I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and once again we
welcome you to 3ABN Today.
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My name is CA Murray
and thank you once again
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for sharing just a
little of your day with us.
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This is another one
of those special programs
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where we take an in-depth look
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as much as this
one hour will allow
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at one of the doctrinal points
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of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church and the Bible.
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We never want to
separate the two.
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We don't want to
say this is doctrine
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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No, this is the
doctrine of the Word of God
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mined by the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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believed by the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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talked by the
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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practiced by the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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but not a Seventh-day
Adventist doctrine per se,
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a Bible doctrine
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that we believe that
we practice and we teach.
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I'm in the company of
two eminently equipped men
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to help me mind the subject.
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The pastor at the Thompsonville
Seventh-day Adventist Church,
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my pastor and my
friend John Lomacang.
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Good to be here, Pastor CA.
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And the pastor and speaker
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director of Behold
the Lamb Ministries,
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Pastor Kenny Shelton.
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Pastor, good to have you
here. Oh, it's good to be here.
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Thank you for the invitation.
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Love to study the
Word of God with you folks.
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Wonderful. Yeah.
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This is, this is a wonderful
time that we've been together.
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Now we need to warn you.
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We say this, every time
we will say it yet again.
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When you get to
study the Word of God
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sometimes it gets so good
that you cannot hold your peace.
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That's right.
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So we have given
each other permission,
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we've given each
other permission to,
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if something comes up
and it's just bubbling out,
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just go ahead and say it.
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So we are not
cutting each other off,
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we are not
disrespecting each other.
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No, we are all putting
our little bean in the pot
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to make a beautiful soup
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or stew that
bespeaks the Word of God.
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The joy that comes from
studying the Word of God.
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So we don't get together
in a room and go over notes.
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No, we just pick a topic.
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We study, we bring to
this particular program
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what the spirit of
God has given to us
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and we don't preplan this,
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we just share
from the Word of God
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and that's what we
are gonna do today.
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Our subject,
"State of the Dead."
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There are few doctrines
that have been more twisted
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and wrenched from their context
and used to beat up people
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or scare people or
turn people away from God
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than the state of the dead.
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We see the television programs
are rife with vampire shows
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and shows about
people coming back,
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people exchanging lives.
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There are so much confusion
and ignorance on this subject,
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we thought we would bring
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the antiseptic
light of the gospel
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to this very important talk.
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Now, Pastor John, Pastor Kenny,
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if there was, if
the story of Jesus
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is the greatest story ever told,
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then the greatest lie ever told
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is found in the Book of Genesis.
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Genesis after Chapter
3 and turn it out with me
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as we read from the Word of God.
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And then I'm gonna
let you gentlemen weigh in
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because I know you each studied
this subject and know it well.
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You don't have to
go and really study
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because something
that we know in our hearts.
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Well, Genesis 3:4,
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this of course is the
temptation and fall of man.
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"Then the serpent"
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I'm in verse 4
"said to the woman,"
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greatest lie ever told
"You will not surely die.'"
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If there ever was a
whopper told, that's it.
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And more people have fallen
under the weight of that lie
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have been misled by
the weight of that lie
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then I think any other
truth that has been twisted
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and torn up in the Word of God.
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I heard a political candidate
just as we talking about
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how his brother was looking
down on him in approbation,
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looking down from heaven.
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And that kind of thing
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and you could hear the chorus
of amens and the applause,
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because so many people
buy into and believe that
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and yet it may be
among the biggest,
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the greatest lies ever
told and it came from the person
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who is a liar and deceiver
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from the voice of Satan himself.
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You know, we made
this kinds of statement
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as though we have proof of it,
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as though we,
they sent us an email.
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I see you. Yeah.
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There is no, you know,
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it sounds cynical
but I'm really serious.
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We make these statements
off the cuff as though,
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you know, here are they,
they are looking down on me,
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now my mom is my guardian angel.
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The other one that
really burns me up,
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God took her, like God
is some kind of assassin,
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taking people.
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You know, He
needed another angel
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so He took my
three-year-old daughter.
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We make God to be a
killer that's with all these
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and if you think these
topics are not important,
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these are reflections
on the character of God.
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Yes, they are.
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If I said, well, you
know, my watch is missing,
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CA took it.
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I'm calling him a
thief. That's right.
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Well, no, we're good friends.
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Now you just called
your good friend a thief.
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No, we're right
but he is not a thief,
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but he just takes whatever
he needs whenever he wants it,
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he will bring
it back eventually.
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But you're just saying that
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I don't need to have
him coming to my house
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because he is a
thief, he is a klepto.
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And so these little
statements about the Lord,
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these are character
defamation statements
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that are made by Satan planted
to make God look like a thief.
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Yes. Make Him
look like a killer.
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You know, God
just took my mother
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in this car accident today.
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I guess He
needed one more angel.
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I've heard them
all. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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And it's so sad
when you hear that
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because I
remember Robert Ingersoll,
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the world's most
famous, former infidel.
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He talked about why
he became an infidel
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because his father talked
about the death of a loved one
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and he used the
phrase "God took him."
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And he said, why
would God-- sorry.
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His father preached on
eternally burning hell,
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that was it.
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Why would a
loving God burn someone,
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that's another program.
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Why would loving
God burn somebody
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in hell forever and
ever and ever and ever
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with no
appeasement, with no end.
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If that's the kind of God He is,
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I don't want
anything to do with Him.
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And so this topic about death
and this eternal burning hell,
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all have been born to
attack the character of God.
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So this lie, you
will not surely die.
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I like the way
the Hebrew says it,
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"I'm sure you will not die."
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Precisely. Yes. Yes. Yes.
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And so when the devil,
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for example if I said, Kenny,
why don't you just do this,
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you know, bungee
jumping thing here in Africa.
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Somebody tried to get
me to do that in Africa
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off of the
Victoria Falls Bridge.
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Oh, my soul.
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Yeah, like they
got an insurance.
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So I'm looking at
this 600 foot to drop,
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300 foot they said the rope
was 300 feet that's 30 stories.
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That's free falling 30 stories
over rushing river in Africa
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where insurance
is not important.
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Yes. Yes.
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So I thought to
myself, no, I'm not doing that.
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And so there are those people
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that want you to just
put your whole weight of life
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on this singular
statement they make another one.
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We are gonna talk about
these during the sermon.
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Another one to be
absent from the body
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is to be present with the Lord.
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That's not in
scripture anywhere.
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To be absent from the body
is to be present with the Lord.
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You can't show me the scripture.
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I'll show you the
scripture where it comes from
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but that's not what Paul said.
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Precisely, I'm glad
you picked up that one.
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I got it in my notes too
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and we can exhaust that together
because it's a great lie.
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Pitch in into now, my brother.
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Oh, to me it was--
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I always think about the
subject and the subject matter
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and how it pertains to
us as Christians today.
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Yes.
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We know from the Bible,
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from prophecy that
spiritualism will be,
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spiritism will be on the rise.
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And you're saying "Oh,
he's just here in the last day,
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you know, since 2000," no.
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You know, we can see it
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when it first
came in on the TV sets.
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We can come with
Casper the Ghost.
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Some of you don't
go back that far but--
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Yeah, the friendly ghost.
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Friendly ghost and Bewitched
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and allow these different
things we call harmless
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and it doesn't matter
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and we can sit in
our home still today
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watch some of these
things and it's not--
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the enemy was planting his seed.
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He did it back here,
you just read the passage.
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Yes. He never changes.
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So here in these last
days we are seeing a rise
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because we know
what's going to be happening.
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The enemy is going to use people
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who say they've been here,
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they have been
on the other side,
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they've come back,
they have a message.
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So we need to even
look at that today.
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They come back with a message
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and it's very convincing message
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but it's totally
opposite to scripture.
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If we don't have scripture
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and a good understanding
of how God looks at,
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how Christ looks at,
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of the Bible
teaching of what happens
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when you die then we can all
go off in different directions.
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I'm thankful for
a good foundation
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that we have which is,
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my brothers and
sisters is the Bible.
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The Word of God, the
Word of God only can prove.
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I like what someone said here,
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one of you said
that it's the Bible,
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the Word of God it's not
Seventh-day Adventist teaching,
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it's a teaching
of the Word of God.
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It's in the Bible
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and see, as we see
that line upon line,
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precept upon precept,
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here little and there a little
that we find these truths,
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then we have
embraced these truths
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and they just come alive
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and it's just something that
you just, it goes in your mind
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and if you can't explain it,
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you just know
that it's still right
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because it's over
and over in God's word.
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So we see it an upswing of it.
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We know it's
going to be happening.
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Yes.
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So the world needs to be warned
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through a
program just like this.
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Yes. Thank you.
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The truths of God, Pastor John,
Pastor Kenny, gives you comfort
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and of course we're
gonna talk about that
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just a little
bit Paul says that,
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but knowing the truth
is a comforting thing.
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Now how did this idea get in?
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I mean, you can call it
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what you can call
it platonic dualism,
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you can call it
metaphysical dualism,
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you can call it Greek dualism,
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the idea that there is a
separation of body and soul,
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one is good, the other is
evil, that's not Christian,
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it's Greek and it actually
antedated the Christian move.
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It's old. Yeah.
Yeah, Neopaganism.
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Precisely it's old and
as a church began to spread,
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this idea weaved
itself into the church
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and of course we
have, we have among others
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to thank Augustine for it
who accepted this idea that,
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I mean, if you look at his life,
he lived a pretty bad life.
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And then when he
came to the Lord,
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he found out that
certain parts of his character
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still responding to
that old, that old stuff.
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You know, like you go to a club
and you go and buy a club now
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and you are in the
club but you hear that beat
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and all of sudden, you
know, you are back at that beat
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and you don't want
that beat in your head
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but it's there or
you see a pretty girl
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and automatically
that old guy comes back.
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So he said, "You know what,
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there got to be
two separate parts."
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He bought into that.
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This body thing is bad
and spirit thing is good.
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And of course since he
was one of the architects
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of Catholic theology, it
was woven into the church
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and became in part of
the Christian doctrine
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that you got this
good soul and evil body.
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So you got this
dualistic thing again
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but the Bible didn't
say that God gave us a soul.
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Right.
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John, you want to pick that up
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because I see
you're getting itchy.
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Genesis 2:7. There you go.
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You know, to know what happens
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and I want to string
a few texts together.
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Now I want to look at this here.
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To know what happens
when you, when your life ends,
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we've got to know how it begins.
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Precisely. Yeah. To
know where I'm going--
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Well, said. Well, said. Yeah.
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You got to know
where I came from.
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Yeah, if you know
how to deconstruct,
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you got to know
how to construct.
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So, we are gonna
look at the scriptures
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in the very logical sense.
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What you have to keep in mind is
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the Bible is very
clear on what happens.
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Let's look at
the beginning of man.
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Genesis 2:7,
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the Bible says and I'm reading
from the King James Version
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and I'm reading from this
translation particularly before
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because it uses the word "Soul."
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This is where
people get the idea.
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Okay, so, "And the Lord God
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formed man of the
dust of the ground,
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and breathed into his
nostrils the breath of life,
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and man became" together?
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"A living soul."
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Now notice man
became a living soul.
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Yes. He didn't
have a living soul.
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Right. He became a living soul.
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The difference is
altogether obvious.
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The flashlight
did not become a bulb,
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the flashlight had a bulb.
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Yes.
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There's a difference altogether.
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The flashlight, when the bulb
itself has a filament in it.
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You know, when
the filament dies,
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it doesn't work on another lamp.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't take a
journey to another house
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and start flashing over there.
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When a bulb dies
it's it. It's gone.
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It's not working
anymore. Yes, sir.
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So, am I putting together here?
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Now, you're getting it, go on.
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So when the bulb
blows, that's a phrase we use,
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the bulb is blown,
we go buy another one.
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We don't say,
oh, you know, Kenny,
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I got a bulb it
ain't working in my lamp
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and I know it's
gonna work in yours
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because it just
wants a new lamp.
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That's all it
needs is a new lamp.
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Yes. Yes.
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We are teaching
the idea that the soul
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this is what the
common teaching is
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that the soul now
needs another location.
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It's moved on since it can't
use this location any longer.
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That's not what
the Bible teaches.
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Matter of fact,
let's go to Job 27:3.
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Okay. I know that chapter.
Yes. Okay. Now remember this.
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Remember where did
God breathe into Adam?
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Where? What it
be? Into nostrils.
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Into nostrils. What
did He breathe in there?
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The breath of life.
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And I want you to read
Genesis 27:3, Pastor Kenny.
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Genesis 27:3. Now
you have to follow in my.
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Now since the Lord breathe
into Adam this construct,
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He formed him from
the dust of the ground.
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I have a friend, pathologist
friend Dr. Douglas Wear
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and he said, one day
he listened to a program
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and he said, by the way
if you are watching this,
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Dr. Wear and your
wife, hello to you.
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He said, "When you say that,
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Pastor John,
that God formed man"
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he says, "I'm a
medical pathologist,
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you have no idea
what just happened
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when the Lord formed.
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The core process the veins,
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the levels of skin what
God did when He formed man."
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But look at what
happens when we die.
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I mean, look at
what this soul is.
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Job 27:3. I didn't have that.
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Right before,
there you go Job 27:3
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and this tells you what
is in the nostril of man.
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Yes, the breath. Sure.
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Okay, verse 3, Job 27.
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"All the while
my breath is in me,
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and the spirit of
God is in my nostrils."
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"All the while
my breath is in me,
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and the spirit of
God" now this is huge.
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Yeah.
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I know, you got,
you want to make that
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you try not to load up
because I know it's coming
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because you got
to make the context,
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the contract
between spirit and breath.
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Exactly. And what's there.
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I know this is
where you are heading.
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Right. God's
spirit is there. Yes. Yes.
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So if anything is going back
is God's spirit, not my spirit.
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Right. You want to get that.
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Amen. Yeah.
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The spirit of God is in me now,
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God breathe into man's
nostril the breath of life.
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The breath of
life came from God.
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God didn't breathe a
man into Adam's nostril,
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He breathe His breath of
life. I want you get that.
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He didn't put a man in
Adam, He put His breath in Adam.
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Precisely. Okay. So
that's how life began.
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So you have to
have a body. Exactly.
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And then you have the
spirit of God, breathe of God.
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And you become...
One and one is two.
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You become a
living soul. Exactly.
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It takes two things.
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So in Genesis it goes
in, in Job it comes out.
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Same spirit,
nothing is changed, yeah.
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Now, let's go to
Ecclesiastes 12:7.
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Pastor, I want you
to read that again.
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Yeah. Yeah. He
is my Bible student.
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Yeah, boy.
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He knows I'm working him out
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and you're gonna throw it
at me in a minute you see.
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Here we go.
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After Psalms, now
when you look at--
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Ecclesiastes.
Yeah, there you go.
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Now right after this what
you are gonna see now friends
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as we read this text is you're
gonna see creation in reverse.
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Yes. Okay.
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We're gonna see creation
right after Proverbs here.
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It's a little thin book.
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Here we go
Ecclesiastes 12. All right.
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His Bible is so
thin, it's like onion skin.
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Yeah, there we are. All right.
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Ecclesiastes 12:7.
You have highlighted it.
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Yeah, I had it here. Let's go.
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It says, "Then shall the dust
return to the earth as it was,
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and the spirit shall
return to God who gave it."
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Now get this now.
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In the beginning God
formed man from the dust,
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then at the end of life
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the dust returns
to the earth as it was
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and the spirit
returns to God who gave it.
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Now this is huge.
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Where is man?
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That dust form of man went
back to where he came from.
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Right.
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And the spirit that
returned to God was his spirit
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which is the breath
of life, not my spirit.
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Right.
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They teach that man's
spirit went back to God.
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The spirit returns to
God who gave it, right?
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Amen. Okay.
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it's all in my head.
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Praise the Lord.
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But, Pastor Kenny, I'm
having you read all these texts.
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I want you to register your,
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I want you to
register on this too.
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Psalms 115:17 look at this.
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Now, this is huge. Okay.
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So if man died
and went to heaven,
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this text needs to be
deleted from the Bible.
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Okay, okay.
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Pastor CA, you have it,
Psalms 117, 115 and verse 17.
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Actually I'm looking
up another text in Psalms.
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It said, the dead, verse 17,
"The dead praise not the Lord,
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neither any that
go down into silence."
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Oh, wait a minute.
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The dead do not praise the Lord.
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So nobody up in heaven
that died praising God.
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That's what it says.
Neither any that go down.
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The Lord is
saying, down into silence.
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Have mercy.
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Down into silence,
not up into praise.
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
Look at the contrast.
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We teach, today the
common pulpous of America
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and the television shows teach,
00:18:14.36\00:18:17.06
they're up in
heaven praising God,
00:18:17.09\00:18:18.43
now dancing on
the streets of gold,
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praising Lord,
singing songs of hallelujah.
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No, they are not.
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Now what we are
not saying is that
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we are not saying
that they won't one day,
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we are saying they are not now.
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They are not now, the
Lord has established a process
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by which we'll
all get to heaven.
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I got to give you sometime
so you could take it from here.
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Oh, no, I was
just thinking about,
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you talked about the spirit,
you know, in construction.
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You know, you know
that the illustration of it
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is that in construction.
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You know, Danny and
I worked for many years
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and still do it different times.
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I said, you go
out to the job site,
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you know, you have your lumber,
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big lumber pile and
then, let's put simple.
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Then over here we have 50
pound box of nails, right.
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Now when you go out this is it.
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We have to think about.
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When we go out to the site,
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there is no one
that will look out
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and say, "Wow, what a
beautiful house this is."
00:19:02.10\00:19:04.97
Right. Right.
00:19:05.01\00:19:06.34
It wouldn't say because you had,
00:19:06.37\00:19:07.71
they say, this is the
lumber, this is the nail,
00:19:07.74\00:19:10.48
all you do is take that nail,
00:19:10.51\00:19:12.68
put it into the lumber
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and all the sudden
you've got a house.
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Right.
00:19:16.85\00:19:18.19
All it takes two
things, lumber, nail,
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put it together,
you have a house.
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Okay.
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Now what do I do
when I reverse it?
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You were talking about this.
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So when I reverse
it, I pull that nail out
00:19:25.89\00:19:27.76
and I put it over here
and the lumber back here.
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So when I look at again
I say, oh, that's still,
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that's not a
house, that's lumber.
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That's not a
house, that's a nail.
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Where did house go?
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Simply ceases to exist
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because you have to
have the two things.
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Precisely. Body, breath, spirit.
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Beautiful. Well said.
00:19:43.95\00:19:45.28
This is a text that I
was looking up, pastor,
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when you called
upon, this is Psalms 146:4.
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Okay, read it because
I'm right there right now.
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"His spirit departs, he
shall return to his earth,
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in that very day
his plans perish."
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Break that down. Yeah.
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His spirit departs,
00:20:00.33\00:20:01.96
he returns to, he
returns to his earth.
00:20:02.00\00:20:05.73
Right. Where does he go?
00:20:05.77\00:20:07.60
Goes back to the earth.
00:20:07.64\00:20:08.97
The spirit is
capital H, His spirit,
00:20:09.00\00:20:11.84
he, lower h,
returns to the earth,
00:20:11.87\00:20:15.01
he or his rather lower h,
00:20:15.04\00:20:18.01
lowercase h, plans perish.
00:20:18.05\00:20:20.02
So the spirit goes
back to the God who gave it
00:20:20.08\00:20:22.48
and the plans everything
about our life perishes.
00:20:22.55\00:20:24.99
So the idea
that momma comes back
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and comes with you at
night, that's not in the word.
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So, but we have to keep in
mind where does man return?
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He returns from the
ground out of which he came.
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Precisely. He
returns to his earth now.
00:20:36.60\00:20:39.10
Here this is huge.
00:20:39.13\00:20:40.47
Since man returns
to where he came from
00:20:40.50\00:20:42.70
to teach that man goes to heaven
00:20:42.74\00:20:44.24
would intimate that
he came from heaven.
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To say he is returning,
means he came from heaven.
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Right. Right. No,
Jesus came from heaven.
00:20:52.08\00:20:54.62
Came down to the
earth to create man.
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Man became a living soul
00:20:57.52\00:20:58.85
when the nails in the wood
got together, it was a house.
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It was a house.
00:21:02.52\00:21:03.86
When you took them
apart, there is no house.
00:21:03.93\00:21:05.26
Right. They're all gone.
00:21:05.29\00:21:06.63
Don't have a
house. Don't have a house.
00:21:06.66\00:21:08.16
And that's
very, very crucial man
00:21:08.20\00:21:10.33
was not given a soul,
00:21:10.37\00:21:11.83
grant a soul or souls
are not planted there.
00:21:11.87\00:21:13.80
He became and if
you become you can,
00:21:13.84\00:21:17.57
I'll invent a word, unbecome
00:21:17.61\00:21:19.47
if you don't have
the constituent parts.
00:21:19.51\00:21:21.24
So you got to have
breath and you got to have body.
00:21:21.28\00:21:24.95
Now this is the thing we
need to wrestle with gentlemen,
00:21:24.98\00:21:27.58
because we've established
that something does go back.
00:21:27.65\00:21:30.09
That's exactly right.
00:21:30.15\00:21:31.49
Does what goes
back have intelligence.
00:21:31.52\00:21:34.26
Is it alive? Is it thinking?
00:21:34.29\00:21:36.26
Is it walking? Is it talking?
00:21:36.29\00:21:37.93
Is it praising God?
00:21:37.96\00:21:39.29
Is it looking over the rampart
00:21:39.33\00:21:40.66
watching you and
Angie in the evening.
00:21:40.70\00:21:43.10
Watching you and
Chris as you stroll along.
00:21:43.13\00:21:45.57
There is
something there that's alive
00:21:45.60\00:21:48.10
and that's what we
need to deal with now.
00:21:48.14\00:21:49.47
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10. Yes.
00:21:49.50\00:21:53.31
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10.
00:21:53.34\00:21:57.18
I remember this here it is.
00:21:57.21\00:21:58.75
Yeah, while we
are in Ecclesiastes
00:21:58.78\00:22:00.22
we want to stay
there for a minute or two.
00:22:00.25\00:22:01.58
We got a couple
other texts here.
00:22:01.62\00:22:02.95
Okay.
00:22:02.98\00:22:04.32
You want to, you want
to do that, Pastor Kenny?
00:22:04.35\00:22:05.69
No, go ahead.
Yeah. Okay. Let's--
00:22:05.72\00:22:07.06
I'll read it at the 9 but, yeah.
00:22:07.09\00:22:08.42
Okay, here it is
Ecclesiastes 9:5,
00:22:08.46\00:22:10.73
"For the living
know that they will die."
00:22:10.76\00:22:14.83
What's gonna
happen to the living?
00:22:14.83\00:22:16.16
They are gonna die.
00:22:16.20\00:22:17.53
If the Bible didn't
say that we are gonna die,
00:22:17.57\00:22:19.70
it would have said,
the living know that
00:22:19.73\00:22:21.07
they will keep on living.
00:22:21.10\00:22:22.44
Well.
00:22:22.47\00:22:23.81
"The living know
that they will die,
00:22:23.87\00:22:25.21
but the dead know nothing,"
00:22:25.24\00:22:27.04
not anything as the
King James Version says.
00:22:27.08\00:22:29.18
But now let's
look at what happens.
00:22:29.21\00:22:30.55
What's their conscious?
00:22:30.61\00:22:31.95
What is their
conscious presence after death?
00:22:31.98\00:22:34.62
"And they have no more reward,
00:22:34.65\00:22:36.95
for the memory of
them is forgotten."
00:22:36.99\00:22:39.39
That doesn't mean that I forget
them that means they no longer,
00:22:39.42\00:22:41.96
their memory no longer function.
00:22:41.99\00:22:43.32
Right. Don't exist.
00:22:43.39\00:22:44.73
Verse 6, "Also
their love, their hatred,
00:22:44.76\00:22:48.36
and their envy
have now perished,
00:22:48.40\00:22:51.30
nevermore will they have a share
00:22:51.33\00:22:54.77
in anything done under the sun."
00:22:54.80\00:22:58.11
Never more.
00:22:58.14\00:22:59.47
So momma, ain't
coming back like you said.
00:22:59.51\00:23:01.44
Nobody, my baby not gonna be
walking around saying, mommy,
00:23:01.58\00:23:05.01
I'm not through
the Long Island Medium
00:23:05.05\00:23:07.15
and nobody is
sending no messages.
00:23:07.22\00:23:09.12
See I just went
to my g-stack mode.
00:23:09.15\00:23:10.99
Nobody is sending any messages
from the grave back to them.
00:23:12.59\00:23:15.59
Nobody in there twisting
the clock to ten after two.
00:23:15.62\00:23:18.69
Nobody painting
number 23 on your garage door
00:23:18.73\00:23:21.10
to remind you of
his basketball number
00:23:21.13\00:23:22.53
when he was playing
basketball, when he was alive.
00:23:22.56\00:23:24.23
Well.
00:23:24.27\00:23:25.60
This just, we're gonna show you
00:23:25.63\00:23:27.00
where that
comes from by the way.
00:23:27.04\00:23:28.37
Yeah, they have nothing
more to do with anything here.
00:23:28.40\00:23:31.21
So there is no one
upstairs waiting for you.
00:23:31.24\00:23:34.04
As a friend of my dad
says, send me numbers to play,
00:23:34.08\00:23:36.38
you know, so I can hit
the ladder or kind of thing.
00:23:36.61\00:23:38.71
That doesn't exist.
00:23:38.75\00:23:40.08
There is a spirit
that's responsible for that
00:23:40.12\00:23:42.38
but it's not your dead
mother, your dead father,
00:23:43.08\00:23:44.99
your dead uncle or your
friend or anything like that.
00:23:45.02\00:23:47.52
The Bible says when they die
00:23:47.56\00:23:49.26
in that second thoughts perish.
00:23:49.29\00:23:51.76
That's right. Have mercy.
00:23:51.79\00:23:53.13
Now verse 10 is the key.
00:23:53.16\00:23:54.46
Verse 10 is also the part,
00:23:54.50\00:23:56.00
Ecclesiastes 9:10
look what it says.
00:23:56.03\00:23:58.60
"Whatever your hand finds to do,
00:23:58.93\00:24:01.27
do it with your
might," and this is powerful.
00:24:01.30\00:24:04.01
It is.
00:24:04.04\00:24:05.37
"For there is no work or device
00:24:05.41\00:24:08.88
or knowledge or wisdom
00:24:08.91\00:24:11.28
in the grave
where you are going."
00:24:11.31\00:24:16.18
Mercy. Yeah. Can
that be any clear?
00:24:16.22\00:24:18.09
So somebody asks, what happen,
00:24:18.12\00:24:19.45
where you are
going when you die?
00:24:19.49\00:24:20.86
In the grave. Well,
how do you know that?
00:24:20.89\00:24:22.22
The Bible just said that. Amen.
00:24:22.26\00:24:23.66
But, you know, what the
problem today is, Pastor CA.
00:24:23.73\00:24:26.26
We take that single scripture
to be absent from the body
00:24:26.39\00:24:28.80
is to be present with the Lord
00:24:28.83\00:24:30.17
which is really not a scripture.
00:24:30.23\00:24:31.57
No.
00:24:31.60\00:24:32.93
And we build an
entire castle with one nail.
00:24:32.97\00:24:34.30
Yeah. Oh.
00:24:34.34\00:24:35.67
With one nail.
00:24:35.70\00:24:37.04
Those aren't
accurate, accurate reading
00:24:37.07\00:24:38.41
or understanding
of that particular,
00:24:38.47\00:24:39.91
of that particular text.
00:24:39.94\00:24:41.28
We are gonna look
at that, but go head,
00:24:41.31\00:24:42.64
let's go to the next one.
00:24:42.68\00:24:44.01
Now, Pastor Kenny, you
want to throw one in there?
00:24:44.05\00:24:45.45
But now let's talk
about the familiar spirit
00:24:45.48\00:24:46.98
as you're looking up,
you're looking up here?
00:24:47.02\00:24:48.35
Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.
00:24:48.38\00:24:49.72
How does, how do
we get to the place
00:24:49.75\00:24:52.52
where people
say I saw my mother.
00:24:53.02\00:24:55.69
I saw my cousin.
00:24:55.72\00:24:57.53
I saw my uncle
00:24:57.59\00:25:00.43
or I smell my dad's
cologne in the house
00:25:00.46\00:25:03.87
the same when we
buried in last year.
00:25:04.27\00:25:07.34
Of course that's
cologne that ain't your dad,
00:25:07.37\00:25:09.50
but when you start seeing things
00:25:09.54\00:25:11.27
that look like you parents
listen to what the Bible says.
00:25:11.31\00:25:14.81
Leviticus 19:31
I'm gonna read it.
00:25:14.84\00:25:19.48
"Regard not them that
have familiar spirits,
00:25:20.75\00:25:25.42
neither seek after
wizards, to be defiled by them."
00:25:25.49\00:25:30.93
Ecclesiastes 20:6,
"And the soul that turneth
00:25:30.96\00:25:34.30
after such as
have familiar spirits,
00:25:34.30\00:25:37.90
after wizards,
00:25:37.93\00:25:40.70
I will even set my
face against that soul,
00:25:40.74\00:25:42.87
and cut him off
from among his people."
00:25:42.90\00:25:45.04
And the one that, you know,
00:25:45.07\00:25:46.47
Isaiah 8:20 don't
we always quote that?
00:25:46.51\00:25:49.44
Absolutely. You
know what Isaiah 8:19 is?
00:25:49.48\00:25:52.38
Pastor Kenny, let me give
you a chance to register here.
00:25:53.68\00:25:55.82
Isaiah 8:19 look
at that very quickly
00:25:55.85\00:25:59.05
because, you know,
now the horse is out.
00:25:59.09\00:26:01.16
It's out. The
horse is out, yeah.
00:26:01.19\00:26:03.66
Look at Isaiah 8:19.
00:26:03.69\00:26:05.23
We often read Isaiah 8:20.
00:26:05.26\00:26:06.73
Pastor CA, you want
to read Isaiah 8:19?
00:26:06.76\00:26:08.46
Oh, yeah, "and
when they say to you,
00:26:08.50\00:26:10.20
'Seek those who are
mediums and wizards,
00:26:10.27\00:26:12.63
who whisper and mutter,'
00:26:12.67\00:26:14.04
should not a people
seek after their God?
00:26:14.07\00:26:16.20
Should they seek the
dead on behalf of the living?"
00:26:16.24\00:26:18.84
Oh, mercy. There you go.
00:26:18.87\00:26:20.21
Yeah.
00:26:20.28\00:26:21.61
You go, there are
people go to séances nowadays
00:26:21.64\00:26:23.95
holding hands in darkrooms
00:26:23.98\00:26:25.48
trying to condor
up demonic spirits
00:26:25.51\00:26:28.05
thinking that they
are getting a message.
00:26:28.08\00:26:29.82
And then they have
these new shows nowadays.
00:26:29.85\00:26:31.55
I don't know if the Long
Island Medium is still on.
00:26:31.59\00:26:34.06
But they have
these programs nowadays
00:26:34.09\00:26:35.42
with some lady who
is a housewife said,
00:26:35.46\00:26:38.69
"Well, I got, I
could contact the dead
00:26:38.73\00:26:41.70
on behalf of the living."
00:26:41.73\00:26:43.06
Mercy.
00:26:43.10\00:26:44.43
So she's making millions
of dollars telling lies,
00:26:44.47\00:26:46.30
but I want to tell you
these are Satan's emissaries.
00:26:46.33\00:26:49.64
Yes.
00:26:49.67\00:26:51.01
They are bringing that
messages from the dark.
00:26:51.04\00:26:52.87
But they are not bringing
them back from your relatives.
00:26:52.91\00:26:54.24
Trying to deceive
you. Trying to deceive.
00:26:54.28\00:26:56.24
You know, I heard a
story one time many years ago
00:26:56.28\00:26:59.38
then I'll read something.
00:26:59.41\00:27:00.85
It was-- we need to know
this truth even in our sleep,
00:27:00.88\00:27:06.25
even in our dreams.
00:27:06.29\00:27:08.06
And I was, it was
probably about two or three days
00:27:08.09\00:27:11.33
after my dad had passed
away, he was on my mind.
00:27:11.36\00:27:14.56
It was a Sunday
afternoon or whatever
00:27:14.56\00:27:16.13
and just had the funeral anyway.
00:27:16.16\00:27:17.50
I laid down on
the couch downstairs
00:27:17.57\00:27:20.84
and went to sleep.
00:27:20.87\00:27:22.30
And I dreamed, I
heard a knock at the door
00:27:22.34\00:27:26.24
and it was real to me.
00:27:26.27\00:27:27.61
You know, it was real.
00:27:27.64\00:27:28.98
And so I thought oh,
I'm gonna open the door.
00:27:29.01\00:27:30.35
And so we had a double
doors and I opened the door
00:27:30.38\00:27:32.41
and then we had the
full glass storm door.
00:27:32.45\00:27:35.62
And opened the
door and I looked in,
00:27:35.65\00:27:36.99
there stood my dad.
00:27:37.02\00:27:38.35
I'm looking eyeball to eyeball
00:27:39.25\00:27:40.86
three feet away the
door is still closed
00:27:40.89\00:27:43.83
and I'm looking at him like this
00:27:43.86\00:27:46.16
and he says to
me "Kenny, it's me.
00:27:46.19\00:27:49.66
I really didn't die.
00:27:49.70\00:27:52.80
Look at me, can't
you tell my voice.
00:27:52.83\00:27:54.44
Look at my
mannerism everything it's me."
00:27:54.47\00:27:57.17
And I'm looking at him
and I said, it can't be.
00:27:57.21\00:28:00.94
The Bible says
you can't come back.
00:28:01.01\00:28:02.81
"The dead know not
anything" He said, "It's me.
00:28:02.84\00:28:05.41
Let me in, just open
the door and I'll come in."
00:28:05.45\00:28:08.02
And I said, Dad, as much I--
00:28:08.05\00:28:09.38
if it's dad you say how
much would like for that
00:28:09.42\00:28:11.65
to be repeated and come back.
00:28:11.69\00:28:13.89
I said, "No, you cannot be."
00:28:13.92\00:28:16.62
And I took the other
door and I closed the door.
00:28:16.66\00:28:19.09
And then I opened the
door and he wasn't there.
00:28:19.53\00:28:21.53
He was gone.
00:28:21.56\00:28:22.90
And I was thinking,
you know, in my mind
00:28:22.93\00:28:24.27
we think about these things.
00:28:24.30\00:28:25.63
We think it happens.
00:28:25.67\00:28:27.04
We may be confronted in reality
with those things someday.
00:28:27.07\00:28:30.71
How will we stand on the issue?
00:28:30.74\00:28:32.11
Bible says, here
I will read quickly
00:28:32.14\00:28:33.48
in the Book of Job verse 10.
00:28:33.51\00:28:35.91
We know this well,
all times you read it,
00:28:35.94\00:28:37.88
you know in the
funerals and different things.
00:28:37.91\00:28:39.91
Said "But man
dieth, and he wasteth away"
00:28:39.95\00:28:42.62
because he goes
back to the dust.
00:28:42.65\00:28:43.99
That's right, Job 14.
00:28:44.02\00:28:45.35
"Yea, man giveth up the
ghost," what is the ghost?
00:28:45.39\00:28:47.96
His spirit. His
spirit. It's breath of life.
00:28:47.99\00:28:50.63
"Where is he?"
00:28:50.66\00:28:51.99
That's what I like
to say, where is he?
00:28:52.03\00:28:53.40
Well, he is died,
he's gone, where is he?
00:28:53.43\00:28:54.73
The Bible says in
verse 12, "So man lieth down,
00:28:54.76\00:28:57.80
and riseth not, till
the heavens be no more,
00:28:58.17\00:29:01.27
they shall not awake,
00:29:01.30\00:29:03.37
nor be raised
out of their sleep."
00:29:03.44\00:29:05.41
And we know sleep,
Jesus talked about it,
00:29:05.44\00:29:07.11
we know sleep is and
mentioned about 50 some time
00:29:07.14\00:29:09.71
in the New
Testament, sleep is death.
00:29:09.74\00:29:11.41
Right. Not do we wake out dead.
00:29:11.45\00:29:13.85
Verse 14, so if a man
die here's a question.
00:29:13.88\00:29:16.72
Now this is for people
maybe who've never read it.
00:29:16.82\00:29:18.49
"If a man die,
shall he live again?"
00:29:18.52\00:29:21.92
Bible said, "All the days of
my appointed time will I wait,"
00:29:21.96\00:29:26.63
where is he gonna wait?
00:29:26.66\00:29:28.13
In the grave. In the grave.
00:29:28.16\00:29:29.60
"Till my change come."
00:29:29.63\00:29:30.97
Somebody say, oh,
so your change comes.
00:29:31.00\00:29:32.33
It comes to death.
00:29:32.37\00:29:33.74
What does 1 Corinthian say
about when the change comes?
00:29:33.77\00:29:35.84
Go for it.
00:29:35.87\00:29:37.21
1 Corinthians the
Bible said in verse,
00:29:37.24\00:29:38.57
Chapter 15 verse 51.
00:29:38.61\00:29:40.48
Paul says, "I
behold, I show you" what?
00:29:40.51\00:29:43.11
"A mystery, we
shall not all sleep,"
00:29:43.14\00:29:45.78
Paul knew about it.
00:29:45.81\00:29:47.15
Paul knew about
death. He knew it was sleep.
00:29:47.22\00:29:48.65
He said, we shall not
all sleep, but we all" what?
00:29:48.68\00:29:50.69
Gonna "Be changed." Changed.
00:29:50.72\00:29:52.05
You say, okay, when the change?
00:29:52.09\00:29:53.96
Job would say I'm
gonna wait in the grave.
00:29:54.42\00:29:56.26
That's right.
Okay, where do I change?
00:29:56.29\00:29:58.06
"In a moment, in
the twinkling of an eye,
00:29:58.09\00:30:00.10
at the last trump,"
00:30:00.13\00:30:02.66
the change comes
at the last trump.
00:30:02.70\00:30:05.17
The last trump is
sounded when Jesus what?
00:30:05.20\00:30:07.50
He comes. That' right.
00:30:07.54\00:30:08.87
"So sound, the dead
shall be raised" what?
00:30:08.90\00:30:11.04
"Incorruptible." Yeah,
"and we shall be changed.
00:30:11.07\00:30:13.34
For this corruptible
must put on incorruption,
00:30:13.38\00:30:16.48
and this mortal" notice
this, "must put on" what?
00:30:16.51\00:30:19.08
"Immortality." "Immortality."
00:30:19.11\00:30:20.48
When are we given
immortality? At the last trump.
00:30:20.52\00:30:22.15
At the last trump,
at the coming of Christ,
00:30:22.18\00:30:24.29
the finishing touches
is given to His saints.
00:30:24.32\00:30:27.02
That's a
sequence. That's a sequence.
00:30:27.06\00:30:28.76
He is telling
when it's gonna happen.
00:30:28.79\00:30:30.13
How it's gonna happen
and when it's gonna happen.
00:30:30.19\00:30:31.96
You know, what so
wonderful about that?
00:30:31.99\00:30:33.36
Yeah, wonderful.
00:30:33.40\00:30:34.73
The point that
the Bible is making,
00:30:34.73\00:30:36.06
I won't even say the point
that Pastor Kenny has made,
00:30:36.10\00:30:37.43
but the point that
the Bible is making
00:30:37.47\00:30:38.83
as you cannot go to heaven
00:30:38.87\00:30:40.50
in the same
condition you are here now.
00:30:40.57\00:30:41.90
Correct.
00:30:41.94\00:30:43.27
You got to be changed
from mortal to immortal
00:30:43.30\00:30:46.27
to exist in the
presence of an immortal God.
00:30:47.24\00:30:49.64
Thank you. Precisely.
00:30:49.68\00:30:51.01
And only God the
Bible says has immortality.
00:30:51.05\00:30:52.65
You are not born with
it. You don't have it.
00:30:52.98\00:30:54.65
God has one, one
verse in the Bible.
00:30:54.68\00:30:56.02
Precisely.
00:30:56.05\00:30:57.42
But now this whole thing about
coming back to their house.
00:30:57.45\00:30:58.85
Want to finish the
text? No. No. Good. Good. Go.
00:30:58.89\00:31:00.86
Listen to Job
Chapter 7, Job 7:9, 10.
00:31:00.89\00:31:06.03
As the cloud and write
these down Job 7:9, 10,
00:31:06.06\00:31:10.33
"As the cloud
disappears and vanishes away,"
00:31:10.43\00:31:14.64
so he goes down to the grave
00:31:14.67\00:31:17.94
"so he who goes down to
the grave does not come up.
00:31:17.97\00:31:22.64
He shall never
return to his house,
00:31:22.68\00:31:26.98
nor shall his
place know him anymore."
00:31:27.02\00:31:29.92
That's right. How clear is that?
00:31:29.95\00:31:31.29
That's so clear.
00:31:31.32\00:31:32.65
So this idea
that momma coming back
00:31:32.69\00:31:34.26
and daddy coming back
00:31:34.29\00:31:35.62
and getting a message
from the Long Island Medium.
00:31:35.66\00:31:37.73
Yeah.
00:31:37.76\00:31:39.36
You know, they
have these phrases
00:31:39.39\00:31:40.76
that you go to funerals nowadays
00:31:40.80\00:31:42.10
and they have these lies
00:31:42.13\00:31:43.47
that are coming from
the pulpous of America.
00:31:43.50\00:31:44.87
These are men that are
under Satan's influence
00:31:44.90\00:31:46.97
to continue to proliferate these
00:31:47.00\00:31:48.40
if they say they
know the Word of God.
00:31:48.44\00:31:49.77
Am I telling the
truth, Pastor Kenny?
00:31:49.94\00:31:51.27
Now you're telling the truth.
00:31:51.31\00:31:52.64
How could you say
you know God's word
00:31:52.67\00:31:54.01
and tell a lie and
it's not in God's word?
00:31:54.04\00:31:55.64
Yes, that's right.
00:31:55.68\00:31:57.01
And you make it, you
give it such credibility.
00:31:57.08\00:31:58.45
You know, my brother
is in heaven right now
00:31:58.48\00:32:00.25
looking down on us today.
00:32:00.32\00:32:02.05
That's not the truth.
00:32:02.08\00:32:03.42
Let me go ahead and, you
know, they have these phrases.
00:32:03.49\00:32:07.26
They first, first they used
to call it home going services.
00:32:07.29\00:32:11.16
I mean, that's the
phrase they used to have.
00:32:11.19\00:32:12.53
Yes.
00:32:12.56\00:32:13.90
But now they call it home going.
00:32:13.93\00:32:15.23
But let me give
you some credibility
00:32:15.26\00:32:16.77
for the home going idea.
00:32:16.83\00:32:18.23
Job 17:13 and then we are
gonna go to the New Testament.
00:32:18.27\00:32:21.64
It's all right.
00:32:21.67\00:32:23.00
Because there are
some people that teach well
00:32:23.04\00:32:24.37
in the Old
Testament they had to wait,
00:32:24.41\00:32:26.21
but then after Jesus rose
and they go directly to heaven,
00:32:26.24\00:32:29.41
that's another untruth.
00:32:29.44\00:32:30.81
That's not there.
00:32:30.85\00:32:32.18
Job 17:13, do you have that.
00:32:32.21\00:32:34.52
Look at this.
00:32:34.55\00:32:36.15
He says, "If I
wait for the" if I wait,
00:32:36.18\00:32:40.62
you're there, Pastor Kenny?
00:32:40.66\00:32:41.99
Yeah. Read it--
00:32:42.02\00:32:43.36
"The grave is
mine house." Read it.
00:32:43.39\00:32:44.83
"If I wait, the
grave is mine house,
00:32:44.86\00:32:47.03
I have made my
bed in the darkness."
00:32:47.10\00:32:49.73
Exactly.
00:32:49.76\00:32:51.10
If I wait, the
grave is mine house,
00:32:51.13\00:32:52.83
I have made my
bed in the darkness."
00:32:52.90\00:32:54.57
Yes. Yes--
00:32:54.60\00:32:55.94
Because in Job
Chapter 14, Job said,
00:32:55.97\00:32:57.34
hide me in the grave
till your wrath is passed.
00:32:57.37\00:33:01.01
Appoint me at said
time and remember me.
00:33:01.04\00:33:04.08
That's what Job said. Yes.
00:33:04.15\00:33:05.55
So Job is saying,
00:33:05.58\00:33:06.92
I'll wait right here
till your wrath is passed.
00:33:06.95\00:33:09.15
What wrath?
00:33:09.18\00:33:10.52
The seven last plagues,
00:33:10.59\00:33:11.92
then you appoint me at
said time and remember me.
00:33:11.95\00:33:14.09
You know, and then I know
00:33:14.16\00:33:15.49
what's going on
the heads of the people
00:33:15.52\00:33:16.86
but now let's go
and deal with this
00:33:16.89\00:33:18.26
absent from the body text.
00:33:18.29\00:33:19.76
You know, before
we do that, John,
00:33:19.79\00:33:21.73
I just want to
put a little nail here
00:33:21.76\00:33:23.77
in the coffin that's a
word in the Old Testament.
00:33:23.83\00:33:25.37
If you want a
definitive statement,
00:33:25.40\00:33:26.74
I'm in Ezekiel 18.
00:33:26.80\00:33:28.14
Oh, yes.
00:33:28.17\00:33:29.50
It says it twice
in the same chapter,
00:33:29.54\00:33:30.87
Ezekiel 18...
00:33:30.91\00:33:33.54
Verse 4. Verse 4.
00:33:33.58\00:33:35.38
"Behold, all souls are
Mine, the soul of the father
00:33:35.41\00:33:38.38
as well as the soul
of the son are Mine,
00:33:38.41\00:33:40.52
the soul that sins shall die."
00:33:40.58\00:33:43.69
So the soul does die.
00:33:43.75\00:33:45.89
It ceases to exist.
00:33:45.92\00:33:47.26
And of course, it is,
this is reiterated in verse 20.
00:33:47.32\00:33:51.83
"The soul that sins shall die."
00:33:51.86\00:33:53.19
You can't get any
plainer than that.
00:33:53.23\00:33:54.56
Amen. No.
00:33:54.56\00:33:55.90
"The son shall not bear
the guilt of the father,
00:33:55.93\00:33:57.30
nor the father bear
the guilt of the son."
00:33:57.33\00:33:58.83
But that soul,
that sin shall die.
00:33:58.87\00:34:01.57
So souls do die,
they ceased to exist
00:34:01.60\00:34:04.67
when the breath is
separated from the body.
00:34:04.71\00:34:07.98
Now the word breath,
spirit are interchangeable
00:34:08.01\00:34:11.28
particularly in
the Old Testament
00:34:11.31\00:34:12.88
we got the word
"ruach" used some 377 times
00:34:12.91\00:34:16.32
but in no instance
does it give any indication,
00:34:16.35\00:34:19.42
Pastor John, Pastor Kenny,
00:34:19.45\00:34:20.79
of a conscious
entity going back to heaven.
00:34:20.86\00:34:23.53
It's just air or breath.
00:34:23.56\00:34:25.16
In the New
Testament it's "pneuma"
00:34:25.19\00:34:26.70
from which we get
pneumatic times, air or breath
00:34:26.73\00:34:29.43
but there is no consciousness
to that air or breath.
00:34:29.53\00:34:32.20
It is the same breath
that God breathed into Adam
00:34:32.23\00:34:34.70
returning to
the God who gave it.
00:34:34.74\00:34:36.34
But there is no
evidence anywhere in scripture
00:34:36.37\00:34:38.87
of a conscious entity
and soul going back to heaven
00:34:38.91\00:34:42.11
to live a wondrous life.
00:34:42.14\00:34:43.51
Really, and I tell folk
this in some of my sermons,
00:34:43.55\00:34:45.78
if we go to heaven when we die,
00:34:45.81\00:34:50.55
then Christ is
coming back for nothing
00:34:50.59\00:34:54.02
and He is wasting gas.
00:34:54.06\00:34:56.16
You know, we're already there.
00:34:56.19\00:34:57.59
Why would He
come back down here,
00:34:57.79\00:34:59.13
waste gas, come back
down here and take who?
00:34:59.16\00:35:00.56
If you are there,
there's no need to come back
00:35:00.86\00:35:02.16
for a trip to make another trip
back down here if you go up.
00:35:02.20\00:35:05.73
But He is coming back He says,
00:35:05.77\00:35:07.24
"I'm coming
quickly" in Revelation 20
00:35:07.27\00:35:09.00
"and my reward is with me."
00:35:09.04\00:35:11.87
That's when you get your
reward, not when you die.
00:35:11.91\00:35:13.31
That's right.
00:35:13.38\00:35:14.71
1 Corinthians Chapter
15, the entire passage
00:35:14.74\00:35:16.51
but that's not where I'm going.
00:35:16.54\00:35:17.88
I'm going to John. Okay.
00:35:17.91\00:35:19.31
We're gonna, see, we got to
go fast as we can, Pastor Kenny.
00:35:19.35\00:35:21.92
Yeah, we're running.
John, what do you want, John.
00:35:21.95\00:35:23.28
John Chapter 14.
00:35:23.32\00:35:25.79
John Chapter 14.
00:35:25.82\00:35:27.16
I'm with you.
Okay, John Chapter 14.
00:35:27.19\00:35:31.06
Okay, and I want to
first start with John 13:33.
00:35:31.09\00:35:38.00
and in verse 36
00:35:38.03\00:35:43.67
Jesus speaks about
two different destinies.
00:35:43.71\00:35:45.57
He is talking to Peter,
00:35:45.61\00:35:46.98
one He is referring
to going back to heaven.
00:35:47.04\00:35:49.71
Secondly, He is
referring to going to the cross.
00:35:49.74\00:35:52.48
Remember, Peter was
crucified upside down.
00:35:52.51\00:35:55.32
So now let's
look at the first one.
00:35:55.35\00:35:57.39
Verse 33 of John Chapter 13.
00:35:57.45\00:36:00.32
Jesus now He says in
verse 31, now the Son of Man,
00:36:00.39\00:36:05.16
"So, when he had gone out,
00:36:05.19\00:36:07.13
Jesus said, 'Now the
Son of Man is glorified,
00:36:07.13\00:36:10.20
and God is glorified in Him.
00:36:10.27\00:36:12.97
If God is glorified in Him,
00:36:13.00\00:36:14.34
God will also
glorify Him in Himself,
00:36:14.37\00:36:16.91
and glorify Him immediately.'"
00:36:16.94\00:36:19.24
Now verse 33 "Little children,
00:36:19.27\00:36:21.91
I shall be with you
a little while longer.
00:36:21.94\00:36:26.15
You will seek Me, and
as I said to the Jews,
00:36:26.18\00:36:30.39
'Where I am
going, you cannot come,'
00:36:30.42\00:36:34.69
so now I say to you."
00:36:34.72\00:36:36.06
Powerful. Yeah.
00:36:36.09\00:36:37.43
So what I said to
them I'm telling you.
00:36:37.46\00:36:39.93
I said it to the Jews,
so now I'm saying it to you.
00:36:40.00\00:36:42.96
"Where I am
going, you cannot come."
00:36:43.00\00:36:45.00
John 14:1-3, Pastor.
00:36:45.03\00:36:47.94
Now how, if He is not,
00:36:47.97\00:36:49.30
if we can't go there,
how we're gonna get there.
00:36:49.34\00:36:51.57
John 14, don't rush through
it. Oh, that's beautiful.
00:36:51.61\00:36:53.54
Break it down.
00:36:53.58\00:36:54.91
Bible say in verse 1 says,
00:36:54.94\00:36:56.28
"Let not your
heart be troubled,"
00:36:56.31\00:36:58.41
then it says, "believe
in God, believe also in Me."
00:36:58.45\00:37:01.75
He is setting up some principle.
00:37:01.78\00:37:03.15
He is setting us
up, you can trust me.
00:37:03.18\00:37:04.79
You know, I like
it where He says,
00:37:05.39\00:37:06.72
I will come in the word of God.
00:37:06.79\00:37:08.36
It's in the
tense if it's already.
00:37:08.39\00:37:09.86
You amplify that too. Yeah.
00:37:09.89\00:37:11.66
"In My Father's
house are many mansions,
00:37:11.69\00:37:13.66
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
00:37:14.10\00:37:15.63
I go to prepare a place for you.
00:37:15.66\00:37:17.10
And if I go to
prepare a place for you,
00:37:17.17\00:37:18.73
I will come again and
receive you unto Myself,
00:37:18.77\00:37:22.27
that where I am,
there you may be also."
00:37:22.30\00:37:25.34
Yeah, see, the
receiving unto Himself
00:37:25.37\00:37:27.48
comes when He comes to get us.
00:37:27.51\00:37:29.78
I probably I misquoted
a scripture a moment ago.
00:37:29.81\00:37:32.58
I said, Revelation
20, it's Revelation 22:12
00:37:32.61\00:37:35.35
"Behold, I come quickly,
and my reward is with me."
00:37:35.38\00:37:37.52
So the sequence is I
come, then you get the reward.
00:37:37.59\00:37:41.19
That's right. Now you
get the reward at death.
00:37:41.22\00:37:42.86
Right. And the
reward and it's clear.
00:37:42.89\00:37:45.16
So when you read the scripture
00:37:45.19\00:37:46.53
He says I will come
again and receive you.
00:37:46.56\00:37:49.50
Precisely. I'm gonna
come back to get you.
00:37:50.17\00:37:52.67
Now let's look at the
come back and getting part,
00:37:52.70\00:37:55.14
1 Thessalonians 4.
I'm gonna come back again.
00:37:55.17\00:37:57.61
The way that's written, the
way that's written in the Greek
00:37:57.64\00:38:01.31
"I will come again" as thought
it's already taken place.
00:38:01.34\00:38:04.95
I thought that was
interesting. Right.
00:38:04.98\00:38:06.58
As though it's already taken.
00:38:06.61\00:38:07.95
We know seconding
coming, He's not come yet
00:38:07.98\00:38:09.65
but the way it's
written we can count on Him,
00:38:09.68\00:38:11.49
we can bank on Him,
see how beautiful that is.
00:38:11.52\00:38:13.29
He's saying, right,
00:38:13.32\00:38:14.66
He is saying this in
the affirmative sense.
00:38:14.69\00:38:16.19
Amen.
00:38:16.22\00:38:17.56
Not on the sense that
it has already happened
00:38:17.59\00:38:19.09
but in the
affirmation you, in other words,
00:38:19.13\00:38:20.96
you can count on Him.
00:38:21.00\00:38:22.60
That's what this is--
Yeah, this is gonna happen.
00:38:22.63\00:38:24.27
You can, I will come
again. I will come again.
00:38:24.30\00:38:26.60
So we say why
we're waiting for the,
00:38:26.63\00:38:27.97
why we're waiting
for the coming of Jesus?
00:38:28.00\00:38:29.90
Because we know at
the coming of Jesus,
00:38:30.21\00:38:31.87
there's something
that's going to happen
00:38:31.91\00:38:33.58
that has not yet happened.
00:38:33.61\00:38:34.94
And, you know,
what's been deleted
00:38:34.98\00:38:36.31
from Christianity as
you go to 1 Thessalonians.
00:38:36.34\00:38:37.75
Oh, is there where I'm going.
1 Thessalonians Chapter 4.
00:38:37.78\00:38:39.91
You know, it's been
deleted, Pastor, Pastors.
00:38:39.95\00:38:42.72
The resurrection
has been deleted.
00:38:42.75\00:38:44.35
Yes. Oh, my.
00:38:44.39\00:38:45.72
The resurrection
has been ignored.
00:38:45.75\00:38:48.76
If we really
believe in the resurrection
00:38:49.96\00:38:52.03
then we would stay clearly
00:38:52.06\00:38:53.80
what the
resurrection is all about.
00:38:53.83\00:38:55.13
Well.
00:38:55.16\00:38:56.50
Now I've heard there
are some songs nowadays,
00:38:56.53\00:38:58.47
the Christian songs,
secular songs that talk about,
00:38:58.50\00:39:02.20
you know, "I'm dying
and going home tonight."
00:39:02.24\00:39:06.57
Well, you're going home like to
the mausoleum in the graveyard?
00:39:06.61\00:39:10.28
That's the only
home you are going to.
00:39:10.31\00:39:11.78
Not trying to be cynical
but these are the methods
00:39:11.81\00:39:14.48
by which these
untruths are told.
00:39:14.52\00:39:16.38
Now, let's talk about
the coming of the Lord.
00:39:16.42\00:39:17.92
Yeah, now I want to
add, just want to start with
00:39:17.95\00:39:19.45
and we are going, and I
knew we all get to this verse.
00:39:19.49\00:39:22.22
I did 117
funerals at my last church.
00:39:22.26\00:39:24.09
I did use this text at
every single one of them.
00:39:24.16\00:39:26.66
So I want to
start with the backend.
00:39:26.73\00:39:28.10
Okay--
00:39:28.13\00:39:29.46
Therefore comfort one
another with these words
00:39:29.50\00:39:32.63
saying that when you
know the truth about death,
00:39:32.67\00:39:34.97
it's a comforting thing.
00:39:35.00\00:39:36.34
It's a comforting
thing. It's a comforting thing.
00:39:36.37\00:39:37.71
If my loved one is
in heaven watching me
00:39:37.74\00:39:43.14
and suppose I'm
having a bad time in my life,
00:39:43.18\00:39:45.18
suppose I'm
struggling out on drugs,
00:39:45.21\00:39:46.55
suppose something bad--
00:39:46.58\00:39:47.92
how can they enjoy
the heavenly experience
00:39:47.95\00:39:49.75
watching me down here suffer?
00:39:49.78\00:39:51.69
It makes no sense.
00:39:51.72\00:39:53.05
How can heaven be heaven
00:39:53.09\00:39:54.42
and you're looking down
here on earth full of sin
00:39:54.46\00:39:56.93
and people taking
God's name in vain
00:39:56.96\00:39:58.63
and rape and
torture and war and murder
00:39:58.66\00:40:00.90
and you are down looking
on that and that's heaven?
00:40:00.93\00:40:02.90
That's not heaven, that's hell.
00:40:02.93\00:40:04.53
That makes no sense.
00:40:04.57\00:40:05.90
But the truth about death
00:40:05.93\00:40:08.94
and what happens at
death we are told is a comfort,
00:40:08.97\00:40:13.17
comfort one
another with these words.
00:40:13.21\00:40:15.18
Now let's go to these words.
00:40:15.21\00:40:16.54
Now let me throw
something before we read that,
00:40:16.58\00:40:17.91
because this is something
00:40:17.95\00:40:19.28
that people don't
even think logically on.
00:40:19.31\00:40:21.92
The angels don't
even see us from heaven.
00:40:21.95\00:40:25.15
The angels have
to come down here.
00:40:25.19\00:40:27.92
The only one that's omniscient,
00:40:27.96\00:40:29.79
omnipotent and
omnipresent is God.
00:40:29.82\00:40:32.09
Yeah, is God. All right.
00:40:32.13\00:40:33.46
So how do we now
wherever heaven is
00:40:33.50\00:40:38.13
get the ability at death
to see all the way from heaven
00:40:38.17\00:40:42.47
down to earth and
look at the affairs of men?
00:40:42.50\00:40:45.61
How do we do that?
00:40:45.64\00:40:47.01
Doesn't it go back to the
very lie Satan told to Eve
00:40:47.04\00:40:49.24
you will be like
God on good and evil.
00:40:49.28\00:40:51.35
You gonna be, if you disobey
you will be just like him.
00:40:51.38\00:40:54.15
Now we can't, we're
gonna read that text
00:40:54.18\00:40:55.78
but we have to, we have
to deal with this absent
00:40:55.82\00:40:58.15
from the body thing.
00:40:58.19\00:40:59.75
I'm gonna read
two scriptures. Okay,
00:40:59.79\00:41:01.39
Let's get through the
message at the Thessalonica,
00:41:01.42\00:41:03.63
then I want to
drop that on you, John,
00:41:03.66\00:41:05.29
so you kind of
walk us through that.
00:41:05.33\00:41:06.83
"For the Lord himself
shall descend from heaven"
00:41:06.90\00:41:08.50
I'm sorry, Pastor Kenny.
00:41:08.53\00:41:09.86
No, go ahead.
00:41:09.90\00:41:11.23
"With a shout, with
the voice of the archangel,
00:41:11.27\00:41:12.60
and with the trump of God,
00:41:12.63\00:41:14.00
and the dead in
Christ will rise first."
00:41:14.04\00:41:15.64
Okay. Break.
00:41:15.67\00:41:17.87
Okay, dead in Christ,
00:41:17.91\00:41:19.24
so those and I wish to say this
00:41:19.27\00:41:21.68
at all my
funerals that I conducted.
00:41:21.71\00:41:23.91
Death in Christ is
not such a bad thing.
00:41:24.01\00:41:26.15
Better to die in Jesus
than to live without Him.
00:41:26.18\00:41:28.85
So the dead in
Christ are gonna rise first.
00:41:28.88\00:41:31.52
Now those are the "Saved folk"
00:41:31.55\00:41:34.69
they are going to rise
first at the second coming.
00:41:34.72\00:41:37.59
They're coming up
first and of course--
00:41:37.63\00:41:40.36
well, I want to jump.
00:41:40.40\00:41:41.70
I don't want to
jump the tracks here
00:41:41.73\00:41:43.90
but the dead in Christ,
00:41:43.93\00:41:45.27
safe people are
gonna rise first.
00:41:45.30\00:41:46.97
So that's very, very important
00:41:47.37\00:41:48.70
because they
didn't get to heaven,
00:41:48.74\00:41:50.34
they are not in heaven they
are coming up from the ground,
00:41:50.37\00:41:52.24
all right just
like the redecoration,
00:41:52.27\00:41:54.04
they will be recreated
as they were once created.
00:41:54.11\00:41:57.21
They get to rise first. Okay.
00:41:57.28\00:41:59.15
All right, you want to
pick up the second one?
00:41:59.18\00:42:00.62
Okay, "Then we which
are alive and remain"
00:42:00.65\00:42:03.99
what until the coming
"shall by no means" what?
00:42:04.02\00:42:08.12
Prevent. "Prevent
those who have" what?
00:42:08.16\00:42:10.36
"Fallen asleep." That's right.
00:42:10.43\00:42:11.99
Okay, now the very next verse.
00:42:12.03\00:42:14.00
Is that 17?
00:42:14.00\00:42:15.33
I'm in 17, because
you're actually conflating
00:42:15.36\00:42:16.73
two texts here but,
"Then we which are alive
00:42:16.77\00:42:18.47
and remain shall be
caught up together with them
00:42:18.50\00:42:20.94
in the clouds, to
meet the Lord in the air."
00:42:20.97\00:42:23.17
So Christ is not technically
coming back down to this earth
00:42:23.20\00:42:26.41
at this time He is
coming to the proximity
00:42:26.44\00:42:28.98
and He is drawing us up to Him.
00:42:29.01\00:42:30.71
He is bringing us up to Him.
00:42:30.75\00:42:32.25
We come to meet
Him at that time.
00:42:32.28\00:42:34.32
Who is meeting Him? Yeah.
00:42:34.35\00:42:35.68
Wait, wait, wait, I
went ahead of myself.
00:42:35.72\00:42:37.55
The dead in
Christ are raised first,
00:42:37.59\00:42:39.82
then we who are alive are
caught up together with them
00:42:39.85\00:42:45.93
to meet, let's say the
word together, to meet.
00:42:45.96\00:42:49.23
So which means we
haven't met Him yet.
00:42:49.26\00:42:50.80
Right. That's right.
00:42:50.83\00:42:52.17
We tell we are
taught by popular churches
00:42:52.20\00:42:53.87
they met Him and they died.
00:42:53.90\00:42:55.67
But how would they meet Him
00:42:55.70\00:42:57.24
if the living in
Christ didn't meet Him yet.
00:42:57.27\00:42:59.44
Because the living
in the dead together
00:42:59.57\00:43:01.71
well, the dead
will be resurrected.
00:43:01.74\00:43:03.08
That's an important point, John,
00:43:03.11\00:43:04.45
that we meet together.
00:43:04.48\00:43:05.81
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. We meet Him together.
00:43:05.85\00:43:08.15
They didn't, the text
that you are alluding to
00:43:08.18\00:43:09.75
about those preventing for God
has given us something better
00:43:09.82\00:43:12.29
in Hebrews that they didn't,
00:43:12.32\00:43:13.66
they didn't get there before us.
00:43:13.69\00:43:15.46
We all meet together
and go there together.
00:43:15.49\00:43:18.69
So we meet and go together
00:43:18.73\00:43:20.10
and that's a very crucial
point adds to the sequence.
00:43:20.13\00:43:22.23
The dead and the
living meet Him together.
00:43:22.26\00:43:25.57
You don't get there before me,
00:43:25.60\00:43:26.94
you don't get there
one second before I do,
00:43:27.00\00:43:28.64
we get there
together, praise God.
00:43:28.67\00:43:30.01
Praise the Lord--
00:43:30.07\00:43:31.41
And the text you
alluded to here is verse
00:43:31.44\00:43:32.81
and I'm gonna go
ahead and read it
00:43:32.84\00:43:34.18
in Hebrews,
we're gonna continue.
00:43:34.24\00:43:35.58
Go ahead--
00:43:35.61\00:43:36.95
Hebrews Chapter
11, Hebrews Chapter 11,
00:43:36.98\00:43:38.31
the Bible says in verse 35
00:43:38.35\00:43:39.98
they, "Others were tortured,
not accepting deliverance,
00:43:40.02\00:43:42.92
that they might obtain
a better resurrection."
00:43:42.95\00:43:45.49
Yes, sir. Yes.
00:43:45.52\00:43:46.86
And then it says in
verse 40 of Hebrews 11,
00:43:46.92\00:43:48.82
"God having provided
something better for us,
00:43:48.86\00:43:51.13
that they should not be
made perfect apart from us."
00:43:51.16\00:43:54.66
Apart from us, right.
00:43:54.73\00:43:56.03
Those if you look
at Abraham and Isaac
00:43:56.06\00:43:58.50
and Moses and David
and all the great people
00:43:58.53\00:44:01.60
from the Bible, they
don't get there one second
00:44:01.77\00:44:04.61
before John Lomacang gets there,
00:44:04.64\00:44:06.21
before Kenny Shelton gets there.
00:44:06.24\00:44:07.58
Praise God.
00:44:07.61\00:44:08.94
They suffered in their blood,
00:44:08.98\00:44:10.65
they did but we all go together.
00:44:10.68\00:44:12.88
And it's a powerful,
powerful we meet Him in the air.
00:44:12.91\00:44:15.25
Okay, you want
to carry verse 16?
00:44:15.28\00:44:18.59
Verse 16?
00:44:18.62\00:44:20.66
Sixteen of-- For
the Lord himself.
00:44:20.69\00:44:23.36
Yeah, "For the Lord himself
shall descend from heaven
00:44:23.43\00:44:26.29
with a shout, with the
voice of the archangel,
00:44:26.33\00:44:28.96
with the trump of God,
and the dead in Christ"
00:44:29.00\00:44:31.87
talked about a while
ago "shall rise first."
00:44:31.90\00:44:34.34
I'm thankful we have a
Lord promise is going to come.
00:44:34.37\00:44:36.71
He is coming out of
heaven we understand that.
00:44:36.77\00:44:39.37
He is going to have a shout.
There's going to be noise.
00:44:39.41\00:44:41.71
There's nothing secret
about this thing at all.
00:44:41.74\00:44:44.01
That the shout
and the trumpet blast
00:44:44.05\00:44:45.75
will pierce the ears of the dead
00:44:45.78\00:44:48.72
and will call them back to life.
00:44:48.75\00:44:50.09
Pastor Kenny, you
touched on something
00:44:50.15\00:44:51.49
and mind that just a little bit
00:44:51.52\00:44:52.85
that this idea
of secret rapture,
00:44:52.89\00:44:55.09
this talks about the shout
loud enough to wake the dead.
00:44:55.12\00:44:58.53
Yeah, this is
not a secret thing.
00:44:58.56\00:44:59.89
He don't sneak away.
00:44:59.96\00:45:01.33
Yeah.
00:45:02.73\00:45:04.07
Again the Bible
is very clear. Yes.
00:45:04.10\00:45:05.47
What we have to do is
do what the Bible says,
00:45:05.50\00:45:07.04
learn truth, what is it?
00:45:07.07\00:45:08.67
"Line upon line,
precept upon precept,
00:45:08.70\00:45:10.97
here a little,
and there a little."
00:45:11.01\00:45:13.27
And if we can look at
what the Bible writers
00:45:13.31\00:45:14.84
had to say on the same subject,
you come up with the truth.
00:45:14.91\00:45:17.25
Oh, I love that.
I love that. Yes.
00:45:17.28\00:45:19.21
So we are gonna be caught up.
00:45:19.25\00:45:20.72
So now let's very quickly
go to 1 Corinthians Chapter 5,
00:45:20.75\00:45:23.32
I want to show you two context
00:45:23.39\00:45:24.72
and we are
gonna probably wind up
00:45:24.75\00:45:26.45
and we're gonna
have a few more text
00:45:26.49\00:45:27.82
if we can make it fit here.
00:45:27.86\00:45:29.19
I'm gonna show you when Paul
talks about absent and present.
00:45:29.22\00:45:31.76
We got to understand
what he is talking about.
00:45:31.79\00:45:33.40
First of all 1
Corinthians Chapter 5
00:45:33.43\00:45:35.43
and we will show you verse 3.
00:45:35.46\00:45:37.23
I'm gonna show
you verse 3, okay.
00:45:37.27\00:45:38.63
1 Corinthians 5:3 Paul
is talking about being,
00:45:38.67\00:45:42.30
not being with the church.
00:45:42.34\00:45:43.67
Look at what he says in verse 3,
00:45:43.71\00:45:45.04
"For I indeed,
00:45:45.07\00:45:47.24
as absent in body
but present in spirit,
00:45:47.28\00:45:52.35
have already judged
as though I were present,
00:45:52.38\00:45:55.55
concerning him who
has done this deed."
00:45:55.58\00:45:58.25
Paul is on a journey somewhere.
00:45:58.29\00:46:00.89
He writes it though
I'm absent in the body,
00:46:00.92\00:46:03.36
I'm present with
you in the spirit.
00:46:03.39\00:46:05.43
I'm gonna make a
decision about this
00:46:05.46\00:46:07.13
as though I was already there.
00:46:07.13\00:46:08.46
That's right.
00:46:08.50\00:46:09.83
So, he is saying I'm not there
but I'm gonna make a decision.
00:46:09.86\00:46:12.23
Now let's go, so sometimes
when he says to be absent
00:46:12.27\00:46:15.44
and to be present,
sometimes Paul is referring to,
00:46:15.47\00:46:18.01
I'm not there but
you know what I think.
00:46:18.04\00:46:20.51
My heart is
there. My heart is there.
00:46:20.58\00:46:21.91
Yeah, I'm with you.
00:46:21.94\00:46:23.28
I love to be with
you for Thanksgiving
00:46:23.31\00:46:24.65
but no that my love is busy.
00:46:24.68\00:46:26.01
Precisely. That's
some of the times.
00:46:26.05\00:46:27.38
But now let's look at
the 2 Corinthians Chapter 5.
00:46:27.42\00:46:28.75
We should have done this earlier
00:46:28.78\00:46:30.12
but we will go and
get through very quickly
00:46:30.15\00:46:31.62
because Paul was
the very same one
00:46:31.65\00:46:32.99
that said all these
things about being changed
00:46:33.02\00:46:34.92
from mortal to immortal.
00:46:34.96\00:46:36.46
Being caught up to
meet the Lord when we come,
00:46:36.49\00:46:38.39
when He comes.
00:46:38.43\00:46:39.76
All these things he
talks about the resurrection
00:46:39.79\00:46:41.96
but now notice this.
00:46:42.00\00:46:44.27
2 Corinthians 5:1,
00:46:44.30\00:46:48.64
"For we know that
if our earthly house,
00:46:48.67\00:46:51.01
this tent, is destroyed,
we have a building from God,
00:46:51.04\00:46:55.81
a house not made with
hands, eternal in the heavens."
00:46:56.18\00:47:00.65
In the heavens, yes.
00:47:00.68\00:47:02.02
1 Corinthians 15 talks
about the celestial man
00:47:02.05\00:47:04.39
and the terrestrial man.
00:47:04.42\00:47:05.75
The man of the dust
and the man of glory.
00:47:05.79\00:47:08.82
But let's go on.
00:47:08.86\00:47:10.26
Verse 2, "For in
this tent we groan,"
00:47:10.29\00:47:13.63
do you know what that means?
00:47:13.66\00:47:14.96
We have trials. Amen.
00:47:15.00\00:47:16.33
"In this tent we groan earnestly
00:47:16.36\00:47:18.17
desiring to be clothed
00:47:18.20\00:47:20.57
with our
habitation which is" what?
00:47:20.64\00:47:22.97
"From heaven.
00:47:23.00\00:47:24.54
Indeed" verse 3
"having been clothed,
00:47:24.57\00:47:28.24
we shall not be found naked."
00:47:28.28\00:47:30.95
Now watch this, he is
talking about the naked
00:47:30.98\00:47:32.61
and the naked he is
talking about here is
00:47:32.65\00:47:34.32
the unclothed aspect of it
00:47:34.35\00:47:36.58
and that is simply talking
about the unrighteous aspect.
00:47:36.62\00:47:40.06
The same thing Revelation says,
00:47:40.09\00:47:41.42
"Blessed is he
that keepeth garments,
00:47:41.46\00:47:42.79
lest he walks naked."
00:47:42.82\00:47:44.16
Look at verse 4,
00:47:44.23\00:47:45.56
now this is the key
apex of the whole thing.
00:47:45.59\00:47:47.50
"For we who are
in this tent groan,"
00:47:47.60\00:47:51.40
do we have burdens, yes.
00:47:51.43\00:47:52.80
"Being burdened,
00:47:52.83\00:47:54.54
not because we
want to be unclothed,
00:47:54.57\00:47:57.97
but further clothed, that" what?
00:47:58.01\00:48:01.48
"Mortality shall be
swallowed up by life."
00:48:01.51\00:48:05.81
He says, and let me
break this down so far.
00:48:05.85\00:48:08.22
Paul is saying a long as
we are in these mortal bodies
00:48:08.25\00:48:10.92
we are gonna have trials.
00:48:10.95\00:48:12.49
I cannot wait till mortality
is swallowed up by life.
00:48:12.52\00:48:15.89
That's what he said further.
Amen. That's what he said.
00:48:17.56\00:48:19.26
We will put on immortality,
00:48:19.29\00:48:20.83
that's what he is talking about.
00:48:20.86\00:48:22.16
He is not talking
about leaving the body.
00:48:22.20\00:48:23.53
No. Now let's go to verse 5.
00:48:23.57\00:48:25.57
"Now He who has prepared
us for this very thing is God,
00:48:25.60\00:48:29.94
who has given us the
Spirit as a guarantee."
00:48:30.01\00:48:33.81
In other words, God's
spirit has confirmed this.
00:48:33.88\00:48:36.21
Now here's verse,
hear the two verses.
00:48:36.24\00:48:39.05
"Therefore we
are always confident,
00:48:39.08\00:48:41.75
knowing that, while we
are at home in the body,
00:48:41.78\00:48:47.16
we are absent from the Lord."
00:48:47.19\00:48:49.32
Do you see the neat thing absent
00:48:49.36\00:48:50.73
from the body
present with the Lord?
00:48:50.76\00:48:52.09
While we are at
home in this body--
00:48:52.13\00:48:53.90
While we are living here.
00:48:53.93\00:48:55.23
While we are living
here, we're not living there,
00:48:55.26\00:48:57.87
that's what he
in essence saying.
00:48:57.90\00:48:59.23
Paul is saying.
00:48:59.27\00:49:00.67
And that's it, you
can't read anymore into that.
00:49:00.70\00:49:02.27
Now, but let me finish.
00:49:02.30\00:49:03.64
While I'm here,
I can't be there.
00:49:03.67\00:49:05.01
So how do we walk?
I'm either here or there.
00:49:05.04\00:49:06.37
So how do we walk, verse 7,
00:49:06.41\00:49:07.74
"For we walk by
faith, not by sight."
00:49:07.78\00:49:09.38
We are confident,
yes, well, please rather
00:49:09.41\00:49:13.85
to be absent from
the body and to be what?
00:49:13.88\00:49:16.85
Present with the Lord.
00:49:16.92\00:49:18.35
Are we gonna be absent
from these mortal bodies, Kenny?
00:49:18.39\00:49:20.29
Oh, praise God. When?
00:49:20.32\00:49:21.99
At His coming. At His coming.
00:49:22.02\00:49:23.79
So before, not a minute before--
00:49:23.86\00:49:25.19
So he is saying,
that's what I want.
00:49:25.23\00:49:26.56
That's what I
like. That's what I want.
00:49:26.59\00:49:27.93
I want to be out of the
body and present with the Lord.
00:49:27.96\00:49:29.26
But that's not he is
not saying that's what I am,
00:49:29.30\00:49:31.10
that's what I want,
well, that's what we all want.
00:49:31.13\00:49:32.80
We all want to be with Jesus.
00:49:32.83\00:49:34.17
I want you to notice not
once death was talked about.
00:49:34.24\00:49:36.17
Not once was death mentioned.
00:49:36.20\00:49:37.97
Precisely because
that's not the subject.
00:49:38.01\00:49:39.47
That's not the
title. It's not. Yeah.
00:49:39.51\00:49:40.98
But now we got
to hit the last one,
00:49:41.01\00:49:42.34
1 Corinthians 15,
to put it altogether,
00:49:42.38\00:49:44.15
verse 20 to 22
because this is the key.
00:49:44.18\00:49:46.82
Yes. Okay.
00:49:46.85\00:49:48.85
Verse 22, "For as in
Adam" 1 Corinthians 15:22
00:49:48.88\00:49:52.89
"For as in Adam all die,
00:49:52.92\00:49:54.66
even so in Christ
all shall be made alive."
00:49:54.69\00:49:57.13
This is the same Paul.
00:49:57.16\00:49:58.89
Verse 23, "But each
one in his own order,
00:49:58.93\00:50:02.26
Christ the first fruits,
00:50:02.30\00:50:04.63
afterward those
who are Christ's" when?
00:50:04.67\00:50:06.94
"At his
coming." "At his coming."
00:50:07.40\00:50:09.24
Now you need to underline that,
00:50:09.27\00:50:10.81
"Those who are
Christ's at his coming."
00:50:10.87\00:50:13.78
Not at your
death, not when you die,
00:50:13.84\00:50:16.38
at His coming.
00:50:16.41\00:50:17.75
That's when the reward
comes and it comes with Him.
00:50:17.78\00:50:19.98
And that's why
he says in verse 24,
00:50:20.02\00:50:21.38
"Then comes the end,
00:50:21.42\00:50:22.75
when He delivers the
kingdom to God the Father,
00:50:22.78\00:50:25.39
when He puts an end to all rule
and all authority and power.
00:50:25.42\00:50:29.02
He must reign till He has
put all enemies under His feet.
00:50:29.06\00:50:32.63
The last enemy that
will be destroyed is" what?
00:50:32.66\00:50:35.06
"Is death." "Is death."
00:50:35.10\00:50:36.43
Now when it is destroyed?
At the coming of the Lord.
00:50:36.46\00:50:38.43
It ain't
destroyed now. Not at all.
00:50:38.47\00:50:40.30
And you know,
what's gonna happen
00:50:40.37\00:50:41.70
when he is
destroyed 1 Corinthians 15:57,
00:50:41.74\00:50:44.14
"But thanks be to
God," who giveth us,
00:50:44.44\00:50:46.71
"who giveth us the victory
through our Lord Jesus Christ."
00:50:46.74\00:50:50.91
And the very last things
he says in 1 Corinthians 15,
00:50:50.95\00:50:53.85
he says verse 56, "O
death, where is your sting?"
00:50:53.88\00:50:56.92
"O grave."
00:50:56.95\00:50:58.29
Verse 55, "O
death, where is you sting?
00:50:58.32\00:50:59.82
O grave, where is
thy victory?" Yes.
00:50:59.85\00:51:01.72
Why, because when Jesus comes,
00:51:01.76\00:51:03.09
we will have
victory over the grave.
00:51:03.12\00:51:04.46
Praise God.
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Now we have the assurance
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that when He comes
we will come forth.
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Very quickly, Pastor CA,
you got to hit this very quickly
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John 5:28, 29.
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We got to squeeze
it in, New Testament.
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Okay, let me get back to it
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because I know
where you're going.
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John 5:28, 29.
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If you have, Pastor
Kenny, two resurrections.
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Yes.
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Here we go. I'm
at verse 28. Exactly.
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"Do not marvel at this,
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for the hour is coming in
which all who are in the graves
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will hear His voice."
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Where are they now?
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In the grave. In the grave.
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"And come forth
those who have done good,
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to the resurrection of
life, those who have done evil,
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to the
resurrection of damnation."
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Yes. Resurrection?
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Yeah. Everybody is in the grave.
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When they hear
it some come forth
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to the resurrection of life.
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That means when the
resurrection of life comes,
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that mean they
come back to life.
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Yes. They are not living now.
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
They are not living now.
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The idea of
resurrection is counterfeited
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if you go to heaven.
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There are so many
sound Bible doctrines
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that are just trumped by the lie
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that you go when you die.
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Right.
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Oh, it's a rhyme,
trumped by the lie
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that you go and you die.
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You don't go when you
die. You don't go when you die.
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You go when Christ comes back.
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You are resurrected
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and the resurrection
is one of the greatest
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and most marvelous
and most wonderful ideas
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and doctrines
in the Word of God.
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That's right. Yeah.
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That's why He is
coming back. Precisely.
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To change our vile body
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to be fashioned
like unto His glory.
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Yeah, we've got to
go to our news break
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but isn't it wonderful,
Christ is not gonna send a cab
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or have you wander
into heaven on your own.
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He is coming back to
take you. That's right.
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You know, somebody says, yeah,
if you really love your wife
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and she says,
"Honey, come get me."
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Yeah. That's right.
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I'm coming, I'm on
the way. He is coming.
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You know, I'm on the way. Amen.
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He is on the way because
He loves you just that much.
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Praise the Lord. Yeah.
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We've got to go
to our news break
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and we will come back
and put a little bow on this
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before we say goodnight.
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