I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome to a
very special 3ABN Today.
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My name is CA Murray
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and thank you once
again for sharing just
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a little of your no
doubt busy day with us.
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We thank you again for
your love, your prayers,
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and your support
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of Three Angels
Broadcasting network.
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This is a bit of a
different kind of a program,
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because this is a
de facto Bible study.
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We're gonna talk
about the things of God
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and I have two
eminently qualified individuals
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to help me
discuss the things of God.
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We're gonna talk about
the spirit of prophecy today,
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what that is, what it's
all about, where it came from,
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how it affects the church today.
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A number of things
about the spirit of prophecy
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and to help me
mind that very deep
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and one of our subject,
our two pastors from the area,
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the pastor of the Thompsonville
Seven-day Adventist church
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Pastor John Lomacang,
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who I have known,
yeah, these 40 years,
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we were children together.
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All right.
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Good to see you
Pastor, and friend.
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I would say old friend
but we're too old for that,
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we'll say long time friend.
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Exactly, exactly.
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And the pastor
of Behold the Lamb,
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the ministry and the
church Pastor Kenny Shelton.
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Pastor, good to have you here.
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Oh, it's good to
be here, thank you.
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Good looking man, well dressed,
well favored of the Lord
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and as we said, we're
gonna be talking about
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the spirit of
prophecy in all seriousness.
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And during these kinds of
shows for the next little bit,
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we're gonna be talking about
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some of the
doctrines of the church,
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some of the present
truth of the church,
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some of the things
that affect the church.
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And sort of
re-visit, or and re-establish,
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and reacquaint ourselves
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with the doctrines of the church
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that come from the word of God,
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that are
established by the word,
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that are found
in the word of God.
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So this may be
the kind of program
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you may want to take out pen,
or pencil, fire up your iPad,
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your iPhone whatever
you have to take notes on,
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your computer, your
laptop, you're desktop;
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however you want to do
that, or just get the CD, DVD.
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You know, and go over these
because when we will have done,
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we're hoping to
thoroughly look at
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as much as we can
in one hour's time.
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These great doctrines of
the church, that affect us,
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that are present truth,
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that we need to
reexamine many times.
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And that we, we need to
reacquaint ourselves with
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as was mentioned.
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On today's program we're
going to be talking about
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the spirit of prophecy.
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Now we didn't get in a
room and compare the notes.
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We didn't do that.
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What we did was, we
each took the subject,
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we went to our
homes, we prayed, we studied
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and we opened
up the word of God.
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So we'll
probably hit this doctrine
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for many, many
different aspects and angles.
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I suspect all of us or
one of us sooner or later,
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will hit Revelation 19:10.
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That's right. You
can't really get around it.
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But if we do it once or
twice, that's okay because,
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redundancy, repetition
deepens the impression.
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And it is an important topic,
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as we talk about
the spirit of prophecy,
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I'm glad to have
these two articulate
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and learned gentlemen with me.
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And I'm very, very
excited about this program
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about the thoughts
that we will convey to you
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this day.
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We've prayed, we've asked
for God's open blessing upon us
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as we open up His word.
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And we've also ask for
God's blessings upon you
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as you sit and hear
what we have to say.
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And what the Spirit
will be saying to your ears,
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and to your heart.
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Before we get into our subjects,
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I'm going to call
upon Tammy Chance.
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Tammy Shelton
Chance, dare I say,
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and she's singing Pastor
John, one of the old songs
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from the early Adventist
church Millerite Movement
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that's part of our hymns project
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that we worked
on some years ago.
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But I love this song.
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It's a beautiful song
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and just she just
does a fine job on it.
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What Heavenly Music.
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What heavenly music
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Steals over the sea
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Entrancing the senses
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Like sweet melody
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Tis the voice of the angels
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Borne soft on the air
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For me they are singing
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Their welcome I hear
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On the banks of old Jordan
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Here gazing I stand
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And earnestly longing
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I stretch forth my hand
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Send a convoy of angels
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Dear Jesus, I pray
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Let me join that sweet music
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Come, take me away
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Though dark are the waters
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And rough is the wave
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If Jesus permit
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The wild surges I'll brave
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For that heavenly music
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Hath ravished me so
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I must join in that chorus!
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I will go!
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Let me
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Go.
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Well done, and beautifully sung.
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We when we are choosing
songs for--from Pillars Hymns,
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I was just saying
to Pastor Lomacang
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the song that he was
chosen to sing fits well,
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Yvonne song fits
well and Tammy chance
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just fits with that
song so very, very well.
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What Heavenly
Music, beautifully sung.
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All right, today we're talking
about the spirit of prophecy
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and what that means.
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And I want to just
debunk a couple things
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I know the brethren,
we've now I must say this,
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we've given
each other permission
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if, if we say something,
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and somebody
likes what's being said,
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you have permission
to cut that person off.
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And just go ahead and jump in
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and let the Lord lead, you know.
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So we're not being
rude, unkind, uncool, uncouth,
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unrest, unwanted,
unbelievable, unacceptable,
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we're just we
were allowing ourselves
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the ability to just
jump in, and weigh in,
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because that's how it
is when you're studying
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the Word of God.
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Something, something you
got to get out right there,
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you know, when the
Lord touches our heart.
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The text that I want
to start off with is,
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is Amos 3:7 and I
know, you both know it.
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"Surely the
Lord will do nothing,
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except He reveal it to
His servants, the prophets."
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Now and I want you to just
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before you go into what
you have, weigh in on that
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because, here's what
that says to me, gentlemen.
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That God is so
anxious to get us say,
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that first of all,
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He's not gonna pull any
tricks or surprises on you.
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Right.
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You know, He's
not gonna do anything,
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He's not gonna sneak in
on you, He's not gonna do
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some kind of
sleight of hand something.
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He has
established in His church,
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men and women whom He has given
messages to guide the church
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so that they will know
precisely what is coming.
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Amen.
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They will know
precisely how to be
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prepared for that
coming, and those eventualities,
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God gives us warning
and preparation for that,
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of course, we can see
that in the Bible that anytime
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something big
was going to happen,
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God let us know, you know.
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Amen.
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And of course, He's
coming again to save this world.
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So do you think He's
gonna to let us know?
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Of course, He is. Absolutely.
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Yeah, there's always been
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a prophetic voice in the church.
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And I mean, going back.
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Not just the Adventist
church, but in the work of God.
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Sometimes we,
we say, Ellen White
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is the spirit of
prophecy, she is not.
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She is just a latter
day manifestation of a gift
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that has always been there.
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And any time God
is gonna do something,
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He calls prophetic men or women
to give voice to that event
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so that we know, and of
course, Christ is coming again.
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Would not God give
voice to that event
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so that we know
precisely what's happening.
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You agree, disagree?
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I agree.
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The Lord made it
clear there is nothing
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that's going to take place,
and I repeat the text again.
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You know,
"Surely,"... "Surely," yes.
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Definitely "the
Lord God will do nothing
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except He reveal His secrets
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onto his servants the prophets."
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And so, when you
put servants, prophets,
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secrets the Lord has things
that everyone doesn't know.
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And everyone is not going
to know, except He reveals it.
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Yes, yes.
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And one, one I'd like to
add to that, Isaiah 46:9, 10.
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Because the word
prophet or prophecy
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simply means of
forecast or looking forward.
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One of the statements Jesus made
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to His disciples in John 14 is,
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"I've told you
these things beforehand."
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Yes. "So when they come to pass.
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You will believe."
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And so when the
Word of God is revealed,
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it's revealed not only
for the present moment,
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but prophecy is a
forecast of the future
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and the Lord, John, I
mean, Isaiah 46:9, 10.
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"Remember the
former things of old,
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for I am God, and
there is no other,
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I am God, and
there is none like Me,
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Declaring the end
from the beginning,
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And from ancient times
things that are not yet done,
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Saying, My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure."
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So He'd chosen
every age, mouth pieces.
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Yes. Through which to speak.
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And I'm glad you
began the program
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by saying, Ellen White is
not the spirit of prophecy.
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But she has the gift. Yes.
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And oftentimes Pastor Kenny is
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whenever we refer to
as a spirit of prophecy,
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we kind of narrowed
down to, so since she's dead,
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so also is the
spirit of prophecy.
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But the spirit
of, the Holy Spirit,
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has through every age
John 16:13 is another one.
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Maybe since, I brought it up
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let me go and read it John 16:13
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showing clearly how
the Lord, made it clear
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that the spirit
was the one involved.
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While you're turning
John, it's the abiding gift.
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God has always had spokesman.
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Throughout the history of
His dealings with mankind,
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He's had people selected by
God and just before we said,
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this is the difference
between the prophetic gift
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and the pastoral gift.
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Right.
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The prophetic gift
is bestowed directly
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to the individual by God.
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Now that the prophetic gift
is, is also a gift given by God,
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but is recognized by
men and co-signed by men.
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The prophetic gift is not.
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It's bestowed directly by God.
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And sometimes men
didn't even accept it.
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But that it had
nothing of the gift,
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because the gift was
given, it was by God.
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I want to give Pastor
Kenny a chance to register
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on what I just said.
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Yeah. All we
just pointed out on.
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Yeah, you know, I like
what's being said already
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because it says, a
good ground or foundation
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for what we need to discuss,
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and the first thing
came in my mind was,
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I Corinthians 12:1
what it talks about here,
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we need to be studying
things because we're talking,
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in my opinions, spiritual gifts.
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Spiritual gifts. Yes. Yes.
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And Paul makes it clear he said,
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"Now concerning spiritual gifts,
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brethren, I would
not have you ignorant."
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So here we're trying today
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to understand
the spiritual gifts
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and the blessings
that God has left everyone
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who's willing to accept it.
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Now we might say,
"There will be some."
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As soon as you
say, "Spiritual gifts,"
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there goes the wall.
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And there,
their eyes are closed,
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there's ears are shut.
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I'm just really
going to beg and plead
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and encourage the folk today,
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is to please
keep your mind open.
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Listen to the Word of
God, listen to the Spirit,
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erase all these
things, because if it is,
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if it is, a gift that
Jesus gave to His church,
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then we need to listen to it.
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And we need not be
ignorant, the Bible says.
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Amen.
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So maybe, that's why
we've come and sat down
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by the unction
of the Holy Spirit,
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is because we want to
offer something to many
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who have no
understanding of this subject.
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Because they've
been turned off by it,
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and we don't want
to turn anyone off.
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We want to turn him on to this,
because what a blessing quickly
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was we live in an
hour, earth's history
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where the church needs
help like no other time.
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Very true. And I'm,
what you started out.
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I don't believe that God's
going to leave us helpless,
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hanging out there in the
mess the world that we live in
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without some extra help
that we desperately need
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and guidance of
individually and the church
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so I'm thankful for the subject
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and I'm excited about that gift.
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The more I read out
that the more excited I get.
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Excellent,
excellent Pastor. John.
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And you'll discover
also, the one of the reasons
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why this gift is active.
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We have to first
look at the context
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in which the
church has always existed;
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there's always
been a false prophets.
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Yes. Yes.
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And so if you have coming
out of the banking industry,
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as I worked for many banks
in New York, Wall Street area.
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We would study the
true money so carefully
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that when we saw a counterfeit,
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we could
identify it immediately.
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And I think that one of
the things that the Lord said,
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not think but He
said, in Matthew Chapter 24,
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"Beware of false prophets."
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So there could
not be a false prophet
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expect there is a true prophet.
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And so you discover in scripture
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that when the Lord warned people
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about the presence
of a false prophet,
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He was actually
confirming and affirming
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the presence of a true prophet.
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Of the true prophet. Yes.
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Look out for
counterfeit five dollar bills,
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well, there
couldn't be any unless
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there's a true five dollar bill.
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Well said.
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And so John 16 is what I
referred to a moment ago.
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"However," John
16:13, "However, when He,
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the Spirit of truth has come,
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He will guide
you into all truth,
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for He will not
speak on His own authority.
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but whatever he
hears He will speak."
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And here's the prophetic part.
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"And He will tell
you things to come."
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Amen.
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So that gift is there,
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but here's the thing I
want to emphasize also,
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and you made a
point I want to build on.
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We don't decide
what gift we get.
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Amen.
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So there are
those individuals today,
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when you look at 1
Corinthians Chapter 12.
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And I want to walk
through there briefly.
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"There are those that say,
I want the gift of tongues."
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Or I want the
gift of interpretation.
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You don't, you don't,
this is not Christmas.
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We're not going to a
store buying the gifts we like.
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Yeah.
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The gifts are
appointed by the Holy Spirit.
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Amen. Amen. Who
decides who gets what?
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You see and that's
a great point, John
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because we don't
use the Holy Spirit.
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No.
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Holy Spirit uses us you know,
so the Holy Spirit determines
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what gets you get, your
job is to improve those gifts
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and make the
best use of your gift,
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giving proof of your ministry.
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So God gives a gift, you use
that gift to the glory of God.
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And we'll talk about some
of the gifts in particular,
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as we talked about
the gift of prophecy
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and we use the word
or the name Ellen White.
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We're gonna to talk
about her in a moment.
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But one of the points I
want to make very carefully,
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which we need to build
on is this gift was given
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that the church will
come behind in no gift.
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Precisely.
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The Lord didn't want his
church to fall behind anything,
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so He said,
"You'll not only have."
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So look at 1
Corinthians Chapter 12:7.
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He says, "But the
manifestation of the Spirit
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is given to each one
for the profit of all."
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And so it begins to
break down the gifts.
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Verse 8, "The word of
wisdom through the Spirit,
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to another the word of knowledge
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through the same Spirit."
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Verse 9, "To another
faith by the same Spirit,
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to another gifts of
healings by the same Spirit,
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to another the
working of miracles,
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to another prophecy,
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to another
discerning of spirits,
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to another
different kinds of tongues,
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to another
interpretation of tongues."
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So the Spirit decides who needs
what at what particular point
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and the reason why it was so
significant for the Corinthians
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is because they lived
in a multicultural city.
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Precisely.
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They lived where people
had different languages.
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And he said, as
his 1 Corinthians 12:12
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lays the foundation
for 13 and then for 14
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because 14,
particularly talks about
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the gift of tongues,
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12 talks about, the
greatest of all the gifts
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which is you know, "love, faith,
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hope and love these all abide
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but the greatest
of these is love."
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And Chapter 12 talks about
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what the Spirit of
God is going to do.
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So He appoints the gifts
and then He asked the question.
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"Do all prophesy?"
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Well. No.
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It's rhetorical.
Right, so it is rhetorical.
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The answer is,
no, no, no, no. Right.
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So I can't say,
here's the one of the dangers
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with the Christian Church today.
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One of the dangers, I
look at the camera to say this,
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one of the dangers in
Christianity today is,
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people say, and
people have been taught
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that the evidence of the
presence of the Spirit is,
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I could speak in tongues. Yes.
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So they say that's the
evidence and they go to,
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Acts Chapter 2
thinking that confirms
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that when the
Spirit was poured out.
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they spoke with other tongues.
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That's the key they
spoke with other tongues,
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which means they
already spoke in tongues.
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In tongues, correct.
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But they were
able to communicate
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in different languages
and different people groups.
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And its interesting
John, they took Chapter 13,
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right there between 12 and 14.
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Because many people today
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try to measure the
Spirit by the gifts.
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And you can't, you measure
this prayer by the fruit.
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There you go, man.
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But not the gifts,
because the gifts are varied.
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So right in middle
you got that love chapter
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because, love is a commonality.
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It is the fruit that
anytime the Spirit is there,
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there will be love.
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So you can measure by love.
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Is a person
kinder? Is he forgiving?
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Is his countenance
kinder? Are his words softer?
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That's the measure of
the presence of Spirit,
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not their gifts because
everybody gets different gifts,
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and are called to use
those gifts that they get.
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Amen. So well
said, Pastor Kenny.
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You know, that, yeah, how
important this subject is.
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Isn't it?
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This is one of the
last things that Jesus did
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while He was
ascending into heaven.
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In 1 Corinthians 12:8, it
says, that He gave men gifts.
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Yes, yes.
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So it had to be, it has to
be so important for us today,
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for all of God's children.
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Because that's what He
said, last thing He did.
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I'm gonna leave some gifts.
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Yes, yes. To the church.
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We could take an hour
just on gifts as you can see.
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And what were those gifts for?
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Those are for the
building of the by the Christ,
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not so you could say,
hey, well, I got a gift.
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You know, I got it now.
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No, it's so you can
put that gift to work,
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to lift up the name of Jesus.
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When you say, when
you're talking about prophecy,
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we're talking about gift of
prophecy, and so on so forth,
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isn't there like, two
classes you can look at,
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because in prophecy
you have one prophet
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who is predicting events
that, you know, going to happen.
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And of course,
they have to happen.
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Then on the other
side you have someone
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who is a mouthpiece for God.
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Yes.
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Who is a
spokesperson that edifies,
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that builds up the church.
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Yeah.
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That gives the church some help.
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Yeah, pastor, that's
a very good distinction,
00:20:56.12\00:20:57.62
we talk about
foretelling, and forth telling.
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And really, if you
look at the particularly,
00:21:00.89\00:21:02.89
the Major Prophets, much
more their ministry was designed
00:21:02.92\00:21:05.76
and in forth
telling than in foretelling.
00:21:05.79\00:21:09.43
Much of their ministry was
day to day, correcting errors.
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Telling kings you
need to cut that stuff out,
00:21:12.33\00:21:14.10
I mean that's why you talk
about the lack of job security,
00:21:14.14\00:21:16.87
and in short, you know,
in and out kind of fast,
00:21:16.91\00:21:19.77
it's dangerous
living to tell a monarch,
00:21:19.81\00:21:22.98
who has absolute power "Listen,
God told me to tell you,
00:21:23.01\00:21:25.75
you're not doing right.
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Or you get
yourself, house in order,
00:21:27.18\00:21:28.52
because you're going to die."
00:21:28.55\00:21:29.88
You know that kind of thing.
00:21:29.92\00:21:31.25
So they spent a lot
of time correcting error
00:21:31.29\00:21:33.09
and preaching the truth
00:21:33.12\00:21:34.62
and straightening
out day to day things
00:21:34.66\00:21:36.52
in addition to speaking
00:21:36.56\00:21:39.06
what we would call
purely prophetic words.
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And so when you
think about this gift
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I want to refer
to another one here.
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In Ephesians Chapter 4,
let's look at that again.
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Or let's look at that,
we did look at it earlier.
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But Ephesians
Chapter 4, the impartation.
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I like that, for
telling and forth telling.
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Thank you.
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A mouthpiece, as
well as a prophet
00:22:03.79\00:22:06.52
speaking of things to be come
00:22:06.55\00:22:07.99
and speaking in
the present moment
00:22:08.02\00:22:09.69
because by the
way, the as you know,
00:22:09.72\00:22:11.39
in the Greek the word prophet
or when you have prophecy,
00:22:11.43\00:22:17.03
it doesn't just mean a
person giving prophecies
00:22:17.07\00:22:19.83
but it also means
preaching, prophesy.
00:22:19.87\00:22:22.94
And they
prophesied the Bible says,
00:22:22.97\00:22:24.44
they spoke the word
of God with boldness.
00:22:24.47\00:22:27.38
But Ephesians Chapter 4,
00:22:27.44\00:22:30.41
what's the
purpose of these gifts?
00:22:30.45\00:22:32.51
And it says, verse
12 Ephesians Chapter 4.
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And it leads
itself out of verse 11,
00:22:36.22\00:22:39.05
"And He, Himself
gave some to be apostles,
00:22:39.09\00:22:42.36
some prophets, some evangelists,
00:22:42.39\00:22:45.29
some pastors, and teachers,
00:22:45.33\00:22:47.10
for the equipping of the saints,
00:22:47.13\00:22:49.36
for the work of ministry
00:22:49.40\00:22:50.73
for the edifying
of the body of Christ
00:22:50.80\00:22:53.07
till we all come to
the unity of the faith
00:22:53.10\00:22:56.40
and the knowledge
of the Son of God,
00:22:56.44\00:22:58.47
to a perfect man."
00:22:58.51\00:22:59.84
That's mature in
our Christianity.
00:22:59.87\00:23:01.81
"To the measure of the statue
of the fullness of Christ."
00:23:01.84\00:23:04.55
But then it goes on to tell you
00:23:04.58\00:23:05.91
what other
benefit this gift has.
00:23:05.95\00:23:08.48
"Till that we should
no longer be children."
00:23:08.52\00:23:11.62
That means still stuck in
our immature Christianity.
00:23:11.65\00:23:15.12
"Tossed to and fro."
00:23:15.16\00:23:16.62
It means any time something
new comes along we follow it.
00:23:16.66\00:23:19.89
"Carried about with
every wind up doctrine
00:23:19.93\00:23:21.40
by the trickery of men
00:23:21.43\00:23:22.86
and the cunning
craftiness by which
00:23:22.90\00:23:25.03
they lie and wait to deceive."
00:23:25.07\00:23:26.94
So now let's begin
to plunge into the topic
00:23:27.00\00:23:28.77
about the spirit of prophecy.
00:23:28.80\00:23:30.77
So you see clearly Pastor Kenny,
00:23:30.81\00:23:32.61
and you could
register on this too.
00:23:32.64\00:23:34.14
Before I go on is
the Lord gave this gift
00:23:34.18\00:23:37.51
so that it could
mature the church.
00:23:37.55\00:23:39.51
So that it could
unify the church.
00:23:39.55\00:23:41.65
So that it could prevent
the church from being deceived.
00:23:41.68\00:23:44.59
Yes.
00:23:44.62\00:23:45.95
Let me tell you why
that's so important,
00:23:45.99\00:23:47.32
because there
are people nowadays,
00:23:47.36\00:23:48.69
I remember giving my
first Revelation seminar
00:23:48.72\00:23:51.23
back in 89, 88, 89,
00:23:51.26\00:23:54.20
and I advertised
"Prophecy Seminar coming up."
00:23:54.23\00:23:58.53
Not applying myself to
the prophet but the forth,
00:23:58.57\00:24:02.00
not the forth teller
about the foreteller.
00:24:02.04\00:24:04.14
Yeah. Okay.
00:24:04.21\00:24:05.54
Proclaiming what I know
was already in God's word.
00:24:05.57\00:24:07.81
But never forgot
that and many, many people
00:24:07.84\00:24:10.85
came out to the meeting.
00:24:10.88\00:24:12.21
It was in a small town up
in the Northern California
00:24:12.25\00:24:13.95
mountains of Weaverville.
00:24:14.02\00:24:15.65
And was it was only 2,500 people
00:24:15.68\00:24:17.32
in that immediate town
00:24:17.39\00:24:18.75
adding the mountains maybe, 5000
00:24:18.79\00:24:20.96
but most of them were hidden.
00:24:20.99\00:24:22.42
Anyway almost all
the clergy in town
00:24:22.46\00:24:24.33
came out to that
meeting in about a week later,
00:24:24.36\00:24:26.73
many of the churches
began their own meetings
00:24:26.80\00:24:28.86
talking about prophecy.
00:24:28.90\00:24:31.10
And I've begun to visit
00:24:31.13\00:24:32.93
some of these
meetings on my off night.
00:24:32.97\00:24:35.14
Which was Monday and
Thursday and came to discover,
00:24:35.17\00:24:38.01
there were people coming in town
00:24:38.04\00:24:39.71
that were not forth telling
00:24:39.74\00:24:41.74
but they were fib telling.
00:24:41.78\00:24:44.55
It was the prophecies.
00:24:47.68\00:24:49.02
"God told me to tell
you that in about two weeks,
00:24:49.05\00:24:52.55
He's going to lose your tongue
00:24:52.59\00:24:53.92
for the
proclamation of the gospel.
00:24:53.96\00:24:55.46
God told me, that He's
going to touch your ear,
00:24:55.49\00:24:57.49
and he'll hear Pastor Kenny."
00:24:57.53\00:24:59.09
"Because you don't
have any difficulty."
00:24:59.13\00:25:01.06
I'm thinking, okay I understand,
00:25:01.10\00:25:04.40
I understand the
place in healing.
00:25:04.43\00:25:06.30
That's the gift
of healing. Amen.
00:25:06.33\00:25:08.40
But not saying these
men wore a facade or not,
00:25:08.44\00:25:12.11
but I had a difficult time
00:25:12.14\00:25:13.71
tying anything they
said to the Wordof God.
00:25:13.78\00:25:16.28
So one of the first,
00:25:16.31\00:25:17.65
one of the first
functions of a prophet is
00:25:17.68\00:25:19.38
they cannot stray away
from the revealed Word of God.
00:25:19.41\00:25:22.85
Yes. Amen. That's right.
00:25:22.88\00:25:24.22
Any time they stray away
from the revealed Word of God,
00:25:24.29\00:25:26.86
they cannot be a prophet.
00:25:26.89\00:25:28.39
Watch to test Isaiah 8:20.
00:25:28.42\00:25:30.33
You know, right? The law.
00:25:30.36\00:25:31.69
Say it, say it.
00:25:31.73\00:25:33.06
"The law and to the testimony,
00:25:33.09\00:25:34.40
they speak
another according to this,
00:25:34.46\00:25:35.76
it is because there
is no light in them."
00:25:35.80\00:25:37.13
That's a bottom line.
00:25:37.17\00:25:38.57
It had no light
that's what it means.
00:25:38.60\00:25:40.50
It doesn't 90
percent, 95, 99, no light.
00:25:40.54\00:25:44.51
That's where we
have to come from.
00:25:44.54\00:25:45.87
I like that pastor
you're right, right, right.
00:25:45.91\00:25:47.24
But we've got to
come to that point.
00:25:47.28\00:25:48.61
It's all or nothing.
That's all or nothing.
00:25:48.64\00:25:50.01
Rather say, well
I hear some truth?
00:25:50.05\00:25:51.38
Or you're going to
hear a lot of, a lot of air.
00:25:51.41\00:25:53.18
I want to ears to
tingle with, with the truth.
00:25:53.21\00:25:56.08
So, so a prophet or
even pastor has to agree
00:25:56.12\00:26:00.59
with all of the word.
00:26:00.62\00:26:01.96
All of the revealed word of God.
00:26:01.99\00:26:03.79
Not just the Old Testament,
not just the New Testament.
00:26:03.86\00:26:05.19
All of the revealed word of God.
00:26:05.23\00:26:06.56
That's right, that's right.
00:26:06.59\00:26:07.93
Yeah, and if they don't
there's no light in them.
00:26:07.96\00:26:09.26
That's not, not a
little light, not black light.
00:26:09.30\00:26:11.20
No light.
00:26:11.23\00:26:12.57
Matter of fact, let
me ask you a question.
00:26:12.60\00:26:13.94
How many degrees off course
you want your pilot to fly?
00:26:13.97\00:26:15.77
I receive that. Yeah.
00:26:18.44\00:26:20.08
How many degrees off the
runway do you want him to land?
00:26:22.04\00:26:25.35
If you will, if
you start one degree
00:26:25.38\00:26:27.65
by the time you get
to your destination.
00:26:27.68\00:26:29.15
You're in a different city.
You're in a different country.
00:26:29.18\00:26:30.72
Yes.
00:26:30.79\00:26:32.95
It doesn't take much.
00:26:32.99\00:26:34.32
I only way on buy one degree.
00:26:34.36\00:26:36.46
I mean, understanding aviations,
00:26:36.49\00:26:37.96
those degrees are serious.
00:26:37.99\00:26:39.43
They're very serious, yeah.
00:26:39.46\00:26:40.80
Approach and then you have
all these planes coming in,
00:26:40.83\00:26:42.43
if everybody decide that
those degrees insignificant,
00:26:42.46\00:26:45.57
there's gonna be some
catastrophe in that airport,
00:26:45.60\00:26:47.70
and so there are so
many prophets today.
00:26:47.74\00:26:49.77
We have prophets
many, and Lords many,
00:26:49.80\00:26:51.41
and preaches many.
00:26:51.44\00:26:52.77
And so many today,
00:26:52.81\00:26:54.14
are claiming to be
prophets and prophetesses,
00:26:54.18\00:26:55.64
and coming off
the cuff of prophets
00:26:55.68\00:26:57.75
that prophecies that have
nothing to do with scripture.
00:26:57.78\00:27:00.38
Another proof text
is 1 John Chapter 2:3, 4
00:27:00.45\00:27:05.89
"Now, by this" verse 3,
00:27:05.92\00:27:07.29
"Now by this we
know that we know Him,
00:27:07.32\00:27:09.82
if we keep His commandments.
00:27:09.86\00:27:11.39
He who says, 'I know Him,'
00:27:11.43\00:27:12.76
and does not
keep His commandments,
00:27:12.79\00:27:14.23
is a liar, and the
truth is not in him."
00:27:14.30\00:27:16.13
So if you have a
person that said,
00:27:16.16\00:27:17.50
he or she is a
prophet and they don't uphold
00:27:17.57\00:27:19.57
the commandments of God
00:27:19.60\00:27:21.07
is because there's how
much light Pastor Kenny?
00:27:21.10\00:27:23.27
No light. No light, no light.
00:27:23.30\00:27:24.64
To the law and to the testimony.
00:27:24.67\00:27:26.01
Yes. Yeah.
00:27:26.04\00:27:27.38
And, we've touched
down, the proof text,
00:27:27.41\00:27:29.71
or the proofing of
a prophet 1 John 4:2,
00:27:29.74\00:27:32.35
They've got to
confess Jesus Christ
00:27:32.38\00:27:33.92
is come in a
flesh you know that.
00:27:33.95\00:27:35.65
You can't be a prophet of God,
00:27:35.68\00:27:37.99
and not confess
Christ is come in a flesh.
00:27:38.02\00:27:39.92
So if you
preach any other gospel
00:27:39.95\00:27:41.42
or confessing anybody
else, then you're not,
00:27:41.46\00:27:43.36
you are
counterfeit, you're counterfeit.
00:27:43.43\00:27:44.86
Yes.
00:27:44.89\00:27:46.23
Yeah and excuse me.
00:27:46.26\00:27:49.86
Matthew Chapter 7:20
00:27:49.90\00:27:51.47
Okay, there it is.
00:27:51.50\00:27:52.83
Yeah, yeah and I
know, you both know.
00:27:52.87\00:27:54.37
"By their fruit."
"By their fruits."
00:27:54.40\00:27:56.07
You got to look
at the life you know,
00:27:56.10\00:27:57.71
you can't and
that's what sad, so sad,
00:27:57.74\00:28:00.61
that to profess one
thing and live another.
00:28:00.64\00:28:03.11
Or live one thing
and profess another.
00:28:03.14\00:28:04.88
Like you know, as we're talking
00:28:04.91\00:28:08.08
we're now in a
election campaign season.
00:28:08.12\00:28:11.52
Yes.
00:28:11.55\00:28:12.89
And one of the
things they're talking about
00:28:12.92\00:28:14.29
so many of these politicians
who profess to be Christians
00:28:14.32\00:28:16.56
use such cheap
and foul language.
00:28:16.59\00:28:19.89
You know, how can
you be a child of God
00:28:19.93\00:28:23.26
and take the name
of Jesus on your lips,
00:28:23.30\00:28:25.07
and then out of the
same mouth you know,
00:28:25.10\00:28:27.57
James's has blessings and curses
00:28:27.64\00:28:29.10
out of the same mouth.
00:28:29.14\00:28:30.51
It can't, it can't be.
00:28:30.54\00:28:32.87
So Matthew 7:20 tells
me, look at their life,
00:28:32.91\00:28:36.48
look at the fruit,
if they're if they're.
00:28:36.51\00:28:38.51
We used to sing a
song, when I was a local,
00:28:38.55\00:28:40.15
"One night of praying
and six nights of fun,
00:28:40.22\00:28:42.28
odds of going
heaven six to one."
00:28:42.32\00:28:45.52
So if you serve the Lord
one day and party in six,
00:28:45.55\00:28:48.16
there's something wrong
with that, that's inconsistent.
00:28:48.19\00:28:50.23
And you know, the
Bible says, "If a man cannot,
00:28:50.26\00:28:52.56
"If he says, he's religious
and cannot bridle his tongue."
00:28:52.59\00:28:56.03
Thank you. "His
religion is in vain."
00:28:56.06\00:28:57.90
Precisely, precisely.
00:28:57.93\00:28:59.77
What you were
saying a while ago,
00:28:59.80\00:29:01.57
really such a good
point you bringing out too
00:29:01.60\00:29:04.24
is 'cause people ask
this, they say, "Yeah,
00:29:04.27\00:29:06.37
you folks talk
about spirit of prophecy;
00:29:06.41\00:29:07.88
you talk about
prophecy in the church.
00:29:07.91\00:29:09.24
But you know, we realize
there are New Testament gifts
00:29:09.28\00:29:11.01
but you know, Christ
came so there you know,
00:29:11.05\00:29:13.31
its not usable now,
we don't have that."
00:29:13.35\00:29:15.48
But if you read
Ephesians 4 that you did,
00:29:15.52\00:29:17.25
I think about verse
8, you were talking about
00:29:17.32\00:29:18.75
until we come to the unity,
till perfection of the saint.
00:29:18.79\00:29:21.62
In other words, it's good,
this gift is given by Jesus
00:29:21.66\00:29:24.79
when His last effort
we talked about it to men.
00:29:24.83\00:29:27.60
And they would be in
operation, until He comes again.
00:29:27.66\00:29:30.77
Yes, yes.
00:29:30.80\00:29:32.13
That's a good
part, and you brought up.
00:29:32.17\00:29:33.50
Was good you talk about,
remind me of Deuteronomy 13,
00:29:33.54\00:29:37.61
and just let me share
because it is so gels with
00:29:37.64\00:29:39.44
what you were
talking about obedience.
00:29:39.47\00:29:41.54
Because there are
those who do prophesy,
00:29:41.58\00:29:44.25
there are those who say,
"This is going to happen"
00:29:44.28\00:29:46.65
and it does but
they're still a false prophet.
00:29:46.72\00:29:48.45
What're we gonna do? Yes, yes.
00:29:48.48\00:29:49.88
Bible tells us.
00:29:49.92\00:29:51.25
Read that, read that's
a very important point.
00:29:51.29\00:29:52.62
Deuteronomy 13 starting
with the about verse one,
00:29:52.65\00:29:55.39
we'll read several verses.
00:29:55.42\00:29:56.76
Notice "If there
arise among you a prophet."
00:29:56.83\00:29:59.19
Yes, Sir.
00:29:59.23\00:30:00.60
Or a dreamer of dreams,
00:30:00.63\00:30:01.93
and giveth thee a
sign and a wonder,
00:30:01.96\00:30:04.03
and the sign or the
wonder comes to pass."
00:30:04.07\00:30:06.07
Over here we have somebody,
come and said, I'm a prophet,
00:30:06.10\00:30:08.67
and I don't know about you,
00:30:08.70\00:30:10.07
but I've had quite
a few different people
00:30:10.11\00:30:11.47
come up and say, "I'm
a prophet in the church."
00:30:11.51\00:30:13.01
Oh, yes.
00:30:13.04\00:30:14.91
And I keep looking at them.
00:30:14.94\00:30:16.28
I just keep looking at them.
00:30:16.31\00:30:17.95
And they say on, you know why?
00:30:17.98\00:30:19.55
You know why?
00:30:19.58\00:30:20.92
Because you can tell,
00:30:20.95\00:30:22.28
in a matter of
just a few moments
00:30:22.32\00:30:23.65
when they open their
mouth, whether they are God
00:30:23.69\00:30:25.02
or whether they are not.
00:30:25.05\00:30:26.39
They're not trying
to be judgmental by that
00:30:26.42\00:30:27.76
for you'll know
because it's not harmonized.
00:30:27.79\00:30:29.22
Know what Scripture says here.
00:30:29.26\00:30:30.69
So in other words
they said, this and this,
00:30:30.73\00:30:32.26
and such is going to happen.
00:30:32.29\00:30:33.66
They're going to show a sign.
00:30:33.70\00:30:35.00
They're going to show wonder,
we can't even explain it.
00:30:35.03\00:30:36.80
But notice how the Bible says,
let's be careful about that.
00:30:36.83\00:30:38.97
Yes.
00:30:39.00\00:30:40.37
"The sign or the
wonder come to pass,
00:30:40.40\00:30:41.77
whereof he spake
unto thee saying,
00:30:41.80\00:30:43.87
"Let us go after other gods."
00:30:43.94\00:30:45.64
Here we go he exposing
himself the more he talks.
00:30:45.67\00:30:48.34
"Which thou has not
known, let us serve them."
00:30:48.38\00:30:51.25
Verse 3.
00:30:51.28\00:30:52.61
"Thou shall not hearken
to the words of that prophet
00:30:52.65\00:30:55.48
that dreamer of dreams,
00:30:55.52\00:30:56.92
for the Lord
your God proveth you,
00:30:56.95\00:30:58.79
to know whether you
love the Lord your God
00:30:58.82\00:31:00.76
with all your
heart, with all your soul."
00:31:00.79\00:31:02.69
Last verse 4 says this,
00:31:02.72\00:31:04.56
"You shall walk
after the Lord your God",
00:31:04.59\00:31:07.20
here it goes, "And fear Him,
00:31:07.23\00:31:09.46
and keep His commandments
and obey His," you talking,
00:31:09.50\00:31:13.70
"His voice; and ye shall
serve Him and cleave unto Him."
00:31:13.74\00:31:17.77
So this is a sure sign.
00:31:17.81\00:31:20.48
I'm a prophet they say,
this is going to happen,
00:31:20.54\00:31:22.71
this is going to happen,
signs and it comes to pass,
00:31:22.74\00:31:25.55
yet they are not keeping
all of God's commandments.
00:31:25.58\00:31:28.28
It's not the voice of God.
00:31:28.32\00:31:30.15
That tells
right, then and there,
00:31:30.19\00:31:31.52
if they're advocating,
00:31:31.55\00:31:32.89
you don't have to
keep the commandment,
00:31:32.92\00:31:34.26
you don't have to be obedient.
00:31:34.29\00:31:35.62
You're a false prophet
and I don't mind to say so.
00:31:35.66\00:31:37.66
Yeah. You know why?
00:31:37.69\00:31:39.03
Because the Word
of God just said it.
00:31:39.06\00:31:40.40
Yeah. In a lot of places.
00:31:40.46\00:31:41.76
Yeah, yeah.
Does that make sense?
00:31:41.80\00:31:43.16
Well said, and
one thing you've done
00:31:43.20\00:31:45.97
is harmonize the
Old and New Testament.
00:31:46.00\00:31:47.80
So adding a text if,
if they don't believe
00:31:47.84\00:31:51.81
that the Old
Testament is still in force
00:31:51.84\00:31:54.58
because what you
just said, backs up
00:31:54.61\00:31:56.51
what we pulled from 1
John, just little bit ago.
00:31:56.54\00:31:58.81
That you've got to believe
00:31:58.85\00:32:00.42
Jesus Christ
has come in a flesh.
00:32:00.45\00:32:01.85
You've got to
believe, in commandment keeping
00:32:01.88\00:32:04.09
and that was established
in the Old Testament.
00:32:04.12\00:32:05.89
Re-affirmed in
the New Testament,
00:32:05.92\00:32:07.82
so if a person comes
and says, "I'm a prophet.
00:32:07.86\00:32:09.89
Don't worry about
the Old Testament,
00:32:09.92\00:32:11.26
that's all done away
with," false prophet.
00:32:11.29\00:32:13.40
Yes.
00:32:13.43\00:32:14.73
You know, there's got
to be Old and New Testament
00:32:14.76\00:32:16.10
because one is built, is built
on the other well said, pastor.
00:32:16.13\00:32:18.93
And the reason
why that's important,
00:32:18.97\00:32:20.50
so glad that
you brought that up,
00:32:20.54\00:32:21.87
because there
are people nowadays
00:32:21.90\00:32:23.24
we have to keep in
mind also one of the reasons
00:32:23.27\00:32:24.71
why the Lord said,
"False prophecies is because
00:32:24.74\00:32:27.91
they will show signs and wonders
00:32:27.94\00:32:31.35
that will be marvelous that
you cannot believe your eyes,
00:32:31.38\00:32:35.95
but you have to
believe the Word of God.
00:32:35.98\00:32:37.75
We know, we have magicians
and we have what's the--
00:32:37.79\00:32:40.56
illusionist that
could do things before you.
00:32:40.62\00:32:44.09
Now let's take
that to the next level.
00:32:44.13\00:32:46.36
What if?
00:32:46.39\00:32:47.73
What if a person who
is trying to get you away
00:32:47.76\00:32:49.26
from the Commandments of God,
00:32:49.30\00:32:50.63
caims to have healed
someone that Satan bound
00:32:50.70\00:32:55.00
and then remove that, just
to make his prophet look like
00:32:55.04\00:32:58.01
he just performed a
miracle, the Bible uses that
00:32:58.04\00:33:01.38
Janis and Jambres
did the same thing
00:33:01.41\00:33:03.24
and resented Moses in Egypt.
00:33:03.28\00:33:05.18
You know, when Moses threw down
his rod and became a serpent
00:33:05.21\00:33:07.62
they threw their's down too.
00:33:07.65\00:33:09.35
Fortunately Moses'
serpent up their's.
00:33:09.38\00:33:11.35
Yes.
00:33:11.39\00:33:12.72
But, see, so the Lord showed
the upper hand in that sense,
00:33:12.75\00:33:15.96
but here's the other key.
00:33:15.99\00:33:18.36
When the servant of the
Lord, God sent out a prophet
00:33:18.39\00:33:21.23
the Bible doesn't
even identifies his name
00:33:21.26\00:33:22.83
but the Lord said
his prophet you go,
00:33:22.86\00:33:25.17
you proclaim the
message when you come back,
00:33:25.20\00:33:26.84
don't stop at anybody's
house and don't talk to anybody.
00:33:26.90\00:33:29.97
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
00:33:30.01\00:33:31.34
Don't eat with them,
but he meets some along,
00:33:31.37\00:33:33.24
someone along the way.
00:33:33.27\00:33:34.61
And this is where brethren,
we have to be very careful
00:33:34.64\00:33:36.71
about rubbing
shoulders with clergy
00:33:36.75\00:33:38.51
that don't
support what we teach.
00:33:38.55\00:33:40.18
I'm gonna see that again.
00:33:40.22\00:33:41.55
Yeah, very careful
to be rubbing shoulders
00:33:41.58\00:33:43.95
often with clergy that
don't teach what you teach.
00:33:43.99\00:33:48.89
And their relationship
tends to erode your beliefs.
00:33:48.92\00:33:51.86
'Cause pastor I'm
glad you chose it,
00:33:51.89\00:33:53.86
because when I was
pasturing and I always joined
00:33:53.90\00:33:56.00
the ministerial associations.
00:33:56.03\00:33:57.50
And I felt, Ellen White's
call to draw close to clergy
00:33:57.53\00:34:01.97
but not to hide who you are,
00:34:02.00\00:34:03.81
not to downplay
what you believe.
00:34:03.84\00:34:05.77
And if you're doctrinal package
causes a degree of separation,
00:34:05.81\00:34:09.81
you cannot surrender
that, that doctrinal package
00:34:09.84\00:34:12.55
just to be buddy, buddy
with clergies of other faith.
00:34:12.58\00:34:15.08
I'm Seventh-day Adventists,
00:34:15.12\00:34:16.45
I don't need to
apologize for that.
00:34:16.48\00:34:18.05
That's what I'
am and I found that,
00:34:18.09\00:34:20.46
that either you
respect that or you don't.
00:34:20.49\00:34:22.29
And most of the
guys, respect the fact
00:34:22.32\00:34:24.66
that you're a
student of the word.
00:34:24.69\00:34:26.49
You know, they want you
to be a student of word.
00:34:26.53\00:34:28.10
And many times,
they'll say, you know,
00:34:28.13\00:34:29.46
"I've never saw it that way.
00:34:29.50\00:34:30.83
And I was thought that,
00:34:30.87\00:34:32.20
because we just
never studied it that way."
00:34:32.23\00:34:33.60
So if you hold up
Jesus, Jesus will hold up you.
00:34:33.64\00:34:35.17
Let me give an example, of just
what you were talking about.
00:34:35.20\00:34:39.04
Because I think it's
important that we stay in touch
00:34:39.07\00:34:41.54
to certain extent.
00:34:41.58\00:34:42.91
You're giving,
when you do watch,
00:34:42.94\00:34:44.55
I was invited years ago,
when 3ABN was first starting.
00:34:44.58\00:34:48.48
I was invited to
the all the pastors
00:34:48.52\00:34:51.35
all the local call the
church is Southern Illinois.
00:34:51.39\00:34:54.12
And so I was invited
there and they wanted me
00:34:54.16\00:34:57.03
to tell a little bit about
00:34:57.09\00:34:58.93
Three Angels
broadcasting message
00:34:58.96\00:35:01.60
you would be giving
00:35:01.63\00:35:03.26
and how would we be
giving this message.
00:35:03.30\00:35:05.53
What, we're gonna
be involving everybody,
00:35:05.57\00:35:07.74
and it is really
interesting, because they say,
00:35:07.77\00:35:10.41
"We want you to come,
the invitation is given
00:35:10.44\00:35:12.01
all the pastors there."
00:35:12.04\00:35:13.38
They must be in 30 or 40,
00:35:13.41\00:35:14.74
the other
denomination all sitting around.
00:35:14.78\00:35:16.54
And I got to sit next to the,
West Frank the local Priest.
00:35:16.58\00:35:20.35
So I sat next to him,
he was just right close by
00:35:20.42\00:35:24.45
and one of the pastors
asked, and said you know,
00:35:24.49\00:35:27.26
"but you've
flocks talk a lot about
00:35:27.29\00:35:29.56
Sabbath and Sundays, don't you?
00:35:29.59\00:35:31.46
I said, "we sure do."
00:35:31.49\00:35:32.93
"Is that something that
you're going to do on the air?"
00:35:32.96\00:35:36.03
I said, "absolutely."
00:35:36.06\00:35:37.43
"And he said, what
where you get that?
00:35:37.47\00:35:38.87
Some people have told me about
00:35:38.90\00:35:40.50
there's Three Angels
are given three messages,
00:35:40.54\00:35:42.97
could you just quickly
give us a little synopsis of
00:35:43.00\00:35:46.34
first, second,
third Angels message?"
00:35:46.37\00:35:48.21
Oh, man. And so,
I'm looking over...
00:35:48.24\00:35:50.71
A little synopsis, yeah.
00:35:50.75\00:35:53.05
I looked over to my
buddy next to him, a priest.
00:35:53.08\00:35:55.72
His eyes...
00:35:55.75\00:35:57.72
And then let it go.
00:35:57.75\00:35:59.09
He got me, he looked at
me and he went, like this.
00:35:59.12\00:36:01.29
And I said, you know what?
I'll just have to tell it all.
00:36:01.32\00:36:03.39
And so I just had
to stay, you know,
00:36:03.46\00:36:04.89
just as quickly as
we could to get down,
00:36:04.93\00:36:06.49
of warning about
the Mark of the beast
00:36:06.53\00:36:08.06
and so on and so forth.
00:36:08.10\00:36:09.43
But the interesting
point not all that transpired
00:36:09.46\00:36:11.63
and took place but you see
00:36:11.67\00:36:13.00
some of begin to
shake a little in the boots.
00:36:13.03\00:36:15.00
And they didn't
want me back ever again.
00:36:15.04\00:36:17.97
And I was never invited
back to be a part of it.
00:36:18.01\00:36:20.18
I know that.
00:36:20.21\00:36:21.54
So I mean, you
understand the feeling.
00:36:21.58\00:36:22.91
You took your
opportunity, you were asked
00:36:22.94\00:36:24.38
and you gave the truth.
00:36:24.41\00:36:25.75
I think God gave
that opportunity,
00:36:25.78\00:36:27.12
and then even to
the point, of quickly,
00:36:27.15\00:36:29.42
what you could be
doing at that station.
00:36:29.45\00:36:31.32
Excellent
00:36:31.35\00:36:32.69
And then, after that
don't need that anymore
00:36:32.72\00:36:35.59
that's just not gonna work.
00:36:35.62\00:36:37.06
All right, Pastor
John, I did cut you off,
00:36:37.13\00:36:38.46
I hope that you
were saying something.
00:36:38.49\00:36:40.90
The text was in 1 King
13:18 where the man of God,
00:36:40.93\00:36:47.44
became deterred by yielding
to somebody claming to have
00:36:47.50\00:36:51.51
that the same gift.
00:36:51.54\00:36:52.94
He says in verse 18,
of 1 King Chapter 13,
00:36:52.97\00:36:56.31
"He said unto him"
this is the deceiver now.
00:36:56.34\00:36:59.01
He said, to the man of God.
00:36:59.05\00:37:01.02
"I am a prophet
also as thou art."
00:37:01.05\00:37:03.45
Well.
00:37:03.52\00:37:04.85
"And an angel spoke unto
me by the word of the Lord,
00:37:04.89\00:37:07.69
saying, Bring him back
with thee into thine house,
00:37:07.72\00:37:10.06
that he may eat
bread and drink water.
00:37:10.09\00:37:11.99
But he lied unto him."
00:37:12.03\00:37:13.46
The Bible say, he lied it
00:37:13.53\00:37:15.50
so when people claim
nowadays to be a prophet,
00:37:15.53\00:37:17.80
you got to test it.
00:37:17.83\00:37:19.17
Thank you.
00:37:19.20\00:37:20.54
You got to test it
by the word of God.
00:37:20.57\00:37:21.90
What I like it about the
ministry of Ellen White is,
00:37:21.94\00:37:24.11
she tested
everything, everything she said
00:37:24.14\00:37:27.38
can be tested
by the word of God.
00:37:27.41\00:37:28.94
Amen.
00:37:28.98\00:37:30.35
And she didn't write
another Bible like Joseph Smith,
00:37:30.38\00:37:32.68
I want to be very candid.
00:37:32.71\00:37:34.05
Go on.
00:37:34.12\00:37:35.45
Like Joseph Smith or
the Jehovah's Witnesses
00:37:35.48\00:37:37.62
who have modified the Bible
to make Jesus a lesser God.
00:37:37.65\00:37:40.96
I don't have time to
meander and amaze mediocrity,
00:37:40.99\00:37:42.66
is that tall right?
00:37:42.69\00:37:44.03
That's all right.
That's quite all right.
00:37:44.06\00:37:45.39
You got to be very
careful about what you believe,
00:37:45.43\00:37:47.66
when you
minimize Jesus, you also,
00:37:47.66\00:37:49.80
you neutralize your salvation.
00:37:49.83\00:37:51.83
If he's not the Saviour,
00:37:51.87\00:37:54.04
if he is a lesser
man then His Father,
00:37:54.10\00:37:56.20
then you don't
have anybody to stand,
00:37:56.24\00:37:58.74
If can't do anything for you
00:37:58.77\00:38:00.21
I can't do anything for you,
because I'm not strong enough.
00:38:00.24\00:38:01.91
But so...
00:38:01.94\00:38:03.51
If you step him down,
he can do anything for you.
00:38:03.58\00:38:05.91
Right. He's got to be God.
00:38:05.95\00:38:07.45
Amen.
00:38:07.48\00:38:08.82
Good, it's good to
see someone that know.
00:38:08.85\00:38:10.22
No, I like the way it
hitting there is no use,
00:38:10.25\00:38:12.59
really we live in such
a time in earth's history
00:38:12.62\00:38:16.56
is many times, maybe all
of us have a different time
00:38:16.59\00:38:19.13
we minced words.
00:38:19.16\00:38:21.16
That's not
trying to hurt anybody.
00:38:21.20\00:38:22.76
It's you have this in your gut,
you have this in your heart,
00:38:22.80\00:38:26.37
you think about it.
00:38:26.40\00:38:27.87
You pray about it,
you dream about it,
00:38:27.90\00:38:31.14
of saving souls for
Jesus working for him.
00:38:31.17\00:38:34.34
And so if
something that burns inside,
00:38:34.38\00:38:36.11
that has to come out,
00:38:36.14\00:38:37.81
and so lot of times we minced,
we danced around the bar,
00:38:37.85\00:38:40.92
and we've welshed with everyone.
00:38:40.95\00:38:42.72
I think this is the
time; it needs to be said
00:38:42.75\00:38:44.89
the way that Bible has said it.
00:38:44.92\00:38:47.36
Not try to put anything to
it, not make it more difficult,
00:38:47.39\00:38:49.66
just what God has said,
that's what he's looking for.
00:38:49.69\00:38:53.06
Man and women, boys and
girls today, that will say,
00:38:53.09\00:38:55.86
"Just like he
said it in the word."
00:38:55.90\00:38:58.37
This is the key to the blessings
00:38:58.40\00:39:00.47
that God is going
to give his church,
00:39:00.50\00:39:02.20
the blessings
God's gonna give 3ABN
00:39:02.24\00:39:04.34
the blessings God's gonna give
each one in their own ministry
00:39:04.37\00:39:07.21
and work for Him
around the world,
00:39:07.24\00:39:09.14
but you can't mince it.
00:39:09.18\00:39:10.51
You've got to say it the
way it says, and you say it
00:39:10.58\00:39:12.98
because, when I was
there at that meeting,
00:39:13.01\00:39:15.15
I just say, I said what I did,
because I loved the brother.
00:39:15.18\00:39:19.15
That's right.
00:39:19.19\00:39:20.52
I wanted 'cause I may
not have opportunity to hear
00:39:20.59\00:39:22.42
and I was asked.
00:39:22.46\00:39:23.79
It's not to try to hurt,
00:39:23.86\00:39:25.19
to try to down
play or hurt some.
00:39:25.23\00:39:26.56
It wasn't that.
00:39:26.59\00:39:27.93
An opportunity to
speak a word in due season.
00:39:27.96\00:39:30.67
And when you do, you know
00:39:30.70\00:39:32.40
that their blood
won't be on your hands,
00:39:32.43\00:39:33.97
you've done what
God has asked you to do.
00:39:34.04\00:39:36.07
And I'll tell you
He'll bless your socks off.
00:39:36.10\00:39:37.77
Yes, He will. Yes, He will.
00:39:37.81\00:39:39.14
Appreciate that, Pastor
John you menctioned about
00:39:39.17\00:39:41.54
Joseph Smith you know,
00:39:41.58\00:39:43.85
when Adventist church began
00:39:43.88\00:39:45.81
and was really its spiritual
doctrinal feet under itself,
00:39:45.85\00:39:50.42
in the middle of 1800s
00:39:50.49\00:39:51.82
you had a number
of churches that begin
00:39:51.85\00:39:53.36
all with a "prophetic" figure.
00:39:53.39\00:39:55.59
Right.
00:39:55.62\00:39:56.96
You know, although
there were many churches
00:39:57.03\00:39:58.36
and we could down a
list with all the churches
00:39:58.39\00:39:59.86
with this prophetic figure.
00:39:59.89\00:40:01.26
The last text, that
we haven't talked about
00:40:02.00\00:40:04.97
really is
Jeremiah 28:9, which says,
00:40:05.00\00:40:07.34
basically that when the things
00:40:07.40\00:40:08.74
comes to pass
and you should know.
00:40:08.77\00:40:10.11
That's one of the
text. That's right.
00:40:10.14\00:40:11.47
Not 90% of the predictions,
not 97.9% all of them.
00:40:11.51\00:40:15.71
Because, if it's a
prediction from the Lord,
00:40:15.74\00:40:17.85
then it's gonna happen.
00:40:17.88\00:40:19.21
There's no percentage rate
on that, it's all the time,
00:40:19.25\00:40:22.08
all truth all the time.
00:40:22.12\00:40:23.79
And of course, in
the Adventist church
00:40:23.85\00:40:25.95
we had the prophetic voice,
00:40:25.99\00:40:28.09
all though she never chose
to use that title for herself,
00:40:28.12\00:40:30.33
of Ellen White, she
was a guiding figure
00:40:30.39\00:40:33.36
we had, our first theologian
was of course Joseph Bates.
00:40:33.40\00:40:35.93
The architect of the
structure was James White.
00:40:35.96\00:40:38.53
But the spiritual leadership
passed through Ellen White,
00:40:38.57\00:40:41.97
and she didn't
give us our doctrines.
00:40:42.00\00:40:45.67
What happened was
we went to the word
00:40:45.71\00:40:47.51
and got our doctrine
00:40:47.54\00:40:48.88
and they were confirmed
by the prophetic voice.
00:40:48.91\00:40:50.48
But we didn't get our doctrinal
package from Ellen White.
00:40:50.51\00:40:53.45
She was just a guiding voice.
00:40:53.48\00:40:55.05
And one of the things you said,
Pastor John and Pastor Kenny,
00:40:55.08\00:40:57.32
was important, the
prophetic gift exists
00:40:57.35\00:41:00.26
to keep us on track and
working together, doesn't it?
00:41:00.29\00:41:03.29
Keep us pulling in the same way,
00:41:03.32\00:41:05.03
but sometime you got to get off,
00:41:05.06\00:41:06.39
you go in a closet
and you studied something
00:41:06.43\00:41:07.96
you come up preaching it,
it may or may not be right.
00:41:07.96\00:41:10.83
So one of the things
the prophetic voice does is
00:41:10.87\00:41:13.34
say, well, you know John,
00:41:13.40\00:41:14.74
maybe you need to
go back in a closet
00:41:14.77\00:41:16.10
and take a look at
that again and see what so.
00:41:16.14\00:41:17.61
It's one of the
things that keeps us pulling
00:41:17.64\00:41:19.34
in the same direction.
00:41:19.37\00:41:20.74
It's our-- It is our
architectural drawing
00:41:20.78\00:41:24.35
so we know were
this is all headed.
00:41:24.38\00:41:27.18
One of the things, I'm
glad you brought that out that
00:41:27.22\00:41:29.68
Ellen White believe that
the Bible was the standard
00:41:29.72\00:41:31.69
of all of her doctrines.
00:41:31.72\00:41:33.05
And many times in her writing,
she brought that point out.
00:41:33.09\00:41:35.82
One of those is in
the book she wrote called,
00:41:35.86\00:41:37.63
"Darkness before Dawn."
00:41:37.66\00:41:39.69
Under the subtitle
the Standard of Doctrine
00:41:39.73\00:41:41.46
she says and I'm quoting,
00:41:41.50\00:41:43.70
"God will have a
people upon the earth
00:41:43.73\00:41:46.43
to maintain the
Bible, and the Bible only,
00:41:46.47\00:41:50.44
as the standard of all doctrines
00:41:50.47\00:41:53.31
and the basis of all reforms."
00:41:53.34\00:41:55.64
Love it.
00:41:55.68\00:41:57.01
"The opinions of learned
men, the deductions of science,
00:41:57.08\00:42:00.98
the creeds or decisions
of ecclesiastical councils,
00:42:01.02\00:42:04.42
as numerous and
discordant as are the churches
00:42:04.45\00:42:09.76
which they represent,
the voice of the majority--
00:42:09.79\00:42:13.50
not one nor all of
these should be regarded
00:42:13.53\00:42:17.13
as evidence for or against
any point of religious faith."
00:42:17.17\00:42:22.44
And here's how she ends it.
00:42:22.47\00:42:23.81
"Before accepting
any doctrine or precept,
00:42:23.87\00:42:27.48
we should demand a plain
00:42:27.54\00:42:29.34
"Thus saith the Lord"
in its support of it."
00:42:29.38\00:42:31.65
Amen. Amen.
00:42:31.68\00:42:33.01
How could you read
that quote and say,
00:42:33.05\00:42:34.62
she developed
doctrines outside of the Bible.
00:42:34.65\00:42:36.52
Right, right.
00:42:36.55\00:42:37.89
And this is were the
several, several references
00:42:37.92\00:42:40.42
at least 20 different
places she says the Bible
00:42:40.46\00:42:43.12
and the Bible only
is the, and she says,
00:42:43.16\00:42:46.16
"Our creed" in other places,
00:42:46.19\00:42:48.36
"Our creed is the
Bible and the Bible only."
00:42:48.40\00:42:51.03
And here's the
another one she says,
00:42:51.07\00:42:52.83
"The Bible and the Bible only
has a rule of faith in duty.
00:42:52.87\00:42:55.17
Satan is still
working, through every means
00:42:55.20\00:42:57.54
which he can't control to
destroy religious liberty."
00:42:57.57\00:43:00.81
She established her liberty
of religion on the Bible only.
00:43:00.88\00:43:04.38
God gave us that.
00:43:04.41\00:43:05.75
He gave it to Adam
and Eve in the garden.
00:43:05.78\00:43:07.12
So we see today, whenever
we believe in the Sabbath.
00:43:07.15\00:43:10.19
Ellen White didn't give us a
Sabbath, that's in the Bible.
00:43:10.22\00:43:12.82
That's right. Very true.
00:43:12.85\00:43:15.52
Genesis 2:1-3,
00:43:15.56\00:43:17.53
when Lord blessed at
the end of creation week.
00:43:17.56\00:43:19.83
Ellen White did not give
us the belief of what happens
00:43:19.86\00:43:21.73
when you die.
00:43:21.76\00:43:23.10
That's in the Bible,
Ecclesiastes 9:5 and 6
00:43:23.13\00:43:25.07
to begin with
and so many others.
00:43:25.10\00:43:26.84
"The living know they will die,
00:43:26.90\00:43:28.24
but the dead
don't know anything."
00:43:28.27\00:43:30.01
She didn't give
us health reform,
00:43:30.07\00:43:32.17
that's in Genesis.
00:43:32.21\00:43:33.64
"The Lord gave Adam
and Eve the perfect diet."
00:43:33.68\00:43:36.24
And so for optimum heath today,
we see you can't take a cow
00:43:36.28\00:43:40.18
that's inflamed in
passion and scared to death,
00:43:40.22\00:43:43.75
driving on a
highway at 75 miles an hour
00:43:43.79\00:43:46.09
being carried
to a slaughterhouse
00:43:46.12\00:43:47.86
who's gonna be dissected
00:43:47.89\00:43:49.39
and cut into millions of pieces,
00:43:49.42\00:43:51.76
I'm over
exaggerating in many pieces,
00:43:51.79\00:43:54.40
then stuck in a
machine pressed out,
00:43:54.46\00:43:56.60
draining the
blood out if they can.
00:43:56.63\00:43:58.40
Stick them in a little hot dog
00:43:58.43\00:44:00.24
and stamp on it
USD acceptable to eat.
00:44:00.27\00:44:02.40
Mercy.
00:44:02.44\00:44:03.81
You can't put that stuff
in your body all the time,
00:44:03.84\00:44:05.31
and say that, even
though it's a clean meat,
00:44:05.34\00:44:07.58
you could be
healthier than the person
00:44:07.61\00:44:09.11
that eats the optimum diet.
00:44:09.14\00:44:11.08
And so one of the reasons
why National Geographic's
00:44:11.11\00:44:13.72
and government has
done a study over and over
00:44:13.75\00:44:16.89
on groups that
have the longest life
00:44:16.92\00:44:19.25
over and over Pastor C.A.
00:44:19.29\00:44:20.66
Every ten years they conclude,
the Seventh-day Adventists
00:44:20.69\00:44:23.53
live longer than any
other religious group
00:44:23.56\00:44:25.26
on the planet, why?
00:44:25.29\00:44:27.40
Because of their way
of life and their diet.
00:44:27.40\00:44:29.36
And so, Ellen
White simply said it
00:44:29.40\00:44:31.03
what's God's
word already revealed.
00:44:31.07\00:44:33.07
Let me give you a
chance to chime in.
00:44:33.10\00:44:34.54
Oh, I was just
thinking, you know,
00:44:34.57\00:44:36.07
he was just talking about
while ago about even with the,
00:44:36.10\00:44:39.17
to the degree,
some people say to me,
00:44:39.21\00:44:40.94
they'll say, well,
there's a degree of prophecy.
00:44:40.98\00:44:44.21
In other words, if we
talk about one is prophesying
00:44:44.25\00:44:46.88
and the other is for
edification of the church,
00:44:46.92\00:44:49.45
it's a lesser
degree than a prophet
00:44:49.48\00:44:51.95
is prophesying the
events that will take place.
00:44:51.99\00:44:54.26
The Bible nowhere
teaches at lesser degrees
00:44:54.29\00:44:58.33
for the prophetic gift.
00:44:58.36\00:44:59.69
That's right.
00:44:59.73\00:45:01.10
So, we have to look
at the Bible once again
00:45:01.13\00:45:02.46
and go back, it sets up
the standard what we know
00:45:02.50\00:45:04.83
and what we
understand and what we pass on.
00:45:04.87\00:45:06.97
Yeah, yeah.
00:45:07.04\00:45:08.37
We need not add or
subtract anything from it.
00:45:08.40\00:45:09.74
Very true, very true.
00:45:09.77\00:45:11.11
And one person can
exercise both gift.
00:45:11.14\00:45:14.18
Isaiah both gifts, Jeremiah
both gifts, Ezekiel both gifts.
00:45:14.21\00:45:17.38
You know, you had many men
00:45:17.45\00:45:18.88
who talked to the
people around them
00:45:18.91\00:45:21.58
but also in that
context prophesied
00:45:21.62\00:45:23.39
about things that
were going to come.
00:45:23.42\00:45:24.75
So the prophetic gift
encompasses both of them,
00:45:24.79\00:45:27.69
and of course Ellen
White did both of those things.
00:45:27.72\00:45:30.23
She spoke and she herself said,
"If we were reading or studying
00:45:30.26\00:45:34.76
the Bible like we should.
00:45:34.83\00:45:36.53
There you go.
00:45:36.56\00:45:37.90
My gift will be
rendered unnecessarily."
00:45:37.93\00:45:39.33
But we're not, so God
and it shows how desperate
00:45:39.37\00:45:43.87
I used that term God is
to save his church that,
00:45:43.91\00:45:46.54
He's given you His word.
00:45:46.57\00:45:48.18
You're neglecting the
word, so I'm gonna send you now
00:45:48.21\00:45:50.25
a prophet to help you
to get back to that word.
00:45:50.31\00:45:52.68
And that was her job
and she saw that as her job.
00:45:52.71\00:45:54.95
And some of the
things that she's written in,
00:45:54.98\00:45:56.65
I wish we had little
more time on this because
00:45:56.69\00:45:58.32
there is a
little book that called,
00:45:58.35\00:45:59.69
"Sciences versus
the Spirit of Prophecy."
00:45:59.72\00:46:02.02
That's the title of
the book, a pamphlet
00:46:02.06\00:46:03.86
and in it they
compared her findings in heath
00:46:03.89\00:46:07.03
with the findings that
were then available in her day.
00:46:07.03\00:46:11.30
For example: When
people didn't have a chance,
00:46:11.33\00:46:13.13
when they had
difficultly breathing,
00:46:13.17\00:46:14.87
in her day medicine
was being prescribed,
00:46:14.90\00:46:17.97
tobacco was being prescribed
to help a person breathe.
00:46:18.01\00:46:20.91
Yes, yes, yes.
00:46:20.98\00:46:22.31
And they went arsenic and
mercury was being injected
00:46:22.34\00:46:24.65
into the human body to
help them with ailments.
00:46:24.68\00:46:26.75
She made a statement long before
00:46:26.82\00:46:28.72
the sergeant general determined
00:46:28.75\00:46:31.55
that cigarette
smoking is dangerous.
00:46:31.59\00:46:33.25
She said, tobacco is a
slow and insidious poison
00:46:33.29\00:46:37.03
of the most
malignant kind today.
00:46:37.06\00:46:39.86
And in that book, what I
liked about it is doctors
00:46:39.89\00:46:42.70
began to register their findings
00:46:42.73\00:46:44.93
in their medical journals
00:46:44.97\00:46:46.30
against what she said
more than 100 years ago.
00:46:46.33\00:46:47.97
And they said, they
concluded, Paul Harvey said
00:46:48.00\00:46:50.81
in a Time Magazine article
lecture brought it with me.
00:46:50.87\00:46:53.44
He said, "This women was a
100 years ahead of her time."
00:46:53.48\00:46:57.51
A 100 years and if she
was right on so many fronts,
00:46:57.55\00:47:01.78
and he says so many
of the ones that he read.
00:47:01.82\00:47:04.12
What else could
she be write about?
00:47:04.15\00:47:05.49
Let me read one quote
from Dr. Florence statement,
00:47:05.52\00:47:08.62
a former professor of education
at Colombia University.
00:47:08.66\00:47:11.53
He said, "The books"
speaking about Ellen White,
00:47:11.56\00:47:15.90
"Her books contain
advance education concepts,
00:47:15.93\00:47:18.83
and was more than 50
years ahead of its time."
00:47:18.87\00:47:21.20
Dr. Clive McCay,
former professor of nutrition
00:47:21.24\00:47:23.91
at Cornell University
said of her writings on health,
00:47:23.94\00:47:26.68
"In spite of the fact
that the works of Mrs. White
00:47:26.71\00:47:29.18
were written
long before the advent
00:47:29.21\00:47:30.85
of modern scientific nutrition,
00:47:30.88\00:47:32.85
no better over-all
guide is available today.
00:47:32.88\00:47:36.45
A Newscaster Paul
Harvey said, speaking of her,
00:47:36.48\00:47:39.55
"She wrote with such
profound understanding
00:47:39.59\00:47:42.69
on the subjects of nutrition,
00:47:42.72\00:47:44.16
that all but two
of the many principles
00:47:44.23\00:47:47.13
she espouses have been
scientifically established."
00:47:47.20\00:47:50.43
In other words,
only two of those
00:47:50.47\00:47:52.57
they have not
found evidence for,
00:47:52.60\00:47:54.74
but it's been established
in the practice and use.
00:47:54.77\00:47:57.07
So in other
words, modern science
00:47:57.11\00:47:58.87
is yet to catch up
with two of the things
00:47:58.91\00:48:00.81
she's already said.
00:48:00.84\00:48:02.18
But almost everything else
she said has been authorized
00:48:02.21\00:48:05.35
in Desire of Ages by
the Library of Congress
00:48:05.38\00:48:08.05
as well as by the English
Master Piece Hall in London
00:48:08.08\00:48:12.19
has indicted that
the Desire of Ages
00:48:12.22\00:48:14.49
was the best book ever written
about the life of Christ.
00:48:14.52\00:48:17.46
That's in the United
States and in London.
00:48:17.49\00:48:20.46
Written by a person with
the third grade education.
00:48:20.53\00:48:22.43
Yeah, yeah.
00:48:22.46\00:48:23.80
And Pastor
Kenny, we realize that
00:48:23.87\00:48:25.57
there were some manifestations
in Ellen White's life
00:48:25.60\00:48:28.90
that let the church know
that she was called of God,
00:48:28.94\00:48:31.67
first of all
third grade education.
00:48:31.71\00:48:33.27
Try to go back to
school, never could.
00:48:33.31\00:48:35.68
Just couldn't finish
00:48:35.71\00:48:37.05
but one of the
most prolific writers
00:48:37.08\00:48:38.71
in the history of this country.
00:48:38.75\00:48:40.52
And on such a
wide variety of topics,
00:48:40.55\00:48:43.18
and so thorough
knowledge of her topics,
00:48:43.22\00:48:45.75
that knowledge had to
come from some place else,
00:48:45.79\00:48:48.09
from someone else.
00:48:48.12\00:48:49.46
Absolutely, because
again so far ahead of her day,
00:48:49.49\00:48:52.66
human being cannot do that.
00:48:52.69\00:48:54.30
But a person who is willing
that's who God looks for.
00:48:54.30\00:48:57.53
Here today, He's
looking for people
00:48:57.57\00:48:59.13
who are willing
to hear His voice,
00:48:59.17\00:49:00.77
to listen, to respond.
00:49:00.80\00:49:02.50
And I mentioned a while
ago, is to give the message
00:49:02.54\00:49:04.94
the way He gives it to us.
00:49:04.97\00:49:07.14
We have no right to water
it down, change it around,
00:49:07.21\00:49:09.44
and come in from
the different direction.
00:49:09.48\00:49:11.18
And so he's
looking again for people
00:49:11.21\00:49:12.81
who is willing to
give what He gives to them.
00:49:12.85\00:49:15.42
And I think,
what we're seeing is
00:49:15.45\00:49:16.95
there are people
who rising to the top.
00:49:17.02\00:49:19.12
That's going to be exercising
the gifts that God gives them,
00:49:19.15\00:49:22.22
I'm thankful for all the gifts.
00:49:22.26\00:49:24.26
We need all the gifts.
00:49:24.29\00:49:25.63
Every one of the gifts will be
in operation until Jesus comes.
00:49:25.66\00:49:28.56
That's right.
00:49:28.60\00:49:29.93
I've heard they say it,
some people say, "Oh, well,
00:49:29.96\00:49:32.20
Ellen White, she
never wrote in the Bible,
00:49:32.23\00:49:36.54
so she couldn't possibly be like
00:49:36.57\00:49:37.97
on the same plane or
level with other Bible..."
00:49:38.01\00:49:40.98
What do we know about that?
00:49:41.01\00:49:42.54
There's many in
scripture, including women,
00:49:42.58\00:49:45.98
who were prophet or prophetess
that never wrote in the Bible,
00:49:46.01\00:49:50.12
in the book of the Bible at all.
00:49:50.19\00:49:51.59
They were still
the mouthpiece of God,
00:49:51.62\00:49:54.16
they were still
the prophet of God,
00:49:54.19\00:49:55.52
they still did what
God asked them to do.
00:49:55.56\00:49:57.99
So, if someone's using that
little excuse out there today,
00:49:58.03\00:50:00.80
well, she didn't write in...
00:50:00.83\00:50:02.43
We'll throw that one back
out because the Bible will prove
00:50:02.46\00:50:06.03
that over and over if you
want to study those things.
00:50:06.07\00:50:08.77
And you know, we
don't have enough time,
00:50:08.80\00:50:10.17
but I want to
make a recommendation
00:50:10.21\00:50:11.54
to those watching or
listing to the program.
00:50:11.57\00:50:13.11
It's not possible, if you
want to do something one day
00:50:13.14\00:50:15.44
to just go ahead and
just examine for yourself,
00:50:15.48\00:50:17.65
maybe you've never
read anything she's written.
00:50:17.68\00:50:19.31
Start with the
books, "Steps to Christ",
00:50:19.35\00:50:20.88
and you'll discover
this small 13 chapter book,
00:50:20.92\00:50:23.45
maybe about 80 pages or so,
00:50:23.49\00:50:25.09
you'll discover there
is no more beautiful book
00:50:25.12\00:50:26.92
that you can ever read
about our need of Christ,
00:50:26.96\00:50:29.12
His love for mankind, salvation,
00:50:29.16\00:50:31.23
repentance,
forgiveness, confession
00:50:31.26\00:50:32.76
all those things that lead you
straight to clear understanding
00:50:32.79\00:50:35.60
that there is no way.
00:50:35.63\00:50:37.00
I'll tell you one quick story.
00:50:37.03\00:50:38.37
A Catholic lady
years ago who was married
00:50:38.40\00:50:40.17
to an Adventist,
who had left the church.
00:50:40.20\00:50:41.90
One day a guy had job
who was a Pentecostal,
00:50:41.94\00:50:44.94
gave her the
book Steps to Christ.
00:50:44.97\00:50:47.44
And he said, she
said, "Who wrote this book?"
00:50:47.51\00:50:51.11
He said, "A guy,
by the name of EGY."
00:50:51.15\00:50:53.78
A guy, by the name of EGY.
00:50:53.85\00:50:56.72
So this evening I
know the lady personally,
00:50:56.75\00:50:58.62
so this years ago she
says, so she's in the bathroom
00:50:58.65\00:51:00.86
taking a bath
and her husband said,
00:51:00.89\00:51:02.36
"What are you
doing in there so long?"
00:51:02.39\00:51:03.83
She said, "I'm reading this book
00:51:03.86\00:51:05.19
by this guy name EGY,
00:51:05.23\00:51:07.93
it's just amazing,
he had to be inspired."
00:51:07.96\00:51:10.93
And he said, "It
was rebuked to him,
00:51:10.97\00:51:12.43
because he had
left Adventist Church,
00:51:12.47\00:51:14.10
he loved the night life.
00:51:14.14\00:51:16.87
He didn't leave
because of false doctrines,
00:51:16.91\00:51:18.34
he went out of the
world to enjoy the night life.
00:51:18.37\00:51:20.34
He said, "His
wife was the reason
00:51:20.38\00:51:21.94
he came back to the church."
00:51:21.98\00:51:23.91
She continued
reading, the next book,
00:51:23.95\00:51:26.31
"Desire of Ages",
then "Great Controversy"
00:51:26.35\00:51:28.18
and she was one that
led him back to the Lord,
00:51:28.22\00:51:30.19
and years later they were strong
00:51:30.25\00:51:31.82
and winning souls to Christ.
00:51:31.85\00:51:33.22
And she began by a
book, by a "man" name EGY,
00:51:33.25\00:51:37.89
when in fact, did not
know was Ellen G. White.
00:51:37.93\00:51:40.26
So you got to read,
don't listen to the naysayers,
00:51:40.30\00:51:43.23
don't listen to the negative
00:51:43.30\00:51:44.63
because it's
always something negative.
00:51:44.67\00:51:46.00
I wish I had time to talk about
some of the things they said
00:51:46.03\00:51:47.57
she said that she didn't say.
00:51:47.60\00:51:48.94
But if you start
00:51:48.97\00:51:50.34
with Steps to
Christ and Desire of Ages,
00:51:50.37\00:51:51.71
you'll discover there's no way
anybody could write like that,
00:51:51.74\00:51:54.88
with the third grade education
and I'll be inspired by that.
00:51:54.91\00:51:57.91
What do you say, Pastor Kenny?
00:51:57.95\00:51:59.28
I'll say right now is
the Spirit of Prophecy
00:51:59.31\00:52:01.08
was giving, we
realized, it's coming
00:52:01.12\00:52:03.52
to the minds and
hearts of the people.
00:52:03.59\00:52:05.05
We look at it,
has to be and again,
00:52:05.09\00:52:06.89
you talk about
1260 years prophecy.
00:52:06.96\00:52:09.62
You know, you come
in to end to times 1798,
00:52:09.66\00:52:11.96
so you can't go on the 1844
00:52:11.99\00:52:14.30
that gift was
given for God's last day
00:52:14.30\00:52:16.87
New Testament
Church in operation.
00:52:16.93\00:52:19.63
And so if you go through all the
00:52:19.67\00:52:21.00
42 months and 1260
year period, you get to,
00:52:21.04\00:52:23.41
we are in the end of
time and the end of time
00:52:23.47\00:52:26.14
goes back to say,
00:52:26.17\00:52:27.54
the Spirit of Prophecy
operating in the church.
00:52:27.58\00:52:28.94
That's right. Amen, amen.
00:52:28.98\00:52:30.91
Well, we've come down
to just about another,
00:52:30.95\00:52:33.38
and we've got
little bit more time,
00:52:33.42\00:52:34.78
we're gonna go to a news break
and then we could come back
00:52:34.82\00:52:36.95
and pull a little bow
on this and wrap this up.
00:52:36.99\00:52:38.65
We'll be back in
just three minutes.
00:52:38.69\00:52:40.56