Yes, especially
during His last hours.
00:49:43.38\00:49:45.68
So we connect Jesus'
story with Rick's story
00:49:45.71\00:49:48.38
where Jesus was
tempted to be rejected,
00:49:48.42\00:49:50.65
where He was tempted to believe
00:49:50.69\00:49:52.02
that His
identity was on powerless
00:49:52.05\00:49:53.39
because I have
abusive men over me.
00:49:53.42\00:49:55.46
And then Jesus was
tempted again to numb His pain.
00:49:55.49\00:49:57.63
Well, how is Rick
medicating? Through pornography.
00:49:57.66\00:50:00.10
And he feels good
while he's looking at it
00:50:00.13\00:50:01.46
but how does he feel
afterwards as a Christian man,
00:50:01.50\00:50:03.80
hurting his wife?
00:50:03.83\00:50:05.17
He doesn't feel good.
00:50:05.20\00:50:06.53
So now he's got shame and
guilt on top of the addiction
00:50:06.57\00:50:07.97
which then drives him more.
00:50:08.00\00:50:09.74
So we connected
his negative thoughts,
00:50:09.77\00:50:11.51
I'm powerless, I'm rejected.
00:50:11.54\00:50:15.01
You know, his negative
thoughts with Jesus' story
00:50:15.04\00:50:16.81
and begin praying, asking
God to break the sexual bonds
00:50:16.85\00:50:20.02
because Jesus,
Genesis and Paul all say
00:50:20.05\00:50:22.82
that when their sexual activity,
00:50:22.85\00:50:24.65
their sexual bonding.
00:50:24.69\00:50:26.02
And neuroscience
now confirms that.
00:50:26.05\00:50:27.89
So we're asking God
to deal with the behavior
00:50:27.92\00:50:30.39
and the belief systems
and to break the sexual bonds.
00:50:30.43\00:50:33.43
And then through
Jesus' resurrection power
00:50:33.46\00:50:35.53
that He's receiving is truest,
00:50:35.56\00:50:37.13
deepest masculine
identity as God's son.
00:50:37.17\00:50:39.47
Receiving forgiveness
for what he didn't know
00:50:39.50\00:50:41.27
about what he was doing
00:50:41.30\00:50:42.64
and all that what he
didn't know the damage
00:50:42.67\00:50:44.57
and receiving
the purity of Jesus.
00:50:44.61\00:50:46.41
And as he got freedom
through the same process,
00:50:46.44\00:50:49.04
he went back to his church,
00:50:49.08\00:50:50.65
he started sharing
his story with other men,
00:50:50.68\00:50:52.28
I didn't ask him to.
00:50:52.31\00:50:53.65
And he started a
small group for men.
00:50:53.68\00:50:55.02
So what we want to--
00:50:55.05\00:50:56.38
This is a kind of
fruit we want to see
00:50:56.42\00:50:57.75
'cause in the New Testament
00:50:57.79\00:50:59.12
when they accepted
Jesus and got freedom,
00:50:59.15\00:51:00.49
what did they do?
00:51:00.52\00:51:01.86
They went started
00:51:01.89\00:51:03.22
telling their circle
of influence and then--
00:51:03.26\00:51:05.36
Like the woman at the well,
00:51:05.39\00:51:06.73
you know, who is so
ashamed of her past.
00:51:06.76\00:51:08.66
And as soon as Christ
sets her free if you will,
00:51:08.70\00:51:11.97
then she goes right back
00:51:12.00\00:51:13.80
and to tell she uses
her pain as her testimony.
00:51:13.84\00:51:17.84
That's the foundational story
00:51:17.87\00:51:19.24
we used it at the
beginning of the book
00:51:19.27\00:51:20.61
to say this is
what we want to see.
00:51:20.64\00:51:22.21
So Rick started sharing,
00:51:22.24\00:51:23.58
he rebuild his
marriage with his wife,
00:51:23.61\00:51:24.95
he asked her
how he has hurt her.
00:51:24.98\00:51:26.31
He asked her for
forgiveness in specific ways.
00:51:26.35\00:51:29.18
And then he gets a group of men
00:51:29.22\00:51:30.55
to keep growing to
minister to and to keep growing.
00:51:30.59\00:51:32.65
So we're excited
what God is doing
00:51:32.69\00:51:34.72
and I believe the
greatest need of the church
00:51:34.76\00:51:36.49
as I travel around
different countries in the US.
00:51:36.52\00:51:39.39
People want community.
00:51:39.43\00:51:40.86
In other words, a safe place
to say I've had an abortion,
00:51:40.90\00:51:43.97
I don't know how to get
rid of the shame and guilt,
00:51:44.00\00:51:45.33
I've confessed to behavior.
00:51:45.37\00:51:47.00
I'm struggling with
pornography or food.
00:51:47.04\00:51:48.57
I don't know how to get free.
00:51:48.60\00:51:50.01
Where am I gonna go
00:51:50.04\00:51:51.37
where someone is
not gonna judge me
00:51:51.41\00:51:52.74
but lead me to
the throne of grace
00:51:52.77\00:51:54.28
in a way that
makes a difference.
00:51:54.31\00:51:55.64
Amen.
00:51:55.68\00:51:57.01
And so this is what we want
to see happen in our churches.
00:51:57.05\00:51:58.98
I just praise the
Lord for this ministry
00:51:59.01\00:52:01.62
Straight 2 The Heart
00:52:01.65\00:52:02.98
and he's got an
incredible website
00:52:03.02\00:52:04.79
with a lot of resources.
00:52:04.82\00:52:06.32
Straight2TheHeart.com.
00:52:06.35\00:52:09.72
Well, we're gonna
take just a quick break,
00:52:09.76\00:52:11.36
we're going to a newsbreak
00:52:11.39\00:52:12.73
and we'll come back
for a final thought.
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