Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), John Lomacang, Kenny Shelton
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY016011A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hello, and welcome to a very special 3ABN Today. 01:11 My name is CA Murray 01:12 and thank you once again for sharing just 01:14 a little of your no doubt busy day with us. 01:17 We thank you again for your love, your prayers, 01:18 and your support 01:20 of Three Angels Broadcasting network. 01:21 This is a bit of a different kind of a program, 01:23 because this is a de facto Bible study. 01:28 We're gonna talk about the things of God 01:30 and I have two eminently qualified individuals 01:33 to help me discuss the things of God. 01:35 We're gonna talk about the spirit of prophecy today, 01:37 what that is, what it's all about, where it came from, 01:39 how it affects the church today. 01:41 A number of things about the spirit of prophecy 01:43 and to help me mind that very deep 01:45 and one of our subject, our two pastors from the area, 01:49 the pastor of the Thompsonville Seven-day Adventist church 01:52 Pastor John Lomacang, 01:53 who I have known, yeah, these 40 years, 01:56 we were children together. 01:59 All right. 02:00 Good to see you Pastor, and friend. 02:03 I would say old friend but we're too old for that, 02:05 we'll say long time friend. 02:07 Exactly, exactly. 02:08 And the pastor of Behold the Lamb, 02:10 the ministry and the church Pastor Kenny Shelton. 02:13 Pastor, good to have you here. 02:14 Oh, it's good to be here, thank you. 02:16 Good looking man, well dressed, well favored of the Lord 02:18 and as we said, we're gonna be talking about 02:20 the spirit of prophecy in all seriousness. 02:22 And during these kinds of shows for the next little bit, 02:26 we're gonna be talking about 02:27 some of the doctrines of the church, 02:29 some of the present truth of the church, 02:30 some of the things that affect the church. 02:32 And sort of re-visit, or and re-establish, 02:34 and reacquaint ourselves 02:36 with the doctrines of the church 02:39 that come from the word of God, 02:40 that are established by the word, 02:42 that are found in the word of God. 02:43 So this may be the kind of program 02:44 you may want to take out pen, or pencil, fire up your iPad, 02:47 your iPhone whatever you have to take notes on, 02:51 your computer, your laptop, you're desktop; 02:52 however you want to do that, or just get the CD, DVD. 02:56 You know, and go over these because when we will have done, 02:59 we're hoping to thoroughly look at 03:01 as much as we can in one hour's time. 03:03 These great doctrines of the church, that affect us, 03:06 that are present truth, 03:07 that we need to reexamine many times. 03:09 And that we, we need to reacquaint ourselves with 03:12 as was mentioned. 03:13 On today's program we're going to be talking about 03:15 the spirit of prophecy. 03:17 Now we didn't get in a room and compare the notes. 03:20 We didn't do that. 03:21 What we did was, we each took the subject, 03:23 we went to our homes, we prayed, we studied 03:26 and we opened up the word of God. 03:28 So we'll probably hit this doctrine 03:30 for many, many different aspects and angles. 03:33 I suspect all of us or one of us sooner or later, 03:36 will hit Revelation 19:10. 03:37 That's right. You can't really get around it. 03:40 But if we do it once or twice, that's okay because, 03:42 redundancy, repetition deepens the impression. 03:44 And it is an important topic, 03:46 as we talk about the spirit of prophecy, 03:48 I'm glad to have these two articulate 03:50 and learned gentlemen with me. 03:52 And I'm very, very excited about this program 03:54 about the thoughts that we will convey to you 03:56 this day. 03:57 We've prayed, we've asked for God's open blessing upon us 04:00 as we open up His word. 04:01 And we've also ask for God's blessings upon you 04:04 as you sit and hear what we have to say. 04:07 And what the Spirit will be saying to your ears, 04:09 and to your heart. 04:11 Before we get into our subjects, 04:12 I'm going to call upon Tammy Chance. 04:15 Tammy Shelton Chance, dare I say, 04:18 and she's singing Pastor John, one of the old songs 04:21 from the early Adventist church Millerite Movement 04:25 that's part of our hymns project 04:27 that we worked on some years ago. 04:28 But I love this song. 04:30 It's a beautiful song 04:31 and just she just does a fine job on it. 04:34 What Heavenly Music. 04:56 What heavenly music 05:01 Steals over the sea 05:06 Entrancing the senses 05:11 Like sweet melody 05:16 Tis the voice of the angels 05:21 Borne soft on the air 05:28 For me they are singing 05:33 Their welcome I hear 05:48 On the banks of old Jordan 05:53 Here gazing I stand 06:00 And earnestly longing 06:05 I stretch forth my hand 06:12 Send a convoy of angels 06:17 Dear Jesus, I pray 06:25 Let me join that sweet music 06:30 Come, take me away 06:57 Though dark are the waters 07:02 And rough is the wave 07:07 If Jesus permit 07:12 The wild surges I'll brave 07:17 For that heavenly music 07:22 Hath ravished me so 07:29 I must join in that chorus! 07:34 I will go! 07:38 Let me 07:44 Go. 08:06 Well done, and beautifully sung. 08:09 We when we are choosing songs for--from Pillars Hymns, 08:12 I was just saying to Pastor Lomacang 08:13 the song that he was chosen to sing fits well, 08:15 Yvonne song fits well and Tammy chance 08:17 just fits with that song so very, very well. 08:20 What Heavenly Music, beautifully sung. 08:22 All right, today we're talking about the spirit of prophecy 08:25 and what that means. 08:26 And I want to just debunk a couple things 08:27 I know the brethren, we've now I must say this, 08:29 we've given each other permission 08:31 if, if we say something, 08:32 and somebody likes what's being said, 08:34 you have permission to cut that person off. 08:36 And just go ahead and jump in 08:37 and let the Lord lead, you know. 08:38 So we're not being rude, unkind, uncool, uncouth, 08:41 unrest, unwanted, unbelievable, unacceptable, 08:43 we're just we were allowing ourselves 08:45 the ability to just jump in, and weigh in, 08:48 because that's how it is when you're studying 08:49 the Word of God. 08:50 Something, something you got to get out right there, 08:52 you know, when the Lord touches our heart. 08:54 The text that I want to start off with is, 08:56 is Amos 3:7 and I know, you both know it. 08:59 "Surely the Lord will do nothing, 09:01 except He reveal it to His servants, the prophets." 09:03 Now and I want you to just 09:05 before you go into what you have, weigh in on that 09:07 because, here's what that says to me, gentlemen. 09:09 That God is so anxious to get us say, 09:12 that first of all, 09:13 He's not gonna pull any tricks or surprises on you. 09:15 Right. 09:16 You know, He's not gonna do anything, 09:18 He's not gonna sneak in on you, He's not gonna do 09:20 some kind of sleight of hand something. 09:22 He has established in His church, 09:24 men and women whom He has given messages to guide the church 09:28 so that they will know precisely what is coming. 09:30 Amen. 09:32 They will know precisely how to be 09:33 prepared for that coming, and those eventualities, 09:36 God gives us warning and preparation for that, 09:39 of course, we can see that in the Bible that anytime 09:41 something big was going to happen, 09:42 God let us know, you know. 09:44 Amen. 09:45 And of course, He's coming again to save this world. 09:47 So do you think He's gonna to let us know? 09:48 Of course, He is. Absolutely. 09:50 Yeah, there's always been 09:51 a prophetic voice in the church. 09:53 And I mean, going back. 09:55 Not just the Adventist church, but in the work of God. 09:58 Sometimes we, we say, Ellen White 10:00 is the spirit of prophecy, she is not. 10:02 She is just a latter day manifestation of a gift 10:05 that has always been there. 10:06 And any time God is gonna do something, 10:09 He calls prophetic men or women to give voice to that event 10:12 so that we know, and of course, Christ is coming again. 10:14 Would not God give voice to that event 10:16 so that we know precisely what's happening. 10:18 You agree, disagree? 10:20 I agree. 10:21 The Lord made it clear there is nothing 10:23 that's going to take place, and I repeat the text again. 10:26 You know, "Surely,"... "Surely," yes. 10:28 Definitely "the Lord God will do nothing 10:30 except He reveal His secrets 10:32 onto his servants the prophets." 10:34 And so, when you put servants, prophets, 10:37 secrets the Lord has things that everyone doesn't know. 10:40 And everyone is not going to know, except He reveals it. 10:43 Yes, yes. 10:45 And one, one I'd like to add to that, Isaiah 46:9, 10. 10:48 Because the word prophet or prophecy 10:52 simply means of forecast or looking forward. 10:56 One of the statements Jesus made 10:58 to His disciples in John 14 is, 11:00 "I've told you these things beforehand." 11:03 Yes. "So when they come to pass. 11:05 You will believe." 11:07 And so when the Word of God is revealed, 11:11 it's revealed not only for the present moment, 11:14 but prophecy is a forecast of the future 11:17 and the Lord, John, I mean, Isaiah 46:9, 10. 11:22 "Remember the former things of old, 11:25 for I am God, and there is no other, 11:27 I am God, and there is none like Me, 11:31 Declaring the end from the beginning, 11:34 And from ancient times things that are not yet done, 11:38 Saying, My counsel shall stand, And I will do all My pleasure." 11:42 So He'd chosen every age, mouth pieces. 11:46 Yes. Through which to speak. 11:48 And I'm glad you began the program 11:49 by saying, Ellen White is not the spirit of prophecy. 11:52 But she has the gift. Yes. 11:54 And oftentimes Pastor Kenny is 11:57 whenever we refer to as a spirit of prophecy, 12:00 we kind of narrowed down to, so since she's dead, 12:02 so also is the spirit of prophecy. 12:04 But the spirit of, the Holy Spirit, 12:07 has through every age John 16:13 is another one. 12:11 Maybe since, I brought it up 12:14 let me go and read it John 16:13 12:16 showing clearly how the Lord, made it clear 12:20 that the spirit was the one involved. 12:22 While you're turning John, it's the abiding gift. 12:25 God has always had spokesman. 12:27 Throughout the history of His dealings with mankind, 12:29 He's had people selected by God and just before we said, 12:32 this is the difference between the prophetic gift 12:34 and the pastoral gift. 12:36 Right. 12:37 The prophetic gift is bestowed directly 12:39 to the individual by God. 12:40 Now that the prophetic gift is, is also a gift given by God, 12:44 but is recognized by men and co-signed by men. 12:47 The prophetic gift is not. 12:49 It's bestowed directly by God. 12:51 And sometimes men didn't even accept it. 12:53 But that it had nothing of the gift, 12:54 because the gift was given, it was by God. 12:57 I want to give Pastor Kenny a chance to register 12:58 on what I just said. 13:00 Yeah. All we just pointed out on. 13:01 Yeah, you know, I like what's being said already 13:04 because it says, a good ground or foundation 13:07 for what we need to discuss, 13:08 and the first thing came in my mind was, 13:10 I Corinthians 12:1 what it talks about here, 13:12 we need to be studying things because we're talking, 13:15 in my opinions, spiritual gifts. 13:17 Spiritual gifts. Yes. Yes. 13:19 And Paul makes it clear he said, 13:20 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, 13:22 brethren, I would not have you ignorant." 13:25 So here we're trying today 13:27 to understand the spiritual gifts 13:30 and the blessings that God has left everyone 13:33 who's willing to accept it. 13:34 Now we might say, "There will be some." 13:37 As soon as you say, "Spiritual gifts," 13:39 there goes the wall. 13:41 And there, their eyes are closed, 13:42 there's ears are shut. 13:43 I'm just really going to beg and plead 13:45 and encourage the folk today, 13:47 is to please keep your mind open. 13:49 Listen to the Word of God, listen to the Spirit, 13:52 erase all these things, because if it is, 13:55 if it is, a gift that Jesus gave to His church, 14:00 then we need to listen to it. 14:02 And we need not be ignorant, the Bible says. 14:05 Amen. 14:06 So maybe, that's why we've come and sat down 14:08 by the unction of the Holy Spirit, 14:09 is because we want to offer something to many 14:13 who have no understanding of this subject. 14:16 Because they've been turned off by it, 14:18 and we don't want to turn anyone off. 14:19 We want to turn him on to this, because what a blessing quickly 14:23 was we live in an hour, earth's history 14:26 where the church needs help like no other time. 14:29 Very true. And I'm, what you started out. 14:32 I don't believe that God's going to leave us helpless, 14:34 hanging out there in the mess the world that we live in 14:37 without some extra help that we desperately need 14:40 and guidance of individually and the church 14:43 so I'm thankful for the subject 14:45 and I'm excited about that gift. 14:47 The more I read out that the more excited I get. 14:49 Excellent, excellent Pastor. John. 14:51 And you'll discover also, the one of the reasons 14:52 why this gift is active. 14:54 We have to first look at the context 14:56 in which the church has always existed; 14:58 there's always been a false prophets. 15:00 Yes. Yes. 15:02 And so if you have coming out of the banking industry, 15:05 as I worked for many banks in New York, Wall Street area. 15:07 We would study the true money so carefully 15:11 that when we saw a counterfeit, 15:13 we could identify it immediately. 15:15 And I think that one of the things that the Lord said, 15:17 not think but He said, in Matthew Chapter 24, 15:20 "Beware of false prophets." 15:22 So there could not be a false prophet 15:25 expect there is a true prophet. 15:27 And so you discover in scripture 15:30 that when the Lord warned people 15:32 about the presence of a false prophet, 15:34 He was actually confirming and affirming 15:37 the presence of a true prophet. 15:38 Of the true prophet. Yes. 15:40 Look out for counterfeit five dollar bills, 15:41 well, there couldn't be any unless 15:43 there's a true five dollar bill. 15:45 Well said. 15:46 And so John 16 is what I referred to a moment ago. 15:49 "However," John 16:13, "However, when He, 15:53 the Spirit of truth has come, 15:55 He will guide you into all truth, 15:57 for He will not speak on His own authority. 16:01 but whatever he hears He will speak." 16:03 And here's the prophetic part. 16:05 "And He will tell you things to come." 16:07 Amen. 16:09 So that gift is there, 16:10 but here's the thing I want to emphasize also, 16:11 and you made a point I want to build on. 16:14 We don't decide what gift we get. 16:17 Amen. 16:18 So there are those individuals today, 16:20 when you look at 1 Corinthians Chapter 12. 16:22 And I want to walk through there briefly. 16:24 "There are those that say, I want the gift of tongues." 16:28 Or I want the gift of interpretation. 16:31 You don't, you don't, this is not Christmas. 16:36 We're not going to a store buying the gifts we like. 16:38 Yeah. 16:40 The gifts are appointed by the Holy Spirit. 16:42 Amen. Amen. Who decides who gets what? 16:45 You see and that's a great point, John 16:46 because we don't use the Holy Spirit. 16:48 No. 16:49 Holy Spirit uses us you know, so the Holy Spirit determines 16:51 what gets you get, your job is to improve those gifts 16:54 and make the best use of your gift, 16:56 giving proof of your ministry. 16:58 So God gives a gift, you use that gift to the glory of God. 17:02 And we'll talk about some of the gifts in particular, 17:04 as we talked about the gift of prophecy 17:05 and we use the word or the name Ellen White. 17:07 We're gonna to talk about her in a moment. 17:09 But one of the points I want to make very carefully, 17:11 which we need to build on is this gift was given 17:14 that the church will come behind in no gift. 17:16 Precisely. 17:17 The Lord didn't want his church to fall behind anything, 17:20 so He said, "You'll not only have." 17:21 So look at 1 Corinthians Chapter 12:7. 17:24 He says, "But the manifestation of the Spirit 17:26 is given to each one for the profit of all." 17:30 And so it begins to break down the gifts. 17:32 Verse 8, "The word of wisdom through the Spirit, 17:35 to another the word of knowledge 17:37 through the same Spirit." 17:38 Verse 9, "To another faith by the same Spirit, 17:41 to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 17:44 to another the working of miracles, 17:47 to another prophecy, 17:49 to another discerning of spirits, 17:52 to another different kinds of tongues, 17:54 to another interpretation of tongues." 17:57 So the Spirit decides who needs what at what particular point 18:00 and the reason why it was so significant for the Corinthians 18:03 is because they lived in a multicultural city. 18:05 Precisely. 18:06 They lived where people had different languages. 18:08 And he said, as his 1 Corinthians 12:12 18:11 lays the foundation for 13 and then for 14 18:13 because 14, particularly talks about 18:15 the gift of tongues, 18:17 12 talks about, the greatest of all the gifts 18:19 which is you know, "love, faith, 18:21 hope and love these all abide 18:23 but the greatest of these is love." 18:24 And Chapter 12 talks about 18:25 what the Spirit of God is going to do. 18:27 So He appoints the gifts and then He asked the question. 18:30 "Do all prophesy?" 18:31 Well. No. 18:33 It's rhetorical. Right, so it is rhetorical. 18:35 The answer is, no, no, no, no. Right. 18:37 So I can't say, here's the one of the dangers 18:39 with the Christian Church today. 18:41 One of the dangers, I look at the camera to say this, 18:43 one of the dangers in Christianity today is, 18:46 people say, and people have been taught 18:48 that the evidence of the presence of the Spirit is, 18:51 I could speak in tongues. Yes. 18:53 So they say that's the evidence and they go to, 18:56 Acts Chapter 2 thinking that confirms 18:59 that when the Spirit was poured out. 19:02 they spoke with other tongues. 19:04 That's the key they spoke with other tongues, 19:06 which means they already spoke in tongues. 19:07 In tongues, correct. 19:08 But they were able to communicate 19:10 in different languages and different people groups. 19:11 And its interesting John, they took Chapter 13, 19:14 right there between 12 and 14. 19:17 Because many people today 19:19 try to measure the Spirit by the gifts. 19:22 And you can't, you measure this prayer by the fruit. 19:24 There you go, man. 19:25 But not the gifts, because the gifts are varied. 19:27 So right in middle you got that love chapter 19:28 because, love is a commonality. 19:31 It is the fruit that anytime the Spirit is there, 19:33 there will be love. 19:34 So you can measure by love. 19:35 Is a person kinder? Is he forgiving? 19:37 Is his countenance kinder? Are his words softer? 19:39 That's the measure of the presence of Spirit, 19:41 not their gifts because everybody gets different gifts, 19:44 and are called to use those gifts that they get. 19:46 Amen. So well said, Pastor Kenny. 19:47 You know, that, yeah, how important this subject is. 19:50 Isn't it? 19:51 This is one of the last things that Jesus did 19:54 while He was ascending into heaven. 19:57 In 1 Corinthians 12:8, it says, that He gave men gifts. 20:02 Yes, yes. 20:04 So it had to be, it has to be so important for us today, 20:07 for all of God's children. 20:09 Because that's what He said, last thing He did. 20:11 I'm gonna leave some gifts. 20:13 Yes, yes. To the church. 20:14 We could take an hour just on gifts as you can see. 20:17 And what were those gifts for? 20:19 Those are for the building of the by the Christ, 20:20 not so you could say, hey, well, I got a gift. 20:22 You know, I got it now. 20:24 No, it's so you can put that gift to work, 20:26 to lift up the name of Jesus. 20:28 When you say, when you're talking about prophecy, 20:31 we're talking about gift of prophecy, and so on so forth, 20:33 isn't there like, two classes you can look at, 20:36 because in prophecy you have one prophet 20:39 who is predicting events that, you know, going to happen. 20:43 And of course, they have to happen. 20:44 Then on the other side you have someone 20:46 who is a mouthpiece for God. 20:48 Yes. 20:49 Who is a spokesperson that edifies, 20:51 that builds up the church. 20:53 Yeah. 20:54 That gives the church some help. 20:56 Yeah, pastor, that's a very good distinction, 20:57 we talk about foretelling, and forth telling. 21:00 And really, if you look at the particularly, 21:02 the Major Prophets, much more their ministry was designed 21:05 and in forth telling than in foretelling. 21:09 Much of their ministry was day to day, correcting errors. 21:12 Telling kings you need to cut that stuff out, 21:14 I mean that's why you talk about the lack of job security, 21:16 and in short, you know, in and out kind of fast, 21:19 it's dangerous living to tell a monarch, 21:23 who has absolute power "Listen, God told me to tell you, 21:25 you're not doing right. 21:27 Or you get yourself, house in order, 21:28 because you're going to die." 21:29 You know that kind of thing. 21:31 So they spent a lot of time correcting error 21:33 and preaching the truth 21:34 and straightening out day to day things 21:36 in addition to speaking 21:39 what we would call purely prophetic words. 21:42 And so when you think about this gift 21:45 I want to refer to another one here. 21:47 In Ephesians Chapter 4, let's look at that again. 21:52 Or let's look at that, we did look at it earlier. 21:54 But Ephesians Chapter 4, the impartation. 22:00 I like that, for telling and forth telling. 22:02 Thank you. 22:03 A mouthpiece, as well as a prophet 22:06 speaking of things to be come 22:08 and speaking in the present moment 22:09 because by the way, the as you know, 22:11 in the Greek the word prophet or when you have prophecy, 22:17 it doesn't just mean a person giving prophecies 22:19 but it also means preaching, prophesy. 22:22 And they prophesied the Bible says, 22:24 they spoke the word of God with boldness. 22:27 But Ephesians Chapter 4, 22:30 what's the purpose of these gifts? 22:32 And it says, verse 12 Ephesians Chapter 4. 22:36 And it leads itself out of verse 11, 22:39 "And He, Himself gave some to be apostles, 22:42 some prophets, some evangelists, 22:45 some pastors, and teachers, 22:47 for the equipping of the saints, 22:49 for the work of ministry 22:50 for the edifying of the body of Christ 22:53 till we all come to the unity of the faith 22:56 and the knowledge of the Son of God, 22:58 to a perfect man." 22:59 That's mature in our Christianity. 23:01 "To the measure of the statue of the fullness of Christ." 23:04 But then it goes on to tell you 23:05 what other benefit this gift has. 23:08 "Till that we should no longer be children." 23:11 That means still stuck in our immature Christianity. 23:15 "Tossed to and fro." 23:16 It means any time something new comes along we follow it. 23:19 "Carried about with every wind up doctrine 23:21 by the trickery of men 23:22 and the cunning craftiness by which 23:25 they lie and wait to deceive." 23:27 So now let's begin to plunge into the topic 23:28 about the spirit of prophecy. 23:30 So you see clearly Pastor Kenny, 23:32 and you could register on this too. 23:34 Before I go on is the Lord gave this gift 23:37 so that it could mature the church. 23:39 So that it could unify the church. 23:41 So that it could prevent the church from being deceived. 23:44 Yes. 23:45 Let me tell you why that's so important, 23:47 because there are people nowadays, 23:48 I remember giving my first Revelation seminar 23:51 back in 89, 88, 89, 23:54 and I advertised "Prophecy Seminar coming up." 23:58 Not applying myself to the prophet but the forth, 24:02 not the forth teller about the foreteller. 24:04 Yeah. Okay. 24:05 Proclaiming what I know was already in God's word. 24:07 But never forgot that and many, many people 24:10 came out to the meeting. 24:12 It was in a small town up in the Northern California 24:14 mountains of Weaverville. 24:15 And was it was only 2,500 people 24:17 in that immediate town 24:18 adding the mountains maybe, 5000 24:20 but most of them were hidden. 24:22 Anyway almost all the clergy in town 24:24 came out to that meeting in about a week later, 24:26 many of the churches began their own meetings 24:28 talking about prophecy. 24:31 And I've begun to visit 24:32 some of these meetings on my off night. 24:35 Which was Monday and Thursday and came to discover, 24:38 there were people coming in town 24:39 that were not forth telling 24:41 but they were fib telling. 24:47 It was the prophecies. 24:49 "God told me to tell you that in about two weeks, 24:52 He's going to lose your tongue 24:53 for the proclamation of the gospel. 24:55 God told me, that He's going to touch your ear, 24:57 and he'll hear Pastor Kenny." 24:59 "Because you don't have any difficulty." 25:01 I'm thinking, okay I understand, 25:04 I understand the place in healing. 25:06 That's the gift of healing. Amen. 25:08 But not saying these men wore a facade or not, 25:12 but I had a difficult time 25:13 tying anything they said to the Wordof God. 25:16 So one of the first, 25:17 one of the first functions of a prophet is 25:19 they cannot stray away from the revealed Word of God. 25:22 Yes. Amen. That's right. 25:24 Any time they stray away from the revealed Word of God, 25:26 they cannot be a prophet. 25:28 Watch to test Isaiah 8:20. 25:30 You know, right? The law. 25:31 Say it, say it. 25:33 "The law and to the testimony, 25:34 they speak another according to this, 25:35 it is because there is no light in them." 25:37 That's a bottom line. 25:38 It had no light that's what it means. 25:40 It doesn't 90 percent, 95, 99, no light. 25:44 That's where we have to come from. 25:45 I like that pastor you're right, right, right. 25:47 But we've got to come to that point. 25:48 It's all or nothing. That's all or nothing. 25:50 Rather say, well I hear some truth? 25:51 Or you're going to hear a lot of, a lot of air. 25:53 I want to ears to tingle with, with the truth. 25:56 So, so a prophet or even pastor has to agree 26:00 with all of the word. 26:01 All of the revealed word of God. 26:03 Not just the Old Testament, not just the New Testament. 26:05 All of the revealed word of God. 26:06 That's right, that's right. 26:07 Yeah, and if they don't there's no light in them. 26:09 That's not, not a little light, not black light. 26:11 No light. 26:12 Matter of fact, let me ask you a question. 26:13 How many degrees off course you want your pilot to fly? 26:18 I receive that. Yeah. 26:22 How many degrees off the runway do you want him to land? 26:25 If you will, if you start one degree 26:27 by the time you get to your destination. 26:29 You're in a different city. You're in a different country. 26:30 Yes. 26:32 It doesn't take much. 26:34 I only way on buy one degree. 26:36 I mean, understanding aviations, 26:37 those degrees are serious. 26:39 They're very serious, yeah. 26:40 Approach and then you have all these planes coming in, 26:42 if everybody decide that those degrees insignificant, 26:45 there's gonna be some catastrophe in that airport, 26:47 and so there are so many prophets today. 26:49 We have prophets many, and Lords many, 26:51 and preaches many. 26:52 And so many today, 26:54 are claiming to be prophets and prophetesses, 26:55 and coming off the cuff of prophets 26:57 that prophecies that have nothing to do with scripture. 27:00 Another proof text is 1 John Chapter 2:3, 4 27:05 "Now, by this" verse 3, 27:07 "Now by this we know that we know Him, 27:09 if we keep His commandments. 27:11 He who says, 'I know Him,' 27:12 and does not keep His commandments, 27:14 is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 27:16 So if you have a person that said, 27:17 he or she is a prophet and they don't uphold 27:19 the commandments of God 27:21 is because there's how much light Pastor Kenny? 27:23 No light. No light, no light. 27:24 To the law and to the testimony. 27:26 Yes. Yeah. 27:27 And, we've touched down, the proof text, 27:29 or the proofing of a prophet 1 John 4:2, 27:32 They've got to confess Jesus Christ 27:33 is come in a flesh you know that. 27:35 You can't be a prophet of God, 27:38 and not confess Christ is come in a flesh. 27:39 So if you preach any other gospel 27:41 or confessing anybody else, then you're not, 27:43 you are counterfeit, you're counterfeit. 27:44 Yes. 27:46 Yeah and excuse me. 27:49 Matthew Chapter 7:20 27:51 Okay, there it is. 27:52 Yeah, yeah and I know, you both know. 27:54 "By their fruit." "By their fruits." 27:56 You got to look at the life you know, 27:57 you can't and that's what sad, so sad, 28:00 that to profess one thing and live another. 28:03 Or live one thing and profess another. 28:04 Like you know, as we're talking 28:08 we're now in a election campaign season. 28:11 Yes. 28:12 And one of the things they're talking about 28:14 so many of these politicians who profess to be Christians 28:16 use such cheap and foul language. 28:19 You know, how can you be a child of God 28:23 and take the name of Jesus on your lips, 28:25 and then out of the same mouth you know, 28:27 James's has blessings and curses 28:29 out of the same mouth. 28:30 It can't, it can't be. 28:32 So Matthew 7:20 tells me, look at their life, 28:36 look at the fruit, if they're if they're. 28:38 We used to sing a song, when I was a local, 28:40 "One night of praying and six nights of fun, 28:42 odds of going heaven six to one." 28:45 So if you serve the Lord one day and party in six, 28:48 there's something wrong with that, that's inconsistent. 28:50 And you know, the Bible says, "If a man cannot, 28:52 "If he says, he's religious and cannot bridle his tongue." 28:56 Thank you. "His religion is in vain." 28:57 Precisely, precisely. 28:59 What you were saying a while ago, 29:01 really such a good point you bringing out too 29:04 is 'cause people ask this, they say, "Yeah, 29:06 you folks talk about spirit of prophecy; 29:07 you talk about prophecy in the church. 29:09 But you know, we realize there are New Testament gifts 29:11 but you know, Christ came so there you know, 29:13 its not usable now, we don't have that." 29:15 But if you read Ephesians 4 that you did, 29:17 I think about verse 8, you were talking about 29:18 until we come to the unity, till perfection of the saint. 29:21 In other words, it's good, this gift is given by Jesus 29:24 when His last effort we talked about it to men. 29:27 And they would be in operation, until He comes again. 29:30 Yes, yes. 29:32 That's a good part, and you brought up. 29:33 Was good you talk about, remind me of Deuteronomy 13, 29:37 and just let me share because it is so gels with 29:39 what you were talking about obedience. 29:41 Because there are those who do prophesy, 29:44 there are those who say, "This is going to happen" 29:46 and it does but they're still a false prophet. 29:48 What're we gonna do? Yes, yes. 29:49 Bible tells us. 29:51 Read that, read that's a very important point. 29:52 Deuteronomy 13 starting with the about verse one, 29:55 we'll read several verses. 29:56 Notice "If there arise among you a prophet." 29:59 Yes, Sir. 30:00 Or a dreamer of dreams, 30:01 and giveth thee a sign and a wonder, 30:04 and the sign or the wonder comes to pass." 30:06 Over here we have somebody, come and said, I'm a prophet, 30:08 and I don't know about you, 30:10 but I've had quite a few different people 30:11 come up and say, "I'm a prophet in the church." 30:13 Oh, yes. 30:14 And I keep looking at them. 30:16 I just keep looking at them. 30:17 And they say on, you know why? 30:19 You know why? 30:20 Because you can tell, 30:22 in a matter of just a few moments 30:23 when they open their mouth, whether they are God 30:25 or whether they are not. 30:26 They're not trying to be judgmental by that 30:27 for you'll know because it's not harmonized. 30:29 Know what Scripture says here. 30:30 So in other words they said, this and this, 30:32 and such is going to happen. 30:33 They're going to show a sign. 30:35 They're going to show wonder, we can't even explain it. 30:36 But notice how the Bible says, let's be careful about that. 30:39 Yes. 30:40 "The sign or the wonder come to pass, 30:41 whereof he spake unto thee saying, 30:43 "Let us go after other gods." 30:45 Here we go he exposing himself the more he talks. 30:48 "Which thou has not known, let us serve them." 30:51 Verse 3. 30:52 "Thou shall not hearken to the words of that prophet 30:55 that dreamer of dreams, 30:56 for the Lord your God proveth you, 30:58 to know whether you love the Lord your God 31:00 with all your heart, with all your soul." 31:02 Last verse 4 says this, 31:04 "You shall walk after the Lord your God", 31:07 here it goes, "And fear Him, 31:09 and keep His commandments and obey His," you talking, 31:13 "His voice; and ye shall serve Him and cleave unto Him." 31:17 So this is a sure sign. 31:20 I'm a prophet they say, this is going to happen, 31:22 this is going to happen, signs and it comes to pass, 31:25 yet they are not keeping all of God's commandments. 31:28 It's not the voice of God. 31:30 That tells right, then and there, 31:31 if they're advocating, 31:32 you don't have to keep the commandment, 31:34 you don't have to be obedient. 31:35 You're a false prophet and I don't mind to say so. 31:37 Yeah. You know why? 31:39 Because the Word of God just said it. 31:40 Yeah. In a lot of places. 31:41 Yeah, yeah. Does that make sense? 31:43 Well said, and one thing you've done 31:46 is harmonize the Old and New Testament. 31:47 So adding a text if, if they don't believe 31:51 that the Old Testament is still in force 31:54 because what you just said, backs up 31:56 what we pulled from 1 John, just little bit ago. 31:58 That you've got to believe 32:00 Jesus Christ has come in a flesh. 32:01 You've got to believe, in commandment keeping 32:04 and that was established in the Old Testament. 32:05 Re-affirmed in the New Testament, 32:07 so if a person comes and says, "I'm a prophet. 32:09 Don't worry about the Old Testament, 32:11 that's all done away with," false prophet. 32:13 Yes. 32:14 You know, there's got to be Old and New Testament 32:16 because one is built, is built on the other well said, pastor. 32:18 And the reason why that's important, 32:20 so glad that you brought that up, 32:21 because there are people nowadays 32:23 we have to keep in mind also one of the reasons 32:24 why the Lord said, "False prophecies is because 32:27 they will show signs and wonders 32:31 that will be marvelous that you cannot believe your eyes, 32:35 but you have to believe the Word of God. 32:37 We know, we have magicians and we have what's the-- 32:40 illusionist that could do things before you. 32:44 Now let's take that to the next level. 32:46 What if? 32:47 What if a person who is trying to get you away 32:49 from the Commandments of God, 32:50 caims to have healed someone that Satan bound 32:55 and then remove that, just to make his prophet look like 32:58 he just performed a miracle, the Bible uses that 33:01 Janis and Jambres did the same thing 33:03 and resented Moses in Egypt. 33:05 You know, when Moses threw down his rod and became a serpent 33:07 they threw their's down too. 33:09 Fortunately Moses' serpent up their's. 33:11 Yes. 33:12 But, see, so the Lord showed the upper hand in that sense, 33:15 but here's the other key. 33:18 When the servant of the Lord, God sent out a prophet 33:21 the Bible doesn't even identifies his name 33:22 but the Lord said his prophet you go, 33:25 you proclaim the message when you come back, 33:26 don't stop at anybody's house and don't talk to anybody. 33:30 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 33:31 Don't eat with them, but he meets some along, 33:33 someone along the way. 33:34 And this is where brethren, we have to be very careful 33:36 about rubbing shoulders with clergy 33:38 that don't support what we teach. 33:40 I'm gonna see that again. 33:41 Yeah, very careful to be rubbing shoulders 33:43 often with clergy that don't teach what you teach. 33:48 And their relationship tends to erode your beliefs. 33:51 'Cause pastor I'm glad you chose it, 33:53 because when I was pasturing and I always joined 33:56 the ministerial associations. 33:57 And I felt, Ellen White's call to draw close to clergy 34:02 but not to hide who you are, 34:03 not to downplay what you believe. 34:05 And if you're doctrinal package causes a degree of separation, 34:09 you cannot surrender that, that doctrinal package 34:12 just to be buddy, buddy with clergies of other faith. 34:15 I'm Seventh-day Adventists, 34:16 I don't need to apologize for that. 34:18 That's what I' am and I found that, 34:20 that either you respect that or you don't. 34:22 And most of the guys, respect the fact 34:24 that you're a student of the word. 34:26 You know, they want you to be a student of word. 34:28 And many times, they'll say, you know, 34:29 "I've never saw it that way. 34:30 And I was thought that, 34:32 because we just never studied it that way." 34:33 So if you hold up Jesus, Jesus will hold up you. 34:35 Let me give an example, of just what you were talking about. 34:39 Because I think it's important that we stay in touch 34:41 to certain extent. 34:42 You're giving, when you do watch, 34:44 I was invited years ago, when 3ABN was first starting. 34:48 I was invited to the all the pastors 34:51 all the local call the church is Southern Illinois. 34:54 And so I was invited there and they wanted me 34:57 to tell a little bit about 34:58 Three Angels broadcasting message 35:01 you would be giving 35:03 and how would we be giving this message. 35:05 What, we're gonna be involving everybody, 35:07 and it is really interesting, because they say, 35:10 "We want you to come, the invitation is given 35:12 all the pastors there." 35:13 They must be in 30 or 40, 35:14 the other denomination all sitting around. 35:16 And I got to sit next to the, West Frank the local Priest. 35:20 So I sat next to him, he was just right close by 35:24 and one of the pastors asked, and said you know, 35:27 "but you've flocks talk a lot about 35:29 Sabbath and Sundays, don't you? 35:31 I said, "we sure do." 35:32 "Is that something that you're going to do on the air?" 35:36 I said, "absolutely." 35:37 "And he said, what where you get that? 35:38 Some people have told me about 35:40 there's Three Angels are given three messages, 35:43 could you just quickly give us a little synopsis of 35:46 first, second, third Angels message?" 35:48 Oh, man. And so, I'm looking over... 35:50 A little synopsis, yeah. 35:53 I looked over to my buddy next to him, a priest. 35:55 His eyes... 35:57 And then let it go. 35:59 He got me, he looked at me and he went, like this. 36:01 And I said, you know what? I'll just have to tell it all. 36:03 And so I just had to stay, you know, 36:04 just as quickly as we could to get down, 36:06 of warning about the Mark of the beast 36:08 and so on and so forth. 36:09 But the interesting point not all that transpired 36:11 and took place but you see 36:13 some of begin to shake a little in the boots. 36:15 And they didn't want me back ever again. 36:18 And I was never invited back to be a part of it. 36:20 I know that. 36:21 So I mean, you understand the feeling. 36:22 You took your opportunity, you were asked 36:24 and you gave the truth. 36:25 I think God gave that opportunity, 36:27 and then even to the point, of quickly, 36:29 what you could be doing at that station. 36:31 Excellent 36:32 And then, after that don't need that anymore 36:35 that's just not gonna work. 36:37 All right, Pastor John, I did cut you off, 36:38 I hope that you were saying something. 36:40 The text was in 1 King 13:18 where the man of God, 36:47 became deterred by yielding to somebody claming to have 36:51 that the same gift. 36:52 He says in verse 18, of 1 King Chapter 13, 36:56 "He said unto him" this is the deceiver now. 36:59 He said, to the man of God. 37:01 "I am a prophet also as thou art." 37:03 Well. 37:04 "And an angel spoke unto me by the word of the Lord, 37:07 saying, Bring him back with thee into thine house, 37:10 that he may eat bread and drink water. 37:12 But he lied unto him." 37:13 The Bible say, he lied it 37:15 so when people claim nowadays to be a prophet, 37:17 you got to test it. 37:19 Thank you. 37:20 You got to test it by the word of God. 37:21 What I like it about the ministry of Ellen White is, 37:24 she tested everything, everything she said 37:27 can be tested by the word of God. 37:28 Amen. 37:30 And she didn't write another Bible like Joseph Smith, 37:32 I want to be very candid. 37:34 Go on. 37:35 Like Joseph Smith or the Jehovah's Witnesses 37:37 who have modified the Bible to make Jesus a lesser God. 37:40 I don't have time to meander and amaze mediocrity, 37:42 is that tall right? 37:44 That's all right. That's quite all right. 37:45 You got to be very careful about what you believe, 37:47 when you minimize Jesus, you also, 37:49 you neutralize your salvation. 37:51 If he's not the Saviour, 37:54 if he is a lesser man then His Father, 37:56 then you don't have anybody to stand, 37:58 If can't do anything for you 38:00 I can't do anything for you, because I'm not strong enough. 38:01 But so... 38:03 If you step him down, he can do anything for you. 38:05 Right. He's got to be God. 38:07 Amen. 38:08 Good, it's good to see someone that know. 38:10 No, I like the way it hitting there is no use, 38:12 really we live in such a time in earth's history 38:16 is many times, maybe all of us have a different time 38:19 we minced words. 38:21 That's not trying to hurt anybody. 38:22 It's you have this in your gut, you have this in your heart, 38:26 you think about it. 38:27 You pray about it, you dream about it, 38:31 of saving souls for Jesus working for him. 38:34 And so if something that burns inside, 38:36 that has to come out, 38:37 and so lot of times we minced, we danced around the bar, 38:40 and we've welshed with everyone. 38:42 I think this is the time; it needs to be said 38:44 the way that Bible has said it. 38:47 Not try to put anything to it, not make it more difficult, 38:49 just what God has said, that's what he's looking for. 38:53 Man and women, boys and girls today, that will say, 38:55 "Just like he said it in the word." 38:58 This is the key to the blessings 39:00 that God is going to give his church, 39:02 the blessings God's gonna give 3ABN 39:04 the blessings God's gonna give each one in their own ministry 39:07 and work for Him around the world, 39:09 but you can't mince it. 39:10 You've got to say it the way it says, and you say it 39:13 because, when I was there at that meeting, 39:15 I just say, I said what I did, because I loved the brother. 39:19 That's right. 39:20 I wanted 'cause I may not have opportunity to hear 39:22 and I was asked. 39:23 It's not to try to hurt, 39:25 to try to down play or hurt some. 39:26 It wasn't that. 39:27 An opportunity to speak a word in due season. 39:30 And when you do, you know 39:32 that their blood won't be on your hands, 39:34 you've done what God has asked you to do. 39:36 And I'll tell you He'll bless your socks off. 39:37 Yes, He will. Yes, He will. 39:39 Appreciate that, Pastor John you menctioned about 39:41 Joseph Smith you know, 39:43 when Adventist church began 39:45 and was really its spiritual doctrinal feet under itself, 39:50 in the middle of 1800s 39:51 you had a number of churches that begin 39:53 all with a "prophetic" figure. 39:55 Right. 39:57 You know, although there were many churches 39:58 and we could down a list with all the churches 39:59 with this prophetic figure. 40:02 The last text, that we haven't talked about 40:05 really is Jeremiah 28:9, which says, 40:07 basically that when the things 40:08 comes to pass and you should know. 40:10 That's one of the text. That's right. 40:11 Not 90% of the predictions, not 97.9% all of them. 40:15 Because, if it's a prediction from the Lord, 40:17 then it's gonna happen. 40:19 There's no percentage rate on that, it's all the time, 40:22 all truth all the time. 40:23 And of course, in the Adventist church 40:25 we had the prophetic voice, 40:28 all though she never chose to use that title for herself, 40:30 of Ellen White, she was a guiding figure 40:33 we had, our first theologian was of course Joseph Bates. 40:35 The architect of the structure was James White. 40:38 But the spiritual leadership passed through Ellen White, 40:42 and she didn't give us our doctrines. 40:45 What happened was we went to the word 40:47 and got our doctrine 40:48 and they were confirmed by the prophetic voice. 40:50 But we didn't get our doctrinal package from Ellen White. 40:53 She was just a guiding voice. 40:55 And one of the things you said, Pastor John and Pastor Kenny, 40:57 was important, the prophetic gift exists 41:00 to keep us on track and working together, doesn't it? 41:03 Keep us pulling in the same way, 41:05 but sometime you got to get off, 41:06 you go in a closet and you studied something 41:07 you come up preaching it, it may or may not be right. 41:10 So one of the things the prophetic voice does is 41:13 say, well, you know John, 41:14 maybe you need to go back in a closet 41:16 and take a look at that again and see what so. 41:17 It's one of the things that keeps us pulling 41:19 in the same direction. 41:20 It's our-- It is our architectural drawing 41:24 so we know were this is all headed. 41:27 One of the things, I'm glad you brought that out that 41:29 Ellen White believe that the Bible was the standard 41:31 of all of her doctrines. 41:33 And many times in her writing, she brought that point out. 41:35 One of those is in the book she wrote called, 41:37 "Darkness before Dawn." 41:39 Under the subtitle the Standard of Doctrine 41:41 she says and I'm quoting, 41:43 "God will have a people upon the earth 41:46 to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, 41:50 as the standard of all doctrines 41:53 and the basis of all reforms." 41:55 Love it. 41:57 "The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, 42:01 the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, 42:04 as numerous and discordant as are the churches 42:09 which they represent, the voice of the majority-- 42:13 not one nor all of these should be regarded 42:17 as evidence for or against any point of religious faith." 42:22 And here's how she ends it. 42:23 "Before accepting any doctrine or precept, 42:27 we should demand a plain 42:29 "Thus saith the Lord" in its support of it." 42:31 Amen. Amen. 42:33 How could you read that quote and say, 42:34 she developed doctrines outside of the Bible. 42:36 Right, right. 42:37 And this is were the several, several references 42:40 at least 20 different places she says the Bible 42:43 and the Bible only is the, and she says, 42:46 "Our creed" in other places, 42:48 "Our creed is the Bible and the Bible only." 42:51 And here's the another one she says, 42:52 "The Bible and the Bible only has a rule of faith in duty. 42:55 Satan is still working, through every means 42:57 which he can't control to destroy religious liberty." 43:00 She established her liberty of religion on the Bible only. 43:04 God gave us that. 43:05 He gave it to Adam and Eve in the garden. 43:07 So we see today, whenever we believe in the Sabbath. 43:10 Ellen White didn't give us a Sabbath, that's in the Bible. 43:12 That's right. Very true. 43:15 Genesis 2:1-3, 43:17 when Lord blessed at the end of creation week. 43:19 Ellen White did not give us the belief of what happens 43:21 when you die. 43:23 That's in the Bible, Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 6 43:25 to begin with and so many others. 43:26 "The living know they will die, 43:28 but the dead don't know anything." 43:30 She didn't give us health reform, 43:32 that's in Genesis. 43:33 "The Lord gave Adam and Eve the perfect diet." 43:36 And so for optimum heath today, we see you can't take a cow 43:40 that's inflamed in passion and scared to death, 43:43 driving on a highway at 75 miles an hour 43:46 being carried to a slaughterhouse 43:47 who's gonna be dissected 43:49 and cut into millions of pieces, 43:51 I'm over exaggerating in many pieces, 43:54 then stuck in a machine pressed out, 43:56 draining the blood out if they can. 43:58 Stick them in a little hot dog 44:00 and stamp on it USD acceptable to eat. 44:02 Mercy. 44:03 You can't put that stuff in your body all the time, 44:05 and say that, even though it's a clean meat, 44:07 you could be healthier than the person 44:09 that eats the optimum diet. 44:11 And so one of the reasons why National Geographic's 44:13 and government has done a study over and over 44:16 on groups that have the longest life 44:19 over and over Pastor C.A. 44:20 Every ten years they conclude, the Seventh-day Adventists 44:23 live longer than any other religious group 44:25 on the planet, why? 44:27 Because of their way of life and their diet. 44:29 And so, Ellen White simply said it 44:31 what's God's word already revealed. 44:33 Let me give you a chance to chime in. 44:34 Oh, I was just thinking, you know, 44:36 he was just talking about while ago about even with the, 44:39 to the degree, some people say to me, 44:40 they'll say, well, there's a degree of prophecy. 44:44 In other words, if we talk about one is prophesying 44:46 and the other is for edification of the church, 44:49 it's a lesser degree than a prophet 44:51 is prophesying the events that will take place. 44:54 The Bible nowhere teaches at lesser degrees 44:58 for the prophetic gift. 44:59 That's right. 45:01 So, we have to look at the Bible once again 45:02 and go back, it sets up the standard what we know 45:04 and what we understand and what we pass on. 45:07 Yeah, yeah. 45:08 We need not add or subtract anything from it. 45:09 Very true, very true. 45:11 And one person can exercise both gift. 45:14 Isaiah both gifts, Jeremiah both gifts, Ezekiel both gifts. 45:17 You know, you had many men 45:18 who talked to the people around them 45:21 but also in that context prophesied 45:23 about things that were going to come. 45:24 So the prophetic gift encompasses both of them, 45:27 and of course Ellen White did both of those things. 45:30 She spoke and she herself said, "If we were reading or studying 45:34 the Bible like we should. 45:36 There you go. 45:37 My gift will be rendered unnecessarily." 45:39 But we're not, so God and it shows how desperate 45:43 I used that term God is to save his church that, 45:46 He's given you His word. 45:48 You're neglecting the word, so I'm gonna send you now 45:50 a prophet to help you to get back to that word. 45:52 And that was her job and she saw that as her job. 45:54 And some of the things that she's written in, 45:56 I wish we had little more time on this because 45:58 there is a little book that called, 45:59 "Sciences versus the Spirit of Prophecy." 46:02 That's the title of the book, a pamphlet 46:03 and in it they compared her findings in heath 46:07 with the findings that were then available in her day. 46:11 For example: When people didn't have a chance, 46:13 when they had difficultly breathing, 46:14 in her day medicine was being prescribed, 46:18 tobacco was being prescribed to help a person breathe. 46:20 Yes, yes, yes. 46:22 And they went arsenic and mercury was being injected 46:24 into the human body to help them with ailments. 46:26 She made a statement long before 46:28 the sergeant general determined 46:31 that cigarette smoking is dangerous. 46:33 She said, tobacco is a slow and insidious poison 46:37 of the most malignant kind today. 46:39 And in that book, what I liked about it is doctors 46:42 began to register their findings 46:44 in their medical journals 46:46 against what she said more than 100 years ago. 46:48 And they said, they concluded, Paul Harvey said 46:50 in a Time Magazine article lecture brought it with me. 46:53 He said, "This women was a 100 years ahead of her time." 46:57 A 100 years and if she was right on so many fronts, 47:01 and he says so many of the ones that he read. 47:04 What else could she be write about? 47:05 Let me read one quote from Dr. Florence statement, 47:08 a former professor of education at Colombia University. 47:11 He said, "The books" speaking about Ellen White, 47:15 "Her books contain advance education concepts, 47:18 and was more than 50 years ahead of its time." 47:21 Dr. Clive McCay, former professor of nutrition 47:23 at Cornell University said of her writings on health, 47:26 "In spite of the fact that the works of Mrs. White 47:29 were written long before the advent 47:30 of modern scientific nutrition, 47:32 no better over-all guide is available today. 47:36 A Newscaster Paul Harvey said, speaking of her, 47:39 "She wrote with such profound understanding 47:42 on the subjects of nutrition, 47:44 that all but two of the many principles 47:47 she espouses have been scientifically established." 47:50 In other words, only two of those 47:52 they have not found evidence for, 47:54 but it's been established in the practice and use. 47:57 So in other words, modern science 47:58 is yet to catch up with two of the things 48:00 she's already said. 48:02 But almost everything else she said has been authorized 48:05 in Desire of Ages by the Library of Congress 48:08 as well as by the English Master Piece Hall in London 48:12 has indicted that the Desire of Ages 48:14 was the best book ever written about the life of Christ. 48:17 That's in the United States and in London. 48:20 Written by a person with the third grade education. 48:22 Yeah, yeah. 48:23 And Pastor Kenny, we realize that 48:25 there were some manifestations in Ellen White's life 48:28 that let the church know that she was called of God, 48:31 first of all third grade education. 48:33 Try to go back to school, never could. 48:35 Just couldn't finish 48:37 but one of the most prolific writers 48:38 in the history of this country. 48:40 And on such a wide variety of topics, 48:43 and so thorough knowledge of her topics, 48:45 that knowledge had to come from some place else, 48:48 from someone else. 48:49 Absolutely, because again so far ahead of her day, 48:52 human being cannot do that. 48:54 But a person who is willing that's who God looks for. 48:57 Here today, He's looking for people 48:59 who are willing to hear His voice, 49:00 to listen, to respond. 49:02 And I mentioned a while ago, is to give the message 49:04 the way He gives it to us. 49:07 We have no right to water it down, change it around, 49:09 and come in from the different direction. 49:11 And so he's looking again for people 49:12 who is willing to give what He gives to them. 49:15 And I think, what we're seeing is 49:17 there are people who rising to the top. 49:19 That's going to be exercising the gifts that God gives them, 49:22 I'm thankful for all the gifts. 49:24 We need all the gifts. 49:25 Every one of the gifts will be in operation until Jesus comes. 49:28 That's right. 49:29 I've heard they say it, some people say, "Oh, well, 49:32 Ellen White, she never wrote in the Bible, 49:36 so she couldn't possibly be like 49:38 on the same plane or level with other Bible..." 49:41 What do we know about that? 49:42 There's many in scripture, including women, 49:46 who were prophet or prophetess that never wrote in the Bible, 49:50 in the book of the Bible at all. 49:51 They were still the mouthpiece of God, 49:54 they were still the prophet of God, 49:55 they still did what God asked them to do. 49:58 So, if someone's using that little excuse out there today, 50:00 well, she didn't write in... 50:02 We'll throw that one back out because the Bible will prove 50:06 that over and over if you want to study those things. 50:08 And you know, we don't have enough time, 50:10 but I want to make a recommendation 50:11 to those watching or listing to the program. 50:13 It's not possible, if you want to do something one day 50:15 to just go ahead and just examine for yourself, 50:17 maybe you've never read anything she's written. 50:19 Start with the books, "Steps to Christ", 50:20 and you'll discover this small 13 chapter book, 50:23 maybe about 80 pages or so, 50:25 you'll discover there is no more beautiful book 50:26 that you can ever read about our need of Christ, 50:29 His love for mankind, salvation, 50:31 repentance, forgiveness, confession 50:32 all those things that lead you straight to clear understanding 50:35 that there is no way. 50:37 I'll tell you one quick story. 50:38 A Catholic lady years ago who was married 50:40 to an Adventist, who had left the church. 50:41 One day a guy had job who was a Pentecostal, 50:44 gave her the book Steps to Christ. 50:47 And he said, she said, "Who wrote this book?" 50:51 He said, "A guy, by the name of EGY." 50:53 A guy, by the name of EGY. 50:56 So this evening I know the lady personally, 50:58 so this years ago she says, so she's in the bathroom 51:00 taking a bath and her husband said, 51:02 "What are you doing in there so long?" 51:03 She said, "I'm reading this book 51:05 by this guy name EGY, 51:07 it's just amazing, he had to be inspired." 51:10 And he said, "It was rebuked to him, 51:12 because he had left Adventist Church, 51:14 he loved the night life. 51:16 He didn't leave because of false doctrines, 51:18 he went out of the world to enjoy the night life. 51:20 He said, "His wife was the reason 51:21 he came back to the church." 51:23 She continued reading, the next book, 51:26 "Desire of Ages", then "Great Controversy" 51:28 and she was one that led him back to the Lord, 51:30 and years later they were strong 51:31 and winning souls to Christ. 51:33 And she began by a book, by a "man" name EGY, 51:37 when in fact, did not know was Ellen G. White. 51:40 So you got to read, don't listen to the naysayers, 51:43 don't listen to the negative 51:44 because it's always something negative. 51:46 I wish I had time to talk about some of the things they said 51:47 she said that she didn't say. 51:48 But if you start 51:50 with Steps to Christ and Desire of Ages, 51:51 you'll discover there's no way anybody could write like that, 51:54 with the third grade education and I'll be inspired by that. 51:57 What do you say, Pastor Kenny? 51:59 I'll say right now is the Spirit of Prophecy 52:01 was giving, we realized, it's coming 52:03 to the minds and hearts of the people. 52:05 We look at it, has to be and again, 52:06 you talk about 1260 years prophecy. 52:09 You know, you come in to end to times 1798, 52:11 so you can't go on the 1844 52:14 that gift was given for God's last day 52:16 New Testament Church in operation. 52:19 And so if you go through all the 52:21 42 months and 1260 year period, you get to, 52:23 we are in the end of time and the end of time 52:26 goes back to say, 52:27 the Spirit of Prophecy operating in the church. 52:28 That's right. Amen, amen. 52:30 Well, we've come down to just about another, 52:33 and we've got little bit more time, 52:34 we're gonna go to a news break and then we could come back 52:36 and pull a little bow on this and wrap this up. 52:38 We'll be back in just three minutes. |
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