Participants: C.A. Murray (Host), Shelley Quinn (Host), Dale Mole, Dr. Alan Lindsey, Jim Rennie, Ryan McCoy
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015062A
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00:02 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:19 Removing pain 00:24 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:46 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:07 Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today. 01:09 My name is C.A. Murray. 01:10 And thank you for sharing sometime with us 01:12 and for joining us on a very special program. 01:15 Just recently we taped a number of interviews 01:17 at the recent General Conference session 01:19 in July of 2015. 01:21 What a wonderful time we had as we talked 01:23 to ministers and learned about ministries 01:26 and great things that are being done 01:28 in the name of Jesus Christ. 01:30 Shelley Quinn had a chance to talk to Dr. Allan Lindsay. 01:33 Then we are talking about a brand new video, 01:36 actually a cinematic presentation of the early days 01:40 of the Advent movement. 01:41 The movie is called "Tell the World." 01:44 This is an interesting interview 01:46 talking abut a very interesting subject. 01:51 Hello, we are here again on the convention floor 01:54 and in San Antonia and it's a beautiful day here. 01:57 And there are so many people at this conference. 02:00 It's just been a blessing to meet 02:01 our brothers and sisters in Christ 02:03 in its little taste of heaven. 02:05 But we have some one in the production booth 02:07 with us right now who is very special to me, 02:10 he's a friend of 3ABN's and a personal friend. 02:13 And let me introduce you to Dr. Allan Lindsay. 02:16 Allan, I thank you so much for coming by. 02:20 Please-- you are not a stranger to the viewers of 3ABN 02:25 because you have a very popular program on 3ABN. 02:29 But if you would, let's just kind of step back in time 02:32 and tell us just a little bit about your life, 02:35 your work with the church. 02:37 Well, Shelley, I became an Adventist 02:40 in my mid teens through a mission, 02:43 an evangelistic effort that was conducted 02:45 in Sydney in Australia. 02:48 I then went to college in Australia. 02:51 I did a degree, got a degree of BA Theology there, 02:57 entered the work in New Zealand for a while. 02:59 Then I came back to do further education 03:02 and then swapped over a little bit 03:05 into religious education and teaching 03:08 and taught for a while at Avondale in the area 03:11 of Christian education. 03:14 And then it came about in a rather strange way 03:18 that somebody found out that 03:20 I had an interest in Adventist history 03:23 and that was the reason 03:26 why I was encouraged to go Andrews University 03:30 to particularly specialize in religious education 03:33 as well particularly in Adventist history. 03:36 And I had Dr. George Knight, for example, 03:38 on of our leading authors basically. 03:43 He was one of my teachers and really arouse in me 03:46 a greater love for Adventist history 03:48 and the wonderful way the Lord has led us as a people. 03:51 And I am really convinced as I look back then and now, 03:55 even more so that we have a wonderful story to tell 03:58 about God's leading. 04:01 And so that arouse my interest in Adventist history. 04:04 One thing led to another and the leaders in the church 04:09 suggested that I make a, or be involved with making 04:12 a video series which became Keepers of the Flame. 04:17 And you know, you spent 30 years at Avondale 04:20 and you've eventually, you are on the Ellen White 04:22 research team. 04:23 I was. And you did that-- 04:25 What year did you "Keepers of the Flame?" 04:28 We-- they-- a little church in Australia 04:31 gave me six months off my teaching schedule 04:35 to write the script to study and write the script 04:38 for this new series, "Keepers of the Flame," 04:41 that was in 1988. 04:43 1980 was spent largely in filming 04:47 because we spent seven weeks in Europe, 04:50 three weeks in the United States 04:52 and two weeks in Australia, 04:54 about three months all together, 04:56 filming the series which became "Keepers of the Flame." 05:00 When you did this in 1989, did you have any idea 05:03 this documentary, this historical documentary 05:06 of the Adventist movement, 05:07 did you have any idea it will still be playing today? 05:11 I had no idea at all. 05:15 I remember we used to talk when we were making the film, 05:18 "Well, now who's going to view this film 05:20 on Adventist history? 05:22 Maybe some older people will and some new people will, 05:25 who are coming into the church. 05:27 It might be of interest to young people." 05:29 But nobody on the team ever dreamt 05:32 that it would go to the world as it has done. 05:35 Well, I know it's been one of the more 05:36 popular programs on 3ABN. 05:38 And I can recall, before I became an Adventist 05:41 watching it with keen interest because it was something that-- 05:45 I think it's important for us to remember our roots. 05:47 Well, very important. I think it's very important. 05:50 And when you think about this work in this movement, 05:55 we have had this documentary. 05:58 But right now you've been working on a new project. 06:00 That's true. That is just being released. 06:03 And tell us about the new film, if you will, it's more of an-- 06:10 well, it's a film. It's not really a documentary. 06:12 Not, not like "Keepers of the Flame." 06:14 It's a show, if you will. Yes. 06:15 Tell us about the new film, tell the World. 06:19 It was the president of the Australian 06:21 Union Conference, 06:22 Pastor Chester Stanley, 06:24 who first had in his mind the idea, 06:27 and I'm sure the Lord gave it to him, to make a movie film. 06:32 He felt that young people particularly, are attracted 06:36 more to something visual. 06:37 They don't read books perhaps as much as they used to. 06:40 And therefore, to make a movie film 06:43 of our early history was so very important to him. 06:46 So that's about three of four years ago now. 06:49 The idea was developed in the Australian union conference 06:53 and then the scripts began to be written 06:56 and then the filming was done in Canada. 07:00 They chose a village, south if Ottawa, in Canada, 07:05 called the Upper Canada village. 07:08 And it's a village that was really a recreation 07:11 of an American or a Canadian village 07:14 in the 1850s and 60s. 07:16 So this was a wonderful discovery. 07:18 I mean, it meant that we didn't have to worry 07:20 about the interior of houses, the artifacts in houses. 07:24 It was all set up 07:25 by the churches and houses that were there. 07:28 And so that was used very largely, 07:31 almost entirely as the site for the making of this film. 07:36 So it's a two and half hour movie. 07:39 And it covers the history of our church 07:42 from the time of William Miller, 07:43 when he was wrestling with his old beliefs 07:47 and finding Jesus again. 07:49 That was in 18-- coming up to the 1820s 07:52 and it concludes in 1874. 07:56 The title of the movie is "Tell the World," Shelly 07:59 and 1874 seemed to be a good closing off point for a movie 08:04 because that was the year when our first missionary 08:07 J.N. Andrews, was the first official missionary, I guess, 08:13 to leave America and travel of course, 08:15 to Switzerland and begin the work in Europe. 08:17 Amen, amen. 08:18 So this new film, this movie would be released in 08:23 and be able to-- You can purchase this through 08:26 the ABC and when is that release? 08:28 We are hoping that it will be released in the fall, 08:31 the American fall, September, October, November. 08:35 And of course, we are hoping that it will also be translated 08:39 at least into Spanish and Portuguese. 08:40 We hope next year to make it available 08:43 for our brothers and sisters there. 08:45 You worked as the Historical Consultant. 08:48 I did. Yes. 08:49 On this project. 08:51 I would like for you just to share with our viewers, 08:54 some of the-- the wonderful truths, 08:59 some of the wonderful events 09:00 that are included in this movie. 09:03 Well, we tried to cover the major events 09:06 in that period of time that I just mentioned. 09:09 William Miller, of course, to me was a wonderful man. 09:11 He never became a Seventh-day Adventist. 09:14 But he laid the foundation 09:15 for the rise of the Adventist Church. 09:17 And even though he came up to the disappointment, 09:19 was bitterly disappointed. 09:21 I always remember the words that he wrote afterwards, 09:24 "I have set my mind on another time. 09:27 And that time is today, today, today and till the Lord comes." 09:31 Yeah, for some of our viewers who may not be familiar 09:33 with what The Great Disappointment was, 09:35 explain that. 09:37 William Miller had studied the prophecies of Daniel 09:40 and particularly Daniel 8:14, that longest time prophesy 09:44 in the Bible, the 2300 years. 09:47 He became convinced that it ended in-- 09:50 about 1843 he said originally. 09:53 Then it was moved a little bit because he realized 09:56 that there was no year zero when you cross from 09:59 B.C. to A.D. time. 10:01 And eventually they set the date 10:03 based upon Biblical evidences 10:04 that was expressed at the time as 0ctober 22, 1844. 10:09 And that was the day for what? 10:11 That was the day when they expected 10:12 that the Lord would come to cleanse the earth. 10:15 The text said unto 2300 days, years, 10:19 then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. 10:21 Miller thought that the sanctuary was the earth, 10:24 its cleansing was the Second Coming. 10:26 Therefore, they expected and this involved 10:28 tens of thousands of people 10:30 in the United States, particularly. 10:32 Of all different denominations. 10:33 Of all the different denominations believing 10:36 that Jesus was going to come on that day. 10:39 He didn't come and that caused a tremendous disappointment 10:43 at the time and that's why we call 10:45 it The Great Disappointment. 10:46 And yet the Lord led through that disappointment 10:50 through a small group of people who said no. 10:53 The Lord is still being leading us, where we had much evidence 10:56 that Jesus was in the movement, that the Holy Spirit 10:58 was there in the movement. 11:00 Many came to know the Lord has resolved. 11:02 They continued to study the Bible. 11:04 And then the Lord began to unfold to them 11:07 some very significant truths. 11:09 The truth of the Sabbath, the truth of Jesus' ministry 11:12 and the heavenly sanctuary. 11:13 And those are traced in the movie 11:16 as we continue this, the wonderful story 11:19 of God's leading. 11:20 And this is the exciting thing 11:23 because there is young Ellen Harmon. 11:26 Tell us about her beginnings with the church. 11:29 Well, Ellen Harmon also believed with her family, 11:33 her Methodist family up there in Portland 11:36 in the state of Maine. 11:37 They believed in William Miller's teachings. 11:40 In fact, they were cast out of the Methodist Church 11:42 because they believed that Jesus was coming. 11:45 Ellen Harmon later wrote that that year, 11:47 1844 was the happiest year in her life. 11:50 She loved Jesus 11:51 and she was looking forward to seeing Him on October 22. 11:55 When He didn't come, her disappointment was bitter. 11:59 But it was only a couple of months after that 12:01 in December 1844 that the Lord reached down 12:05 to that young girl, given up to die in three months. 12:08 I mean, she was in a very sickly condition. 12:11 But the Lord laid His hand upon and gave her in December, 12:14 the first of some 2000 visions that she was to receive 12:18 over the next 70 years of her ministry. 12:21 And we believe as Seventh-day Adventist 12:25 that at that time the Lord gave her the gift of prophecy. 12:29 And she was used by God over the next 70 years 12:32 to marvelously lead and guide and warn 12:36 and encourage the church 12:37 and particularly, to draw the church to Jesus. 12:40 She loved Jesus herself and she wanted-- 12:43 her greatest aim was to bring people to know Jesus. 12:46 And she was such a person of great humility 12:48 and I appreciate so much that how she would say that, 12:52 you know, she was a lesser light 12:53 pointing to the greater light, that's exactly... 12:55 because everything that she wrote was 12:58 based on scripture and she even said at one point. 13:01 If people would really study their Bibles 13:04 that her writings wouldn't even be necessary. 13:06 That is true. 13:08 She was never want to put herself above the scripture. 13:12 but that, you know, I wanted to point that out 13:14 because there are sometimes people who hear 13:17 if a church has a prophet, they'll think 13:19 "Oh, well, it's got to be different in the Bible." 13:22 But everything she did supported the Bible completely. 13:25 And she herself said that if there is material 13:28 in her writings, then that believed the Bible. 13:31 We have to believe the Bible. 13:32 And I'm so glad that she said that 13:35 even at that crucial time 13:36 when we were studying the doctrines of the Bible. 13:39 She had a remarkable experience and as much as she tells us 13:42 that her mind was not so that she couldn't understand 13:46 the scriptures that the pioneers were studying. 13:50 And I believe that her mind was locked 13:52 and this is featured in "Tell the World," 13:54 the movie film. 13:55 It was locked in order to avoid any charge that our teachings, 14:01 as they developed came from the word of God. 14:04 It was to prove that they came from the word of God 14:07 and not from her visionary experience at all. 14:10 And that's important. Amen. 14:12 What do you think is one of the highlights 14:14 of this new movie film 'Tell the World?' 14:18 Well, that's a hard question, Shelley, 14:19 because they were so many highlights 14:22 as I look back. 14:24 There is some very emotional moments in the film 14:26 because Ellen White lost two sons, 14:30 a little baby of three months old 14:32 and her 16 year old son and that was very great 14:38 tragedy in her life. 14:40 And that's portrayed. 14:41 So there are some emotional moments. 14:43 But there are some great moments 14:45 in terms of the organization of the church 14:47 taking the name Seventh-day Adventist 14:50 which was to present to the world 14:51 those two wonderful truths, the Sabbath 14:54 and the soon coming of Jesus. 14:57 The emphasis to on preparing the world, 15:00 Tell the World with J.N. Andrews going out in 1874, 15:05 those were the some of the highlights. 15:06 But it's a movie that as I look back upon it, 15:09 it really tells the story 15:12 and reminds us of that wonderful statement 15:14 Ellen White said, 15:16 "We have nothing to fear for the future, 15:17 except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, 15:21 and His teaching in our past history." 15:23 Amen. 15:25 And this is something that 15:26 you worked as a Historical consultant. 15:28 I did. 15:29 It's like, first you developed the documentary 15:33 and now you'vebeen working on this 15:35 and I know that this was a great satisfaction to you 15:38 as part of your life's work. 15:40 It carried a lot of responsibility. 15:43 I mean, at the beginning, particularly, 15:44 I was associated with Dr. George Knight 15:47 and Pastor Jim Nix of the White Estate. 15:49 But I carried I guess the major burden 15:52 because I was in Australia 15:54 whereas they were in the United States 15:56 and so it made a lot easier to carry it on. 15:58 Why do think this movie film 16:01 was so important for this generation? 16:07 I believe it's important for this generation, 16:09 not only the young but the old as well, 16:12 because remembering our past 16:14 contribute so much to our identity. 16:17 If I could remove every member you had from this point, 16:20 Shelley, back to your beginnings, 16:22 you would lose your identity. 16:24 And I believe that's the same 16:26 as far as the church is concerned. 16:27 If we don't realize why we exist, 16:31 we lose our sense of mission. 16:32 We have no purpose for the future. 16:34 But when we realize that God raised up this people 16:37 to proclaim His last message to the world, 16:40 in the context of the everlasting gospel, 16:42 then that gives us all the impetus we need to say 16:48 we have a message for the world, 16:50 Jesus is coming 16:51 and our role is to prepare the world for that. 16:53 And that's an awesome responsibility 16:55 and this film I believe 16:57 I wanted to really tell that wonderful story 17:00 to confirm people's faith that Jesus is coming, 17:03 but the God raised up this people 17:06 to proclaim His last message to the world. 17:08 And to understand that this, the Seventh-day Adventists 17:12 began from many different denominations 17:15 coming together in deep Bible study. 17:18 And understanding or receiving greater light 17:22 and now this is not just a church 17:26 but it is a movement. 17:27 And we believe it is God's last day movement. 17:29 Indeed, indeed. Yes. 17:30 Allan, thank you so much for joining us today 17:33 and for those of you at home, if you-- as you're watching, 17:36 remember that this project will be released this fall 17:41 or probably, September, October and you will be able 17:44 to get that at the ABC's 17:47 and the movie is titled "Tell the World." 17:50 And it is a wonderful film. 17:52 I've seen portions of it. 17:53 I'm looking forward to seeing the entire one. 17:56 But is something that will remind you 17:59 of what our roots are, it will inspire you 18:02 as to how God has moved in the past 18:05 and how He'll continue to move in the future. 18:09 So we thank you so much for being with us, Allan. 18:11 God bless you for all of your hard work. 18:13 And God bless you too. Thank you. 18:19 As a lover of church history and denominational history, 18:23 I'm looking forward to this wonderful film 18:26 called "Tell the World," which will be out 18:28 in the fall of 2015. 18:30 Up next, Shelley Quinn had a chance 18:31 to talk with Jim Rennie and Dale Mole, 18:34 they both of that wonderful Asian Aid Ministry. 18:38 They are gonna be talking about the recent earth quake 18:40 there in Nepal and how medical work 18:43 continued even in the midst of the earthquake. 18:45 A baby was delivered in courtyard of the hospital 18:48 right at the height of that earth quake. 18:50 It's an interesting story 18:52 and the one you'll be blessed by. 18:57 Hi, I'm Shelley Quinn. 18:59 Again we're coming to you from the convention hall floor 19:02 where you can hear all the ambient noise 19:04 going behind us. 19:05 But we are here at the GC session 19:08 2015 in San Antonio, Texas 19:11 and our special guest for this interview 19:13 are Dr. Dale Mole. 19:15 He is the CEO of Scheer Memorial hospital in Nepal 19:19 and we also have a dear friend Jim Rennie who is with us 19:23 who is the CEO of Asian Aid 19:25 and we want to welcome both of you. 19:28 Jim, I'm going to start with you actually. 19:31 You are not a stranger to our 3ABN viewers. 19:34 Asian Aid has a beautiful program on 3ABN 19:37 and it has been doing a great work in India. 19:40 Tell us just briefly about Asian Aid 19:43 for someone that might be new to the network 19:46 and tell us about the recent appeal, 19:49 how you introduced us to Scheer Memorial Hospital. 19:52 Thanks Shelley. 19:53 It's a privilege to be here again. 19:55 Well, Asian Aid is a fully supported 19:58 ministry of the church. 20:00 Our key activity is child sponsorship. 20:02 And we have about over two and half thousand children 20:06 in Nepal, India, Bangladesh 20:08 and we're just launching Myanmar. 20:11 Our other activity includes orphanages, 20:14 school for the blind and school for the deaf. 20:17 And for a long history in Nepal, 20:20 we've been involved with Scheer Adventist Memorial hospital, 20:24 both with women's prolapse surgery 20:28 which Helen Egger gave the lead in. 20:30 And also with children's operations 20:34 and on the grounds of Scheer hospital 20:36 there's an Adventist school where we have children. 20:40 So we have had a working relationship with Scheer. 20:43 So when the big earthquake appeal happened at I rang Dale 20:47 and said, "Look we have to help. 20:49 Could we be the fund raiser, 20:52 key fund raiser for you in the USA?" 20:55 And so that's why and how we became involved. 21:00 And then we had the appeal, 3ABN really got behind it. 21:05 3ABN made a huge difference 21:08 and we setting objective of $200, 000. 21:12 Well, praise the Lord, we are so fine, 21:14 it's still coming in and it's donated 21:17 were well over $300,000. 21:19 Glory to God. 21:20 So the partnership of Asian Aid, 3ABN, 21:24 and Scheer was a very unique experience for us. 21:28 Amen. And this has been a --- 21:29 it's been devastating to the area. 21:32 Am I correct Dr. Mole that you are the only 21:35 Adventist institution in Nepal. 21:37 That's correct, yes. Yeah, okay. 21:39 Before we talk about the hospital 21:41 and how it was founded, 21:43 tell us a little about your personal history 21:45 because I think it's fascinating 21:47 and how God brought you to Nepal. 21:49 Yeah, well, I mean, it's true. 21:51 The Lord does work in a mysterious ways. 21:54 My parents were missionaries in the Middle East. 21:58 I was born in Beirut, 22:01 went to Medical school in Kansas City. 22:04 But wife there who was, 22:07 her parents were missionaries in India. 22:09 So I was on a Navy Health professional scholarship 22:15 and the Navy put me through Medical school 22:17 and I spent 33 1/2 years in the Navy 22:21 as an emergency medicine physician 22:23 and both clinical and executive positions. 22:28 After retiring from the Navy, 22:30 it's been a year at in Antarctica 22:33 at South Pole station, 22:34 it's the Southern most Adventist in the world 22:37 for about ten months. 22:39 And then I heard about Scheer Memorial hospital 22:42 and that they were looking for somebody 22:44 to be the administrator there. 22:48 And my wife and I had always 22:50 talked about doing mission work. 22:52 We didn't realize 22:56 that we were gonna do it full time. 23:01 and took a leap of faith, sold our house, 23:03 put all our things in storage and headed to Nepal. 23:07 praise god. 23:08 So how many beds is Scheer Memorial hospital? 23:12 We're licensed for 150 beds. 23:15 That's a good sized hospital. Right. 23:17 It originally started out as a 20 bed hospital in 1960. 23:22 Stanley, Dr. Stanley Sturgis was the first doctor there 23:27 and administrator 23:28 and it's gradually grown over the years 23:31 and now has a School of Nursing as well. 23:33 Wonderful. We have all seen 23:36 the horrible footage of the devastation 23:39 of this earthquake that hit Nepal. 23:42 Tell us your personal, as eyes and ears on the ground. 23:46 Tell us how, what kind of an emotional 23:48 impact that had on you. 23:50 Yeah, well, it was really devastating 23:52 to the people of Nepal. 23:55 I mean, it's a desperately poor country to begin with. 23:59 But even more so after this tragedy 24:03 many people were living outside. 24:05 They were displaced from their homes. 24:07 About three and a half million according to World Health 24:10 Organization statistics. 24:14 Almost 9000 killed and I suspect the numbers 24:20 are actually much higher than that 24:21 because out in the remote areas, 24:25 when somebody dies, the villagers take care 24:27 of their own, do the cremations 24:30 and these people never show up on government statistics, 24:36 so even people 24:39 who had homes that weren't destroyed 24:44 in the initial earthquake, 24:46 were afraid to live inside their homes. 24:48 So many people living outside. 24:52 The really amazing thing I think about being in Nepal 24:56 is I probably see more miracles there in a week 25:02 than I see in a decade in a developed country 25:05 like the United States. 25:07 When I first got there, I-- for about first week, 25:12 I felt like getting back on the plane and heading home. 25:16 The country is so needy and so desperately poor. 25:21 But you know I saw-- there was a little boy 25:26 who had typhoid fever 25:28 and developed a bowel proliferation 25:31 as a result of that. 25:32 And he came into our hospital and in Septic shock. 25:37 He went to the operating room, has had surgery 25:40 and then went to the intensive care unit 25:43 and developed adult respiratory 25:49 distress syndrome which is condition of the lungs. 25:52 It's almost universally fatal. 25:54 So I really expected that I wouldn't see him 25:57 and his bed the next morning. 26:00 And I couldn't believe it when not only was he there in bed 26:04 but that afternoon he was off the ventilator and two days 26:07 later he was sitting up smiling in the pediatric ward. 26:11 So seeing that I knew why I had come to Nepal. 26:17 Yeah, I mean it's and the as a result 26:20 of this earthquake we had a little girl 26:22 who was still in our hospital. 26:25 She was buried alive in her house 26:28 and buried in the rubble for several hours 26:32 and she heard her father talking outside. 26:36 The family thought she was dead. 26:37 And she yelled out, "quit talking and come and get me." 26:42 So they dug her out with a bare hands, 26:46 it took several hours and her uncle carried her on 26:51 for four or five hours on a motor cycle. 26:55 She lived in a very remote area 26:57 and brought her to our hospital. 26:59 Now did the hospital sustain much structural damage? 27:03 Well, initially it didn't appear to be so 27:05 but we've had structural engineers in 27:08 and there are some parts of the hospital 27:10 that are actually-- probably need to be rebuilt 27:13 but we were able to continue to provide full services 27:17 through the entire duration of the earthquake 27:20 and its aftermath. 27:21 What's interesting is we actually were in the middle 27:25 of a cesarean section when the first earthquake hit, 27:28 just getting ready to start it. 27:31 So what we did is, we moved the patient 27:33 and the surgical team out to the courtyard 27:36 that's in the middle of our hospital 27:39 and we did the cesarean section outside, 27:42 Is mother and baby are... under sky, 27:43 Mother and baby are doing fine. Oh, glory to God. 27:46 But now I'm sure that the increase of demand 27:50 what you are short on were hospital supplies, 27:53 is that correct? 27:55 Yeah, I mean, what we're really short of is funds. 28:00 Again, our average outpatient visit cost only 40 cents. 28:05 That's what we charge the patient. 28:08 But even at 40 cents, many cannot afford that 28:10 and especially after the earth quake 28:12 where they've lost their homes, they've lost their businesses. 28:16 So these people again were desperately poor 28:19 before the earthquake, even more so afterwards. 28:22 So just since the 25th of April when we had the first 28:26 earthquake, we've given over four and a half billion rupees 28:30 of free medical care to the people of Nepal. 28:33 That's amazing. 28:35 And what we have seen Helen Egger has been so good 28:39 in keeping us updated sending the reports of just-- 28:44 with food shortage, the trouble of getting supplies in. 28:48 Have you found, I mean, have you found good suppliers 28:51 to get supplies to you? 28:53 Yeah, the problem is not necessarily getting supplies 28:56 into the country, it's getting them distributed 28:59 out to some of the more rural areas. 29:02 If you've never been to Nepal, it's hard to fully appreciate 29:06 how remote some of these areas are. 29:09 You can drive certain distance but from there you have to hire 29:14 porters and go on these small footpaths up to remote areas 29:18 and some of these people have not received any help. 29:21 One of the things the hospital is doing is we're actually 29:24 sending medical teams out into these difficult-to-reach places 29:29 and it's-- I mean, it's becoming even more of a problem 29:35 what the onset of the monsoon rains, 29:38 which just started last week. 29:42 What about your staffing needs? 29:44 Are you fully staffed or do you need people to come over? 29:47 Do you accept volunteers? Tell us about that. 29:51 Yeah, we do accept the volunteers 29:53 and I would ask people to email me directly 29:57 at ceo.smh@gmail.com 30:02 if they are interested in volunteering. 30:06 ceo@smh... smh. 30:10 Okay, ceo.smh@gmail.com 30:16 Right. All right. 30:20 Primarily what we need the most right now is people's funds. 30:25 It's money. 30:26 And I do want to take an opportunity to thank 30:30 the viewers of our program 30:32 who have donated money for our hospital. 30:35 They probably don't fully realize how far that money goes 30:38 in Nepal that the sorts of... 30:40 You know, if an average visit is 40 cents for medical care, 30:44 you can imagine if you send a hundred dollars, 30:46 that's going along way there. 30:47 Yeah, and I realize that probably 30:50 for some of your viewers, that this is a sacrifice 30:54 that by giving money to our hospital 30:57 through Asian Aid, that they are going with 31:00 our thanks and you know, on behalf of the people 31:05 of Nepal I just want to say, thank you. 31:08 And they really can't 4fully appreciate how much that means. 31:12 Well, Dr. Mole, I don't know if they can tell right now, 31:15 if the camera could catch his eyes, 31:17 but he's become very emotional and that's a very heartfelt 31:20 and sincere thank you. 31:22 It is amazing the work that you're doing. 31:25 Jim, we're so glad that you gave us the opportunity 31:29 by introducing it to 3ABN, to give us personally 31:32 and our viewers the opportunity to support this. 31:36 Tell us a little what Asian Aid is doing now. 31:41 In Nepal? In Nepal. 31:42 Well, in Nepal we are currently focused on raising funds 31:47 for the rescue operation. 31:49 You can hear from Dale, well, that's the big need. 31:52 So the appeal is still open. 31:54 So people can go to our website and still donate. 31:57 That's the real need. 31:59 We're also looking at the school... 32:01 Now when you say, they can go to your website, 32:03 they can donate for Scheer Memorial hospital 32:05 at your website. So they go to asainaid.org. 32:08 It's asianaid.org. 32:11 It's very clear, they can pick Scheer Memorial hospital 32:14 and we get the funds directly to Scheer. 32:18 We got full text adaptability and we have direct relationship 32:23 with the hospital. 32:24 We're also looking at what we can do with the school. 32:27 We'd really like to-- it's exciting that Dale has a vision 32:31 for the children. 32:32 So we're looking at extending the school there or even trying 32:36 to build a boarding school. 32:38 So we're exploring how we can grow our sponsorship program. 32:42 As I said, we've got about 50 children there already. 32:46 And that brings me to a question. 32:49 How does a surgeon, a doctor, a CEO of this hospital, 32:52 how did the Lord give you this vision for the children? 32:57 Well, you know, I think it's just the matter 32:59 of going there and seeing the desperate situation 33:03 that, you know, again money goes a long ways there. 33:07 And the hospital is been there since 1960 33:13 and I think the work could go a lot further than it has. 33:18 I think the earthquake in some respects, 33:21 it was a real tragedy, there's no doubt about that. 33:24 But it has given the Adventist Church 33:28 the opportunity to move forward and expand 33:31 in some of the affected districts over 90% 33:35 of the government health clinics have been destroyed. 33:38 So these people have no place to go. 33:40 And this is the time that we need to expand 33:45 Adventist health care in Nepal. 33:47 And if without the funding I'm sure in the early days 33:50 you had to turn many people away. 33:52 You just didn't have the supplies. 33:54 So without this funding there would be many 33:57 who would be going unattended. 33:59 I know that things are desperate there 34:01 and we're just so grateful to God 34:03 that both of your organizations are reaching out to meet 34:08 the needs of the people. 34:09 Well, and Jim was a real lifesaver, I got to tell you. 34:12 I got-- my job is taking care of sick people 34:16 and trying to run a hospital which was difficult 34:18 enough before the earthquake but afterwards, 34:21 things were even more chaotic 34:23 and Jim came in through both him and 3ABN, 34:29 I mean, you have really been a lifeline 34:31 and have dramatically changed the lives of many 34:35 Nepali's in ways that you will never fully appreciate. 34:38 Not until that-- someday 34:40 when we're on the sea of glass, right? 34:41 Amen, amen. 34:43 Well, I know that God has called both of you 34:47 to your positions and you know, 34:49 sometimes we use the word 34:50 CEO and it sounds lofty. 34:53 What I have found in supporting ministries of the church 34:57 that it just means you're gonna work twice as hard 34:59 and wear many hats. 35:02 But we want to thank you for your dedication 35:05 and your compassion as well as for Scheer Memorial hospital 35:09 and for Asian Aid. 35:11 And we truly want to thank you at home who had supported 35:15 both of these ministries and it's still as you heard 35:19 Dr. Mole say, they're still in need, 35:21 a great need in Nepal and Scheer Memorial hospital 35:24 still has a great need for funding. 35:26 I know my husband and I personally supported this 35:29 as we also support Asian Aid and you know, 35:34 I don't say that in a prideful way, 35:36 it's something that when some of us can only, 35:41 we can support every work out there 35:43 and sometimes we can always support by prayer. 35:48 But I believe that there's times that we have to make 35:50 a sacrifice in realize that what a $100 could 35:54 do for you here. 35:56 It's very little compared to what $100 can do in Nepal. 35:59 And sometimes that sacrifice brings 36:02 back a 100 fold return on it. 36:05 So we want to thank all of our viewers 36:07 who have already supported. 36:09 If you would like to continue to support, 36:11 you can go to asianaid.org and just click 36:16 on the Scheer Memorial hospital link were you can support that. 36:21 Gentlemen, do you have a final thought that you would like 36:23 to leave with our viewers. 36:25 Well, I've, you know, one thing that just to help 36:30 express how desperate the situation is, 36:33 I mean, we have patients 36:36 that come in with attempted suicides. 36:40 Their situation is so desperate that they just can't see a way 36:47 to go on. 36:48 So again I would just appeal to your viewers to help 36:53 in any way they can, to assess the people of Nepal. 36:58 And I believe that's the earmark 37:01 of a Christian is to have compassion and generosity. 37:04 Dr. Dale Mole, thank you for your work, 37:07 thank you for being here today. 37:09 Jim Rennie, it's always a pleasure to have you here 37:12 and once again we want to thank 37:13 all of our viewers and stay tuned 37:15 for more interesting reports of the work that's been done 37:18 around the world, by the Lord through Seventh-day Adventists. 37:23 Thank you. 37:28 You know, you got to love the dedication 37:30 of our Adventists workers, our missionaries, 37:32 our medical personnel all around 37:34 the world, who are working under such adverse conditions 37:38 to do the work of the Lord. 37:40 Next up, John Lomacang had the opportunity to interview 37:45 Colonel David Stern Crockett, his fifth great grandson, 37:52 hisname is Ryan. 37:53 Ryan McCoy. 37:55 He's a speaker and director for Sealing Time Ministries. 37:59 This is a Bible based medium ministry, home based 38:02 and located just outside of Nampa, Idaho. 38:05 So there is connection between the Adventist Church 38:08 and the famous David Crocket. 38:10 This is a nice interview, you'll enjoy it. 38:15 Hello, friends. 38:16 This is John Lomacang coming to you from 38:18 the 60th General Conference session 38:20 here in San Antonio, Texas. 38:23 It's a wonderful time we are having here meeting 38:25 so many people that are not just a supporters of 3ABN 38:29 but also people that are on our programming, 38:32 people that are guests 38:33 on many of the shows that we have done. 38:36 And today I want to introduce you to someone 38:38 that to me is the real McCoy. His name is Ryan. 38:42 Ryan, so good to have you here today. 38:44 Thank you, John. 38:45 You know, I want the viewers to know why I kind of led 38:49 into the phrase that you are the "real McCoy" 38:52 and I want to add, your side burns kind of allude to that. 38:55 Tell us about who you are, a little about your background 38:58 and then we'll get to what you do right now 39:00 iin just a few moments. 39:01 Well, John, I'm the fifth great grandson of Colonel 39:06 and Congressmen David "Davy" as he was more well known, 39:11 Stern Crockett. 39:13 And he died at the Alamo, the famous battle in 1836 39:19 resulting-- really in the end in the state of Texas 39:23 and this has been a bastion year 39:27 of independence and freedom ever since. 39:30 And a lot of people just to remind you, 39:31 we are here in San Antonio, Texas 39:33 and the Alamo that very historical sport is not too far 39:38 away from the Alamo dome. 39:39 Last night I had a chance to go on the river walk, 39:42 boat ride and they talked about where it is 39:44 and I have yet to see it. 39:45 But just kind of-- just to reiterate "Davy" Crockett, 39:48 as many people know him as, Colonel "Davy" Crockett. 39:51 But he has a rich history. 39:53 A lot of people may remember him as "Davy" Crockett, 39:56 the guy that they have seen on television, 39:58 many movies that have been done about his life. 40:01 But he was also in a different branch of service. 40:03 Let's talk about that. 40:05 So he was well known as a Congressman, 40:10 you know, at the time. 40:12 He served several different terms. 40:15 There were a lot of different majors 40:18 that he was part of and as a result, 40:21 he was probably one of one account says, 40:24 he was the most feared Congressman at the time. 40:28 As well as of course, you know just being a folk hero, 40:31 he was well aware of based on what I understand in history 40:35 of the persona that was building around him. 40:39 He used it to his advantage to gain various ends 40:43 and been a frontiersman, you know. 40:46 He was a salt of the earth person. 40:50 He understood what it was really like out in the field. 40:54 And so when people say, "Remember the Alamo," 40:56 we are really in essence saying Colonel David Stern Crockett 41:01 had so much involvement in that. 41:05 We have a book I want to share with the-- 41:07 well, actually you're gonna share quotation 41:08 from that in just a few moments here. 41:10 But he was not only an individual, 41:12 that was as senator, a colonel in the army but... 41:17 In militia. In the militia. 41:18 In the militia, Tennessee militia. 41:20 And just give us an overview what that battle was all about 41:22 because you talked about "Remember the Alamo." 41:25 So the battle of the Alamo, Senator Crockett, 41:29 Colonel Crockett at the end of the time 41:31 came out interested in land. 41:34 He actually signed up as a private 41:35 at the age of 49 under Colonel Travis. 41:40 He ended up in this famous now battle of the Alamo 41:46 fighting for independence and Texian freedom, 41:49 I did not mispronounce that, Texian. 41:52 And it was a famous battle in part, 41:57 not because necessarily of his name 41:59 but because the odds were ridiculously against them. 42:05 Santa Anna brought thousands of men. 42:08 Some of them had marched 700 miles. 42:11 And when they arrived here, Santa Anna was known 42:15 for brutality and tyranny and he was there to put down 42:19 an insurrection or an uprising among the Texians. 42:23 You know, Colonel Travis and the others, 42:25 the Bowie, the Tennessee boys 42:28 and Colonel Crockett were all there. 42:34 And it was real confluence you could say 42:37 they are of perfect storm and they were outnumbered, 42:41 out gunned, everything was against them 42:45 and they chose to take a stand 42:50 even though they knew those odds were against them. 42:54 If you look in the memoirs, 42:55 he was well aware of the consequences 42:57 of his actions and that the enemy may 43:00 well take the ford. 43:01 But he dug his heels, and I want you to get that book 43:03 and share that quote, you know, what in called, 43:05 his famous last words as the battle was winding down. 43:09 Share that with me right now so that our listeners 43:12 and our viewers could know because this uprising, 43:17 this resistance that he was involved in was one well known. 43:22 I learnt about it in history, American history. 43:25 But it's amazing that I'm meeting someone 43:26 that's connected in the lineage and what he said in the closing 43:31 moments knowing that this battle was winding down. 43:35 There are some words that I like our audience 43:38 to remember of what he quoted that particular day. 43:40 It was actually included in this memoir. 43:43 So this memoir here, this is dated, printed 1865. 43:48 It's a 150 years old this year. So this is a very old book. 43:53 The very last words, March 5, 1836, was the year 44:01 and he says, "Pop, pop, pop! 44:03 Bom, bom, bom!" 44:05 Short for boom, boom, boom, "throughout the day." 44:08 They were under heavy canon fire, 44:11 the pages previous to this, he mentioned it as hail. 44:15 "No time for memorandums now. Go ahead! 44:18 Liberty and Independence forever." 44:21 And it says, here ends Colonel Crockett's manuscript. 44:24 Those are the very last words of David Crockett. 44:29 And the battle is still memorable today. 44:33 People that come to San Antonio, 44:36 they've told many of our constituents 44:37 that have come from all over the world, 44:39 dont forget the alamo, remember the Alamo." 44:42 But there's also something else in his lineage 44:45 from the grand son of David Crockett 44:48 on the issue of religious liberty. 44:50 Talk about that today. 44:51 Yeah, so in 1885, 44:56 Senator Robert Hamilton Crockett, 44:59 he is an indirect relation of mine 45:02 but through David Crockett, still a family relation. 45:07 There was Sunday laws 45:08 on the books in the State of Arkansas 45:11 and this is-- he was senator in the State of Arkansas. 45:15 It came to his attention that there was a lot 45:18 of persecution going on. 45:19 Right. 45:21 There was one story in particular, 45:23 that is, just heart-wrenching 45:26 of what happened to one family. 45:28 And as a result, he went into the senate 45:33 in Arkansas and he related the number of stories. 45:36 I'll read just a few sentences from Liberty Magazine. 45:41 1939, second quarter and this is about page 17. 45:46 Okay. 45:47 "Senator Crockett mentioned scores of cases 45:50 were Seventh-day Adventists 45:51 and Seventh-day Baptists have been fined 45:53 and imprisoned for no other crime 45:55 than resting on the seventh day of the week 45:58 and working on the other six days 46:00 as God had commanded them to do. 46:03 He told how they had settled in the days in Arkansas 46:06 while it was yet a wilderness 46:07 filled with the howl of the wolf 46:09 and the scream of the panther and the wail of the wild cat. 46:12 They soon changed the wilderness, the prairies, 46:14 the valleys into a veritable paradise. 46:17 These people, many of them said he, Seventh-day Adventists and 46:21 and Seventh-day Baptists, 46:22 these are people who religiously 46:23 and conscientiously keep Saturday, 46:25 the seventh day as the Sabbath," 46:28 and it goes on. 46:29 So this issue that we're looking 46:31 at that shaping the future of America 46:34 and has become an issue around the world's 46:36 Sabbath versus Sunday was not new. 46:39 It was something that our earlier pioneers 46:41 in America had faced and addressed 46:43 that very same issue. 46:44 And so as a result of his impassionate plea 46:47 to the senate, there were laws immediately 46:49 put back on the Adventists were put on to the books. 46:56 So this, you know, the Crockett line and family has a history 47:00 of standing up for what they believe and it actually has 47:04 relations to our Seventh-day Adventists church. 47:06 Praise the Lord for that. 47:07 Now I want to get to your story very quickly. 47:08 We don't have a lot of time. 47:10 This is kind of a viney ard of an interview. 47:11 Tell us about you coming to the Lord 47:13 and then we'll talk about your ministry. 47:15 So in my early 20s I drifted out the church 47:19 as a result, you know it's a long story. 47:21 But I ended up owning 47:24 a little land out in the middle of no where. 47:25 And Manistee National Forests surrounded us. 47:29 No electricity, no water. 47:32 You could kind of liken it to a Doug Batchelor's story 47:34 minus the cave. 47:35 Minus the cave. 47:37 But as a result, 47:39 you know I have a lot of time to think about God. 47:40 I have a lot of time to read. 47:42 Right. 47:43 I decided that I would get a 3ABN dish. 47:48 Now without electricity that's a bit of a challenge. 47:50 But we would run a generator, use batteries at first 47:53 and those things to watch 3ABN. 47:56 As a result I became convicted that I really needed to go back 47:59 to church to pay my tithe, of all things. 48:02 You know, I knew the truth. That wasn't anything new. 48:06 But as a result we decided to go back to church, 48:08 pay our tithe and the result of that, 48:11 when God promises that "He'll pour out a blessing, 48:13 you can't receive," He follows through with that. 48:16 And it was just incredible what happened after that 48:19 and we got into ministering. 48:21 And the Lord-- 48:23 I like what you said a moment ago, convicted. 48:25 Recently I was toying with the two statements, 48:27 convicted and converted. 48:28 A lot of people are convicted about the truth, 48:30 convicted about the Sabbath, 48:32 the truth of the state of the dead 48:33 and the sanctuary, but they are not converted. 48:35 So these truths that you were convicted of in your past, 48:39 didn't at that-- up until that point lead to conversion. 48:42 Now you're converted and convicted. 48:44 My 30th birthday, I was outside, 48:47 after watching 3ABN, 48:48 I was outside enjoying the sunshine. 48:51 I just finished the book Desire of Ages. 48:53 It was Sabbath morning, I was not in church 48:56 and the Lord spoke at my 30th birthday, 49:00 the Lord spoke into my mind at that morning and he said, 49:02 "Ryan, today is your 30th birthday, 49:05 My Son began His ministry for Me on His 30th birthday. 49:10 What are you doing for me?" 49:12 And the rest of the day, I have to be honest, 49:14 I really didn't have much to say. 49:16 I was dumbfounded and thought. 49:21 And as a result you began a ministry 49:22 called Sealing Time Ministry. 49:24 Tell us about that briefly. 49:26 Yes, so Sealing Time Ministries is a multifaceted ministry. 49:31 We produce video, 49:33 we have produced thousands of hour video for now 49:36 for 140 Adventists speakers so far. 49:40 You being one of them. Oh, that's right, 49:42 And we went for camp meeting, went to California. 49:44 Surviving the Crisis. That's right. 49:46 The Coming Crisis, I think it was. 49:48 The Coming Crisis, yes. 49:49 And the outreach is just going around the world. 49:54 We have so many different subjects. 49:55 It's a multifaceted with a number of speakers. 49:59 We're reaching people all over the world. 50:00 Some of those is like 50:02 Shawn Boonstra from Voice of Prophecy. 50:04 So yes, we actually provide also stringing services 50:08 as well as website hosting. 50:11 Voice of Prophecy has been 50:12 one of our most prominent clients. 50:16 We helped streamed their big evangelistic meetings 50:18 to all their satellite churches. 50:20 And recently, with the ministry the Lord has given to you, 50:25 you have had an opportunity. 50:26 I looked at the magazine 50:28 that you shared with me earlier today. 50:30 In the GC edition of the Adventist review, 50:33 you are featured. 50:35 And tell us about the story about that reading the portions 50:37 of the Declaration of Independence. 50:40 Well, so on the fourth of July, 50:42 I read the Declaration of Independence over the Alamo. 50:45 I was the featured guest. They had me greeting guest. 50:48 It was a huge honor. 50:51 As a result, of course, 50:53 you know, because of religious liberty 50:55 and those things, there's a number of different 50:59 avenues of interest that happened because of that. 51:04 As a result, 51:06 because of the family heritage and those things, 51:09 so they gave me the flag from-- 51:12 that was flown over the Alamo on the fourth of July 2015, 51:16 during our GC session here. 51:18 Amazing. 51:19 And then we've got a certificate as well 51:22 as to that fact. 51:25 Look at that, look at that. 51:27 And that was just recently given to you 51:28 'cause I'm looking at the dates July 4, 2015. 51:30 Yes, this was given a few days ago to me. 51:33 And so it's certifies both the flag here 51:35 and my family heritage as well. 51:39 That's wonderful. 51:40 Now as you think of the future of Sealing Time Ministries, 51:46 what would you say to those that are watching this program 51:48 and I want to wind up with the quotation 51:50 that was included in that article. 51:52 I'll share that with our viewers. 51:54 What would you say to encourage individuals? 51:55 Because we are living, I believe, in the sealing time. 51:58 I think that's a part of it and also highlighting 52:01 you do accept invitations, am I correct? 52:03 Yes, so I actually am a student of eschatology. 52:08 I very much enjoy studying it. 52:10 That's one of the things that I was doing out there. 52:12 I was doing a lot of study. 52:14 Yes, I do speaking engagements. 52:15 We have traveled all over the US, 52:17 even outside of the US. 52:19 Just recently I began to share more of the family history. 52:24 As a result, the family history, 52:26 David Crockett knew 52:27 what it meant to draw line in the sand. 52:30 He knew what it meant to take a stand for what he believes. 52:34 And as we head into these last days, 52:36 regardless of whether we wanted to or not, 52:39 there are lines been drawn in the sand 52:41 and everyone of us needs to know where we stand. 52:43 Wow, praise the Lord. 52:44 Well, Ryan, it's good to have you here today. 52:46 But before we wind up, I want to read this quotation 52:48 that was featured in that article 52:50 of the Adventist Review. 52:51 It said and I'm quoting you, 52:53 "It doesn't take a whole lot of people 52:55 to make a difference in this world." 52:58 Ryan, thank you for allowing the Lord to use you, 53:01 to make a difference, not only in your lineage 53:04 but we are truly living in the time of the sealing 53:06 and the Lord has the people standing firmly 53:09 for sharing the truth 53:10 and getting other people ready for the time in which we live. 53:13 God bless you, thank you so much for being here. 53:15 And friends, may the Lord continue 53:16 blessing you here at GC, 2015. 53:24 One of the things that we are constantly impressed by 53:27 is the fact that God is doing so very many things 53:30 on so many different fronts 53:32 to promote the gospel around the world. 53:34 They are ministries like 3ABN, 53:36 which has the opportunity to highlight other ministries. 53:40 But one of the things that we see is that 53:42 there is really no place on planet earth 53:43 where men and women are 53:45 where they are not people of God, 53:47 people of goodwill 53:48 who are lifting up the mighty and matchless name of Jesus. 53:51 Three very unique ministries that are all very contemporary 53:56 in their affect and effect. 53:59 One, "Tell the World," 54:00 a movie, a film about the history of the church. 54:05 Two, a hospital mission, medical ministry under attack 54:10 by the forces of nature. 54:11 And then this fifth great grandson 54:15 of the famous Davy Crockett doing what he can 54:19 to lift up the name of Jesus. 54:20 We'll go to our news break. 54:22 Then we'll be back with the closing thought. |
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