I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, and welcome once again
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to Three Angels
Broadcasting Networks
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Today program.
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And thank you for your prayers
and support of this ministry.
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Today again, is one
of those special programs
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that we look back at
a recent large gathering
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of the
Seventh-day Adventist church,
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in particular, this time
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the General
Conference's meetings
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held in July of 2015
in San Antonio, Texas.
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We always set up our booth
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because we get a
chance to record the exploits,
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dare I say, of any
number of ministries
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that are doing great things
for the Lord around the world.
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And we see that
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ministry is not
limited to any race or any age.
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We see young people,
we see older individuals,
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we see
individuals who have retired
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from active church service,
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doing things for
the Lord on their own,
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any number of combinations,
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doing a great work for the Lord.
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Up just now our pastor,
our friend John Lomacang
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had a chance to
interview Nate Mace
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someone he's
known for quite a while.
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And Martin Webber, they're
both of Logos Bible Software,
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a very interesting concept
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that pastor the lay persons
that you want to give ear to
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because it has much
information that you can use
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to help you in your ministry.
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This is John Lomacang,
Nate Mace, Martin Weber.
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Hello, friends, and welcome
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to the General
Conference Session, 2015.
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My name is John Lomacang,
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and I'm here with two
very interesting individuals
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that you will
be excited to meet.
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Martin Weber and Nate Mace,
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both are working
with Logos Bible Software,
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and I believe
that as the Bible says,
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"In the beginning was the word."
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If the word, if the
world began with the word,
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how much more important is
the word in these last days?
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So let's welcome
our guests at this time.
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Nate, good to meet you.
Absolutely, thank you, John.
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And, Martin, good
to meet you over there.
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Thank you.
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Thank the Lord,
you have long arms.
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You know a few days ago
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I had a chance to meet
you over at the NAD meetings
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and really found
out about something
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that has become
a part of my life,
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the Logos Bible Software.
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Now, Nate, just
for our audience,
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tell us who you
are, where you're from,
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and actually
what you do right now.
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Great. Yeah.
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So again, my name is Nate Mace
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and I am with
Logos Bible Software.
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Currently living in
Bellingham, Washington,
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which is where
our headquarter is at.
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And I have the
honor and privilege
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of traveling
around this great country
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and demonstrating
our software to pastors,
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lay leaders, missionaries,
seminary professors,
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and getting to show
them the power of ourselves,
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we're connected with the
great theological library
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that allows them to really
do in-depth biblical research.
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Okay, well, good to
have you here today.
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Thank you, John.
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And, Martin, you're no,
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we're no stranger to one another
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but somebody watching
may not know who you are,
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so tell us who you are
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and give us some
background on who you are.
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Sure, sure.
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It was my privilege
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to write scripts
for George Vandeman
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on Bible prophecy and doctrine
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and travel with him as well
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and then to work at
the General Conference
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with Ministry
Magazine and to travel around,
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training pastors,
and to be a pastor
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also of 11 different
churches through the years.
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And right now you're an
SDA I could use the phrase,
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Liaison to Logos? Yes.
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I was working away at my office
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in the Mid-America Union one day
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when a email
dropped in from Logos
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saying that someone
at the General Conference
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had recommended me
to have the opportunity
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to be the Seventh-day
Adventist product manager
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to bring a whole line of
Adventist products into Logos.
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So I quickly
retired and here I am.
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And I am glad that you
are here today with us.
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Now, Nate, give us,
for those who are look,
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listening to this interview,
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somebody may not even know
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what Logos is
outside of the fact
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that it does associate with,
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"in the beginning was the word."
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For those who are
novices to software at all
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or maybe those
who are professionals,
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kind of give us an
overview what Logos is.
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Absolutely.
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So let me, let me
paint this picture for you.
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Logos Bible Software
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is a digital
theological research library.
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So that means
we're going to take
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all your biblical resources,
so your Bible translations,
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commentaries, dictionaries,
encyclopedias, lexicons,
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preaching and
teaching resources,
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maps, photos,
medias, journals, sermons,
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just everything,
combined with our tools.
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We have tools to
help with passage study,
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exegetical study, words studies
in the original language,
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topical studies, we have tools
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to help you build lesson
plans and sermon outlines,
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we have all the
biographical data
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for every single
person, place, thing
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and the event in scripture.
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That's all 3,600
names, every single place.
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A timeline that
covers the expanse of history
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from creation to present day
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with biblical
history, church history,
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and world history,
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not to mention a
plethora of other tools
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provided to interact
with those resources.
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But the key of
Logos Bible Software
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is our books.
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You're not just
getting a digital copy,
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you're getting what
we call Smart Books.
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So when you touch a word,
you're going to get the Greek,
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the Hebrew, Parsing
and concordance, lexicon,
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definition, transliteration,
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we'll even
pronounce the word for you
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in the original language.
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And that's just
touching the word.
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Click on the word,
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we're just going to
open, wide open for you.
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Wow, wow, wow,
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that's a whole
lot you said there.
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Breaking that
down into components
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because I had a
chance to work with Logos 6,
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and that's the
most recent version
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of the Logos software.
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But it also comes,
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before I get into
some of the specifics,
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a Logos comes
in various packages
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from the beginning to the top,
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kind of give us an
idea of what they range.
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We have libraries to
meet every single need.
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So whether you are just a novice
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and want to dig into God's word,
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you're not really
sure where to start
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or you're a lay leader,
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and maybe you're a
regular personal study,
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but maybe you lead a small group
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or a Sunday school class or
some women's or men's group.
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And then even beyond, if
you're a full time ministry,
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you're a senior pastor,
a scholar, a theologian,
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we have libraries
built for all those needs.
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And of course, you can
always build your library
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as time goes on,
meeting your personal needs.
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So anywhere from the layman,
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for the person that
just wants to dabble
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in understanding the Bible,
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all the way to
the professor level.
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And as you mentioned,
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you travel and give seminars
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and workshops to help
individuals understand
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more so at the academic
level also, understanding.
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There's also another aspect
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and I want to have
Martin Chime in on this
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because I noticed as the
software was talked about
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and both of you
could comment on this,
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that it creates a
continual community.
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For example, if
I'm able to comment
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on a particular
part of the Bible,
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does that become a
part of the Logos community?
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Help me understand that.
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Yes, it does.
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Part of our software
allows you to interact
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with different
communities that you can create.
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We do that through
our faith life groups,
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so you can make notes
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on your Bible or any other text,
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we'll be able to
share that with your groups.
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So you can have essentially,
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an online small group
or online Bible study,
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reading scripture together,
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be able to make
comments together
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and work through that as a group
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and not actually have
to be in the same room.
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Okay.
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Now, Martin, something
you talked about a while ago
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when we had a chance to
look at the Logos software
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at the NAD meetings.
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You mentioned how much
time it saves in study,
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because as pastors and
those who present sermons
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and those who teach,
one of the deficits is time.
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How does Logos make
the best use of our time?
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If there's a
funeral, if there's a vacation
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or just some emergency,
your time is really crunched.
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And with Logos you can
type in a scripture or a topic
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with one click to
actually 40 hours of research
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just unfolds with one click.
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And the SDA Bible commentary
is now in Logos gold version.
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Can I tell a little quick story
about how we got the rights.
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Sure. Okay.
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So we're
getting Logos 6 together
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and I wanted so much
to get the life works
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of Ellen White,
402 volumes in there.
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And so finally
got the green light
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from the White Estate
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to include it in base
packages on the last day
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that I could squeeze
something into Logos 6.
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So the reformed product manager
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and the orthodox product manager
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worked into the night with me
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to figure out a way
to take this or that,
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that Adventist might not
be quite as interested in
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to get the full life
works of Ellen White.
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And that touches me deeply,
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and we didn't have to
raise the prices one bit
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to get that done.
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Wow, and something
else as a liaison to Logos,
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also, I understand
that some of the resources
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from Andrews
University is included
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in the Logos
Software, talk about that.
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Oh, yes, they have
opened the door wide
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to some of the
really prime resources
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from Andrews including right now
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the book on
homosexuality is of course,
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an important topic
in these discussion.
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And so we have that.
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Biblical research institute,
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in fact, almost a
little miracle, I would say.
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We wanted DARCOM,
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the Daniel and
Revelation seven volume series,
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and it had gone out of print.
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So many pastors wanted it.
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So I called the
General Conference
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that was put through
the biblical research
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to ask for DARCOM.
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And first, he said, I
have a question for you,
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I have just
mailed DARCOM off to you,
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would you publish it?
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So can you imagine? So, yes.
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So we have it.
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And also some of
those who are followers,
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maybe of Pastor Doug Batchelor
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or there are those
scholars or teachers
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that read Dr Jon
Paulien's writing,
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those are also
available, am I correct?
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Yes, we have five
of Pastor Doug's books.
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Jonathan Paulien came up
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and actually
recorded a Mobile Ed course.
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We have his wife works as well.
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And he actually
came back a second week,
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spent two full weeks with us
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and said that working
with us might be his legacy.
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He was deeply impressed
by what he found there.
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Now, Nate, giving a broader view
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of the benefits of Logos,
is it designed in such a way
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that pastors can get
continuing education credit
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by using your software?
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Do you know about that?
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As of right now there is
no credit that will be given.
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But the beauty of our software
connected with the resources
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that are trusted
and known and desired,
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along with our
Mobile Ed education
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like we had Dr. Paulien do,
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you can do that
continuing education
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no matter where you are.
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So whether you did a degree
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in just pastoral
ministry or particular area,
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you can get that continuing ed
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such in counseling or a
particular field of study
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without having the cost
of going back to school.
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Okay.
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Now some people may not always
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want to carry
around their laptop,
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talk about the
mobility of Logos.
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How accessible it is,
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because we have
various devices nowadays,
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you know, we have the
iPad, the Kindle, the tablet,
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talk about the
mobility of Logos.
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Absolutely.
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That's the
beauty of our software,
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not only do we function
on both laptop and desktop,
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Mac and PC, but all
your mobile devices.
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So whether you're an
Android user, an OS user,
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Kindle Fire, Nook HD,
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and you're going to
be able to have access
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to your entire
library with you on the go.
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Okay.
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Which means, and both of
you could chime in on this,
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say, if I have,
if I'm doing research
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but I don't want to
carry my laptop today,
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I could carry my iPad,
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and because I am
making my own personal notes,
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does it interconnect?
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Absolutely, it does.
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It's going to connect and
sync with your other devices
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so that the notes and research
you're doing on that tablet
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would then sync over to
your desktop, your laptop
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and if you open it up,
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and you can
continue on once you open it.
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Okay, now for
those who may say, wow,
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you know, there is a whole lot
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they talk about
all these resources
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and sometimes I
may feel overwhelmed,
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does Logos offer
training to use the software?
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Absolutely, we
do offer training,
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because that's important to us.
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We want to make sure
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that not only are you investing
in a great theological library,
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but you'll be able
to use it right away.
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So first, we are very
user friendly off the bat.
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So once you jump in, it's
going to be easy to navigate.
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And we offer many
different places for training.
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Even right within our
software, in your library,
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we offer 26 to 28 videos
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to teach you how to walk
through all of the tools.
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We have a great YouTube
channel that can subscribe to,
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that we almost daily upload
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with tutorials and walkthroughs.
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As well as our website
provides great free training.
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You know it's good
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because there's a
large YouTube community.
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Somebody once
mentioned that on a daily basis,
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500 years worth of
videos are viewed on YouTube,
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so, but there
are beneficial sites
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to the use of Logos software.
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I went there
myself and looked at
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some of the
webinars that Logos does,
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and I download some
of those to my laptop.
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Now, Martin, what I
want to also talk about
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is now as a pastor,
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how can our clergy
enhance their day to day,
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or their weekly
sermon preparation
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with the use of Logos?
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Sure.
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Logos just walks with
them every step of the way,
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it's like having a
paid research assistant
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in every phase of
the sermon preparation.
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They can actually
create different layout pages
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for every phase of
a sermon preparation.
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And it just is a
fabulous tool to have,
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not only Adventist works
but works that Adventists trust,
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recommended by the seminary.
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For example, we just,
when Dr. Hans LaRondelle
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the beloved
professor from Andrews,
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when he passed away he
left behind two laptops
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with a million
words of information
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and Logos licensed those.
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And so we have them,
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just vintage,
wonderful resources.
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In fact, this has never happened
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in the history of
the Adventist church
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where a non-Adventist publisher
has just thrown open the door
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for whatever we want
so the biblical research,
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Andrews University
Press, the seminary,
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our publishing houses,
3ABN or any of your authors,
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we could get them in
Logos SDA and just go out there.
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So it connects the
entire community together?
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Yes.
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Now, another
question, for the Bible student,
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if a person wants
to do a word study,
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tell us about the power of Logos
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when it comes to that.
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Absolutely.
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As simple as
just touching the word
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and immediately
getting the Greek and Hebrew.
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Of course, your concordance
and lexicons and definitions.
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But our Bible Word
study tool is so powerful
00:16:02.79\00:16:05.09
and visual as well.
00:16:05.13\00:16:06.63
Opening up that term
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showing you all of
your lexicon definitions,
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translation wheel,
the root definition,
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all the places it's
translated in the English text.
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And simply
clicking on that wheel,
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let's you see all the places in
the Scripture where it's found,
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but beyond that all your roots,
grammatical relationships,
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semantic rules, example uses,
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prepositional
diagramming, textual searches,
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just immediately
accessible in a moment.
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So you can really understand
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how that word is
used in its context
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and apply that
to our daily lives.
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One of the other
features I heard about
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that's really a
tremendous benefit,
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I mean, as a graphic designer
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is that Logos also
offers an online connectivity
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for people that
want to use slides.
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Talk about that,
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the
presentation aspect of Logos.
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Absolutely.
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So not just helping you
with your theological research,
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but with your presentation.
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So we have thousands of
images loaded into your library
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that you have access to,
you have our visual copy tool.
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It will let you create
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customize artwork with scripture
00:17:00.92\00:17:02.62
or if you want to
quote an individual,
00:17:02.65\00:17:04.32
we have customize
artwork with their faces.
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So you can use that
for the presentation.
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And the images, by the
way, as I understood, Martin,
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these images
have been pre-selected
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to be some of the
best images on the topic.
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Because sometimes
people go to YouTube or Google
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and they look at images
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and it may not
be the best suited
00:17:20.74\00:17:22.44
for that particular topic.
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The other thing
that amazed me was
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about Solomon
Temple, talk about that.
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It showed the, the contemporary
as well as the ancient version
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and by just
swiping your tool over that
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you can see both of those.
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Talk about that.
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Wonderful interactive tool
called our Before and After
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allowing you to see
these, these places,
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these biblical
places that you can see
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how it was currently
after many, many years,
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and then we hired
just a fantastic designer
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to be able to show
you what it looked like
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back in the first
century, back in its glory days.
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So you can see how it's
built, how it's structured.
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Really get a better idea
as you read through the text
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when it describing these
items what they look like.
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Now we're living
in the post paper era.
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I think we can
all agree on that,
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paper is still being
sold, we print on that,
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but we're getting to the
place where paper is becoming
00:18:11.65\00:18:13.89
almost nonessential with
iPads and all the other things.
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So Logos is ahead of the curve
00:18:17.33\00:18:18.83
when it comes to not having
to write sermons any longer
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but you can type those
and carry them with you.
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If you were saying to those
who are watching the program,
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giving them a nugget on
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why they need to be a
part of the Logos community,
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what would you say?
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You now have access to
all your biblical resources
00:18:32.77\00:18:36.41
on the go, not being tied to
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which ones am I
going to bring with me,
00:18:38.75\00:18:40.22
if I am going on a mission trip,
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if I am traveling.
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Or I just happen to
be on my daily routine
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and run into someone
00:18:45.42\00:18:46.76
and I want to have
access to resources
00:18:46.79\00:18:48.12
so I can tuck them
through God's word.
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That's the power of Logos,
00:18:50.46\00:18:51.99
you know, that will be on your
tablet or on your Smartphone.
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And to the Adventist community,
00:18:54.83\00:18:56.16
Martin, tell us why
would it be necessary
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to be apart from the
Sabbath school teacher
00:18:58.67\00:19:01.00
to the lay
pastor, to the student
00:19:01.04\00:19:02.70
all the way up to the professor,
00:19:02.74\00:19:04.21
why would Logos
be a great benefit?
00:19:04.24\00:19:06.91
Everybody wants to be relevant
and biblical at the same time,
00:19:06.94\00:19:11.58
and Logos facilitates both.
00:19:11.61\00:19:14.92
There is a tool we have
called Cultural Concepts
00:19:14.95\00:19:18.02
that makes a sermon
not only or in class,
00:19:18.05\00:19:21.06
a study class, or a
small group Bible study,
00:19:21.09\00:19:23.73
not only
interesting but accurate.
00:19:23.76\00:19:26.86
And that's important
because while you're teaching
00:19:26.90\00:19:28.86
people are
googling, testing you.
00:19:28.90\00:19:31.10
Quickly, give me
the Logos website
00:19:31.13\00:19:32.67
that's been
developed for this GC session.
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Absolutely, because of
the General Conference,
00:19:35.34\00:19:37.41
we're offering a
phenomenal discount.
00:19:37.44\00:19:38.97
So if you just go
to www.logos.com/60th.
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Okay, well, thank you so
much, Nate, for being here.
00:19:44.05\00:19:46.08
Thank you,
Martin, for being here.
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And friends, the Bible says,
"In the beginning was the word,
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the word was with God
and the word was God."
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You can tap into the
power of Logos today.
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God bless you.
00:19:55.76\00:20:00.86
Amen. Well done.
00:20:00.90\00:20:02.80
Up next, Shelley Quinn
had a chance to speak with
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Will James and Peter Thomas.
00:20:06.87\00:20:09.30
They both represent
Friendship for Hope Ministries.
00:20:09.34\00:20:12.27
Now this is a coming
together consortium as it were
00:20:12.31\00:20:15.74
of any number of ministries
that are coming together
00:20:15.78\00:20:18.11
to do some great
things for the community.
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And you like to see
00:20:19.98\00:20:21.32
when ministries can
sort of cross boundaries
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and come together to do
a great work for the Lord.
00:20:23.92\00:20:26.32
Shelley Quinn, Will
James, Peter Thomas.
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Well, as you can tell
00:20:35.70\00:20:37.20
the convention exhibit halls
are really fall this morning,
00:20:37.23\00:20:41.60
and we got a lot of noise
going on in the background.
00:20:41.64\00:20:44.71
But you're going
to enjoy the story
00:20:44.74\00:20:46.91
you're about to hear.
00:20:46.94\00:20:49.24
During this interview, we
will be featuring a ministry
00:20:49.28\00:20:52.91
that is called
Friendship For Hope,
00:20:52.95\00:20:56.12
and Friendships For Hope
00:20:56.15\00:20:58.75
is based in San
Diego, California,
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which is the refugee capital
of the United States, really.
00:21:02.06\00:21:06.90
So let me introduce
you to Pastor Will James.
00:21:06.93\00:21:09.96
And, Will, so glad
that you're with us today.
00:21:10.00\00:21:12.20
It's a
privilege. And Peter Thomas.
00:21:12.23\00:21:14.24
And, Peter, thank
you for joining us.
00:21:14.27\00:21:16.54
You know this is such
a fascinating ministry,
00:21:16.57\00:21:19.94
especially the way in
which God began the ministry.
00:21:19.97\00:21:23.91
Pastor Will James,
tell us a little bit about
00:21:23.95\00:21:27.95
your move to California,
00:21:27.98\00:21:30.05
what you found there,
and what you did about it?
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Well, God called me
00:21:34.36\00:21:35.69
to the Paradise
Valley Church 13 years ago,
00:21:35.72\00:21:38.53
and it was an institutional
church at the time,
00:21:38.56\00:21:40.56
tied to
Paradise Valley Hospital.
00:21:40.60\00:21:42.86
Shortly after I got
there, they sold the hospital
00:21:42.90\00:21:46.43
and everybody said, well,
the Church is going to die.
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And to be very honest,
00:21:49.34\00:21:50.91
the church was not a
vibrant church at that point,
00:21:50.94\00:21:53.48
it was basically a dying church.
00:21:53.51\00:21:58.98
But I believe that God
wanted to become relevant
00:21:59.01\00:22:02.38
and meaningful to
the community I lived in.
00:22:02.42\00:22:05.12
I've had a
patient in all my ministry
00:22:05.15\00:22:06.65
that its church
needs to do more than
00:22:06.69\00:22:09.29
just have worship
on Sabbath morning.
00:22:09.32\00:22:11.26
They need to be
reaching the community
00:22:11.29\00:22:13.40
and using the gifts
that God has given to them.
00:22:13.43\00:22:15.80
And so I begin to
educate my members
00:22:15.83\00:22:18.53
that they are
all ordained of God,
00:22:18.57\00:22:20.84
they are all ministers of
God, and the God is placed them
00:22:20.87\00:22:24.54
where they are to
do a work for Him.
00:22:24.57\00:22:27.58
And we begin to explore
00:22:27.61\00:22:29.38
what God wanted us
to do in National City,
00:22:29.41\00:22:33.92
where our church is located,
00:22:33.95\00:22:35.35
in the heart of
San Diego, really.
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And our community
services was giving out day
00:22:37.92\00:22:41.52
old bread in making quilts
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and doing the
typical little thing.
00:22:43.56\00:22:45.59
But as the recession hit,
00:22:45.63\00:22:49.13
I felt compelled to
really step up the food ministry
00:22:49.16\00:22:52.97
and I put an ad on Craig's
list for a walk-in cooler.
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To make a long story short,
00:22:56.40\00:22:57.74
we had a walk-in
cooler donated to us,
00:22:57.77\00:22:59.37
a company came
in and installed it
00:22:59.41\00:23:00.78
for us free of cost
00:23:00.81\00:23:02.14
and we began to
grow our food ministry.
00:23:02.18\00:23:05.58
In that first year, we gave
out 1000 pounds of food a week,
00:23:05.61\00:23:08.85
on average to 300, 400 families
00:23:08.88\00:23:12.52
and we thought we
were really getting busy.
00:23:12.55\00:23:15.89
Today were giving out
11,000 pounds of food a week
00:23:15.92\00:23:19.19
to over 500 families
and through that ministry,
00:23:19.23\00:23:23.26
God has lead us
into a refugee ministry,
00:23:23.30\00:23:26.20
which we call a
Refugee Assimilation Project.
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It's to just try
to help these refugees
00:23:29.40\00:23:32.17
that are
floundering in our community
00:23:32.21\00:23:35.04
to learn English,
to learn job skills
00:23:35.08\00:23:37.71
and become successful in life.
00:23:37.75\00:23:41.12
Go back and explain to us
because many of us aren't,
00:23:41.15\00:23:44.65
there's many areas where
we don't have many refugees.
00:23:44.69\00:23:48.52
Where these
refugees coming from?
00:23:48.56\00:23:50.89
Why are they here?
00:23:50.93\00:23:52.79
How did they end
up in United States
00:23:52.83\00:23:54.83
where they don't
speak the language,
00:23:54.86\00:23:56.83
they don't know what's going on?
00:23:56.87\00:23:59.67
What is the program
that's bringing them here?
00:23:59.70\00:24:01.70
The United Nations are
actually relocates refugees.
00:24:01.74\00:24:05.91
They are from
war-torn communities
00:24:05.94\00:24:08.21
or communities that are going
through religious persecution.
00:24:08.24\00:24:13.01
Our first group of
refugees were Bhutanese,
00:24:13.05\00:24:16.02
who have been driven out of
Bhutan by the king, no less.
00:24:16.05\00:24:19.09
He did an ethnic cleansing
00:24:19.12\00:24:20.46
of all Christians and
Hindus in his country,
00:24:20.49\00:24:23.22
he wanted only a
Buddhist country.
00:24:23.26\00:24:25.59
And so they fled to Nepal,
00:24:25.63\00:24:27.46
where they had
lived in refugee camps
00:24:27.50\00:24:29.03
for 15 to 18 years,
and really in squalor,
00:24:29.06\00:24:33.23
and finally the United Nations
00:24:33.27\00:24:35.80
got involved and relocated them.
00:24:35.84\00:24:38.87
And they were one
of the first groups
00:24:38.91\00:24:40.91
that God gave us the
privilege of working with.
00:24:40.94\00:24:45.21
Many of them
completely illiterate
00:24:45.25\00:24:46.75
even in their mother tongue.
00:24:46.78\00:24:48.95
So it's very difficult
for them to learn English
00:24:48.98\00:24:51.85
and really get
established in America.
00:24:51.89\00:24:54.82
Yes, so now when they come here,
00:24:54.86\00:24:57.03
are they here for certain
period of time or is there?
00:24:57.06\00:25:00.56
They are permanent here.
00:25:00.60\00:25:01.93
All right, they
are permanent here.
00:25:01.96\00:25:03.30
They are legal residence,
they are able to work,
00:25:03.33\00:25:05.37
they are able to get jobs.
00:25:05.40\00:25:07.20
What holds them back of
course, is the language.
00:25:07.24\00:25:11.07
If you can't speak English,
00:25:11.11\00:25:12.44
there's very few jobs
that you can really do.
00:25:12.47\00:25:16.24
So when you first started
ministering to the refugees,
00:25:16.28\00:25:20.38
what were the projects
that you were putting forth?
00:25:20.42\00:25:24.79
Well, we began to teach
them English and job skills.
00:25:24.82\00:25:30.59
We found they really
struggled with depression.
00:25:30.63\00:25:33.70
You know, I mean,
00:25:33.73\00:25:35.06
you stop and think
what they've been through.
00:25:35.10\00:25:36.43
Yes.
00:25:36.46\00:25:37.80
They've been
driven from their home,
00:25:37.83\00:25:39.47
they've lost
everything they have,
00:25:39.50\00:25:41.14
many of their
families been killed,
00:25:41.17\00:25:43.51
and they've come to America
00:25:43.54\00:25:45.57
where they have been
given this false picture
00:25:45.61\00:25:49.01
that America is a land
full of milk and honey,
00:25:49.04\00:25:51.28
and they will have
everything just given to them.
00:25:51.31\00:25:52.75
Yes.
00:25:52.78\00:25:54.12
And they get here
and it's not that way.
00:25:54.15\00:25:56.05
They have to work,
they have to work hard.
00:25:56.08\00:25:58.79
And a lot of them got depressed,
00:25:58.82\00:26:01.39
and we remember
there was a little lady
00:26:01.42\00:26:03.43
once who wrote a statement
00:26:03.46\00:26:04.79
that if you get
your hands in the soil
00:26:04.83\00:26:07.60
it's therapeutic
to the mind and body.
00:26:07.63\00:26:10.67
And we believe
that message is from God
00:26:10.70\00:26:13.30
and we've chose to follow that,
and we found it really worked.
00:26:13.34\00:26:17.67
As we open a
community garden up to them,
00:26:17.71\00:26:19.67
they start working and
they dig out on that garden
00:26:19.71\00:26:21.98
and started
chattering and singing
00:26:22.01\00:26:24.28
and the depression lifted
00:26:24.31\00:26:25.65
and they were
happy and cheerful,
00:26:25.68\00:26:28.02
and able to learn.
00:26:28.05\00:26:29.82
And God has just
really, really blessed them.
00:26:29.85\00:26:32.85
So besides the Bhutanese,
00:26:32.89\00:26:34.66
who else are you ministering to?
00:26:34.69\00:26:36.12
What people groups?
00:26:36.16\00:26:37.49
Many different people groups.
00:26:37.53\00:26:39.36
In fact, now I'm
translating church into eight,
00:26:39.39\00:26:41.83
seven languages every Sabbath.
00:26:41.86\00:26:43.20
Oh, my.
00:26:43.23\00:26:44.57
We have Arabic, we have
French, we have the Bhutanese,
00:26:44.60\00:26:47.50
we have
Laotians, we have a French,
00:26:47.54\00:26:51.31
Spanish, Swahili, Kinyarwanda,
00:26:51.34\00:26:55.04
many, many
different language groups.
00:26:55.08\00:26:56.78
It doesn't really matter
what language group it is,
00:26:56.81\00:26:59.51
they're there to learn English.
00:26:59.55\00:27:00.88
Amen.
00:27:00.92\00:27:02.25
And so on we're helping them
and ministering to Africans,
00:27:02.28\00:27:06.12
and Asians, and
in Arabic nations.
00:27:06.15\00:27:09.89
It's just amazing
what God is doing.
00:27:09.92\00:27:11.83
And how many
refugees are you working with,
00:27:11.86\00:27:14.66
kind of, do you
have a certain number
00:27:14.70\00:27:17.27
that you're working with?
00:27:17.30\00:27:18.63
Well, it keeps
growing constantly.
00:27:18.67\00:27:20.00
We try to keep our classes small
00:27:20.04\00:27:22.70
so that we can give
individual attention,
00:27:22.74\00:27:24.97
but as they learn English
and they start getting jobs,
00:27:25.01\00:27:28.14
we're still working with them.
00:27:28.18\00:27:29.81
We have helped over
100 families get jobs
00:27:29.84\00:27:32.61
and become self-sufficient.
00:27:32.65\00:27:34.82
You know, and our number
00:27:34.85\00:27:37.89
that is probably
around 200 families right now
00:27:37.92\00:27:40.12
that we're really
actively touching.
00:27:40.16\00:27:42.79
Now how large is your church?
00:27:42.82\00:27:45.33
We have 850 members. All right.
00:27:45.36\00:27:47.86
It's a good size church,
00:27:47.90\00:27:49.23
A good size
church which would take,
00:27:49.26\00:27:52.83
but still you've
got a strong percentage
00:27:52.87\00:27:56.30
of your people are very active
00:27:56.34\00:27:57.91
if you're doing
all of these projects.
00:27:57.94\00:28:00.18
Yes, we have over 125
volunteers working every week.
00:28:00.21\00:28:04.25
Glory to God.
00:28:04.28\00:28:05.61
That is very
exciting, that's exciting.
00:28:05.65\00:28:08.28
One is as old as 99 years old.
00:28:08.32\00:28:11.39
With these refugees,
00:28:11.42\00:28:12.99
how many are Christians
of other denominations
00:28:13.02\00:28:15.62
and how many are
other world religions?
00:28:15.66\00:28:19.26
We have
Buddhists, we have Hindu,
00:28:19.29\00:28:20.86
we have Muslims as
well as other Christians.
00:28:20.90\00:28:25.53
We don't, we don't even
try to decide or decipher
00:28:25.57\00:28:29.47
what they are, we're there
just loving them as they are
00:28:29.50\00:28:32.84
and many of them choose
to start coming to church
00:28:32.87\00:28:35.71
and being part of our family.
00:28:35.74\00:28:37.65
We just want to be their family.
00:28:37.68\00:28:40.55
And how did
Peter become involved
00:28:40.58\00:28:43.92
in your refugee project?
00:28:43.95\00:28:46.05
Peter actually
lived in Washington State
00:28:46.09\00:28:48.06
and he came down
00:28:48.09\00:28:49.42
because he had
heard about our ministry
00:28:49.46\00:28:50.83
and heard that
there was a lot of
00:28:50.86\00:28:52.53
Arabic speaking
refugees coming there,
00:28:52.56\00:28:55.13
and he came down to
see what was happening.
00:28:55.16\00:28:57.20
So, Peter, what
are you doing now
00:28:57.23\00:28:59.40
at the Paradise Valley Church?
00:28:59.43\00:29:01.90
Well, my focus
is that the Muslims,
00:29:01.94\00:29:04.67
the Arabic speaking
Muslims who live in San Diego.
00:29:04.71\00:29:08.08
You know that the
population of Muslim
00:29:08.11\00:29:09.71
now in the world
is about 1.7 billion.
00:29:09.74\00:29:11.91
Yes.
00:29:11.95\00:29:13.28
And out of that we have a
100,000 to 150,000 Muslims
00:29:13.31\00:29:17.59
who live in San Diego.
00:29:17.62\00:29:19.09
We have 100,000 to
150,000 of Chaldeans
00:29:19.12\00:29:22.19
who live in El Cajon,
which is a nearby city.
00:29:22.22\00:29:25.63
And so I came to work
with the Muslim population,
00:29:25.66\00:29:29.03
you know, because
I grew up in Iraq,
00:29:29.06\00:29:31.43
I know the culture,
I know the language,
00:29:31.47\00:29:34.80
I have been
immersed in Islamic study
00:29:34.84\00:29:37.31
so to speak from the
time I was young, you know.
00:29:37.34\00:29:40.61
So it wasn't
something strange to me,
00:29:40.64\00:29:43.98
but I love the people.
00:29:44.01\00:29:45.51
So I began to reach out to them
00:29:45.55\00:29:47.42
and what helped is
that Paradise Valley,
00:29:47.45\00:29:49.62
already have a feeding program.
00:29:49.65\00:29:51.45
So we start
carrying stuff to them
00:29:51.49\00:29:53.46
and caring for them
or providing for them,
00:29:53.49\00:29:55.29
as a result we became friends.
00:29:55.32\00:29:57.66
So today, I have
about 35 families
00:29:57.69\00:30:00.70
that I'm in excellent
relationship with them.
00:30:00.73\00:30:04.47
You know, I visit
them at their home.
00:30:04.50\00:30:06.57
They have gone
through our English school.
00:30:06.60\00:30:11.51
If they-- Somebody
is sick they call me.
00:30:11.54\00:30:13.58
If somebody... If
they're gonna have a baby.
00:30:13.61\00:30:15.34
They'd call me to
go to the hospital
00:30:15.38\00:30:17.11
and visit and have a prayer.
00:30:17.15\00:30:19.51
In every area of their life,
00:30:19.55\00:30:21.18
you know, they
include me, so they call.
00:30:21.22\00:30:23.28
And I include them in activities
00:30:23.32\00:30:24.95
that we have in
the church as well.
00:30:24.99\00:30:27.12
So when we have a new birth,
00:30:27.16\00:30:28.76
I'll arrange for them
to have baby dedication.
00:30:28.79\00:30:31.59
So they will experience.
You know they don't mind.
00:30:31.63\00:30:33.70
Muslims, they don't mind prayer
00:30:33.73\00:30:35.06
because they want
their children to be blessed.
00:30:35.10\00:30:37.97
They want their children
to live in an environment
00:30:38.00\00:30:40.14
where there would be no
hatred, no anger, none of that.
00:30:40.17\00:30:43.30
They have the
same needs as we do.
00:30:43.34\00:30:45.41
So when you reach out to them
00:30:45.44\00:30:46.81
and they see that
you really care for them,
00:30:46.84\00:30:49.28
then they respond.
00:30:49.31\00:30:50.95
I've given out more
Bibles to this group
00:30:50.98\00:30:53.21
than any other group because...
00:30:53.25\00:30:54.58
You-- Wait a minute.
00:30:54.62\00:30:55.95
You're saying you're giving out
00:30:55.98\00:30:57.32
more Bibles to the
Muslims than any other group?
00:30:57.35\00:30:58.92
Really? So...
00:30:58.95\00:31:00.29
Because they want to
know what does the Bible says.
00:31:00.32\00:31:03.39
And I know the Quran and
I read the Quran with them
00:31:03.43\00:31:06.93
when I visit them at their home.
00:31:06.96\00:31:08.86
And I us the verses in the Quran
00:31:08.90\00:31:11.03
that talks about Jesus
00:31:11.07\00:31:12.63
to refer them to the
Old and the New Testament
00:31:12.67\00:31:15.47
and they are very receptive.
00:31:15.50\00:31:16.84
There's no problem with that.
00:31:16.87\00:31:19.07
You know, so they
are-- their openness
00:31:19.11\00:31:20.94
and they know
we care about them.
00:31:20.98\00:31:22.84
We are not trying
to convert them per se,
00:31:22.88\00:31:25.11
but we're trying to
help them understand
00:31:25.15\00:31:27.68
that there's a bigger picture
00:31:27.72\00:31:29.38
and for them to
see the bigger picture,
00:31:29.42\00:31:31.09
they have to go
to the Old Testament
00:31:31.12\00:31:32.75
and the New
Testament and read it.
00:31:32.79\00:31:34.72
So many times I get
them involved in three books
00:31:34.76\00:31:38.03
to study together in our
study and interaction with them.
00:31:38.06\00:31:42.23
So it's been very, very
enjoyable time with them
00:31:42.26\00:31:44.93
and I really appreciate
00:31:44.97\00:31:47.24
the friendship that I
have with them, you know.
00:31:47.27\00:31:49.97
So tell us a little about
the effect this is having?
00:31:50.01\00:31:56.24
Do you have any one that is
interested in converting in?
00:31:56.28\00:31:59.05
You have been
doing this for a year?
00:31:59.08\00:32:01.18
Well, no, I've been
there about three years now.
00:32:01.22\00:32:02.98
Oh, three years,
okay. Three years.
00:32:03.02\00:32:04.85
And, you know,
we began gradually
00:32:04.89\00:32:07.26
and now we have
about 35 families
00:32:07.29\00:32:09.52
that we are actually involved.
00:32:09.56\00:32:11.39
You know, for me, as I see
00:32:11.43\00:32:13.66
how God is
working in their life.
00:32:13.70\00:32:15.50
For example, one
man, he told me the story.
00:32:15.53\00:32:19.20
He...
00:32:19.23\00:32:20.57
They had to, as a refugee,
00:32:20.60\00:32:22.64
he has to run
away from his country,
00:32:22.67\00:32:24.41
Muslim country to
another country, okay.
00:32:24.44\00:32:27.48
Now when he arrived
to this new country,
00:32:27.51\00:32:29.44
he did not have
the proper papers,
00:32:29.48\00:32:32.81
so he was kind of illegal.
00:32:32.85\00:32:36.08
Sooner or later
they arrested him
00:32:36.12\00:32:38.29
and because he
didn't have proper papers,
00:32:38.32\00:32:40.49
they put him in prison
00:32:40.52\00:32:41.86
and they were gonna
deport him back to his country.
00:32:41.89\00:32:45.16
Now he came
across to this nation
00:32:45.19\00:32:47.96
with his wife and
two of his kids, okay.
00:32:48.00\00:32:51.70
And he knew that
if he should go back,
00:32:51.73\00:32:53.67
his life will be a threat,
00:32:53.70\00:32:55.04
plus he would be separated
00:32:55.07\00:32:56.40
from his family
for probably forever.
00:32:56.44\00:32:58.57
So it was a big concern for him.
00:32:58.61\00:33:00.61
So they held them for a week
00:33:00.64\00:33:02.04
and two, a month, a
month and a half went by
00:33:02.08\00:33:05.11
and they are in the process
00:33:05.15\00:33:06.68
of doing the
papers to export him.
00:33:06.72\00:33:09.18
But then, while he was
sitting in that prison cell,
00:33:09.22\00:33:13.19
one day he looked at the
door and right by the door
00:33:13.22\00:33:16.32
somebody have carved a cross
00:33:16.36\00:33:19.13
and he looked at that
cross and he told me that,
00:33:19.16\00:33:22.13
the thing came to his mind
at that moment was to pray.
00:33:22.16\00:33:26.03
But he didn't know how to pray.
00:33:26.07\00:33:27.77
He didn't know how to pray
the right prayer he thought.
00:33:27.80\00:33:31.01
But he looked at the
cross and all he could remember
00:33:31.04\00:33:34.04
and know to say was, the
God of the cross help me.
00:33:34.08\00:33:39.08
He said, after he said that,
in matter of two or three days,
00:33:39.11\00:33:42.88
he was let out of the prison.
00:33:42.92\00:33:44.45
They set him free.
00:33:44.49\00:33:45.82
Though his papers were
illegal, they let him free.
00:33:45.85\00:33:48.62
They said, you go,
you're free to go to your wife.
00:33:48.66\00:33:51.76
And when he was set
free, then a few days later
00:33:51.79\00:33:54.00
the United Nation called in
00:33:54.03\00:33:55.36
and said, your papers are
ready to leave to the U.S.
00:33:55.40\00:33:58.23
and he came here
and joined us here.
00:33:58.27\00:34:00.84
And he hears many
stories like that.
00:34:00.87\00:34:02.87
That you know, that
God is working already.
00:34:02.90\00:34:05.44
God is preparing the souls.
00:34:05.47\00:34:06.81
So we just pray that the
Lord will bring us people
00:34:06.84\00:34:09.38
that we can plant
more seeds in their heart.
00:34:09.41\00:34:12.31
As a result, we
have one family who--
00:34:12.35\00:34:15.98
I really can't go
into more details,
00:34:16.02\00:34:17.95
but I say that God's
spirit is working on many hearts
00:34:17.99\00:34:21.29
that we don't realize.
00:34:21.32\00:34:24.16
And sometimes, when
I'm checking in churches
00:34:24.19\00:34:26.76
and ask them, have
you ever noticed a lady
00:34:26.80\00:34:29.60
covered head
walking in the street?
00:34:29.63\00:34:31.27
What is your
reaction to that person
00:34:31.30\00:34:33.13
when you see them?
00:34:33.17\00:34:34.50
Most people tell me,
00:34:34.54\00:34:35.87
oh, I cross the street
00:34:35.90\00:34:37.27
or I will go
the other direction.
00:34:37.31\00:34:39.51
They avoid this person.
00:34:39.54\00:34:40.88
I said, well, do you know
00:34:40.91\00:34:42.24
or do you think that this woman,
00:34:42.28\00:34:43.61
God has already
been working with her.
00:34:43.65\00:34:45.08
And she will be receptive
00:34:45.11\00:34:46.95
if you should stop
and communicate with her.
00:34:46.98\00:34:49.65
So I encourage people
to make contact with people
00:34:49.68\00:34:53.39
because God is working
in the lives of people.
00:34:53.42\00:34:55.96
And you know that 90 percent
00:34:55.99\00:34:58.09
of people learning
about Jesus is through dreams.
00:34:58.13\00:35:00.96
90 percent of the Muslim, yes.
00:35:01.00\00:35:02.33
The Muslim world, yes. Yes.
00:35:02.36\00:35:03.70
It's the dreams.
00:35:03.73\00:35:05.07
And we have
experiences like that as well.
00:35:05.10\00:35:07.44
So God is alive.
00:35:07.47\00:35:08.80
He's working because they
are the children of Abraham.
00:35:08.84\00:35:13.44
And there's a classic
scripture in the Bible.
00:35:13.48\00:35:17.21
It's in Luke 13:16.
00:35:17.25\00:35:19.21
And here Jesus
have healed the woman
00:35:19.25\00:35:21.95
and He was criticized
00:35:21.98\00:35:23.59
for healing a
woman on the Sabbath day.
00:35:23.62\00:35:25.99
Then He turned to the
accusers and He said to them,
00:35:26.02\00:35:29.99
"Shouldn't a daughter
of Abraham be set free,
00:35:30.03\00:35:35.10
who's been set, who is in bound,
00:35:35.13\00:35:37.67
who Satan has bound her.
00:35:37.70\00:35:39.33
Set free on the Sabbath day."
00:35:39.37\00:35:41.50
And I take the
scripture to be very--
00:35:41.54\00:35:43.81
How would I say?
00:35:43.84\00:35:45.17
A message for us as
Seventh-day Adventist
00:35:45.21\00:35:47.31
because Muslims are
the children of Abraham.
00:35:47.34\00:35:49.91
Okay.
00:35:49.94\00:35:51.28
And this lady that you see
00:35:51.31\00:35:53.15
in the street
covered or in the market,
00:35:53.18\00:35:55.38
she is the daughter of Abraham.
00:35:55.42\00:35:58.45
Shouldn't she be set
free from her worries,
00:35:58.49\00:36:01.52
her concerns, her uncertainty?
00:36:01.56\00:36:06.16
Life is changing
constantly with them,
00:36:06.19\00:36:08.50
they fear, and
anxiety they have.
00:36:08.53\00:36:10.80
And then shouldn't that,
00:36:10.83\00:36:13.37
setting people or
giving them the freedom,
00:36:13.40\00:36:16.60
shouldn't that be done
by Seventh-day Adventist
00:36:16.64\00:36:18.41
because it's
done on the Sabbath.
00:36:18.44\00:36:19.77
To be that means that,
we as Seventh-day Adventist
00:36:19.81\00:36:23.28
are the only one who
can help those individuals
00:36:23.31\00:36:27.35
to be set free
from their bondage.
00:36:27.38\00:36:29.32
Well, we know that,
00:36:29.35\00:36:31.49
have enough
exposure to ministries
00:36:31.52\00:36:34.49
that work with the
Muslims to know that
00:36:34.52\00:36:36.96
most Muslims think
of Christians as being--
00:36:36.99\00:36:40.13
When you use the word Christian,
00:36:40.16\00:36:41.56
they are thinking
that you are pork eating,
00:36:41.60\00:36:44.27
idol worshiping,
alcohol drinking person.
00:36:44.30\00:36:49.40
They associate that with
Catholicism and the crusades.
00:36:49.44\00:36:53.21
But, I do believe, you
know, we don't often think of
00:36:53.24\00:36:57.81
or speak of Muslims also
being children of Abraham.
00:36:57.85\00:37:01.92
We think of the Jews,
we think of Christians,
00:37:01.95\00:37:04.39
but they also are
children of Abraham.
00:37:04.42\00:37:07.42
And I do believe
we are uniquely--
00:37:07.46\00:37:09.52
As a Seventh-day Adventist
00:37:09.56\00:37:10.89
we're uniquely positioned
to minister to the Jews.
00:37:10.93\00:37:14.36
We are uniquely positioned
to minister to Muslims.
00:37:14.40\00:37:18.00
And so our time
is coming down here.
00:37:18.03\00:37:21.30
But I did want--
You mentioned to me
00:37:21.34\00:37:22.97
that there is
one family that is,
00:37:23.00\00:37:25.74
at the point of conversion,
00:37:25.77\00:37:27.14
who is also, they
are giving Bible studies
00:37:27.18\00:37:29.68
and getting others
interested in Bible studies.
00:37:29.71\00:37:32.75
So it all basically
begins with that bond of love,
00:37:32.78\00:37:37.42
showing that you care
00:37:37.45\00:37:39.32
and this is for
all of your ministries.
00:37:39.35\00:37:42.22
Now you're
feeding, how many pounds?
00:37:42.26\00:37:46.56
11,000 pounds a week.
00:37:46.59\00:37:48.50
11,000 pounds a week
00:37:48.53\00:37:50.27
is going through
your Foods Ministry.
00:37:50.30\00:37:53.97
You are
teaching these immigrants
00:37:54.00\00:37:57.04
how to speak English.
00:37:57.07\00:37:58.61
35 hours a week
00:37:58.64\00:37:59.97
English language and
job training classes.
00:38:00.01\00:38:02.24
Five days a week. 35
hours a week you are doing.
00:38:02.28\00:38:04.85
That's amazing.
00:38:04.88\00:38:07.25
And you have got your
church so involved that--
00:38:07.28\00:38:12.95
Do you think that your members
are drawing near to the Lord
00:38:12.99\00:38:17.59
because of their
involvement with this ministry?
00:38:17.63\00:38:19.86
Our church is much,
much more spiritual today.
00:38:19.89\00:38:23.06
Praise God. And
much more active for God.
00:38:23.10\00:38:25.37
And it has truly
changed our church for good.
00:38:25.40\00:38:28.37
Amen.
00:38:28.40\00:38:29.74
What's your vision
for the future, pastor?
00:38:29.77\00:38:32.67
Just to be
faithful to what God calls.
00:38:32.71\00:38:34.61
He keeps opening new doors.
00:38:34.64\00:38:37.05
I mean, this Muslim ministry
is a new ministry for us.
00:38:37.08\00:38:40.42
Yes.
00:38:40.45\00:38:42.05
Everything we have done
has just been, being faithful
00:38:42.08\00:38:44.19
to what God has called us to do.
00:38:44.22\00:38:45.95
And as He opens the
new door, we step through.
00:38:45.99\00:38:48.86
I don't know
where He's leading us.
00:38:48.89\00:38:51.23
I don't know
what the next step is.
00:38:51.26\00:38:53.50
I'm beginning to get a feeling
00:38:53.53\00:38:55.00
that we've got a Farsi language
beginning to come to us.
00:38:55.03\00:38:58.73
And so that we,
00:38:58.77\00:39:00.10
an eighth language
for us to translate.
00:39:00.14\00:39:02.40
And, you know, we
just want to be faithful.
00:39:02.44\00:39:05.51
Amen.
00:39:05.54\00:39:06.88
Well, and you are translating
your services right now
00:39:06.91\00:39:09.01
in eight different languages?
00:39:09.04\00:39:10.38
Seven
languages. Seven languages.
00:39:10.41\00:39:11.75
That will be the eight.
Soon to be eighth probably.
00:39:11.78\00:39:13.35
Soon to be eighth.
00:39:13.38\00:39:14.92
I believe that the
Paradise Valley Church
00:39:14.95\00:39:18.72
and what you and your
church members are doing--
00:39:18.75\00:39:21.66
What a role model
to the rest of us.
00:39:21.69\00:39:24.96
You know, we may not
have refugees in our area,
00:39:24.99\00:39:27.50
but we have people
who abound by Satan,
00:39:27.53\00:39:29.66
who need to know the truth,
00:39:29.70\00:39:32.03
and if all churches
could just be activated.
00:39:32.07\00:39:35.67
If we would get off the pews
00:39:35.70\00:39:37.41
and get out and
reach the community,
00:39:37.44\00:39:39.61
we will speed up the
process of Jesus returns.
00:39:39.64\00:39:42.24
We must, we must have a ministry
00:39:42.28\00:39:43.61
that has called us
to and prepared us for
00:39:43.65\00:39:45.78
and gifted us
for that we're doing.
00:39:45.81\00:39:47.92
It's not enough
just we coming to church
00:39:47.95\00:39:50.92
and going through
the motions of church.
00:39:50.95\00:39:55.29
You know, you are
501s Friendships for Hope.
00:39:55.32\00:39:57.89
Is that 501 (c) (3) Organization
00:39:57.93\00:40:00.83
and so you can take donations.
00:40:00.86\00:40:03.87
If there are those
of you who are at home,
00:40:03.90\00:40:06.13
who feel like the
Lord is telling you that
00:40:06.17\00:40:09.14
or maybe the Holy
Spirit is moving upon you
00:40:09.17\00:40:11.41
that you would like
to support this ministry,
00:40:11.44\00:40:13.68
you can go to
Friendships, with an S,
00:40:13.71\00:40:17.25
FriendshipsForHope.org.
00:40:17.28\00:40:20.68
And perhaps your
church would like to model
00:40:20.72\00:40:23.69
what the Paradise
Valley Church is doing.
00:40:23.72\00:40:26.55
I just want to thank
you, Pastor Will James.
00:40:26.59\00:40:28.56
For everything that--
It's been a privilege.
00:40:28.59\00:40:31.23
Well, just not
for being here today,
00:40:31.26\00:40:32.79
but for following God's leading.
00:40:32.83\00:40:34.53
And, Peter, thank you so
much for what you're doing.
00:40:34.56\00:40:37.13
And may God bless you richly
as you continue to do His work.
00:40:37.17\00:40:40.94
Thank you. Thank you.
00:40:40.97\00:40:44.97
What a great interview.
00:40:45.01\00:40:46.37
Usually, Shelley Quinn
00:40:46.41\00:40:47.78
does the vast
majority of our interviews
00:40:47.81\00:40:49.91
at a General
Conference or at ASI.
00:40:49.94\00:40:52.11
But there were
so many ministries
00:40:52.15\00:40:53.75
that we wanted to contact
00:40:53.78\00:40:55.12
and so many people
that had so many good things
00:40:55.15\00:40:57.59
to say about the
works of the Lord,
00:40:57.62\00:40:59.09
that we had to
sort of spread ourselves
00:40:59.12\00:41:00.59
a little thinner this time.
00:41:00.62\00:41:01.96
John Lomacang
did some interviews.
00:41:01.99\00:41:03.63
Danny Shelton
did some interviews.
00:41:03.66\00:41:04.99
Jill Morikone also
did some interviews
00:41:05.03\00:41:07.03
along with Shelley Quinn.
00:41:07.06\00:41:09.20
We sent Jill out to
talk with Nathan Greene,
00:41:09.23\00:41:11.83
that name ought to be
familiar to many of you.
00:41:11.87\00:41:14.47
He is dare I say, a
world renowned painter,
00:41:14.50\00:41:18.41
an Adventist painter has
done some beautiful paintings.
00:41:18.44\00:41:21.44
So we ask Jill to go out
00:41:21.48\00:41:22.81
and just speak with
them just a little bit
00:41:22.84\00:41:24.18
and bring back a
report, bring back a story.
00:41:24.21\00:41:27.02
Usually, when
someone has great art,
00:41:27.05\00:41:29.75
be a music or song, painting,
00:41:29.78\00:41:33.39
there is a story
behind each offering.
00:41:33.42\00:41:35.96
And of course,
with Nathan Greene
00:41:35.99\00:41:37.63
that is no exception.
00:41:37.66\00:41:39.39
He has great material,
00:41:39.43\00:41:41.13
he's a beautiful
painter and there is a story
00:41:41.16\00:41:43.03
that goes along with
some of those paintings
00:41:43.06\00:41:44.57
and we sent Jill out
00:41:44.60\00:41:45.93
to speak with him
and talk with him.
00:41:45.97\00:41:47.40
We sent her to his
exhibit which was quite large
00:41:47.44\00:41:50.07
and elaborate at
General Conference.
00:41:50.11\00:41:51.64
And he told us
a little bit about
00:41:51.67\00:41:53.01
why he paints, how he paints,
00:41:53.04\00:41:54.94
the motivation
behind his paintings
00:41:54.98\00:41:56.98
and the story that
lies behind each offering
00:41:57.01\00:41:59.88
that he makes not
only to the world,
00:41:59.91\00:42:02.25
but to the cause of Christ.
00:42:02.28\00:42:03.85
You'll like this interview.
00:42:03.89\00:42:05.55
I'm standing here with,
with painter Nathan Greene.
00:42:05.59\00:42:09.06
And, Nathan, it's such
a joy to have you here.
00:42:09.09\00:42:11.39
Thank you very much.
00:42:11.43\00:42:12.86
We're standing in
front of his booth.
00:42:12.89\00:42:14.60
You can see your
paintings behind here,
00:42:14.63\00:42:16.40
but before we get to
some of the paintings
00:42:16.43\00:42:17.93
that you have on display here.
00:42:17.97\00:42:19.30
How long have you been
painting professionally
00:42:19.33\00:42:21.04
and where did you
attend art school?
00:42:21.07\00:42:22.97
Sure, I have been
painting professionally
00:42:23.00\00:42:24.61
for 31, almost 32 years now.
00:42:24.64\00:42:27.38
I attended art school
00:42:27.41\00:42:28.74
at the American
Academy of Art in Chicago.
00:42:28.78\00:42:31.05
But really, my mother was a
landscape painter as a hobby
00:42:31.08\00:42:35.08
and that's what
got me interested,
00:42:35.12\00:42:36.55
probably at age five.
00:42:36.58\00:42:37.92
So I've been drawing and
painting ever since then.
00:42:37.95\00:42:40.06
So it's a natural God given gift
00:42:40.09\00:42:42.06
from the beginning
and then you developed it?
00:42:42.09\00:42:44.09
I think God definitely gives
00:42:44.13\00:42:45.89
gifts of
creativity in different ways.
00:42:45.93\00:42:48.33
And for me, it was
probably partially genetics,
00:42:48.36\00:42:51.67
but it was also
lots of practice.
00:42:51.70\00:42:53.64
You know, it's like
learning a musical instrument.
00:42:53.67\00:42:55.47
If the more you
practice, the better you get.
00:42:55.50\00:42:57.34
Yeah. And that's for sure.
00:42:57.37\00:42:58.71
Now we have several paintings
behind us here in the booth.
00:42:58.74\00:43:01.01
There's a large one
right in the middle,
00:43:01.04\00:43:03.24
a beautiful one of Jesus
right at the resurrection.
00:43:03.28\00:43:05.91
Tell me about that painting.
00:43:05.95\00:43:07.28
Well, that painting,
this is kind of unique,
00:43:07.32\00:43:09.18
this particular GC
00:43:09.22\00:43:11.19
because I have
three originals with me,
00:43:11.22\00:43:13.42
that's the most recent painting,
00:43:13.46\00:43:15.16
I finished it
about two months ago
00:43:15.19\00:43:17.16
and it's a depiction of
the resurrection of Christ.
00:43:17.19\00:43:19.96
That something I've
always wanted to do.
00:43:20.00\00:43:22.10
And I tried to make it unique.
00:43:22.13\00:43:24.83
In that you see an angel
putting the robe on Christ,
00:43:24.87\00:43:28.60
something I've
never seen done before.
00:43:28.64\00:43:30.97
So I thought this would be a
special unique to portray it.
00:43:31.01\00:43:34.08
Amen.
00:43:34.11\00:43:35.44
And you have the
guards falling down around.
00:43:35.48\00:43:38.31
Yeah, that was
part of the fun for me
00:43:38.35\00:43:39.88
because I like
to collect costume
00:43:39.91\00:43:42.72
and Roman armor and fact.
00:43:42.75\00:43:45.29
If you know Dick
Steinberg and he and I happened
00:43:45.32\00:43:47.66
to eat lunch
together the other day.
00:43:47.69\00:43:49.49
And we were
comparing notes for our sources
00:43:49.52\00:43:51.86
for Roman armor and
chain mail and swords
00:43:52.86\00:43:54.36
and it's become
kind of a side hobby
00:43:54.40\00:43:57.17
for me to study
Roman military history.
00:43:57.20\00:44:00.74
That's wonderful.
00:44:00.77\00:44:02.10
Now how long did
this painting take you?
00:44:02.14\00:44:03.94
And how long would be
paintings take on average?
00:44:03.97\00:44:06.17
On average there are three
or four months per painting,
00:44:06.21\00:44:08.81
but this painting
took a little longer,
00:44:08.84\00:44:10.55
about six months all together.
00:44:10.58\00:44:12.41
Four months of painting time,
00:44:12.45\00:44:13.95
about two months of
preparation time, so--
00:44:13.98\00:44:16.92
That's
incredible. It's a long time.
00:44:16.95\00:44:18.45
You know, when we look at it,
00:44:18.49\00:44:19.82
we think, oh,
Nathan Greene is gifted.
00:44:19.85\00:44:21.59
He just puts a
few things up there,
00:44:21.62\00:44:23.12
but it's time, it's tedious.
00:44:23.16\00:44:24.76
It's tedious.
00:44:24.79\00:44:26.13
Tell me is it,
is it frustrating,
00:44:26.16\00:44:28.16
is it
exhilarating, is it relaxing,
00:44:28.20\00:44:30.33
how do you feel when you paint?
00:44:30.37\00:44:31.70
I think all of the above
00:44:31.73\00:44:33.07
would probably the
best answer to that.
00:44:33.10\00:44:34.97
I really love what I do.
00:44:35.00\00:44:36.37
There are definitely
times where it can be tedious,
00:44:36.40\00:44:38.81
it can a little frustrating.
00:44:38.84\00:44:40.31
The most
challenging thing I ever do
00:44:40.34\00:44:42.74
is painting the face of Christ
00:44:42.78\00:44:44.81
because I know I'm
trying to take a human model
00:44:44.85\00:44:47.88
and make him look
divine, and also show compassion
00:44:47.92\00:44:51.35
and his love for humanity
and it's hard to do that.
00:44:51.39\00:44:54.29
Sometimes I paint the
face over and over and over
00:44:54.32\00:44:57.16
until I feel it's right.
00:44:57.19\00:44:58.69
In fact, the painting of
the paralytic at Bethesda,
00:44:58.73\00:45:01.60
I painted Jesus face over
11 times before I kept it.
00:45:01.63\00:45:05.83
Oh, do you use the same model
of Jesus always or different?
00:45:05.87\00:45:09.17
I've had two models
over the last 25 years or so.
00:45:09.20\00:45:12.41
The first one
for about 10 years.
00:45:12.44\00:45:14.04
The current one
for about 14 years, 15.
00:45:14.08\00:45:18.51
Jesus was 30 to 33
during His ministry
00:45:18.55\00:45:21.32
and models they
grew older and change.
00:45:21.35\00:45:23.45
Yes, it's true.
00:45:23.49\00:45:24.82
So I have to, you know,
00:45:24.85\00:45:26.19
I'm soon gonna need to
find another model, so, yeah.
00:45:26.22\00:45:28.69
That make sense.
00:45:28.72\00:45:30.06
Now at the far end
you have a painting here
00:45:30.09\00:45:31.76
and it's done in a hospital.
00:45:31.79\00:45:33.40
Jesus touching the nurse.
00:45:33.43\00:45:34.76
Tell me about
that painting. Yes.
00:45:34.80\00:45:36.13
Well, years ago when I
was 29, I'm bit older now.
00:45:36.16\00:45:39.13
But, when I was
29 I did a painting
00:45:39.17\00:45:41.30
that most people
are familiar with,
00:45:41.34\00:45:43.17
it's called Chief
of the Medical Staff.
00:45:43.20\00:45:45.07
I love that painting.
00:45:45.11\00:45:46.44
Christ. Thank you.
00:45:46.47\00:45:47.81
Christ is guarding
the hand of the surgeon
00:45:47.84\00:45:49.68
and I get more
feedback from that painting
00:45:49.71\00:45:51.91
probably from any
other that I have done.
00:45:51.95\00:45:54.15
And it's crossed all
denominational boundaries.
00:45:54.18\00:45:58.29
So for a number of years though,
00:45:58.32\00:45:59.95
we've had
request to do something
00:45:59.99\00:46:02.02
to honor the
profession of nursing.
00:46:02.06\00:46:04.13
And finally, my publisher
actually commissioned it
00:46:04.16\00:46:06.86
and they will
probably sell the original
00:46:06.90\00:46:08.73
after we've done
prints and cards and things.
00:46:08.76\00:46:12.23
And this is to honor
the profession of nursing.
00:46:12.27\00:46:15.97
You will notice if
you look at the painting
00:46:16.00\00:46:17.81
that Jesus is
not doing the work,
00:46:17.84\00:46:20.31
He's touching the
shoulder of the nurse.
00:46:20.34\00:46:22.21
The nurse is
caring for the patient.
00:46:22.24\00:46:24.68
And I like the
idea that nurses think
00:46:24.71\00:46:26.92
that of themselves
as the hands of Jesus
00:46:26.95\00:46:29.85
when they treat and
care for, for patients.
00:46:29.88\00:46:32.15
Amen.
00:46:32.19\00:46:33.52
There's something else
unique about that painting
00:46:33.56\00:46:35.32
that I'd like to
point out, that the girl,
00:46:35.36\00:46:38.09
this is the nurse is
our new daughter-in-law,
00:46:38.13\00:46:40.10
she married our son Tommy.
00:46:40.13\00:46:42.16
They were married--
00:46:42.20\00:46:43.53
That's special.
Two years ago, yes.
00:46:43.57\00:46:44.90
Now everybody thinks
she's a nurse, she's not.
00:46:44.93\00:46:46.74
She's actually
a graphic designer
00:46:46.77\00:46:48.30
and so is my son.
00:46:48.34\00:46:50.04
But now she is,
you know, in theory
00:46:50.07\00:46:52.14
everybody thinks she's a nurse.
00:46:52.17\00:46:53.51
That is her grandfather
posing as the patient.
00:46:53.54\00:46:56.24
His name is Warren Pop.
00:46:56.28\00:46:57.75
And I pose them together
00:46:57.78\00:47:00.02
because I think there's already
was a strong emotional bond.
00:47:00.05\00:47:03.69
So the look of compassion
on her face, is a natural.
00:47:03.72\00:47:05.89
It's real. It's natural.
00:47:05.92\00:47:07.26
Yeah, it's the real thing. Yes.
00:47:07.29\00:47:08.66
And that's special when
you can put your family.
00:47:08.69\00:47:10.69
Some of your family
in there-- Oh, yeah.
00:47:10.73\00:47:12.06
That is special.
And that happens a lot.
00:47:12.09\00:47:13.43
Yeah, I like to tell
people, we thought we would,
00:47:13.46\00:47:16.03
you know, raise our own
models, that would be cheaper.
00:47:16.06\00:47:18.07
It has not been
cheaper, but my children--
00:47:18.10\00:47:22.17
I've never
appeared in my paintings,
00:47:22.20\00:47:23.54
but my children have all
been in paintings repeatedly.
00:47:23.57\00:47:26.11
Amen. That's wonderful.
00:47:26.14\00:47:27.84
Now we have over here--
00:47:27.88\00:47:29.91
This is a very famous painting.
00:47:29.94\00:47:32.01
This one here
was it commissioned
00:47:32.05\00:47:33.72
for General Conference?
00:47:33.75\00:47:35.08
The one that Jesus
coming in the clouds?
00:47:35.12\00:47:36.58
It was commissioned for the GC
00:47:36.62\00:47:38.32
and unveiled in the Atlanta
General Conference Session
00:47:38.35\00:47:41.62
five years ago.
00:47:41.66\00:47:43.73
The truth is, I wasn't
quite finished with it.
00:47:43.76\00:47:45.86
When it was done
00:47:45.89\00:47:47.23
I was painting
frantically the week of the GC
00:47:47.26\00:47:49.56
where my wife and
kids held down the booth
00:47:49.60\00:47:51.97
and I brought it
the last weekend.
00:47:52.00\00:47:53.34
Mark Finley said,
well, it doesn't matter
00:47:53.37\00:47:55.50
if it's not ready, just
bring it, we'll unveil it.
00:47:55.54\00:47:57.97
But the original
now hangs in the atrium
00:47:58.01\00:48:00.68
of the General
Conference building
00:48:00.71\00:48:02.71
in Silver Springs, Maryland.
00:48:02.74\00:48:04.15
And it's large.
00:48:04.18\00:48:05.51
It's, with the frame
it's nine feet by six feet.
00:48:05.55\00:48:08.15
So--
00:48:08.18\00:48:09.52
I like that about your paintings
00:48:09.55\00:48:10.89
because they each
communicate truth.
00:48:10.92\00:48:12.25
Yes. You know it communicates--
00:48:12.29\00:48:13.96
This one communicates
the Second Coming of Jesus
00:48:13.99\00:48:16.09
and you see that.
00:48:16.12\00:48:17.46
It gives us hope looking--
00:48:17.49\00:48:18.83
We're all looking forward
to the Second Coming of Jesus.
00:48:18.86\00:48:20.63
Yeah. Absolutely.
00:48:20.66\00:48:22.00
So once you have a painting
and it's commissioned and say,
00:48:22.03\00:48:24.17
like you said the
original hangs in the GC,
00:48:24.20\00:48:26.30
then you can make
postcards or cards
00:48:26.33\00:48:29.30
or what happens
with it after that?
00:48:29.34\00:48:31.24
The first thing that happens
when a painting is complete,
00:48:31.27\00:48:33.58
it's shipped to Los
Angeles where we do scans,
00:48:33.61\00:48:36.14
a very high-end scan of it.
00:48:36.18\00:48:37.85
And then it's proofed up
in Walla Walla at Color Press
00:48:37.88\00:48:40.55
and then they can
make prints and postcards
00:48:40.58\00:48:42.85
and then the owner
can receive the original.
00:48:42.88\00:48:46.45
But I want to mention a couple
of things about this painting.
00:48:46.49\00:48:49.16
Again, family
members appear in it,
00:48:49.19\00:48:51.33
but some special stories
00:48:51.36\00:48:53.09
are in that
Second Coming painting.
00:48:53.13\00:48:54.86
There's a little
girl being reunited
00:48:54.90\00:48:56.63
with her parents
in this painting.
00:48:56.67\00:48:58.73
Her name was Christy Grellman.
00:48:58.77\00:49:00.87
Their parents were missionaries
in Sierra Leone, Africa.
00:49:00.90\00:49:05.21
They came back
because Christy became ill
00:49:05.24\00:49:08.04
and they are very
dear friends of ours.
00:49:08.08\00:49:10.15
She passed away when
she was four and half.
00:49:10.18\00:49:12.45
And I did a
portrait of her... I'm sorry.
00:49:12.48\00:49:14.78
Yeah, it was a very sad
especially, for the family.
00:49:14.82\00:49:17.95
And I put them in the painting
being reunited with Christy
00:49:17.99\00:49:21.62
because I wanted
to remind her parents
00:49:21.66\00:49:24.13
that they will see her again.
00:49:24.16\00:49:25.89
And there is...
00:49:25.93\00:49:27.26
That's beautiful.
00:49:27.30\00:49:28.63
That's a personal special touch.
00:49:28.66\00:49:30.03
And we know they were
maybe many, many families
00:49:30.07\00:49:32.73
where that's gonna happen.
00:49:32.77\00:49:34.34
Maybe you've lost the loved one
00:49:34.37\00:49:35.70
and you're looking
forward to the Second Coming
00:49:35.74\00:49:37.41
saying, "Someday soon
Jesus is gonna come again
00:49:37.44\00:49:40.61
and I will be reunited."
00:49:40.64\00:49:41.98
That's precious. Absolutely.
00:49:42.01\00:49:43.35
There are other
stories in that painting too
00:49:43.38\00:49:44.85
that we probably don't have
time to discuss all of them.
00:49:44.88\00:49:46.98
But, like there's a baby
00:49:47.02\00:49:48.68
being reunited with the parents.
00:49:48.72\00:49:50.72
They are also friends of ours.
00:49:50.75\00:49:52.15
She had a miscarriage,
which is a fairly common thing,
00:49:52.19\00:49:54.89
but for the mother
especially and the father,
00:49:54.92\00:49:57.76
it's a very
difficult thing to go through.
00:49:57.79\00:50:00.30
And I wanted them to remember,
00:50:00.33\00:50:02.50
you know, there will a chance
again to care for this child.
00:50:02.53\00:50:05.27
Amen. Yeah.
00:50:05.30\00:50:06.63
Amen, that's
beautiful. I like that.
00:50:06.67\00:50:09.04
Now moving on, we have
another painting over here.
00:50:09.07\00:50:11.27
This is a civil
war painting. Yes.
00:50:11.31\00:50:13.58
Lincoln coming to Richmond.
So tell me about that painting.
00:50:13.61\00:50:16.44
Well, I have a real
interest in American history.
00:50:16.48\00:50:19.88
For years as I work I
listen to books on tape
00:50:19.91\00:50:23.59
and books on CD
and usually biographies
00:50:23.62\00:50:25.82
in American history.
00:50:25.85\00:50:27.19
I admire certain
people in history
00:50:27.22\00:50:29.16
that showed the
character of Christ
00:50:29.19\00:50:31.29
in what they did and
how they lived their lives.
00:50:31.33\00:50:33.50
I believe Abraham
Lincoln was one of those people
00:50:33.53\00:50:35.76
that God chose
this man for the time
00:50:35.80\00:50:38.87
because he was needed.
00:50:38.90\00:50:40.24
He entered Richmond
00:50:40.27\00:50:41.60
right after the
Confederates fled
00:50:41.64\00:50:43.30
and what was
special about this scene is,
00:50:43.34\00:50:46.07
there was a large
group of newly freed slaves
00:50:46.11\00:50:48.31
working by the James
River when he landed.
00:50:48.34\00:50:50.88
When they
recognized Abraham Lincoln,
00:50:50.91\00:50:52.81
they immediately
set down their tools
00:50:52.85\00:50:55.08
and they flocked around
him and started celebrating
00:50:55.12\00:50:57.95
and thanking him
for their freedom.
00:50:57.99\00:51:00.06
Within minutes,
there were hundreds
00:51:00.09\00:51:01.82
and then thousands
that were lining the streets
00:51:01.86\00:51:04.49
to see Abraham Lincoln.
00:51:04.53\00:51:06.80
The war ended
five days after this.
00:51:06.83\00:51:09.46
Lee surrendered at Appomattox.
00:51:09.50\00:51:11.40
Ten days after this
00:51:11.43\00:51:12.83
Abraham Lincoln
was assassinated.
00:51:12.87\00:51:14.64
So it was really, I
think a special moment
00:51:14.67\00:51:16.91
where a large group got to
thank him for their freedom.
00:51:16.94\00:51:20.18
The title of the painting
is "New Birth of Freedom"
00:51:20.21\00:51:22.84
which of course is a
quote from Gettysburg Address.
00:51:22.88\00:51:25.25
And the title also implies that
freedom is an ongoing process,
00:51:25.28\00:51:30.35
we are still
struggling for freedom.
00:51:30.39\00:51:32.62
And it's a maturing
process that takes time.
00:51:32.65\00:51:35.79
And we all play a
role in that process.
00:51:35.82\00:51:39.09
To me the beautiful
thing about your paintings,
00:51:39.13\00:51:41.36
in addition,
they're-- you are meticulous
00:51:41.40\00:51:43.26
and you are
careful with what you do.
00:51:43.30\00:51:44.67
There's the attention to detail.
00:51:44.70\00:51:46.03
There's a level
of professionalism,
00:51:46.07\00:51:48.10
but to me they all have heart.
00:51:48.14\00:51:49.90
Thank you. You
know, you can see...
00:51:49.94\00:51:52.11
Like you mentioned
in the other paintings,
00:51:52.14\00:51:53.61
you see with
Lincoln and you see that
00:51:53.64\00:51:56.64
joy on the slaves,
the freed slaves' faces.
00:51:56.68\00:51:59.35
And how they feel or with
the Second Coming painting,
00:51:59.38\00:52:01.82
you see the joy of being
reunited and I like that.
00:52:01.85\00:52:05.32
To me, that's what touches
the heart in the paintings,
00:52:05.35\00:52:08.02
is there's that human
element, that connection.
00:52:08.06\00:52:11.09
It's not just
putting colors on a canvas,
00:52:11.13\00:52:13.70
you know, it's from your
heart and that comes through.
00:52:13.73\00:52:16.23
Thank you.
00:52:16.26\00:52:17.60
I like that you
used the word meticulous.
00:52:17.63\00:52:19.37
My family uses the word
00:52:19.40\00:52:20.74
obsessive
compulsive perfectionist,
00:52:20.77\00:52:22.84
but that's okay,
I like meticulous.
00:52:22.87\00:52:25.11
Amen. Amen.
00:52:25.14\00:52:26.47
Well, thank you so
much, Nathan, for sharing.
00:52:26.51\00:52:29.04
I would say coming,
00:52:29.08\00:52:30.41
but you are
already here at the booth.
00:52:30.45\00:52:32.21
But thank you for sharing
with our 3ABN audience at home.
00:52:32.25\00:52:35.42
You're very welcome. Your gift--
00:52:35.45\00:52:36.79
The talents God has
given you in your paintings.
00:52:36.82\00:52:38.69
Thank you very much.
00:52:38.72\00:52:40.06
And we want to
encourage you at home,
00:52:40.09\00:52:41.59
continue to pray
for Nathan Greene
00:52:41.62\00:52:43.26
and support these paintings.
00:52:43.29\00:52:44.63
I know I'm a
huge fan. Thank you.
00:52:44.66\00:52:46.96
And it is a huge blessing.
00:52:47.00\00:52:48.63
I love his paintings
because they have heart.
00:52:48.66\00:52:51.97
Thank you so much.
00:52:52.00\00:52:53.64