I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello, friends. And
welcome to 3ABN today.
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My name is John Lomacang.
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If you've tuned
in before you know me
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as one of the
staples of the 3ABN family.
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But if this is your first time,
let me encourage you to stay
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with this channel as we have
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committed
ourselves to the proclamation
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of an undiluted
Three Angles' Messages,
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one that will
counteract the counterfeit
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in preparation for
the coming of the Lord.
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But today you'll discover
the gospel is not only one
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that is preached,
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but music is very much
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a part of the
proclamation of the gospel.
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The Bible says in Psalms 100,
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"Let everything that
has breath praise the Lord."
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And then, the Psalmist
mentions all the instruments.
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And today, I know that our guest
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is one whose life has
been dedicated to the Lord
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to uplift Jesus in his music,
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in his gift, and in his ability.
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And I want to
welcome him at this time.
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Sam, good to have you here.
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Pleasure to be
here with you, John.
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I'll tell you, we had
a rich history together
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being on some of the same road
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and we'll talk
about that in a movement.
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Absolutely.
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But I'm excited
about this interview.
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I didn't know you
were coming but they said,
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"Hey, we've got a
guest coming on Thursday.
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And we want you
to interview him."
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And I said, "Who is
it?" They said, "Sam Ocampo."
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I'll take it. Thank you.
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So, we're going to
enjoy this interview together.
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Delightful. Thank you, John.
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And, friends, we always praise
the Lord when we get a chance
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to sing and give God the glory.
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And I also want to
thank you for your prayers
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and always your financial
support of this network
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because that's how we
keep going and growing
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in preparation for
the coming of the Lord.
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Each of us is
ministers in our own right but,
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we know God is the power
behind this massive engine
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that's been
going now for 31 years
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and we give God the
glory for all that He has done.
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But-- because our
guest is a musician,
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we're not gonna
lead into a song first,
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we're gonna first talk to
our guest and then we're gonna
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bless you by the
way with four songs.
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So, if you want to
record this program,
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I would say you will be
blessed over and over again
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if you right now
hit the record button.
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If you're digital, you know,
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how that goes you can make
the adjustments accordingly.
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But so good to
have you here, Sam.
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You know, there are those people
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that are watching
this program that say,
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"I don't know
who's Sam Ocampo is?"
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So, begin by giving us, just
first the snippet, who you are?
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Where you're from?
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And kind of,
what you do right now?
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Actually, what
you have been doing?
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Gladly. Yes.
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John, I was born in
Peru, South America.
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And at the age of 14 my
parents moved the family
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to the United States.
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Okay.
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I am the oldest
of four children.
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My father is a
preacher, also a professor
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and we moved to Mountain
View, California at age 14,
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and I had already started with
music lessons in South America.
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And when we moved
to Northern California,
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they found a good teacher
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at Stanford
University in Palo Alto
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and I continued my
formal legit training.
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Yes.
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Then I heard some beautiful
Music, there was a little bit
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more improvisational
in style, gospel music
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and I started getting
interested in that so,
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my musical style
branched out, it expanded
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so I from the
classical training,
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I have moved into other genres,
other areas of music as well.
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So music was the
first part of my life,
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I should say that I'm known for.
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But in addition to that, I
also have a business degree.
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Most of my life has
been spent as a businessman
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working for health
care organizations,
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most recently Adventist Health
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prior to that Sutter
Health in Sacramento.
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Yes.
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And prior to that
my mentor organization
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was Lakeland Health in Michigan.
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Okay.
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So I'd been able
to combine both--
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I should say sides of the brain,
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the systematic side
and the artistic side.
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That's good.
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That was a mouthful
of an answer, wasn't it?
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No, but that's good.
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Because a lot of
times people need to know
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what's behind the face,
the voice, the gift, the skill,
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and the blessing and--
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but also let me just,
let's go down the next role
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because you talked about
your foundation being developed.
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Was it because
your family was musical?
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How did that seed get planted?
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My family was musical and
I think my parents discovered
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a certain talent of
my being the oldest.
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So they wanted to develop that.
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My first teacher was an
aunt of mine in South America
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and then immediately I started
working with her teacher,
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a concert pianist
who had worked in Paris
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and worked with
some of the better known
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and more, you know,
reputed musicians in Peru.
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She worked with Claudio Arrau,
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for example a classical
pianist from Chile et cetera.
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So that's what
got me into the music.
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It was my parent's interest.
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And it's a musical family and
being church people, you know,
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we are always
involved with the instruments,
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with the
singing or the praising.
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So my father was a
pastor, so at the time
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so I was able to
contribute to the ministery
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as a family member.
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And just to-- I want
to get to a song here
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in just a short moment
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but we also share
a common connection
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and that's the Heritage Singers.
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Absolutely. When
did you begin with them?
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I started with
Heritage Singers in 1977.
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Okay.
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I started
conversations in late '77
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and I think we
started playing in '78.
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Okay.
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I think, John, that
I'm the first Latino
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that started with
Heritage Singers back then.
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You know, I'm rolling back
my roller desk the old word
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and I think you are correct.
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Yeah, yeah. I think so.
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Because Fernando
came like about '82.
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Exactly right. Right.
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Exactly right.
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And my brother Nino is a bass
player also very good musician.
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Oh, yeah, yes.
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And he started
about a year later
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with the Heritage Singers.
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Max called him and
Nino still plays with them.
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I know, we did
some traveling together.
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We went to Philippines in
2009, I was there with him
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when we sang in Cebu.
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Fascinating. Absolutely.
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Wow. Absolutely.
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I've enjoyed that
relationship immensely.
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I've been a huge
fan of the harmonies
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especially the
harmonies of the '70s
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that the Heritage
Singers, you know,
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came up with this innovative.
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That's right.
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You know, they are
almost like the lighthouse
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and we've come this far
by faith and just praise--
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"I'm willing
Lord." "I'm willing Lord."
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Were you on that one? I wasn't.
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I wasn't but that's
when I was in my early stages
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of coming back to the church
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and that album
still this very day,
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the harmony and the
message of that music is just--
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And the beautiful
orchestrations of those albums.
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You know, I can
hear those strings
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and all that big music which--
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Tom King I think arranged
that album and the prior ones
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that I mentioned
were arranged by Ron Huff.
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But, you know, they
put together amazing,
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amazing products.
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So I was a huge
fan, I learned from it.
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I feel mentored and
I tell Max all the time
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that he is a mentor of mine.
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You know, I want to
get to one of the songs,
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lead us into this
first one it's kind of people
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that have been
around for a while
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may recognize the medley as
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"Oh Danny Boy" but
it's also the same music
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that is put to the words
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"Amazing grace shall
always be my song of praise."
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Absolutely.
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Dottie Rambo, one of
my favorite songwriters
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in the religious realm
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put words to "Danny Boy"
and I think he "Saw My Need,
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Beyond My Fault."
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Is it "Beyond My
Fault and Saw My Need."
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And "Saw My Need."
What a beautiful word?
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You know, what a beautiful
expression of a feeling?
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So, yeah, put together a medley
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based on that
beautiful melody "Danny Boy."
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So I hope that people enjoy it.
I think we're gonna celebrate.
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When I sit down on the
piano, I sometimes don't know
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what I'm going to play
and I like that spontaneity.
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So, you know, I'm
going to be surprised as well
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as we listen to it.
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All right, we will sit
back and enjoy this song.
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Praise the Lord for the
nuances of that message.
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You began with "No More Night."
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Tell us some of those
medleys that were in there.
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Like I told you little
earlier I sometimes don't know
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what I'm going to play
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and I thought that these three
songs would go together nicely
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"No More Night"
going into "Danny Boy"
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or "Amazing Grace"
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and then ended up with a tribute
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that I'm starting
to do for Andrae Crouch
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who passed away
about 12 months ago.
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Yes.
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And the last song I
played was "Through It All"
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one of the best songs ever.
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"Through It All I've
learned to trust in Jesus
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I've learned to trust in God
I thank God for the mountains
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Thank Him for the valleys"
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It's just a
gorgeous, gorgeous song.
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So, you know, that's
what goes through my mind
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and sometimes I don't
know what I'm going to play.
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Sometimes it just comes.
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It is those
mountains and those valleys
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that develop our perseverance
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and it is those
valleys where we,
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where we know that
it's only temporary
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but it's also at
the mountain tops
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that we remember
that those are temporary.
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So our lives as Christians
are valleys and mountains,
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valleys and mountains
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and through it
all, we learn to trust,
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we learn to trust the Lord.
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Absolutely.
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Let me, let me,
you have been and--
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but I want to plan it
also as when you play,
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you don't just play,
you connect to your music.
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I look at musicians as
a musician myself as a--
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I may even use a phrase
"we are ministers of music."
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Yes.
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You know,
musicians are musicians
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but ministers of music,
their skill and their gift
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is in charge of the
Holy Spirit and powers it.
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I look at the way you
connect to the instrument
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because you are not just
connecting to the keyboard
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but you are
connecting to the message
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and the person behind the music.
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Well, that's what
that is in your life.
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That's an excellent observation
and I want to share with you
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that I listen to very,
very little piano music.
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I listen to vocal
music and I'm desperately
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trying to find words
on the notes that I play
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because I'm interested
in conveying a message.
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That's right. A message of hope.
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A message of
grace. A message of love.
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And that comes
through notes and words.
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That's right.
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So I sometimes in the
studio, I would take the text
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instead of the
notes and look at the text
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"Through It All."
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I've been so many places,
you know, "Through it all,
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I've learned to trust in Jesus."
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"My Tribute" "To
God be the glory."
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I look at the
text and try to convey
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that message of that
text through the music,
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through the keys,
through the piano.
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When you come to
place of appreciation
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lead us into the next
song which is "Thank You Lord."
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What motivates you
to want to include that
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in your repertoire,
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"Thank You Lord?"
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I was doing an interview
not too long ago actually,
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two weeks ago in
Loma Linda, California
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and at the end Dr. Ross,
the interviewer asked me,
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"What would you like
to tell the audience?
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What feelings do you want
to share with the audience?"
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And they pointed the
camera and I said, "Gratitude."
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I feel very
grateful for everything
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that has come my way.
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Even like the songs as for
the trials that come my way.
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That's right.
Yes, we have trials.
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Only coming to make
me strong. Absolutely.
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You know the words of that song.
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It's one of the
more popular songs
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that I've been associated with
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and it is a song of
gratitude, "Thank You Lord."
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So we are gonna sit
back and listen to this
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and what I want to
convey to the audience is,
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as you journey and you've been,
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you talked about 1979
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connecting with
Heritage Singers,
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your journey
from Peru to America,
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going to different schools.
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And what I want to connect
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to this song of
the appreciation,
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the gratitude.
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Without gratitude,
we cannot appreciate
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what God is doing through us.
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And what the Lord is
doing through you is more to me,
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is more-- let me just rephrase,
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what the Lord is
doing not only through you
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but to you is a part of
the great point of gratitude.
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Because who we are
before we begin in our music
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and who we become is always
about giving God the glory.
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Wouldn't gratitude be
the opposite of entitlement?
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Oh, wonderful.
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So, you know, gratitude
is-- it is an acceptance
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that we don't deserve anything.
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That's right.
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We are grateful for what we get.
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So "Thank You Lord"
is a song of gratitude.
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Okay. Let's listen
to this wonderful song
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speaking of the place
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where we find that
what God does through us
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surely is deservant of praise.
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I know right now you're being
blessed as you are soaking in,
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saturating in the
message through that song.
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When a person
ceases to be thankful then,
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as the story in the
Bible of the ten lepers
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that were healed,
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the Lord said
"Where are the nine?"
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Because only one came
back to give God, praising God,
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to give God the gratitude.
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And it's that those
intersections of gratitude
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that we find,
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our relationship with
God begins to flourish.
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'Cause I believe that when
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we recognize the
source of our blessings,
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then God want somebody
to testify of His goodness.
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It is the goodness of the Lord
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that leads us to
that repentance place.
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Sam, tell us
about your recordings?
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You have been recording for,
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you've talked about
for numbers of years,
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I don't want to
calculate the number of decades
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but I believe, you
have numbers of recordings
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that I want our
audience to able to access.
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We're gonna
give them the address
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at the end of the program.
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But walk us through some of
your recordings, I see a nice--
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Absolutely. You
have a nice stack there.
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Yeah.
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These are most of my recordings.
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Yeah.
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I started
recording, John, in 1977.
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I was, you know, a teenager
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and I decided
to go to the studio
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and I connected with Jeff Wood.
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Yes.
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Who wrote "Side By Side We
Stand" and many other songs
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and he and I are friends.
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And I said, Jeff,
would you consider?
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So we went to the studio
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and recorded this
album called "Gently,"
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you know, with some
classical numbers and songs
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like "I'm Willing Lord"
you've mentioned that song.
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"Turn Your Eyes Upon
Jesus" Turn your eyes, yeah.
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I have decided... Yeah.
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Little Flowers.
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"Say I Do"
remember "Say I Do?" Yeah.
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"Have You Did
That." "Have You Did That."
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Something-- et cetera.
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So right after that
we did, "Thank You Lord"
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we just learnt.
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Right. We just--
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The song you
just played from that.
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Is this one
here, "Thank You Lord."
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So yeah, we've done many, many
recordings and the latest one
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is a very exciting recording
that I had the opportunity
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to do at Capitol
Studios in Hollywood.
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Scott Reed, you
probably know Scott.
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Yeah, we sang
together for quite a few years.
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And sing with
him, right? Oh, yeah.
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He and I went to Capitol.
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This is the first vocal album
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that I have produced completely.
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There's a lot of vocals in
my piano and orchestra albums
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but this is a completely
vocal album excited about.
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It's called "In The
Morning" and it has a song
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that I have written the
words for in it as well.
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And "Through It All" is on here.
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"Through It All" is on there.
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And my tribute "To God
Be the Glory" is on it.
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"Until Then." "Until Then."
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Famous song I just did
with the 3ABN's project.
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I'd love to hear it. Yeah.
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And matter of fact,
Lari Goss orchestrated it.
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I mourn his passing.
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Lari and I were
friends and worked together
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on the very first
Steve Darmody album.
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I see your brother Nino there.
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Nino is there and Chuck
Berghofer is there with him,
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another bass player who played
for Frank Sinatra for 20 years,
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Chuck Berghofer.
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Wow.
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This was a very fun
album to record with Al Smith
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who is a 25 Grammy
award winner engineer
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and the Diana Krall
band people were there.
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Yes. You know, Peter Erskine.
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Oh, it's a very,
very fun album to do
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but also we've done some
piano only albums like hymns.
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I know. Just only hymns.
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Yes. Et cetera.
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So, yeah, I'm very, very excited
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about this "Homecoming"
album was very exciting to do.
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You have some on here, "No
One Ever Cared" "What A Friend"
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"I Know Who Holds Tomorrow"
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that's a song
that's been around a while
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but it hasn't
had the visibility,
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I should say the audibility
that that it deserves.
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It's one of my favorites.
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I'm glad to know
you have that one.
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No One-- "I Know
Who Holds Tomorrow."
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"I Know Who Holds Tomorrow"
I had played it here earlier.
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And "Homecoming" is, you know,
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paying tribute
to the gospel music
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and the music of, you know,
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the Gaithers and the Heritage
and songs like, you know...
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"Daystar" "He Touched Me."
"What A Precious Friend Is He."
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Oh, yeah, famous Heritage one.
The "Lighthouse" is in there.
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That's right. So,
yeah, a lot of fun.
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It's, you know, it's amazing
when you think of the trans--
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when you think of the
transformation of music,
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you know, let me just
tell you, I think back on
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when I first started singing
and I just said this to myself.
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Matter of fact, my wife
and I kind of giggle about this
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every now and
then because I said,
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"The way that I sang when
Heritage Singers hired me,
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I would never have hired me."
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And I said, "Which is
evidence that God saw in me
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something worth developing."
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And I know you look back at
the journey of your playing,
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can you-- do you
remember those days?
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Absolutely. Talk
about some of those.
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Is the
simplicity of it, you know,
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but I'm amazed that the
fact that the very first album
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that I showed you
earlier people still play
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and they
appreciate the simplicity.
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And I'm sure that Max
saw that raw talent of yours
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when he hired you as well.
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That's a blessing
we've sang it here.
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Absolutely.
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So is the simplicity
that I think goes through
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and touches people's hearts.
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And my early albums have a lot
of simplicity on them as well
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and I've tried to
keep the simplicity.
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My job, John, is
to take away notes,
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to take away sounds
instead of adding on.
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The more I can take away, the
more the ones that stay count.
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Wow. Yeah.
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And I think you mentioned
that about Evie, Evie Tornquist.
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So Evie Karlsson now. Yes.
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Yes. Yes.
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The simplicity of
her music she was not one
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that added a whole lot of frills
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but-- so the
message doesn't get lost.
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Exactly. The ones
that stay count. Wow.
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The ones that-- you know,
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that's a musician inside though,
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don't add so much
that the message get lost.
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Simplicity allows the beauty
of the message to shine through.
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I mean, listen to
Miles Davis. That's true.
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You know, how many
knows that Miles plays
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but everyone that he
plays counts, you know.
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That's true. That's true.
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Same with Ben E.
King, same with Nat Cole
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and then with Evie,
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you know, it's just that
they've perfected their craft
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to make those simple
expressions be powerful.
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And that's where the miracle
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of the transforming
message comes through.
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It doesn't have to
be squeezed through,
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it comes through unobstructed.
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And to talk to
our Adventist audience
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the simplicity of my dear friend
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who just turned 92, Del Delker.
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That's right.
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She taught me
several of these songs here.
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Here now, "The Love Of God"
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and "No One Ever
Cared for me Like Jesus."
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That's her
signature "The Love Of God."
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And the simplicity but
the depth, the conviction,
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the passion that she had.
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"It Took A Miracle"
walk us into that song.
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I love.
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I compare John W. Peterson
who wrote "It Took A Miracle"
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to Irving Berlin in
the nonreligious realm.
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Right.
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Because they both wrote simple
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and they both
wrote words in music.
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And the words of "It
Took A Miracle" are amazing.
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"It took a miracle to
put the stars in space.
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It took a miracle to
place the world in place."
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Punch line when "But
when He saved my soul,
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Cleansed and made me whole,
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It took a miracle of love
and grace to make me whole."
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That's right. That's right.
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To me that is just so
powerful and I tried to do that
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as much as I
can in every concert
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that I can to do that
song "It Took A Miracle."
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You know, as a pastor I could
see the Lord spoke, He said,
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"He spake, and it
was done, he commanded,
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and it stood fast."
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That's His creation but we were
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the development of
the skillful patient hand
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of not only a Creator
but a re-Creator, a Redeemer,
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the one that
molds us to be like Him.
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My favorite text in the
Bible has become 1 John 3,
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"Behold what manner of love
the Father has bestowed on us,
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that we should be
called the children of God!
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Beloved, now we
the children of God,
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and it has not yet been
revealed what we shall be,
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but we do know that
when He is revealed,
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we shall be like Him, for
we shall see Him as He is."
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That's the greatest
miracle of all that one day
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we could be like Jesus.
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The miracle of love
and the miracle of grace.
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Wow.
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The miracle of creation
and the miracle of salvation.
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I love it. That's right.
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Sit back and enjoy
this beautiful song,
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"It Took A Miracle"
and then think about it
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as it's being played
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the miracle that is
happening in your life.
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Wow.
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I know you've heard music before
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but you never heard
music cooked like that.
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That was a
recipe. That was a recipe.
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You know, somebody
once asked my wife,
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"Can I have your recipe?"
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She says, "Even if I gave it
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you couldn't make
it the way I make it."
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And that's what I
want to say about the song.
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We would listen to the notes
but the beauty of the music
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that I'm listening
today, Sam, is that these are--
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this is coming from your heart,
your hands, your experience.
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What keeps you driven?
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I mean, you have about--
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I'm looking about
12 recordings here,
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about in front of
me I'm estimating.
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What keeps you going?
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What keeps you going
as a minister of music?
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Responses like the
one you just showed me
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as you were listening.
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You connect with music, John.
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You are a metro musician,
a professional musician
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and you listen to the music,
you listen to what I'm playing
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and you connect with it
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what better
incentive is there to connect,
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to connect the word
grace, to connect the word love,
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to connect the word
miracle and make that,
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make that effective in the ear,
in the heart of the listener.
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So there is no better incentive.
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It's almost like,
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it's almost like
getting hooked on something
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is the connection,
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the response that you get
from a listening audience.
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In this case audience of
one but are very important one.
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You know, last
weekend we were in Los Angeles
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playing for 1,800 people
at one of the churches there
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with Larnelle Harris.
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Wow.
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And the connection
with the people is just,
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is just very, very
powerful, very powerful.
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Scott Peck talks about in his
book "The Road Less Traveled"
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about the collapse
of the ego boundaries
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and the expansion
of the ego boundaries.
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I think as performers,
as preachers, as musicians,
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as artists, as poets
we are able to collapse
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and expand the ego boundaries
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between the producer and
the recipient of the art.
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And in our case we
have a much higher message
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which is the message
of eternity of grace,
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of miracles and of love.
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That's right.
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Wonderfully said because
as a pastor of 29 years now,
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married 32 years
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but the music ministry
goes further back than that
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and I have seen
through the years
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the difference between
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"I want to sing
this song right to,
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I want to communicate the song."
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Communication-- Max told me
something a number of years ago
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and we share the same affinity
there with Heritage Singers
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and so much of who we are
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as wrapped up in our
experience with Heritage
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which I will never
trade for anything.
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Me either.
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And-- Absolutely true.
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You know, there are
so many people whose--
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I would say to Max
and Lucy and I'd say this,
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"They would not know
until eternity rolls the impact
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that they have made
on the lives of people
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around this globe."
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Every national--
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good the
international music language,
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you've been a part of that.
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Absolutely. Your brother Nino.
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Absolutely.
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I've been a part of
that and all the may be 200,
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300 singers.
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I'm so humbled to
have been a part of that.
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Yeah. Honored and humbled.
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To be chose not of and
I remember I go back to
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when I was chosen now
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because she know Fernando
was leaving actually in 1984.
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Quinde.
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Fernando Quinde
was leaving in 1984
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and Heritage came to Florida
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and I had a
concert that very night
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but my
mother-in-law brought tickets
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to the Heritage
concert and I said,
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"I can't go." She
said, "You have to go."
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Said, "But I
can't. I'm 75 miles away."
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She said, "At least
come for that second half."
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And, you know, not to disappoint
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but I think it was more
than my mother-in-laws drive.
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The Lord said,
"Tonight is your destiny.
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They are waiting for
you." That is amazing.
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I did not know that story.
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And I auditioned
that night and when,
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seven months later
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when they were
done for that year
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Greg Mace remembered,
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"What about
that guy in Florida?"
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Wow.
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And that's how my journey,
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my wife's journey
with Heritage began.
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I did not know that story.
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And we were in the same pools
at times through the years,
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you know, when we
did the bigger programs
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like the reunions and
things you were there and Nino.
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Absolutely.
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Nino and I
traveled together too but,
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but the beauty of our message,
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there is a
culmination to the gospel
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and we are gonna, we are gonna
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segue out of this portion
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just before our
newsbreak into that song
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that I'm just looking forward
to hearing as I know, it's--
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I know what it can do.
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But before I give
the address information
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to our audience here,
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those who are listening by radio
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and those who are
watching by television
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we want to make
this music available
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as purely as we possibly can
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because every musician
is as unique as their DNA.
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What do you hope to communicate,
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if you were to give a message
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to those listening
and watching this program,
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how will you motivate them?
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What would you say
to them to motivate them
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entrusting their
lives to the Lord?
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I think it's the honesty.
The honesty of the message.
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Listen to your heart,
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listen to the
honesty of the message
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and it's easy, it's
apparent, it's obvious.
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That's right.
Listen, let the Lord--
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Listen to your
heart. Listen to your heart.
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Okay.
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The Lord works in
amazing ways through our lives
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and you can hear
if you're watching
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you've been extra blessed
because you're not only hearing
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but you're seeing
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what difference this
music has made in Sam's life.
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And here is the information
that you need if you would like
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to invite him to do
an individual concert.
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Wherever I believe
the Lord opens the doors,
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this servant of music will
be willing to walk through.
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Here's the
information that you need.
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If you would like to know
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how to receive the
music of Sam Ocampo
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or if you would like to
get information about booking,
00:42:37.29\00:42:40.06
you can call 626-437-2266
00:42:40.12\00:42:44.19
that's 626-437-2266
00:42:44.23\00:42:48.83
or you can email him
at samocampoinfo@aol.com
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that's samocampoinfo@aol.com.
00:42:55.44\00:43:00.71
You can also visit
online it's samocampo.com,
00:43:00.78\00:43:04.98
that's samocampo.com.
00:43:05.01\00:43:08.92
Contact him today, he
would love to hear from you.
00:43:08.95\00:43:11.65
One of the single most
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important events
in the Christian life.
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I mention this and we are
gonna lay some foundation here
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for the beauty of the song
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that we're just
about to listen to.
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I said to someone,
actually earlier today I said,
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"I'm glad that
Jesus died for my sins
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but I'm even
happier that He rose again."
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Oh, beautiful. Okay.
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So tell us how this
song has affected your life,
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this song because I know,
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I'm learning even
more indelibly as I have,
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we never had a close one
to one time like this before
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but I'm learning more
indelibly that this is not music
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that you just like to convey
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because there are
songs that are familiar
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but they have
done something to you.
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Absolutely. Tell
me about "Rise Again."
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Well, the message of
"Rise Again" is very simple.
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Wayne Hooper wrote 60
years ago "We Have This Hope."
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That's right.
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"Rise Again" is
the song of hope.
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It talks about the go ahead,
nail the nails in My hand,
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laugh at me et cetera.
00:44:16.38\00:44:19.02
But then it says
but I'll rise again.
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There's a but, you
know, like the other one
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"But until then my
heart will go on singing."
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This one but I'll rise again.
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And then climatically goes into
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not only I'll rise
again but I'll come again.
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That's right.
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So, you know,
it's a song of hope
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if we can
summarize it with one word.
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Rise again, there's a--
when we travel as you do,
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you touch different continents
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with your music
and with your life
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and when we do that,
we begin to recognize
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the diversities of
religions around the world
00:44:50.25\00:44:52.39
but I see what's so
beautiful about Christianity
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is there's no
place that we can go
00:44:54.12\00:44:56.39
to memorialize our leader
00:44:56.42\00:44:59.09
who still locked in
those behind that stone.
00:44:59.13\00:45:02.60
The stone's been rolled away
and truly because of His grace
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He rose again.
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Absolutely.
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But I want our
audience to listen to this song.
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You may have heard it before
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but I want you to
listen to the words
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as they are
communicated through the music
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because sometimes
we hear the lyrics
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but I want you to
not only hear the lyrics
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that are not going to be sung
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but hear the
lyrics as they unfold,
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as the Lord allows them to
flow off with the fingertips
00:45:26.99\00:45:29.96
of his servant Sam Ocampo.
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He is not only, He
has not only risen again
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but He is coming again.
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Enjoy this song, "Rise Again."
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