I want to spend my life
00:00:01.36\00:00:04.83
Spend my life
00:00:04.87\00:00:07.24
Mending broken people
00:00:07.27\00:00:12.14
I want to spend my life
00:00:12.17\00:00:18.41
Removing pain
00:00:18.45\00:00:23.52
Lord, let my words
00:00:23.55\00:00:27.06
Let my words
00:00:27.09\00:00:29.72
Heal a heart that hurts
00:00:29.76\00:00:34.16
I want spend my life
00:00:34.20\00:00:40.24
Mending broken people
00:00:40.27\00:00:45.41
I want to spend my life
00:00:45.44\00:00:51.05
Mending broken people
00:00:51.08\00:00:54.68
Hello and
welcome to "3ABN Today."
00:01:06.86\00:01:09.56
My name is C.A. Murray
and allow me once again
00:01:09.60\00:01:11.53
to thank you for sharing just
a little of your day with us,
00:01:11.57\00:01:15.00
to thank you for your prayers,
your support of this ministry,
00:01:15.04\00:01:17.91
and for all that
you do to help us
00:01:17.94\00:01:19.81
do what we are called to do.
00:01:19.84\00:01:21.51
And that's to lift up the mighty
00:01:21.54\00:01:22.91
and matchless name of Jesus.
00:01:22.94\00:01:24.41
I'm excited today
for number of reasons.
00:01:24.45\00:01:26.15
One, I like and I used the term,
00:01:26.18\00:01:30.12
alternative ministries
or out of the box ministries
00:01:30.15\00:01:34.59
or non-traditional ministries.
00:01:34.62\00:01:37.83
I like the idea that God
is calling in these last days,
00:01:37.86\00:01:41.06
men and women of considerable
talent to use those talents
00:01:41.10\00:01:44.53
for the lifting up
of the kingdom of God.
00:01:44.57\00:01:47.60
All other ministries not
being done in the pulpit,
00:01:47.64\00:01:50.81
in fact, I dare
more ministry is done
00:01:50.84\00:01:52.54
outside of the
pulpit than in the pulpit.
00:01:52.57\00:01:54.68
And God is using
particular niche ministries.
00:01:54.71\00:01:58.71
He's calling people to do
what they can do to take Christ
00:01:58.75\00:02:01.78
to areas that He may
not normally be found.
00:02:01.82\00:02:05.09
And what one of those
persons is Chris Lang.
00:02:05.12\00:02:08.12
Chris, Good to have you here.
00:02:08.16\00:02:09.49
Yeah, it's
pleasure to be here, sir.
00:02:09.52\00:02:10.86
Good looking guy and
he is, he is a film maker.
00:02:10.89\00:02:15.20
And I like the
idea, I'm very impressed
00:02:15.23\00:02:17.07
that God is using film along
with other kinds of ministries
00:02:17.10\00:02:22.04
to tell people
about Jesus Christ.
00:02:22.07\00:02:23.61
We are a visual,
video population now.
00:02:23.64\00:02:28.04
We are in that age when people
want to see it even more than
00:02:28.08\00:02:30.95
they want to read
it or want to hear it.
00:02:30.98\00:02:33.31
And so God is calling
people out of the world
00:02:33.35\00:02:35.52
and into His
kingdom, to lift up Jesus
00:02:35.55\00:02:37.82
and to take Jesus
back to that same world
00:02:37.85\00:02:40.36
and put it before the
eyes, the ears, the hearts,
00:02:40.39\00:02:43.39
the minds of people who
need to hear about Jesus.
00:02:43.43\00:02:45.83
And Chris is one of those
guys doing precisely that.
00:02:45.86\00:02:47.76
Good to have you here, man.
00:02:47.80\00:02:49.13
Thank you, C.A.
00:02:49.16\00:02:50.50
Before we go to our music,
00:02:50.53\00:02:51.87
I want to get a
little background on you.
00:02:51.90\00:02:53.23
Where are you from?
00:02:53.27\00:02:54.60
I'm originally from
Homeland de California.
00:02:54.64\00:02:55.97
Aha, Adventist
ghetto there, I say.
00:02:56.00\00:02:57.34
Yes, sir. That's right.
00:02:57.37\00:02:59.07
Did you grow in the
church, Adventist family?
00:02:59.11\00:03:00.48
Yes, yes, I grew up
00:03:00.51\00:03:01.84
in an Adventist
Christian family.
00:03:01.88\00:03:03.38
I've got three siblings. I
grew up in a musical family.
00:03:03.41\00:03:06.65
My mother was a music
teacher, a choir director.
00:03:06.68\00:03:09.72
And I had a
sensitivity for the word of God
00:03:09.75\00:03:12.02
at a very young age.
00:03:12.05\00:03:13.39
Aha, praise the Lord.
00:03:13.42\00:03:14.76
Now out of the three,
where are you in that group?
00:03:14.79\00:03:16.22
I'm the baby.
00:03:16.26\00:03:17.59
Aha, the baby.
00:03:17.63\00:03:19.49
If you read some
of the things on kids,
00:03:19.53\00:03:24.93
particularly the
baby, tends to be
00:03:24.97\00:03:26.90
the one that can go off
in any direction, you know.
00:03:26.94\00:03:29.80
You may have the
first two sort of following
00:03:29.84\00:03:32.47
and the third
one can do anything.
00:03:32.51\00:03:35.48
That's the one
that kind of surprises.
00:03:35.51\00:03:36.85
Sometimes, great thing's good,
sometimes great thing's bad.
00:03:36.88\00:03:40.32
But you never tell how
that last one is going to go.
00:03:40.35\00:03:44.49
When did it occur
to you that you needed
00:03:44.52\00:03:47.59
or you had a personal Savior?
00:03:47.62\00:03:48.96
At what point did you
saw the lock down on Jesus?
00:03:48.99\00:03:51.89
You know, C.A., My
journey started very young.
00:03:51.93\00:03:56.10
And I think the
sensitivity about a Savior
00:03:56.13\00:03:59.33
who died for me and who
came to create a future,
00:03:59.37\00:04:04.77
a future hope for
my life and a purpose
00:04:04.81\00:04:08.08
for my personal life
really happened in this context
00:04:08.11\00:04:10.95
when my parents
told me my birth story.
00:04:10.98\00:04:13.65
And we have a short little clip
that actually helps illustrate
00:04:13.68\00:04:19.29
the way that God reached down
00:04:19.32\00:04:20.99
into the
darkness to save my life.
00:04:21.02\00:04:22.69
Praise the Lord.
Let's take a look.
00:04:22.72\00:04:24.06
My mother had a miscarriage.
00:04:35.34\00:04:38.57
What she did know
was that she had twins.
00:04:38.61\00:04:43.01
I was that other
twin, still inside her womb.
00:04:43.04\00:04:47.25
Now there was no
ultrasound in those days
00:04:47.28\00:04:49.78
and she continued to
have bleeding and discomfort.
00:04:49.82\00:04:53.76
So her doctor
used ringed forceps
00:04:53.79\00:04:55.96
to remove her ineffective IUD.
00:04:55.99\00:04:59.39
Then he used the
forceps to reach in, grasp,
00:04:59.43\00:05:02.50
and remove any loose
material he could from her womb.
00:05:02.53\00:05:06.94
Last, he gave her five
days of the drug Methergine.
00:05:06.97\00:05:11.37
Methergine causes the uterus
00:05:11.41\00:05:13.07
to expel
remaining birth tissues,
00:05:13.11\00:05:15.54
to minimize bleeding
and risk of infection.
00:05:15.58\00:05:19.01
But her stomach kept growing.
00:05:19.05\00:05:21.18
And several
doctors didn't believe
00:05:21.22\00:05:23.18
it was a normal pregnancy.
00:05:23.22\00:05:25.19
So mom wanted whatever
it was, surgically removed.
00:05:25.22\00:05:29.82
Fortunately for me, her
OB doctor urged her to wait.
00:05:29.86\00:05:34.76
I guess you could say,
I survived a miscarriage
00:05:34.80\00:05:38.03
and an abortion.
00:05:38.07\00:05:39.43
Well, impressive,
man. Yeah, well done.
00:05:54.92\00:05:57.65
This was uh, this was
sort of the foundation
00:05:57.69\00:06:01.66
of the way the Lord showed me
00:06:01.69\00:06:03.32
that I know you by name.
00:06:03.36\00:06:04.69
Yes.
00:06:04.73\00:06:06.06
And Psalm 139 says
that "He planned every day
00:06:06.09\00:06:07.96
in your life before
there's one of them."
00:06:08.00\00:06:09.60
Yes, yes.
00:06:09.63\00:06:10.97
And of course, the famous verse,
00:06:11.00\00:06:12.33
that "You covered me
in my mother's womb."
00:06:12.37\00:06:13.70
In my mother's womb, yeah.
00:06:13.74\00:06:15.20
It's an amazing
reflection that I want to live
00:06:15.24\00:06:19.37
every moment to thank the
Lord for the chance to live.
00:06:19.41\00:06:22.84
I should have had missing
limbs, arms legs, fingers
00:06:22.88\00:06:25.75
and toes with those forceps
coming in and when that doctor
00:06:25.78\00:06:29.12
was pulling out all
that birth material,
00:06:29.15\00:06:30.82
there's no way that the doctors
00:06:30.85\00:06:32.45
could have known
she was still pregnant
00:06:32.49\00:06:33.86
because there was no
ultrasound in those days.
00:06:33.89\00:06:36.32
Sure.
00:06:36.36\00:06:37.69
And the doctor actually emailed
me a couple of years ago.
00:06:37.73\00:06:40.46
His name is Dr.
Richard Paul. He's retired now.
00:06:40.50\00:06:43.13
And he remembers my case.
00:06:43.16\00:06:45.63
He was
responsible for over 300, 000
00:06:45.67\00:06:48.30
baby deliveries in his career
00:06:48.34\00:06:50.14
as the chief of OB
at LA County Hospital.
00:06:50.17\00:06:53.34
He says, your
case remains unique.
00:06:53.38\00:06:55.91
And he remembers
collapsing in the exam chair
00:06:55.94\00:06:58.18
next to the exam
table when he heard
00:06:58.21\00:06:59.81
my heart beat
for the first time.
00:06:59.85\00:07:01.42
Powerful, powerful.
00:07:01.45\00:07:02.78
But praise God for life.
00:07:02.82\00:07:04.15
How old were you when you
were given the understanding
00:07:04.19\00:07:05.75
of your
circumstances of your birth?
00:07:05.79\00:07:08.02
I was probably, I didn't
understand it at the time,
00:07:08.06\00:07:11.13
seven, eight years old.
00:07:11.16\00:07:12.53
Yeah, you can't process
all that in, right, yeah.
00:07:12.56\00:07:14.36
But in my early
adulthood after college,
00:07:14.40\00:07:16.93
when I started on the
journey of looking, praying,
00:07:16.97\00:07:20.87
"God, what do
you want me to do?"
00:07:20.90\00:07:22.90
Got into the business world
00:07:22.94\00:07:24.47
and it was in the
large corporate setting,
00:07:24.51\00:07:26.07
small business settings,
00:07:26.11\00:07:27.44
running my own
business for a period of time.
00:07:27.48\00:07:29.74
And in this wilderness
of life and going through
00:07:29.78\00:07:34.18
some disappointment,
finding out that God even,
00:07:34.22\00:07:37.49
you know, He's more concerned,
00:07:37.52\00:07:39.59
just as concerned
with your broken heart,
00:07:39.62\00:07:42.69
your disappointment as
He is with life and matters.
00:07:42.72\00:07:45.66
And so He met me there as well.
00:07:45.69\00:07:47.53
And I think it
was in that context
00:07:47.56\00:07:49.16
of my early adulthood
when the story of my birth
00:07:49.20\00:07:52.30
actually started
to scream out loud.
00:07:52.33\00:07:54.74
You know, praise the Lord
00:07:54.77\00:07:56.10
with your life and
give Him everything.
00:07:56.14\00:07:58.07
Praise God.
00:07:58.11\00:07:59.44
I'm gonna tell another story
later about another promise
00:07:59.47\00:08:01.38
I made to God to save my life.
00:08:01.41\00:08:03.14
Excellent.
00:08:03.18\00:08:05.21
You touched on
it and a sensitivity
00:08:05.25\00:08:07.72
to the Lord at an early age.
00:08:07.75\00:08:09.48
So for me the
logical question is,
00:08:09.52\00:08:12.45
did you kind of play
it straight all through
00:08:12.49\00:08:14.22
or did you kind of have
wilderness years, you know,
00:08:14.26\00:08:16.39
did you and most
people do, many people do,
00:08:16.42\00:08:20.26
did you follow that
path or you kind of,
00:08:20.30\00:08:22.70
did you kind of stay
straight the whole time?
00:08:22.73\00:08:24.73
You know, I tell
people, I wouldn't say
00:08:24.77\00:08:27.37
that I have any kind of
dramatic Prodigal Son story.
00:08:27.40\00:08:30.37
But at the same time,
you know, the devil can seen
00:08:30.41\00:08:33.24
in the unseen
realms of the fourdimension
00:08:33.27\00:08:36.51
and he knows the once
who have a heart for God.
00:08:36.54\00:08:39.91
And so he's tried to
destroy me throughout my life
00:08:39.95\00:08:43.12
and did ultimately go through
a painful divorce at one point.
00:08:43.15\00:08:47.89
But God met me in that
place and He took something
00:08:47.92\00:08:50.99
that was broken and He made
something beautiful out of it.
00:08:51.03\00:08:54.16
And it was out of
that wilderness experience
00:08:54.20\00:08:57.43
that God lead me into media
production on full time basis.
00:08:57.47\00:09:02.17
It was a platform to help
00:09:02.20\00:09:03.64
to offer hope to hurting people.
00:09:03.67\00:09:05.94
And I'll share a few of
those projects that we worked
00:09:05.97\00:09:08.98
on to help, offer hope
to the people out there.
00:09:09.01\00:09:11.51
Now you are a West
Coast guy, California guy,
00:09:11.55\00:09:14.22
60 miles or so, east
of LA, was the media,
00:09:14.25\00:09:18.49
movie thing kind
of always in your DNA
00:09:18.52\00:09:20.56
or was that something
you developed later on life?
00:09:20.59\00:09:22.76
That's a good question, C.A.
00:09:22.79\00:09:24.13
I loved cameras from
the time I was a kid.
00:09:24.16\00:09:27.36
And I loved the Bible
even earlier than cameras.
00:09:27.40\00:09:32.83
And the stories of the
Bible were very vivid to me.
00:09:32.87\00:09:36.84
So yeah, I loved cameras.
00:09:36.87\00:09:39.01
I loved playing
with them every time.
00:09:39.04\00:09:41.74
And also the
fascination with production
00:09:41.78\00:09:44.25
and how it all fit together.
00:09:44.28\00:09:45.95
Stories, I loved stories.
00:09:45.98\00:09:48.52
There was a, one of our
films was showing on TV.
00:09:48.55\00:09:50.75
I got a call from my
aunt recently and she said,
00:09:50.79\00:09:53.76
"Hey, I started laughing
out loud when I saw your film."
00:09:53.79\00:09:57.43
I said, "Why is
that, Aunt Maureen?
00:09:57.46\00:09:59.23
She said, "Well,
because I remembered you
00:09:59.26\00:10:01.10
as a four year old.
00:10:01.13\00:10:02.46
You were the one that
walked around with a hair brush
00:10:02.50\00:10:04.07
trying to interview
everyone in the room."
00:10:04.10\00:10:07.17
You know, so God
apparently wired into my DNA.
00:10:07.20\00:10:11.37
For those who are watching,
who are wondering, you know,
00:10:11.41\00:10:14.24
what is your plan for me
Lord, what do you want me to do.
00:10:14.28\00:10:18.38
Really thinking and
praying over your childhood
00:10:18.41\00:10:20.52
and the things
you dreamed about,
00:10:20.62\00:10:21.95
the things that
you play, even games
00:10:21.98\00:10:23.32
that you play can be
very helpful in sensing
00:10:23.35\00:10:27.62
what it is that
Lord created you to do.
00:10:27.66\00:10:29.56
I, once said, look at the things
00:10:29.59\00:10:30.93
that come natural to you.
00:10:30.96\00:10:32.36
The things that
you are gifted for,
00:10:32.39\00:10:33.73
the things that you began
to do in your early years,
00:10:33.76\00:10:36.40
at the intersection of
natural talents and gifts
00:10:36.43\00:10:38.93
and your love for Christ,
that's where you ought to be.
00:10:38.97\00:10:41.97
That's where you are planted
and that's where you grow.
00:10:42.00\00:10:45.57
Having said that,
00:10:45.61\00:10:49.64
was media, well, let
me ask this question.
00:10:49.68\00:10:52.45
Was it always in
your mind to produce films
00:10:52.48\00:10:56.35
or just television,
because there was a time
00:10:56.38\00:11:00.92
when we as a church
say, stay away from media.
00:11:00.96\00:11:04.83
Stay out of that arena
'cause God's not there.
00:11:04.86\00:11:07.90
Was there
dissonance in your life
00:11:07.93\00:11:09.73
because you got
this natural bent?
00:11:09.76\00:11:11.57
Or could you see or
did the Lord give you
00:11:11.60\00:11:13.44
a vision that hey,
I can use this stuff
00:11:13.47\00:11:16.10
for the up
building of the kingdom?
00:11:16.14\00:11:17.51
Yeah.
00:11:17.54\00:11:18.87
I think I withheld
00:11:18.91\00:11:21.48
the out working
of this opportunity
00:11:21.51\00:11:23.88
for a period of
time until I could learn
00:11:23.91\00:11:27.22
some things in
life, particularly,
00:11:27.25\00:11:29.48
growing understanding,
a knowledge of His word
00:11:29.52\00:11:32.65
and a personal
experience with my Creator
00:11:32.69\00:11:36.02
that would
ground me to the point
00:11:36.06\00:11:38.29
that I would not be,
when you serve the Lord,
00:11:38.33\00:11:42.06
sometimes you work
on a shoestring budget
00:11:42.10\00:11:44.50
and you don't always have
a lot of financial support
00:11:44.53\00:11:48.50
from the world to do
what you are called to do.
00:11:48.54\00:11:50.77
And I think that
endurance, you know,
00:11:50.81\00:11:52.47
like Moses endured as
him who saw the invisible.
00:11:52.51\00:11:57.01
I needed to have
the personal context,
00:11:57.05\00:11:58.95
I think before the Lord
lead me into my ultimate desire.
00:11:58.98\00:12:02.32
Understood.
00:12:02.35\00:12:03.69
And to take the
love of the Bible
00:12:03.72\00:12:05.55
and take the love of media
and have this perfect storm
00:12:05.59\00:12:08.69
come together in a way
that God, it would honor God
00:12:08.72\00:12:12.16
as opposed to film my own
personal desires, you know.
00:12:12.19\00:12:15.26
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:15.30\00:12:16.63
Like the Psalms say,
you know, make the Lord,
00:12:16.67\00:12:18.83
the desire of your heart.
00:12:18.87\00:12:20.20
He will give you
every thing else.
00:12:20.24\00:12:21.57
Yeah, yeah.
00:12:21.60\00:12:22.94
I think that's crucial.
00:12:22.97\00:12:24.31
And I like what you said
because without that grounding,
00:12:24.34\00:12:27.18
you are in an arena
that can take you far afield.
00:12:27.21\00:12:30.11
You know,
there's money to be made
00:12:30.15\00:12:32.25
doing what you
do, away from God.
00:12:32.28\00:12:34.88
So one, you need the
grounding to stay focused
00:12:34.92\00:12:38.02
on your mission and
two, when offers come
00:12:38.05\00:12:44.29
and people see
your work and they say,
00:12:44.33\00:12:45.89
"Well, hey, here
some bucks do on this."
00:12:45.93\00:12:47.93
You can say, "No,
I'm going over here
00:12:47.96\00:12:49.50
'cause this is
where God is leading me."
00:12:49.53\00:12:50.87
Right.
00:12:50.90\00:12:52.23
So you need that
first before you begin
00:12:52.27\00:12:53.60
to build your super structure,
you need that foundation.
00:12:53.64\00:12:55.64
Obviously, you
waited till you got that
00:12:55.67\00:12:57.17
before you ventured out.
00:12:57.21\00:12:58.54
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:58.57\00:12:59.91
Yeah, and also the other
thing I would tell people
00:12:59.94\00:13:02.54
from my own experiences.
00:13:02.58\00:13:03.91
It's been fascinating
to see how everything
00:13:03.95\00:13:06.92
in my past business
career, nothing's been wasted.
00:13:06.95\00:13:10.59
In God's economy
nothing is wasted.
00:13:10.62\00:13:13.82
The business
career, the accounting,
00:13:13.86\00:13:15.86
the finance background,
the marketing skills,
00:13:15.89\00:13:18.56
all of those things,
ministries are also businesses.
00:13:18.59\00:13:21.60
And so many ministries start
00:13:21.63\00:13:23.47
without having a
structure in place.
00:13:23.50\00:13:25.00
Yes.
00:13:25.03\00:13:26.37
So I praise God that I
had a business background
00:13:26.40\00:13:28.60
and when God
lead me into ministry,
00:13:28.64\00:13:30.67
there was a certain structure
that took place with prayer.
00:13:30.71\00:13:33.44
Yeah.
00:13:33.48\00:13:34.81
And that's been a huge blessing.
00:13:34.84\00:13:37.11
Praise the Lord.
00:13:37.15\00:13:38.48
So the actual soup to nuts
00:13:38.51\00:13:39.95
technical
abilities of making films,
00:13:39.98\00:13:42.38
that's part of what God
gave me the experience in doing.
00:13:42.42\00:13:48.06
You asked me how did I
start, did I just dive right in
00:13:48.09\00:13:50.63
and do film or did
it start with television
00:13:50.66\00:13:52.79
and the quick answer
00:13:52.83\00:13:54.26
is the first
thing that I did was,
00:13:54.30\00:13:56.30
my local church invited
me to help start a talk show.
00:13:56.33\00:13:59.43
Very cool.
00:13:59.47\00:14:00.80
For young adults.
00:14:00.84\00:14:02.17
And it was called
00:14:02.20\00:14:03.54
"Hope on Fire"
several years ago.
00:14:03.57\00:14:04.91
Well, that show ended up
becoming, started on radio
00:14:04.94\00:14:08.14
and then became a TV talk
show for a period of years
00:14:08.18\00:14:11.38
and out of that
Lifestreams Media was born.
00:14:11.41\00:14:15.12
And the documentary production,
00:14:15.15\00:14:16.99
the film production was sort
of what God put on my heart.
00:14:17.02\00:14:20.39
And I'll share
about "Single Creek,"
00:14:20.42\00:14:21.76
our first film
when, I don't know
00:14:21.79\00:14:24.36
if we're gonna go to
a break but that's okay.
00:14:24.39\00:14:25.73
Yeah, we're gonna go to a song.
00:14:25.76\00:14:27.10
But before we do that I
want to ask you to define for me
00:14:27.13\00:14:29.86
what a short film is.
00:14:29.90\00:14:32.20
'Cause it doesn't
necessarily have to do
00:14:32.23\00:14:34.00
with the length of the film.
00:14:34.04\00:14:35.37
But define what a short is.
00:14:35.40\00:14:36.74
'Cause that's your
bell... that's what you do.
00:14:36.77\00:14:39.21
You do short films.
00:14:39.24\00:14:40.88
What is that?
00:14:40.91\00:14:42.48
Well, short films technically
are anything shorter than
00:14:42.51\00:14:45.15
45 minutes in a
film festival circuit.
00:14:45.18\00:14:49.12
The truth is our documentary
films are made for television,
00:14:49.15\00:14:53.42
53 minutes to
59 minute run time.
00:14:53.46\00:14:56.73
Some, that's sort of
in the no man's land,
00:14:56.76\00:14:58.93
the grey zone of
short versus feature film.
00:14:58.96\00:15:02.86
Technically a feature
film is 90 minutes plus.
00:15:02.90\00:15:05.87
But for documentary
format, anything longer than
00:15:05.90\00:15:09.27
45 minutes sometimes
is considered a "feature."
00:15:09.30\00:15:12.24
A feature, yeah, I know
00:15:12.27\00:15:14.18
there are some not
hard and fast rules
00:15:14.21\00:15:17.38
but there are some
general expectations
00:15:17.41\00:15:19.35
when you talk
about a short film.
00:15:19.38\00:15:22.18
Define for our
audience what a documentary is.
00:15:22.22\00:15:26.12
You know, these are
generally interviews
00:15:26.15\00:15:28.39
that are intended to do a
journalistic nature where,
00:15:28.42\00:15:34.46
almost everybody
start with an idea
00:15:34.50\00:15:36.67
and they want develop
to go an idea, find people
00:15:36.70\00:15:39.47
that are
knowledgeable in a field
00:15:39.50\00:15:41.37
or maybe somebody
has a personal story
00:15:41.40\00:15:43.64
that happened to
them and a documentary
00:15:43.67\00:15:46.24
and a producer wants
to go and interview them
00:15:46.27\00:15:47.98
and create a story or
film around their story.
00:15:48.01\00:15:51.41
I would say that
we've, our three films
00:15:51.45\00:15:54.32
that we've done so
far, kind of touch on both.
00:15:54.35\00:15:57.02
Some are issue
driven where you go
00:15:57.05\00:15:58.92
and interview people
that are experts in a field
00:15:58.95\00:16:01.52
and then you develop the
whole film around an issue.
00:16:01.56\00:16:04.99
Yeah.
00:16:05.03\00:16:06.36
To try to drive
social consciousness,
00:16:06.39\00:16:08.56
you try to impact your
culture based on the calling
00:16:08.60\00:16:12.83
and not everybody
has a lily white sense
00:16:12.87\00:16:16.27
of agenda, right, C.A.
00:16:16.30\00:16:17.64
Right, right, yeah.
00:16:17.67\00:16:19.01
I mean Hollywood has an agenda.
00:16:19.04\00:16:21.51
We, as
Christians have a calling.
00:16:21.54\00:16:23.18
We have a mission and
so yes, we have agenda.
00:16:23.21\00:16:25.25
Yes.
00:16:25.28\00:16:26.61
And so
therefore I'm unapologetic
00:16:26.65\00:16:28.42
that the documentaries
that we produce are intended
00:16:28.45\00:16:31.75
to create a context
through story telling,
00:16:31.79\00:16:36.39
whether it's an issue-driven
00:16:36.42\00:16:37.99
or whether it's
personal testimony
00:16:38.03\00:16:39.79
or somebody is
sharing their journey.
00:16:39.83\00:16:42.06
And I'll break that down around
issues versus personal story.
00:16:42.10\00:16:46.94
But like "Single
Creek," it's issue-driven.
00:16:46.97\00:16:49.94
It's a very awkward
sort of topic in the church
00:16:49.97\00:16:53.04
that's marriage
and family-centric.
00:16:53.07\00:16:54.78
And if you are 40 plus
and you've never been married,
00:16:54.81\00:16:58.11
something must be
wrong with you, C.A.
00:16:58.15\00:17:00.08
We got to fix you, right.
00:17:00.12\00:17:01.62
So that sort of an
issue-driven example.
00:17:01.65\00:17:04.22
What we're going
out there to produce.
00:17:04.25\00:17:07.06
Well said, well said.
00:17:07.09\00:17:08.42
I want to get into
because we're gonna talk about
00:17:08.46\00:17:10.33
your contact with the
late Roger Morneau's foundation
00:17:10.36\00:17:13.50
and some stuff that
has come out of that.
00:17:13.53\00:17:14.86
That is very exciting.
00:17:14.90\00:17:16.40
And some other
stuff that you're doing
00:17:16.43\00:17:17.77
that led up to that.
00:17:17.80\00:17:19.13
I think we'll
go to our music now
00:17:19.17\00:17:20.50
which comes to us
from Valerie Shelton Walker
00:17:20.54\00:17:22.84
and she's gonna be
singing, "My Tribute."
00:17:22.87\00:17:25.34
How can I say thanks
00:17:34.22\00:17:40.36
For the things
00:17:40.39\00:17:43.02
That You have done for me?
00:17:43.06\00:17:47.53
Things so undeserved
00:17:47.56\00:17:53.44
Yet you gave
00:17:53.47\00:17:56.04
To prove your love for me
00:17:56.07\00:18:00.14
The voices of a million angels
00:18:00.18\00:18:05.81
Could not express my gratitude
00:18:05.85\00:18:12.55
All that I am,
and ever hope to be
00:18:12.59\00:18:17.79
I owe it all to thee
00:18:20.90\00:18:26.43
To God be the glory
00:18:26.47\00:18:33.11
To God be the glory
00:18:33.14\00:18:40.82
To God be the glory
00:18:40.85\00:18:46.22
For the things he has done
00:18:46.25\00:18:52.69
With His blood He has saved me
00:18:52.73\00:18:59.27
With His power He has raised me
00:18:59.30\00:19:06.68
To God be the glory
00:19:06.71\00:19:12.55
For the things he has done
00:19:12.58\00:19:18.32
Just let me live my life
00:19:18.35\00:19:25.16
Let it be pleasing Lord to thee
00:19:25.19\00:19:31.37
And should I gain any praise,
00:19:31.40\00:19:37.57
let it go to Calvary
00:19:37.61\00:19:44.91
Calvary
00:19:44.95\00:19:48.08
With His blood He has saved me
00:19:48.12\00:19:55.26
With His power He has raised me
00:19:55.29\00:20:02.96
To God be the glory
00:20:03.00\00:20:08.40
For the things
00:20:08.44\00:20:12.47
For the things
00:20:13.78\00:20:17.48
For the things
00:20:20.38\00:20:24.42
That He has done He has done
00:20:24.45\00:20:31.79
He has done
00:20:31.83\00:20:37.00
Amen, and thank you,
Valerie Shelton Walker.
00:20:42.80\00:20:45.57
Well done. My
guest is Chris Lang.
00:20:45.61\00:20:48.01
He of Lifestream
Media, a film maker,
00:20:48.04\00:20:50.71
a documentary film maker.
00:20:50.75\00:20:52.28
We touched on
Chris a little bit about
00:20:52.31\00:20:55.22
"Single Creek and
"When Morning Breaks us,"
00:20:55.25\00:20:57.62
sort of came out of a
pretty dark time in your life.
00:20:57.65\00:21:00.32
But God used those
for good to be the,
00:21:00.36\00:21:03.22
the sort of muse for
these two particular films.
00:21:03.26\00:21:07.03
Give me just a quick run down
00:21:07.06\00:21:08.86
on those
particular works if you would.
00:21:08.90\00:21:10.90
Absolutely, C.A.
00:21:10.93\00:21:13.40
"Single Creek
actually was our first film.
00:21:13.44\00:21:16.20
And in many
respects, it's gonna always be
00:21:16.24\00:21:19.14
special to me
because it really created
00:21:19.17\00:21:21.41
a platform to offer hope
00:21:21.44\00:21:23.48
to single adults
that are out there.
00:21:23.51\00:21:24.91
You know, US census status tells
00:21:24.95\00:21:27.32
that a 100 million single adults
00:21:27.35\00:21:29.65
now represent half
of all US households.
00:21:29.68\00:21:33.32
And that's the, never married,
the divorced, the widow,
00:21:33.36\00:21:37.59
the single parent,
the person struggling
00:21:37.63\00:21:41.06
with same sex attraction
00:21:41.10\00:21:42.43
who's living a life
of celibacy, you know.
00:21:42.46\00:21:44.83
There's a voice out there
through this film for those
00:21:44.87\00:21:47.77
single adults challenging
church to see singles
00:21:47.80\00:21:50.97
differently and to
challenge singles to live a life
00:21:51.01\00:21:54.58
full of faith through
the talents for Christ.
00:21:54.61\00:21:57.28
Praise God.
00:21:57.31\00:21:58.65
So it also surprises
married people by the way.
00:21:58.68\00:22:01.45
'Cause it reminds all of us
00:22:01.48\00:22:02.92
that our
completion in our lives comes
00:22:02.95\00:22:05.25
from one source and
it's not our spouse.
00:22:05.29\00:22:06.86
Amen, amen.
00:22:06.89\00:22:08.22
Colossians 2: 10 says
that, "You are complete in Him."
00:22:08.26\00:22:10.96
Praise God. Well said.
00:22:10.99\00:22:12.33
So that's "Single Creek."
00:22:12.36\00:22:13.70
"When Morning
Breaks," many people feel like
00:22:13.73\00:22:15.83
it's an extension or
follow up film to "Single Creek"
00:22:15.86\00:22:20.00
because Christian church
is not only marriage-centric
00:22:20.04\00:22:23.54
but also family-centric.
00:22:23.57\00:22:26.04
And for those couples
that are out there watching
00:22:26.07\00:22:28.34
who haven't been
able to have children,
00:22:28.38\00:22:29.88
they might feel
marginalized sometimes.
00:22:29.91\00:22:32.28
Those who had miscarriages,
they might feel like
00:22:32.31\00:22:34.82
God can't trust
them to be parents.
00:22:34.85\00:22:36.82
And of course,
the abortion issue.
00:22:36.85\00:22:39.59
For women who had a,
post abortive women feel
00:22:39.62\00:22:43.43
like they
didn't have any choice.
00:22:43.46\00:22:44.96
And so where are the safe
places in churches for them
00:22:44.99\00:22:49.03
to talk about such things?
00:22:49.06\00:22:50.77
So "When Morning Breaks"
is really a film about hope.
00:22:50.80\00:22:53.23
It's, you know, people
say, well, it's got miscarriage
00:22:53.27\00:22:56.37
and abortion story shared in it.
00:22:56.40\00:22:58.41
But you know,
C.A., one of the things
00:22:58.44\00:23:00.24
that I've learnt is that,
the long term emotional impact
00:23:00.28\00:23:03.65
of either kind
of pregnancy loss,
00:23:03.68\00:23:05.91
regardless of the
cause can be long term
00:23:05.95\00:23:08.52
and it can
often be very similar.
00:23:08.55\00:23:10.39
Sure.
00:23:10.42\00:23:11.75
But in the
context for all of us,
00:23:11.79\00:23:13.56
we can see in a
lens through stories
00:23:13.59\00:23:16.36
that we all need healing
and we all need a Savior.
00:23:16.39\00:23:19.59
So these have been our
first two documentaries,
00:23:19.63\00:23:22.56
really social issue-driven
but also hoping create
00:23:22.60\00:23:26.23
conversation in the church.
00:23:26.27\00:23:27.60
Yeah, praise the Lord.
00:23:27.64\00:23:28.97
Now are these still available?
00:23:29.00\00:23:30.34
They are available
on digital platforms
00:23:30.37\00:23:32.91
like Amazon
prime and Google Play
00:23:32.94\00:23:35.04
and also on our
ministry website as well.
00:23:35.08\00:23:37.88
Okay, so we can get the stuff.
00:23:37.91\00:23:39.25
And we'll put that
information up later.
00:23:39.28\00:23:40.62
What I got to ask you now,
00:23:40.65\00:23:41.98
because you got
to go hustle along.
00:23:42.02\00:23:43.35
Yeah.
00:23:43.39\00:23:44.72
Your road to film
making was not a direct road.
00:23:44.75\00:23:47.76
You've done a lot of stuff
00:23:47.79\00:23:49.76
which actually
kind of prepared you
00:23:49.79\00:23:51.23
for the ministry
that you now carry on.
00:23:51.26\00:23:53.50
May God has taken
you through some things.
00:23:53.53\00:23:55.60
Did you go to school
for your film making?
00:23:55.63\00:23:57.63
Did you pick at that
skill up along the way
00:23:57.67\00:23:59.80
with all of the
other things you're doing.
00:23:59.83\00:24:01.34
'Cause your
resume is pretty broad.
00:24:01.37\00:24:03.24
Yeah, that's right, C.A.
00:24:03.27\00:24:05.14
Actually it was in
the field learning.
00:24:05.17\00:24:08.48
I didn't actually go to
school for film production.
00:24:08.51\00:24:10.98
You know, when you love,
when you sense a great story,
00:24:11.01\00:24:14.45
when you feel that, when
you feel that conviction,
00:24:14.48\00:24:17.02
it's really learning
those technical tools, you know,
00:24:17.05\00:24:20.12
the shooting, the
editing, the color correction,
00:24:20.16\00:24:22.89
the audit, the music and
making sure you understand
00:24:22.92\00:24:26.09
how it all fits together.
00:24:26.13\00:24:27.53
And we God's blessing,
00:24:27.56\00:24:29.20
these films are
being shown worldwide.
00:24:29.23\00:24:31.53
Praise God.
00:24:31.57\00:24:32.90
And so thankful
for the opportunity
00:24:32.93\00:24:34.97
to tell these stories.
00:24:35.00\00:24:36.34
But you know, I'm not just
telling other people's stories
00:24:36.37\00:24:38.94
and that's the wonderful
context when you remember
00:24:38.97\00:24:41.74
that God saved your life too,
00:24:41.78\00:24:44.38
to become this sort of
out growth of story telling.
00:24:44.41\00:24:48.08
So all of this is
filtered through that.
00:24:48.12\00:24:51.32
Our friend that says, you know,
00:24:51.35\00:24:52.69
"If you got the fastball,
00:24:52.72\00:24:54.06
we can teach you
the other things."
00:24:54.09\00:24:55.42
you know, so you got to
have the basic understanding
00:24:55.46\00:24:57.46
of what a story is
and how to tell it.
00:24:57.49\00:24:59.53
The technical
stuff, you can pick up
00:24:59.56\00:25:01.93
but if you got the fastball
I can teach you to curve
00:25:01.96\00:25:03.83
in a slider 'cause
you got have the fastball.
00:25:03.87\00:25:05.63
So obviously,
you had the fastball.
00:25:05.67\00:25:07.34
And the other things
you picked up along the way
00:25:07.37\00:25:09.60
and God prepared you
and took all of that,
00:25:09.64\00:25:11.77
put it in a pot
and out came ministry
00:25:11.81\00:25:14.08
which we praise the Lord for.
00:25:14.11\00:25:15.44
Talk about this last one,
00:25:15.48\00:25:16.81
the latest and
greatest they would say.
00:25:16.85\00:25:18.18
Yeah, this project is
called "About Miracles"
00:25:18.21\00:25:20.55
and it was such a
joy to put together.
00:25:20.58\00:25:23.85
We have a short
trailer that we want to show
00:25:23.89\00:25:27.19
to give a context for
what this story present.
00:25:27.22\00:25:30.39
All right, let's watch it.
00:25:30.43\00:25:31.76
What if you were robbed at
work and then shot in the head?
00:25:35.90\00:25:39.63
Or what if a blood
vessel in your brain
00:25:44.37\00:25:46.57
was about to rupture
and you didn't know it?
00:25:46.61\00:25:49.51
What if you had to
earn thousands of dollars
00:25:52.15\00:25:54.38
in one week for a mission trip?
00:25:54.42\00:25:59.55
Or what if you were going blind
00:25:59.59\00:26:01.39
and prayed for
healing that never came?
00:26:01.42\00:26:04.03
Sometimes you need a miracle
00:26:05.86\00:26:08.90
and sometimes the only
logical explanation is God.
00:26:08.93\00:26:13.80
Love it. See
I'm in line already.
00:26:22.84\00:26:26.21
I'm there to watch it.
00:26:26.25\00:26:27.58
Walk me through a
little of what we're gonna see
00:26:27.62\00:26:29.48
when we buy that DVD.
00:26:29.52\00:26:31.32
Well, there are four stories,
00:26:31.35\00:26:32.69
as you saw really
quickly in that trailer.
00:26:32.72\00:26:35.02
The first story is
about a man who was working
00:26:35.06\00:26:37.59
in a convenient store
and he was robbed and shot
00:26:37.63\00:26:39.69
in the head at point
blank range and left for dead.
00:26:39.73\00:26:44.47
It was amazing, the
little clip you saw there
00:26:44.50\00:26:46.23
in the trailer, God
actually opened the door for us
00:26:46.27\00:26:49.04
to re-enact that
scene in the very store
00:26:49.07\00:26:53.07
where he was attacked.
00:26:53.11\00:26:54.44
We also got security
camera footage and interviewed
00:26:54.48\00:26:59.31
the surgeon
that operated on him,
00:26:59.35\00:27:01.62
the very night he was shot.
00:27:01.65\00:27:03.15
Three feet from his
head with a 45 caliber pistol
00:27:03.18\00:27:06.62
went through his
ear and ducked down
00:27:06.65\00:27:08.72
and broke his mandible
went spun through his neck
00:27:08.76\00:27:11.89
and you have jugular
and carotid arteries.
00:27:11.93\00:27:14.50
You have oesophagus,
you have your spinal column,
00:27:14.53\00:27:17.03
missed all of that.
00:27:17.07\00:27:18.40
And you saw the
scar in the trailer.
00:27:18.43\00:27:19.93
It's just a scar.
00:27:19.97\00:27:21.30
It's a batch
for this man, Brian.
00:27:21.34\00:27:23.41
He gets to tell his miracle
story every where he goes.
00:27:23.44\00:27:26.37
Yeah. No neurologic deficit.
00:27:26.41\00:27:28.58
92% of people who are
shot in the head will die.
00:27:28.61\00:27:31.85
Yeah. Wow.
00:27:31.88\00:27:33.21
So the second story that you
saw in the trailer is a women
00:27:33.25\00:27:35.48
who had an a brain aneurysm
and what's fascinating about
00:27:35.52\00:27:39.32
her story, C.A., is
that God spoke to her
00:27:39.35\00:27:42.06
when she was on
the phone one night
00:27:42.09\00:27:43.79
and told her to go
to the emergency room
00:27:43.83\00:27:45.53
when she had no
physical symptoms at all.
00:27:45.56\00:27:47.50
Wow.
00:27:47.53\00:27:48.86
She obeyed and because
she obeyed her life was saved.
00:27:48.90\00:27:52.23
And that's amazing story.
00:27:52.27\00:27:54.07
The third story is a
girl who want go got to China
00:27:54.10\00:27:57.01
on a mission trip and
she didn't have the money.
00:27:57.04\00:27:59.34
So she was call
porter and she had to sell
00:27:59.37\00:28:01.81
an exact number of
books on four days time
00:28:01.84\00:28:04.71
to earn the thousands of
dollars to go on that trip
00:28:04.75\00:28:07.08
and it was a really fun
short story doing that film.
00:28:07.12\00:28:09.68
Yeah.
00:28:09.72\00:28:11.05
God cares more
about all of these kinds
00:28:11.09\00:28:14.12
of temporal concerns
and this really illustrates
00:28:14.16\00:28:17.69
how passionate and wonderful
our Lord is to intercede
00:28:17.73\00:28:21.43
in even such a simple
thing that's not life and death.
00:28:21.46\00:28:23.83
Yeah. Last story, Neville Peter.
00:28:23.87\00:28:26.33
Many of our
viewers know who he is.
00:28:26.37\00:28:28.17
He's a songwriter.
Been here many times.
00:28:28.20\00:28:29.70
Wonderful man of God.
00:28:29.74\00:28:31.91
Heard him talking one day,
00:28:31.94\00:28:33.27
I was looking
for my fourth story
00:28:33.31\00:28:34.78
and I heard the Holy Spirit
whisper to me, talk to Neville.
00:28:34.81\00:28:39.51
He's a miracle too.
00:28:39.55\00:28:41.35
And it didn't dawn on me
until after I interviewed him
00:28:41.38\00:28:44.29
what the Lord was trying to say
00:28:44.32\00:28:46.32
through a blind man's testimony.
00:28:46.35\00:28:48.29
And I understood
that God wants the world
00:28:48.32\00:28:51.59
through this film to see
that the greatest miracle of all
00:28:51.63\00:28:55.70
is the miracle of
a transformed heart.
00:28:55.73\00:28:57.47
Praise God.
00:28:57.50\00:28:58.83
Neville, you see, Neville
doesn't have some pulled up
00:28:58.87\00:29:02.70
by the bootstraps "positivity,"
00:29:02.74\00:29:05.51
get self-help book mentality.
00:29:05.54\00:29:08.54
He believes in His Creator
that has a transformative
00:29:08.58\00:29:11.71
impact in his life
and it really shows.
00:29:11.75\00:29:13.55
Yeah, it does.
00:29:13.58\00:29:14.92
It does, comes
across in all that he does.
00:29:14.95\00:29:16.32
So that's a little snippet of...
00:29:16.35\00:29:18.65
Let me ask you this question.
00:29:18.69\00:29:20.02
How do you get your stories,
that people bring you stuff,
00:29:20.06\00:29:22.26
do you go out
looking for things,
00:29:22.29\00:29:23.66
do ideas brought to
you, things pitched to you,
00:29:23.69\00:29:26.93
how do you get your material?
00:29:26.96\00:29:28.83
All of the above, brother.
00:29:28.86\00:29:31.00
Yeah, emails, phone calls
00:29:31.03\00:29:32.97
and sometimes like in this case,
00:29:33.00\00:29:35.30
as I say, the
Lord is my witness,
00:29:35.34\00:29:37.07
I heard the Holy Spirit
say to me, talk to Neville.
00:29:37.11\00:29:39.94
He's a miracle too.
00:29:39.97\00:29:41.31
So even the Lord
has lead directly
00:29:41.34\00:29:43.41
to some of these stories.
00:29:43.45\00:29:45.11
Yeah. How very, very exciting.
00:29:45.15\00:29:49.42
The latest venture of
yours, talk to us about
00:29:49.45\00:29:54.26
how you came into contact
00:29:54.29\00:29:55.92
with the Roger Morneau's estate.
00:29:55.96\00:29:57.46
I have happened to
have read I think everything
00:29:57.49\00:29:59.69
that has been written
about him and all of his works.
00:29:59.73\00:30:02.56
So when I heard that
you were working with that,
00:30:02.60\00:30:04.67
it peaked my interest.
00:30:04.70\00:30:06.03
But walk us through that time
00:30:06.07\00:30:07.40
and what is coming
out of that context.
00:30:07.44\00:30:08.80
Sure.
00:30:08.84\00:30:11.11
Recently I have
read all of Roger's books
00:30:11.14\00:30:13.78
and I was impressed, C.A.
00:30:13.81\00:30:15.24
that I had never seen
a dramatic presentation
00:30:15.28\00:30:18.81
of his conversion story, 1946.
00:30:18.85\00:30:21.35
I mean, anyone who's
heard about Roger Morneau
00:30:21.38\00:30:23.99
would not
disagree that it must be
00:30:24.02\00:30:25.75
one of the greatest conversion
stories of the 20th century.
00:30:25.79\00:30:28.52
For those who
haven't, give us some culture,
00:30:28.56\00:30:30.96
some background,
some context for Roger.
00:30:30.99\00:30:32.76
As a young lad,
Roger could not harmonize
00:30:32.79\00:30:35.23
the teachings of his church.
00:30:35.26\00:30:36.60
He grew up Catholic,
with those of the viable.
00:30:36.63\00:30:38.93
He came to believe
that God was a tyrant.
00:30:38.97\00:30:41.57
And he turned his back on
God and religion completely.
00:30:41.60\00:30:44.74
Later he was invited
into a secret society
00:30:44.77\00:30:47.24
that promised
him wealth and power.
00:30:47.28\00:30:48.68
Yes.
00:30:48.71\00:30:50.05
But even though he was
charmed by spirits and teachers,
00:30:50.08\00:30:52.81
he never felt peace or joy.
00:30:52.85\00:30:54.88
He found out first
hand that demons are real.
00:30:54.92\00:30:58.05
Oh, yes.
00:30:58.09\00:30:59.42
And that their work
is based on deception.
00:30:59.45\00:31:02.96
He's been pressured
by the satanic priest
00:31:02.99\00:31:05.09
in that group to join to be
initiated on Halloween 1946.
00:31:05.13\00:31:10.17
One night he's laying in bed.
00:31:10.20\00:31:11.73
By the way, his parents
have warned him not to play
00:31:11.77\00:31:13.64
with evil and that someday
you're gonna pay the price.
00:31:13.67\00:31:16.34
Yeah.
00:31:16.37\00:31:17.87
And he also knew that
no one had ever gotten
00:31:17.91\00:31:19.64
out of that
secret society alive.
00:31:19.67\00:31:22.24
So there he is at
night. He can't sleep at 3 a.m.
00:31:22.28\00:31:24.88
He's staring up at
the ceiling and he hates,
00:31:24.91\00:31:28.12
remember he hates God.
00:31:28.15\00:31:29.48
He's turned his back
on God but he shouts up
00:31:29.52\00:31:31.35
to the ceiling, "If
there is a God in heaven
00:31:31.39\00:31:33.96
that cares for me, help me."
00:31:33.99\00:31:37.99
Several days
later, he met Cyril Grosse
00:31:38.03\00:31:40.83
at the embroidery
factory where he worked.
00:31:40.86\00:31:43.10
And he soon
learned during that day
00:31:43.13\00:31:44.90
that Cyril was a
pretty religious man.
00:31:44.93\00:31:47.30
And he came to find out
00:31:47.34\00:31:48.67
that Cyril kept
the Bible Sabbath.
00:31:48.70\00:31:50.74
And so that very night
he asked if he could study
00:31:50.77\00:31:52.97
the Bible with Cyril
and his wife Cynthia.
00:31:53.01\00:31:55.44
And within seven days they
had covered 28 Bible studies.
00:31:55.48\00:31:58.58
Wow.
00:31:58.61\00:31:59.95
And he gave his
heart to the Lord
00:31:59.98\00:32:01.32
instead of that very week
selling his soul to the devil
00:32:01.35\00:32:04.29
which is what he
was supposed to do.
00:32:04.32\00:32:05.69
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:05.72\00:32:07.06
Because Roger was not a toad
in the water kind of Satan is.
00:32:07.09\00:32:09.86
He dove in, hook
lines, ain't got whatever
00:32:09.89\00:32:12.53
better for you, you want to use.
00:32:12.56\00:32:13.90
He was deep
into that was enough.
00:32:13.93\00:32:15.66
Exactly.
00:32:15.70\00:32:17.07
And you know, but knew his heart
00:32:17.10\00:32:19.17
and God knows that
viewers that are out there,
00:32:19.20\00:32:21.54
people who have not grown
up with the clear understanding
00:32:21.57\00:32:26.37
of the heart of God
and truth of His word.
00:32:26.41\00:32:29.31
He knows the people
that have been deceived.
00:32:29.34\00:32:31.28
And He knew that
about Roger. Yes.
00:32:31.31\00:32:33.01
You see, I
believe that this story
00:32:33.05\00:32:35.22
is so timely for today, C.A.
00:32:35.25\00:32:37.35
Because many of the people
who are leaving Christianity
00:32:37.39\00:32:40.66
and going to the none
of the above category.
00:32:40.69\00:32:43.09
They are not going
to Buddhism and others.
00:32:43.12\00:32:44.53
They are going to the
none of the above categories.
00:32:44.56\00:32:45.96
Correct. Yes.
00:32:45.99\00:32:47.33
Because
religion has failed them.
00:32:47.36\00:32:48.83
Well, it failed Roger too.
00:32:48.86\00:32:50.83
And if people
could hear and understand
00:32:50.87\00:32:53.23
how the Creator God
reached down into the darkness
00:32:53.27\00:32:56.27
to save this man's
life when he hated God.
00:32:56.30\00:32:59.01
But God understood
that he was deceived.
00:32:59.04\00:33:01.98
And so that's what's so
fascinating about this story.
00:33:02.01\00:33:04.51
The opportunity to
now, we actually signed
00:33:04.55\00:33:08.25
a development
agreement with Roger's estate.
00:33:08.28\00:33:10.62
Roger passed away in 1998.
00:33:10.65\00:33:12.19
Oh, yes.
00:33:12.22\00:33:13.56
And our original idea was
to develop a feature film.
00:33:13.59\00:33:17.99
And as we were the unpublished
manuscript of his first book,
00:33:18.03\00:33:21.66
A trip into the
Supernatural, we found out that
00:33:21.70\00:33:24.97
there was so
much more of his story
00:33:25.00\00:33:26.50
that had never been published.
00:33:26.53\00:33:27.87
Aha.
00:33:27.90\00:33:29.24
And so by God's
grace we were convicted
00:33:29.27\00:33:31.91
that the world
should see the whole story.
00:33:31.94\00:33:36.24
And so this book
actually came out recently
00:33:36.28\00:33:41.42
that includes
the full manuscript,
00:33:41.45\00:33:43.25
the full story of
his conversion in 1946.
00:33:43.28\00:33:47.22
And not only his childhood
00:33:47.26\00:33:49.12
and his World War II experience,
00:33:49.16\00:33:50.93
but also some incredible
ways that God taught him
00:33:50.96\00:33:54.00
to pray after he gave
his heart to the Lord.
00:33:54.03\00:33:56.06
Mmm.
00:33:56.10\00:33:57.93
My question to
you as a film maker,
00:33:57.97\00:34:00.04
you read this massive
material on this very complex
00:34:00.07\00:34:03.77
and layered life.
00:34:03.81\00:34:05.84
How do you then
digest that into something
00:34:05.87\00:34:09.04
that we can watch
that tells the story, yet,
00:34:09.08\00:34:11.48
is not incredibly long,
that holds our interest?
00:34:11.51\00:34:13.88
How do you begin to
attack that to make it
00:34:13.92\00:34:16.25
something that we want to see.
00:34:16.28\00:34:17.89
Yeah.
00:34:17.92\00:34:19.95
There's a 1000 different ways
00:34:19.99\00:34:21.32
a story can be
told, right, C.A.?
00:34:21.36\00:34:22.89
Uh, huh.
00:34:22.92\00:34:24.99
The feature film originally
was designed to be focused
00:34:25.03\00:34:29.50
on primarily his
childhood experiences,
00:34:29.53\00:34:32.67
the ways that he was informed
in his Catholic upbringing
00:34:32.70\00:34:36.91
and then the way
his twig was bent.
00:34:36.94\00:34:38.47
You see, his mother died
when he was 12 years old.
00:34:38.51\00:34:40.34
Yes.
00:34:40.38\00:34:41.71
And that was the straw
00:34:41.74\00:34:43.08
that broke the
camel's back for Roger.
00:34:43.11\00:34:45.18
So our focus was really going
to be on the secret society
00:34:45.21\00:34:49.15
and on how he was
delivered by the Lord.
00:34:49.18\00:34:51.99
See there was a confrontation
00:34:52.02\00:34:53.49
with the high
ranking spirit one night.
00:34:53.52\00:34:55.99
On the week when he
was studying the Bible,
00:34:56.02\00:34:58.19
a spirit confronted him
in his bedroom one night.
00:34:58.23\00:35:01.46
And this is really
the climax of the movie.
00:35:01.50\00:35:03.67
In my heart, I could, I sense
that the Lord wanted to show
00:35:03.70\00:35:07.74
that doesn't,
you know, Jesus said,
00:35:07.77\00:35:09.67
"On this rock I
will build my church."
00:35:09.70\00:35:11.74
Matthew chapter 16.
00:35:11.77\00:35:13.44
"And the gate of hell
will not prevail against it."
00:35:13.48\00:35:16.64
Wow. Right.
00:35:16.68\00:35:18.01
So even if the devil himself
comes to a new child of God
00:35:18.05\00:35:21.58
and tries to shout and
that's what was happening
00:35:21.62\00:35:24.75
that night in Roger's bedroom.
00:35:24.79\00:35:27.09
And in the name of Jesus, Roger,
00:35:27.12\00:35:29.59
told that spirit to
leave in the name of Jesus.
00:35:29.62\00:35:32.66
And that spirit left and slammed
00:35:32.69\00:35:34.83
the balcony door open so hard,
00:35:34.86\00:35:37.07
it just about put a
hole in the plastered wall.
00:35:37.10\00:35:39.47
So when you asked me
how do you tell the story
00:35:39.50\00:35:41.94
so that people would care.
00:35:41.97\00:35:43.30
Well, first, you have to
tel the story that makes,
00:35:43.34\00:35:45.27
it can't just be
an information dump.
00:35:45.31\00:35:47.61
People aren't
gonna be interested
00:35:47.64\00:35:49.28
if you're information dumping
and trying to "preach" at them.
00:35:49.31\00:35:51.41
Yeah.
00:35:51.45\00:35:52.78
You have to
engage them at the point
00:35:52.81\00:35:54.42
where they're gonna care about
this character, Roger Morneau.
00:35:54.45\00:35:57.75
So developing empathy as
you go along in your story
00:35:57.79\00:36:01.66
in the script and then
building up to a climax,
00:36:01.69\00:36:05.39
there's a certain structure
00:36:05.43\00:36:06.76
that typically a
film should follow.
00:36:06.80\00:36:08.50
Yes.
00:36:08.53\00:36:09.86
In order to actually
bring people on a journey.
00:36:09.90\00:36:13.03
People have to want to
care about someone first.
00:36:13.07\00:36:15.04
And secondly, is, what is it
that that person cares about?
00:36:15.07\00:36:18.57
It has to be universal concern.
00:36:18.61\00:36:20.54
Understood.
00:36:20.58\00:36:21.91
And so in the
story you have to build
00:36:21.94\00:36:23.75
what is that universal thing
that your character is seeking.
00:36:23.78\00:36:26.92
And throughout the story
there has to be a thread.
00:36:26.95\00:36:28.65
Yeah.
00:36:28.68\00:36:30.02
So that's ultimately
what we're working on.
00:36:30.05\00:36:32.59
We don't have the
script finished yet.
00:36:32.62\00:36:34.59
And we, and that's part
of what we are praying about.
00:36:34.62\00:36:37.46
So we have the book,
the documentary interviews.
00:36:37.49\00:36:41.20
Well, actually it's a
three-part project, C.A.
00:36:41.23\00:36:43.37
It's the book,
it's a documentary
00:36:43.40\00:36:45.47
that features
interviews with family, friends
00:36:45.50\00:36:47.67
and former
members of the occult.
00:36:47.70\00:36:49.30
And there's featured film. Wow.
00:36:49.34\00:36:50.94
And so each of them
are their own pieces.
00:36:50.97\00:36:53.51
And the script
for the feature film
00:36:53.54\00:36:55.68
is what we're
still praying about.
00:36:55.71\00:36:57.15
It's gonna be an
expensive project.
00:36:57.18\00:36:59.78
But, you know,
you said something.
00:36:59.81\00:37:01.58
The theatre today is
the post-modern church.
00:37:01.62\00:37:05.79
People are increasingly
going there to find their truth.
00:37:05.82\00:37:09.32
And this story, by God's
grace, we want to present,
00:37:09.36\00:37:13.40
we want to help
people to understand
00:37:13.43\00:37:14.76
why truth matters today.
00:37:14.80\00:37:16.56
And that the great
controversy is real.
00:37:16.60\00:37:18.80
Yes, yes.
00:37:18.83\00:37:20.17
I'll give you an example.
00:37:20.20\00:37:21.54
There's a certain
sound to this story, C.A.
00:37:21.57\00:37:23.51
I was in a big city
and I was looking forward
00:37:23.54\00:37:27.94
to see if you could
their trolley system
00:37:27.98\00:37:30.05
as a exterior
shots for our film.
00:37:30.08\00:37:32.45
Sure.
00:37:32.48\00:37:33.82
So I met with
the transit authority
00:37:33.85\00:37:35.18
and they brought
me into their office.
00:37:35.22\00:37:36.89
I'm sitting there talking
to these powerful people.
00:37:36.92\00:37:39.55
And I'm a nobody.
I'm not from Hollywood.
00:37:39.59\00:37:42.29
But they're
treating me, you know,
00:37:42.32\00:37:43.66
with respect and they
said, "Listen, we do this a lot.
00:37:43.69\00:37:48.20
We rent our subways our buses,
00:37:48.23\00:37:50.57
our trolleys to Hollywood
producers all the time.
00:37:50.60\00:37:53.10
But we don't always
agree because sometimes
00:37:53.13\00:37:55.37
it could create a
bad image for our city."
00:37:55.40\00:37:57.67
So she leans forward
under chair and she asks me,
00:37:57.71\00:38:00.54
"What's your movie about?"
00:38:00.58\00:38:03.11
Now when you don't know
somebody's real view, C.A.
00:38:03.14\00:38:05.81
Right.
00:38:05.85\00:38:07.18
You don't know if
they're Christian,
00:38:07.22\00:38:08.55
a Muslim or agnostic.
00:38:08.58\00:38:09.92
Yeah, you don't want
to lay it on too thick,
00:38:09.95\00:38:11.29
you don't want to, you know,
pour honey on them but, yeah.
00:38:11.32\00:38:12.89
So it was a Nehemiah thing.
00:38:12.92\00:38:14.32
You know, I said, I prayed
to the Lord and I said to her,
00:38:14.36\00:38:17.29
"It's a story
about Roger Morneau,
00:38:17.33\00:38:19.46
former demon worshipper,
who became a Christian author
00:38:19.49\00:38:21.96
and prayer warrior.
00:38:22.00\00:38:23.33
It happened in 1946
and that's the reason
00:38:23.37\00:38:26.63
why we want to lease your
trolleys for exterior shots."
00:38:26.67\00:38:29.74
Because their trolleys actually
were manufactured in 1947.
00:38:29.77\00:38:34.64
Wow.
00:38:34.68\00:38:36.01
And they are operational
out on the street in that city.
00:38:36.04\00:38:37.38
Incredible. Good story.
00:38:37.41\00:38:38.75
Really amazing. Yeah.
00:38:38.78\00:38:40.12
So, I said to her, I said,
"You know, this story is true."
00:38:40.15\00:38:43.08
And I said, I'm going to
interview the very people
00:38:43.12\00:38:45.39
who study the
Bible with him in 1946.
00:38:45.42\00:38:47.56
They are almost 90 years old."
00:38:47.59\00:38:49.39
And I said, "Those people
were almost killed by spirits.
00:38:49.42\00:38:52.43
They were witnesses."
00:38:52.46\00:38:53.80
Yeah.
00:38:53.83\00:38:55.16
"There is a battle going
00:38:55.20\00:38:56.53
on over every
personal life today."
00:38:56.56\00:38:58.67
See how I never forget
how bigger her eyes were.
00:38:58.70\00:39:01.50
She was leaning
forward under chair.
00:39:01.54\00:39:03.24
She grabbed her
file of paper work
00:39:03.27\00:39:05.47
and she started going over.
00:39:05.51\00:39:06.84
She said, "That
sounds fine to me."
00:39:06.88\00:39:08.81
And she started
going through the pricing
00:39:08.84\00:39:10.65
and the contract and everything.
00:39:10.68\00:39:12.58
She gave me her card.
00:39:12.61\00:39:13.95
She says, "Call
me, this sounds great.
00:39:13.98\00:39:16.12
We want to see the
script when it's done."
00:39:16.15\00:39:18.19
You know, we planted, the
Lord planted a seed there.
00:39:18.22\00:39:21.16
And I also ran into a president
in that same city of a company
00:39:21.19\00:39:25.89
we work with.
00:39:25.93\00:39:27.26
They are not Seventh-Day
Adventist Christians.
00:39:27.30\00:39:29.66
And he took me out to lunch.
00:39:29.70\00:39:31.03
He knows that I'm working
00:39:31.07\00:39:32.40
on this project
about Roger Morneau.
00:39:32.43\00:39:34.40
And he knows
that it's more about,
00:39:34.44\00:39:36.40
it's about more
than just being delivered
00:39:36.44\00:39:38.41
from demon worship though.
00:39:38.44\00:39:39.97
It, Roger learned
about the Sabbath,
00:39:40.01\00:39:41.74
he learned about
the state of the dead,
00:39:41.78\00:39:43.65
and what's amazing
00:39:43.68\00:39:45.95
is that this Sunday
Protestant and all of his staff,
00:39:45.98\00:39:49.28
they are praying
for this project, C.A.
00:39:49.32\00:39:50.95
Praise God. Praise the Lord.
00:39:50.99\00:39:52.35
Praying for this project,
00:39:52.39\00:39:53.79
that the Lord will
open the doors for us.
00:39:53.82\00:39:55.46
Let me ask you this
question before our time is up
00:39:55.49\00:39:56.83
because Roger, in
reading the material
00:39:56.86\00:40:00.50
dealt with some dark stuff.
00:40:00.53\00:40:02.46
How do you walk that
line between telling the truth
00:40:02.50\00:40:07.44
about his life
and not degenerating
00:40:07.47\00:40:09.50
into a sort of sci fiy
kind of spooks kind thing.
00:40:09.54\00:40:12.61
Creepy Halloween.
00:40:12.64\00:40:13.98
Yeah, yeah, kind of Halloween
00:40:14.01\00:40:15.34
kind of
caricature kind of a thing?
00:40:15.38\00:40:17.45
You know, that's been in
a topic of a lot of prayer.
00:40:17.48\00:40:20.78
Yeah.
00:40:20.82\00:40:22.15
You know, the challenge
00:40:22.18\00:40:24.65
that we don't want
to glorify the darkness.
00:40:24.69\00:40:26.45
Precisely.
00:40:26.49\00:40:27.82
We want to lift up Christ.
00:40:27.86\00:40:29.56
And for the sake of
those people like Jesus,
00:40:29.59\00:40:32.99
when he went across the
sea and He ran into those
00:40:33.03\00:40:35.60
demon possessed men
in Genezareth, right.
00:40:35.63\00:40:39.03
He told that man, "Go
tell your friends and family
00:40:39.07\00:40:41.34
what great thing the
Lord has done for you."
00:40:41.37\00:40:42.84
Yes.
00:40:42.87\00:40:44.21
Now you see, that man had
00:40:44.24\00:40:45.57
never heard Jesus preach before.
00:40:45.61\00:40:46.94
He could only tell
his conversion story.
00:40:46.98\00:40:48.44
Right.
00:40:48.48\00:40:49.81
And it's very
graphic in the Bible.
00:40:49.84\00:40:51.88
He was cutting
himself, he was chained,
00:40:51.91\00:40:53.82
he was breaking chains,
he was so demon-possessed.
00:40:53.85\00:40:56.58
And so you know,
the Bible tells us
00:40:56.62\00:40:59.75
in Ephesians
chapter 5 that it's sad
00:40:59.79\00:41:03.73
that we should even have
to speak of these things.
00:41:03.76\00:41:06.23
And then Paul says that,
00:41:06.26\00:41:07.93
"We are to expose the darkness."
00:41:07.96\00:41:10.67
And of course, "Putting
on the whole armor of God"
00:41:10.70\00:41:12.67
in chapter 6.
00:41:12.70\00:41:14.10
But it is, it's a
challenge to present the story
00:41:14.14\00:41:19.54
to validate that
the darkness is real.
00:41:19.57\00:41:22.21
It's like if I were to
give a slogan, I would say,
00:41:22.24\00:41:25.38
the darkness is
real, and God is awesome.
00:41:25.41\00:41:28.18
That's essentially the
slogan is because Jesus
00:41:28.22\00:41:30.45
is the lead
character, the devil of course,
00:41:30.49\00:41:33.29
is part of the
great controversy.
00:41:33.32\00:41:34.89
But he is defeated.
00:41:34.92\00:41:36.52
And so, you know, in order to be
00:41:36.56\00:41:38.09
truthful to Roger's story,
00:41:38.13\00:41:40.06
we have to validate
that the darkness is real.
00:41:40.10\00:41:42.46
Yeah, that's the tension...
00:41:42.50\00:41:44.50
Now I'll tell you a quick story,
00:41:44.53\00:41:45.87
not to take away your time.
00:41:45.90\00:41:47.24
When I was writing my
third book, there was a scene
00:41:47.27\00:41:51.01
of a young lady,
she's an Adventist.
00:41:51.04\00:41:52.97
She is Christian.
00:41:53.01\00:41:54.34
She has a secret crack
habit that she confided to me.
00:41:54.38\00:41:57.85
And we were writing the story.
00:41:57.88\00:41:59.51
Well, she says,
"It's Friday night out,
00:41:59.55\00:42:02.32
I went to get
crack and I told the guy
00:42:02.35\00:42:04.15
I got no money, so I
have nothing to give you."
00:42:04.19\00:42:06.22
He says, "Yeah, you do."
00:42:06.25\00:42:07.59
And she said, "The
way he looked at me,
00:42:07.62\00:42:08.96
I knew what he wanted."
00:42:08.99\00:42:10.33
So she said, "Ten minutes later,
00:42:10.36\00:42:11.69
I'm on the ground and my
dress is up and a man is on me
00:42:11.73\00:42:15.10
and in me, in three hours,
I'm going to be in church.
00:42:15.13\00:42:18.37
All of this drugs.
00:42:18.40\00:42:19.73
I didn't even
know this guy's name."
00:42:19.77\00:42:21.10
So when I submitted the book,
00:42:21.14\00:42:22.47
they said, "You
can't put that in there."
00:42:22.50\00:42:25.41
And we fought over that.
00:42:25.44\00:42:26.78
Because I said, in
order to glory in her healing,
00:42:26.81\00:42:30.11
I got to share
where she came from.
00:42:30.15\00:42:31.81
So if we sanitize that,
00:42:31.85\00:42:33.65
then we lose the
legitimacy of her ascent.
00:42:33.68\00:42:36.35
Well said.
00:42:36.38\00:42:37.72
Yeah, you know, so
we got to show that.
00:42:37.75\00:42:39.45
We don't want a glory in that,
00:42:39.49\00:42:40.82
we don't want to wallow in that.
00:42:40.86\00:42:42.19
But that's part
of her life like her
00:42:42.22\00:42:44.96
now being in the
church and being in clean
00:42:44.99\00:42:47.16
and being holy
this part of her life.
00:42:47.20\00:42:48.53
So you can't, you got
to have, you got have both.
00:42:48.56\00:42:50.37
So it occurred to me that
that's one of the tight ropes
00:42:50.40\00:42:53.57
you got to walk.
00:42:53.60\00:42:54.94
We got to tell the truth
about where this guy came from,
00:42:54.97\00:42:57.07
so that you can see
that if someone else
00:42:57.11\00:42:59.71
is down there too,
they also got the hope.
00:42:59.74\00:43:01.84
And as a film
maker, you got to do that
00:43:01.88\00:43:03.55
in a short period of time.
00:43:03.58\00:43:05.48
But you got to make that point.
00:43:05.51\00:43:06.85
That's exactly
right. Very well said, C.A.
00:43:06.88\00:43:09.58
You know, Roger's
intercessory prayer ministry
00:43:09.62\00:43:14.52
is greatly remembered.
00:43:14.56\00:43:15.89
A lot of his
books were about prayer.
00:43:15.92\00:43:17.26
Very much so.
00:43:17.29\00:43:18.63
But they were
informed by his knowledge
00:43:18.66\00:43:21.56
of having been
deep in the darkness.
00:43:21.60\00:43:23.80
Well said. Yes, yeah.
00:43:23.83\00:43:25.17
You see, that's the
reason why God used him
00:43:25.20\00:43:27.64
in such a
powerful way to illustrate
00:43:27.67\00:43:30.61
the power of
intercessory prayer.
00:43:30.64\00:43:32.61
Because he understands
the rules of engagement
00:43:32.64\00:43:35.28
between the
darkness and the light.
00:43:35.31\00:43:37.78
And he articulated it in a way
00:43:37.81\00:43:39.21
that only the Holy Spirit could.
00:43:39.25\00:43:40.58
Amen.
00:43:40.62\00:43:41.95
So I agree with you.
00:43:41.98\00:43:43.32
I think this is uh,
Mary Magdalene, you know,
00:43:43.35\00:43:46.05
healed from seven
demons by Jesus himself.
00:43:46.09\00:43:48.26
Yeah.
00:43:48.29\00:43:49.62
What a dramatic depth
that He pulled her from.
00:43:49.66\00:43:51.19
Precisely.
00:43:51.23\00:43:52.56
And how in the world
would we have a context
00:43:52.59\00:43:54.53
that Jesus is relevant
today unless we, as you said,
00:43:54.56\00:43:58.47
tell where
someone really came from.
00:43:58.50\00:43:59.93
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:59.97\00:44:01.30
Do you write, as
far as spirit writing,
00:44:01.34\00:44:02.90
do you write your own stuff
or do you have group of people
00:44:02.94\00:44:05.04
write for you, write with you?
00:44:05.07\00:44:06.41
How do you do that?
00:44:06.44\00:44:07.78
With a documentary production,
00:44:07.81\00:44:09.54
the Lord and I do that
during post-production.
00:44:09.58\00:44:11.88
Most documentaries
don't have a script.
00:44:11.91\00:44:13.38
Yeah.
00:44:13.42\00:44:14.75
But in this new
project we're talking about,
00:44:14.78\00:44:16.48
we're putting together a team.
00:44:16.52\00:44:18.89
There's a number of
different script writers
00:44:18.92\00:44:20.52
that I'm talking to
right now who are praying about
00:44:20.56\00:44:23.76
and talking and seeing
who the Lord has in stored
00:44:23.79\00:44:26.53
to write the script
for the screen play.
00:44:26.56\00:44:27.90
Praise the Lord. It
must be so very exciting.
00:44:27.93\00:44:30.77
First of all, I like film.
00:44:30.80\00:44:32.23
I like movies and I
like the documentary format.
00:44:32.27\00:44:36.30
So it must be exciting
to bite down on something
00:44:36.34\00:44:38.47
that big and
that has consequence
00:44:38.51\00:44:40.78
and that can
change lives, yes, no.
00:44:40.81\00:44:42.28
Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:42.31\00:44:43.65
This is exciting.
00:44:43.68\00:44:45.21
I believe that we
are in the final stages
00:44:45.25\00:44:46.92
of world's history, brother.
00:44:46.95\00:44:48.28
Well said.
00:44:48.32\00:44:49.65
And you know, Martin Luther,
William Tyndale, John Wesley,
00:44:49.68\00:44:52.72
all these great reformers
that they have broke free
00:44:52.75\00:44:57.43
of a lot of truth in their area
00:44:57.46\00:44:58.79
but they weren't
able to show all truth.
00:44:58.83\00:45:02.43
The truth of the Sabbath
and the state of the dead,
00:45:02.46\00:45:04.77
were things that they
didn't understand back then.
00:45:04.80\00:45:07.27
So we have a final
mission to finish the protestant
00:45:07.30\00:45:10.34
reformation because
the protest is not over.
00:45:10.37\00:45:12.54
Amen.
00:45:12.57\00:45:13.91
You know, and
Roger's story is so beautiful
00:45:13.94\00:45:16.31
and it's like the call
to come out of Babylon.
00:45:16.34\00:45:19.18
Because, you know, C.A.,
00:45:19.21\00:45:20.85
the thread that runs
through all world views
00:45:20.88\00:45:23.45
except for our
precious view of Christians
00:45:23.49\00:45:25.39
in Seventh-Day Adventist
or one of those sub cultures,
00:45:25.42\00:45:28.36
that understands
the death is asleep.
00:45:28.39\00:45:31.73
It's the immortality of
the soul, that this belief,
00:45:31.76\00:45:35.83
that you pass on in some
form or another after you die.
00:45:35.86\00:45:39.23
Whether it's free
masonry, witchcraft,
00:45:39.27\00:45:42.10
whether it's a most of
Protestant Christianity,
00:45:42.14\00:45:45.51
Catholicism, Buddhism,
it believes in Nirvana,
00:45:45.54\00:45:49.88
Hinduism, you know, even
witches believe in Summer land
00:45:49.91\00:45:53.65
that you go
somewhere like a purgatory.
00:45:53.68\00:45:55.75
You know, the devil is so
good at sending out all these
00:45:55.78\00:45:58.72
distractions,
thousands of packagings
00:45:58.75\00:46:00.99
but it all comes
back to the tree.
00:46:01.02\00:46:02.99
It all comes back to the garden,
00:46:03.02\00:46:04.73
where the serpent says,
you will not surely die.
00:46:04.76\00:46:06.80
Correct. Yeah.
00:46:06.83\00:46:08.16
So the lie is a
lie even well today.
00:46:08.23\00:46:09.86
If God need the
people who are gonna reflect
00:46:09.90\00:46:12.47
the face of Jesus and
show the truth and love.
00:46:12.50\00:46:15.10
Well said, well said.
00:46:15.14\00:46:17.67
As you began to work now
00:46:17.71\00:46:21.31
on this life,
now first let me ask.
00:46:21.34\00:46:22.68
This book is available. Yes.
00:46:22.71\00:46:24.25
Yeah, you can get this now.
00:46:24.28\00:46:25.61
That's right.
00:46:25.65\00:46:26.98
This is sort of the
template for what you are trying
00:46:27.02\00:46:28.35
to do as far as his life...
00:46:28.38\00:46:30.79
The movie script
we base on this book.
00:46:30.82\00:46:33.59
And so we definitely seeing this
00:46:33.62\00:46:36.99
as phase one of
our three-part project.
00:46:37.03\00:46:38.86
Mmm. Yeah.
00:46:38.89\00:46:40.23
Yeah, praise God.
00:46:40.26\00:46:41.60
You are working
with a permission,
00:46:41.63\00:46:42.96
the cooperation, the
blessing of the Morneau estate.
00:46:43.00\00:46:46.43
Correct.
00:46:46.47\00:46:47.80
okay, so this is
legitimate stuff.
00:46:47.84\00:46:49.17
Yeah, I actually
had the privilege
00:46:49.20\00:46:50.54
to interview
Roger's grandson recently.
00:46:50.57\00:46:52.81
And of course
Cyril and Cynthia Grosse
00:46:52.84\00:46:54.84
who studied the
Bible with Roger in 1946.
00:46:54.88\00:46:58.05
And so it's been
a great privilege
00:46:58.08\00:47:00.25
to work with Roger's family.
00:47:00.28\00:47:03.82
And to me, so
many incredible people
00:47:03.85\00:47:06.59
that knew Roger.
00:47:06.62\00:47:07.96
Yeah.
00:47:07.99\00:47:09.32
I actually interviewed a
couple in Montreal Canada
00:47:09.36\00:47:11.06
who Roger prayed for
00:47:11.09\00:47:12.53
and she had this
miraculous heart recovery
00:47:12.56\00:47:14.56
when she was actually dying
in the hospital, critical care.
00:47:14.60\00:47:16.97
Yeah, yeah.
00:47:17.00\00:47:18.33
Now that was as
you read his material,
00:47:18.37\00:47:19.70
that was a an
outgrowth of his walk with God,
00:47:19.73\00:47:23.20
that that guy had believe
to get a prayer through, man.
00:47:23.24\00:47:26.07
And get blessings on a back end.
00:47:26.11\00:47:28.64
He really and I think
it's because he had come
00:47:28.68\00:47:30.98
from so far down,
he knew who God was,
00:47:31.01\00:47:32.75
he knew where God was,
he knew how to get to God
00:47:32.78\00:47:34.78
and there was a
sincerity that marked his,
00:47:34.82\00:47:37.39
the latter part of his
life that was unmistakable.
00:47:37.42\00:47:39.75
But, you know, he
wanted so desperately, C.A.,
00:47:39.79\00:47:42.09
for the world for
believers every where
00:47:42.12\00:47:45.26
to believe and grasp that,
00:47:45.29\00:47:48.83
you can have a
prayer life like he had.
00:47:48.86\00:47:51.20
That Roger was no special guru
00:47:51.23\00:47:53.97
like they believe
in India in Hinduism.
00:47:54.00\00:47:56.44
That Roger was simply trying
to teach us and disciple us
00:47:56.47\00:47:59.81
and help us understand that
00:47:59.84\00:48:01.18
we can all have that
passion at prayer life,
00:48:01.21\00:48:03.55
that intimacy with the Father
00:48:03.58\00:48:05.75
and that, his
estate wants desperately
00:48:05.78\00:48:08.85
for people listening
and watching this project
00:48:08.88\00:48:11.29
as it unfolds, to really grasp
and believe for themselves.
00:48:11.32\00:48:14.49
Praise God. Praise God.
00:48:14.52\00:48:16.12
Obviously, Chris, you
are very aware of the times
00:48:16.16\00:48:19.19
in which you live
and that time is not far.
00:48:19.23\00:48:23.20
There's not a lot of time left.
00:48:23.23\00:48:24.57
There's much more
in the rearview mirror
00:48:24.60\00:48:26.17
than there is in the windshield.
00:48:26.20\00:48:29.37
Time line, do you have a time
00:48:29.40\00:48:31.41
when you're trying to
get this done in and out
00:48:31.44\00:48:33.31
or do you kind of
just take it as it comes
00:48:33.34\00:48:34.94
because documentaries can be,
00:48:34.98\00:48:37.31
I mean, you got to
do a lot of research,
00:48:37.35\00:48:38.68
there's a lot of
time at the computer,
00:48:38.71\00:48:40.52
a lot of time looking
up stuff, talking to people
00:48:40.55\00:48:42.42
and then you got to
synthesize this stuff.
00:48:42.45\00:48:44.35
Do you have a kind of
time line in your mind?
00:48:44.39\00:48:46.35
Thank you, yes.
00:48:46.39\00:48:48.72
The goal with God's help
is to release the documentary
00:48:48.76\00:48:51.93
before the end of 2015.
00:48:51.96\00:48:55.53
Our goal is to come
out with the feature film
00:48:55.56\00:48:59.87
by fall Halloween season, 2017.
00:48:59.90\00:49:04.61
It's, we're
giving ourselves sometime
00:49:04.64\00:49:06.51
to raise the funds that we need.
00:49:06.54\00:49:08.34
It's gonna be a large mountain.
00:49:08.38\00:49:10.81
You know, when
you do a feature film,
00:49:10.85\00:49:12.25
you have a small
army that's required to...
00:49:12.28\00:49:14.05
Oh, yes, yeah.
00:49:14.08\00:49:15.42
And you have a lot of location,
00:49:15.45\00:49:16.79
a lot of expense
versus the documentary format.
00:49:16.82\00:49:20.72
But we felt like the both
programs are very important
00:49:20.76\00:49:25.03
in terms of underscoring
the importance of the story
00:49:25.06\00:49:27.96
so, end of 2015
documentary and then late 2017
00:49:28.00\00:49:34.60
for the feature
film, God willing.
00:49:34.64\00:49:36.17
Yeah.
00:49:36.20\00:49:37.54
Even sooner if possible.
00:49:37.57\00:49:38.91
But, you know,
when you think about
00:49:38.94\00:49:40.28
a counter
cultural story like this,
00:49:40.31\00:49:42.14
it happened
during Halloween, 1946.
00:49:42.18\00:49:44.98
And all the films that
get released that are spooky,
00:49:45.01\00:49:47.62
harp goblins, scary stuff,
00:49:47.65\00:49:50.19
horror films at
Halloween season,
00:49:50.22\00:49:52.39
we want a film that's gonna
be completely against the grain.
00:49:52.42\00:49:54.92
Praise God. Praise God.
00:49:54.96\00:49:56.39
Obviously, you
have bitten down on this
00:49:56.42\00:49:58.63
because you're
gonna do two projects.
00:49:58.66\00:50:00.53
One, a
documentary, a feature film.
00:50:00.56\00:50:02.80
So you think this is an
important story to tell.
00:50:02.83\00:50:05.67
Absolutely.
00:50:05.70\00:50:07.04
Yeah.
00:50:07.07\00:50:08.40
I really believe it's
part of God's last day call
00:50:08.44\00:50:10.91
for people to
come out of Babylon.
00:50:10.94\00:50:12.94
And the documentary itself
00:50:12.97\00:50:15.64
isn't intended to
duplicate the feature film.
00:50:15.68\00:50:18.75
The feature film,
00:50:18.78\00:50:20.12
again, the feature
film is not to be preachy,
00:50:20.15\00:50:22.38
it's not, it
can't be a didactic.
00:50:22.42\00:50:24.52
We are not trying
to do a Bible study
00:50:24.55\00:50:26.12
in the feature film.
00:50:26.15\00:50:27.49
Right, the Holy
Spirit's blessing,
00:50:27.52\00:50:29.12
we want to make people curious
to learn what Roger learned
00:50:29.16\00:50:32.53
in 1946 that saved his soul.
00:50:32.56\00:50:36.46
Yeah, and you actually,
00:50:36.50\00:50:38.73
we're heading down the same road
00:50:38.77\00:50:40.20
because I'm
thinking your target audience
00:50:40.24\00:50:42.74
isn't a person who's sitting
in church on Sabbath anyway.
00:50:42.77\00:50:44.54
Exactly.
00:50:44.57\00:50:45.91
That featured film is
going to for an audience
00:50:45.94\00:50:47.31
that doesn't have
that pre-disposition.
00:50:47.34\00:50:49.78
So it's got to tell a story
without preaching the story,
00:50:49.81\00:50:54.48
yet, there's got to be
some entertainment value
00:50:54.52\00:50:57.05
because want people to see it.
00:50:57.09\00:50:58.59
So you're weaving
together a number of threads
00:50:58.62\00:51:01.06
to try to get
something that is relevant
00:51:01.09\00:51:04.26
and yet that is
marketable and that is sellable.
00:51:04.29\00:51:07.26
Right exactly. Yeah, yeah.
00:51:07.30\00:51:08.83
It's exactly right. Lot to say.
00:51:08.86\00:51:10.20
And also, you know,
00:51:10.23\00:51:11.57
we are living in a
prove-it-to-me age.
00:51:11.60\00:51:12.93
Precisely, yeah.
00:51:12.97\00:51:14.30
And so that's why
00:51:14.34\00:51:15.67
the documentary
is coming to serve,
00:51:15.70\00:51:17.04
underscore and validate
the person that Roger was
00:51:17.07\00:51:19.61
and the danger of
the occult, ultimately.
00:51:19.64\00:51:22.64
That when you dabble in it,
00:51:22.68\00:51:24.51
it's gonna take
your life ultimately.
00:51:24.55\00:51:26.41
Excellent, yeah, well said.
00:51:26.45\00:51:29.25
Chris Lang is a representative
of a number of young people.
00:51:29.28\00:51:33.79
I still call him young
'cause he's younger than me,
00:51:33.82\00:51:36.52
who are ceasing this medium
that is so very, very popular.
00:51:36.56\00:51:40.86
I think video television,
00:51:40.90\00:51:42.50
one of the most powerful things
00:51:42.53\00:51:43.87
ever created in
history of the world.
00:51:43.90\00:51:45.77
He's using this
00:51:45.80\00:51:47.17
for the uplifting of the gospel.
00:51:47.20\00:51:48.54
Should you want to make
contact with Chris Lang,
00:51:48.57\00:51:51.64
Lifestreams media, support
this very, very worth while
00:51:51.67\00:51:55.81
and worthy
project with your prayers
00:51:55.84\00:51:58.21
and with your
finances, here's the information
00:51:58.25\00:52:00.98
that you're gonna need.
00:52:01.02\00:52:02.35
To contact Chris Lang,
00:52:04.75\00:52:06.15
or for more
information about his ministry,
00:52:06.19\00:52:08.22
you can write to
Lifestreams Media,
00:52:08.26\00:52:10.43
Post Office Box 608513,
00:52:10.46\00:52:13.83
Orlando, Florida, 32860.
00:52:13.86\00:52:17.50
That's Lifestreams
Media, Post Office Box 608513,
00:52:17.53\00:52:22.27
Orlando, Florida, 32860.
00:52:22.30\00:52:25.71
Or call (407)494-3288.
00:52:25.74\00:52:30.11
That's (407)494-3288.
00:52:30.15\00:52:34.38
Or you can go
online at lifestreams.org.
00:52:34.42\00:52:37.35
That's lifestreams.org.
00:52:37.39\00:52:39.79