Participants: C. A. Murray (Host), Chris Lang
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015052A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:04 Spend my life 00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:27 Let my words 00:29 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:06 Hello and welcome to "3ABN Today." 01:09 My name is C.A. Murray and allow me once again 01:11 to thank you for sharing just a little of your day with us, 01:15 to thank you for your prayers, your support of this ministry, 01:17 and for all that you do to help us 01:19 do what we are called to do. 01:21 And that's to lift up the mighty 01:22 and matchless name of Jesus. 01:24 I'm excited today for number of reasons. 01:26 One, I like and I used the term, 01:30 alternative ministries or out of the box ministries 01:34 or non-traditional ministries. 01:37 I like the idea that God is calling in these last days, 01:41 men and women of considerable talent to use those talents 01:44 for the lifting up of the kingdom of God. 01:47 All other ministries not being done in the pulpit, 01:50 in fact, I dare more ministry is done 01:52 outside of the pulpit than in the pulpit. 01:54 And God is using particular niche ministries. 01:58 He's calling people to do what they can do to take Christ 02:01 to areas that He may not normally be found. 02:05 And what one of those persons is Chris Lang. 02:08 Chris, Good to have you here. 02:09 Yeah, it's pleasure to be here, sir. 02:10 Good looking guy and he is, he is a film maker. 02:15 And I like the idea, I'm very impressed 02:17 that God is using film along with other kinds of ministries 02:22 to tell people about Jesus Christ. 02:23 We are a visual, video population now. 02:28 We are in that age when people want to see it even more than 02:30 they want to read it or want to hear it. 02:33 And so God is calling people out of the world 02:35 and into His kingdom, to lift up Jesus 02:37 and to take Jesus back to that same world 02:40 and put it before the eyes, the ears, the hearts, 02:43 the minds of people who need to hear about Jesus. 02:45 And Chris is one of those guys doing precisely that. 02:47 Good to have you here, man. 02:49 Thank you, C.A. 02:50 Before we go to our music, 02:51 I want to get a little background on you. 02:53 Where are you from? 02:54 I'm originally from Homeland de California. 02:56 Aha, Adventist ghetto there, I say. 02:57 Yes, sir. That's right. 02:59 Did you grow in the church, Adventist family? 03:00 Yes, yes, I grew up 03:01 in an Adventist Christian family. 03:03 I've got three siblings. I grew up in a musical family. 03:06 My mother was a music teacher, a choir director. 03:09 And I had a sensitivity for the word of God 03:12 at a very young age. 03:13 Aha, praise the Lord. 03:14 Now out of the three, where are you in that group? 03:16 I'm the baby. 03:17 Aha, the baby. 03:19 If you read some of the things on kids, 03:24 particularly the baby, tends to be 03:26 the one that can go off in any direction, you know. 03:29 You may have the first two sort of following 03:32 and the third one can do anything. 03:35 That's the one that kind of surprises. 03:36 Sometimes, great thing's good, sometimes great thing's bad. 03:40 But you never tell how that last one is going to go. 03:44 When did it occur to you that you needed 03:47 or you had a personal Savior? 03:48 At what point did you saw the lock down on Jesus? 03:51 You know, C.A., My journey started very young. 03:56 And I think the sensitivity about a Savior 03:59 who died for me and who came to create a future, 04:04 a future hope for my life and a purpose 04:08 for my personal life really happened in this context 04:10 when my parents told me my birth story. 04:13 And we have a short little clip that actually helps illustrate 04:19 the way that God reached down 04:21 into the darkness to save my life. 04:22 Praise the Lord. Let's take a look. 04:35 My mother had a miscarriage. 04:38 What she did know was that she had twins. 04:43 I was that other twin, still inside her womb. 04:47 Now there was no ultrasound in those days 04:49 and she continued to have bleeding and discomfort. 04:53 So her doctor used ringed forceps 04:55 to remove her ineffective IUD. 04:59 Then he used the forceps to reach in, grasp, 05:02 and remove any loose material he could from her womb. 05:06 Last, he gave her five days of the drug Methergine. 05:11 Methergine causes the uterus 05:13 to expel remaining birth tissues, 05:15 to minimize bleeding and risk of infection. 05:19 But her stomach kept growing. 05:21 And several doctors didn't believe 05:23 it was a normal pregnancy. 05:25 So mom wanted whatever it was, surgically removed. 05:29 Fortunately for me, her OB doctor urged her to wait. 05:34 I guess you could say, I survived a miscarriage 05:38 and an abortion. 05:54 Well, impressive, man. Yeah, well done. 05:57 This was uh, this was sort of the foundation 06:01 of the way the Lord showed me 06:03 that I know you by name. 06:04 Yes. 06:06 And Psalm 139 says that "He planned every day 06:08 in your life before there's one of them." 06:09 Yes, yes. 06:11 And of course, the famous verse, 06:12 that "You covered me in my mother's womb." 06:13 In my mother's womb, yeah. 06:15 It's an amazing reflection that I want to live 06:19 every moment to thank the Lord for the chance to live. 06:22 I should have had missing limbs, arms legs, fingers 06:25 and toes with those forceps coming in and when that doctor 06:29 was pulling out all that birth material, 06:30 there's no way that the doctors 06:32 could have known she was still pregnant 06:33 because there was no ultrasound in those days. 06:36 Sure. 06:37 And the doctor actually emailed me a couple of years ago. 06:40 His name is Dr. Richard Paul. He's retired now. 06:43 And he remembers my case. 06:45 He was responsible for over 300, 000 06:48 baby deliveries in his career 06:50 as the chief of OB at LA County Hospital. 06:53 He says, your case remains unique. 06:55 And he remembers collapsing in the exam chair 06:58 next to the exam table when he heard 06:59 my heart beat for the first time. 07:01 Powerful, powerful. 07:02 But praise God for life. 07:04 How old were you when you were given the understanding 07:05 of your circumstances of your birth? 07:08 I was probably, I didn't understand it at the time, 07:11 seven, eight years old. 07:12 Yeah, you can't process all that in, right, yeah. 07:14 But in my early adulthood after college, 07:16 when I started on the journey of looking, praying, 07:20 "God, what do you want me to do?" 07:22 Got into the business world 07:24 and it was in the large corporate setting, 07:26 small business settings, 07:27 running my own business for a period of time. 07:29 And in this wilderness of life and going through 07:34 some disappointment, finding out that God even, 07:37 you know, He's more concerned, 07:39 just as concerned with your broken heart, 07:42 your disappointment as He is with life and matters. 07:45 And so He met me there as well. 07:47 And I think it was in that context 07:49 of my early adulthood when the story of my birth 07:52 actually started to scream out loud. 07:54 You know, praise the Lord 07:56 with your life and give Him everything. 07:58 Praise God. 07:59 I'm gonna tell another story later about another promise 08:01 I made to God to save my life. 08:03 Excellent. 08:05 You touched on it and a sensitivity 08:07 to the Lord at an early age. 08:09 So for me the logical question is, 08:12 did you kind of play it straight all through 08:14 or did you kind of have wilderness years, you know, 08:16 did you and most people do, many people do, 08:20 did you follow that path or you kind of, 08:22 did you kind of stay straight the whole time? 08:24 You know, I tell people, I wouldn't say 08:27 that I have any kind of dramatic Prodigal Son story. 08:30 But at the same time, you know, the devil can seen 08:33 in the unseen realms of the fourdimension 08:36 and he knows the once who have a heart for God. 08:39 And so he's tried to destroy me throughout my life 08:43 and did ultimately go through a painful divorce at one point. 08:47 But God met me in that place and He took something 08:51 that was broken and He made something beautiful out of it. 08:54 And it was out of that wilderness experience 08:57 that God lead me into media production on full time basis. 09:02 It was a platform to help 09:03 to offer hope to hurting people. 09:05 And I'll share a few of those projects that we worked 09:09 on to help, offer hope to the people out there. 09:11 Now you are a West Coast guy, California guy, 09:14 60 miles or so, east of LA, was the media, 09:18 movie thing kind of always in your DNA 09:20 or was that something you developed later on life? 09:22 That's a good question, C.A. 09:24 I loved cameras from the time I was a kid. 09:27 And I loved the Bible even earlier than cameras. 09:32 And the stories of the Bible were very vivid to me. 09:36 So yeah, I loved cameras. 09:39 I loved playing with them every time. 09:41 And also the fascination with production 09:44 and how it all fit together. 09:45 Stories, I loved stories. 09:48 There was a, one of our films was showing on TV. 09:50 I got a call from my aunt recently and she said, 09:53 "Hey, I started laughing out loud when I saw your film." 09:57 I said, "Why is that, Aunt Maureen? 09:59 She said, "Well, because I remembered you 10:01 as a four year old. 10:02 You were the one that walked around with a hair brush 10:04 trying to interview everyone in the room." 10:07 You know, so God apparently wired into my DNA. 10:11 For those who are watching, who are wondering, you know, 10:14 what is your plan for me Lord, what do you want me to do. 10:18 Really thinking and praying over your childhood 10:20 and the things you dreamed about, 10:21 the things that you play, even games 10:23 that you play can be very helpful in sensing 10:27 what it is that Lord created you to do. 10:29 I, once said, look at the things 10:30 that come natural to you. 10:32 The things that you are gifted for, 10:33 the things that you began to do in your early years, 10:36 at the intersection of natural talents and gifts 10:38 and your love for Christ, that's where you ought to be. 10:42 That's where you are planted and that's where you grow. 10:45 Having said that, 10:49 was media, well, let me ask this question. 10:52 Was it always in your mind to produce films 10:56 or just television, because there was a time 11:00 when we as a church say, stay away from media. 11:04 Stay out of that arena 'cause God's not there. 11:07 Was there dissonance in your life 11:09 because you got this natural bent? 11:11 Or could you see or did the Lord give you 11:13 a vision that hey, I can use this stuff 11:16 for the up building of the kingdom? 11:17 Yeah. 11:18 I think I withheld 11:21 the out working of this opportunity 11:23 for a period of time until I could learn 11:27 some things in life, particularly, 11:29 growing understanding, a knowledge of His word 11:32 and a personal experience with my Creator 11:36 that would ground me to the point 11:38 that I would not be, when you serve the Lord, 11:42 sometimes you work on a shoestring budget 11:44 and you don't always have a lot of financial support 11:48 from the world to do what you are called to do. 11:50 And I think that endurance, you know, 11:52 like Moses endured as him who saw the invisible. 11:57 I needed to have the personal context, 11:58 I think before the Lord lead me into my ultimate desire. 12:02 Understood. 12:03 And to take the love of the Bible 12:05 and take the love of media and have this perfect storm 12:08 come together in a way that God, it would honor God 12:12 as opposed to film my own personal desires, you know. 12:15 Yeah, yeah. 12:16 Like the Psalms say, you know, make the Lord, 12:18 the desire of your heart. 12:20 He will give you every thing else. 12:21 Yeah, yeah. 12:22 I think that's crucial. 12:24 And I like what you said because without that grounding, 12:27 you are in an arena that can take you far afield. 12:30 You know, there's money to be made 12:32 doing what you do, away from God. 12:34 So one, you need the grounding to stay focused 12:38 on your mission and two, when offers come 12:44 and people see your work and they say, 12:45 "Well, hey, here some bucks do on this." 12:47 You can say, "No, I'm going over here 12:49 'cause this is where God is leading me." 12:50 Right. 12:52 So you need that first before you begin 12:53 to build your super structure, you need that foundation. 12:55 Obviously, you waited till you got that 12:57 before you ventured out. 12:58 Yeah. Yeah. 12:59 Yeah, and also the other thing I would tell people 13:02 from my own experiences. 13:03 It's been fascinating to see how everything 13:06 in my past business career, nothing's been wasted. 13:10 In God's economy nothing is wasted. 13:13 The business career, the accounting, 13:15 the finance background, the marketing skills, 13:18 all of those things, ministries are also businesses. 13:21 And so many ministries start 13:23 without having a structure in place. 13:25 Yes. 13:26 So I praise God that I had a business background 13:28 and when God lead me into ministry, 13:30 there was a certain structure that took place with prayer. 13:33 Yeah. 13:34 And that's been a huge blessing. 13:37 Praise the Lord. 13:38 So the actual soup to nuts 13:39 technical abilities of making films, 13:42 that's part of what God gave me the experience in doing. 13:48 You asked me how did I start, did I just dive right in 13:50 and do film or did it start with television 13:52 and the quick answer 13:54 is the first thing that I did was, 13:56 my local church invited me to help start a talk show. 13:59 Very cool. 14:00 For young adults. 14:02 And it was called 14:03 "Hope on Fire" several years ago. 14:04 Well, that show ended up becoming, started on radio 14:08 and then became a TV talk show for a period of years 14:11 and out of that Lifestreams Media was born. 14:15 And the documentary production, 14:17 the film production was sort of what God put on my heart. 14:20 And I'll share about "Single Creek," 14:21 our first film when, I don't know 14:24 if we're gonna go to a break but that's okay. 14:25 Yeah, we're gonna go to a song. 14:27 But before we do that I want to ask you to define for me 14:29 what a short film is. 14:32 'Cause it doesn't necessarily have to do 14:34 with the length of the film. 14:35 But define what a short is. 14:36 'Cause that's your bell... that's what you do. 14:39 You do short films. 14:40 What is that? 14:42 Well, short films technically are anything shorter than 14:45 45 minutes in a film festival circuit. 14:49 The truth is our documentary films are made for television, 14:53 53 minutes to 59 minute run time. 14:56 Some, that's sort of in the no man's land, 14:58 the grey zone of short versus feature film. 15:02 Technically a feature film is 90 minutes plus. 15:05 But for documentary format, anything longer than 15:09 45 minutes sometimes is considered a "feature." 15:12 A feature, yeah, I know 15:14 there are some not hard and fast rules 15:17 but there are some general expectations 15:19 when you talk about a short film. 15:22 Define for our audience what a documentary is. 15:26 You know, these are generally interviews 15:28 that are intended to do a journalistic nature where, 15:34 almost everybody start with an idea 15:36 and they want develop to go an idea, find people 15:39 that are knowledgeable in a field 15:41 or maybe somebody has a personal story 15:43 that happened to them and a documentary 15:46 and a producer wants to go and interview them 15:48 and create a story or film around their story. 15:51 I would say that we've, our three films 15:54 that we've done so far, kind of touch on both. 15:57 Some are issue driven where you go 15:58 and interview people that are experts in a field 16:01 and then you develop the whole film around an issue. 16:05 Yeah. 16:06 To try to drive social consciousness, 16:08 you try to impact your culture based on the calling 16:12 and not everybody has a lily white sense 16:16 of agenda, right, C.A. 16:17 Right, right, yeah. 16:19 I mean Hollywood has an agenda. 16:21 We, as Christians have a calling. 16:23 We have a mission and so yes, we have agenda. 16:25 Yes. 16:26 And so therefore I'm unapologetic 16:28 that the documentaries that we produce are intended 16:31 to create a context through story telling, 16:36 whether it's an issue-driven 16:38 or whether it's personal testimony 16:39 or somebody is sharing their journey. 16:42 And I'll break that down around issues versus personal story. 16:46 But like "Single Creek," it's issue-driven. 16:49 It's a very awkward sort of topic in the church 16:53 that's marriage and family-centric. 16:54 And if you are 40 plus and you've never been married, 16:58 something must be wrong with you, C.A. 17:00 We got to fix you, right. 17:01 So that sort of an issue-driven example. 17:04 What we're going out there to produce. 17:07 Well said, well said. 17:08 I want to get into because we're gonna talk about 17:10 your contact with the late Roger Morneau's foundation 17:13 and some stuff that has come out of that. 17:14 That is very exciting. 17:16 And some other stuff that you're doing 17:17 that led up to that. 17:19 I think we'll go to our music now 17:20 which comes to us from Valerie Shelton Walker 17:22 and she's gonna be singing, "My Tribute." 17:34 How can I say thanks 17:40 For the things 17:43 That You have done for me? 17:47 Things so undeserved 17:53 Yet you gave 17:56 To prove your love for me 18:00 The voices of a million angels 18:05 Could not express my gratitude 18:12 All that I am, and ever hope to be 18:20 I owe it all to thee 18:26 To God be the glory 18:33 To God be the glory 18:40 To God be the glory 18:46 For the things he has done 18:52 With His blood He has saved me 18:59 With His power He has raised me 19:06 To God be the glory 19:12 For the things he has done 19:18 Just let me live my life 19:25 Let it be pleasing Lord to thee 19:31 And should I gain any praise, 19:37 let it go to Calvary 19:44 Calvary 19:48 With His blood He has saved me 19:55 With His power He has raised me 20:03 To God be the glory 20:08 For the things 20:13 For the things 20:20 For the things 20:24 That He has done He has done 20:31 He has done 20:42 Amen, and thank you, Valerie Shelton Walker. 20:45 Well done. My guest is Chris Lang. 20:48 He of Lifestream Media, a film maker, 20:50 a documentary film maker. 20:52 We touched on Chris a little bit about 20:55 "Single Creek and "When Morning Breaks us," 20:57 sort of came out of a pretty dark time in your life. 21:00 But God used those for good to be the, 21:03 the sort of muse for these two particular films. 21:07 Give me just a quick run down 21:08 on those particular works if you would. 21:10 Absolutely, C.A. 21:13 "Single Creek actually was our first film. 21:16 And in many respects, it's gonna always be 21:19 special to me because it really created 21:21 a platform to offer hope 21:23 to single adults that are out there. 21:24 You know, US census status tells 21:27 that a 100 million single adults 21:29 now represent half of all US households. 21:33 And that's the, never married, the divorced, the widow, 21:37 the single parent, the person struggling 21:41 with same sex attraction 21:42 who's living a life of celibacy, you know. 21:44 There's a voice out there through this film for those 21:47 single adults challenging church to see singles 21:51 differently and to challenge singles to live a life 21:54 full of faith through the talents for Christ. 21:57 Praise God. 21:58 So it also surprises married people by the way. 22:01 'Cause it reminds all of us 22:02 that our completion in our lives comes 22:05 from one source and it's not our spouse. 22:06 Amen, amen. 22:08 Colossians 2: 10 says that, "You are complete in Him." 22:10 Praise God. Well said. 22:12 So that's "Single Creek." 22:13 "When Morning Breaks," many people feel like 22:15 it's an extension or follow up film to "Single Creek" 22:20 because Christian church is not only marriage-centric 22:23 but also family-centric. 22:26 And for those couples that are out there watching 22:28 who haven't been able to have children, 22:29 they might feel marginalized sometimes. 22:32 Those who had miscarriages, they might feel like 22:34 God can't trust them to be parents. 22:36 And of course, the abortion issue. 22:39 For women who had a, post abortive women feel 22:43 like they didn't have any choice. 22:44 And so where are the safe places in churches for them 22:49 to talk about such things? 22:50 So "When Morning Breaks" is really a film about hope. 22:53 It's, you know, people say, well, it's got miscarriage 22:56 and abortion story shared in it. 22:58 But you know, C.A., one of the things 23:00 that I've learnt is that, the long term emotional impact 23:03 of either kind of pregnancy loss, 23:05 regardless of the cause can be long term 23:08 and it can often be very similar. 23:10 Sure. 23:11 But in the context for all of us, 23:13 we can see in a lens through stories 23:16 that we all need healing and we all need a Savior. 23:19 So these have been our first two documentaries, 23:22 really social issue-driven but also hoping create 23:26 conversation in the church. 23:27 Yeah, praise the Lord. 23:29 Now are these still available? 23:30 They are available on digital platforms 23:32 like Amazon prime and Google Play 23:35 and also on our ministry website as well. 23:37 Okay, so we can get the stuff. 23:39 And we'll put that information up later. 23:40 What I got to ask you now, 23:42 because you got to go hustle along. 23:43 Yeah. 23:44 Your road to film making was not a direct road. 23:47 You've done a lot of stuff 23:49 which actually kind of prepared you 23:51 for the ministry that you now carry on. 23:53 May God has taken you through some things. 23:55 Did you go to school for your film making? 23:57 Did you pick at that skill up along the way 23:59 with all of the other things you're doing. 24:01 'Cause your resume is pretty broad. 24:03 Yeah, that's right, C.A. 24:05 Actually it was in the field learning. 24:08 I didn't actually go to school for film production. 24:11 You know, when you love, when you sense a great story, 24:14 when you feel that, when you feel that conviction, 24:17 it's really learning those technical tools, you know, 24:20 the shooting, the editing, the color correction, 24:22 the audit, the music and making sure you understand 24:26 how it all fits together. 24:27 And we God's blessing, 24:29 these films are being shown worldwide. 24:31 Praise God. 24:32 And so thankful for the opportunity 24:35 to tell these stories. 24:36 But you know, I'm not just telling other people's stories 24:38 and that's the wonderful context when you remember 24:41 that God saved your life too, 24:44 to become this sort of out growth of story telling. 24:48 So all of this is filtered through that. 24:51 Our friend that says, you know, 24:52 "If you got the fastball, 24:54 we can teach you the other things." 24:55 you know, so you got to have the basic understanding 24:57 of what a story is and how to tell it. 24:59 The technical stuff, you can pick up 25:01 but if you got the fastball I can teach you to curve 25:03 in a slider 'cause you got have the fastball. 25:05 So obviously, you had the fastball. 25:07 And the other things you picked up along the way 25:09 and God prepared you and took all of that, 25:11 put it in a pot and out came ministry 25:14 which we praise the Lord for. 25:15 Talk about this last one, 25:16 the latest and greatest they would say. 25:18 Yeah, this project is called "About Miracles" 25:20 and it was such a joy to put together. 25:23 We have a short trailer that we want to show 25:27 to give a context for what this story present. 25:30 All right, let's watch it. 25:35 What if you were robbed at work and then shot in the head? 25:44 Or what if a blood vessel in your brain 25:46 was about to rupture and you didn't know it? 25:52 What if you had to earn thousands of dollars 25:54 in one week for a mission trip? 25:59 Or what if you were going blind 26:01 and prayed for healing that never came? 26:05 Sometimes you need a miracle 26:08 and sometimes the only logical explanation is God. 26:22 Love it. See I'm in line already. 26:26 I'm there to watch it. 26:27 Walk me through a little of what we're gonna see 26:29 when we buy that DVD. 26:31 Well, there are four stories, 26:32 as you saw really quickly in that trailer. 26:35 The first story is about a man who was working 26:37 in a convenient store and he was robbed and shot 26:39 in the head at point blank range and left for dead. 26:44 It was amazing, the little clip you saw there 26:46 in the trailer, God actually opened the door for us 26:49 to re-enact that scene in the very store 26:53 where he was attacked. 26:54 We also got security camera footage and interviewed 26:59 the surgeon that operated on him, 27:01 the very night he was shot. 27:03 Three feet from his head with a 45 caliber pistol 27:06 went through his ear and ducked down 27:08 and broke his mandible went spun through his neck 27:11 and you have jugular and carotid arteries. 27:14 You have oesophagus, you have your spinal column, 27:17 missed all of that. 27:18 And you saw the scar in the trailer. 27:19 It's just a scar. 27:21 It's a batch for this man, Brian. 27:23 He gets to tell his miracle story every where he goes. 27:26 Yeah. No neurologic deficit. 27:28 92% of people who are shot in the head will die. 27:31 Yeah. Wow. 27:33 So the second story that you saw in the trailer is a women 27:35 who had an a brain aneurysm and what's fascinating about 27:39 her story, C.A., is that God spoke to her 27:42 when she was on the phone one night 27:43 and told her to go to the emergency room 27:45 when she had no physical symptoms at all. 27:47 Wow. 27:48 She obeyed and because she obeyed her life was saved. 27:52 And that's amazing story. 27:54 The third story is a girl who want go got to China 27:57 on a mission trip and she didn't have the money. 27:59 So she was call porter and she had to sell 28:01 an exact number of books on four days time 28:04 to earn the thousands of dollars to go on that trip 28:07 and it was a really fun short story doing that film. 28:09 Yeah. 28:11 God cares more about all of these kinds 28:14 of temporal concerns and this really illustrates 28:17 how passionate and wonderful our Lord is to intercede 28:21 in even such a simple thing that's not life and death. 28:23 Yeah. Last story, Neville Peter. 28:26 Many of our viewers know who he is. 28:28 He's a songwriter. Been here many times. 28:29 Wonderful man of God. 28:31 Heard him talking one day, 28:33 I was looking for my fourth story 28:34 and I heard the Holy Spirit whisper to me, talk to Neville. 28:39 He's a miracle too. 28:41 And it didn't dawn on me until after I interviewed him 28:44 what the Lord was trying to say 28:46 through a blind man's testimony. 28:48 And I understood that God wants the world 28:51 through this film to see that the greatest miracle of all 28:55 is the miracle of a transformed heart. 28:57 Praise God. 28:58 Neville, you see, Neville doesn't have some pulled up 29:02 by the bootstraps "positivity," 29:05 get self-help book mentality. 29:08 He believes in His Creator that has a transformative 29:11 impact in his life and it really shows. 29:13 Yeah, it does. 29:14 It does, comes across in all that he does. 29:16 So that's a little snippet of... 29:18 Let me ask you this question. 29:20 How do you get your stories, that people bring you stuff, 29:22 do you go out looking for things, 29:23 do ideas brought to you, things pitched to you, 29:26 how do you get your material? 29:28 All of the above, brother. 29:31 Yeah, emails, phone calls 29:33 and sometimes like in this case, 29:35 as I say, the Lord is my witness, 29:37 I heard the Holy Spirit say to me, talk to Neville. 29:39 He's a miracle too. 29:41 So even the Lord has lead directly 29:43 to some of these stories. 29:45 Yeah. How very, very exciting. 29:49 The latest venture of yours, talk to us about 29:54 how you came into contact 29:55 with the Roger Morneau's estate. 29:57 I have happened to have read I think everything 29:59 that has been written about him and all of his works. 30:02 So when I heard that you were working with that, 30:04 it peaked my interest. 30:06 But walk us through that time 30:07 and what is coming out of that context. 30:08 Sure. 30:11 Recently I have read all of Roger's books 30:13 and I was impressed, C.A. 30:15 that I had never seen a dramatic presentation 30:18 of his conversion story, 1946. 30:21 I mean, anyone who's heard about Roger Morneau 30:24 would not disagree that it must be 30:25 one of the greatest conversion stories of the 20th century. 30:28 For those who haven't, give us some culture, 30:30 some background, some context for Roger. 30:32 As a young lad, Roger could not harmonize 30:35 the teachings of his church. 30:36 He grew up Catholic, with those of the viable. 30:38 He came to believe that God was a tyrant. 30:41 And he turned his back on God and religion completely. 30:44 Later he was invited into a secret society 30:47 that promised him wealth and power. 30:48 Yes. 30:50 But even though he was charmed by spirits and teachers, 30:52 he never felt peace or joy. 30:54 He found out first hand that demons are real. 30:58 Oh, yes. 30:59 And that their work is based on deception. 31:02 He's been pressured by the satanic priest 31:05 in that group to join to be initiated on Halloween 1946. 31:10 One night he's laying in bed. 31:11 By the way, his parents have warned him not to play 31:13 with evil and that someday you're gonna pay the price. 31:16 Yeah. 31:17 And he also knew that no one had ever gotten 31:19 out of that secret society alive. 31:22 So there he is at night. He can't sleep at 3 a.m. 31:24 He's staring up at the ceiling and he hates, 31:28 remember he hates God. 31:29 He's turned his back on God but he shouts up 31:31 to the ceiling, "If there is a God in heaven 31:33 that cares for me, help me." 31:38 Several days later, he met Cyril Grosse 31:40 at the embroidery factory where he worked. 31:43 And he soon learned during that day 31:44 that Cyril was a pretty religious man. 31:47 And he came to find out 31:48 that Cyril kept the Bible Sabbath. 31:50 And so that very night he asked if he could study 31:53 the Bible with Cyril and his wife Cynthia. 31:55 And within seven days they had covered 28 Bible studies. 31:58 Wow. 31:59 And he gave his heart to the Lord 32:01 instead of that very week selling his soul to the devil 32:04 which is what he was supposed to do. 32:05 Yeah, yeah. 32:07 Because Roger was not a toad in the water kind of Satan is. 32:09 He dove in, hook lines, ain't got whatever 32:12 better for you, you want to use. 32:13 He was deep into that was enough. 32:15 Exactly. 32:17 And you know, but knew his heart 32:19 and God knows that viewers that are out there, 32:21 people who have not grown up with the clear understanding 32:26 of the heart of God and truth of His word. 32:29 He knows the people that have been deceived. 32:31 And He knew that about Roger. Yes. 32:33 You see, I believe that this story 32:35 is so timely for today, C.A. 32:37 Because many of the people who are leaving Christianity 32:40 and going to the none of the above category. 32:43 They are not going to Buddhism and others. 32:44 They are going to the none of the above categories. 32:45 Correct. Yes. 32:47 Because religion has failed them. 32:48 Well, it failed Roger too. 32:50 And if people could hear and understand 32:53 how the Creator God reached down into the darkness 32:56 to save this man's life when he hated God. 32:59 But God understood that he was deceived. 33:02 And so that's what's so fascinating about this story. 33:04 The opportunity to now, we actually signed 33:08 a development agreement with Roger's estate. 33:10 Roger passed away in 1998. 33:12 Oh, yes. 33:13 And our original idea was to develop a feature film. 33:18 And as we were the unpublished manuscript of his first book, 33:21 A trip into the Supernatural, we found out that 33:25 there was so much more of his story 33:26 that had never been published. 33:27 Aha. 33:29 And so by God's grace we were convicted 33:31 that the world should see the whole story. 33:36 And so this book actually came out recently 33:41 that includes the full manuscript, 33:43 the full story of his conversion in 1946. 33:47 And not only his childhood 33:49 and his World War II experience, 33:50 but also some incredible ways that God taught him 33:54 to pray after he gave his heart to the Lord. 33:56 Mmm. 33:57 My question to you as a film maker, 34:00 you read this massive material on this very complex 34:03 and layered life. 34:05 How do you then digest that into something 34:09 that we can watch that tells the story, yet, 34:11 is not incredibly long, that holds our interest? 34:13 How do you begin to attack that to make it 34:16 something that we want to see. 34:17 Yeah. 34:19 There's a 1000 different ways 34:21 a story can be told, right, C.A.? 34:22 Uh, huh. 34:25 The feature film originally was designed to be focused 34:29 on primarily his childhood experiences, 34:32 the ways that he was informed in his Catholic upbringing 34:36 and then the way his twig was bent. 34:38 You see, his mother died when he was 12 years old. 34:40 Yes. 34:41 And that was the straw 34:43 that broke the camel's back for Roger. 34:45 So our focus was really going to be on the secret society 34:49 and on how he was delivered by the Lord. 34:52 See there was a confrontation 34:53 with the high ranking spirit one night. 34:56 On the week when he was studying the Bible, 34:58 a spirit confronted him in his bedroom one night. 35:01 And this is really the climax of the movie. 35:03 In my heart, I could, I sense that the Lord wanted to show 35:07 that doesn't, you know, Jesus said, 35:09 "On this rock I will build my church." 35:11 Matthew chapter 16. 35:13 "And the gate of hell will not prevail against it." 35:16 Wow. Right. 35:18 So even if the devil himself comes to a new child of God 35:21 and tries to shout and that's what was happening 35:24 that night in Roger's bedroom. 35:27 And in the name of Jesus, Roger, 35:29 told that spirit to leave in the name of Jesus. 35:32 And that spirit left and slammed 35:34 the balcony door open so hard, 35:37 it just about put a hole in the plastered wall. 35:39 So when you asked me how do you tell the story 35:41 so that people would care. 35:43 Well, first, you have to tel the story that makes, 35:45 it can't just be an information dump. 35:47 People aren't gonna be interested 35:49 if you're information dumping and trying to "preach" at them. 35:51 Yeah. 35:52 You have to engage them at the point 35:54 where they're gonna care about this character, Roger Morneau. 35:57 So developing empathy as you go along in your story 36:01 in the script and then building up to a climax, 36:05 there's a certain structure 36:06 that typically a film should follow. 36:08 Yes. 36:09 In order to actually bring people on a journey. 36:13 People have to want to care about someone first. 36:15 And secondly, is, what is it that that person cares about? 36:18 It has to be universal concern. 36:20 Understood. 36:21 And so in the story you have to build 36:23 what is that universal thing that your character is seeking. 36:26 And throughout the story there has to be a thread. 36:28 Yeah. 36:30 So that's ultimately what we're working on. 36:32 We don't have the script finished yet. 36:34 And we, and that's part of what we are praying about. 36:37 So we have the book, the documentary interviews. 36:41 Well, actually it's a three-part project, C.A. 36:43 It's the book, it's a documentary 36:45 that features interviews with family, friends 36:47 and former members of the occult. 36:49 And there's featured film. Wow. 36:50 And so each of them are their own pieces. 36:53 And the script for the feature film 36:55 is what we're still praying about. 36:57 It's gonna be an expensive project. 36:59 But, you know, you said something. 37:01 The theatre today is the post-modern church. 37:05 People are increasingly going there to find their truth. 37:09 And this story, by God's grace, we want to present, 37:13 we want to help people to understand 37:14 why truth matters today. 37:16 And that the great controversy is real. 37:18 Yes, yes. 37:20 I'll give you an example. 37:21 There's a certain sound to this story, C.A. 37:23 I was in a big city and I was looking forward 37:27 to see if you could their trolley system 37:30 as a exterior shots for our film. 37:32 Sure. 37:33 So I met with the transit authority 37:35 and they brought me into their office. 37:36 I'm sitting there talking to these powerful people. 37:39 And I'm a nobody. I'm not from Hollywood. 37:42 But they're treating me, you know, 37:43 with respect and they said, "Listen, we do this a lot. 37:48 We rent our subways our buses, 37:50 our trolleys to Hollywood producers all the time. 37:53 But we don't always agree because sometimes 37:55 it could create a bad image for our city." 37:57 So she leans forward under chair and she asks me, 38:00 "What's your movie about?" 38:03 Now when you don't know somebody's real view, C.A. 38:05 Right. 38:07 You don't know if they're Christian, 38:08 a Muslim or agnostic. 38:09 Yeah, you don't want to lay it on too thick, 38:11 you don't want to, you know, pour honey on them but, yeah. 38:12 So it was a Nehemiah thing. 38:14 You know, I said, I prayed to the Lord and I said to her, 38:17 "It's a story about Roger Morneau, 38:19 former demon worshipper, who became a Christian author 38:22 and prayer warrior. 38:23 It happened in 1946 and that's the reason 38:26 why we want to lease your trolleys for exterior shots." 38:29 Because their trolleys actually were manufactured in 1947. 38:34 Wow. 38:36 And they are operational out on the street in that city. 38:37 Incredible. Good story. 38:38 Really amazing. Yeah. 38:40 So, I said to her, I said, "You know, this story is true." 38:43 And I said, I'm going to interview the very people 38:45 who study the Bible with him in 1946. 38:47 They are almost 90 years old." 38:49 And I said, "Those people were almost killed by spirits. 38:52 They were witnesses." 38:53 Yeah. 38:55 "There is a battle going 38:56 on over every personal life today." 38:58 See how I never forget how bigger her eyes were. 39:01 She was leaning forward under chair. 39:03 She grabbed her file of paper work 39:05 and she started going over. 39:06 She said, "That sounds fine to me." 39:08 And she started going through the pricing 39:10 and the contract and everything. 39:12 She gave me her card. 39:13 She says, "Call me, this sounds great. 39:16 We want to see the script when it's done." 39:18 You know, we planted, the Lord planted a seed there. 39:21 And I also ran into a president in that same city of a company 39:25 we work with. 39:27 They are not Seventh-Day Adventist Christians. 39:29 And he took me out to lunch. 39:31 He knows that I'm working 39:32 on this project about Roger Morneau. 39:34 And he knows that it's more about, 39:36 it's about more than just being delivered 39:38 from demon worship though. 39:40 It, Roger learned about the Sabbath, 39:41 he learned about the state of the dead, 39:43 and what's amazing 39:45 is that this Sunday Protestant and all of his staff, 39:49 they are praying for this project, C.A. 39:50 Praise God. Praise the Lord. 39:52 Praying for this project, 39:53 that the Lord will open the doors for us. 39:55 Let me ask you this question before our time is up 39:56 because Roger, in reading the material 40:00 dealt with some dark stuff. 40:02 How do you walk that line between telling the truth 40:07 about his life and not degenerating 40:09 into a sort of sci fiy kind of spooks kind thing. 40:12 Creepy Halloween. 40:14 Yeah, yeah, kind of Halloween 40:15 kind of caricature kind of a thing? 40:17 You know, that's been in a topic of a lot of prayer. 40:20 Yeah. 40:22 You know, the challenge 40:24 that we don't want to glorify the darkness. 40:26 Precisely. 40:27 We want to lift up Christ. 40:29 And for the sake of those people like Jesus, 40:33 when he went across the sea and He ran into those 40:35 demon possessed men in Genezareth, right. 40:39 He told that man, "Go tell your friends and family 40:41 what great thing the Lord has done for you." 40:42 Yes. 40:44 Now you see, that man had 40:45 never heard Jesus preach before. 40:46 He could only tell his conversion story. 40:48 Right. 40:49 And it's very graphic in the Bible. 40:51 He was cutting himself, he was chained, 40:53 he was breaking chains, he was so demon-possessed. 40:56 And so you know, the Bible tells us 40:59 in Ephesians chapter 5 that it's sad 41:03 that we should even have to speak of these things. 41:06 And then Paul says that, 41:07 "We are to expose the darkness." 41:10 And of course, "Putting on the whole armor of God" 41:12 in chapter 6. 41:14 But it is, it's a challenge to present the story 41:19 to validate that the darkness is real. 41:22 It's like if I were to give a slogan, I would say, 41:25 the darkness is real, and God is awesome. 41:28 That's essentially the slogan is because Jesus 41:30 is the lead character, the devil of course, 41:33 is part of the great controversy. 41:34 But he is defeated. 41:36 And so, you know, in order to be 41:38 truthful to Roger's story, 41:40 we have to validate that the darkness is real. 41:42 Yeah, that's the tension... 41:44 Now I'll tell you a quick story, 41:45 not to take away your time. 41:47 When I was writing my third book, there was a scene 41:51 of a young lady, she's an Adventist. 41:53 She is Christian. 41:54 She has a secret crack habit that she confided to me. 41:57 And we were writing the story. 41:59 Well, she says, "It's Friday night out, 42:02 I went to get crack and I told the guy 42:04 I got no money, so I have nothing to give you." 42:06 He says, "Yeah, you do." 42:07 And she said, "The way he looked at me, 42:08 I knew what he wanted." 42:10 So she said, "Ten minutes later, 42:11 I'm on the ground and my dress is up and a man is on me 42:15 and in me, in three hours, I'm going to be in church. 42:18 All of this drugs. 42:19 I didn't even know this guy's name." 42:21 So when I submitted the book, 42:22 they said, "You can't put that in there." 42:25 And we fought over that. 42:26 Because I said, in order to glory in her healing, 42:30 I got to share where she came from. 42:31 So if we sanitize that, 42:33 then we lose the legitimacy of her ascent. 42:36 Well said. 42:37 Yeah, you know, so we got to show that. 42:39 We don't want a glory in that, 42:40 we don't want to wallow in that. 42:42 But that's part of her life like her 42:44 now being in the church and being in clean 42:47 and being holy this part of her life. 42:48 So you can't, you got to have, you got have both. 42:50 So it occurred to me that that's one of the tight ropes 42:53 you got to walk. 42:54 We got to tell the truth about where this guy came from, 42:57 so that you can see that if someone else 42:59 is down there too, they also got the hope. 43:01 And as a film maker, you got to do that 43:03 in a short period of time. 43:05 But you got to make that point. 43:06 That's exactly right. Very well said, C.A. 43:09 You know, Roger's intercessory prayer ministry 43:14 is greatly remembered. 43:15 A lot of his books were about prayer. 43:17 Very much so. 43:18 But they were informed by his knowledge 43:21 of having been deep in the darkness. 43:23 Well said. Yes, yeah. 43:25 You see, that's the reason why God used him 43:27 in such a powerful way to illustrate 43:30 the power of intercessory prayer. 43:32 Because he understands the rules of engagement 43:35 between the darkness and the light. 43:37 And he articulated it in a way 43:39 that only the Holy Spirit could. 43:40 Amen. 43:41 So I agree with you. 43:43 I think this is uh, Mary Magdalene, you know, 43:46 healed from seven demons by Jesus himself. 43:48 Yeah. 43:49 What a dramatic depth that He pulled her from. 43:51 Precisely. 43:52 And how in the world would we have a context 43:54 that Jesus is relevant today unless we, as you said, 43:58 tell where someone really came from. 43:59 Yeah, yeah. 44:01 Do you write, as far as spirit writing, 44:02 do you write your own stuff or do you have group of people 44:05 write for you, write with you? 44:06 How do you do that? 44:07 With a documentary production, 44:09 the Lord and I do that during post-production. 44:11 Most documentaries don't have a script. 44:13 Yeah. 44:14 But in this new project we're talking about, 44:16 we're putting together a team. 44:18 There's a number of different script writers 44:20 that I'm talking to right now who are praying about 44:23 and talking and seeing who the Lord has in stored 44:26 to write the script for the screen play. 44:27 Praise the Lord. It must be so very exciting. 44:30 First of all, I like film. 44:32 I like movies and I like the documentary format. 44:36 So it must be exciting to bite down on something 44:38 that big and that has consequence 44:40 and that can change lives, yes, no. 44:42 Yeah. Yeah. 44:43 This is exciting. 44:45 I believe that we are in the final stages 44:46 of world's history, brother. 44:48 Well said. 44:49 And you know, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, John Wesley, 44:52 all these great reformers that they have broke free 44:57 of a lot of truth in their area 44:58 but they weren't able to show all truth. 45:02 The truth of the Sabbath and the state of the dead, 45:04 were things that they didn't understand back then. 45:07 So we have a final mission to finish the protestant 45:10 reformation because the protest is not over. 45:12 Amen. 45:13 You know, and Roger's story is so beautiful 45:16 and it's like the call to come out of Babylon. 45:19 Because, you know, C.A., 45:20 the thread that runs through all world views 45:23 except for our precious view of Christians 45:25 in Seventh-Day Adventist or one of those sub cultures, 45:28 that understands the death is asleep. 45:31 It's the immortality of the soul, that this belief, 45:35 that you pass on in some form or another after you die. 45:39 Whether it's free masonry, witchcraft, 45:42 whether it's a most of Protestant Christianity, 45:45 Catholicism, Buddhism, it believes in Nirvana, 45:49 Hinduism, you know, even witches believe in Summer land 45:53 that you go somewhere like a purgatory. 45:55 You know, the devil is so good at sending out all these 45:58 distractions, thousands of packagings 46:01 but it all comes back to the tree. 46:03 It all comes back to the garden, 46:04 where the serpent says, you will not surely die. 46:06 Correct. Yeah. 46:08 So the lie is a lie even well today. 46:09 If God need the people who are gonna reflect 46:12 the face of Jesus and show the truth and love. 46:15 Well said, well said. 46:17 As you began to work now 46:21 on this life, now first let me ask. 46:22 This book is available. Yes. 46:24 Yeah, you can get this now. 46:25 That's right. 46:27 This is sort of the template for what you are trying 46:28 to do as far as his life... 46:30 The movie script we base on this book. 46:33 And so we definitely seeing this 46:37 as phase one of our three-part project. 46:38 Mmm. Yeah. 46:40 Yeah, praise God. 46:41 You are working with a permission, 46:43 the cooperation, the blessing of the Morneau estate. 46:46 Correct. 46:47 okay, so this is legitimate stuff. 46:49 Yeah, I actually had the privilege 46:50 to interview Roger's grandson recently. 46:52 And of course Cyril and Cynthia Grosse 46:54 who studied the Bible with Roger in 1946. 46:58 And so it's been a great privilege 47:00 to work with Roger's family. 47:03 And to me, so many incredible people 47:06 that knew Roger. 47:07 Yeah. 47:09 I actually interviewed a couple in Montreal Canada 47:11 who Roger prayed for 47:12 and she had this miraculous heart recovery 47:14 when she was actually dying in the hospital, critical care. 47:17 Yeah, yeah. 47:18 Now that was as you read his material, 47:19 that was a an outgrowth of his walk with God, 47:23 that that guy had believe to get a prayer through, man. 47:26 And get blessings on a back end. 47:28 He really and I think it's because he had come 47:31 from so far down, he knew who God was, 47:32 he knew where God was, he knew how to get to God 47:34 and there was a sincerity that marked his, 47:37 the latter part of his life that was unmistakable. 47:39 But, you know, he wanted so desperately, C.A., 47:42 for the world for believers every where 47:45 to believe and grasp that, 47:48 you can have a prayer life like he had. 47:51 That Roger was no special guru 47:54 like they believe in India in Hinduism. 47:56 That Roger was simply trying to teach us and disciple us 47:59 and help us understand that 48:01 we can all have that passion at prayer life, 48:03 that intimacy with the Father 48:05 and that, his estate wants desperately 48:08 for people listening and watching this project 48:11 as it unfolds, to really grasp and believe for themselves. 48:14 Praise God. Praise God. 48:16 Obviously, Chris, you are very aware of the times 48:19 in which you live and that time is not far. 48:23 There's not a lot of time left. 48:24 There's much more in the rearview mirror 48:26 than there is in the windshield. 48:29 Time line, do you have a time 48:31 when you're trying to get this done in and out 48:33 or do you kind of just take it as it comes 48:34 because documentaries can be, 48:37 I mean, you got to do a lot of research, 48:38 there's a lot of time at the computer, 48:40 a lot of time looking up stuff, talking to people 48:42 and then you got to synthesize this stuff. 48:44 Do you have a kind of time line in your mind? 48:46 Thank you, yes. 48:48 The goal with God's help is to release the documentary 48:51 before the end of 2015. 48:55 Our goal is to come out with the feature film 48:59 by fall Halloween season, 2017. 49:04 It's, we're giving ourselves sometime 49:06 to raise the funds that we need. 49:08 It's gonna be a large mountain. 49:10 You know, when you do a feature film, 49:12 you have a small army that's required to... 49:14 Oh, yes, yeah. 49:15 And you have a lot of location, 49:16 a lot of expense versus the documentary format. 49:20 But we felt like the both programs are very important 49:25 in terms of underscoring the importance of the story 49:28 so, end of 2015 documentary and then late 2017 49:34 for the feature film, God willing. 49:36 Yeah. 49:37 Even sooner if possible. 49:38 But, you know, when you think about 49:40 a counter cultural story like this, 49:42 it happened during Halloween, 1946. 49:45 And all the films that get released that are spooky, 49:47 harp goblins, scary stuff, 49:50 horror films at Halloween season, 49:52 we want a film that's gonna be completely against the grain. 49:54 Praise God. Praise God. 49:56 Obviously, you have bitten down on this 49:58 because you're gonna do two projects. 50:00 One, a documentary, a feature film. 50:02 So you think this is an important story to tell. 50:05 Absolutely. 50:07 Yeah. 50:08 I really believe it's part of God's last day call 50:10 for people to come out of Babylon. 50:12 And the documentary itself 50:15 isn't intended to duplicate the feature film. 50:18 The feature film, 50:20 again, the feature film is not to be preachy, 50:22 it's not, it can't be a didactic. 50:24 We are not trying to do a Bible study 50:26 in the feature film. 50:27 Right, the Holy Spirit's blessing, 50:29 we want to make people curious to learn what Roger learned 50:32 in 1946 that saved his soul. 50:36 Yeah, and you actually, 50:38 we're heading down the same road 50:40 because I'm thinking your target audience 50:42 isn't a person who's sitting in church on Sabbath anyway. 50:44 Exactly. 50:45 That featured film is going to for an audience 50:47 that doesn't have that pre-disposition. 50:49 So it's got to tell a story without preaching the story, 50:54 yet, there's got to be some entertainment value 50:57 because want people to see it. 50:58 So you're weaving together a number of threads 51:01 to try to get something that is relevant 51:04 and yet that is marketable and that is sellable. 51:07 Right exactly. Yeah, yeah. 51:08 It's exactly right. Lot to say. 51:10 And also, you know, 51:11 we are living in a prove-it-to-me age. 51:12 Precisely, yeah. 51:14 And so that's why 51:15 the documentary is coming to serve, 51:17 underscore and validate the person that Roger was 51:19 and the danger of the occult, ultimately. 51:22 That when you dabble in it, 51:24 it's gonna take your life ultimately. 51:26 Excellent, yeah, well said. 51:29 Chris Lang is a representative of a number of young people. 51:33 I still call him young 'cause he's younger than me, 51:36 who are ceasing this medium that is so very, very popular. 51:40 I think video television, 51:42 one of the most powerful things 51:43 ever created in history of the world. 51:45 He's using this 51:47 for the uplifting of the gospel. 51:48 Should you want to make contact with Chris Lang, 51:51 Lifestreams media, support this very, very worth while 51:55 and worthy project with your prayers 51:58 and with your finances, here's the information 52:01 that you're gonna need. 52:04 To contact Chris Lang, 52:06 or for more information about his ministry, 52:08 you can write to Lifestreams Media, 52:10 Post Office Box 608513, 52:13 Orlando, Florida, 32860. 52:17 That's Lifestreams Media, Post Office Box 608513, 52:22 Orlando, Florida, 32860. 52:25 Or call (407)494-3288. 52:30 That's (407)494-3288. 52:34 Or you can go online at lifestreams.org. 52:37 That's lifestreams.org. |
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