I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to
another 3ABN Today program.
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Thank you for joining us.
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And Dr. Yvonne Lewis,
thank you, for joining.
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Thank you for
having me. This program.
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This is gonna be a
great program today.
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I know I'm excited.
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And-- absolutely. I'm excited.
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Jesus said, "Go ye
unto all the world."
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And while we sometimes
think about and we should,
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going overseas
and going you know,
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to Russia and all
these different countries
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which we've, 3ABN has
done and to New Guinea,
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to Philippines and,
you know, around the world
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and going to Europe
and all these places.
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Sometimes we need to
think about home too, right.
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Absolutely.
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And there is a lot
of people around us
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that need to hear
about the Lord Jesus Christ
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and about His saving power.
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Yes.
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And today, we have some
folk that are in ministry
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and we're gonna
talk to these folk
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and see where they're from.
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Are you excited? I'm excited.
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I'm too. I'm ready.
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I have a feeling
you have some questions
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for the young lady, right?
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I do, I do. Okay, all right.
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We have Andy and
Naomi Weaver, right?
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All right. It's so
good to have you here.
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Thank you for
inviting us. It's a pleasure.
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And, now you all,
where are you from?
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I'm from North
Central Ohio. Okay.
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Now if I didn't know any better,
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I would think they were Amish
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because I have a
little background
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with the Amish
when I was a young kid.
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My family, my Uncle
Olands they had a lot of kids
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and had a lot of kids
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and my grandma
and grandpa Shelton,
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we would go up
in Northern Indiana
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and the summer times,
and we would pick tomatoes.
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So we lived with the
Amish, either in Amish houses
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and with no running water
and electricity and, Yvonne,
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we even lived in a
barn for time or two
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and we'd put
cardboard between us
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to partition off the families.
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And so we know a little
bit about Amish lifestyle
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and I have some Amish friends.
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Now, but you guys,
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almost dressed
and look like Amish.
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Are we just seeing
things or are you...
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No.
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Or you just you just very,
you dressed very conservative.
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No, we are
Amish. We grew up Amish.
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We grew up like this.
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Oh, okay. Very much like this.
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We just, well, we are
Seventh-day Adventist now.
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But I guess we
consider ourselves
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Amish Seventh-day Adventists.
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Okay.
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Is-- I'm under
impression that the Amish,
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that it's a religion, right?
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Is it a religion,
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is it a
culture, like what is it?
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I believe it
started out as a culture.
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But it has
definitely become a religion.
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Because they will shun you
if you don't hold the culture
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and you know, if shunning is,
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I mean, shunning
shouldn't be, have anything
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to do with culture only.
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So it's obviously
a religion by now.
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Okay, all right.
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What do the Amish believe in?
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What are some of the
tenants of the Amish faith?
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Well, their main, I mean,
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they believe
they are Christians.
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I mean, they believe in Jesus.
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But they very much believe
that is, Jesus plus Amish.
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If you are-- Jesus plus
however you are brought up,
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because if you
read in 2 Timothy 3:14
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I think, might be 3:16.
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Paul told-- wrote
to Timothy and he said
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that he told him to keep all--
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keep the things that he
was taught from his youth.
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And that is their gospel.
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I mean, that is
their Bible. Okay. Okay.
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That's how they
control their people you see.
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Well, may be the
Seventh-day it's the Sabbath
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but you are not taught like that
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and Paul teaches that.
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If you were not brought up
like that, you cannot change.
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Oh, wow.
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That's how they--
That is their whole big--
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So if you talk to the
Amish, if you show them truth,
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that's what-- that's
going to be their response.
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Well, you were not
brought up like that
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and that's what
they are referring to.
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I was always surprised
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because I do some
dealing with the Amish here,
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you know, we're in
a farming community
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and South Illinois,
it's a lot of country
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but I'm surprised how
much they really have changed
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since I was a kid
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and lived in Northern
Indiana on the summers.
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Portland area and
Redkey, little areas up there,
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how much they've changed
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while they still seem
very, very conservative.
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We use the term backwards.
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But you know, it
doesn't mean anything
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except it's not
like where we are.
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They live like you think
150 years ago or 200 years ago.
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I'm surprised that a
lot of them use batteries,
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they some of them can
use diesel engines like.
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People that I know,
they actually use diesel
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to run their
machines to do leather
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and all kinds of stuff.
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And I say, "Is that okay?"
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And they say,
"Well, yeah, it's okay."
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And I say, well, do
you-- I ask them now.
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They say, "We are
going to Wisconsin
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to see our relatives."
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And I say, "Oh, in this weather,
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that's probably tough
with your horse and buggy."
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You know what I
mean, and they'd say,
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"Well, we don't
use horse and buggy."
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I say, "Well, how
do you get to there?"
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And they say,
"Well, we rent a car
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and we have somebody take us."
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So I gave them a hard time
and I don't do this on purpose
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but then we are friends.
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So I say, "Well, let's
see, you can rent a car
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but you just can't own
one or you can't drive one?
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"Well, yeah." So I
say, "Well, how come?"
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"That's just the way it is."
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And that's the answer.
So it's very interesting.
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They just say,
that's the way it is.
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So it's really
deep in tradition.
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And we're gonna
find out a lot about that
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and we're gonna find out
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how you guys became
Seventh-day Adventists.
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And the work that you are
doing now is most amazing.
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And so it's
gonna be a great time.
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It's gonna be a fun
time, a learning time
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and realize that we
have people right here
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in our
communities all around us,
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not only those who are Amish
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but people who
don't know the Lord
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that we should be witnessing to.
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But different people
have different gifts.
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They are in different situations
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where you can
minister to other people,
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maybe better than someone else.
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That's right. So
that's your gift.
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Right now, speaking of gifts,
we have Pastor C.A. Murray.
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And Pastor C.A.
Murray has many gifts.
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He not only
preaches, but he sings.
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And so he's gonna be
singing for us right now.
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My faith has
found a resting place
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Not in a man-made creed
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I trust the ever-living One
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That He for me will plead
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I need no other evidence
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I need no other plea
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It is enough that Jesus died
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And rose again for me
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Enough for me that Jesus saves
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This ends my fear and doubt
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A sinful soul I come to Him
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He will not cast me out
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I need no other evidence
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I need no other plea
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It is enough that Jesus died
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And rose again for me
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The great
Physician heals the sick
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The lost He came to save
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For me His
precious blood He shed
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For me His life He gave
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I need no other evidence
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I need no other plea
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It is enough that Jesus died
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And rose again for me
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My soul is resting on His word
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The living word of God
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Salvation in my Savior's name
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Salvation through His blood
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I need no other evidence
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I need no other plea
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It is enough that Jesus died
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And rose again
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For me
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Amen. Thank
you, Pastor C.A. huh.
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Oh, yeah, amen.
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What a great song too.
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Pastor C.A.
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All right, well, we're here
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talking to Andy
and Naomi Weaver.
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And y'all from Ohio,
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which is known as Amish country.
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That's right.
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A lot of Amish folk
there in Ohio and Indiana,
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I know Southern
Illinois and I guess
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many places around the country,
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Wisconsin and so, if
you're just joining us,
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these folk, born
and raised Amish,
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someone gave them the message,
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well, the Bible message
and Seventh-day Adventist.
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We're gonna find out about that.
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And so you all become
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Seventh-day
Adventist Christians.
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Amen.
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And now you've been exposed
to a lot of the preachers
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and teachers and...
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That's right. Now 3ABN.
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Yeah.
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And on your phone
you can get it now
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with the app you know,
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so, we're looking forward
to see how all this goes.
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We want to talk to you about,
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okay, give us a little
bit about your backgrounds.
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Now you were
born and raised Amish
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and you are too, right?
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Yes.
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Okay, were you
from the same areas?
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Yes, we were not born
in the same neighborhood.
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But-- Okay.
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Both of our parents
moved to an Amish community
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that we ended up being neighbors
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and we went to school together.
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Okay.
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And there was
nothing romantic about it.
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I had no idea
what was gonna happen.
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But after we grew up,
we eventually got married.
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And my dad was a bishop
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and her dad was a
deacon in the church.
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Okay.
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So in the Amish, do they
help pick the wives and husbands
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or do they allow the Amish
young people to pick their own?
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No, you can choose your own
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as long as you stay
within the denomination
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'cause there is a lot of
different Amish denominations
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that it's like
Old Order, New Order
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and Swartzentruber and so on.
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So as long as you
stay within your circle,
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you can choose
your own pretty much.
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Now if you get a
really, you find a real bad girl
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and then your parents
might do their very best
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just like anybody else
would say, she's terrible.
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But they won't
stop, literally stop you.
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You can choose. Okay.
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You are giving us a real glimpse
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into the Amish
lifestyle which you know,
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which I know our viewers
would be really interested
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in sharing and finding out.
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When you are growing up, is it,
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you're very
insular, right, you're very--
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you stay within your own culture
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for everything.
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That's right.
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So there's not much interaction
outside of that culture.
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Well, you certainly
have your own culture.
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You have your own little world.
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You have your
own education system,
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you have your own church,
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you have your own dry
goods stores and everything.
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And so that's one of the things
that makes it really difficult
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to break away from it.
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Because you are
really losing everything
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and everything is at stake.
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Although, we did
interact with non-Amish a lot
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just like you know
local Amish, I mean.
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Sure.
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I mean, that's basically
how the Amish make their living
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as to the non-Amish people.
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How do you feel about, as Amish,
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someone like me
comes into your wood,
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you do wood working.
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I come into your shop
and I'll buy you something,
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how do you look at me?
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Do you look at this
person, because we're not Amish,
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obviously, do you say, wow,
these people are way out there.
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They don't know the Lord
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or they should
dress and act like us.
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They should be Amish.
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How do you--
how do you grown up,
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how do Amish people look at us?
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There is no one rule.
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Some Amish are very distant
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from what we know
as English people.
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When I talk about
English, that means non-Amish.
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So some Amish are
very uncomfortable
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with English people
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and then some of them are
obviously very comfortable
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with English people and believe
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that they are
gonna be in the kingdom,
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as long as you stay
where you are brought up,
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as Paul told Timothy.
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Okay.
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Keep the things
that you were told--
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Stay the way
you were brought up.
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So which is a
distortion of the Bible.
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But even the
leaders, they don't know,
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they don't honor
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they really think
that's what that is saying.
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So basically, they believe
if you are brought up English,
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then you should remain there,
you should be a Christian,
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you should go to church.
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If you were brought up Amish,
and then you should stay there.
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Although, they do
allow English people
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to come into the Amish church
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if they agree to
keep all the rules.
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But that seldom happens,
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especially, among
the conservative Amish.
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Now among some of
them are liberal Amish
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where they have less rules
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and they have a lot
more grey areas and then
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well, sometimes what
happens, you get an English boy
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that finds an Amish
girl at a restaurant,
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that works at a restaurant
and he just can't help it.
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I got to become Amish
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'cause I want this
girl and that happens.
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I just met a situation like that
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here a couple of months ago.
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Oh, really. I'm
like, well, you're gonna--
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You're getting into
yourself into something.
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You have no idea what
you're getting in, you know.
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That's right. So now
you all have children.
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Yes, we have seven children.
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Seven children?
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Seven and one on the
way? Yeah. I think...
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Oh, here we go. Look at this.
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There is pictures of it.
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Yeah. Look at that.
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The oldest one is...
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She is Mary and
she's ten years old.
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Ten years old. Wow.
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Yeah, we have a
beautiful family.
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Nothing like them, huh?
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No, nothing like
them. Yeah, we have seven.
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Looks like we're
gonna have eight.
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My grandmother
on my mother's side,
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she had 17 children
in less than 18 years.
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Oh, my, my.
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So I tell Naomi,
we're half way now.
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Yeah.
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Easy for him to say. Yeah.
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Yeah, easy for him to
say. My Aunt Milder had 12.
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My grandmother had,
I think she birthed 14.
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Yes. So that's quite a few.
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Wow. We weren't even Amish.
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Yeah.
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That's a lot of them.
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Yeah. Well, go ahead.
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I was gonna ask you, Naomi,
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what was it like
growing up as an Amish female?
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Are the-- what role do
women play in Amish culture?
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They help in the
house with house work
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and they also
help some on the farm
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depends on if they
are enough boys there.
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If there are plenty of boys
then women don't help as much.
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But they do help
other people quite a lot.
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If-- like if my
neighbor had a baby,
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they would come
to my mom and ask her
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for one of her girls
to help as a hired girl
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till the baby is about,
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well, that depends from
three to six weeks or so.
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So we did that a lot.
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I never did as much
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because I was
one of the youngest.
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And I guess the oldest
ones would say I was spoiled.
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I could stay home.
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But yeah, that's just kind of--
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they help out and
they teach school a lot.
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So the young girls help
with the raising the children?
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They even help the neighbors
in raising the children.
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They help out, yeah.
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Up until they are
21 years old. Yeah.
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Because in the English
world, when they turn 18,
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they're kind of on their own.
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In our circle it was 21.
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So we could,
like if we had a baby,
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we could go to an
Amish family that had girls
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and say can we
hire one of your girls
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and we can hire a
girl for $18 or $20 a week.
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And so it's just... Oh, okay.
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Yeah. Wow.
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So rules are very...
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Defined. Defined.
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That's the word I was
looking for, thank you.
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Rules are very defined
within the Amish community.
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So I would imagine
now, this is a really,
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probably a provocative question,
00:17:52.57\00:17:53.97
but divorce is
probably very low.
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No, it's unheard of.
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No, it just
really does not happen.
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Yeah, it's totally
not allowed in the Amish.
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Those are very
strong family structure
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within the community, isn't it?
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It doesn't mean that all the--
all the marriages are strong.
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They are not sometimes.
But you got to endure it.
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You promised,
you are enduring it.
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Yeah, the most.
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And in some cases what happens,
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one of the spouses would
just leave and not be Amish.
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And then of course,
the other one can't,
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you can't do anything about that
00:18:19.89\00:18:21.23
but she would
never get remarried.
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They never go to a divorce case.
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They would not sign a
divorce or anything period,
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under any circumstances.
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Wow.
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Wow, that's amazing. It is.
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So in the women, would you say,
the women have equal rights,
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like, are they--
do church services,
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there're all men, do the
men do all the church services?
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Do the men make the decisions
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as far as the
community is concerned
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as to if we are
liberal, if we are conservative
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or do women have
input in those, you know?
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I would say the men
have the lead on that.
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By far.
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Yeah, by far. Okay.
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You know, you never hear
an Amish woman preaching.
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'Cause they think
that is pretty far out..
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Yeah, they'll be
preaching about ourselves.
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Well, they do preach
sometimes but not in church.
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Things don't go well.
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Yeah, things don't go
well if they can preach, huh.
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So the policies and
things are made by men.
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Are women, and the
men, is education stressed
00:19:25.66\00:19:29.36
within the Amish community?
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That depends a whole
lot on the community.
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Some communities are
very much about education.
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But usually more
conservative Amish cultures,
00:19:36.44\00:19:38.91
or Amish denominations,
if you want to call that,
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education is not as
much stressed, not at all.
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But, you know, the
Amish, where we came up,
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it's not like the,
it's not like the guys,
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well, I guess, I
should let her say that.
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But it's not like some
people get the impression,
00:19:51.15\00:19:53.12
well, the ladies,
they just have to sit back
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and shut up and the
guys, the men do everything.
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But it's not really
the case. Is that the case?
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No, no, we get our chance too.
00:20:00.06\00:20:02.46
Now they, the Amish
totally believe that,
00:20:02.50\00:20:04.60
you know, a
woman should, you know,
00:20:04.63\00:20:06.43
the man is the
head of the house,
00:20:06.47\00:20:07.97
he has final decision
00:20:08.00\00:20:09.34
and he doesn't
always understand that,
00:20:09.37\00:20:11.71
you know, there's always guys
00:20:11.74\00:20:13.38
that will take
advantage of that position.
00:20:13.41\00:20:15.88
But they do
believe, they do teach that,
00:20:15.91\00:20:17.61
you know, the
lady has sometimes,
00:20:17.65\00:20:19.61
many times she
has a good opinion
00:20:19.65\00:20:21.58
and then that it should
be-- they should be listened to.
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Okay, all right.
00:20:24.65\00:20:26.39
That's great. What do you think?
00:20:26.42\00:20:27.76
Did that help you?
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It did. To find
that a little bit.
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It did. Okay.
00:20:30.53\00:20:31.86
You can really become Amish now.
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No.
00:20:33.26\00:20:34.60
Just the dress, we get her,
00:20:34.63\00:20:35.96
there is no way she's
gonna dress that way, right.
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I couldn't see her
dressing like that way
00:20:39.27\00:20:41.44
and probably a lot
of our folk around here.
00:20:41.47\00:20:43.91
But it's all in
what you get used to.
00:20:43.94\00:20:45.91
Exactly, exactly.
00:20:45.94\00:20:47.28
And so, you know, what
somebody looks as very good
00:20:47.31\00:20:51.35
and very nice.
00:20:51.38\00:20:53.15
We used say our son
to go meet in cloths,
00:20:53.18\00:20:55.65
it all is in the
eyes of the beholder.
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That's right. Right.
00:20:57.42\00:20:58.75
Now it's
Sabbath, go meet in cloths
00:20:58.79\00:21:00.22
but it's all in the
eyes of the beholder.
00:21:00.26\00:21:02.52
That's right.
00:21:02.56\00:21:03.89
Well, we want to a little bit,
00:21:03.93\00:21:05.26
because since I had
a lot of connections
00:21:05.29\00:21:07.20
with the Amish over the years
00:21:07.23\00:21:08.56
as far as reaching
them with the gospel,
00:21:08.60\00:21:11.23
they are not
usually open to that,
00:21:11.27\00:21:13.97
like I know some who've told me,
00:21:14.00\00:21:15.70
well, I'm not allowed to read,
you know, anything, I think.
00:21:15.74\00:21:19.94
But the Bible and the literature
00:21:19.97\00:21:21.54
that that are put
out by their church.
00:21:21.58\00:21:24.05
So we can't watch anything,
of course, on television.
00:21:24.08\00:21:28.48
We don't have
televisions or radios.
00:21:28.52\00:21:30.02
And I said, well,
what about YouTube
00:21:30.05\00:21:31.75
'cause I noticed sometimes
friends would come over
00:21:31.79\00:21:34.32
and they'd watch YouTube stuff.
00:21:34.36\00:21:36.16
But they said, well, we
can't own it, we don't do it.
00:21:36.19\00:21:38.73
But I talked to some of
them, of course, about the Lord,
00:21:38.76\00:21:41.16
I was surprised to
find out that I figured
00:21:41.20\00:21:44.17
that the religion part
played a lot bigger role
00:21:44.20\00:21:48.70
as far as the Bible goes.
00:21:48.74\00:21:51.01
But I've found out some
of the folks that I know,
00:21:51.04\00:21:53.27
know hardly any
scriptures in the Bible,
00:21:53.31\00:21:55.24
when I quoted John 3:16
00:21:55.28\00:21:57.91
to a very wonderful
Amish friend of mine
00:21:57.95\00:22:00.48
and he just looked at me.
00:22:00.52\00:22:01.85
I said, of
course, you know John 3:16
00:22:01.88\00:22:03.69
and he's like well,
we kind of leave that up
00:22:03.72\00:22:05.05
to the elders
and we go to church.
00:22:05.09\00:22:07.36
Now something is
very interesting.
00:22:07.39\00:22:09.09
I don't know if
you are aware of this,
00:22:09.12\00:22:10.83
most Amish have what, you
and I might call an accent
00:22:10.86\00:22:14.96
though they are born
and raised here in America.
00:22:15.00\00:22:17.60
And he probably can tell us why.
00:22:17.63\00:22:20.57
Because they don't
just speak English.
00:22:20.60\00:22:22.44
That's right.
00:22:22.47\00:22:23.81
Yes, I mean, our
primary language is,
00:22:23.84\00:22:25.87
our main language
is Pennsylvanian Dutch.
00:22:25.91\00:22:28.64
Yeah.
00:22:28.68\00:22:30.01
And then, of
course, we go to school
00:22:30.05\00:22:31.71
to learn the English language
00:22:31.75\00:22:33.48
and also the German
language 'cause our Bibles
00:22:33.52\00:22:35.55
are the Martin
Luther German Bibles.
00:22:35.58\00:22:38.55
And the Amish would
strictly read the German Bibles.
00:22:38.59\00:22:40.92
Now I say strictly,
00:22:40.96\00:22:42.72
and there is
the modern liberals,
00:22:42.76\00:22:44.09
they would allow
you to read there
00:22:44.13\00:22:45.83
like the English versions also,
00:22:45.86\00:22:47.23
especially, the
King James Version.
00:22:47.26\00:22:49.83
And then so yeah,
00:22:49.86\00:22:51.37
if you talk to an
Amish person in English,
00:22:51.40\00:22:54.74
you would notice that
his accent is different
00:22:54.77\00:22:56.71
and that is because
00:22:56.74\00:22:58.07
it's not his primary language.
00:22:58.11\00:22:59.44
I mean, it's kind
of a bend over from--
00:22:59.47\00:23:01.84
if you want to see it that way
from the Pennsylvanian Dutch.
00:23:01.88\00:23:06.08
So they are raised speaking
Dutch in the house, right?
00:23:06.11\00:23:09.05
That's right. And in church.
00:23:09.08\00:23:10.82
That's right.
Preaching in Dutch.
00:23:10.85\00:23:12.62
It's German.
00:23:12.65\00:23:13.99
German, I'm sorry,
00:23:14.02\00:23:15.36
and then the
children learn the language...
00:23:15.39\00:23:18.96
Dutch. Basically Dutch.
00:23:18.99\00:23:21.03
Yeah, and English comes second?
00:23:21.06\00:23:23.60
Yes, probably
second and then that
00:23:23.63\00:23:26.07
and German kind
of comes together
00:23:26.10\00:23:27.44
'cause they go, they,
yeah, English would be first
00:23:27.47\00:23:30.17
because it's in the later grades
00:23:30.21\00:23:32.17
that they learn the
German language for the--
00:23:32.21\00:23:33.91
because of the Bible.
00:23:33.94\00:23:35.28
So that happens and I noticed
00:23:35.31\00:23:37.21
that like on
some of these friends,
00:23:37.25\00:23:38.81
I told one of them,
they had several babies
00:23:38.85\00:23:41.42
since they get older
so there's little one
00:23:41.45\00:23:43.08
and I said, I said
that a cute little girl
00:23:43.12\00:23:45.32
and they said, that's a boy.
00:23:45.35\00:23:47.06
And I said, but
he's wearing a dress.
00:23:47.09\00:23:48.42
I said, the boy
is wearing a dress.
00:23:48.46\00:23:49.89
And they said, yes,
00:23:49.92\00:23:51.26
they wear
dresses the first year.
00:23:51.29\00:23:53.06
So what's-- Is there
a reason behind that?
00:23:53.09\00:23:55.06
Yes, there is.
00:23:55.10\00:23:56.43
You know, we,
that's very interesting.
00:23:56.46\00:23:57.80
We were in Battle Creek,
Michigan, here a few weeks ago
00:23:57.83\00:24:00.07
and they were
showing when taking us
00:24:00.10\00:24:02.10
through the Ellen White house
00:24:02.14\00:24:03.71
and they said, and
they pointed that out.
00:24:03.74\00:24:05.87
They said, for some
reason back then, they--
00:24:05.91\00:24:08.58
the little boys wore dresses
00:24:08.61\00:24:09.94
until they were
about two years old.
00:24:09.98\00:24:11.31
"But it's a mystery?" "Why?"
00:24:11.35\00:24:12.68
And I said, "Well, we know
why because we still do it."
00:24:12.71\00:24:15.28
It's just because
it makes it easier
00:24:15.32\00:24:16.69
to change the
diapers and everything.
00:24:16.72\00:24:18.55
Oh.
00:24:18.59\00:24:21.29
But if you know
it, the boys, they,
00:24:21.32\00:24:25.09
the girls wear head
coverings and the boys don't.
00:24:25.13\00:24:29.06
So that's one way you can decide
00:24:29.10\00:24:31.93
if it's a boy or a girl.
00:24:31.97\00:24:33.47
And also, the boys
have their hairs cut
00:24:33.50\00:24:35.54
and the girls don't.
00:24:35.57\00:24:36.91
But sometimes if they
don't have a lot of hair,
00:24:36.94\00:24:38.37
then it doesn't really show up.
00:24:38.41\00:24:39.74
Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:39.77\00:24:41.11
So let me ask you,
00:24:41.14\00:24:42.48
so when you
have these different,
00:24:42.51\00:24:44.05
you've mentioned
liberal, more liberal Amish
00:24:44.08\00:24:48.58
and more conservative,
00:24:48.62\00:24:50.32
does everybody co-exist
00:24:50.35\00:24:51.99
or do you have a liberal
sect over here in one state
00:24:52.02\00:24:55.72
and a more conservative
00:24:55.76\00:24:58.09
or are you all
together in one place?
00:24:58.13\00:25:01.60
The Amish try, for the most part
00:25:01.63\00:25:02.96
they try to have, you
know, they have a one,
00:25:03.00\00:25:06.07
they call it settlement.
00:25:06.10\00:25:07.44
One settlement of--
they are more liberal like,
00:25:07.47\00:25:09.77
they might be New
Order or Old Order
00:25:09.80\00:25:12.81
and then the Swartzentrubers,
00:25:12.84\00:25:15.11
I mean, if they want to
settle in that general area,
00:25:15.14\00:25:17.11
they will stay away of
a certain amount of miles
00:25:17.15\00:25:19.71
and they have like a highway
that will divide their ware.
00:25:19.75\00:25:23.02
But what happens
frequently in the Amish
00:25:23.05\00:25:25.85
is the church will split
00:25:25.89\00:25:27.66
because there's just
like any other church,
00:25:27.69\00:25:29.52
there's always
conservatives and liberals
00:25:29.56\00:25:31.19
that we see in every church.
00:25:31.23\00:25:33.09
And so sometimes and
this happens quite often
00:25:33.13\00:25:36.23
anymore is they
split and then you have
00:25:36.26\00:25:40.10
the two different denominations
within the settlement.
00:25:40.14\00:25:42.50
And in our situation,
00:25:42.54\00:25:43.87
it's three
different denominations.
00:25:43.91\00:25:45.51
And so you end up
with more and more,
00:25:45.54\00:25:47.34
you go to a what is
known as Amish country in Ohio,
00:25:47.38\00:25:49.94
it might have 12
different denominations
00:25:49.98\00:25:51.85
or many different denominations.
00:25:51.88\00:25:53.35
But we really
can't control that.
00:25:53.38\00:25:55.05
And usually there's a
lot of tension when that--
00:25:55.08\00:25:57.52
tremendous amount of tension.
00:25:57.55\00:25:58.89
I went through
that twice growing up
00:25:58.92\00:26:00.26
with my dad being a bishop.
00:26:00.29\00:26:01.76
And there's a lot of tension
00:26:01.79\00:26:05.09
but that
eventually kind of dies down
00:26:05.13\00:26:06.70
and they
continue having schooled.
00:26:06.73\00:26:08.73
They have the schools
together and everything.
00:26:08.76\00:26:10.67
But they wouldn't, you know,
00:26:10.70\00:26:12.03
they cannot
share church like any--
00:26:12.07\00:26:14.00
what goes on in a church
or church rules and stuff.
00:26:14.04\00:26:15.60
Good.
00:26:15.64\00:26:16.97
What we want to ask you,
00:26:17.01\00:26:18.51
we really want to
center in on this,
00:26:18.54\00:26:20.71
you, of course,
being born and raised,
00:26:20.74\00:26:23.58
never changing,
you know, tradition.
00:26:23.61\00:26:28.08
But some how
someone reached you.
00:26:28.12\00:26:30.29
That's right.
00:26:30.32\00:26:31.65
If your mind because a
lot of other folk I know,
00:26:31.69\00:26:34.46
they are not open.
00:26:34.49\00:26:35.82
Apparently, your mind was
open why something reached you.
00:26:35.86\00:26:39.79
Tell us somebody
came into your shop,
00:26:39.83\00:26:42.26
you met
somebody in the community
00:26:42.30\00:26:45.43
that was able to
become friends with you,
00:26:45.47\00:26:47.60
was able to present
you with what they feel
00:26:47.64\00:26:50.11
was Bible truth
and you accepted.
00:26:50.14\00:26:53.14
Why? Well,
that's a good question.
00:26:53.17\00:26:56.04
I would say that I
was not open at one time
00:26:56.08\00:26:59.31
because I totally
believed the Amish religion.
00:26:59.35\00:27:01.78
I totally believed
everything and I was--
00:27:01.82\00:27:03.92
I didn't and I
believed that if you left it,
00:27:03.95\00:27:06.99
you're gonna be
tortured for eternity.
00:27:07.02\00:27:09.12
And you just don't dare
even think about leaving.
00:27:09.16\00:27:12.13
But the one thing that I could
00:27:12.16\00:27:14.30
I will have to say about myself
00:27:14.33\00:27:15.66
is I wanted to do what's right.
00:27:15.70\00:27:17.23
I wanted what's
right and God knew that.
00:27:17.27\00:27:18.70
Sure.
00:27:18.73\00:27:20.07
And I-- as a result, I
heard about the Dark Ages
00:27:20.10\00:27:25.37
and people being
martyred for their faith
00:27:25.41\00:27:26.98
and so I went and I
bought myself a book.
00:27:27.01\00:27:30.31
It's called the
Martyr the "Martyrs Mirror."
00:27:30.35\00:27:32.15
It's like, kind of like
the "Foxe's Book of Martyrs."
00:27:32.18\00:27:34.38
And I read it
and it just shattered
00:27:34.42\00:27:37.42
the whole
foundation out of under me,
00:27:37.45\00:27:39.62
as far as being
the Amish religion.
00:27:39.65\00:27:41.62
Really? Why?
00:27:41.66\00:27:43.02
Because the same
arguments they had.
00:27:43.06\00:27:45.66
'Cause some of the were
the same arguments that we,
00:27:45.69\00:27:47.36
the things that we told
people that left our church,
00:27:47.40\00:27:50.63
the Catholic church
00:27:50.67\00:27:52.00
told the people
that left their church.
00:27:52.03\00:27:53.50
Like we had a
controversy over brown shoes,
00:27:53.54\00:27:56.27
they shouldn't be
brown, they got be black.
00:27:56.30\00:27:58.24
I found the same argument
in the "Martyrs Mirror."
00:27:58.27\00:28:01.14
And I found all these seem,
like we had the big argument,
00:28:01.18\00:28:04.05
you should not use
your everyday language at--
00:28:04.08\00:28:06.45
in church services.
00:28:06.48\00:28:07.92
German is known in
the Amish community
00:28:07.95\00:28:10.29
as a sacred language.
00:28:10.32\00:28:12.05
That should be
in church services,
00:28:12.09\00:28:14.19
that should be a
different language
00:28:14.22\00:28:15.56
because it's sacred.
00:28:15.59\00:28:17.13
And so that was also
going on in the Dark Ages
00:28:17.16\00:28:20.70
and those that who
had left that we admired,
00:28:20.73\00:28:24.07
had the same argument.
00:28:24.10\00:28:25.43
They said, no you should
have your everyday language.
00:28:25.47\00:28:27.27
So that the people
can understand the gospel.
00:28:27.30\00:28:30.54
And so it just-- I
just-- I couldn't believe it
00:28:30.57\00:28:32.37
and I thought wow,
this is, this is bad news.
00:28:32.41\00:28:35.24
Something, something is
wrong so my big, I just--
00:28:35.28\00:28:38.48
I just started
talking to my dad,
00:28:38.51\00:28:39.85
which was the senior bishop
of this certain denomination.
00:28:39.88\00:28:42.92
And I told him
and I said, you know,
00:28:42.95\00:28:44.29
we need to really
step up the plate.
00:28:44.32\00:28:45.72
We need to make possible
00:28:45.75\00:28:47.96
for our young folks
to understand the gospel.
00:28:47.99\00:28:49.66
I said, we don't
even know, our young folks
00:28:49.69\00:28:51.79
don't even know why Jesus died.
00:28:51.83\00:28:53.40
They don't, it's
just like a fairy tale.
00:28:53.43\00:28:55.80
And he was obviously
very upset about that.
00:28:55.83\00:28:58.67
He thought, well,
you're just way out there
00:28:58.70\00:29:00.40
and there is no way we can talk
in our own everyday language.
00:29:00.44\00:29:05.47
That's natural minded.
00:29:05.51\00:29:06.94
And the other thing that I
saw in the-- in our culture
00:29:06.98\00:29:10.08
we had to confess
our if we-- our sins,
00:29:10.11\00:29:13.35
if we want to call it sins,
00:29:13.38\00:29:14.88
keeping the church
rules, we had to confess it
00:29:14.92\00:29:17.32
to the preachers and the bishop
or the layman, sorry deacon
00:29:17.35\00:29:20.46
and then they will
tell the whole church
00:29:20.49\00:29:22.32
and then, yeah, and
then the church will decide
00:29:22.36\00:29:24.93
whether you are forgiven or not.
00:29:24.96\00:29:26.29
Oh. Wow.
00:29:26.33\00:29:27.66
Well, guess what, I came across
that in the "Martyrs Mirror."
00:29:27.70\00:29:30.37
Yeah, you did.
00:29:30.40\00:29:31.73
People were very, they
were very opposed to that
00:29:31.77\00:29:34.24
and all of this
just, I was so confused.
00:29:34.27\00:29:36.60
It wasn't funny.
00:29:36.64\00:29:37.97
So I started
following a ministry,
00:29:38.01\00:29:40.01
a Baptist
ministry out at Tennessee
00:29:40.04\00:29:42.38
and it was a lot more light.
00:29:42.41\00:29:43.75
I was sure I found the truth.
00:29:43.78\00:29:45.48
I thought, well, I just
gonna bring this into the Amish
00:29:45.51\00:29:49.48
and just show the
Amish more light and will--
00:29:49.52\00:29:51.79
And my big thing
was we need to reform.
00:29:51.82\00:29:56.66
I just, I did not have
00:29:56.69\00:29:58.29
any intensions to
leave the Amish church.
00:29:58.33\00:29:59.73
I just want to bring
light in and reform it and--
00:29:59.76\00:30:02.63
But the devil was against
me. It was quite obvious.
00:30:02.66\00:30:05.90
But... Naomi, how about you?
00:30:05.93\00:30:07.57
How did you feel about him?
00:30:07.60\00:30:09.20
He's kind of a renegade, I mean,
00:30:09.24\00:30:10.61
you know, we use that term.
00:30:10.64\00:30:12.01
He's out there a
little bit, I mean,
00:30:12.04\00:30:14.01
did this-- your
family or did you say,
00:30:14.04\00:30:17.38
you know, hey, hey,
00:30:17.41\00:30:19.18
Andy, we got a-- you
know, you need to relax.
00:30:19.21\00:30:21.92
Actually, I think I kind
of mentioned that to him,
00:30:24.09\00:30:27.32
why don't we just kind of
slow down and take it easy.
00:30:27.36\00:30:30.23
I had the impression--
Right, I thought she might--
00:30:30.26\00:30:32.29
I had to impress for sure,
whether she said it or not.
00:30:32.33\00:30:35.66
Well, I wasn't so much
of a reader that he was.
00:30:35.70\00:30:38.73
Okay.
00:30:38.77\00:30:40.10
And I didn't have the time
to read because of all the kids.
00:30:40.14\00:30:43.00
Okay.
00:30:43.04\00:30:44.37
And-- but he
read most of the time
00:30:44.41\00:30:46.31
and kind of told
me what he is reading
00:30:46.34\00:30:48.24
and what it is talking about.
00:30:48.28\00:30:50.91
And it made sense to me
00:30:50.95\00:30:53.42
but I tried to
ignore it as far as I could.
00:30:53.45\00:30:56.05
I knew this is gonna be a big...
00:30:56.08\00:30:59.49
Big problem in the church.
00:30:59.52\00:31:03.29
Eventually I couldn't do
anything except just follow it
00:31:03.32\00:31:07.03
and accept it in
whatever Christ has for us.
00:31:07.06\00:31:09.70
Okay, wonderful.
00:31:09.73\00:31:11.20
So you've received the Baptist,
00:31:11.23\00:31:13.13
you started reading
some of their literature.
00:31:13.17\00:31:15.24
That's right.
00:31:15.27\00:31:16.60
Then at some point you
must have said, okay, I'm open.
00:31:16.64\00:31:18.77
The Lord knew that. So
who did He send you away?
00:31:18.81\00:31:21.28
Well, he sent a person
that moved in our community.
00:31:21.31\00:31:24.41
He was a Seventh-day Adventist.
00:31:24.45\00:31:25.98
And the one thing
that I was very interested
00:31:26.01\00:31:28.25
was the mark of the beast.
00:31:28.28\00:31:29.68
I was desperate.
00:31:29.72\00:31:31.05
I wanted to know
what that mark is because
00:31:31.09\00:31:32.42
I was just beside myself,
00:31:32.45\00:31:33.82
what if one of my
children turns sick
00:31:33.86\00:31:35.96
and we end up in the hospital
00:31:35.99\00:31:37.39
and they inject
this computer chip
00:31:37.43\00:31:40.83
an she'll be tortured
for all eternity for it.
00:31:40.86\00:31:43.06
And without our
control and I was a seeker.
00:31:43.10\00:31:46.13
And so I bought this commentary
from this Baptist person
00:31:46.17\00:31:50.14
on the Book of Revelation
'cause I wanted to know
00:31:50.17\00:31:53.58
and then as I
came to the end of--
00:31:53.61\00:31:55.64
I went straight
to Revelation 13.
00:31:55.68\00:31:57.78
And it was a mystery.
He didn't know what it was.
00:31:57.81\00:32:00.08
He believed it was some
political and literal figure
00:32:00.12\00:32:02.72
and it was-- and I thought wow,
00:32:02.75\00:32:05.12
I guess that we just don't know.
00:32:05.15\00:32:07.06
But then my Adventist
friend shared literature with me
00:32:07.09\00:32:10.73
from White Horse
Media, which is a little book
00:32:10.76\00:32:12.99
from Steve Wohlberg.
00:32:13.03\00:32:14.36
Yes.
00:32:14.40\00:32:15.73
Which it says, I think it's
00:32:15.76\00:32:17.37
decoding the mark of
the beast or something, 666.
00:32:17.40\00:32:19.30
Okay, all right.
00:32:19.33\00:32:20.67
And that little
booklet is great.
00:32:20.70\00:32:22.04
Every Amish family in
the world needs that booklet
00:32:22.07\00:32:24.77
because the Amish are
very, they are very worried
00:32:24.81\00:32:28.04
and concerned about
the mark of the beast.
00:32:28.08\00:32:29.64
And the thing was
that it's a little booklet,
00:32:29.68\00:32:31.45
it's not a big book.
00:32:31.48\00:32:32.91
You can sit and-- you
can read it in one sitting
00:32:32.95\00:32:35.32
and you know it,
whether you like it or not,
00:32:35.35\00:32:37.02
you just know it.
00:32:37.05\00:32:38.39
It's right out of the Bible
and so I read that and also,
00:32:38.42\00:32:43.86
like a commentary on
Daniel and Revelation
00:32:43.89\00:32:45.76
from Amazing Facts.
00:32:45.79\00:32:48.00
And then he gave me the
"Spirit of Prophecy" books
00:32:48.03\00:32:50.23
as well, of course.
00:32:50.27\00:32:51.60
And I mean, there was
no question in my mind,
00:32:51.63\00:32:54.77
we found the truth.
00:32:54.80\00:32:56.44
But this kind of took on
for a while and eventually.
00:32:56.47\00:32:58.81
And who was this? How
did you meet this person?
00:32:58.84\00:33:01.18
He moved in, this person
moved in a home that an atheist
00:33:01.21\00:33:06.95
used to live that I
used to work for growing up.
00:33:06.98\00:33:08.68
Okay.
00:33:08.72\00:33:10.05
And that's where I
got hung up with coffee
00:33:10.09\00:33:11.65
and all kinds of bad habits.
00:33:11.69\00:33:14.46
And he moved in and
I heard he was vegan
00:33:14.49\00:33:16.32
and I thought well,
that is strange to be vegan
00:33:16.36\00:33:18.93
and do any work.
00:33:18.96\00:33:21.90
And you got to have that protein
00:33:21.93\00:33:23.70
and so I met him and
I couldn't believe it.
00:33:23.73\00:33:26.47
He looked so
healthy. I was just awestruck.
00:33:26.50\00:33:28.04
What's his name?
00:33:28.07\00:33:29.40
Phil Haykin. His
name is Phil Haykin.
00:33:29.44\00:33:30.87
Okay, all right.
00:33:30.91\00:33:32.44
And so he shared
some literature with us
00:33:32.47\00:33:36.54
and after a while,
00:33:36.58\00:33:39.65
we realized that this
is gonna cost way too much.
00:33:39.68\00:33:42.45
We have, I mean, in
order to follow this
00:33:42.48\00:33:44.45
and we knew for a fact, I
mean, who else believes that
00:33:44.49\00:33:47.69
"all scripture is profitable
for doctrine, for reprove,
00:33:47.72\00:33:51.09
for correction and
instruction in righteousness."
00:33:51.13\00:33:53.23
That is a big
mouthful from Paul.
00:33:53.26\00:33:55.26
From Genesis to Revelation,
nobody else believes it.
00:33:55.30\00:33:57.63
We tried every religion,
00:33:57.67\00:33:59.13
I mean, we didn't
want to be Sabbath,
00:33:59.17\00:34:01.60
Saturday
keepers, that's strange.
00:34:01.64\00:34:03.34
That's awkward.
00:34:03.37\00:34:04.71
We wanted to be Sunday keepers.
00:34:04.74\00:34:06.07
We wanted to be
politically correct.
00:34:06.11\00:34:07.94
But we had no choice
and who else believes that,
00:34:07.98\00:34:10.15
you know, we should
go into all the world,
00:34:10.18\00:34:12.51
everybody, but to
teach, everybody to observe,
00:34:12.55\00:34:16.38
everything that
Jesus taught us, nobody.
00:34:16.42\00:34:18.72
And it was, I'm not
saying that in an unkind way
00:34:18.75\00:34:20.76
but that was it
just-- it's just a fact
00:34:20.79\00:34:24.76
and so eventually,
00:34:24.79\00:34:27.46
we just took all our books
00:34:27.50\00:34:28.83
and we burned
them at the weekend.
00:34:28.86\00:34:30.20
Oh, really?
00:34:30.23\00:34:31.57
Yeah, because we
can't give, you know,
00:34:31.60\00:34:32.93
everything is at
stake, our education,
00:34:32.97\00:34:34.70
our every-- our
whole world is at stake.
00:34:34.74\00:34:37.24
And-- but we couldn't rest.
00:34:37.27\00:34:39.57
I mean, we were,
we were miserable.
00:34:39.61\00:34:42.18
And eventually we just decided.
00:34:42.21\00:34:48.52
Well, one day I
was so miserable.
00:34:48.55\00:34:50.32
I couldn't work.
00:34:50.35\00:34:51.69
I was in my
workshop and I got this book,
00:34:51.72\00:34:54.36
"Great Controversy"
and I started reading
00:34:54.39\00:34:56.36
and it was talking about--
00:34:56.39\00:34:59.33
and this book by the way,
was thrown away in the barn
00:34:59.36\00:35:02.46
and I forgot that it was there
and I remembered it that day
00:35:02.50\00:35:04.97
when I needed it and
it was all the answers,
00:35:05.00\00:35:06.84
all the questions that I had,
the answers were right there.
00:35:06.87\00:35:08.57
It was like God talking to me.
00:35:08.60\00:35:10.17
And I just made up my mind
00:35:10.21\00:35:11.57
and I'm gonna follow
the truth, life or death.
00:35:11.61\00:35:13.48
If my wife wants to
follow it, she can follow it.
00:35:13.51\00:35:15.41
If not, I will
follow it because...
00:35:15.44\00:35:17.71
I think we're
hearing somebody come in.
00:35:17.75\00:35:19.75
I think you got
one of the babies here.
00:35:19.78\00:35:22.25
He wants to see momma, I
think we should bring momma.
00:35:22.28\00:35:25.19
Bring him over
here to see momma.
00:35:25.22\00:35:26.55
Oh, that's great.
00:35:26.59\00:35:27.92
Come over here, let's see momma.
00:35:27.96\00:35:29.29
He's supposed to
be sleeping but...
00:35:29.32\00:35:30.66
Yeah, that's all right.
00:35:30.69\00:35:32.03
You know, this is family time.
00:35:32.06\00:35:33.40
You want to get there.
00:35:33.43\00:35:34.76
He's gonna go
right over to momma.
00:35:34.80\00:35:36.13
Now where is my mommy?
00:35:36.16\00:35:37.50
There you go buddy...
00:35:37.53\00:35:39.60
There you go.
00:35:39.63\00:35:41.27
You see, he stopped crying.
00:35:41.30\00:35:43.00
Yeah, there you go.
00:35:43.04\00:35:44.37
Well, he has an
unlimited amount of energy.
00:35:44.41\00:35:48.08
It's a good thing, I
say, it's a good thing
00:35:48.11\00:35:49.54
we own 54 acres.
00:35:49.58\00:35:51.15
Absolutely, well, he woke
up, and was wanted to see momma.
00:35:54.15\00:35:57.95
So anyway, we go
back to your story.
00:35:57.99\00:36:00.42
So you burned the
other, the literature.
00:36:00.46\00:36:03.16
You felt like
when you read this,
00:36:03.19\00:36:05.19
you didn't really want to
be a Seventh-day Adventist,
00:36:05.23\00:36:08.13
but you felt you had to be.
00:36:08.16\00:36:09.93
Yeah, I wanted the truth 'cause
I always admired the people
00:36:09.96\00:36:14.37
in the Bible like
Elijah stood up for,
00:36:14.40\00:36:16.20
I mean, it was so
politically incorrect,
00:36:16.24\00:36:18.14
it wasn't funny,
they just stood up for God
00:36:18.17\00:36:20.14
and I always
wanted to be like that.
00:36:20.18\00:36:23.01
And I knew I found it
and so it just cost so much
00:36:23.04\00:36:25.88
more than I thought it would.
00:36:25.91\00:36:27.95
What was your dad's
reaction as a bishop?
00:36:27.98\00:36:30.45
What was his
reaction when you told him
00:36:30.49\00:36:32.55
about the truth
that you were seeking?
00:36:32.59\00:36:34.46
He was very much humiliated
and I felt sorry for him
00:36:34.49\00:36:37.03
because in his position,
that was very humiliating
00:36:37.06\00:36:39.69
'cause I had a very good
relationship with my dada.
00:36:39.73\00:36:42.03
His name is, he
is Andy Weaver Sr.
00:36:42.06\00:36:43.90
and I'm Andy Weaver Jr.
00:36:43.93\00:36:45.73
And we had a good
relationship and yeah,
00:36:45.77\00:36:47.97
he was very upset about
it but he's come a long ways.
00:36:48.00\00:36:51.74
Wow, okay.
00:36:51.77\00:36:53.38
So he is more accepting
of you now as the time goes.
00:36:53.41\00:36:57.65
Yes, we went and
saw him this last,
00:36:57.68\00:36:59.35
this couple of days
ago on Thanksgiving.
00:36:59.38\00:37:02.02
It was incredible.
00:37:02.05\00:37:03.39
It was better
than we ever thought.
00:37:03.42\00:37:04.75
It was incredible. Really?
00:37:04.79\00:37:06.12
Yeah, they made
popcorn for us but they went,
00:37:06.15\00:37:07.92
they got coconut oil to
make it instead of lard and...
00:37:07.96\00:37:10.73
Oh, really? It was incredible.
00:37:10.76\00:37:12.33
Yeah, my dad was
so happy to see me
00:37:12.36\00:37:14.36
and we were praising God,
00:37:14.40\00:37:16.16
I mean, it was good,
'cause we never thought,
00:37:16.20\00:37:18.30
we thought we'll
lose our family forever.
00:37:18.33\00:37:20.04
And lard is a big thing
'cause they raise their own,
00:37:20.07\00:37:22.30
you know, the
pigs and hogs and--
00:37:22.34\00:37:25.31
a lot and so you eat the pork
00:37:25.34\00:37:27.38
and you eat the--
'cause that's part of it.
00:37:27.41\00:37:29.98
They raise it all so it's...
00:37:30.01\00:37:31.35
That's right.
00:37:31.38\00:37:32.71
That was neat that they were
willing to get the coconut oil
00:37:32.75\00:37:35.38
instead of the lard for you.
00:37:35.42\00:37:36.75
It was so wonderful.
00:37:36.79\00:37:38.12
It's amazing testimony.
00:37:38.15\00:37:39.49
Now your burden
now, both of you,
00:37:39.52\00:37:41.29
your burden is to reach
other Amish, other folk.
00:37:41.32\00:37:45.06
That's right.
00:37:45.09\00:37:46.43
And you are doing
something about it.
00:37:46.46\00:37:47.80
You have a
ministry. That's right.
00:37:47.83\00:37:49.16
So we want to know
what the ministry is.
00:37:49.20\00:37:50.53
It's the West Salem Ministry.
00:37:50.57\00:37:51.90
But we want you
to tell us about it
00:37:51.93\00:37:53.77
and we've got folk at home
00:37:53.80\00:37:55.17
that I think are
gonna want to help.
00:37:55.20\00:37:56.57
Absolutely. Don't you?
00:37:56.60\00:37:57.94
Absolutely.
00:37:57.97\00:37:59.31
So, tell us about
West Salem mission,
00:37:59.34\00:38:01.71
how it started, why it started
and where it is right now.
00:38:01.74\00:38:05.41
Yes, well, let me just start
to say by say that you know,
00:38:05.45\00:38:09.35
we were baptized
and we became members
00:38:09.38\00:38:11.62
of the Seventh-day Adventist
Church in August of 2013.
00:38:11.65\00:38:15.56
And at that time
we felt so defeated.
00:38:15.59\00:38:17.63
I mean, we had
gone through so much.
00:38:17.66\00:38:20.23
We didn't
expect anything in life
00:38:20.26\00:38:21.60
but accept the cross.
00:38:21.63\00:38:23.47
I just wanted afterlife
and I had given up in life.
00:38:23.50\00:38:27.04
But the Lord was
not done with us.
00:38:27.07\00:38:29.17
Okay. It was quite obvious.
00:38:29.20\00:38:30.54
And right after that,
some Adventists started coming
00:38:30.57\00:38:33.74
seeing us on Sabbath.
00:38:33.78\00:38:35.34
And they spent time with us
00:38:35.38\00:38:36.71
and we had this
one couple came by.
00:38:36.75\00:38:40.32
He was just converted
from the Catholic faith
00:38:40.35\00:38:44.12
about three years ago.
00:38:44.15\00:38:45.92
And he was quite well
off financially and he said,
00:38:45.95\00:38:48.89
come on, we need
to do something here.
00:38:48.92\00:38:51.46
And so we kind of looked around
and to kind of in a nutshell
00:38:51.49\00:38:56.00
we bought this
fireworks property that was,
00:38:56.03\00:38:59.27
that I used to work
for when I was growing up.
00:38:59.30\00:39:01.00
Okay.
00:39:01.04\00:39:02.37
I never had an idea that
we would have church services
00:39:02.40\00:39:04.54
there but anyways we
bought this fireworks property
00:39:04.57\00:39:07.91
and there was
a-- there was a newer
00:39:07.94\00:39:11.48
like an office
building on it that was kind of
00:39:11.51\00:39:13.28
like a ranch type
home and we took a wall out
00:39:13.31\00:39:17.49
and we build a small
sanctuary where we could
00:39:17.52\00:39:19.35
get together in Sabbaths,
at least you know, we tried to,
00:39:19.39\00:39:21.66
tried to have a new
normal and reach our people
00:39:21.69\00:39:26.36
and one of the things that
was such a great relief for us,
00:39:26.39\00:39:28.83
is once we just, one of
the things that made it so hard
00:39:28.86\00:39:32.13
for us to step out and
become Seventh-day Adventist
00:39:32.17\00:39:33.90
because we thought,
well, we're not gonna have
00:39:33.94\00:39:35.57
horse and buggy anymore.
00:39:35.60\00:39:36.94
Everything is
gonna be different.
00:39:36.97\00:39:38.41
And so finally we
realized, Naomi told me one day,
00:39:38.44\00:39:40.68
she said, you
know, we can be Amish
00:39:40.71\00:39:42.81
and be Seventh-day Adventist.
00:39:42.84\00:39:44.18
I just thought that's
right. We could do that.
00:39:44.21\00:39:46.58
And then it became a no-brainer.
00:39:46.61\00:39:48.92
Of course, we would do that.
00:39:48.95\00:39:50.29
You know in order
to reach the Amish,
00:39:50.32\00:39:51.65
in order to honor our
parents, why would we dishonor
00:39:51.69\00:39:55.19
our parents to keep the Sabbath.
00:39:55.22\00:39:56.56
That makes no sense.
00:39:56.59\00:39:57.93
We were, part of that
was because we were living
00:39:57.96\00:40:00.20
with my mom at the time.
00:40:00.23\00:40:01.70
That's right.
00:40:01.73\00:40:03.13
And I could not see to her,
00:40:03.16\00:40:07.64
from my part I
couldn't use her like
00:40:07.67\00:40:09.57
that because I knew she's
gonna think it's horrible.
00:40:09.60\00:40:13.61
Even more horrible
if we go out and take it
00:40:13.64\00:40:16.58
and change cloths
and get car and...
00:40:16.61\00:40:19.01
Okay, all right.
00:40:19.05\00:40:21.18
So anyways, then we
had this other Amish man
00:40:21.22\00:40:25.62
who stopped at my
house and he said, you know,
00:40:25.65\00:40:27.36
I was in church, this
Amish-- in the Amish church
00:40:27.39\00:40:29.92
here lately and he said,
00:40:29.96\00:40:31.59
they were saying some
stuff about you, Andy.
00:40:31.63\00:40:34.20
And he said, they
were saying, you know,
00:40:34.23\00:40:37.63
Andy Weaver says that
two churches are gonna preach
00:40:37.67\00:40:41.10
the gospel into all the world.
00:40:41.14\00:40:42.64
Whereas the Amish
don't believe in evangelism
00:40:42.67\00:40:44.97
and I think there
were some other things
00:40:45.01\00:40:47.18
and it was gossip.
00:40:47.21\00:40:48.81
But he was standing there
and he's like well, I get that.
00:40:48.84\00:40:51.78
That makes sense.
00:40:51.81\00:40:53.15
So they lost his
family over gossip.
00:40:53.18\00:40:56.02
He came and saw me
and he thought well,
00:40:56.05\00:40:59.12
the Sabbath makes sense to
me and I'm gonna embrace it so,
00:40:59.15\00:41:02.02
and his wife was not ready.
00:41:02.06\00:41:03.69
And so the Amish took his
wife and his children away
00:41:03.73\00:41:07.70
and they ran him
out of the house.
00:41:07.73\00:41:09.06
Oh, my.
00:41:09.10\00:41:10.43
And actually they took
him to a counseling center
00:41:10.47\00:41:11.80
and trying to put him on
drugs 'cause they thought
00:41:11.83\00:41:13.17
he was crazy in
his head and stuff.
00:41:13.20\00:41:15.00
But drugs are something new.
They should not use new stuff.
00:41:15.04\00:41:19.24
You got to remind
them they are Amish.
00:41:19.27\00:41:20.61
Yeah, you got to
do what you got to do.
00:41:20.64\00:41:22.11
You keep people
from going crazy.
00:41:22.14\00:41:25.71
So in a nutshell...
00:41:25.75\00:41:27.08
They thought he was crazy.
00:41:27.12\00:41:28.45
Yes. Okay.
00:41:28.48\00:41:29.82
She's converted
today, and they are taking
00:41:29.85\00:41:31.55
Bible studies and they
are planning to be baptized.
00:41:31.59\00:41:34.59
Oh, that's wonderful.
00:41:34.62\00:41:35.96
Absolutely. That's incredible.
00:41:35.99\00:41:37.56
So you have
this place, facility,
00:41:37.59\00:41:40.30
and you are meeting on Sabbath.
00:41:40.33\00:41:41.66
That's right. Right?
00:41:41.70\00:41:43.03
Yeah.
00:41:43.06\00:41:44.40
And we have a school
there. Okay, here we go.
00:41:44.43\00:41:45.77
All right.
00:41:45.80\00:41:47.14
Are these some of
the folk who come there?
00:41:47.17\00:41:48.64
Yes, that's my family in
the front row and then yeah,
00:41:48.67\00:41:52.97
we can hold about 60 people
00:41:53.01\00:41:54.41
but this last
Sabbath, it was crowded.
00:41:54.44\00:41:57.25
Because most of them
are not were not Amish,
00:41:57.28\00:41:59.08
but you know the Amish,
like you shared earlier,
00:41:59.11\00:42:02.35
it's very
difficult to reach them.
00:42:02.38\00:42:03.85
But we know they
are gonna be reached
00:42:03.89\00:42:05.49
because they are
part of the tribe,
00:42:05.52\00:42:07.22
I mean, they will be reached.
00:42:07.26\00:42:08.99
And one of the great ways
to reach them is literature,
00:42:09.02\00:42:12.56
through like mail, that
way they are comfortable.
00:42:12.59\00:42:16.90
So that's what
we are working for.
00:42:16.93\00:42:18.27
We hope to work with
different Adventist ministries,
00:42:18.30\00:42:21.17
you know, to get
mail and it has also,
00:42:21.20\00:42:23.71
there's already a ministry known
00:42:23.74\00:42:26.11
as Plain People's
Ministry out at North Carolina
00:42:26.14\00:42:28.98
that you can send all your,
00:42:29.01\00:42:30.35
if you have Amish
friends or neighbors or anybody,
00:42:30.38\00:42:33.18
you can send your
addresses and he will mail them
00:42:33.21\00:42:35.48
all the Adventist
literature, all the doctrines.
00:42:35.52\00:42:37.95
He's been doing for
30 years. Wonderful.
00:42:37.99\00:42:40.36
The Amish are those--
there's a number of Amish
00:42:40.39\00:42:41.92
that are waking up.
00:42:41.96\00:42:43.29
They are really
starting to consider the Sabbath
00:42:43.32\00:42:45.03
but the devil fights it.
00:42:45.06\00:42:46.39
I mean, he
fights it really hard.
00:42:46.43\00:42:48.00
Yeah.
00:42:48.03\00:42:49.36
But anyways we had
about eight children
00:42:49.40\00:42:52.47
and we felt that we
need to get a school started
00:42:52.50\00:42:54.94
so we started a school
00:42:54.97\00:42:56.47
and we have a widowed
lady that teach in school.
00:42:56.50\00:42:58.67
And she was actually,
00:42:58.71\00:43:00.04
her husband was a
was a evangelist for,
00:43:00.08\00:43:05.11
a Bible worker for
Amazing Facts for Joe Crews.
00:43:05.15\00:43:07.42
Okay. All right. good.
00:43:07.45\00:43:09.02
And so she moved in and
she is our school teacher
00:43:09.05\00:43:12.79
and her daughter
attends the school there.
00:43:12.82\00:43:15.82
So we have this,
we have everything--
00:43:15.86\00:43:17.73
She lives in
this little building,
00:43:17.76\00:43:19.76
we have church there
and we have school there.
00:43:19.79\00:43:22.16
Multipurpose. It's Multipurpose.
00:43:22.20\00:43:23.70
It's a multipurpose. Yes.
00:43:23.73\00:43:25.57
And it's working
out, but that's all.
00:43:25.60\00:43:27.34
I mean, yeah, it's
very tough, it's very hard.
00:43:27.37\00:43:29.47
It's very crowded.
00:43:29.50\00:43:30.84
Yeah, but there's
other buildings there,
00:43:30.87\00:43:33.11
we're working, we're
gonna start renovation
00:43:33.14\00:43:35.01
and renovation on
another building there
00:43:35.04\00:43:37.61
that was used to
make firecrackers,
00:43:37.65\00:43:40.78
that's gonna be
our school building.
00:43:40.82\00:43:42.15
And then we're
working on getting...
00:43:42.18\00:43:46.02
on fund raising to
build a multipurpose building,
00:43:46.05\00:43:49.06
bigger building
where we can have,
00:43:49.09\00:43:51.76
where we can worship and
have, like, cooking classes,
00:43:51.79\00:43:55.60
and all kind of, because
people around there don't know
00:43:55.63\00:43:57.27
anything about Adventists
00:43:57.30\00:43:58.63
and you don't want
everybody out to tell
00:43:58.67\00:44:00.37
everybody what they think
about Adventists, you want to,
00:44:00.40\00:44:02.90
kind of, keep
ahead of the game there.
00:44:02.94\00:44:04.77
Yeah, that's right.
00:44:04.81\00:44:06.14
Are you finding that there are
00:44:06.17\00:44:07.51
a lot of people
who are seeing truth,
00:44:07.54\00:44:09.84
that they're really
hungering for the truth?
00:44:09.88\00:44:12.25
Yes.
00:44:12.28\00:44:13.62
Within that community? Yes.
00:44:13.65\00:44:14.98
There's a lot of Amish
that are hungering for truth,
00:44:15.02\00:44:16.35
especially younger
folks, and it's devastating,
00:44:16.38\00:44:18.45
the old folks are devastated,
they think the young folks,
00:44:18.49\00:44:21.59
they believe, they truly
believe it's the great falling
00:44:21.62\00:44:23.76
away that Paul prophesied about.
00:44:23.79\00:44:25.73
And so it creates
a lot of heartache
00:44:25.76\00:44:27.20
and there's nothing funny about.
00:44:27.23\00:44:28.56
I mean, to them it's terrible.
00:44:28.60\00:44:29.93
My parents, I mean, my mother,
00:44:29.96\00:44:31.83
she literally
got health problems,
00:44:31.87\00:44:33.20
I believe, over me
leaving the church,
00:44:33.23\00:44:35.20
'cause there's
nothing, it's very intense,
00:44:35.24\00:44:36.97
it's very, I mean I feel...
00:44:37.01\00:44:38.57
But you're able to
sit down and talk to them?
00:44:38.61\00:44:41.08
It was pretty rocky for
a while, I just kind of,
00:44:41.11\00:44:43.85
I did once in a
great while, but it...
00:44:43.88\00:44:46.58
Just once in a great while
because it was pretty intense,
00:44:46.61\00:44:50.69
but...
00:44:50.72\00:44:52.35
You tell her that it doesn't
change your love for her.
00:44:52.39\00:44:54.59
Yes. And she knows that by now.
00:44:54.62\00:44:56.49
I mean, things they have gotten,
00:44:56.52\00:44:57.89
the Holy Spirit has
gotten, so we pray for them
00:44:57.93\00:45:01.43
all day, every day.
00:45:01.46\00:45:02.80
In the middle of the
night when I wake up,
00:45:02.83\00:45:04.50
first thing I do, I
pray for my parents.
00:45:04.53\00:45:05.97
Oh, that's great.
00:45:06.00\00:45:07.34
Because I know they're grieved
00:45:07.37\00:45:08.70
and there's
nothing funny about that.
00:45:08.74\00:45:10.11
I mean, that's terrible.
00:45:10.14\00:45:11.47
Yeah, that's very
serious. It's very serious.
00:45:11.51\00:45:13.24
Because they feel as
though your soul is in jeopardy.
00:45:13.27\00:45:16.81
That's right.
00:45:16.85\00:45:18.18
They are sure that we're gonna
be tortured for all eternity,
00:45:18.21\00:45:20.02
and how could you bear that.
00:45:20.05\00:45:21.38
Yeah.
00:45:21.42\00:45:22.75
And but from our visit
00:45:22.78\00:45:24.12
with my parents on Thanksgiving,
00:45:24.15\00:45:26.79
I am fairly...
00:45:26.82\00:45:29.06
I'm thinking...
00:45:29.09\00:45:30.43
I'm fairly
confident that they're getting
00:45:30.46\00:45:31.96
to the point where they believe,
00:45:31.99\00:45:33.43
may be Andy and
Naomi will not be lost.
00:45:33.46\00:45:35.40
One thing they like is
that we believe in law.
00:45:35.43\00:45:39.03
They think they
believe in the law,
00:45:39.07\00:45:40.40
but to them it's more,
00:45:40.44\00:45:42.67
they believe
Amish law, that's right.
00:45:42.70\00:45:45.74
They believe that
you should not eat horse
00:45:45.77\00:45:47.51
because their
hooves are not split,
00:45:47.54\00:45:49.88
you can't eat
horse it's unclean,
00:45:49.91\00:45:51.38
but it's alright to
eat pork, and you're weird
00:45:51.41\00:45:53.21
if you don't eat pork,
'cause that's the old covenant.
00:45:53.25\00:45:55.62
And you know, it's
a very inconsistent,
00:45:55.65\00:45:57.05
but, you know, if
nobody challenges it,
00:45:57.09\00:45:59.75
nobody thinks about it.
00:45:59.79\00:46:01.22
Questions it. That's right.
00:46:01.26\00:46:02.59
Now everybody
thinking and it's creating
00:46:02.62\00:46:04.59
a lot of chaos, so we
just try to, you know,
00:46:04.63\00:46:07.16
do everything we
can to keep everything
00:46:07.20\00:46:08.53
quiet and normal and...
00:46:08.56\00:46:10.93
'Cause we love these people.
00:46:10.97\00:46:12.30
All I want is them--
00:46:12.33\00:46:13.67
I want them in the kingdom,
I'm not looking for them
00:46:13.70\00:46:15.47
to all swarm to
this church and worship,
00:46:15.50\00:46:17.77
I just want them in the
kingdom when we get there.
00:46:17.81\00:46:19.87
Absolutely.
00:46:19.91\00:46:21.24
See, from my perspective
from that this is really
00:46:21.28\00:46:24.31
remarkable because people
don't even know to be open
00:46:24.35\00:46:28.52
because they're
afraid to be open,
00:46:28.55\00:46:30.39
because I don't want
to be that person to be
00:46:30.42\00:46:33.79
because you're so
within this closed community
00:46:33.82\00:46:37.53
that if you do anything
you're pretty well outcasts,
00:46:37.56\00:46:40.70
so you can't even hardly
have thoughts of doing anything.
00:46:40.73\00:46:44.97
And your mind's not
there, but when you do business
00:46:45.00\00:46:47.77
with the English
or you do business
00:46:47.80\00:46:50.61
and somebody comes
and you start saying,
00:46:50.64\00:46:52.77
well, these people
aren't so bad, you know,
00:46:52.81\00:46:54.78
and then they start teaching,
you know, the Word of God,
00:46:54.81\00:46:58.68
but how much more effective,
you know, is Andy and Naomi
00:46:58.71\00:47:03.08
because they still
have the Amish lifestyle
00:47:03.12\00:47:06.99
and so it's not just
the English that's out here,
00:47:07.02\00:47:10.03
but hey, they're
born and raised Amish,
00:47:10.06\00:47:12.79
wonder what's
after the gossip's over
00:47:12.83\00:47:14.90
and shock is over?
00:47:14.93\00:47:16.63
I think it comes down to,
00:47:16.67\00:47:18.43
well, they're
still wonderful people,
00:47:18.47\00:47:19.80
we see them,
00:47:19.83\00:47:21.17
they're raising in the
family, they love people,
00:47:21.20\00:47:23.51
they haven't
really changed that much,
00:47:23.54\00:47:25.94
so what is it that...
00:47:25.97\00:47:27.71
Why did they do
what they have done?
00:47:27.74\00:47:29.24
That's right.
00:47:29.28\00:47:30.61
And I think it
will get their minds.
00:47:30.65\00:47:32.28
Now they have a
church and who knows,
00:47:32.31\00:47:33.78
someone may venture their start
00:47:33.82\00:47:35.65
and you have one family already.
00:47:35.68\00:47:37.62
We've been a lot--
we've been so much trouble
00:47:37.65\00:47:39.42
without the Holy
Spirit, you know,
00:47:39.45\00:47:40.79
it's all up to the Holy Spirit.
00:47:40.82\00:47:42.32
But God wants us to--
00:47:42.36\00:47:43.83
God just wants us to
be instruments, you know,
00:47:43.86\00:47:46.06
to get people
to think, you know,
00:47:46.09\00:47:47.83
get people to question
and, you know to demonstrate,
00:47:47.86\00:47:50.53
I mean, that's just
part of God's love is to use
00:47:50.57\00:47:53.27
His sinful
people to work for Him.
00:47:53.30\00:47:56.40
And who better than from within.
00:47:56.44\00:47:59.07
That's right.
00:47:59.11\00:48:00.44
Like Danny was saying,
it's a much better witness
00:48:00.48\00:48:03.65
from within than
somebody from outside saying,
00:48:03.68\00:48:06.65
whatever you guys
have that culture already
00:48:06.68\00:48:10.65
and you're maintaining
that lifestyle and yet,
00:48:10.69\00:48:14.96
you have reached out to the
Word of God and you're really,
00:48:14.99\00:48:18.13
You've really accepted the
word of God, not tradition.
00:48:18.16\00:48:21.43
That's right, yup.
00:48:21.46\00:48:22.80
And they understand that I
actually had an Amish bishop
00:48:22.83\00:48:25.23
come and tell me, he
said, you know, Andy?
00:48:25.27\00:48:28.50
I want you to move
off of this property,
00:48:28.54\00:48:31.01
'cause I'm in the
center of the community
00:48:31.04\00:48:33.07
of over 300 families.
00:48:33.11\00:48:34.74
I want you to move
off of this property,
00:48:34.78\00:48:37.01
I want you to cut your hair,
00:48:37.05\00:48:38.85
I want you to
change your clothes
00:48:38.88\00:48:40.35
and I want you to
move to the West Coast
00:48:40.38\00:48:42.55
and I want you to take
that smile off that face.
00:48:42.58\00:48:45.65
Do not act like you're
happy, 'cause you're condemned.
00:48:45.69\00:48:49.36
And I felt, wow, it's working.
00:48:49.39\00:48:54.00
Wow.
00:48:54.03\00:48:55.36
No, I don't want to be a
threat to the Amish community,
00:48:55.40\00:48:56.77
I love the Amish. I
don't want to be a--
00:48:56.80\00:48:58.57
I want to be a blessing to
them and I don't know why God--
00:48:58.60\00:49:02.34
How God is going
to reach these people,
00:49:02.37\00:49:03.71
but I know for a fact that
He will reach these people.
00:49:03.74\00:49:06.64
And I believe He will
be through mailing a lot.
00:49:06.68\00:49:10.11
The ball will start rolling.
00:49:10.15\00:49:11.48
It's gonna be... It's gonna
be through you all, of course.
00:49:11.51\00:49:13.52
Now what can we do,
our viewers are watching,
00:49:13.55\00:49:16.02
you're saying financially
you're doing fund raising,
00:49:16.05\00:49:18.75
what particular is
this for literature?
00:49:18.79\00:49:20.86
So that you can mail
literature money for that?
00:49:20.89\00:49:23.53
Is it for their...
00:49:23.56\00:49:24.89
Your buildings,
for the remodeling,
00:49:24.93\00:49:26.29
the expanding?
00:49:26.33\00:49:27.66
What is that our viewers can do?
00:49:27.70\00:49:29.13
Tell us what the needs are.
00:49:29.16\00:49:30.53
Well, let me first
say, thank everybody that,
00:49:30.57\00:49:34.37
that
contributed to the ministry,
00:49:34.40\00:49:36.20
even in just prayer.
00:49:36.24\00:49:37.57
I mean, somebody has
obviously been praying hard
00:49:37.61\00:49:39.34
because things have
been really moving on fast.
00:49:39.37\00:49:42.11
And we have gotten a
lot of financial gifts
00:49:42.14\00:49:45.35
which are very much appreciated.
00:49:45.38\00:49:47.42
And we want to
thank you these people,
00:49:47.45\00:49:48.85
we greatly appreciate those,
00:49:48.88\00:49:50.95
all those financial
helps that we have gotten.
00:49:50.99\00:49:54.36
And there's one specific church
that has helped us a whole lot,
00:49:54.39\00:49:59.63
Smith Mountain Lake
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:49:59.66\00:50:01.40
in Virginia, they have
been such a great blessing.
00:50:01.43\00:50:04.10
I mean, they help us with our,
things we need for communion
00:50:04.13\00:50:07.10
and Pastor Danny Poff
came up and he preached
00:50:07.14\00:50:10.17
and they were at the
work be, and that church,
00:50:10.21\00:50:14.28
they have done so much for
us and we want to thank them.
00:50:14.31\00:50:17.71
Okay, what can they do?
00:50:17.75\00:50:19.95
We're gonna put up an
address in a little bit,
00:50:19.98\00:50:22.05
so your biggest
needs right now are what?
00:50:22.08\00:50:24.19
Yes, our biggest need
right now is some financial help
00:50:24.22\00:50:27.56
because we are out of
room and we want to build
00:50:27.59\00:50:30.66
a multipurpose
building for our...
00:50:30.69\00:50:34.16
for the mission, to kind
of get our feet under us.
00:50:34.20\00:50:36.67
And then we're just
looking for open doors
00:50:36.70\00:50:40.80
as far as who can we work with,
00:50:40.84\00:50:42.74
as far as getting
literature to the Amish,
00:50:42.77\00:50:45.07
you know, start
working with the Amish.
00:50:45.11\00:50:47.88
'Cause we do want
to tell people that is
00:50:47.91\00:50:49.48
part of our group
there is 30 years,
00:50:49.51\00:50:52.71
he's been a
co-partner for 30 years
00:50:52.75\00:50:55.32
and mostly among the Amish,
00:50:55.35\00:50:57.05
so, you know, he's
got a lot of contacts.
00:50:57.09\00:50:58.85
Okay.
00:50:58.89\00:51:00.22
And we don't know
where this is all is going,
00:51:00.26\00:51:01.66
but we know--
00:51:01.69\00:51:03.02
there is no question that
God has a ministry for us.
00:51:03.06\00:51:05.16
Amen.
00:51:05.19\00:51:06.53
So you need volunteers
to disseminate literature?
00:51:06.56\00:51:09.76
Or... is that
what you're saying?
00:51:09.80\00:51:11.70
I think for the most
part, what works best
00:51:11.73\00:51:14.97
is if we can
work through somebody,
00:51:15.00\00:51:16.91
through ministries or
whether we will be that,
00:51:16.94\00:51:18.87
you know, the center of it?
00:51:18.91\00:51:20.24
We hope what we can do is,
00:51:20.28\00:51:21.61
we want to reach all
the Amish plain communities
00:51:21.64\00:51:23.48
and of course, we
want to reach souls,
00:51:23.51\00:51:25.41
and we are not just
out for Amish anybody--
00:51:25.45\00:51:27.22
but we're gonna be
geared toward to plain people.
00:51:27.25\00:51:29.82
And so want to kind of be
there like the headquarters
00:51:29.85\00:51:33.49
of that, you know, to help
other people in other areas.
00:51:33.52\00:51:35.99
And but...
00:51:36.02\00:51:37.59
But ministries like
00:51:37.63\00:51:38.96
Steve Wohlberg's
and Amazing Facts...
00:51:38.99\00:51:40.33
Amazing Facts, how we can
work with them to, you know?
00:51:40.36\00:51:43.03
'Cause we have over, we
have like 15,000 or 18,000
00:51:43.06\00:51:46.67
Amish addresses through
plain people's ministry.
00:51:46.70\00:51:49.50
So what one person
has, and I forget the name
00:51:49.54\00:51:52.57
of this ministry, but they
were just working on that now,
00:51:52.61\00:51:55.18
they're adopting all of those
addresses and they're planning
00:51:55.21\00:51:59.68
to send "Steps to Christ"
to every one of those homes.
00:51:59.71\00:52:01.88
Wonderful.
00:52:01.92\00:52:03.25
So that is an example
what we want do and it's just--
00:52:03.28\00:52:06.59
It remains a mystery of
how will this all play out.
00:52:06.62\00:52:10.26
Well, what is gonna turn
out is gonna play out good.
00:52:10.29\00:52:13.19
Gonna be for the good.
00:52:13.23\00:52:14.56
All things work
together for good, right?
00:52:14.60\00:52:16.16
God had called us
according to His purpose.
00:52:16.20\00:52:19.33
What we'd like to
do is, we want to put
00:52:19.37\00:52:21.17
your address up on the screen.
00:52:21.20\00:52:22.77
So we want you to pray
and ask the Holy Spirit
00:52:22.80\00:52:25.47
what He would have you to do
00:52:25.51\00:52:27.34
and support our
West Salem Mission.
00:52:27.38\00:52:30.25
If you'd like to
contact Andy then you can write
00:52:33.15\00:52:35.68
to West Salem Mission,
00:52:35.72\00:52:37.75
14700 Rickel Road,
West Salem, Ohio 44287.
00:52:37.79\00:52:43.99
That's West Salem Mission,
00:52:44.03\00:52:46.49
14700 R-I-C-K-E-L Road,
00:52:46.53\00:52:51.60
West Salem, Ohio 44287.
00:52:51.63\00:52:54.67
You can call 567-334-1080,
00:52:54.70\00:52:58.41
that's 567-334-1080.
00:52:58.44\00:53:02.41
Or you can send an email
to westsalemmission@gmail.com.
00:53:02.44\00:53:08.25
It's all one word,
westsalemmission@gmail.com
00:53:08.28\00:53:14.19