I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Removing pain
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Lord, let my words
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Heal a heart that hurts
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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I want to spend my life
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Mending broken people
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Hello and welcome to 3ABN Today.
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My name is C.A. Murray.
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And thank you for
sharing sometime with us
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and for joining us on
a very special program.
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Just recently we
taped a number of interviews
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at the recent
General Conference session
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in July of 2015.
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What a wonderful
time we had as we talked
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to ministers and
learned about ministries
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and great things
that are being done
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in the name of Jesus Christ.
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Shelley Quinn had a chance
to talk to Dr. Allan Lindsay.
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Then we are talking
about a brand new video,
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actually a cinematic
presentation of the early days
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of the Advent movement.
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The movie is
called "Tell the World."
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This is an interesting interview
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talking abut a very
interesting subject.
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Hello, we are here
again on the convention floor
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and in San Antonia and
it's a beautiful day here.
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And there are so many
people at this conference.
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It's just been
a blessing to meet
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our brothers and
sisters in Christ
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in its little taste of heaven.
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But we have some one
in the production booth
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with us right now who
is very special to me,
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he's a friend of
3ABN's and a personal friend.
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And let me introduce
you to Dr. Allan Lindsay.
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Allan, I thank you
so much for coming by.
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Please-- you are not a
stranger to the viewers of 3ABN
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because you have a very
popular program on 3ABN.
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But if you would, let's
just kind of step back in time
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and tell us just a
little bit about your life,
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your work with the church.
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Well, Shelley, I
became an Adventist
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in my mid teens
through a mission,
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an evangelistic
effort that was conducted
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in Sydney in Australia.
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I then went to
college in Australia.
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I did a degree, got a
degree of BA Theology there,
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entered the work in
New Zealand for a while.
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Then I came back to
do further education
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and then swapped
over a little bit
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into religious
education and teaching
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and taught for a while
at Avondale in the area
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of Christian education.
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And then it came about
in a rather strange way
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that somebody found out that
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I had an interest
in Adventist history
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and that was the reason
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why I was encouraged
to go Andrews University
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to particularly specialize
in religious education
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as well particularly
in Adventist history.
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And I had Dr.
George Knight, for example,
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on of our leading
authors basically.
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He was one of my
teachers and really arouse in me
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a greater love
for Adventist history
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and the wonderful way the
Lord has led us as a people.
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And I am really convinced
as I look back then and now,
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even more so that we
have a wonderful story to tell
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about God's leading.
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And so that arouse my
interest in Adventist history.
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One thing led to another
and the leaders in the church
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suggested that I make a,
or be involved with making
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a video series which
became Keepers of the Flame.
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And you know, you
spent 30 years at Avondale
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and you've eventually,
you are on the Ellen White
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research team.
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I was. And you did that--
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What year did you
"Keepers of the Flame?"
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We-- they-- a
little church in Australia
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gave me six months
off my teaching schedule
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to write the script to
study and write the script
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for this new series,
"Keepers of the Flame,"
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that was in 1988.
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1980 was spent
largely in filming
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because we spent
seven weeks in Europe,
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three weeks in the United States
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and two weeks in Australia,
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about three months all together,
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filming the series which
became "Keepers of the Flame."
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When you did this in
1989, did you have any idea
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this documentary,
this historical documentary
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of the Adventist movement,
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did you have any idea it
will still be playing today?
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I had no idea at all.
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I remember we used to talk
when we were making the film,
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"Well, now who's
going to view this film
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on Adventist history?
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Maybe some older people
will and some new people will,
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who are coming into the church.
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It might be of
interest to young people."
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But nobody on
the team ever dreamt
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that it would go to
the world as it has done.
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Well, I know it's
been one of the more
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popular programs on 3ABN.
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And I can recall,
before I became an Adventist
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watching it with keen interest
because it was something that--
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I think it's important
for us to remember our roots.
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Well, very important. I
think it's very important.
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And when you think about
this work in this movement,
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we have had this documentary.
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But right now you've
been working on a new project.
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That's true. That
is just being released.
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And tell us about the new film,
if you will, it's more of an--
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well, it's a film. It's
not really a documentary.
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Not, not like
"Keepers of the Flame."
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It's a show, if you will. Yes.
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Tell us about the
new film, tell the World.
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It was the
president of the Australian
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Union Conference,
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Pastor Chester Stanley,
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who first had in
his mind the idea,
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and I'm sure the Lord gave
it to him, to make a movie film.
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He felt that young people
particularly, are attracted
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more to something visual.
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They don't read books
perhaps as much as they used to.
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And therefore,
to make a movie film
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of our early history was
so very important to him.
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So that's about three
of four years ago now.
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The idea was developed in
the Australian union conference
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and then the
scripts began to be written
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and then the
filming was done in Canada.
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They chose a village,
south if Ottawa, in Canada,
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called the Upper Canada village.
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And it's a village
that was really a recreation
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of an American or
a Canadian village
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in the 1850s and 60s.
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So this was a
wonderful discovery.
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I mean, it meant that
we didn't have to worry
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about the interior of
houses, the artifacts in houses.
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It was all set up
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by the churches and
houses that were there.
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And so that was
used very largely,
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almost entirely as the site
for the making of this film.
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So it's a two
and half hour movie.
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And it covers the
history of our church
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from the time of William Miller,
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when he was
wrestling with his old beliefs
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and finding Jesus again.
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That was in 18--
coming up to the 1820s
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and it concludes in 1874.
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The title of the movie
is "Tell the World," Shelly
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and 1874 seemed to be a good
closing off point for a movie
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because that was the
year when our first missionary
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J.N. Andrews, was the first
official missionary, I guess,
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to leave America
and travel of course,
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to Switzerland and
begin the work in Europe.
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Amen, amen.
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So this new film, this
movie would be released in
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and be able to-- You
can purchase this through
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the ABC and
when is that release?
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We are hoping that it
will be released in the fall,
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the American fall,
September, October, November.
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And of course, we are hoping
that it will also be translated
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at least into
Spanish and Portuguese.
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We hope next year
to make it available
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for our brothers
and sisters there.
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You worked as the
Historical Consultant.
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I did. Yes.
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On this project.
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I would like for you just
to share with our viewers,
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some of the--
the wonderful truths,
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some of the wonderful events
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that are included in this movie.
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Well, we tried to
cover the major events
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in that period of
time that I just mentioned.
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William Miller, of course,
to me was a wonderful man.
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He never became a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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But he laid the foundation
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for the rise of
the Adventist Church.
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And even though he came
up to the disappointment,
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was bitterly disappointed.
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I always remember the
words that he wrote afterwards,
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"I have set my
mind on another time.
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And that time is today, today,
today and till the Lord comes."
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Yeah, for some of our
viewers who may not be familiar
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with what The
Great Disappointment was,
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explain that.
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William Miller had
studied the prophecies of Daniel
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and particularly Daniel
8:14, that longest time prophesy
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in the Bible, the 2300 years.
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He became
convinced that it ended in--
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about 1843 he said originally.
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Then it was moved a
little bit because he realized
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that there was no year
zero when you cross from
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B.C. to A.D. time.
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And eventually they set the date
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based upon Biblical evidences
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that was expressed at
the time as 0ctober 22, 1844.
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And that was the day for what?
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That was the day
when they expected
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that the Lord would
come to cleanse the earth.
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The text said
unto 2300 days, years,
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then shall the
sanctuary be cleansed.
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Miller thought that the
sanctuary was the earth,
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its cleansing was
the Second Coming.
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Therefore, they
expected and this involved
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tens of thousands of people
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in the United
States, particularly.
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Of all different denominations.
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Of all the different
denominations believing
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that Jesus was
going to come on that day.
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He didn't come and that caused
a tremendous disappointment
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at the time and
that's why we call
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it The Great Disappointment.
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And yet the Lord led
through that disappointment
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through a small group
of people who said no.
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The Lord is still being leading
us, where we had much evidence
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that Jesus was in the
movement, that the Holy Spirit
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was there in the movement.
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Many came to know
the Lord has resolved.
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They continued
to study the Bible.
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And then the Lord
began to unfold to them
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some very significant truths.
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The truth of the Sabbath,
the truth of Jesus' ministry
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and the heavenly sanctuary.
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And those are
traced in the movie
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as we continue
this, the wonderful story
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of God's leading.
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And this is the exciting thing
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because there is
young Ellen Harmon.
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Tell us about her
beginnings with the church.
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Well, Ellen Harmon also
believed with her family,
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her Methodist
family up there in Portland
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in the state of Maine.
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They believed in
William Miller's teachings.
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In fact, they were cast
out of the Methodist Church
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because they believed
that Jesus was coming.
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Ellen Harmon later
wrote that that year,
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1844 was the
happiest year in her life.
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She loved Jesus
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and she was looking forward
to seeing Him on October 22.
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When He didn't come, her
disappointment was bitter.
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But it was only a
couple of months after that
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in December 1844
that the Lord reached down
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to that young girl, given
up to die in three months.
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I mean, she was in a
very sickly condition.
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But the Lord laid His hand
upon and gave her in December,
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the first of some 2000
visions that she was to receive
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over the next 70
years of her ministry.
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And we believe as
Seventh-day Adventist
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that at that time the Lord
gave her the gift of prophecy.
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And she was used by
God over the next 70 years
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to marvelously
lead and guide and warn
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and encourage the church
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and particularly, to
draw the church to Jesus.
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She loved Jesus
herself and she wanted--
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her greatest aim was to
bring people to know Jesus.
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And she was such a
person of great humility
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and I appreciate so much
that how she would say that,
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you know, she was a lesser light
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pointing to the greater
light, that's exactly...
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because
everything that she wrote was
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based on scripture and
she even said at one point.
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If people would
really study their Bibles
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that her writings
wouldn't even be necessary.
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That is true.
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She was never want to put
herself above the scripture.
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but that, you know, I
wanted to point that out
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because there are
sometimes people who hear
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if a church has a
prophet, they'll think
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"Oh, well, it's got to
be different in the Bible."
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But everything she did
supported the Bible completely.
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And she herself said
that if there is material
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in her writings, then
that believed the Bible.
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We have to believe the Bible.
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And I'm so glad
that she said that
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even at that crucial time
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when we were studying
the doctrines of the Bible.
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She had a remarkable experience
and as much as she tells us
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that her mind was not so
that she couldn't understand
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the scriptures that
the pioneers were studying.
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And I believe that
her mind was locked
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and this is
featured in "Tell the World,"
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the movie film.
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It was locked in order to avoid
any charge that our teachings,
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as they developed
came from the word of God.
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It was to prove that
they came from the word of God
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and not from her
visionary experience at all.
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And that's important. Amen.
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What do you think is
one of the highlights
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of this new movie
film 'Tell the World?'
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Well, that's a
hard question, Shelley,
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because they were
so many highlights
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as I look back.
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There is some very
emotional moments in the film
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because Ellen
White lost two sons,
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a little baby
of three months old
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and her 16 year old
son and that was very great
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tragedy in her life.
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And that's portrayed.
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So there are some
emotional moments.
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But there are some great moments
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in terms of the
organization of the church
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taking the name
Seventh-day Adventist
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which was to
present to the world
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those two
wonderful truths, the Sabbath
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and the soon coming of Jesus.
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The emphasis to on
preparing the world,
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Tell the World with J.N.
Andrews going out in 1874,
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those were the
some of the highlights.
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But it's a movie that
as I look back upon it,
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it really tells the story
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and reminds us of
that wonderful statement
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Ellen White said,
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"We have nothing to
fear for the future,
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except as we shall forget
the way the Lord has led us,
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and His teaching
in our past history."
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Amen.
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And this is something that
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you worked as a
Historical consultant.
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I did.
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It's like, first you
developed the documentary
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and now
you'vebeen working on this
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and I know that this was
a great satisfaction to you
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as part of your life's work.
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It carried a lot
of responsibility.
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I mean, at the
beginning, particularly,
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I was associated
with Dr. George Knight
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and Pastor Jim Nix
of the White Estate.
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But I carried I
guess the major burden
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because I was in Australia
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whereas they were
in the United States
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and so it made a lot
easier to carry it on.
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Why do think this movie film
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was so important
for this generation?
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I believe it's
important for this generation,
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not only the young
but the old as well,
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because remembering our past
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contribute so
much to our identity.
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If I could remove every
member you had from this point,
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Shelley, back
to your beginnings,
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you would lose your identity.
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And I believe that's the same
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as far as the
church is concerned.
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If we don't
realize why we exist,
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we lose our sense of mission.
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We have no
purpose for the future.
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But when we realize that
God raised up this people
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to proclaim His last
message to the world,
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in the context of
the everlasting gospel,
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then that gives us all
the impetus we need to say
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we have a message for the world,
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Jesus is coming
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and our role is to
prepare the world for that.
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And that's an
awesome responsibility
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and this film I believe
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I wanted to really
tell that wonderful story
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to confirm people's
faith that Jesus is coming,
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but the God
raised up this people
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to proclaim His last
message to the world.
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And to understand that
this, the Seventh-day Adventists
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began from many
different denominations
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coming together
in deep Bible study.
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And understanding or
receiving greater light
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and now this is
not just a church
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but it is a movement.
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And we believe it is
God's last day movement.
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Indeed, indeed. Yes.
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Allan, thank you so
much for joining us today
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and for those of you at home,
if you-- as you're watching,
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remember that this project
will be released this fall
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or probably, September,
October and you will be able
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to get that at the ABC's
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and the movie is
titled "Tell the World."
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And it is a wonderful film.
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I've seen portions of it.
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I'm looking forward
to seeing the entire one.
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But is something
that will remind you
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of what our roots
are, it will inspire you
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as to how God
has moved in the past
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and how He'll
continue to move in the future.
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So we thank you so much
for being with us, Allan.
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God bless you for
all of your hard work.
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And God bless
you too. Thank you.
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As a lover of church history
and denominational history,
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I'm looking forward
to this wonderful film
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called "Tell the
World," which will be out
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in the fall of 2015.
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Up next, Shelley
Quinn had a chance
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to talk with Jim
Rennie and Dale Mole,
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they both of that
wonderful Asian Aid Ministry.
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They are gonna be talking
about the recent earth quake
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there in Nepal
and how medical work
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continued even in the
midst of the earthquake.
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A baby was delivered in
courtyard of the hospital
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right at the height
of that earth quake.
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It's an interesting story
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and the one
you'll be blessed by.
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Hi, I'm Shelley Quinn.
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Again we're coming to you
from the convention hall floor
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where you can hear
all the ambient noise
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going behind us.
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But we are here
at the GC session
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2015 in San Antonio, Texas
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and our special
guest for this interview
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are Dr. Dale Mole.
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He is the CEO of Scheer
Memorial hospital in Nepal
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and we also have a dear
friend Jim Rennie who is with us
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who is the CEO of Asian Aid
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and we want to
welcome both of you.
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Jim, I'm going to
start with you actually.
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You are not a
stranger to our 3ABN viewers.
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Asian Aid has a
beautiful program on 3ABN
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and it has been doing
a great work in India.
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Tell us just
briefly about Asian Aid
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for someone that
might be new to the network
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and tell us about
the recent appeal,
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how you introduced us to
Scheer Memorial Hospital.
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Thanks Shelley.
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It's a privilege
to be here again.
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Well, Asian Aid
is a fully supported
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ministry of the church.
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Our key activity
is child sponsorship.
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And we have about over
two and half thousand children
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in Nepal, India, Bangladesh
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and we're just
launching Myanmar.
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Our other activity
includes orphanages,
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school for the blind
and school for the deaf.
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And for a long history in Nepal,
00:20:17.41\00:20:20.28
we've been involved with Scheer
Adventist Memorial hospital,
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both with
women's prolapse surgery
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which Helen
Egger gave the lead in.
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And also with
children's operations
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and on the
grounds of Scheer hospital
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there's an Adventist
school where we have children.
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So we have had a working
relationship with Scheer.
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So when the big earthquake
appeal happened at I rang Dale
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and said, "Look we have to help.
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Could we be the fund raiser,
00:20:49.41\00:20:52.18
key fund raiser
for you in the USA?"
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And so that's why and
how we became involved.
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And then we had the appeal,
3ABN really got behind it.
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3ABN made a huge difference
00:21:05.59\00:21:08.86
and we setting
objective of $200, 000.
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Well, praise the
Lord, we are so fine,
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it's still coming
in and it's donated
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were well over $300,000.
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Glory to God.
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So the partnership
of Asian Aid, 3ABN,
00:21:20.78\00:21:24.25
and Scheer was a very
unique experience for us.
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Amen. And this has been a ---
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it's been
devastating to the area.
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Am I correct Dr.
Mole that you are the only
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Adventist institution in Nepal.
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That's correct, yes. Yeah, okay.
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Before we talk
about the hospital
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and how it was founded,
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tell us a little
about your personal history
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because I think it's fascinating
00:21:45.90\00:21:47.50
and how God
brought you to Nepal.
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Yeah, well, I mean, it's true.
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The Lord does work
in a mysterious ways.
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My parents were
missionaries in the Middle East.
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I was born in Beirut,
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went to Medical
school in Kansas City.
00:22:01.08\00:22:04.09
But wife there who was,
00:22:04.12\00:22:07.26
her parents were
missionaries in India.
00:22:07.29\00:22:09.56
So I was on a Navy
Health professional scholarship
00:22:09.59\00:22:15.66
and the Navy put me
through Medical school
00:22:15.70\00:22:17.93
and I spent 33
1/2 years in the Navy
00:22:17.97\00:22:21.20
as an emergency
medicine physician
00:22:21.24\00:22:23.17
and both clinical
and executive positions.
00:22:23.20\00:22:28.41
After retiring from the Navy,
00:22:28.44\00:22:30.68
it's been a
year at in Antarctica
00:22:30.71\00:22:32.98
at South Pole station,
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it's the Southern
most Adventist in the world
00:22:34.38\00:22:37.35
for about ten months.
00:22:37.39\00:22:39.15
And then I heard about
Scheer Memorial hospital
00:22:39.19\00:22:42.36
and that they were
looking for somebody
00:22:42.39\00:22:44.36
to be the administrator there.
00:22:44.39\00:22:48.20
And my wife and I had always
00:22:48.23\00:22:50.40
talked about doing mission work.
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We didn't realize
00:22:52.80\00:22:56.17
that we were
gonna do it full time.
00:22:56.20\00:23:01.38
and took a leap of
faith, sold our house,
00:23:01.41\00:23:03.61
put all our things in
storage and headed to Nepal.
00:23:03.65\00:23:07.28
praise god.
00:23:07.32\00:23:08.65
So how many beds is
Scheer Memorial hospital?
00:23:08.68\00:23:12.65
We're licensed for 150 beds.
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That's a good
sized hospital. Right.
00:23:15.59\00:23:17.36
It originally started out
as a 20 bed hospital in 1960.
00:23:17.39\00:23:21.96
Stanley, Dr. Stanley Sturgis
was the first doctor there
00:23:22.00\00:23:27.04
and administrator
00:23:27.07\00:23:28.74
and it's gradually
grown over the years
00:23:28.77\00:23:31.37
and now has a
School of Nursing as well.
00:23:31.41\00:23:33.34
Wonderful. We have all seen
00:23:33.38\00:23:36.04
the horrible
footage of the devastation
00:23:36.08\00:23:39.75
of this
earthquake that hit Nepal.
00:23:39.78\00:23:42.05
Tell us your personal, as
eyes and ears on the ground.
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Tell us how, what
kind of an emotional
00:23:46.62\00:23:48.82
impact that had on you.
00:23:48.86\00:23:50.56
Yeah, well, it
was really devastating
00:23:50.59\00:23:52.13
to the people of Nepal.
00:23:52.16\00:23:55.03
I mean, it's a desperately
poor country to begin with.
00:23:55.06\00:23:59.43
But even more so
after this tragedy
00:23:59.47\00:24:03.47
many people were living outside.
00:24:03.51\00:24:05.57
They were
displaced from their homes.
00:24:05.61\00:24:07.14
About three and a half million
according to World Health
00:24:07.18\00:24:10.81
Organization statistics.
00:24:10.85\00:24:14.12
Almost 9000 killed
and I suspect the numbers
00:24:14.15\00:24:20.02
are actually
much higher than that
00:24:20.06\00:24:21.89
because out in the remote areas,
00:24:21.92\00:24:25.39
when somebody dies,
the villagers take care
00:24:25.43\00:24:27.70
of their own, do the cremations
00:24:27.73\00:24:30.23
and these people never show
up on government statistics,
00:24:30.27\00:24:36.20
so even people
00:24:36.24\00:24:39.84
who had homes
that weren't destroyed
00:24:39.87\00:24:44.75
in the initial earthquake,
00:24:44.78\00:24:46.11
were afraid to
live inside their homes.
00:24:46.15\00:24:48.08
So many people living outside.
00:24:48.12\00:24:52.02
The really amazing thing
I think about being in Nepal
00:24:52.05\00:24:56.89
is I probably see more
miracles there in a week
00:24:56.93\00:25:02.60
than I see in a
decade in a developed country
00:25:02.63\00:25:05.60
like the United States.
00:25:05.63\00:25:07.80
When I first got there,
I-- for about first week,
00:25:07.84\00:25:12.24
I felt like getting back
on the plane and heading home.
00:25:12.27\00:25:16.91
The country is so needy
and so desperately poor.
00:25:16.95\00:25:21.82
But you know I saw--
there was a little boy
00:25:21.85\00:25:26.76
who had typhoid fever
00:25:26.79\00:25:28.72
and developed a
bowel proliferation
00:25:28.76\00:25:31.39
as a result of that.
00:25:31.43\00:25:32.76
And he came into our
hospital and in Septic shock.
00:25:32.79\00:25:37.33
He went to the
operating room, has had surgery
00:25:37.37\00:25:40.87
and then went to
the intensive care unit
00:25:40.90\00:25:43.00
and developed adult respiratory
00:25:43.04\00:25:49.21
distress syndrome which
is condition of the lungs.
00:25:49.24\00:25:52.51
It's almost universally fatal.
00:25:52.55\00:25:54.68
So I really expected
that I wouldn't see him
00:25:54.72\00:25:57.85
and his bed the next morning.
00:25:57.89\00:26:00.12
And I couldn't believe it when
not only was he there in bed
00:26:00.16\00:26:04.43
but that afternoon he was
off the ventilator and two days
00:26:04.46\00:26:07.16
later he was sitting up
smiling in the pediatric ward.
00:26:07.20\00:26:11.80
So seeing that I knew
why I had come to Nepal.
00:26:11.83\00:26:16.64
Yeah, I mean it's
and the as a result
00:26:17.51\00:26:20.51
of this earthquake
we had a little girl
00:26:20.54\00:26:22.78
who was still in our hospital.
00:26:22.81\00:26:25.85
She was buried
alive in her house
00:26:25.88\00:26:28.55
and buried in the
rubble for several hours
00:26:28.58\00:26:32.12
and she heard her
father talking outside.
00:26:32.15\00:26:36.02
The family thought she was dead.
00:26:36.06\00:26:37.83
And she yelled out, "quit
talking and come and get me."
00:26:37.86\00:26:42.16
So they dug her
out with a bare hands,
00:26:42.20\00:26:46.33
it took several hours
and her uncle carried her on
00:26:46.37\00:26:51.47
for four or five
hours on a motor cycle.
00:26:51.51\00:26:55.14
She lived in a very remote area
00:26:55.18\00:26:57.15
and brought her to our hospital.
00:26:57.18\00:26:59.61
Now did the hospital
sustain much structural damage?
00:26:59.65\00:27:03.55
Well, initially it
didn't appear to be so
00:27:03.59\00:27:05.55
but we've had
structural engineers in
00:27:05.59\00:27:08.59
and there are some
parts of the hospital
00:27:08.62\00:27:10.93
that are actually--
probably need to be rebuilt
00:27:10.96\00:27:13.70
but we were able to continue
to provide full services
00:27:13.73\00:27:17.67
through the entire
duration of the earthquake
00:27:17.70\00:27:20.24
and its aftermath.
00:27:20.27\00:27:21.60
What's interesting is we
actually were in the middle
00:27:21.64\00:27:25.74
of a cesarean section
when the first earthquake hit,
00:27:25.77\00:27:28.68
just getting ready to start it.
00:27:28.71\00:27:31.48
So what we did is,
we moved the patient
00:27:31.51\00:27:33.95
and the surgical
team out to the courtyard
00:27:33.98\00:27:36.52
that's in the
middle of our hospital
00:27:36.55\00:27:39.25
and we did the
cesarean section outside,
00:27:39.29\00:27:42.39
Is mother and
baby are... under sky,
00:27:42.42\00:27:43.93
Mother and baby are
doing fine. Oh, glory to God.
00:27:43.96\00:27:46.93
But now I'm sure that
the increase of demand
00:27:46.96\00:27:50.77
what you are short on
were hospital supplies,
00:27:50.80\00:27:53.64
is that correct?
00:27:53.67\00:27:55.00
Yeah, I mean, what we're
really short of is funds.
00:27:55.04\00:28:00.64
Again, our average outpatient
visit cost only 40 cents.
00:28:00.68\00:28:05.18
That's what we
charge the patient.
00:28:05.21\00:28:08.02
But even at 40 cents,
many cannot afford that
00:28:08.05\00:28:10.92
and especially
after the earth quake
00:28:10.95\00:28:12.65
where they've lost their homes,
they've lost their businesses.
00:28:12.69\00:28:16.12
So these people
again were desperately poor
00:28:16.16\00:28:19.46
before the earthquake,
even more so afterwards.
00:28:19.49\00:28:22.13
So just since the 25th of
April when we had the first
00:28:22.16\00:28:26.17
earthquake, we've given over
four and a half billion rupees
00:28:26.20\00:28:30.41
of free medical care
to the people of Nepal.
00:28:30.44\00:28:33.21
That's amazing.
00:28:33.24\00:28:35.18
And what we have seen
Helen Egger has been so good
00:28:35.21\00:28:39.31
in keeping us updated
sending the reports of just--
00:28:39.35\00:28:44.52
with food shortage, the
trouble of getting supplies in.
00:28:44.55\00:28:47.99
Have you found, I mean,
have you found good suppliers
00:28:48.02\00:28:51.73
to get supplies to you?
00:28:51.76\00:28:53.46
Yeah, the problem is not
necessarily getting supplies
00:28:53.50\00:28:56.16
into the country, it's
getting them distributed
00:28:56.20\00:28:59.07
out to some of
the more rural areas.
00:28:59.10\00:29:02.10
If you've never been to Nepal,
it's hard to fully appreciate
00:29:02.14\00:29:06.17
how remote some
of these areas are.
00:29:06.21\00:29:09.78
You can drive certain distance
but from there you have to hire
00:29:09.81\00:29:13.98
porters and go on these small
footpaths up to remote areas
00:29:14.02\00:29:18.75
and some of these people
have not received any help.
00:29:18.79\00:29:21.86
One of the things the hospital
is doing is we're actually
00:29:21.89\00:29:24.73
sending medical teams out into
these difficult-to-reach places
00:29:24.76\00:29:29.40
and it's-- I mean, it's
becoming even more of a problem
00:29:29.43\00:29:35.44
what the onset of
the monsoon rains,
00:29:35.47\00:29:38.17
which just started last week.
00:29:38.21\00:29:42.38
What about your staffing needs?
00:29:42.41\00:29:44.28
Are you fully staffed or do
you need people to come over?
00:29:44.31\00:29:47.82
Do you accept
volunteers? Tell us about that.
00:29:47.85\00:29:51.42
Yeah, we do
accept the volunteers
00:29:51.45\00:29:53.46
and I would ask
people to email me directly
00:29:53.49\00:29:57.23
at ceo.smh@gmail.com
00:29:57.26\00:30:02.93
if they are
interested in volunteering.
00:30:02.96\00:30:06.27
ceo@smh... smh.
00:30:06.30\00:30:10.57
Okay, ceo.smh@gmail.com
00:30:10.61\00:30:16.58
Right. All right.
00:30:16.61\00:30:20.08
Primarily what we need the most
right now is people's funds.
00:30:20.12\00:30:25.19
It's money.
00:30:25.22\00:30:26.86
And I do want to take
an opportunity to thank
00:30:26.89\00:30:30.06
the viewers of our program
00:30:30.09\00:30:32.03
who have donated
money for our hospital.
00:30:32.06\00:30:35.43
They probably don't fully
realize how far that money goes
00:30:35.46\00:30:38.57
in Nepal that the sorts of...
00:30:38.60\00:30:40.57
You know, if an average visit
is 40 cents for medical care,
00:30:40.60\00:30:44.11
you can imagine if you
send a hundred dollars,
00:30:44.14\00:30:46.24
that's going along way there.
00:30:46.27\00:30:47.88
Yeah, and I
realize that probably
00:30:47.91\00:30:50.35
for some of your viewers,
that this is a sacrifice
00:30:50.38\00:30:54.35
that by giving
money to our hospital
00:30:54.38\00:30:57.49
through Asian Aid,
that they are going with
00:30:57.52\00:31:00.06
our thanks and you
know, on behalf of the people
00:31:00.09\00:31:04.99
of Nepal I just
want to say, thank you.
00:31:05.03\00:31:08.43
And they really can't 4fully
appreciate how much that means.
00:31:08.46\00:31:12.20
Well, Dr. Mole, I don't
know if they can tell right now,
00:31:12.23\00:31:15.40
if the camera
could catch his eyes,
00:31:15.44\00:31:16.97
but he's become very emotional
and that's a very heartfelt
00:31:17.01\00:31:20.64
and sincere thank you.
00:31:20.68\00:31:22.51
It is amazing the
work that you're doing.
00:31:22.54\00:31:25.65
Jim, we're so glad that
you gave us the opportunity
00:31:25.68\00:31:29.22
by introducing it to
3ABN, to give us personally
00:31:29.25\00:31:32.49
and our viewers the
opportunity to support this.
00:31:32.52\00:31:36.06
Tell us a little what
Asian Aid is doing now.
00:31:36.09\00:31:41.00
In Nepal? In Nepal.
00:31:41.03\00:31:42.63
Well, in Nepal we are currently
focused on raising funds
00:31:42.66\00:31:47.77
for the rescue operation.
00:31:47.80\00:31:49.54
You can hear from Dale,
well, that's the big need.
00:31:49.57\00:31:52.41
So the appeal is still open.
00:31:52.44\00:31:54.71
So people can go to our
website and still donate.
00:31:54.74\00:31:57.88
That's the real need.
00:31:57.91\00:31:59.71
We're also
looking at the school...
00:31:59.75\00:32:01.12
Now when you say, they
can go to your website,
00:32:01.15\00:32:03.42
they can donate for
Scheer Memorial hospital
00:32:03.45\00:32:05.95
at your website. So
they go to asainaid.org.
00:32:05.99\00:32:08.59
It's asianaid.org.
00:32:08.62\00:32:11.03
It's very clear, they can
pick Scheer Memorial hospital
00:32:11.06\00:32:14.50
and we get the
funds directly to Scheer.
00:32:14.53\00:32:18.50
We got full text adaptability
and we have direct relationship
00:32:18.53\00:32:23.24
with the hospital.
00:32:23.27\00:32:24.64
We're also looking at
what we can do with the school.
00:32:24.67\00:32:27.74
We'd really like to-- it's
exciting that Dale has a vision
00:32:27.78\00:32:31.21
for the children.
00:32:31.25\00:32:32.58
So we're looking at extending
the school there or even trying
00:32:32.61\00:32:36.55
to build a boarding school.
00:32:36.58\00:32:38.25
So we're exploring how we can
grow our sponsorship program.
00:32:38.29\00:32:42.59
As I said, we've got
about 50 children there already.
00:32:42.62\00:32:46.36
And that brings
me to a question.
00:32:46.39\00:32:48.96
How does a surgeon, a
doctor, a CEO of this hospital,
00:32:49.00\00:32:52.80
how did the Lord give you
this vision for the children?
00:32:52.83\00:32:57.61
Well, you know, I
think it's just the matter
00:32:57.64\00:32:59.67
of going there and
seeing the desperate situation
00:32:59.71\00:33:03.51
that, you know, again
money goes a long ways there.
00:33:03.55\00:33:07.42
And the hospital is
been there since 1960
00:33:07.45\00:33:13.02
and I think the work could
go a lot further than it has.
00:33:13.05\00:33:18.36
I think the
earthquake in some respects,
00:33:18.39\00:33:21.63
it was a real tragedy,
there's no doubt about that.
00:33:21.66\00:33:24.23
But it has given
the Adventist Church
00:33:24.27\00:33:28.50
the opportunity to
move forward and expand
00:33:28.54\00:33:31.64
in some of the
affected districts over 90%
00:33:31.67\00:33:35.21
of the government health
clinics have been destroyed.
00:33:35.24\00:33:38.35
So these people
have no place to go.
00:33:38.38\00:33:40.92
And this is the time
that we need to expand
00:33:40.95\00:33:45.02
Adventist health care in Nepal.
00:33:45.05\00:33:47.62
And if without the funding
I'm sure in the early days
00:33:47.66\00:33:50.96
you had to turn
many people away.
00:33:50.99\00:33:52.86
You just didn't
have the supplies.
00:33:52.89\00:33:54.80
So without this
funding there would be many
00:33:54.83\00:33:57.20
who would be going unattended.
00:33:57.23\00:33:59.23
I know that things
are desperate there
00:33:59.27\00:34:01.67
and we're just
so grateful to God
00:34:01.70\00:34:03.74
that both of your organizations
are reaching out to meet
00:34:03.77\00:34:08.21
the needs of the people.
00:34:08.24\00:34:09.71
Well, and Jim was a real
lifesaver, I got to tell you.
00:34:09.74\00:34:12.25
I got-- my job is
taking care of sick people
00:34:12.28\00:34:16.42
and trying to run a
hospital which was difficult
00:34:16.45\00:34:18.69
enough before the
earthquake but afterwards,
00:34:18.72\00:34:21.49
things were even more chaotic
00:34:21.52\00:34:23.06
and Jim came in
through both him and 3ABN,
00:34:23.09\00:34:29.20
I mean, you have
really been a lifeline
00:34:29.23\00:34:31.33
and have dramatically
changed the lives of many
00:34:31.37\00:34:35.30
Nepali's in ways that you
will never fully appreciate.
00:34:35.34\00:34:38.31
Not until that-- someday
00:34:38.34\00:34:40.54
when we're on the
sea of glass, right?
00:34:40.58\00:34:41.91
Amen, amen.
00:34:41.94\00:34:43.71
Well, I know that God
has called both of you
00:34:43.75\00:34:47.35
to your positions and you know,
00:34:47.38\00:34:49.22
sometimes we use the word
00:34:49.25\00:34:50.59
CEO and it sounds lofty.
00:34:50.62\00:34:53.76
What I have found in supporting
ministries of the church
00:34:53.79\00:34:57.19
that it just means
you're gonna work twice as hard
00:34:57.23\00:34:59.86
and wear many hats.
00:34:59.89\00:35:02.13
But we want to thank
you for your dedication
00:35:02.16\00:35:05.20
and your compassion as well
as for Scheer Memorial hospital
00:35:05.23\00:35:09.30
and for Asian Aid.
00:35:09.34\00:35:11.04
And we truly want to thank
you at home who had supported
00:35:11.07\00:35:15.61
both of these ministries
and it's still as you heard
00:35:15.64\00:35:19.01
Dr. Mole say,
they're still in need,
00:35:19.05\00:35:21.62
a great need in Nepal
and Scheer Memorial hospital
00:35:21.65\00:35:24.65
still has a
great need for funding.
00:35:24.69\00:35:26.86
I know my husband and I
personally supported this
00:35:26.89\00:35:29.66
as we also support
Asian Aid and you know,
00:35:29.69\00:35:34.70
I don't say that
in a prideful way,
00:35:34.73\00:35:36.80
it's something that
when some of us can only,
00:35:36.83\00:35:41.37
we can support
every work out there
00:35:41.40\00:35:43.81
and sometimes we can
always support by prayer.
00:35:43.84\00:35:48.04
But I believe that there's
times that we have to make
00:35:48.08\00:35:50.85
a sacrifice in
realize that what a $100 could
00:35:50.88\00:35:54.32
do for you here.
00:35:54.35\00:35:56.25
It's very little compared
to what $100 can do in Nepal.
00:35:56.28\00:35:59.82
And sometimes
that sacrifice brings
00:35:59.85\00:36:02.29
back a 100 fold return on it.
00:36:02.32\00:36:05.13
So we want to
thank all of our viewers
00:36:05.16\00:36:07.53
who have already supported.
00:36:07.56\00:36:09.60
If you would like
to continue to support,
00:36:09.63\00:36:11.60
you can go to
asianaid.org and just click
00:36:11.63\00:36:16.30
on the Scheer Memorial hospital
link were you can support that.
00:36:16.34\00:36:21.11
Gentlemen, do you have a final
thought that you would like
00:36:21.14\00:36:23.88
to leave with our viewers.
00:36:23.91\00:36:25.88
Well, I've, you know,
one thing that just to help
00:36:25.91\00:36:30.49
express how
desperate the situation is,
00:36:30.52\00:36:33.76
I mean, we have patients
00:36:33.79\00:36:36.69
that come in with
attempted suicides.
00:36:36.73\00:36:40.43
Their situation is so desperate
that they just can't see a way
00:36:40.46\00:36:47.04
to go on.
00:36:47.07\00:36:48.40
So again I would just
appeal to your viewers to help
00:36:48.44\00:36:53.17
in any way they can, to
assess the people of Nepal.
00:36:53.21\00:36:58.25
And I believe that's the earmark
00:36:58.28\00:37:00.98
of a Christian is to have
compassion and generosity.
00:37:01.02\00:37:04.95
Dr. Dale Mole,
thank you for your work,
00:37:04.99\00:37:07.09
thank you for being here today.
00:37:07.12\00:37:09.02
Jim Rennie, it's always
a pleasure to have you here
00:37:09.06\00:37:11.99
and once again we want to thank
00:37:12.03\00:37:13.46
all of our
viewers and stay tuned
00:37:13.50\00:37:15.56
for more interesting reports
of the work that's been done
00:37:15.60\00:37:18.53
around the world, by the Lord
through Seventh-day Adventists.
00:37:18.57\00:37:23.00
Thank you.
00:37:23.04\00:37:24.57
You know, you got
to love the dedication
00:37:28.21\00:37:30.01
of our Adventists
workers, our missionaries,
00:37:30.05\00:37:32.58
our medical personnel all around
00:37:32.61\00:37:34.48
the world, who are working
under such adverse conditions
00:37:34.52\00:37:38.45
to do the work of the Lord.
00:37:38.49\00:37:40.02
Next up, John Lomacang had
the opportunity to interview
00:37:40.06\00:37:45.13
Colonel David Stern Crockett,
his fifth great grandson,
00:37:45.16\00:37:52.40
hisname is Ryan.
00:37:52.43\00:37:53.94
Ryan McCoy.
00:37:53.97\00:37:55.30
He's a speaker and director
for Sealing Time Ministries.
00:37:55.34\00:37:59.44
This is a Bible based
medium ministry, home based
00:37:59.47\00:38:02.48
and located just
outside of Nampa, Idaho.
00:38:02.51\00:38:05.85
So there is connection
between the Adventist Church
00:38:05.88\00:38:08.68
and the famous David Crocket.
00:38:08.72\00:38:10.39
This is a nice
interview, you'll enjoy it.
00:38:10.42\00:38:12.82
Hello, friends.
00:38:15.19\00:38:16.52
This is John
Lomacang coming to you from
00:38:16.56\00:38:18.43
the 60th General
Conference session
00:38:18.46\00:38:20.93
here in San Antonio, Texas.
00:38:20.96\00:38:22.96
It's a wonderful time
we are having here meeting
00:38:23.00\00:38:25.33
so many people that are
not just a supporters of 3ABN
00:38:25.37\00:38:29.37
but also people that
are on our programming,
00:38:29.40\00:38:32.54
people that are guests
00:38:32.57\00:38:33.91
on many of the
shows that we have done.
00:38:33.94\00:38:36.01
And today I want to
introduce you to someone
00:38:36.04\00:38:38.11
that to me is the real
McCoy. His name is Ryan.
00:38:38.15\00:38:42.62
Ryan, so good to
have you here today.
00:38:42.65\00:38:44.52
Thank you, John.
00:38:44.55\00:38:45.89
You know, I want the viewers
to know why I kind of led
00:38:45.92\00:38:49.52
into the phrase that
you are the "real McCoy"
00:38:49.56\00:38:52.06
and I want to add, your side
burns kind of allude to that.
00:38:52.09\00:38:55.26
Tell us about who you are,
a little about your background
00:38:55.30\00:38:58.67
and then we'll get
to what you do right now
00:38:58.70\00:39:00.07
iin just a few moments.
00:39:00.10\00:39:01.90
Well, John, I'm the
fifth great grandson of Colonel
00:39:01.94\00:39:06.91
and Congressmen David "Davy"
as he was more well known,
00:39:06.94\00:39:11.81
Stern Crockett.
00:39:11.85\00:39:13.72
And he died at the
Alamo, the famous battle in 1836
00:39:13.75\00:39:19.82
resulting-- really in
the end in the state of Texas
00:39:19.85\00:39:23.93
and this has been a bastion year
00:39:23.96\00:39:27.06
of independence
and freedom ever since.
00:39:27.10\00:39:30.13
And a lot of
people just to remind you,
00:39:30.17\00:39:31.70
we are here in
San Antonio, Texas
00:39:31.73\00:39:33.90
and the Alamo that very
historical sport is not too far
00:39:33.94\00:39:38.04
away from the Alamo dome.
00:39:38.07\00:39:39.64
Last night I had a
chance to go on the river walk,
00:39:39.67\00:39:42.11
boat ride and they
talked about where it is
00:39:42.14\00:39:44.15
and I have yet to see it.
00:39:44.18\00:39:45.51
But just kind of-- just
to reiterate "Davy" Crockett,
00:39:45.55\00:39:48.88
as many people know him
as, Colonel "Davy" Crockett.
00:39:48.92\00:39:51.69
But he has a rich history.
00:39:51.72\00:39:53.79
A lot of people may
remember him as "Davy" Crockett,
00:39:53.82\00:39:56.52
the guy that they
have seen on television,
00:39:56.56\00:39:58.13
many movies that have
been done about his life.
00:39:58.16\00:40:01.26
But he was also in a
different branch of service.
00:40:01.30\00:40:03.57
Let's talk about that.
00:40:03.60\00:40:05.47
So he was well
known as a Congressman,
00:40:05.50\00:40:10.57
you know, at the time.
00:40:10.61\00:40:12.57
He served
several different terms.
00:40:12.61\00:40:15.94
There were a lot
of different majors
00:40:15.98\00:40:18.11
that he was part
of and as a result,
00:40:18.15\00:40:21.92
he was probably one
of one account says,
00:40:21.95\00:40:24.85
he was the most feared
Congressman at the time.
00:40:24.89\00:40:28.29
As well as of course, you
know just being a folk hero,
00:40:28.32\00:40:31.23
he was well aware of based
on what I understand in history
00:40:31.26\00:40:35.23
of the persona that
was building around him.
00:40:35.26\00:40:39.03
He used it to his
advantage to gain various ends
00:40:39.07\00:40:43.71
and been a
frontiersman, you know.
00:40:43.74\00:40:46.24
He was a salt of
the earth person.
00:40:46.27\00:40:50.55
He understood what it was
really like out in the field.
00:40:50.58\00:40:54.02
And so when people
say, "Remember the Alamo,"
00:40:54.05\00:40:56.35
we are really in essence saying
Colonel David Stern Crockett
00:40:56.38\00:41:01.82
had so much involvement in that.
00:41:01.86\00:41:05.36
We have a book I
want to share with the--
00:41:05.39\00:41:07.33
well, actually
you're gonna share quotation
00:41:07.36\00:41:08.76
from that in just
a few moments here.
00:41:08.80\00:41:10.50
But he was not
only an individual,
00:41:10.53\00:41:12.00
that was as senator, a
colonel in the army but...
00:41:12.03\00:41:17.31
In militia. In the militia.
00:41:17.34\00:41:18.77
In the militia,
Tennessee militia.
00:41:18.81\00:41:20.14
And just give us an overview
what that battle was all about
00:41:20.18\00:41:22.84
because you talked
about "Remember the Alamo."
00:41:22.88\00:41:25.05
So the battle of the
Alamo, Senator Crockett,
00:41:25.08\00:41:29.22
Colonel Crockett
at the end of the time
00:41:29.25\00:41:31.32
came out interested in land.
00:41:31.35\00:41:33.99
He actually
signed up as a private
00:41:34.02\00:41:35.79
at the age of 49
under Colonel Travis.
00:41:35.82\00:41:40.56
He ended up in this
famous now battle of the Alamo
00:41:40.60\00:41:46.67
fighting for
independence and Texian freedom,
00:41:46.70\00:41:49.77
I did not
mispronounce that, Texian.
00:41:49.80\00:41:52.74
And it was a
famous battle in part,
00:41:52.77\00:41:57.58
not because
necessarily of his name
00:41:57.61\00:41:59.85
but because the odds were
ridiculously against them.
00:41:59.88\00:42:05.92
Santa Anna
brought thousands of men.
00:42:05.95\00:42:08.46
Some of them had
marched 700 miles.
00:42:08.49\00:42:11.49
And when they arrived
here, Santa Anna was known
00:42:11.53\00:42:15.16
for brutality and tyranny
and he was there to put down
00:42:15.20\00:42:19.17
an insurrection or an
uprising among the Texians.
00:42:19.20\00:42:23.71
You know, Colonel
Travis and the others,
00:42:23.74\00:42:25.27
the Bowie, the Tennessee boys
00:42:25.31\00:42:28.74
and Colonel
Crockett were all there.
00:42:28.78\00:42:34.05
And it was real
confluence you could say
00:42:34.08\00:42:37.35
they are of perfect storm
and they were outnumbered,
00:42:37.39\00:42:41.62
out gunned,
everything was against them
00:42:41.66\00:42:45.59
and they chose to take a stand
00:42:45.63\00:42:50.40
even though they knew
those odds were against them.
00:42:50.43\00:42:54.40
If you look in the memoirs,
00:42:54.44\00:42:55.87
he was well aware
of the consequences
00:42:55.90\00:42:57.81
of his actions
and that the enemy may
00:42:57.84\00:43:00.44
well take the ford.
00:43:00.48\00:43:01.81
But he dug his heels, and
I want you to get that book
00:43:01.84\00:43:03.61
and share that quote,
you know, what in called,
00:43:03.65\00:43:05.81
his famous last words as
the battle was winding down.
00:43:05.85\00:43:09.12
Share that with me right
now so that our listeners
00:43:09.15\00:43:12.39
and our viewers could
know because this uprising,
00:43:12.42\00:43:17.33
this resistance that he was
involved in was one well known.
00:43:17.36\00:43:21.96
I learnt about it in
history, American history.
00:43:22.00\00:43:25.03
But it's amazing
that I'm meeting someone
00:43:25.07\00:43:26.90
that's connected in the lineage
and what he said in the closing
00:43:26.94\00:43:31.31
moments knowing that
this battle was winding down.
00:43:31.34\00:43:35.94
There are some words
that I like our audience
00:43:35.98\00:43:38.01
to remember of what he
quoted that particular day.
00:43:38.05\00:43:40.82
It was actually
included in this memoir.
00:43:40.85\00:43:43.92
So this memoir here,
this is dated, printed 1865.
00:43:43.95\00:43:48.16
It's a 150 years old this year.
So this is a very old book.
00:43:48.19\00:43:53.86
The very last words,
March 5, 1836, was the year
00:43:53.90\00:44:01.14
and he says, "Pop, pop, pop!
00:44:01.17\00:44:03.77
Bom, bom, bom!"
00:44:03.81\00:44:05.57
Short for boom, boom,
boom, "throughout the day."
00:44:05.61\00:44:08.84
They were under
heavy canon fire,
00:44:08.88\00:44:11.08
the pages previous to
this, he mentioned it as hail.
00:44:11.11\00:44:15.15
"No time for
memorandums now. Go ahead!
00:44:15.18\00:44:18.59
Liberty and
Independence forever."
00:44:18.62\00:44:21.42
And it says, here ends
Colonel Crockett's manuscript.
00:44:21.46\00:44:24.83
Those are the very last
words of David Crockett.
00:44:24.86\00:44:29.93
And the battle is
still memorable today.
00:44:29.96\00:44:33.50
People that come to San Antonio,
00:44:33.54\00:44:36.04
they've told many
of our constituents
00:44:36.07\00:44:37.94
that have come
from all over the world,
00:44:37.97\00:44:39.41
dont forget the
alamo, remember the Alamo."
00:44:39.44\00:44:42.51
But there's also
something else in his lineage
00:44:42.54\00:44:45.21
from the grand
son of David Crockett
00:44:45.25\00:44:48.55
on the issue of
religious liberty.
00:44:48.58\00:44:50.55
Talk about that today.
00:44:50.59\00:44:51.92
Yeah, so in 1885,
00:44:51.95\00:44:56.56
Senator Robert
Hamilton Crockett,
00:44:56.59\00:44:59.53
he is an
indirect relation of mine
00:44:59.56\00:45:02.00
but through David Crockett,
still a family relation.
00:45:02.03\00:45:07.07
There was Sunday laws
00:45:07.10\00:45:08.90
on the books in
the State of Arkansas
00:45:08.94\00:45:11.04
and this is-- he was senator
in the State of Arkansas.
00:45:11.07\00:45:15.91
It came to his
attention that there was a lot
00:45:15.94\00:45:18.21
of persecution going on.
00:45:18.25\00:45:19.91
Right.
00:45:19.95\00:45:21.32
There was one
story in particular,
00:45:21.35\00:45:23.59
that is, just heart-wrenching
00:45:23.62\00:45:26.25
of what happened to one family.
00:45:26.29\00:45:28.52
And as a result, he
went into the senate
00:45:28.56\00:45:33.33
in Arkansas and he
related the number of stories.
00:45:33.36\00:45:36.56
I'll read just a few
sentences from Liberty Magazine.
00:45:36.60\00:45:41.37
1939, second quarter
and this is about page 17.
00:45:41.40\00:45:46.24
Okay.
00:45:46.27\00:45:47.61
"Senator Crockett
mentioned scores of cases
00:45:47.64\00:45:50.35
were Seventh-day Adventists
00:45:50.38\00:45:51.71
and Seventh-day
Baptists have been fined
00:45:51.75\00:45:53.95
and imprisoned
for no other crime
00:45:53.98\00:45:55.92
than resting on the
seventh day of the week
00:45:55.95\00:45:58.45
and working on
the other six days
00:45:58.49\00:46:00.52
as God had commanded them to do.
00:46:00.56\00:46:03.39
He told how they had
settled in the days in Arkansas
00:46:03.43\00:46:06.36
while it was yet a wilderness
00:46:06.39\00:46:07.73
filled with the howl of the wolf
00:46:07.76\00:46:09.10
and the scream of the panther
and the wail of the wild cat.
00:46:09.13\00:46:12.57
They soon changed the
wilderness, the prairies,
00:46:12.60\00:46:14.87
the valleys into a
veritable paradise.
00:46:14.90\00:46:17.81
These people, many of them said
he, Seventh-day Adventists and
00:46:17.84\00:46:21.04
and Seventh-day Baptists,
00:46:21.08\00:46:22.41
these are people who religiously
00:46:22.44\00:46:23.78
and
conscientiously keep Saturday,
00:46:23.81\00:46:25.41
the seventh day as the Sabbath,"
00:46:25.45\00:46:28.12
and it goes on.
00:46:28.15\00:46:29.85
So this issue that we're looking
00:46:29.98\00:46:31.42
at that shaping
the future of America
00:46:31.45\00:46:34.46
and has become an
issue around the world's
00:46:34.49\00:46:36.29
Sabbath versus
Sunday was not new.
00:46:36.32\00:46:39.09
It was something
that our earlier pioneers
00:46:39.13\00:46:41.26
in America had
faced and addressed
00:46:41.30\00:46:43.06
that very same issue.
00:46:43.10\00:46:44.43
And so as a result
of his impassionate plea
00:46:44.47\00:46:47.17
to the senate, there
were laws immediately
00:46:47.20\00:46:49.90
put back on the Adventists
were put on to the books.
00:46:49.94\00:46:56.95
So this, you know, the Crockett
line and family has a history
00:46:56.98\00:47:00.95
of standing up for what
they believe and it actually has
00:47:00.98\00:47:04.29
relations to our
Seventh-day Adventists church.
00:47:04.32\00:47:06.12
Praise the Lord for that.
00:47:06.15\00:47:07.49
Now I want to get to
your story very quickly.
00:47:07.52\00:47:08.86
We don't have a lot of time.
00:47:08.89\00:47:10.23
This is kind of a
viney ard of an interview.
00:47:10.26\00:47:11.73
Tell us about you
coming to the Lord
00:47:11.76\00:47:13.46
and then we'll talk
about your ministry.
00:47:13.50\00:47:15.33
So in my early 20s I
drifted out the church
00:47:15.36\00:47:19.33
as a result, you
know it's a long story.
00:47:19.37\00:47:21.74
But I ended up owning
00:47:21.77\00:47:24.17
a little land out in
the middle of no where.
00:47:24.21\00:47:25.87
And Manistee National
Forests surrounded us.
00:47:25.91\00:47:29.94
No electricity, no water.
00:47:29.98\00:47:32.15
You could kind of liken it
to a Doug Batchelor's story
00:47:32.18\00:47:34.15
minus the cave.
00:47:34.18\00:47:35.52
Minus the cave.
00:47:35.55\00:47:37.12
But as a result,
00:47:37.15\00:47:39.19
you know I have a lot
of time to think about God.
00:47:39.22\00:47:40.79
I have a lot of time to read.
00:47:40.82\00:47:42.22
Right.
00:47:42.26\00:47:43.63
I decided that I
would get a 3ABN dish.
00:47:43.66\00:47:48.20
Now without electricity
that's a bit of a challenge.
00:47:48.23\00:47:50.80
But we would run a generator,
use batteries at first
00:47:50.83\00:47:53.80
and those things to watch 3ABN.
00:47:53.84\00:47:56.50
As a result I became convicted
that I really needed to go back
00:47:56.54\00:47:59.94
to church to pay my
tithe, of all things.
00:47:59.97\00:48:02.41
You know, I knew the
truth. That wasn't anything new.
00:48:02.44\00:48:06.15
But as a result we
decided to go back to church,
00:48:06.18\00:48:08.88
pay our tithe and
the result of that,
00:48:08.92\00:48:11.49
when God promises that
"He'll pour out a blessing,
00:48:11.52\00:48:13.76
you can't receive," He
follows through with that.
00:48:13.79\00:48:16.73
And it was just incredible
what happened after that
00:48:16.76\00:48:19.79
and we got into ministering.
00:48:19.83\00:48:21.93
And the Lord--
00:48:21.96\00:48:23.30
I like what you said
a moment ago, convicted.
00:48:23.33\00:48:25.03
Recently I was toying
with the two statements,
00:48:25.07\00:48:27.30
convicted and converted.
00:48:27.34\00:48:28.80
A lot of people are
convicted about the truth,
00:48:28.84\00:48:30.91
convicted about the Sabbath,
00:48:30.94\00:48:32.37
the truth of the
state of the dead
00:48:32.41\00:48:33.74
and the sanctuary, but
they are not converted.
00:48:33.78\00:48:35.94
So these truths that you
were convicted of in your past,
00:48:35.98\00:48:39.31
didn't at that-- up until
that point lead to conversion.
00:48:39.35\00:48:42.18
Now you're
converted and convicted.
00:48:42.22\00:48:44.02
My 30th birthday, I was outside,
00:48:44.05\00:48:47.09
after watching 3ABN,
00:48:47.12\00:48:48.59
I was outside
enjoying the sunshine.
00:48:48.62\00:48:51.33
I just finished the
book Desire of Ages.
00:48:51.36\00:48:53.50
It was Sabbath
morning, I was not in church
00:48:53.53\00:48:56.33
and the Lord spoke
at my 30th birthday,
00:48:56.36\00:49:00.04
the Lord spoke into my mind
at that morning and he said,
00:49:00.07\00:49:02.37
"Ryan, today is
your 30th birthday,
00:49:02.40\00:49:05.07
My Son began His ministry
for Me on His 30th birthday.
00:49:05.11\00:49:10.15
What are you doing for me?"
00:49:10.18\00:49:12.05
And the rest of the
day, I have to be honest,
00:49:12.08\00:49:14.45
I really didn't
have much to say.
00:49:14.48\00:49:16.38
I was dumbfounded and thought.
00:49:16.42\00:49:21.06
And as a result
you began a ministry
00:49:21.09\00:49:22.59
called Sealing Time Ministry.
00:49:22.62\00:49:24.96
Tell us about that briefly.
00:49:24.99\00:49:26.56
Yes, so Sealing Time Ministries
is a multifaceted ministry.
00:49:26.59\00:49:31.00
We produce video,
00:49:31.03\00:49:33.00
we have produced
thousands of hour video for now
00:49:33.03\00:49:36.77
for 140
Adventists speakers so far.
00:49:36.81\00:49:40.58
You being one of
them. Oh, that's right,
00:49:40.61\00:49:42.74
And we went for camp
meeting, went to California.
00:49:42.78\00:49:44.11
Surviving the
Crisis. That's right.
00:49:44.15\00:49:46.95
The Coming
Crisis, I think it was.
00:49:46.98\00:49:48.32
The Coming Crisis, yes.
00:49:48.35\00:49:49.68
And the outreach is
just going around the world.
00:49:49.72\00:49:54.36
We have so many
different subjects.
00:49:54.39\00:49:55.96
It's a multifaceted
with a number of speakers.
00:49:55.99\00:49:59.13
We're reaching
people all over the world.
00:49:59.16\00:50:00.80
Some of those is like
00:50:00.83\00:50:02.16
Shawn Boonstra
from Voice of Prophecy.
00:50:02.20\00:50:04.33
So yes, we actually
provide also stringing services
00:50:04.37\00:50:08.57
as well as website hosting.
00:50:08.60\00:50:11.04
Voice of Prophecy has been
00:50:11.07\00:50:12.41
one of our most
prominent clients.
00:50:12.44\00:50:16.01
We helped streamed their
big evangelistic meetings
00:50:16.04\00:50:18.81
to all their satellite churches.
00:50:18.85\00:50:20.55
And recently, with the ministry
the Lord has given to you,
00:50:20.58\00:50:25.02
you have had an opportunity.
00:50:25.05\00:50:26.96
I looked at the magazine
00:50:26.99\00:50:28.52
that you shared
with me earlier today.
00:50:28.56\00:50:30.23
In the GC edition of
the Adventist review,
00:50:30.26\00:50:33.09
you are featured.
00:50:33.13\00:50:35.06
And tell us about the story
about that reading the portions
00:50:35.10\00:50:37.90
of the
Declaration of Independence.
00:50:37.93\00:50:40.00
Well, so on the fourth of July,
00:50:40.04\00:50:42.90
I read the Declaration of
Independence over the Alamo.
00:50:42.94\00:50:45.94
I was the featured guest.
They had me greeting guest.
00:50:45.97\00:50:48.81
It was a huge honor.
00:50:48.84\00:50:51.65
As a result, of course,
00:50:51.68\00:50:53.92
you know, because
of religious liberty
00:50:53.95\00:50:55.48
and those things,
there's a number of different
00:50:55.52\00:50:59.32
avenues of interest that
happened because of that.
00:50:59.35\00:51:04.39
As a result,
00:51:04.43\00:51:06.46
because of the family
heritage and those things,
00:51:06.49\00:51:09.36
so they gave me the flag from--
00:51:09.40\00:51:12.60
that was flown over the Alamo
on the fourth of July 2015,
00:51:12.63\00:51:16.77
during our GC session here.
00:51:16.81\00:51:18.44
Amazing.
00:51:18.47\00:51:19.81
And then we've got
a certificate as well
00:51:19.84\00:51:22.84
as to that fact.
00:51:22.88\00:51:25.91
Look at that, look at that.
00:51:25.95\00:51:27.28
And that was just
recently given to you
00:51:27.32\00:51:28.65
'cause I'm looking at
the dates July 4, 2015.
00:51:28.68\00:51:30.82
Yes, this was given
a few days ago to me.
00:51:30.85\00:51:33.82
And so it's
certifies both the flag here
00:51:33.86\00:51:35.96
and my family heritage as well.
00:51:35.99\00:51:39.29
That's wonderful.
00:51:39.33\00:51:40.66
Now as you think of the future
of Sealing Time Ministries,
00:51:40.70\00:51:46.03
what would you say to those
that are watching this program
00:51:46.07\00:51:48.30
and I want to wind
up with the quotation
00:51:48.34\00:51:50.71
that was
included in that article.
00:51:50.74\00:51:52.47
I'll share that
with our viewers.
00:51:52.51\00:51:54.08
What would you say to
encourage individuals?
00:51:54.11\00:51:55.94
Because we are living, I
believe, in the sealing time.
00:51:55.98\00:51:58.58
I think that's a part
of it and also highlighting
00:51:58.61\00:52:01.12
you do accept
invitations, am I correct?
00:52:01.15\00:52:03.72
Yes, so I actually am
a student of eschatology.
00:52:03.75\00:52:08.12
I very much enjoy studying it.
00:52:08.16\00:52:10.43
That's one of the things
that I was doing out there.
00:52:10.46\00:52:12.26
I was doing a lot of study.
00:52:12.29\00:52:14.00
Yes, I do speaking engagements.
00:52:14.03\00:52:15.70
We have
traveled all over the US,
00:52:15.73\00:52:17.37
even outside of the US.
00:52:17.40\00:52:19.90
Just recently I began to share
more of the family history.
00:52:19.93\00:52:24.01
As a result, the family history,
00:52:24.04\00:52:26.27
David Crockett knew
00:52:26.31\00:52:27.64
what it meant to
draw line in the sand.
00:52:27.68\00:52:30.61
He knew what it meant to take
a stand for what he believes.
00:52:30.65\00:52:34.18
And as we head
into these last days,
00:52:34.22\00:52:36.62
regardless of
whether we wanted to or not,
00:52:36.65\00:52:39.02
there are lines
been drawn in the sand
00:52:39.05\00:52:41.39
and everyone of us
needs to know where we stand.
00:52:41.42\00:52:43.59
Wow, praise the Lord.
00:52:43.63\00:52:44.96
Well, Ryan, it's good
to have you here today.
00:52:44.99\00:52:46.33
But before we wind up, I
want to read this quotation
00:52:46.36\00:52:48.33
that was
featured in that article
00:52:48.36\00:52:50.10
of the Adventist Review.
00:52:50.13\00:52:51.47
It said and I'm quoting you,
00:52:51.50\00:52:53.20
"It doesn't take a
whole lot of people
00:52:53.23\00:52:55.50
to make a
difference in this world."
00:52:55.54\00:52:58.21
Ryan, thank you for
allowing the Lord to use you,
00:52:58.24\00:53:01.08
to make a difference,
not only in your lineage
00:53:01.11\00:53:04.08
but we are truly living
in the time of the sealing
00:53:04.11\00:53:06.61
and the Lord has the
people standing firmly
00:53:06.65\00:53:09.15
for sharing the truth
00:53:09.18\00:53:10.62
and getting other people ready
for the time in which we live.
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God bless you, thank
you so much for being here.
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And friends, may
the Lord continue
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blessing you here at GC, 2015.
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One of the things that we
are constantly impressed by
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is the fact that God is
doing so very many things
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on so many different fronts
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to promote the
gospel around the world.
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They are ministries like 3ABN,
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which has the opportunity
to highlight other ministries.
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But one of the
things that we see is that
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there is really no
place on planet earth
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where men and women are
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where they are
not people of God,
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people of goodwill
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who are lifting up the mighty
and matchless name of Jesus.
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Three very unique ministries
that are all very contemporary
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in their affect and effect.
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One, "Tell the World,"
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a movie, a film about
the history of the church.
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Two, a hospital mission,
medical ministry under attack
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by the forces of nature.
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And then this
fifth great grandson
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of the famous Davy
Crockett doing what he can
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to lift up the name of Jesus.
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We'll go to our news break.
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Then we'll be back
with the closing thought.
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