Participants: C.A. & Irma Murray (Host), Raquel DeLeon Rosenberg, Ray Rosenberg
Series Code: TDY
Program Code: TDY015051A
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00:01 I want to spend my life
00:07 Mending broken people 00:12 I want to spend my life 00:18 Removing pain 00:23 Lord, let my words 00:30 Heal a heart that hurts 00:34 I want to spend my life 00:40 Mending broken people 00:45 I want to spend my life 00:51 Mending broken people 01:08 Hello, and welcome to 3ABN today. 01:10 My name is C.A. Murray 01:12 and allow me once again to thank you for sharing just-- 01:15 of your no doubt busy day with us. 01:17 So thank you for your love, your prayers, 01:19 your support of Three Angels' Broadcasting Network 01:21 as you partner with us in doing the greatest work ever 01:26 entrusted to the frail and feeble hands 01:27 of men and women 01:29 that is lifting up the mighty and matchless name of Jesus 01:32 and preparing people for the second coming 01:34 of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. 01:35 I'm very excited today for a number of reasons. 01:37 I don't often get to have my wife Irma with me and Boo, 01:42 good to have you here. 01:43 Good to be here with you, honey. 01:44 She is Irma Guerra-Murray but if you hear me slip 01:47 and say Boo forgive me 01:49 because that's the name around the house. 01:51 It's Boo. 01:52 If I say Irma then I'm usually upset 01:54 but Boo is the normal name. 01:57 I mean, she says C.A., she is upset. 01:59 So I'm upset. 02:01 But we have names which are-- that's most married couples do. 02:03 Our guests today are Ray Rosenberg, 02:07 Raquel DeLeon. 02:09 When you get our age you can't say old friends 02:12 that you don't want to say. 02:13 Oh, you want to say dear friends, 02:15 long time friends, loving friends. 02:16 We don't want to say old friends, 02:19 you want to say dear friends 02:20 and they are of "Be Transformed Lifestyle Health." 02:25 So we are gonna talk about health, 02:26 we are gonna talk about how to get healthy, 02:28 how to repair health, how to stay healthy, 02:30 how to prevent diseases as much as we can. 02:33 And these two individuals 02:35 are uniquely qualified to talk about this. 02:40 One day operate a really nice lifestyle center 02:42 and we can talk from first hand experience my wife 02:46 more than I because you were there for-- 02:49 Twice. Yeah, yeah. 02:50 I have been there for-- 02:52 For any number of days, seem like forever 02:53 but you were there-- 02:55 First time 12, 10 days 02:56 and the next time was with three weeks. 02:59 Three weeks, praise the Lord. Yeah. 03:01 Yes. 03:02 And you came out looking good, Boo. 03:03 Oh, I came back feeling very good. 03:06 Praise the Lord. 03:07 And healthy. And healthy. 03:09 Raquel is a nurse practitioner and we are gonna talk about 03:12 what that is and what that does 03:13 and she is married to a pharmacist 03:16 and it don't get any better than that, you know, 03:17 pharmacist and a nurse practitioner 03:19 running a lifestyle center 03:21 and what's good about this is that it is small enough 03:25 to offer almost one on one care. 03:27 Yes. 03:29 Its not-- It is one on one. 03:30 Yeah, it is kind of one on one, yeah. 03:32 Yes, very much one on one. 03:33 So its not, it's not like a warehouse situation 03:35 where you are one of 20 or one of 30 or one 40 03:39 but one of the unique things 03:41 about this lifestyle center is that it's small. 03:44 And then you have two people who are very, 03:46 very well equipped to do this technically 03:50 because they know their stuff 03:51 but more than that they have a loving, 03:54 caring administrative style that really makes you feel good 03:58 when you are there. 04:00 Definite dedicated to each of the people 04:02 that come through there. 04:03 Yeah, they are. They are. 04:05 So when they put you in that hot tub with the slice 04:06 and you are sweating yourself to death, you know, 04:08 that they love you and its all love. 04:11 They have it. 04:13 They have a beautiful house-- 04:14 They do. 04:15 And yet when they have people in the center 04:18 they sleep in the sofas just to be there 04:21 make sure that they are there for the people 04:23 that they are taking care of. 04:25 Yeah. 04:26 So they are right there with you in the middle of night 04:27 should you wake up and have a bad dream 04:29 they can come up and hold your hand 04:31 because they are right there with you through it all. 04:33 Ray and Raquel, good to have you here. 04:35 Thank you. Thank you, C.A., and Irma. 04:37 Yeah, I think we both met these guys 04:39 when they are first out to come to 3ABN camp meeting. 04:41 Yes. Yeah. 04:42 That's true. A little while ago. 04:44 Yeah. A little while ago. 04:45 One, two years ago. 04:47 Very interesting because from the first time 04:49 we met we became friends. 04:51 Yes. Yes. 04:53 We talked and it just communicated 04:56 really well between us 04:58 and it always been like that since. 05:00 And in that first meeting 05:03 Ray was recovering from sickness. 05:06 Yes, he was. 05:08 We didn't have that lifestyle center, 05:09 we just-- we were just thinking about it 05:12 and it's so wonderful that the 3ABN staff 05:19 I met them and says, 05:20 would you pray for my husband because he was dizzy 05:26 and he was hanging on to me, 05:29 very dizzy and Pastor Joe, Brenda, 05:36 and C.A., and Marley 05:42 they each prayed for Ray to get better 05:47 and God answers prayers. 05:50 Amen. And Ray-- 05:52 So between the prayers and some of your care 05:56 I think Ray will agree with that. 05:58 Lord and your care that got him back to shape. 06:01 Back into shape. Yes. 06:03 And then the idea of the lifestyle center came 06:05 but before we jump to that 06:07 I think we want to go to our music, 06:08 then we want to comeback and kind of walk us through 06:10 the process because it's a wonderful lifestyle center, 06:13 we've been there. 06:15 You are one of the few ones 06:16 that are in the northern regions 06:18 when we think of most of the lifestyle centers 06:20 are kind of down south. 06:22 Black hills is up north but you are in Michigan 06:26 and there of different climate, beautiful country. 06:30 You are not in the city, you are kind of in the country 06:32 and really like that 06:33 and not too far from Andrews University. 06:35 I guess within 30 minutes-- 06:37 Twenty minutes. Twenty minutes. 06:39 Twenty minutes, okay, so not too far. 06:40 So that's a general where Southern Michigan, 06:42 very, very nice country. 06:44 Let's go to our special music. 06:47 This is John Watkins and he's gonna be singing 06:49 "Home Where I Belong." 07:10 They say that heaven's pretty 07:14 living here is too 07:18 But if they say 07:21 then I would have to choose between the two 07:26 I'd going home, 07:30 going home where I belong. 07:44 Sometimes when I'm dreaming 07:48 it comes as no surprise 07:52 That if you'll look you would see 07:56 that homesick feeling in mine eyes 08:00 I'm going home, 08:04 going home, where I belong 08:18 While I'm here I'll serve Him gladly 08:22 And sing Him all these songs 08:26 Because I'm here, but not for long 08:35 When I'm feeling lonely, when I'm feeling blue 08:43 It's such a joy to know that I am only passin' through 08:50 Because I'm headed home, 08:55 I'm going home, where I belong 09:09 But while I'm here I'll serve Him gladly 09:13 And sing Him all these songs 09:17 Because I'm here, but not for long 09:26 One day I'll be sleeping 09:30 when death knocks on my door 09:34 And I'll awake to find 09:38 that I'm not homesick anymore 09:41 Because I'll be home, 09:46 I'll be home, 09:50 where I belong 09:58 Where I belong 10:11 And well done, John Watkins, "Home Where I Belong." 10:14 Our guests are Ray Rosenberg, 10:17 Raquel DeLeon of Be Transformed Lifestyle in Coloma, Michigan. 10:22 Just a good stones throw north of Andrews University. 10:26 And Ray is the CEO and Raquel is the COO. 10:31 Yeah, chief operating officer and chief-- what's CEO? 10:38 Executive. Executive officer, yeah, yeah. 10:40 Anyway they are running it joint. 10:43 They are. 10:45 And I want to talk about a couple things. 10:47 Raquel, give me because you are Filipino. 10:50 Yes, I am. And one can see that right off. 10:53 Did you grew up in an Adventist home? 10:54 Yes, I did. 10:56 My parents used to be catholic but they-- 11:01 when they got married 11:03 they converted to Seventh-day Adventist church 11:07 and so all of us, all of their children 11:10 were a Seventh-day Adventists. 11:13 But I went to public schools because there we couldn't 11:16 afford the Seventh-day Adventist academy 11:21 which is about 50 miles away. 11:27 But I was the only Adventist in town 11:31 and in the whole school and I was teased 11:36 and I was-- 11:37 I kind of had a mental persecution 11:42 about being Adventist in a public school 11:45 but I stood my ground. 11:47 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 11:48 Now when did you come to the States? 11:51 I came here in 1986 11:56 and I wasn't a nurse or a nurse practitioner then. 12:01 I studied at Andrews University and I graduated in 1998. 12:08 I mean, oh, yeah, I think 1998 yeah. 12:11 Okay, so that was your nursing degree. 12:12 When did you, now you're a nurse practitioner 12:15 as an advance degree. 12:16 Yes, that's I graduated in 1998. 12:19 I was registered nurse in 1991. Okay. 12:24 So I took my nursing also at Andrews University. 12:28 Walk us through the difference between a-- 12:31 say an RN and a nurse practitioner. 12:35 RN which is registered nurse is, 12:42 is somebody who took courses like medical surgical 12:48 or be gynecology, psychology 12:55 and child medicine 13:01 something like that and past the NCLEX. 13:08 It's board certification for nurses. 13:14 Well, a nurse practitioner that take advance courses 13:18 like medicine subjects but it's a, 13:23 it's kind of like a shortened or abbreviated course, 13:29 a little different from those 13:34 with medical degree or medical doctors. 13:37 But you can write prescriptions? 13:39 Yes, we do write prescriptions. 13:41 There are some states that they, 13:44 they don't need 13:46 the collaboration of a medical doctor. 13:50 In Michigan we need the collaboration 13:53 from a medical doctor. 13:56 So that's a nurse practitioner. 13:58 Well, physician you didn't ask this 14:01 but physician assistance and nurse practitioner 14:04 are almost synonymous 14:08 but only the physical assistance they work under-- 14:13 they are supposed to be under medical doctor supervision. 14:17 Nurse practitioner we can work on our own 14:20 but in some states we need some medical doctors 14:28 supervising us or collaborating with us. 14:31 Okay. Okay. 14:33 Ray, your story has a little different, 14:36 a lot different because you didn't grow up 14:37 in an Adventist home. 14:39 No I didn't. And you are a Chicago guy. 14:40 I'm a Chicago guy. 14:43 Grew up in a Jewish environment. 14:47 My parents were Jewish, 14:50 we were Jewish at least for the high holidays. 14:55 My mother was more religious than my father 15:01 and when I grew up and later married, 15:08 I married girl who was catholic, 15:11 who they accepted right away. 15:16 She and I went to church 15:21 but we didn't go to catholic church, 15:23 we went to Protestant church and she passed away 15:29 a number of years ago of cancer 15:34 and then I met Raquel and Raquel became my doctor. 15:40 Yes. 15:42 That's seriously interesting thing to marry Boo, you know, 15:44 you marry, you marry a doctor. 15:46 You know, its not, 15:48 it's not a bad way to pick up a wife 15:51 particularly when your wife is nurse practitioner. 15:53 But you are a pharmacist... Yes. 15:56 And is that something you always wanted to do, 15:59 kind of backed into it? 16:00 No. 16:01 How did you become a pharmacist? 16:06 I had been studying at the University of Chicago 16:09 for a couple of years 16:10 with the intention of going into medicine 16:13 and I was going to transfer to the University of Illinois. 16:19 You know, what occurred was I had gotten my housing 16:23 and that was all set and then all of a sudden 16:25 it gets right to the end 16:27 when the school year is beginning 16:29 and they had lost my records 16:32 and I wasn't able to get in and in a panic 16:38 I went to the next thing which was pharmacy. 16:41 So I really got pushed into it. 16:44 So obviously that is default setting. 16:46 Yeah. Yeah. 16:48 Now, Raquel life long Adventist, 16:50 born into an Adventist family not so with you. 16:51 How did you run across 16:53 or the Lord bring you into Adventism? 16:56 Well, that was, that was what I was starting to say before-- 17:00 after I met Raquel and started going through her 17:02 on a professional basis 17:04 she invited me to go to church with her 17:07 and I took her up on the offer. 17:10 And I said, what church do you belong to 17:13 and she says the Remnant Church and I heard 17:16 the Remnant Church what is that. 17:19 So we went from there. 17:21 Obviously the Sabbath thing was not a big shock for you 17:24 because, you know, coming from a Jewish background. 17:27 The first time you stepped into an Adventist church 17:30 how did you feel? 17:31 I felt very comfortable. I felt very comfortable. 17:36 Lot of Raquel's friends came up and greeted me 17:41 and made me feel very welcome. 17:44 Praise the Lord. Praise the Lord. 17:46 You know, Raquel was telling me about that encounter 17:50 and it was very good because she told me 17:54 that she had asked many people 17:57 before to visit the church with you. 18:00 Tell us about that. Oh, yes. 18:04 Being a nurse practitioner I see a lot of patients a day 18:09 and I have invited people 18:13 who seem like friendly to me, 18:17 I invited them to church 18:19 and I've been doing that for a year 18:21 and nobody showed up. 18:25 And when Ray-- when I invited Ray 18:29 and thinking that he won't show up 18:33 because that was the trend that they don't show up so 18:36 and I went to church and he was already there 18:40 at the parking lot waiting and I was watching him. 18:46 My car was tinted at that time he cannot see me inside. 18:53 So I was watching him 18:55 and he was taking his last puff of tobacco 19:04 and then I think he sprayed something 19:07 and then he went to church 19:11 and then I followed. 19:15 We did not see other that time 19:18 and I was shocked when he showed up. 19:21 Praise the Lord. 19:22 Now, at this point 19:24 there is nothing going on between you guys. 19:25 You are just patient and caregiver 19:29 and you invited him to church. 19:31 Right. Okay. 19:32 So Praise the Lord. 19:33 Now let's ease it along 19:36 obviously the relationship changed. 19:39 The question I have is in whose mind did the idea 19:42 of a ongoing relationship appeared first Ray or Raquel? 19:47 Who kind of thought about well, may be? 19:50 Well, I was thinking because every Sabbath 19:53 or Saturday he came to church. 19:58 So thinking that he had something, 20:02 you know, in mind so I didn't go to church there, 20:06 I went to another church. 20:10 That is, that is-- 20:12 She want to keep him focused on the Lord. 20:13 That's right. 20:16 It was a test I suppose to see if he continues going to church 20:22 and know that I won't be there. 20:23 Okay. 20:25 So you are trying to access is he coming for church 20:26 for just a closer walk with Thee 20:28 or just a closer walk with me, you know. 20:35 We need to switch it to Ray. 20:36 Was it just a closer walk with Thee 20:38 or just a closer walk with she? 20:39 Well, I'll answer that but first let me say this. 20:43 Raquel will tell you if you ask her 20:46 whether she spent time going home, 20:48 more time looking in front of her 20:50 as to where she was driving or in the rearview mirror 20:53 to make sure I wasn't following her. 20:57 Oh, that's cute too. 21:01 I know because there was a guy who was following me 21:06 at one time so I was-- I didn't like that idea 21:10 that somebody is following me. 21:13 So you did know that he was him? 21:16 It wasn't him. Oh, it was not him. 21:19 So you had general personal stalker there for a while. 21:21 Yes, there was. Oh, my soul. 21:23 Okay, so now you want to make sure 21:24 that this guy is not, 21:25 not coming out of that same boat. 21:27 Right. 21:28 Where you intrigued by the church, 21:31 were you intrigued by Raquel what was brining you or both? 21:35 Both. Back to church. 21:37 Both. Absolutely both. 21:40 It was a feeling of belonging. 21:43 It was feeling of hearing answers to questions that had 21:47 entered my mind for years and I was never able to get 21:52 an acceptable answer too. 21:55 And yet everything seemed so clear cut 21:59 at the Adventist church. 22:02 The answers were there, you could find them 22:05 if you looked for them 22:08 and if you couldn't find them 22:09 there is only someone there to help you find. 22:10 Help you find, yeah. 22:12 Well, you are-- I mean, you are pharmacist kind of left brain 22:14 logical sequencing kind of guy. 22:16 So and lately this is making sense to you. 22:18 Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 22:19 And there is the of chance that you may pick up a partner, 22:24 that's kind of a good deal. 22:27 Especially knowing the partner. Yes. 22:31 And of course you got an ongoing relationship 22:32 because she is a caregiver for you. 22:34 Yes. Yes. 22:36 And became-- I was power of attorney 22:40 for my mother-in-law 22:42 who was living out in this area and I switched her 22:47 to her medical care to Raquel, 22:51 so we saw each other more often. 22:54 And I liked what I saw. Well, praise the Lord. 23:00 So obviously the relationship grew, 23:02 you pop the question and she said yes, 23:04 so we wouldn't be here today, we wouldn't have a show. 23:08 How long after you were married 23:10 did the idea of the lifestyle center 23:13 began to germinate in your mind? 23:17 Well, I have that in mind for a year or so 23:23 after I was diagnosed with cancer, 23:28 it was cervical cancer 23:30 and I got healed from it 23:36 in a natural way. 23:38 I was scheduled for surgery, radical mastectomy 23:43 and hysterectomy because that my doctor said 23:50 I have a stage three cancer. 23:54 And when-- 24:01 the surgery was December 26, 1995 24:05 that was scheduled and I thought for a while 24:11 before that and then I talked to an ob-gynecologist 24:15 who was a Filipino and I talked to her and said, 24:18 I told her about my problem and she said, oh, no, no, 24:22 you take these herbs, cloves, 24:27 wormwood and black walnut whole 24:30 and see, you know, what it does to you. 24:34 So I did it but I cancelled the surgery first 24:39 because I didn't really want to go through surgery. 24:42 So I took the three herbs for two or three months. 24:49 I think it was three months 24:51 I was taking it three times a day 24:53 and I changed my diet. 24:56 I used to eat chicken and stake and so I gave up all that 25:02 including cheese and I was using cabbage, carrots, 25:08 and celery like two or three times a day 25:12 and I felt better afterwards. 25:17 And then I went to a doctor an ob-gynecologist is to get 25:22 a second opinion and he tested me 25:30 and then he-- when he came out 25:32 and talked to me he said, who said you have cancer 25:37 and I said oh, my gynecologist and he said, 25:42 oh, you must be kidding. 25:44 It's like a babies skin. 25:48 So you don't have cancer. 25:51 So I felt, yeah, got better and of course the churches, 25:57 the Filipino American churches 25:59 in Berrien Springs was praying for me 26:01 and they were supplying my needs. 26:05 They will give me food and something to juice 26:09 and they were very helpful. 26:11 So and I told the news about it and said, wow, 26:15 I need to help other people who have the same problem. 26:20 So the lifestyle center was a good thought. 26:24 I heard of lot of lifestyle centers 26:27 but I haven't been in one 26:29 but I was ready studying the herbs at that time 26:32 because I started on three herbs the wormwood, 26:35 cloves and walnut whole thing. 26:39 So that's how I started it 26:41 and then I was in my office in the hospital 26:48 and there was a man who was not scheduled 26:50 for me to see and the staff ask me 26:53 if I want to see him and I said I don't know him 26:58 but anyway let him in. 27:01 So he came into my office and he said I understand 27:09 you're interested in lifestyle center 27:12 and I got a mansion here nearby and here's the key. 27:19 So he dropped the key in front of me on the desk 27:25 and cling and said, oh, 27:27 there is a key from heaven, is said. 27:31 And said, oh, you know, just use the building, 27:36 you don't have to pay me but pay me later 27:38 when you are ready making money. 27:41 So guy just walks in out of street 27:43 and just puts the keys to a mansion on your desk? 27:45 Right. That's a little unusual. 27:48 And we visited the mansion 27:53 Ray and me, our friends, 27:56 Steve Lemon and Debbie 27:59 and we went to look at the mansion. 28:01 Its so gorgeous inside, it has beds ready 28:06 and nice drapes and curtains and it has eight bedrooms. 28:12 It's a three storey building, eight bedrooms, 28:17 the second and third in it has a deck, 28:20 its beautiful deck out there and I said, 28:22 this makes a good lifestyle center. 28:27 So we had meetings there 28:29 and then after a month or so 28:35 we were just making plans, we have a couple 28:38 who really wanted to be there to stay there also 28:44 and then all of a sudden the owner came to us 28:49 and he said, well, I need to pay the rent. 28:53 I mean, I need to pay taxes 28:58 so if you can give us rent on this day 29:01 and its only $800 a month or so and Ray and me looked at him 29:08 and said well, we haven't been making money. 29:10 We don't-- we haven't started yet 29:13 and you said that, 29:14 you know, we give you money if we already making money. 29:20 He said, well, you know, the taxes are so high 29:23 I pay $1800 twice a month-- 29:29 twice a year 29:31 so and I don't have money. 29:34 So Ray and me look at each other 29:38 and said, well, 29:40 I don't think this is a right idea so, 29:43 so we said well, we will think about it. 29:48 And here comes a lady in our church and said, well, 29:53 you know, what do you have in your hands? 29:57 And then she said, she said, listen to me, 30:01 you have a farm house 30:04 that's not occupied of this date 30:08 so you know, can we convert that 30:10 and start small and we will help you clean up 30:16 and paint and this kind of things. 30:20 And Ray said, well, it's a good idea 30:22 but there is only one bathroom how can we do that? 30:27 And its easy, we can make a bathroom upstairs. 30:32 There is a wall in closet 30:33 that's big enough for a bathroom 30:40 and or a shower and toilet seat. 30:44 So you had a house, you had on a small farm 30:49 that you already owned and it was just 30:51 a matter of converting that into the lifestyle center? 30:55 Correct. And that's where you are now. 30:58 Yeah, and it's a beautiful house 31:00 and one, two, two levels, three levels. 31:04 Two levels. Two levels. 31:06 Two levels. 31:07 And you've got-- you are surrounded by orchids 31:10 and it's a nice, it's a nice piece of property. 31:13 It is beautiful. Yeah, it's a very nice. 31:14 There is the house, kind of sits up on little rise 31:17 and looks like the White House there. 31:20 And-- That picture there. 31:23 Yeah, that's the front of the house 31:25 and then you got orchids out back, 31:28 you've peaches, you've got... 31:31 Cherries. Cherries. 31:32 Apples. Apples. 31:34 Of two kinds. Yeah, two kinds. 31:37 Yeah. Yeah. 31:38 And a nice place to walk off the road. 31:41 So it's really, really, really, quite nice. 31:44 And-- sorry. 31:46 But Raquel she keeps herself in physical shape too 31:50 because she gardens a lot and all those pretty gardens 31:55 that you saw there she gets up in the morning, 32:00 the patients side doing the treatments and the light 32:05 or the bath and then she goes out there 32:08 and she is working harder. 32:11 That's my exercise. 32:12 Yes, she has that beautiful gardens 32:15 and that all done by her. 32:16 Yeah. 32:18 Now, here is my question because both of you 32:19 were working fulltime where you not when this idea 32:22 sort of popped up? 32:23 We were both working full time. 32:28 Ray, you are in charge of-- is there a number of pharmacies 32:31 you are like a district leader or a district-- 32:34 No, I'm just a pharmacist who goes from store to store 32:37 where they need somebody to fill in. 32:38 Oh, okay. Okay. 32:40 He used to be fulltime in one-- 32:42 Those days of leadership are over with years ago. 32:47 But where I'm going is that both of you 32:50 have to make some sacrifices 32:51 to kind of get this thing off the ground as far as 32:54 cutting back on fulltime work or adjusting your hours 32:56 to try to put sometime to lifestyle center. 32:59 Yes, and Raquel now is for all practical purposes retire 33:05 and devotes her fulltime to the lifestyle center. 33:08 Yeah. Yeah. 33:09 And let me just say at this point 33:11 and I would like say this 33:13 because I think this makes us different than other people, 33:16 other lifestyle centers also. 33:19 Neither Raquel nor I 33:22 our partner Steve or Debbie Lemon 33:26 have ever taken a penny out of this lifestyle center 33:29 for ourselves in terms of salary or anything else. 33:34 So its not only Raquel or not only me 33:38 that have given up themselves 33:40 but Steven and Debbie have also 33:43 and there have been a number, number of miracles 33:48 that have occurred there 33:51 and the glory does belong to God, 33:54 there is no doubt about it. 33:56 We have seen things that are just amazing. 33:58 So you see this sort of as a calling almost more than 34:02 anything else because you are not into it 34:05 for financial gain 34:06 and we're gonna talk a little bit later 34:08 you actually offer scholarships 34:09 and if somebody can't pay you treat them anyway 34:12 which I think is a blessing. 34:14 But from your working 34:17 and you're supporting yourselves 34:20 and the lifestyle center is really a ministry. 34:25 Do you see it as such? Yes. 34:27 Yes, we do see it as a ministry. 34:30 we've helped a lot of people guests on the phone, 34:34 phone calls because they cannot afford to come and they are far 34:41 like from Florida, from Canada, California they call me 34:46 and I don't charge anything the phone conversations 34:51 or phone consultations 34:54 and they also write me on Facebook. 35:00 Could you please tell me what I can do for this and that 35:04 and I write it, I write them back 35:07 and I don't charge anything for it. 35:11 Also I make some-- I write some articles on the Facebook 35:18 used to be weekly 35:19 but now its getting to be very-- 35:24 we are so busy that we cannot do the weekly 35:27 so we started on cutting back to twice a month. 35:31 Yeah. Yeah. 35:32 And Ray has become as if late a Facebook maven 35:35 putting the stuff up and responding all the stuff. 35:37 So he's got a whole new second career as it were. 35:40 As a typist also. 35:42 I like to say something about what you said about a calling 35:47 because it is very obvious when you out there, 35:52 you see there every day interaction 35:54 with the people that call in, 35:56 especially the people 35:57 that are having a health problem 36:01 and every time Raquel will immediately be 36:06 compassionate through the person 36:08 that has a problem 36:10 and so she would never turn anybody away. 36:15 Even when the people are in 36:17 basically in a state that you cannot, 36:21 that you know that you probably cannot help you still, 36:25 Raquel is to help them in someway 36:28 to make them more comfortable 36:31 and to trust the Lord that can do the miracle 36:35 and this is obvious all the time, 36:38 all the time with them and both. 36:42 So when we talk about mission in philosophy 36:44 and someone ask you the question okay, why? 36:46 You are both highly educated people, 36:50 pharmacists don't grow on trees, 36:52 you have to go to school and get that degree 36:53 and they don't give you that degree you got to earn it. 36:56 You are nurse practitioner that's an advance degree 36:59 and you are in professions and it sounds crash 37:03 that can generate a fairly decent income 37:06 and living both of you and together working fulltime 37:10 at your profession you can do well 37:12 but you almost quit your working 37:15 and you've cutback 37:16 so that you can do this ministry. 37:19 Answer for us the question why? 37:24 Well, because God cured me of my cancer 37:31 and Ray was also cured by so many blessings... 37:39 And natural remedies. 37:40 And natural remedies so we talked and said, 37:47 you know, we are-- even if we don't have income 37:53 we can still survive out of our social security income 37:57 so why don't we help other people. 38:00 So we dedicated ourselves to be 38:06 fulltime in our ministry 38:09 and that we can work, you know, a few hours there 38:11 and one day a week or one day a month that's what I do. 38:17 I work only one or two days a month at the hospital 38:22 and he works only when they call him. 38:25 Twenty to twenty five hours a week may be. 38:30 God restored us to health so we want other people to be 38:36 restored also in our Creators' image. 38:43 So that's why we titled our corporation Be Transformed. 38:51 And Raquel really worked very hard. 38:56 She works every minute during that day 39:00 and Ray is just the most wonderful husband I see 39:05 because he works to support her 39:09 in what she wants to do 39:12 and what this God has given you to do 39:14 and he is kind, 39:17 he is so patience and sometimes, 39:21 you know, I would them-- well, I was there I would feel bad 39:25 because he goes to work then he comes back 39:28 and then they are sleeping in this sofas 39:33 and they are happy. 39:34 You know, we are so happy to do so 39:37 and sometimes they don't have the full house 39:40 so they could use bedroom upstairs and they said no, 39:43 we need to be here so that's for the patients 39:47 and they just really very well match for each other 39:52 for what I see. 39:53 Well, obviously you both bought into the mission of 39:56 Be Transformed and you have dedicated your lives to it 40:01 but managing a lifestyle center is no joke, 40:05 this is work because you get up early, 40:08 you are preparing the drinks, you are preparing 40:10 and some of the stuff that we have to take 40:15 is not the best tasting stuff in the world. 40:17 You know, there are things that you have to do to regain health 40:21 and all of us not gonna be able to walking apart. 40:23 Your health is broken down, you got to do what's necessary 40:26 to get health back 40:28 and you are preparing these things, 40:29 you are making these things, 40:30 your food actually is very, very good tasting. 40:34 Some of those vegetable drinks are not are walking apart 40:38 but the food is very, very good and you are invested. 40:42 Tell us a little bit about the programs 40:45 or kinds of things you do. 40:46 Irma was there much longer than I popped upon a weekend 40:48 to kind of support her. 40:49 But walk us through what the programs are 40:51 and what happens at Be Transformed? 40:53 Okay, our programs are individualized 40:59 for our guest condition or health condition 41:03 but mostly we do the cleansing first, 41:08 cleaning with herbs. 41:11 So I use the three herbs that I used to take to get rid 41:17 of my cancer and that's what I use for cleansing 41:21 and I do that for seven days but during the cleansing 41:25 with herbs supposedly we will get rid of the parasites 41:32 which 99 percent of human beings 41:36 have parasites or if not 100 percent 41:40 and the unwanted bacteria and virus 41:44 they can be ridden off with herbs 41:49 and I added other herbs, other than the three. 41:52 So I use also papaya seeds, the bitter gourd, 41:59 bitter leaves I put them in capsules 42:03 so that its not that-- 42:05 you know, its hard to swallow bitter things so and I do those 42:13 in the mornings together with the lemon drink. 42:17 We grind up or put in Vitamix the whole lemon 42:24 including the rind and the seeds 42:26 so its bitter also and it will help with the, 42:32 you know, the cleansing and we do heavy metal cleansing 42:37 with the green drink also its made of cilantro, 42:43 broccoli, pineapple. 42:45 The pineapple helps to make the taste better 42:51 and after that we give 42:55 vegan lunch and light supper. 43:00 We give enough protein because we need protein 43:03 during the cleansing or the detox. 43:06 We cannot detox without protein. 43:10 So we don't do the old fashioned fast 43:14 like just water fast or none at all but we don't, 43:19 we don't do those anymore. 43:21 We just give the regular meal and the juices and they help 43:28 one another in detoxifying the liver. 43:31 Now I got to move you around a little bit 43:33 because I don't want our time to get away. 43:35 What's interesting everybody gets a detox 43:38 because everybody who comes and needs to be detoxed. 43:40 Right. 43:42 I think the detox maybe the most challenging portion 43:45 of the treatment. 43:47 Having said that you drop weight like a stone. 43:50 I mean, you won't think about detoxing 43:54 you want to lose weight, 43:56 you lose 10 pounds in a couple of days 43:59 because everything is coming out, you know. 44:02 Your best friend actually the bathroom for the few, 44:05 first few days and then you are ready 44:08 to build back up because you clean out all the junk 44:10 and your body is ready now for restoration. 44:14 Yes, and we rebuild and replenish. 44:18 Yes. And so-- 44:21 Exercise is very good when you be there. 44:23 And most importantly we have that light infrared box 44:29 and when you sit in that box-- I have the picture of the light 44:34 that's the infrared box 44:36 it will help with the detox process. 44:39 The box was invented by Dr. Caleb 44:42 and what we have is the replica of it 44:46 and used to be famous around the world 44:50 but now it has-- we don't hear of it anymore 44:54 but we have it. 44:56 And but it works very good 44:57 and one thing you do sweat out toxins 45:01 and then you come out of there and you lie a person down 45:04 and you do the-- is it a fermentation, 45:07 that is called fermentation and that's something. 45:11 That's an impressive little regime. 45:13 But that's after the bath. That's after the bath. 45:15 That's really-- that is a cold bath after that. 45:19 After that. 45:21 After the shower I do the hot and cold fermentations. 45:24 We have big hydrocollator with hot pads that last 45:30 more than an hour at a time. 45:33 So we can put that on the bed 45:36 and then the guest lay down on it 45:39 and then put some hot packs also on the chest or the neck 45:46 or wherever there is some inflammation we apply that. 45:51 People who have knee problem we put the hot pad also 45:54 and then we alternate it with ice cold packs 45:59 and we get good results from that. 46:03 Talk us a little bit about results 46:05 because this is a fairly rigorous routine, 46:08 I've gone through it, Irma's gone through it. 46:11 But you've had success, you had miracles, 46:13 you had success with these natural remedies, have you not? 46:18 Yes. 46:21 I will tell some of the miracles that we have had, 46:26 a 95 year old lady she wanted to get well 46:33 because she didn't want to go to the hospital. 46:36 She was brought to the hospital but she run away 46:42 when AMA or against medical advice 46:46 and went through the center 46:48 and I did the cleansing for her. 46:52 I did juicing, chains of diet, 46:57 the hospital they diagnosed her 47:01 with CHF or congestive heart failure. 47:06 Her legs were swollen, she was coughing 47:09 and after one week her blood pressure went down, 47:16 her edema of her legs went down also 47:21 and she even got mad at me because her blood pressure 47:24 after a week went from 250/120 47:32 and it went down to 125/80. 47:38 And she said, my doctor told me my blood pressure should be 150 47:44 you have to bring it back. 47:46 I said, no, that's even better than what your doctor told. 47:50 And she said she was feeling better 47:52 and she is now about 98-years-old, 47:56 I saw her at ASI in Grand Rapids 48:00 she was walking by herself. 48:02 Praise the Lord. 48:04 So and her daughter called me two weeks ago 48:10 she wanted her mother to come back 48:13 because she is fatigue 48:17 and she is also feeling short of breath 48:20 and so she will be back, you know, 48:24 for another rigorous treatment. 48:28 Praise the Lord. 48:29 Do you have any others before our time gets away? 48:31 Oh, we have 47-year-old gentleman 48:37 suffering of depression. 48:40 He works in a university and he also had other problems 48:45 like diabetes, lower back pain, kidney stones, 48:50 gallbladder stones. 48:52 He stayed and his wife with us for one week, 48:58 no ten days and he got better. 49:03 His depression was gone, lower back pain is gone 49:08 but then when he was going out 49:11 he felt that his kidney stones was coming another one 49:15 and so I told him what to do at home 49:19 and two months later I saw him in a concert 49:24 he was nice and trim and he was very active 49:29 and his wife told me we really live a new life now 49:35 so thank you very much for what you did to us. 49:38 Praise the Lord. 49:39 And there is another lady 49:44 with leukemia and the lymphoma. 49:48 She has the cancer for about five years already. 49:53 She didn't want to go through chemo and went with us 49:57 and her white blood cells is steadily going up 50:04 and after ten days with us it gradually went down. 50:09 So it reversed the trend and she said, 50:11 I thought what I was doing at home was enough 50:14 but when I went to your center 50:15 I found out that it's not sufficient. 50:18 So I'm so glad that I came. 50:22 And she is the one who was who really thought 50:26 that she was doing the right thing at home 50:29 and she found out that, 50:31 you know, she is doing very little of herself. 50:33 She was doing juicing and you say 50:35 while we were there go to center 50:37 you do juicing I do that at home. 50:39 So basically this works and you got test cases 50:44 and we say miracles stories but basically its just 50:47 applying the laws of health 50:50 so that when you, 50:51 when you apply the laws of health things happen, 50:54 positive things happens. 50:56 We can call them miracles but they really are the laws 50:58 that God has put in us and in the world 51:02 to make people healthy and you do that. 51:06 We want to take this moment now to go to an-- the address roll. 51:09 Here is how you can make contact 51:11 with "Be Transformed Lifestyle Center." 51:14 They can evaluate you. 51:15 You do testing before and then you do testing after 51:18 so you can show 51:20 that improvement has taken place. 51:22 And should you want to make contact with Ray and Raquel 51:24 and we highly suggest that you do. 51:26 Here's how you can do precisely that. 51:31 If you would like more information about the services 51:34 offered by the Be Transformed Lifestyle Center 51:36 you can write to 1500, Friday Road, 51:40 Coloma, Michigan 49038. 51:43 That's Be Transformed Lifestyle Center, 1500, Friday Road, 51:48 Coloma, Michigan 49038. 51:52 You can also call 269-470-1797 51:58 that's 269-470-1797 52:02 or go online for program details, 52:04 facility information and more 52:06 at betransformedcenter.com that's betransformedcenter.com. |
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