Participants: Shelley Quinn (Host), Jaime Espinal
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015064A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hello, I'm Shelley Quinn 01:09 and we welcome you again to 3ABN today. 01:12 You know, it is-- just exciting things 01:14 happening here at 3ABN 01:16 and we've been having such a wonderful day, 01:18 I hope that you are having an even better one. 01:20 And we want to thank you for your prayers 01:23 and your concern about this ministry 01:26 and your financial support. 01:27 Thank you so much 01:29 because without you this ministry would not exist. 01:32 I want to share a scripture with you 01:34 before I introduce our special guest today 01:37 and this scripture defines him completely. 01:41 The scripture is Psalms 66:16 and here's what David wrote. 01:47 "Come and hear, all you who fear God, 01:51 " who respect God, who hold Him in all" 01:54 and I will declare what He has done for my soul." 01:58 And our special guest today is Jaime Espinal. 02:03 And Jaime is the center director 02:06 for the Centro Misionero de Salud. 02:09 Did I-- how did I do? 02:11 Yes, you did very good. I did, go praise the Lord. 02:13 Translate that for us. 02:14 Health missionary center. 02:16 Health missionary center. 02:18 And this is in Galeana? 02:21 Galeana. Galeana, Mexico. 02:23 Nuevo Leon, Mexico. 02:24 Wonderful. 02:26 Jaime, we are so glad you are here 02:28 because this is your second or third time to 3ABN? 02:32 Yeah, about the third or fourth time. 02:33 Oh, third or fourth time. 02:35 Well, I do know that you've got an exciting testimony 02:39 of what God has done in your life 02:42 and he is going to be sharing more than a testimony though. 02:45 He is going to tell you 02:46 how God brought him out of prison 02:51 into an incredible ministry, 20 years worth of ministry, 02:55 a family ministry 02:56 something that you want to stay tuned 02:58 if you know anybody that's thinking about 03:00 going into a family ministry. 03:02 Because we are not only gonna hear about his ministry 03:05 but about a book that he has written 03:07 and this book is called Family Outreach and Evangelism 03:12 and my good friend 03:14 Frank Fournier and Steven Grabiner 03:16 have both endorsed this book 03:18 and this is a book that's not just about 03:22 getting it all together in your family 03:24 but it is a real how to book. 03:26 How to know if you are ready to go into ministry, 03:30 how to recognize God's calling on your life, 03:33 how to pick or choose a location, 03:37 how to organize, how to get educated, 03:40 how to have income generation 03:43 and it's just an incredibly helpful book 03:47 that many people want to read. 03:49 But I think the most important section is the last 03:52 and that's on the spirituality. 03:54 How to stay surrendered to God. 03:56 How to really be disciple yourself 03:59 so that you can turn around 04:00 and be balanced in your life and blessing to others. 04:05 But before we begin, we are going to have a song, 04:09 well, everybody loves music 04:11 and this is by our own pastor C.A. Murray. 04:14 And many of you know C.A. 04:15 he is the director of our proclaim channel 04:18 and he is going to sing "As Water to the Thirsty." 04:33 As water to the thirsty 04:37 As beauty to the eyes 04:42 As strength that follows weakness 04:46 As truth instead of lies 04:51 As songtime and springtime 04:56 And summertime to be 05:01 So is my Lord My living Lord 05:05 So is my Lord to me 05:14 Like calm in place of clamor 05:18 Like peace that follows pain 05:23 Like meeting after parting 05:28 Like sunshine after rain 05:33 Like moonlight and starlight 05:37 And sunshine on the sea 05:42 So is my Lord My living Lord 05:46 So is my Lord to me 05:55 As sleep that follows fever 05:59 As gold instead of grey 06:05 As freedom after bondage 06:09 As sunshine to the day 06:14 As home to the traveler 06:18 And all He longs to see 06:24 So is my Lord My living Lord 06:27 So is my Lord to me 06:33 Well, that's my Lord My living Lord 06:37 So is my Lord to me 07:02 And we thank you so much, C.A., for that beautiful song. 07:04 Well, if you are joining us just a moment late 07:07 our special guest today is Jaime Espinal. 07:11 And, Jaime, tell us the name in English of your, 07:15 of your ministry. 07:17 Health Missionary Center. 07:19 Health Missionary Center in Galeana, Mexico. 07:22 And in Spanish it is? 07:24 Centro Misionero de Salud. 07:26 Misionero, see I left off the "O" 07:27 while ago, I knew I did. 07:29 So what we want to do even though you've been here 07:32 several times before 07:34 let's go back because this Psalms 66:16 07:38 really is kind of a life verse for you that, you know, 07:41 you want to tell the world, declare to the world 07:44 what the Lord has done for your soul. 07:46 Tell us about your days-- it's hard for me 07:49 to even look at you and say these words 07:51 but your days as a drug dealer. 07:53 Yes, well, God is so merciful and I just want to say that 07:58 because His goodness and He goes to where we are. 08:02 Yes. 08:03 And I got into the drug business in Texas 08:10 actually many years ago and by God's-- 08:16 God allowed me to be caught 08:19 so I changed the route that I was heading to. 08:23 And when you say He allowed you to be caught 08:25 you actually went to prison. 08:27 How many years? 08:28 Well, I was off for 39 years 08:32 but miraculously it was-- 08:37 they dropped the case. 08:39 You know, it was no any charge or anything whatsoever 08:43 after seven months being in there 08:46 was dismissed the case. 08:49 Glory to God. 08:50 God really did miracle. 08:53 That's what all I can say. That is a miracle, 39 years. 08:55 Seven month versus 39 years it's just seven months 08:59 it's just the number of perfection 09:01 and you met the Lord in jail, did you. 09:05 And that's the best thing that ever happened in my life, 09:08 the time I spend there because I saw miracles, I saw angels, 09:12 I saw-- you know, every time I was going to sleep 09:17 I as for the boys are speaking all night long. 09:21 Sometimes I saw a finger 09:23 pointing in some places of the Bible. 09:25 You see, I was just-- 09:29 I didn't believe of somebody telling me 09:31 what was the truth before and so I therefore 09:34 I was very skeptical on hearing somebody. 09:38 So here I was by myself reading the Bible 09:42 and a lot of doubts comes in 09:44 but God clear every doubt that I have 09:48 through His word. 09:49 So it was amazing, you know, to see how God did 09:53 so many things in order to and get me out of doubts 09:57 and to keep continue guiding me as I was learning from Him. 10:02 Amen. How old were you then? 10:04 I was 24-years-old. Twenty four-years-old. 10:09 Now you got out of prison and you went to live in Florida 10:15 and you made a phone call 10:17 that actually ended up changing your life, 10:19 tell us about that. 10:20 Yes, I was trying to get some literature in the Spanish 10:26 and then I just happened to met somebody and they, 10:29 all the opposite side of the country, you know, 10:34 I was in Florida 10:35 and this was in Washington Estate 10:38 where I got to know somebody who was taking the order 10:43 to get me this literature. 10:44 It just happened to live in that very same place 10:47 I was calling from in Florida. 10:49 So you call to a ministry 10:52 to get the literature in Spanish, 10:54 you give him the address 10:55 and the guy on the other end of the phone says, 10:57 what, I used to live in that house. 10:59 That's right, he said I live in that very same house. 11:03 I say, cannot be and he said well, 11:05 is there Mrs. such and such? 11:08 I say, yes, that's my landlord. 11:10 So well, I used to live there with her. 11:12 So here he is in Washington and the reason I said 11:15 that this phone call changed his life, 11:18 the two of you became close friends. 11:20 You established a bond, a relationship. 11:23 Yes, and then later on I got to know his sister. 11:29 Very well, as a matter of fact. 11:31 Yes and it was a wonderful blessing 11:33 because that became my wife. 11:35 Yes, amen. 11:37 So you married his sister and a strong Christian. 11:41 And how did you know that God was calling you into ministry? 11:47 Well, you know, after the day that I got out of prison 11:52 I say God, I don't want to be chased by the devil. 11:56 I want to follow You all the way. 11:58 And all what I wanted to do the rest of my life 12:01 is to serve You, to work for souls. 12:04 And so on but before I got out I told God, 12:08 God, all I want to do is work for souls 12:11 and there are souls in prison, out of prison 12:13 I don't care if You get me still here 12:16 or get me out all what I want to do is to work for You. 12:19 How precious. 12:21 And so I know when I got out 12:23 that I was just on the mindset to follow God, 12:28 to follow His leading. 12:30 So I know He had a purpose for my life 12:33 by getting me out of the drug dealing business 12:37 and now, you know-- 12:39 Getting the charges dropped. 12:41 Right. All that. 12:42 It's amazing. It's amazing. 12:44 One day I was going to hold a Bible study in one place 12:50 and it was just the very same place 12:53 where I used to be doing all kind of-- 12:56 Drug deals. 12:58 Drug deals and all that 12:59 so it's amazing how God transforms somebody. 13:02 Amen. I just praise God for that. 13:04 So you married and did your wife know 13:07 when she married you 13:08 that she was going to end up in fulltime ministry? 13:11 Yes. She did. 13:12 Yes, God was getting her ready to, you know, 13:15 and it was wonderful to know how He did that because, 13:19 you know, when I met her-- before I met her, you know, 13:23 I thought that I was gonna be like Paul, 13:25 you know, just single. 13:28 Doing it alone. 13:30 Doing it alone but then when I met her 13:33 I was still was thinking like that 13:34 but when I hear her praying then I say, 13:38 boy, that I might change that. 13:42 You know, there is my something got, 13:44 might have something for me in so I will not be alone. 13:49 God was whispering in your ear 13:50 that it is not good for man to be alone 13:52 I've got a helpmate already prepared for you. 13:56 But it's amazing because her prayer 13:57 was what got me to think about the possibility 14:01 of how to open myself to God's plans. 14:05 Wonderful. Wonderful. 14:07 So you married, you have four children. 14:09 What three girls and a boy, is that right? 14:11 Now how did you end up in Galeana? 14:15 Well, you see this side there after we got married 14:19 to go into to do missionary work. 14:23 So we start for a couple of years 14:26 we were on the road, 14:28 we were in many countries, Central America, 14:31 I went to Cuba in Central America 14:33 all the away from Texas, 14:36 Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Belize, 14:40 Costa Rica, Panama. 14:42 We were going back and forward for years. 14:44 We were-- 14:45 Did you go to Colombia your home country or? 14:47 We never went there. No. You never went. 14:49 You know, we went until Panama. 14:50 Yeah, almost there but not quite there. 14:52 Okay. 14:54 And we were just helping people 14:56 teaching them how to live a healthy lifestyle. 15:00 We were preaching the word, 15:02 we were doing evangelism with literature. 15:07 You know, we were printing books, 15:10 we were distributing books, 15:13 we were doing a lot of things with the literature 15:15 as we were traveling, 15:17 that was the source of our income 15:19 as we were traveling. 15:21 And we did it for a couple of years without stopping. 15:24 We didn't have no, 15:25 any place behind where to go to. 15:27 We were just working for the Lord 15:30 until we were going by Montemorelos in Mexico 15:35 and as I was doing some deals 15:37 with the union officers from there 15:40 for some materials 15:42 they invite us to have some videos, 15:45 to record some videos on health. 15:48 So we had stayed there for about a week 15:50 and then during that week one of the union officers 15:54 that I know from before he said, 15:56 Jaime, why don't you start a training place 16:00 where older people can be trained 16:02 and to become missionaries as well. 16:04 And then we ask him but where. 16:07 Then he say well, we know a place in Galeana. 16:10 And where is Galeana? 16:12 And then they started explaining to me 16:14 and then later on-- 16:16 Where is Galeana? 16:18 It is about two hours from Montemorelos. 16:20 Okay. 16:21 We are about two hours southeast from Montemorelos. 16:25 And so we start praying about it. 16:30 They took us over there to see the place. 16:32 We didn't like it at all. 16:35 It was the last place where we wanted to be 16:37 and we were just praying 16:39 and the more we were praying 16:41 the more convicted we were 16:43 that that's where God wants us to start a family ministry. 16:47 And, you know, after praying about a month in Montemorelos 16:52 we realized that God wants us there. 16:55 Now did you have any children yet? 16:56 Yeah. 16:58 You had, you already had children? 16:59 Yeah, we had. 17:01 You are on the road all this time 17:02 and dragging babies along with you, ah? 17:03 Yeah. 17:05 We had our family with us and, you know, 17:07 it was-- we stayed-- 17:10 after we got married we stayed in Tennessee 17:12 for sometime too and so... 17:14 Okay. Okay. 17:15 So now you find yourself getting ready to start 17:18 a family outreach, a family evangelistic center 17:25 if you will, a center of influence. 17:28 Tell us-- I want to take a few minutes 17:30 and let's look at this incredible ministry 17:33 that God has given them there 17:35 actually for 20-- you been 20 years there now 17:38 and then you will be able to appreciate how Jaime, 17:43 God equipped Jaime to write this book 17:46 on Family Outreach and Evangelism. 17:49 So you start in a place that you are saying, 17:52 oh, Lord, this isn't where we want to be 17:54 but God showing you, 17:57 He changed your mind and now it has become 17:59 a place of great beauty to you, hasn't it. 18:02 Yeah. 18:04 And mainly because what God has done in people's life, 18:07 you know. 18:08 And we see young people being transformed by His power 18:12 and we see elder people doing-- 18:14 knew their energies to serve the Lord. 18:16 When we see all 18:17 what God has done there in people's life 18:19 we are just thrilled, you know, we are amazed, 18:22 we are inspired every moment. 18:24 That's wonderful. 18:26 Okay, we have some pictures. 18:27 This is as I said, this is the 20th anniversary 18:31 for the Centro Misionero de Salud. 18:35 Yes. Yes. 18:37 I think your next picture is of your lovely wife. 18:40 What is her name? Marjorie. 18:42 Marjorie. 18:43 And, Marjorie, you all make a very lovely couple. 18:48 You look like almost brother and sister. 18:50 They say when you've been married to someone long enough 18:52 that you begin to look alike. 18:54 That's right. Oh, sure. 18:56 Now this beautiful land, this is it, ah? 18:59 Yes. 19:01 We are in the 49 acres 19:04 and we're on the top mountains of La Sierra Madre. 19:08 And it's just a lovely place, you know. 19:11 We have some orchid there, 19:14 we have a lot of food trees, pecan trees. 19:17 And evidently you've got corn here as well. 19:20 Well, and we grow a lot garlic and a lot of vegetables, 19:23 a lot of, you know, produce, you know, all year long. 19:28 Is this something that you actually teach people 19:30 how to do is how the farming techniques to get healthy food. 19:34 Okay, and here is your cooking class. 19:36 Everybody looks like they 19:38 got their little plastic bonnets on 19:40 and they are ready to get serious about healthy cooking. 19:43 Right. 19:44 We have students, 19:45 we have a medial missionary training program 19:47 that takes six months of the training 19:50 and while they are there then we teach them cooking. 19:53 You know, you have hands on training. 19:56 Yes. 19:57 So they really learn 19:58 how to do some things very quickly 20:00 and very nicely. 20:02 All right. 20:03 And then we got some, oh, boy, that looks so delicious. 20:05 What kind of bread, what do you call them? 20:07 It is a whole wheat bread rolls, they are rolls. 20:11 And raisins? 20:12 Yes, you have raisins and coconuts 20:14 and a lot of healthy good stuff. 20:17 Okay, and on top of the six months training course 20:21 you actually have this health food store. 20:24 Yes. 20:25 This is the health zone and which consist of 20:28 four different services under one roof. 20:30 It's a restaurant, it's a health food store, 20:33 and it has a library and also like fitness place 20:39 where we do some treatments, massage and hydrotherapy 20:42 and we, you know, 20:44 advice people how to get a lifestyle. 20:46 Okay, is this is Galeana? 20:48 Yeah, this is in town. 20:49 This is about seven miles away from the camp where we live. 20:52 Where you live. Yes. 20:54 That's an-- boy, I've never heard of all four 20:56 being under one roof but that makes perfect sense. 20:59 Yes, and we make it a very sustainable 21:02 because sometimes, you know, 21:03 vegetarian restaurant and struggles sometimes. 21:06 They go out of business but when you have 21:10 different attractions to people they come for one thing 21:13 or for the other. 21:15 They-- and so you will have people, 21:16 you know, coming in, 21:18 flowing in and they be blessed by this services 21:21 that you provide them 21:22 and so we call them health zone. 21:26 We have a radio program-- 21:28 for 18 years we've been having 21:29 a radio program in the community 21:31 and we educate them through the radio 21:34 and encourage them to visit the health zone. 21:38 That is really fascinating model, really is. 21:42 Now you also hold health expos, is that correct? 21:45 Yes, and as the part of training for our students 21:49 we train them how to do and organize a health expo. 21:52 Besides we go and work with the different conference 21:55 and unions in Mexico. 21:57 They invite us quite often to hold a health expo 22:00 and to join with their evangelistic efforts. 22:03 Oh, that's wonderful. 22:04 In different places in Mexico 22:05 and especially in the large cities. 22:07 Okay. 22:08 And then you also train them in massage 22:10 and various things as far as-- 22:12 What all do you teach for them? 22:14 Hydrotherapy and we teach them 22:16 principles on anatomy, physiology 22:18 and how to do some natural remedies 22:21 and how to cook healthy and how to do bread, 22:26 how to, you know, bake. 22:27 And we teach them also how to preach the gospel, 22:31 how to speak in public, how to give Bible studies, 22:34 how to do evangelist campaigns, 22:36 how to organize them. 22:37 And the students before they leave, 22:39 before they graduate they have to have experience 22:42 on evangelistic campaigns where usually every year 22:47 they see people and they get baptized 22:50 as result of their first from-- when they first got there. 22:54 Oh, wonderful. 22:55 So they can see the process when you sow the seed 22:58 and cultivate it and then the harvest. 23:01 In six months they are able to see all the process 23:04 and when they live they live so encouraged 23:07 because they see people 23:08 that gave their lives to the Lord 23:10 and they were able to see people 23:12 going to the baptisms waters, you know. 23:14 Amen. 23:15 And also before they graduate 23:16 they need to do one week health school in the community 23:20 where they teach the community 23:22 how to cook healthy, how to do massage, 23:26 how to give a health lecture and also a Bible, 23:32 you know, teaching. 23:33 Bible study, wonderful. 23:35 How does the community receive you? 23:37 You've been there 20 years so... 23:39 Let me tell you what God has done because, 23:41 you know, we give all the credit to God. 23:44 There is so much respect for what we do in town. 23:49 Even we work very closely with the hospital, 23:51 the government hospital, they invite us 23:54 to give lectures to their employees 23:56 and also they invite us to give to the patients 24:00 while they are waiting. 24:02 We teach them a healthy lifestyle 24:05 and they invite us to do that. 24:07 We have a very good relationship 24:09 with the director of the hospital, 24:11 with the nutritionist from the hospital 24:13 and with the, you know, 24:16 we used to have a elementary school in-- 24:19 I mean, in our place and a lot of people from town 24:21 got to know what we were doing, 24:23 what we were all about it through the elementary school. 24:28 Yes, that's amazing. 24:30 Now you have I think have about just a couple of pictures 24:32 we want to show before we move forward from that 24:35 and this baptism, is this a student 24:37 or is it someone from town? 24:39 No, this was a student. 24:42 He got baptized, you know, 24:43 in the last generation of students this year 24:47 and they were able to get 19 people baptized. 24:50 From the students? 24:51 Not from the-- 24:53 Oh, from the town. And few from the students. 24:55 Okay. Few from the students. 24:56 So that man got baptized there. 25:00 It was amazing because, you know, 25:01 I met him and I was doing evangelistic campaign myself 25:05 in the south of Mexico and then I saw him there, 25:08 he was kind of very discouraged 25:09 because he was born with only one eye. 25:12 And then his self-esteem was very, very low. 25:18 And I encouraged him to come along with me 25:20 and he came back with me. 25:21 We flew him, he make arrangements, 25:24 he arrived-- I got back home with him 25:27 and encouraged him to take the training program 25:30 and then he start taking the training program 25:33 and he start learning how to speak in public 25:36 and he start learning how to do some trade 25:38 like laying tile on the floor and doing some, you know, 25:43 agriculture work and different skills there 25:45 and he learned all that, he love it. 25:48 And then he was able to be on front of public 25:51 but not only that, we were able to talk with university, 25:55 Montemorelos University and they got him the eye 25:59 that he was missing a prosthetic. 26:02 Oh, prosthetic eye. Yes. 26:04 Praise God. 26:06 And it didn't cost us anything. 26:08 Oh, praise the Lord. Neither to him. 26:12 And then when he got that, I mean, his life just, I mean, 26:16 then he was preaching now and he got baptized 26:19 and he is working for the Lord. 26:21 You are gonna see a picture, I think is the next picture 26:25 with the two eyes. 26:26 Look at him. Yes. 26:28 And so now he is out holding evangelistic series of his own. 26:32 And that's what we are all about, Shelley, 26:34 you know, to see people's lives 26:37 be transformed by God's Holy Spirit. 26:39 And then so, now but let me your kind of-- 26:44 your ministry is similar to that 26:46 of a Wildwood or Eden Valley, 26:50 some place like this Black Hills 26:52 but this is just a family run. 26:54 Yeah, it is in a smallest scale, you know, 26:57 just my wife and I and-- 26:58 That's amazing. How many students? 27:00 It look like you hit quite a few students. 27:02 Yeah, we used to, we usually have 15, 20 students, you now 27:06 and we also have a lifestyle program 27:08 and we have a guest that can be in there 27:10 and we usually have, 27:12 you know, four, six guests that come in, you know, 27:15 to take our lifestyle program. 27:16 So it's just small, is what we can do as a family. 27:19 That's what we do. That's wonderful. 27:21 And we train the students how to open a restaurant. 27:26 We have few students 27:28 they have their own restaurant in Mexico. 27:30 Praise God. 27:31 Their own bakery, their own wholesome food business 27:35 and they're doing that 27:36 and they have their own business 27:38 and they are ministering for the Lord 27:40 and it is wonderful to see 27:41 how they are blessing them as a family. 27:44 Amen. 27:45 And then you are teaching, you are giving the health expos 27:48 and then in a village, 27:49 you are connecting with the village people 27:52 and I shouldn't say village but the town 27:54 and how-- boy, it was right on the tip of my tongue 27:57 but whatever that thought went that's-- 28:00 I think that's what you call a brain freeze. 28:03 So you are member of ASI, you are member of OCI, 28:08 Outposts Centers International 28:11 and this is something-- let me, that's what it was. 28:16 Is this sustainability, have you been able? 28:20 You and your wife had been there 20 years 28:23 you would think as a family ministry. 28:25 Your children grew up doing this with you as well 28:28 and they are all 28:29 solidly connected to the Lord because of it 28:32 but has there ever been times where you thought financially 28:36 how am I going to do this? 28:38 Oh, sure. 28:39 You know, there have been many, many, many times 28:41 where we have seen-- you know, 28:43 God miraculously providing because, you know, 28:46 we work-- is a faith work. 28:49 You know, when we start the work 28:50 it was by faith that we start this work over there 28:53 and He has been like that every single day 28:56 and every single day is a miracle 28:58 because we see God providing 29:00 in so many different ways, you know. 29:03 There has been times where we are very, very tight 29:06 and then here we have a group 29:07 they want to come for our lifestyle program. 29:09 And we have group that come from the States 29:12 and as well from different places in Mexico. 29:14 And we also, we are exporting some of our fruits from Mexico 29:20 to the States. 29:21 Wonderful. 29:22 You know, and we get some literature from the States 29:25 and fruits to Mexico. 29:27 So we would like the business 29:30 as a part of the ministry to become-- 29:32 But it is nonprofit ministry. 29:34 You've organized as a 501(c)(3) ministry. 29:37 Right. It's a nonprofit organization. 29:39 You know, and we are 501(c)(3), because, you know, 29:43 there are sometimes, you know, we receive donations 29:45 and it really is a blessing because God, 29:49 you know, make it all happen. 29:51 So has there ever been-- 29:52 I know that you are registered in Hidalgo, Texas. 29:56 So when has there ever been a time when you think, 29:59 Lord, we don't know what our next step is 30:01 and you may be come back to Hidalgo 30:04 and find a little something in the mail. 30:07 Yes, many times, Shelley, many times. 30:10 I mean, we go over there and there is, you know, 30:13 we are just praying God what is next, 30:17 You have led us this far, what's next and well, 30:20 we go and we go to the mail 30:21 and here we see a little envelope 30:23 just with the funds that we are really-- 30:26 The exact isn't it? Yes. 30:27 It's amazing how-- 30:29 It's amazing and He does it over and over. 30:30 Yes, He does. 30:32 So it's amazing how God is blessing this type of work. 30:35 Well, it's amazing how He has led you 30:38 and you actually have just been, 30:41 had just come back from Europe, 30:42 you go around and your wife 30:44 go around giving lectures, don't you? 30:47 on how to do these things 30:49 and he was encouraged to write a book, 30:51 a how to book and we want him 30:53 talk about this book for just a moment. 30:55 This is a-- the book is titled Family Outreach and Evangelism, 31:01 managing family run ministries and centers of influence. 31:07 And it doesn't matter how large or small 31:10 you want your family run business-- 31:12 ministry to be. 31:13 You are going to find some wonderful recommendations. 31:17 I just loved the intro here, if I can find it-- forget-- 31:22 here it is. 31:24 Not the intro but the one where the forward 31:27 who is written by Armando Miranda, 31:29 who is the general vice president of the GC. 31:33 He said, "I had a wrong impression. 31:36 When I started reading the book, 31:37 family run ministries 31:38 that was written by my good friend 31:40 and brother in Christ Jaime Espinal, 31:42 director of CMS. 31:44 I thought it was one more book 31:45 about the family although that's important 31:47 there's already plenty of books 31:49 about that subject but I was wrong. 31:51 The manner and approach that Jaime gives in this book 31:54 is that of a family ministry. 31:58 The involvement of the family in God's service 32:02 and in His church 32:03 seeking to be the family God intended for us to be 32:08 and also serving the community in a special way as Christ did. 32:13 It is a call to the ministry that God wants 32:16 every church member to develop. 32:19 It is Christ's method in action." 32:22 So he goes on to say 32:23 how practical and inspirational 32:27 this information is. 32:29 And let's talk about there are families out there, 32:35 families who are thinking about going into ministry 32:38 as you and your beautiful wife did. 32:41 How does a family know 32:42 when they are ready to go into ministry? 32:45 Well, Shelley, that's a very good question 32:48 because as you stated, you know, 32:49 we found families all the Europe. 32:52 They want to get into fulltime ministry. 32:55 In fact, many of them they have dreams 32:59 and they were led to be missionaries, 33:01 fulltime missionaries. 33:02 But somehow that hasn't happen. 33:05 And so one of the advices we give to the families 33:11 is that when they are praying and of course, you know, 33:16 and even fasting trying to see what God has for them to do. 33:23 One good indicator that the-- 33:25 So in other version recognize the calling that God has 33:27 on your life first. 33:28 Yes. Okay. 33:30 You know, but sometimes in the family 33:33 you might see one of the spouses 33:36 that is perhaps not quite ready. 33:41 Not as gung ho? 33:43 You know, not as really need to live things 33:46 and get into fulltime ministry 33:48 and it's very delicate this because, 33:52 you know, we advice that families go away, 33:57 I mean, when they are in agreements, you know-- 34:01 So in other words what you are saying is 34:03 one spouse shouldn't insist on going into fulltime ministry 34:07 dragging the other spouse kicking and screaming 34:10 into whatever call. 34:12 I think that you be more-- that's a good indicator that-- 34:15 They are not ready. 34:17 No ready yet that they might need to do a lot more praying 34:20 and waiting and God is doing the work 34:23 not only on the spouses 34:25 but also on the children. 34:26 And so I think-- but you see, the Holy Spirit usually, 34:31 you know, moves when there's a couple 34:33 and they want in the direction 34:37 He has a wonderful way of doing it 34:39 when they are in agreement, you know, 34:41 so that's a good indicator, you know. 34:43 And there is times that as you said 34:45 one spouse may be ready 34:47 and a little in advance of the other 34:50 but it's usually because the other there 34:52 is just that one more hurdle of giving up 34:54 little more of self, a little more of, you know, 34:57 being ready to-- I heard a wonderful story, 35:02 actually this was Lanny Wolfe who told the story of a woman 35:06 who was praying and God told her to sell her home 35:10 and all of her belongings, go to Haiti 35:11 and open up an orphanage 35:13 and she says, "You got the wrong woman." 35:16 But she ended up doing it 35:18 because when God lays that on your heart 35:22 He never forces you to do anything as He 35:25 but when He lay something on your heart it may not be, 35:28 this says with you. 35:30 It wasn't attractive to you at the very beginning 35:33 but because it's of God suddenly it becomes something 35:36 that has this compelling magnetism. 35:40 You want to do it and that's what amazing. 35:44 But let's say a family knows, okay, 35:46 God is calling me to open an orphanage 35:49 or to start a restaurant 35:52 or to start a center of influence, 35:55 how do they then-- how would you counsel someone 35:58 to choose a location? 36:00 Well, depending on their, 36:02 the ministry, what is their focus, 36:05 you know, what is their ambition, 36:07 what is their mission that they have 36:10 and there are some outposts places 36:13 they are very fit to be in the series 36:16 to where all the people is like a vegetarian restaurant 36:19 and so forth. 36:20 And but also there are that who will be more-- 36:24 we have the cancelling. 36:25 There would be-- the idea is out of the series 36:28 where they have more nature environment 36:32 and they can be more easily following, 36:38 you know, God's leading 36:43 when they are in the good environment. 36:45 Right. 36:47 So, so it is good to be, you know, 36:49 there are families that they have live 36:51 all their life in the series 36:53 and so it is good for them to be have as a process, 36:57 you know, not to just jump into and then find out that they, 37:02 boy, they don't even know how to, you know. 37:04 How to build a, how to build a fire in the fireplace. 37:07 Yes. 37:08 I mean, to go slowly and it's a process 37:09 and also with the family. 37:11 But sometimes the parents are to say okay, we are ready. 37:13 We are willing to but their children 37:18 they may be they are not ready for. 37:20 I mean, you need to work with them 37:21 so when they come 37:23 there will be an excitement for them 37:25 not something that is, 37:28 you know, like-- 37:29 In family ministry that's very important 37:31 if you are so you got to think 37:33 consider your children's education. 37:35 Yes. 37:36 You got to consider your children's feelings 37:38 and how well you can minister to your children. 37:40 You surely cannot go and minister to anyone else 37:43 if you can't minister to your own family. 37:45 Yes, exactly. 37:46 And sometimes depending on the age of your children, 37:49 you know. 37:50 Of course, when they are small you have to work with them 37:53 according to their age but as they are growing 37:56 and then when you are dealing with teenager specially 37:59 and you really want to be very careful and very prayerful 38:03 as to how to approach them 38:04 so they-- so all this will be part of them 38:07 not that it will be just something from their parents 38:10 but from the family. 38:11 That they will be involved, 38:12 they will feel that this project 38:15 that involves them as well. 38:17 You know, even though these family ministries 38:21 are as you said a walk of faith 38:24 we still have to think about income generation. 38:27 Sure. 38:29 And you know God always have that, you know, 38:33 the family ministry is not something new. 38:36 We see Adam and Eve it was a family ministry. 38:39 Abraham was a family ministry. 38:41 Isaac was a family ministry. 38:43 Jacob was a family ministry and all these-- 38:46 even Moses had a family ministry, 38:49 his wife, his brother, and his sister. 38:52 But when we see Abraham he has a lot of wealth 38:56 and so God wants us to prayerfully use the skills 39:02 that He has given us to explore 39:09 the income generator 39:11 that we might have with the skills 39:13 that God already gave in us. 39:15 You know, you remember when Moses have-- 39:18 God called Moses 39:20 and he didn't want to and He said what is that 39:23 that you have in your hand? 39:25 He had a... Rod. 39:26 A rod. 39:28 You know, sometimes we have had a skills, 39:31 may be wife is an accountant, may be husband is plumber, 39:37 electrician, whatever, you know, 39:40 we need to take in consideration 39:41 what God has already given us. 39:45 Many family they think 39:46 that they have to throw everything 39:48 in order to serve God, 39:50 just to forget about everything. 39:52 And there might be some occasions 39:54 where that might be the case 39:56 when may be you are doing something that is not, 40:00 something that God's approves 40:02 or that God has something better, 40:04 you know, the chance. 40:05 But we have to be very careful because I have met people 40:09 that they say, "even my career everything we put it 40:13 like we are gonna do something there." 40:15 No, but God might have plans for that that He already 40:19 allowed you to have in your past. 40:22 So that's very important to keep in consideration 40:24 as you are looking for an income generator. 40:27 And then we also need to look what things they are in, 40:31 what things are available in there 40:34 after we see what we-- 40:37 skills we already have they got might wanted to use, 40:40 also depend on their location and the area, 40:43 the needs that they are there. 40:45 I mean, it's amazing how the Holy Spirit 40:47 kind of give you wisdom 40:49 and determine as to what to do and how to do. 40:53 As long as you stay surrendered, 40:54 so talk to us for just a few minutes here about balance, 40:59 about your own-- keeping your own, you know, 41:02 sometimes we can get so busy doing the Lord's work 41:05 that we actually let the work 41:07 become more important than our relationship with the Lord 41:10 and then that's when things are upside down 41:12 and getting ready topple. 41:13 So how do you-- what are some of the just a couple of tips 41:18 of how to stay in balance when you are doing this? 41:21 Well, you know, it is just like in the family 41:25 we can be so busy that we don't take 41:27 good care of our children 41:28 and that happened to us in sometimes 41:31 and we realize hey, 41:33 we are-- this is not the lost, 41:34 if we are neglecting our priority with the children. 41:39 It's the same way when we are not harming 41:42 special relationship with God. 41:44 If we are not having a growing relationship with Him, 41:49 because if we are in the same relationship with 20 years, 41:54 if we have no one and 30, 40 years more 41:58 about wonderful God, 42:01 awesome God that we serve. 42:03 I mean, we have to be growing, learning more of Him 42:06 and growing in that relationship with Him 42:09 that will keep us alive and going. 42:12 And it's very important as a couple 42:15 to be brining these new growing aspects 42:20 of our relationships out flourished them-- 42:24 you know, express them out and that will encourage one 42:27 to ensure us we are not in a monotonous lifestyle 42:33 but we are growing. 42:34 And so it's very important, you know. 42:36 If we are not growing that something is not right. 42:41 We have to be growing all the time, all the time. 42:44 And so-- 42:46 So does do you and your wife help each other kind of stay 42:49 in check like, if you notice may be-- just say for example 42:54 if you noticed that she wasn't praying as much 42:57 or she wasn't reading or studying her word as much 43:00 or you see that she is kind of drifting, 43:02 do you kind of help pull her back 43:04 and vice versa to keep each other on track? 43:07 Yes. 43:08 So there is this sense of accountability? 43:10 Yes. 43:11 In fact, you know, sometime-- every night we pray together. 43:13 You know, we pray together before we go to bed, 43:16 every night we have that as a custom. 43:17 It has been such a blessing, you know, 43:19 to pray together at night time. 43:22 And there are sometimes that things happens 43:24 and may be she gets something got her real busy 43:28 early in the morning 43:29 and she has to take care of some things 43:31 and then I can remind her, you know, 43:35 because you are ready to do your time with the Lord, 43:39 I can do this and this for you 43:41 so you can have the time for the Lord. 43:43 Oh, that's wonderful. 43:44 And so we need to keep that in our mind 43:47 and also praying for His children, 43:49 you know, all the time and listening to His children, 43:52 taking time, you know, 43:54 because we need to nurture that relationship, 43:57 we need to nurture our relationship with God 44:00 and with one and other 44:01 so we will be able to function because, 44:04 you know, we are in a world 44:06 that we've been attacked every single moment. 44:09 And you can't minister to others if you-- 44:12 if your own-- from an empty, from an empty cup. 44:15 You got to go before the Lord get your cup filled everyday. 44:18 Right. 44:19 Well, you know, we want to do, 44:20 I know that there is some of you at home 44:22 and you actually have some of your lifestyle guest 44:24 are from United States, I think so. 44:26 They have to speak Spanish didn't they? 44:28 No. Not necessary. 44:29 They don't, okay. 44:31 What we want to do is put Jaime's information up. 44:35 There may be any number of reasons, 44:37 you may be interested in being a lifestyle guest, 44:40 you may be interested in becoming part of the program 44:43 and they don't have to speak Spanish 44:44 to be in your six month program. 44:47 You might be interested in having him come to speak 44:51 to a group at your church or to put on a seminar 44:56 or you might be interested in getting this book 44:58 Family Outreach and Evangelism 45:00 which you can get all of this information 45:03 here is Jaime's address roll 45:05 and his email address and website. 45:12 For more information about the missionary health center 45:14 you can write to, 116 East Coma Avenue #295, 45:19 Hidalgo, Texas 78557. 45:23 That's 116 East Coma Avenue #295, 45:27 Hidalgo, Texas 78557. 45:31 You can call 956-373-1830. 45:35 That's 956-373-1830 or go online at cmsmex.com, 45:42 that's cmsmex.com 45:45 or you can email him at Jaime@cmsmex.com 45:57 Well, you know, I just find it so exciting to see 46:00 how God can take a young man who has gone so far off track, 46:07 just lock him up for a while and then shine His light 46:11 into your-- into your darkness. 46:14 That's so amazing how God has taken you 46:17 from that world of drugs, even dealing drugs 46:20 and now he's got you serving Him, 46:23 teaching others how to serve Him. 46:25 Yes. And what a blessing. 46:27 And I didn't want to mention 46:29 this Family Outreach and Evangelism, 46:31 this book is also available at Amazon.com and how else. 46:39 And our website. 46:40 And on your website. 46:42 So you can do this at Amazon.com or on your website. 46:46 And, Jaime, what we are going to do right now is 46:49 we are gonna have a second song and then we are gonna come back 46:52 for a few closing comments. 46:55 But right now we have C.A. Murray with us 46:57 who is going to-- he is just like your 47:00 Psalms said, Psalms 66:16 says, 47:04 "I will declare what the Lord has done for my soul." 47:09 And C.A. Murray is gonna sing "I'll Tell the World." 47:28 I'll tell the world, 47:32 that I'm a Christian 47:35 I'm not ashamed, 47:39 His name to bear 47:42 I'll tell the world, 47:46 that I'm a Christian 47:49 I'll take Him with me anywhere 47:56 I'll tell the world, 48:00 how Jesus saved me 48:04 And how He gave me 48:07 a life brand new 48:12 And I know 48:14 that if you trust Him 48:18 That all He gave me, 48:22 He'll give to you 48:29 I'll tell the world, 48:32 that He's my Savior No other one, 48:39 could love me so My life, 48:45 my all is His forever 48:50 And where He leads me I will go 49:01 I'll tell the world, 49:05 Jesus is coming 49:08 And didn't make me near 49:12 or far far away 49:15 But we go to learn as if He is coming 49:23 Could be tomorrow or today 49:29 For when He comes, 49:33 and life is over 49:37 For those who love Him 49:40 there's more to be 49:45 Eyes have never seen the wonders 49:51 That He's preparing, for you and me 50:02 Oh, tell the world, 50:05 that you're a Christian 50:09 Don't be ashamed, 50:12 His name to who bear 50:16 Just tell the world, 50:20 that you're a Christian 50:23 And take Him with you anywhere 50:33 I'll tell the world, 50:38 how Jesus saved me 50:41 And how He gave me 50:45 a life brand new 50:50 And I know 50:52 that if you trust Him 50:55 That all He gave to me, 50:59 He'll give to you 51:07 I'll tell the world, 51:10 that I'm a Christian 51:13 And I'm not ashamed, 51:17 His name to bear 51:21 I'll tell the world, 51:24 that I'm a Christian 51:28 I'll take Him with me anywhere 51:35 I'll take Him with me anywhere |
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